Ride Tested | Mosko Moto Reckless 80 (& comparison to Backcountry Panniers)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Today we take a look at the Reckless 80 luggage system from Mosko Moto and compare it to their more traditional Backcountry panniers. #moskomoto #motorcycle #advrider #dualsport
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I have the Reckless 80 for my Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. It is indeed very "strappy." There is a learning curve. In the first few trips, you will never pack it the same way twice, and when you ride off, you will habitually stop a short distance away to reassure yourself that you did, indeed, secure every one of those straps. However, you will soon figure out the best way to pack for you and your stuff, you'll develop a routine for tightening and securing the straps, and you will realize that it's not designed to be convenient, it's designed to be secure. For stuff you need convenient access to, get a tank bag. When you pack the Reckless, you don't touch it again until you get to your next campsite. Mounted and packed correctly, all that textile and plastic becomes part of the bike. Crank in the preload to deal with the added weight, and the bike handles beautifully. No flapping or movement. I put my "house" (tent, rain fly, sleeping bag, sleeping pad) in the top bag, my "kitchen" in the left bag, my clothing/toiletries in the right bag, and miscellaneous tools and accessories in the two aux pox slung below the main bags. Under the beavertail, but outside the top bag, I secure my camp chair and tent poles (pole bag included with the set). Arrive at camp, empty the top bag to set up the tent and sleeping arrangements. Stow the side bags under the rain fly until you need to get something out of them, remove the harness and place it inside the tent. Now you have a "clean" bike and that top bag can become either a backpack or a tailbag (with the help of two rok straps to secure it to the rear rack), which you can use to bring back groceries (even ice!) from the nearest store. I've ridden with them in hours of driving rain with no leakage. Mosko even includes a dry bag so you can keep your sleeping gear dry inside the top bag when you have to pack a wet rain fly. it's incredibly versatile, tough as nails, lighter than a rack-mounted system, and cheaper to buy. Highly recommended.
Where did you strap your side straps? I literally just put my reckless 80 on my tiger 850 sport and secured it to the frame. But I’ve been some guys secure it to the passenger pegs.
I came to this video looking how to pack the reckless 80. It did not deliver, but your comment nailed it. I thank you very much!
@@LtAldoRain629 I've tried a couple of different places. Most recently, I actually lowered the angle of the side holsters (from 3 to 2, as marked on the yoke) to put the straps more in line with the passenger footpeg brackets. This puts the side holsters a bit closer to vertical, which makes loading the bags easier. Before, I'd lash them to the vertical sections of the subframe or the main frame, but this had the bags going in almost horizontally, and had the straps a bit too close to hot parts of the engine (on the main frame) or pulling the bags inward toward the subframe, which warps the inside of the holster a bit, making it that much more difficult to slide the loaded dry bags in.
The price in Germany has gone up from €550 to €900 in 18 months....I know there's been inflation, but not 50%
550 to 900 is actually 63% up! That's ridiculous. It's a ripoff, not a "good value" at this point, especially when alternatives are almost as good while costing a fraction of what Mosko does.
Mosko is ridiculously overpriced. I’ve been able to get great 3x18l rackless system for not more than €300
I don't think that's true. I bought my R80 in Feb 21 and even then they cost ~ 670€ with Aux Poxes and tax. Maybe you compare the price from then without tax to the price now with tax? So it's more like 35%
But yeah I know, still a lot of money. But I'm sure Mosko stuff will last for decades and it pays off.
@@rixxone You're right - it was 550 without tax - €601 with tax and that was in August 21 - also full kit with Aux Pox. So 600 to 900 is a 50% price increase
Agreed. @@MaRmAn1337
mosko verry expencive for what it is
The one big reason I go with the Backcountry is the ease of removing the panniers. As an old half crippled guy, I find lifting the bike very difficult in many situations. Being able to remove the panniers while the bike is down a great advantage.
buy tusk half the price same quality and in our experience better in many ways we have been traveling the world and they are holding up well
They cost as much that I paid for my bike... 🤣🤣🤣
Weighs as much too
@@Onimun - hmm, I don't think they weight as much as 180 kg... 😂
Totally agree with you. This company don”t have future. It is ridiculously expensive.
I have both as well. Tha main reason i got the Reckless 80 was the ability to use it on diffrent bikes when i travel (they also pack flat in a suitcase but the need to be disassembled). Regarding handling what i found is that the main advantage is that as they are placed diagonaly towards the center of mass of the bike, they exert less sag (because of leverage) on teh rear susspension. Finally more space is a trap. The more space and bags you have the more stuff you actually don't need take, having less space makes you be much more economical with bike weight.
Ian you should do a comparison between the Mosco and the Tusk Highlander 2.
I've enjoyed being able to have my Reckless 80 on multiple bikes. I will agree it's not ideal when it comes to getting in and out of them or taking them off, but when you know you're going to go through different bikes often, as some of us do, it can save money. I don't look forward to carrying it to the hotel room, but at least I can fit them on different bikes. Plus, I do like the smaller size. I also feel that it helps you size down on what you bring with you. Great video, Ian. My wife who also watching your videos with me, hopes you are your family are doing well.
I have the Vario hard lockable luggage, and the Mosko Reckless 80ltr, these two are expensive but worth it and used for different styles of riding, for budget I would highly recommend Lomo, these are cheap but are absolutely superb for using offroad, I have many different rollbags and duffels from Lomo, also I have the large motorcycle panniers from them, they are 100% waterproof tried and tested on both the bike and on the kayak, and I have done thousands of miles now with my 40ltr Lomo rollbag and the 60ltr duffel. Lomo definitely worth a look at for the price.
They are very expensive to buy if you are in Australia. I made my own rackless bags but welded a lightweight steel frame/rack so that I can strap the bags so that they don't bounce off the side of the bike and ruin the sidecovers plus you don't need shields on the muffler. YOu could buy the True NOrth side frame/rack and you have the lightest possible system plus you can easily attach the rear straps to the rack.
Nice luggage but your bike is AWESOME! Where did you get that custom graphics set? No way, is that a Rubberdust set, it is so badass. Do you have anything in your videos about it, I have not seen anything yet, did you apply them yourself? Is that the acid yellow color? Heads up, I've been a sub for a long time and just noticed that YT had switched the bell to never receive notices. You might tell your subs to check their bell status.
Nice review, i have to consider adding Mosko Moto Reckless and Backcountry panniers to the list of soft luggage options.
Of course you put this out the day after my Reckless 80 arrived. Lol.
Really is a great setup.
They are extremely well made and thought out. Unfortunately they are so well made they are up to 3x heavier than my lightweight bags and that kind of defeats the purpose of rackless luggage. Also very expensive
All the one you see on UA-cam are gifted to tubers so they can rave over them.
I do have a friend who loves his though. On a 300kg GSA!
I have both! I find myself using the back country way more often. One important detail is if you set up camp and then want to go ride somewhere for dinner or wherever the Reckless system is floppy on the back of the bike without being full of gear.
My other complaint with the Reckless is it is super difficult to pack in my opinion. I am always struggling to shove things in it and that is not the case with the back country.
I stopped using mine due to the difficulty of packing too.
I have it on my T700. Mosko gear is top notch (and expensive). One problem is that when any grey sack is full it becomes very hard to insert it back in the black part attached on the bike. So you have to get your stuff out, insert the near empty bag and load it again. Good to teach you to travel light but annoying.
Second problem is when you have to unload the whole bike so to sleep in an hotel or a similar situation. Even if you leave the two small bags on the bike (then anybody can easily steal the inside if the motorbike is not in a safe spot) you need to walk carrying three bags, your helmet, gloves, jacket etc. Then, stairs and small elevators become a challenge. So not much fun either. Therefore is best to have a safe parking and reshuffle thing in a single bag to carry with you. However while doing so it might be raining or be pitch dark.. 😅. I wonder if giant loop gives similar issues.
Price is, tragically, prohibitive. 😢
then you will hate me lol I managed to get the 80ltr for less than £400 in a sale from a Europe store
My go to is a Givi top case - never leaves the bike. MM soft side cases. Wolfman small duffel for camping gear - tent, bag, pad and cooking gear. This is a setup up for multiple day or multi week trips. If I go into a motel for a night, I don't want to be spending 20 minutes unpacking.
I have a Tuareg also. Mosko is good stuff, and to many it is worth the price. That and the weight makes this system a no go for me.
I've been watching this channel for a while and just subscribed; the content keeps getting better. Good job!
Awesome, thank you!
if i use one of your links, but then buy the duffle instead of the reckless, are you still supported?
Yes thanks!
It's like you read my mind. I was just contemplating a reckless 40 for my 390 (and eventually T7 or 890) to replace my dryspec's
I bought the Reckless 40 and added the Stinger 22. That was significantly cheaper and is completely sufficient in terms of capacity for my needs. I added the whole thing with the tank bag from Moskomoto (Nomax). I would do it again at any time and do without a metal case. I also had a replacement motorcycle because mine was at customer service and could easily switch the system to this without having any problems.
Was thinking of going with this exact set up. 56l of space seems sufficient! Especially since I can strap extra stuff to the hour side or under the beaver tail if needed
Hi! Have you ever tried the Viking Bags? As I understand you’re not sponsored by any of them, can you please compare the mosko moto rackless 80 with the viking bags odissey 80? Nobody has done it yet and it would be very useful to see if there’s any real difference in materials, endurance etc
Hi Ian, Love your honesty about products and content, cant wait to see more tips and trips form you, ty
I have a Reckless 10 on my Kawasaki Versys and I like it so far.
Dude has great content but his interpersonal vibe is so serious - find myself wanting to see a grin or two now and again. Either way the depth of the reviews is sick, wish him continued success!
Hello Ian, great review and thanks for the comparaison with the panniers, i didn't think the panniers could have this much more capacity! I have a very Tuareg-specific question, how did the reckless 80 fit on there with the exhaust ? is the provided heatshield enough protection for the luggage ? I ask because i already burned a backseat bag on the exhaust because of how high it sits
It seems to be nice, I have a few questions btw:
1) is it overpriced? In Portugal, it’s about more than 800. Regular set of three cases are about almost the same value…
2) Is still possible ride with back- passenger?
3) Did someone chose the regular case instead of this one’s, why?regardless the video answer and comments.
Thanks for the answers
Great video, would you consider doing an updated review with the new 4.0v Reckless 80L system of 2024 and the 2.5 V Backcountry Panniers in terms of comparison? Would you also be down to make their own in depth videos one day? Nice bike btw me encanta los colores, the yellow seat with the black mesh adds the illusion of a gradient on the side that really goes well with the graphics on the motorcycle bringing everything together
You can’t go wrong either way. Quality is top notch, you can tell they’re riders that design this stuff. I’ve been using the Reckless 80 and when I get to hotel or campsite I just pull out the dry bags and take them inside. Crash-proof too. The only downside is they rob some rear seat space if you ride 2 up. I keep mine forward on the rack/seat tail for weight distribution.
Is it easy to carry the whole setup into a hotel, including the harness? I’m traveling from city to city and I’m going to leave my bike outside in some places. Don’t want to risk losing the harness and be stuck with bags I can’t carry.
I suppose tha Revolver name's given because of tubes fixing like ammo in the bag (drum)
Thanks for the honest review. They look great and it looks like they pack a ton of stuff. Keep the videos coming.
that purple spring on the 890 😮
Great Review!
I moved from side panniers to the Mosko Moto Reckless 80 on my DR650 and absolutely love them.
I have the dr650 rse and i consider one of those 2 options, is it still possible to have a passenger in the bag relatively comfortable with the reckless 80?
@@mauruseisenring6203 you may get away with it if adjust the angle at which the saddle bags are fixed, it is adjustable so if you have them angled straight down it may allow for leg room for your pillion.
Will you be installing reckless 80 on your Transalp?
Mm make nice gear, but it is so heavy....
What I don't like about these types of bags (not only Mosko Moto) is the folding for keeping contents dry. That's a lot of material, makes access to contents difficult, and looks funky. I have an old great basin Giant Loop (from before Mosko Moto) that is simple, light, and does the job. Combine that with a Nelson Rigg top bag (with a rain cover) or similar and all is good.
Any one used the Rhinowalk side bags ? Very similar kit but way cheaper!
Its cheaper because its cheaper. I still cant really get mine to fit my gs310. Their photo illustrations actually show their packs on bikes with pannier racks. Good I guess for the price-cheap, for other bikes..for light use ..etc.
I have the Reckless 80 and I find it frustrating to pack. The holsters limit how much you can pack into the left and right bags. You can’t actually fill them to their rated capacity or they won’t fit in the holsters. The rubberized waterproof bags stick rather than slide when trying to get them into the holsters so I find it’s best to slide the bags into the holsters empty and then fill them or they won’t slide in at all. The bags for the aux pox have the same issue. I don’t even use the included bags in these pockets. My tool roll goes in the right in it’s own textile bag and my plastic camp shoes go in the other. I love the beaver tail and stinger top bag though. As someone else said the top bag is where I put my shelter/sleep system and the chair fits under the beaver tail too. I can even easily stow my jacket under the beaver tail if it’s too warm to wear it. I find the MOSKO MOTO gear is generally over built and of great quality. I have their Basilisk and ectotherm jackets which I love but just bought the Kriega OS soft panniers and OS40 rack bag with Sw Motech racks for my Tiger Rally Pro. I think the Reckless is going up for sale.
Can you have a passenger with the rack less panniers ?
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Great video ! Thank you!
Great video Ian! How do you find having a slightly wider right side (with the 35L pannier) vs an offset (35/25L) setup? Have you experienced any issues with that? Greetings from New Zealand!
Great Video, I have the BC 35s and just ordered the Reckless 80. Mosko Moto is definitely some top notch gear I have broken a few plastic buckles but they are easy to replace and saves the straps. I enjoy your content keep up the good work.
Ian, great video again. However i still can’t decide which to buy. I have a Husqvarna Norden Expedition. Would you be able to advise how it would sit over the rear panels and hand rails? Width is one of the important considerations for me. Weight distribution next. However the convenience of the outback is attractive. I am looking at the V4 of the R80
I've been considering getting these for my Honda 2015 CB500F. This set is expensive, but I also wouldn't have to buy anything else for it and I could put it on any bike I might upgrade to later on.
I've looked everywhere for mid ranged priced pannier racks, but there aren't many out there that guarantees fitment. The ones for the CB500X also aren't a guaranteed fit, and I don't know who to ask if they would. So I'm limited on options.
All of that being said are there any other saddlebag recommendations you can give me?
My absolute favorite luggage system. Owned v1 and v2. Ran these on my KTM’s, H2SX, and others. Super flexible.
I will be the nay-sayer. I had a V2 on a 690 for one trip. I couldn't keep it from getting hit by the swingarm. Straps also were getting abraded. Refilling the tank was a pain, even with the access hole. Small compartmentalized luggage makes it more difficult to pack. Destroyed the plastics. The actual quality of the bags was good. I'm generally happier with soft panniers with racks and a top duffle. With panniers and racks, I can choose to just run the panniers without the top bag, or just run the top bag depending on what my goal is for the trip.
Hello big rock
What kind of system would you recommend me as owner of Ktm 390 adventure ?
Love the content. Very informative. Side question is where do you get your seat covers. I have seen them on multiple bikes of yours. Please help me out. I have a KTM 790 adventure S
The Reckless 80 I find is perfect for the extended trips, durable, intuitively designed, and outright fun to use. Exceptional company!
I know you've done a review of the comparable tusk offering. But I would like to see a back to back comparison. Some examples of why mosko is better. I don't have experience with either of them so it would be helpful. A kind of " whatever you can do I can do better" comparison.
I may have missed it but any bag that is strapped to your bike may rub/scratch the painted areas, fairings, etc. I have a tank bag and, when I went off-road, enough dust/dirt got between the bag and my GS tank and, now, my white tank has permanent brown marks all over it.
Feel ya on the seat cover & heat but that sucker looks like Scott Glenn's shirt in Urban Cowboy. Digging the graphics!
Thanks for the detailed overview! Just installed these on my ktm 890 today and wondered how the side dry bags worked! Hate to admit that. lol. You showed the dry bag actually attached to the other strap, not to itself. Makes sense now!!! Thank you!
Ahhh yeah!
Got to pick a size out for the new adv bike.
Definitely going with Mosko.
Appreciate your time and effort Ian.
Now, to go jump on the Norden…🏍️💨
I got a new Tiger 900, went with both 35L
@@kee7678 well done! With the luggage and the bike! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Enjoy! 🏍️💨
@@lukefish7562 Thanks man!!
What sleeping bag do you use ?
Hi Ian, really like your content; thank you. I’ve noticed the same seat cover on several of your bikes. What is is?
It'd be a tie between a Mosko system and a Giantloop system for me if I had the budget. It'd be interesting to see you do a video with Rich Larsen (IRC Tire Guy). I know you've been training different riding styles and he does a lot of enduro training videos.
I've been considering getting this for the very rare weekend getaways I do on my Monster and so I can move it to the next sport or naked bike I get. What's keeping me from buying it is that I already own the Fly Racing saddle bags and tail bag so I could just use one of their duffles to get more space when I really need it and not spend $900. Being able to take the bags out of the holsters is such a nice feature that makes them better than other rackless luggage systems like mine since you don't have to take the whole set up off and then put it back on. It was a pain taking my stuff off on my last trip.
I'm considering buying this for a trip to Yosemite I'm doing in September, but that's a lot of straight highway miles that I would rather do in a car. However, I'd rather do the twisties on my motorcycle.
Have you considered putting a bike rack from 2x2 cycles on any of your motorcycles? I've seen those bikes in the back, I know you ride too. I think the Reckless 80 may be compatible with 2x2 Cycles racks since they occupy different hardpoints. Jeff Kendall-Weed did a bike camping video with an 890 Adventure and he packed an MTB on the back. Pretty great video and there aren't enough videos of people doing rides like this.
Thanks for the video, but you didn't show us, how to mount those bags on the bike, and I'm not sure it's easy at all. Of course, it would be different from a bike to another one, but just to have an idea.
Excellent as always but I believe one point in favor of a rackless system was left out. A rackless system whether Giant loop, Tusk or Moskomoto is excellent crash protection for the bike whereas a rack system, especially with hard panniers, is one more thing to break in a crash. Plus all of the rackless systems have really good grab straps to help lift the bike if you need to.
Also a backpack for yourself?
sadly no one talks about kriega's OS range, i think is ligther and easier to live with, but limited to some bikes only :/
I have been looking at options for my new Tenere700 and I think I’ll be going with the OS 👍🏻
merci
55 seconds in and I noticed that Ian really took the time to set up the frame of the main shot so well. Organized all the gear and stuff behind him to match with the color scheme of the bike and coordinated it with his jersey. Subtle but, it takes the production quality up a notch. Well done sir.
mostly an accident, but thank you!
@@BigRockMoto haha. Awesome. Still giving you full credit though 😁 always love your videos Ian.
Most important. Pack a bankroll these days.
Thanks for the review. Very insightful
Damn...the Taureg is looking sharp!!👍
Was looking for something for my T7. Thanks for the review.
Is it possible to use it with passanger?
yes
Great review and comparison between rackless and panniers.
That clock on the wall reveals a lot. Hahaha. Nice review.
Hey Ian, have you tried installing or can you show a video of the Reckless bags on your 890 with the Wings exhaust? Would the Wings heat shield be sufficient to protect the bags? I also have an 890 with the same muffler and wondering how they will fit. I also like the setup you have with the pannier racks, what racks are those and how do they fit the 890?
the 890 has the side fairings and grab handles that push the bag out, but I'd still use an extra shield on the exhaust. i have the outback motortek racks, love them
Always great videos.. keep up the great job!!!!
Good review as allways
Thank you! 😊
Do you carry a tool kit in the reckless ?
What about space for exhaust?
Just what I was looking for
No passenger, no thanks.
Ian; are you able to have a passenger with this set up or would you have to move the bags further back? Is so; would you be able to move it further back (do you have the room) in the Tuareg? thank you!
these setups don't work with passengers, I can't believe I forgot to mention that
@@BigRockMoto it works with passenger (women) without problems if you put the bags at the End of your rear rack. she has quite good room behind me.
Nice review! I have a wide array of Mosko luggage, both rackless and racked, and I can attest to the quality. Yes, it's a bit expensive, but worth it in my opinion.
One thing about this channel. They never go for reasonably priced gear in their reviews. Bless him. He’s making some coin.
Not true. Ian has reviewed and speaks highly of Tusk and Nelson Rigg. Look at his video selection for them.
That's BS Wiley. He reviews things that are popular and that people want to see. ....heck you even watched the video and clearly you have no interest in mosko? You can always keep your negatively to yourself. Your comment didnt add anything of value to anybody.
he's got a MSR explorer set review on his channel. He does cover the more budget friendly stuff out there if you bother to look.
Love having the option & availability of a *premium* rackless luggage option. More choices are a luxury in life. Thanks for the overview Ian.
"Rich guy" product. Absurd prices. Tusk is likely just as good.
Can these be mounted further back to be pillion friendly? 😊
do you have a collab with quadlock? you should
Great reviews Ian. After several month-long trips now with rack-mounted panniers, I'm a firm believer in keeping everything inside the width of the handle bars. I have also found that I usually pack more than I need. For these 2 reasons, I'm ditching the panniers and going rackless. Thanks again from Bolivia and looking forward to your next video.