Great job on the overview. I've watched a couple of overviews/reviews and a lot of the mechanics were skipped over. Yours is the first to explain how the new mechanics work and what to expect in detail. Thank you.
If you can find the time I really recommend it. I never got into L4D, but the presentation and feel for Vermintide is really great. Plus mowing down hordes of rats is a good way to blow off steam after work
Played it last night with friends and it's not super long to go through a full round from beginning to the end. The more you advance, the stronger you are. It's really worth it! The last round is something! :D
@@kompatybilijny9348 It depends how long you're there and I mean it's definitely risky, but Astartes chapters have made penitent crusades into the eye of terror before in 40k. I imagine exploring the chaos realm would be very similar in fantasy. Dangerous, extremely dangerous, but technically can be done.
@@goshfather9024 just did a veteran run last night with a couple friends of varying levels (1) (9) (32) and it took us just a little over 3/4 of an hour. The rewards you get if you complete the trials in the run are pretty nice.
so imagine they implement something like this into Darktide too. Fatshark might leave us with a few bugs, but they know their stuff. Maybe they could redesign the weaves? :D
@@jeagerjeager9171 It was too soon to put it out there according to FS because they had just started working on it and didn't realize how much needed improvement or addition.
The upgrade towers can be either random weapons or current gear. It costs double to upgrade current gear. Also random orange and red weapons have a chance to get a unique trait to this mode that can be very strong, cannot get these through upgrading your gear (you get a regular trait instead). So take a risk, be forced to learn those weird weapons like hagbane that you never use, and potentially be rewarded.
it looks ok, but I'm really worried about how this is going to perform with matchmaking; I don't have any friends that play the game, so I am reliant on matchmaking, but there are a LOT of new players right now who think they can handle higher difficulties at like level 3, and end up dragging down the whole team. losing a single map because of lacklustre teammates is something I can grudgingly accept, but if I lose a whole campaign because of it, then I'm gonna be mad
@@queuebe4068 you cant change illusions and neither weave gear is playable base game or vice versa, it just splits up the loot system to make it grindier which is whack
Roughly how long would it take to finish a campaign on average? Is each stage on that map the same length as a vanilla level? Because if I'm looking at upwards of 2-3 hours to finish a run, I can't see myself getting much out of this.
People always talk about longevity of the game as if it hasn't maintained a decent player pop since release. V2 will live atleast until its successor comes out because it is an incredible game with very little in the ways of competition or even comparison.
You get regular chests as part of the reward, I think you can get up to 4 emperor chests on legend difficulty. Plus there's the shop Zerk mentions which was locked in his build of the DLC.
@@05insomnium I'd imagine the You-Beat-The-Citadel shop will be the main motivation for playing Wastes, especially if you get coins depending on how many times you beat it. I just hope to Sigmar that the shit in the shop is good enough to warrant the investment.
Gunna have to give this a try. Im a casual player and i just play campaign maps plus the dlc for that but haven't tried this or weaves since they both released.
Wait, the coins are completely shared? Oh boy, I can't wait to have a Shade Kerillian who spends every coin on herself while the rest of the team is still on gray weapons in every match
as a fan of rogue-likes I love this concept. The OP builds you could do and have fun with are endless. 10% ability cdr on ally ability use?Like being on constant ability pot? W00t w00t. I don't need to get to the end every time, this is tons of content for cheap!
Are you able to reroll traits on orange/red gear or find shrines with different traits to apply to weapons? Their are quite alot of less useful traits, be nice to modify them depending on the level. Or does everything remain random
You know I'm waiting more for Darktide, because I like 40k more then fantasy, but this looks pretty nice. And if I can mobilize my friends to play Vermintide 2 again. I will buy the DLC just for that Trollhammer Torpedo ^^, ok also a bit for the Bow and the Staff.
The fact it's completely separate from normal play seems double-edged to me. On one hand, newer players don't have to worry about min-maxing gear through all the grind and dice-rolls, making it more accessible to more people. On the other, there doesn't seem to be a lot of incentive or reward for people who have been playing the game all this time, which is a strange decision in it self for the sake of longevity.
+ weaves was completely separate too amd look how that turned out. i dont know why they insist on creating parallel gamemodes with separate gear sets instead of ever improving on the main game people play 99''% of the time. Still this looks more interesting than weaves and kind of like what it should've been originally im cautiously optimistic.
@@Mayhzon I'm with you. Last game of theirs I'll ever buy to be honest. They are just too dumb to keep them entertaining. Constant poor decisions. Not sure why this is such a consistent theme in online games. I'm constantly baffled that these dev teams make such consistently poor decisons over and over again.
Hmm, i don´t know about this. Another game mode to potentially fracture the player base, with at least part of your progress being irrelevenant in regards to weapons, maybe all of your equipment and talents. My excitement dropped quite a bit tbh. While we are honest: the people who are like, "haven´t played in ages but i´ll give it a try" aren´t going to stick around.
This was actually quite a bit of fun. It didn't fix any collision, hit detection, or weapon/class balancing, but it did add a ton of stuff that negated all that.
Gadamit... so this is more content that all the legendries I've customized for builds are completely useless? A lot of these mechanics don't seem very pug friendly at all :/
Lol @ Samwise burn. Honestly I think they were pretty smart to create something so variable and replayable, attracting new and ex players alike without having to sink a ton of time and money into new assets, hopefully it will profit enough for them to keep the game going, I bought my weapons pack and am very happy with that too. It is very accessible to new players as long as they take the time to learn the game properly. I say that coz you can just jump in with any character and level them up quickly without having to worry about gear all you lose is a few talent points the lower you are. I am really satisfied personally and would have given it 5 stars for a free expansion if not for the sad fact that I really like playing and experimenting solo as much as with a friend and the game is too broken with 3 bots. There is a vast amount of new ways you can be cheesed since there are so many variables on the maps and I even found an "unfinished" corner of a map where upon walking in there you simply drop dead, without even going down. A big no no when playing with 3 bots, your run immediately ends. This was on the second last map too. They punish you too much for playing solo, I think there should be a code in the game that when playing solo simply respawns you relatively near the bots and gives them at least a chance to get you up, there are just too many ways to instantly die with no second chances in solo where even with 2 players you already have infinitely more chances to not lose a run to a random cheesing off a cliff. Had an assassin rat pin me through a cliff into instant death too despite only downward momentum and still being 6 feet from the edge. T.L.D.R. Brilliant expansion, especially for a free one. Too broken if playing solo.
I just really feel like with a few tweaks they could have made it better by just changing up the enemies. Giving them nurgel rot or make them look beautuful for slanesh or all mangled for khorne stil im having fun with it and its free
I can only imagine it's going to be border-line impossible with randoms. The rewards had better be worth something, otherwise I might as well shelf Vermintide entirely until Darktide comes out.
1 of the things I didn't like about Winds of Magic was how your efforts there DIDN'T effect your character in the normal game. Its interesting that Fatshark has compartmentalized portions of the DLC's but it would be nice if your efforts in CW and WOM translate to stuff in the normal game and vice versa. For the most part all they need to do to keep me playing is just keep making new maps. new locations and new places to explore. I'm simple that way.
I think this is kind of the problem with the playerbase. The devs are only listening to the long term hardcores, because they are the ones still playing everyday and paying for DLC. So they give them much more things to grind and unlock in game. But starting at level 1 feels terrible. New players just leave the game and don't come back. So the problem compounds itself.
@@cattysplat What do you mean by "starting at level 1 feels terrible. New players just leave the game and don't come back"? It's a cooperative multiplayer game. Why would being a lower level than someone have any effect on their game?
TBH daemons could have possibly been cut due to time constraints and most of the studio working on finishing darktide, but then again i dont know enough about the dlc to know if it fits the theme or not.
@@thelemoneater FS was already working on darktide befor they even released winds of magic, they just have a lot of difficulties of planning ahead and keeping deadlines...
@@allanredhill8682 Yea their project management is particularly bad, but at the same time most videogame studios are just the same on a bigger scale. It would make you think that perhaps mismanaged projects aren't as simple as they look on paper to us consumers, when every games studio on the planet seems to mismanage. On that note, look at any successful games production and there's a good chance it was a living hell for the artists, coders etc to work on. If it is the rare case where the artists aren't being worked to death, for example at Respawn Entertainment, working on Apex Legends, which caused a controversy shortly after release because they had a weak battle pass, that didn't match up to fortnite or the rest of the competition. This looked horrible to the community but the story came out that they have a no crunch policy and refused to overwork their artists, compared to fortnite, epic games where the artists were pulling 100 hour work weeks... While I'd love for FS and other studios to live up to their word and to release finished products on time, while not cutting essential features etc, I wouldn't dream of asking them to force their artists into months of soul crushing labor as a standard so I can get a diolamine fix, which is what happens when us angry gamers demand more than the studio can deliver.
@@thelemoneater Agreed but disagree a couple things. If mismanagement is the issue with all companies then those managers need to fired ASAP. Literally any company I worked at, if your not producing/ fulfilling your job role, you get fired. I’m not a fan of people being overworked either but that’s at all companies not just gaming industry. I worked a lot of warehouse jobs that worked us 60-70 hour weeks. Employees know what they signed up for, if they don’t like working OT ( some instances it’s fine but obviously it’s abused), they should look for a different job. It’s a tough problem to solve though.
Eh... it's not something that belongs in the world of Vermintide... L4D? Sure.... If you want VS, play L4D, Vermintide is for the gameplay it's got, we don't need to skew the population in the game to a PvP mode.
I see they haven’t learnt from what made Wind of Magic a complete flop, at least it’s free this time. All the play time for no reward as the weapons only available in that game mode and that campaign by the looks of it is terrible. The new game mode only likely to work if there’s a group of friends gaming together. Everyone I know who played stopped when WoM came out and was pointless as no rewards for your effort. There is no way to play the campaign as no group of randoms will want to play a full campaign so it will be a campaign with bots. I guess it has some new weapons and some re skinned ones.
@@Cifer77 I may not have been clear in my post, apologies. I think the new weapons will be available in the normal game. The point I was making was that. The effort put into the campaign weapons gives you nothing outside of that campaign.
@@hopeeater4902 I know it’s free and I am happy they are still making content while working on Dark Tide. I just would like them to acknowledge that there are a lot of single players who are unlikely to be able to play this content through to the end of a campaign because matchmaking groups are nearly always one match teams that always want to break up and queue again even if successful. Hopefully this changes and successful groups don’t split but continue.
i love it that's free but i still a bit mad that the chaos wastes don't have demons of chaos like in the main Warhammer fantasy lore. not suppressed either, the media and non-gamers are okay with us killing nurgle and maybe khoard and tzeentch, but not slaanesh. god fobbid we fight demonets that have card claws and raptor legs
This......this is the main reason why I don't give a single crock about this im sure the L4D2 and killing floor bot speed runners will like this..but as a warhammer fantasy enthusiast I'm going to play DND Dark Alliance instead. More maps more enemies custom combos diverse loot that changes looks and an endgame system like outriders. More in that game already than base VM2
VT2s community has always been incredibly toxic towards the game for as long as I can remember. There’s always something wrong with each update/addition that makes people turn their nose up in disgust, but I honestly don’t see what it is half the time. This company isn’t games workshop or CA, they’re fat shark. Some people just don’t realize how lucky we are to receive new content at all.
problem is there no rewards from this, as it's Free DLC with purchasable Weapons. If it was purchasable DLC, weapons could've been rewards. So rewards are useless RNG lootbox. Instead rewards should be "pick a skin of your choice" or "get 5 Red Dust"
I was under the impression that the vast majority of the community would be happy with just new maps, weapons, and cosmetics... So why are they trying for *the second time* to create some fancy new game mode that is separate from the main games progression? They already tried this with weaves and nobody played them. It's simple, just add more maps, weapons, and cosmetics and literally everyone will be happy. And they can charge money for them too, it's literally the safest and best option for everyone involved, but it's like Fatshark is allergic to sensible business decisions or something.
I never cared about pvp, I play v2 for a satisfying coop experience and versus just seems like a distraction and could split the already small playerbase. Imo
All they need to do is add endgame.. a purpose to keep playing... like paragon levels like D3 or like small upgrades that are very rare and hard to get for ur gear or skills... even if its very little we need a reason to play... upgrades... a purpose rly.
Mmm, my takeaway from this is that, even more than the base game, this is something you HAVE to play in a party with friends, not just bots or randos. And I don't have any friends who play this game. I have ONE who did (the one who convinced me to get into Vermintide in the first place) but he's given up on it, largely because he was forced to uninstall it when he upgraded his PC and doesn't want to go through that OBSCENELY large download again (even if the update did reduce its size considerably). So I'm on my own. And this doesn't look like much fun on my own.
Even if chaos wastes offers no good rewards at the end of the run ill still play the shit out of it since i played a ton of rougelites that offer 0 to very little reward
If only we could transform into or mount caledorian dragon in lava environment and fight against chaos champion riding chaos dragon. This could be the pinnacle of vermintide and glorious conclusion to the series.
perfect summary for a returning player who's out of the loop and want to know whats up!
Holy crap this is exactly what I wanted this game to have!! Okay, now I'm excited!
Great job on the overview. I've watched a couple of overviews/reviews and a lot of the mechanics were skipped over. Yours is the first to explain how the new mechanics work and what to expect in detail. Thank you.
Vermintide becoming a roguelike may get me to finally play it. Assuming I can ever find time to.
If you can find the time I really recommend it. I never got into L4D, but the presentation and feel for Vermintide is really great. Plus mowing down hordes of rats is a good way to blow off steam after work
Played it last night with friends and it's not super long to go through a full round from beginning to the end. The more you advance, the stronger you are. It's really worth it! The last round is something! :D
@@Wizley15 Bout' to blow off some steam after work, right now, murdering the rat swarms and beast hordes.
Its still a good game w/o the rougelike feature but defo a nice addition.
didn't expect to play Hades while playing Vermintide...
Might have to dust off the ol’ VT2 save file...
We should all aspire to be as strong as Samwise lol
Now I want a "demon realm" DLC they could be soo creative with that concept.
They could but looking at this they wont
You can not go into the realm of chaos in Warhammer (I mean, you could, but you would end up mutated or something)
@@kompatybilijny9348 It depends how long you're there and I mean it's definitely risky, but Astartes chapters have made penitent crusades into the eye of terror before in 40k. I imagine exploring the chaos realm would be very similar in fantasy. Dangerous, extremely dangerous, but technically can be done.
@@bjornancraite2266 I mean, why would you even go there? It's just a shitload of immortal demons and nothing more
@@kompatybilijny9348 probably to kill a particular demon prince or do something to hurt chaos in a big way, idk
they need to add demons to the game after all you are in the chaos wastes
Imagine if players could make their own maps
3:18 protect me peasants I must look cool for the camera
Even the chaos wastes is infested with rats. Skaven confirmed for demons of filth and pestilence
In the end times they coop with caos, and also they are quite addept to the caos gods
I was hyped for this but now i dont know i usually have enough time to do 1 or 2 missions this looks like it would take a bit more time
I think its around an hour
Thats not to bad
@@goshfather9024 just did a veteran run last night with a couple friends of varying levels (1) (9) (32) and it took us just a little over 3/4 of an hour. The rewards you get if you complete the trials in the run are pretty nice.
@@zachhogan7865 sweet i can manage that for sure
so imagine they implement something like this into Darktide too. Fatshark might leave us with a few bugs, but they know their stuff. Maybe they could redesign the weaves? :D
Hopefully
“Goddamn it I’m waiting on versus mode”. I thought the same thing! Tellem Zerk! Been waiting on versus since the game dropped!
Why did they drop one trailer then never say anything about it again
@@jeagerjeager9171 It was too soon to put it out there according to FS because they had just started working on it and didn't realize how much needed improvement or addition.
I personally don't care at all for versus :P
The upgrade towers can be either random weapons or current gear. It costs double to upgrade current gear. Also random orange and red weapons have a chance to get a unique trait to this mode that can be very strong, cannot get these through upgrading your gear (you get a regular trait instead). So take a risk, be forced to learn those weird weapons like hagbane that you never use, and potentially be rewarded.
You can get the traits from just forging
feels like fatshark is finally realizing the potential this game
it looks ok, but I'm really worried about how this is going to perform with matchmaking; I don't have any friends that play the game, so I am reliant on matchmaking, but there are a LOT of new players right now who think they can handle higher difficulties at like level 3, and end up dragging down the whole team.
losing a single map because of lacklustre teammates is something I can grudgingly accept, but if I lose a whole campaign because of it, then I'm gonna be mad
I’d be looking at finding a squad to get back into this game on Xbox
I'm just hoping that actually beating the Citadel gives us something good.
You get the same rewards you always get, a loot box lol.
@@loafinabout158 pls no
Yeah I'm really worried about this point.
@@Laskofil It's Free DLC so I wouldn't expect anything grand
@@insanitygamer8820 well, if they want attract people back to this game for more than 2 runs they need something better.
Oh thank Sigmar! Didn't want to read all those details on the blogpost. 😅
so all my reds ive grinded for i cant even use? this is literally the same problem i had with winds of magic...
It's a separate mode but thankfully at least it gives you normal chests for gear at the end.
You get stronger weapons than reds in weaves and can upgrade them by just playing the base game. I don't see why it's a big deal
@@queuebe4068 you cant change illusions and neither weave gear is playable base game or vice versa, it just splits up the loot system to make it grindier which is whack
@@queuebe4068 How do you upgrade weave gear in the base game?
I'm curious - if you have to quit/back out of a campaign before you finish will it save your progress or will it be a back-to-start thing?
Back to the start I guess.
I am 6 seconds into the video and i have to say 1 thing about the update i loved it and it was free 50 gb for free. EA would have charged us with 100€
no new enemies , that's bummer
That's a deal breaker for me. Not interested :(
@@michaelhansen2309 its free
@@michaelhansen2309 yeah can something free be a deal breaker. literally just download it and its fucking fun
you are spoiled
looks super sick
Roughly how long would it take to finish a campaign on average? Is each stage on that map the same length as a vanilla level?
Because if I'm looking at upwards of 2-3 hours to finish a run, I can't see myself getting much out of this.
It’s an hour and a half usually. Reward is 3 to 4 max chests for whatever difficulty your playing on
People always talk about longevity of the game as if it hasn't maintained a decent player pop since release. V2 will live atleast until its successor comes out because it is an incredible game with very little in the ways of competition or even comparison.
Sometimes bought perk don't activate. They just seem to not work at all. Not sure what the trigger for it is.
Whats the time commitment per full run? is it 20 min or less per mission or something ?
I doubt they will make a versus mode since they are working on 40k Darktide now which is essentially vermintide 3 but in 40k universe.
Keep up son
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Huh missed that but even so, that promise was a long time ago. Before we knew about darktide.
So what's the rewards if it doesn't improve the main games version of your character?
You get regular chests as part of the reward, I think you can get up to 4 emperor chests on legend difficulty. Plus there's the shop Zerk mentions which was locked in his build of the DLC.
@@05insomnium I'd imagine the You-Beat-The-Citadel shop will be the main motivation for playing Wastes, especially if you get coins depending on how many times you beat it.
I just hope to Sigmar that the shit in the shop is good enough to warrant the investment.
@@JavanPatrickReigner ugh I pray so hard for that - emperor chests and reds are literally worthless to me, I just want cool new weapon skins or smt
Gunna have to give this a try. Im a casual player and i just play campaign maps plus the dlc for that but haven't tried this or weaves since they both released.
After all this time I still have unplayed characters, this mode has encouraged me to start experimenting and leveling up others.
Wait, the coins are completely shared? Oh boy, I can't wait to have a Shade Kerillian who spends every coin on herself while the rest of the team is still on gray weapons in every match
Its always the god damn elves
It seems like the coin pickups are shared (everyone gets 50 coins if you pick up 50 coins), but you have 4 separate bank accounts to spend from.
@@BeautifulFudge thank Sigmaris
Do you get to keep your buffed up gear for play in regular modes or is it gone after the waste run is completed?
as a fan of rogue-likes I love this concept. The OP builds you could do and have fun with are endless. 10% ability cdr on ally ability use?Like being on constant ability pot? W00t w00t. I don't need to get to the end every time, this is tons of content for cheap!
just stumbled upon this mode by accident and got stuck there not knowing door was upstairs to leave lol - joined a group and we finished one of em
Are you able to reroll traits on orange/red gear or find shrines with different traits to apply to weapons?
Their are quite alot of less useful traits, be nice to modify them depending on the level. Or does everything remain random
is that campaign thing an event thingy for a limited time only ?
You know I'm waiting more for Darktide, because I like 40k more then fantasy, but this looks pretty nice. And if I can mobilize my friends to play Vermintide 2 again. I will buy the DLC just for that Trollhammer Torpedo ^^, ok also a bit for the Bow and the Staff.
How long does it take? Looks like it's too long for one sitting. Are there any breaks or you just have to keep going or fail?
The fact it's completely separate from normal play seems double-edged to me. On one hand, newer players don't have to worry about min-maxing gear through all the grind and dice-rolls, making it more accessible to more people. On the other, there doesn't seem to be a lot of incentive or reward for people who have been playing the game all this time, which is a strange decision in it self for the sake of longevity.
+ weaves was completely separate too amd look how that turned out. i dont know why they insist on creating parallel gamemodes with separate gear sets instead of ever improving on the main game people play 99''% of the time.
Still this looks more interesting than weaves and kind of like what it should've been originally im cautiously optimistic.
Also the whole "you start from zero" bullshit all over again.
Fatshark can go s it. I don't have time for their crap.
@@Mayhzon I'm with you. Last game of theirs I'll ever buy to be honest. They are just too dumb to keep them entertaining. Constant poor decisions. Not sure why this is such a consistent theme in online games. I'm constantly baffled that these dev teams make such consistently poor decisons over and over again.
You still bring your career talents with you. A level 30 with max talents will have a much easier game than a level 1.
@@Mayhzon That's the essence of rogue-likes.
will u stream this this weekend ?
I could see a lot of people enjoying this
Niiiice. Maybe this makes me play again and finish the cataclism levels i left undone.
Hmm, i don´t know about this. Another game mode to potentially fracture the player base, with at least part of your progress being irrelevenant in regards to weapons, maybe all of your equipment and talents. My excitement dropped quite a bit tbh. While we are honest: the people who are like, "haven´t played in ages but i´ll give it a try" aren´t going to stick around.
How much time does it take to complete one expedition approx?
@Zerkovich May I ask how to spot/know if the map is haunt by chaos Gods or which chaos gods it is?
It literally says when you hover over it
@@queuebe4068 I asked this when I was download the DLC man :)
This was actually quite a bit of fun. It didn't fix any collision, hit detection, or weapon/class balancing, but it did add a ton of stuff that negated all that.
Looks cool, might be kinda rough too restart the whole damn thing with one wipe. Are the levels shorter than standard levels?
A lot shorter
It's a fun mode. Helps mix it up a bit. Definitely a good way to get loot though
Do you keep talents in this mode?
Gadamit... so this is more content that all the legendries I've customized for builds are completely useless? A lot of these mechanics don't seem very pug friendly at all :/
Holy crap man your game looks crisp. Thats what full setting V2 looks like ? T.T
Do you not?
@@queuebe4068 No T.T I play on low on my 1050 nvidia and still frameskip like crazy
Let's hope we don't just pray for new hats.
I didn't have any dlc and now I only lagg if I play online
thanks dude
how long are the levels?
Lol @ Samwise burn. Honestly I think they were pretty smart to create something so variable and replayable, attracting new and ex players alike without having to sink a ton of time and money into new assets, hopefully it will profit enough for them to keep the game going, I bought my weapons pack and am very happy with that too. It is very accessible to new players as long as they take the time to learn the game properly. I say that coz you can just jump in with any character and level them up quickly without having to worry about gear all you lose is a few talent points the lower you are. I am really satisfied personally and would have given it 5 stars for a free expansion if not for the sad fact that I really like playing and experimenting solo as much as with a friend and the game is too broken with 3 bots. There is a vast amount of new ways you can be cheesed since there are so many variables on the maps and I even found an "unfinished" corner of a map where upon walking in there you simply drop dead, without even going down. A big no no when playing with 3 bots, your run immediately ends. This was on the second last map too. They punish you too much for playing solo, I think there should be a code in the game that when playing solo simply respawns you relatively near the bots and gives them at least a chance to get you up, there are just too many ways to instantly die with no second chances in solo where even with 2 players you already have infinitely more chances to not lose a run to a random cheesing off a cliff. Had an assassin rat pin me through a cliff into instant death too despite only downward momentum and still being 6 feet from the edge. T.L.D.R. Brilliant expansion, especially for a free one. Too broken if playing solo.
I just really feel like with a few tweaks they could have made it better by just changing up the enemies. Giving them nurgel rot or make them look beautuful for slanesh or all mangled for khorne stil im having fun with it and its free
Haven’t played this game for over a year now. Maybe load it back up when it comes out.
I pray they keep the same idea for l4d 40k game they have coming
I can only imagine it's going to be border-line impossible with randoms. The rewards had better be worth something, otherwise I might as well shelf Vermintide entirely until Darktide comes out.
1 of the things I didn't like about Winds of Magic was how your efforts there DIDN'T effect your character in the normal game. Its interesting that Fatshark has compartmentalized portions of the DLC's but it would be nice if your efforts in CW and WOM translate to stuff in the normal game and vice versa. For the most part all they need to do to keep me playing is just keep making new maps. new locations and new places to explore. I'm simple that way.
I think this is kind of the problem with the playerbase. The devs are only listening to the long term hardcores, because they are the ones still playing everyday and paying for DLC. So they give them much more things to grind and unlock in game. But starting at level 1 feels terrible. New players just leave the game and don't come back. So the problem compounds itself.
@@cattysplat I still just want fatshark to port over all Vermintide 1 maps. Kind of like what Left 4 dead did after a long while with Left 4 dead 2.
@@cattysplat What do you mean by "starting at level 1 feels terrible. New players just leave the game and don't come back"?
It's a cooperative multiplayer game. Why would being a lower level than someone have any effect on their game?
Not having demons in was a big missed opportunity, weird to see skaven there.
TBH daemons could have possibly been cut due to time constraints and most of the studio working on finishing darktide, but then again i dont know enough about the dlc to know if it fits the theme or not.
@@thelemoneater FS was already working on darktide befor they even released winds of magic, they just have a lot of difficulties of planning ahead and keeping deadlines...
@@allanredhill8682 Yea their project management is particularly bad, but at the same time most videogame studios are just the same on a bigger scale. It would make you think that perhaps mismanaged projects aren't as simple as they look on paper to us consumers, when every games studio on the planet seems to mismanage.
On that note, look at any successful games production and there's a good chance it was a living hell for the artists, coders etc to work on. If it is the rare case where the artists aren't being worked to death, for example at Respawn Entertainment, working on Apex Legends, which caused a controversy shortly after release because they had a weak battle pass, that didn't match up to fortnite or the rest of the competition.
This looked horrible to the community but the story came out that they have a no crunch policy and refused to overwork their artists, compared to fortnite, epic games where the artists were pulling 100 hour work weeks...
While I'd love for FS and other studios to live up to their word and to release finished products on time, while not cutting essential features etc, I wouldn't dream of asking them to force their artists into months of soul crushing labor as a standard so I can get a diolamine fix, which is what happens when us angry gamers demand more than the studio can deliver.
@@thelemoneater Agreed but disagree a couple things. If mismanagement is the issue with all companies then those managers need to fired ASAP. Literally any company I worked at, if your not producing/ fulfilling your job role, you get fired. I’m not a fan of people being overworked either but that’s at all companies not just gaming industry. I worked a lot of warehouse jobs that worked us 60-70 hour weeks. Employees know what they signed up for, if they don’t like working OT ( some instances it’s fine but obviously it’s abused), they should look for a different job. It’s a tough problem to solve though.
And again - all our previous progression doesnt mean SHIT like it was in WoM
VS mode is never happening...
They've stated they've permanently shelved it.
maybe in Vermintide 3
Eh... it's not something that belongs in the world of Vermintide...
L4D? Sure....
If you want VS, play L4D, Vermintide is for the gameplay it's got, we don't need to skew the population in the game to a PvP mode.
I see they haven’t learnt from what made Wind of Magic a complete flop, at least it’s free this time.
All the play time for no reward as the weapons only available in that game mode and that campaign by the looks of it is terrible.
The new game mode only likely to work if there’s a group of friends gaming together. Everyone I know who played stopped when WoM came out and was pointless as no rewards for your effort.
There is no way to play the campaign as no group of randoms will want to play a full campaign so it will be a campaign with bots.
I guess it has some new weapons and some re skinned ones.
Are you sure the new weapons are only usable in that new mode? They didn't even do that in Winds of Magic.
@@Cifer77 I may not have been clear in my post, apologies.
I think the new weapons will be available in the normal game. The point I was making was that. The effort put into the campaign weapons gives you nothing outside of that campaign.
Ffs its free. Holy Sigmar, your ppl become piece of Nurgle sh*t. Dude shame on you.
@@hopeeater4902 I know it’s free and I am happy they are still making content while working on Dark Tide.
I just would like them to acknowledge that there are a lot of single players who are unlikely to be able to play this content through to the end of a campaign because matchmaking groups are nearly always one match teams that always want to break up and queue again even if successful.
Hopefully this changes and successful groups don’t split but continue.
Look at all these nice new weapons. I can't wait for them all to get nerfed into uselessness.
Theyre probably going to have a dark omens type level adding daemons , similar to how they added beast men
Doesn't matter, they fk'd it up AGAIN!
Seems interesting but the versus mode needs to get here
I wanted vs mode but i doubt it's ever coming
i love it that's free but i still a bit mad that the chaos wastes don't have demons of chaos like in the main Warhammer fantasy lore. not suppressed either, the media and non-gamers are okay with us killing nurgle and maybe khoard and tzeentch, but not slaanesh. god fobbid we fight demonets that have card claws and raptor legs
This......this is the main reason why I don't give a single crock about this im sure the L4D2 and killing floor bot speed runners will like this..but as a warhammer fantasy enthusiast I'm going to play DND Dark Alliance instead. More maps more enemies custom combos diverse loot that changes looks and an endgame system like outriders. More in that game already than base VM2
VT2s community has always been incredibly toxic towards the game for as long as I can remember. There’s always something wrong with each update/addition that makes people turn their nose up in disgust, but I honestly don’t see what it is half the time. This company isn’t games workshop or CA, they’re fat shark. Some people just don’t realize how lucky we are to receive new content at all.
Fatshark killed the golden goose, that's why
@@iHawke id argue they found it dead. They had the concept and the ambition to make it great, but they never had the resources to make it happen.
problem is there no rewards from this, as it's Free DLC with purchasable Weapons. If it was purchasable DLC, weapons could've been rewards.
So rewards are useless RNG lootbox. Instead rewards should be "pick a skin of your choice" or "get 5 Red Dust"
I thought Versus mode was canceled
Basically a deep dungeon but less deep, very nice tbf, a bigger deep dungeon would be better though.
No hoarding of coins, with that you lost me.
Thats a FREE update? Damn...
it was going to be a paid dlc, but when they announced there wont be any new enemies people went mad, so they changed it
@@Shackospeare That may be but even this is impressive. Developers are brickheaded these days so any change for the better is a welcome one.
@@Shackospeare bullshit, they just saw what happened with winds of magic and didn't want to fragment the community even further
@@Shackospeare No. It was always a free dlc.
@@zulupox you don't know that, that dlc was announced as a dlc, not free update
Chaos wastes is no coincidence since Total Warhammer 3 is going the same route, difference is that V2 is lacking on new characters and enemies
Thanks for the explaining daddy
I was under the impression that the vast majority of the community would be happy with just new maps, weapons, and cosmetics...
So why are they trying for *the second time* to create some fancy new game mode that is separate from the main games progression? They already tried this with weaves and nobody played them. It's simple, just add more maps, weapons, and cosmetics and literally everyone will be happy. And they can charge money for them too, it's literally the safest and best option for everyone involved, but it's like Fatshark is allergic to sensible business decisions or something.
im glad someone is excited for VS mode. a ton of people say they could care less. they don't realize how fun it is.
I never cared about pvp, I play v2 for a satisfying coop experience and versus just seems like a distraction and could split the already small playerbase. Imo
@@allanredhill8682how would it split the playerbase? it is no different than adding a game mode like chaos wastes -_-
its almost like the weaves, which were a big flop. i really hope this will be played in the long term.
All they need to do is add endgame.. a purpose to keep playing... like paragon levels like D3 or like small upgrades that are very rare and hard to get for ur gear or skills... even if its very little we need a reason to play... upgrades... a purpose rly.
The Ubersreik five now worship chaos altars and pray to the dark gods?
Well, Gruber worships the Lady now, I suppose. So there's that.
looks good
Guess its time to reinstall
and my dumb ass was thinking we would actually get demons..........
Bots. I see bots! Also, it seems to be true that this is completely divorced from the main game, again. Shame that!
Mmm, my takeaway from this is that, even more than the base game, this is something you HAVE to play in a party with friends, not just bots or randos. And I don't have any friends who play this game. I have ONE who did (the one who convinced me to get into Vermintide in the first place) but he's given up on it, largely because he was forced to uninstall it when he upgraded his PC and doesn't want to go through that OBSCENELY large download again (even if the update did reduce its size considerably). So I'm on my own. And this doesn't look like much fun on my own.
"Obscenely large download" 80-GB. A lot of other games are that size or larger. I would say that's pretty normal
@@queuebe4068 You can say what you like, won't change his mind. So I'm still on my own.
it is a weave 2.0, again completely seperate from the base content.
I hope we won't see the same with Darktide, little islands with 0 connection.
Even if chaos wastes offers no good rewards at the end of the run ill still play the shit out of it since i played a ton of rougelites that offer 0 to very little reward
if there is no rewards its not really a roguelite, its a roguelike if there is no meta progression
It looks good
no nurgle demons :(
Its a disappointment is what it is
I guess vs mode isn’t happening
If only we could transform into or mount caledorian dragon in lava environment and fight against chaos champion riding chaos dragon. This could be the pinnacle of vermintide and glorious conclusion to the series.
NO Daemons? No Tzeetchian, Slaanishi, or Khornate worshippers? :(
The long warpath commercial is tiresome. I dont want to skip it because of Zerkovich.