Mild to Wild Bolt In Cams Take Your 114 M8 to the Next Level
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Harley-Davidson 114 M8 is a serious candidate for bolt on horsepower and torque. The right bolt in cam will produce power levels exceeding Screamin' Eagle Stage kits while keeping the 114 displacement. Cams are always a great place to start and maybe even stop after you see these dyno numbers. With the right exhaust setup and tuning we're seeing power levels never before achieved with Harley engines using only direct bolt in cams.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
1:14 Stock 114 Horsepower
2:22 Red Shift 468
4:30 S&S 475C
6:57 Cycle-Rama CR480
9:36 Wood WM8-222
11:48 Wood WM8-22X
13:46 Wood WM8-22XE
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What's your preference? Camshafts that have decent power in all areas or targeting power in the low to mid or mid to high?
I think decent torque through mid range. call me superficial but the way the motor sounds at idle and under throttle is important. If I was going to pick purely on how I want the bike to perform, I would go for a zippers472 but I love the sound off the WM 22XD. It is a difficult decision. Made harder with no real solid tuner solutions for 2021 bikes
Power Vision should work for the 21's, that's the best tuner out there.
I prefer to have the torque and power down slightly lower, the S&S 475c is a beast and provides pure power early on where most riders are averaging typical RPMs. Personally the S&S is my choice hands down.
Hmm might try that XE
It would be hard to walk away from that 22XE, but hopefully coming in at 2100 rpm isn't two high an RPM to deal with for a daily rider?
My 2021 Street Glide Special put down 121.14hp and 129.45tq. Screamin Eagle Ventilator Extreme intake, TBR 2 into 1 with turn out exhaust, and S&S 475c cam. Bike is tuned on Power Vision by Abel at Killer Creek Harley Davidson in Roswell, Ga. These M8 engines are incredible. Very little modification to really wake them up. The cam isn't what you'd find in a typical bagger, but I'm not your typical bagger rider. I like that top end power and the never ending pull in the upper rev range.
That's awesome! That's more than what that high dollar Screamin Eagle 117 stage 4 puts out.
@@GixxerFoo when they showed me the numbers I couldn’t believe it! I’d let you ride it and maybe do a review on it or whatever. For content. Let me know. The bike rips!
Just put the Woods 22XE in my 22’ SG and damn! 🔥🔥 You will not be disappointed!!
Made it come to life did it?! Lol they are some bad ass a cams!! They take advantage of every bit of power you can squeeze out of those M8's without any other modifications.
My brother has this cam in his '23 RG ST. I never got a chance to ride the 117 stock, so I can't compare. But he had me take it for a ride and Holy hell does that thing rip. At that time, my bike was a '14 Breakout. Even being 300 pounds lighter, I didn't stand a chance against his ST.
The Woods 22xe in a Street Bob 114 would make a fun ride. Great info as always. Have a great weekend!
Thank you, you too! I am all about taking the lighter Softail M8'S and putting some crazy power in them!
very solid great advice for bolt on power n great sound for our loved 114 m8's Thanks for making this video, once I put a cam in I will never go back to a stage 1 only upgrade, especially on the m8 114 motor, soon as my warranty expires im going to out the woods extreme ! it has a long time at peak torque n high horsepower woods 22 ex but the zippers is all you need and more!,
Was looking for info on the 22XE. When you came up in the results it’s a no-brainer. Down the rabbit hole we go! Always enjoy your content!!
Right on! I love it! It's hard to beat that 22XE, it just destroys all the other cams in every single area.
Quickly becoming my go to for info on my 114ci performance.
Man that woods 22xe seems like the cam for me. That torque curve was absolutely fine !! Keep in mind , the 114 is a stroked 107 with bumped up compression. Two great things.
You hit the nail on the head! That 22XE is a wild cam it's made to work without the compression, but Wood cams love compression and it will handle a bump.
Awesome spread! Seriously considering the Cycle-Rama
It's a really nice cam and to me they don't as much recognition as they deserve!
I installed the 468 Zipper’s in my 2017 FLHTK and it works excellent for me, covers all my needs for Touring Power 👍🏻
Getting a S&S 475 fitted as we speak. Going on my '21 fat bob with vance and hines short shots, screamin eagle heavy breather and tuner. Can't wait to pick it up.
That's awesome! It's gonna be a whole new bike when you get that back, those cams make some power and you'll really feel it with that Fat Bob.
Wow. Great stuff 👍. Ride safe and have a great weekend. 🇺🇸
Liked it!!!! Have a twin cam now and am looking to get into an M8 114 in the near future. Great info as always. I’m kinda stuck on the Woods for my twin cam and now I’m thinking in the near future the same for the M8. Thanks!!
Woods has great cams.
Right on!
One of my favorite creators because u actually respond back, people like that, I get if u had a million sub's, u can't.
It's tough, but I try to at least read every comment. I try to answer as many comments as possible!
I have the 468 red shift. Fueling cam plate and fueling oil pump. Bassani road rage 2 into one. Very very satisfied.
Just not the same without the shelf ready to collapse.
Lol, I feel the same way!
I've been watching each video looking for a support rafter or evidence of failure🤣
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
Just dropped in the 22XE in my Lowrider ST. So happy with it. She pulls hard.
But when you just want to cruise how does it feel? I love mobbin, but sometimes I just want to enjoy the ride. How do the feel it performs when you just want to chill?
@@donnyj9487 if you want to cruise, it’s doesn’t feel any different. I cruise around 2800-3200 most like when I wanna be a good citizen. But the power is on tap when you need it
I second that. I have a stage 2 with the wood 22XE. Love it, really have to know your clutch/gas at stop but when it’s on - it’s on
Very informative! Thanks for sharing!
Am going to upgrade to the 22xe for how I ride. Thanks for the nfo!!
I like this guy, very informative and humorous at times. What the hell, I'm going for the Wood 22XE. Call me crazy because I am only 170 pounds in weight on a 2021 Softail Standard and never ride two up these days. The thing is my riding style has changed a little as I got older and both curves peaking early is perfect for me. Wish me luck....
A 22XE in a Softail Standard?! Now where talking! The lightest of the big twins with the most power you can squeeze into one. The 22XE is a wild cam, that thing will produce some serious power with exhaust and a good tune!
Well, @paulhawkes6030 how are you liking that 22XE? Are you visiting the petrol station more often?
@@webbsteroni I actually get better gas mileage as long as I'm not jumping on it at every light
Right on Man. I can’t see your hands👍🏻😉
The performance improvement from these cams over stantard is massive👍
The factory cam and the Screamin Eagle cams don't hold a candle to even the mildest aftermarket cams.
@@GixxerFoo 22XE for me as with most on here. But I'll have my Fat Bob stage1 till the warranty expires March 2023 then go for the cam upgrade and whatever else needed for reliability👍
@@robertprosser6856 It’s getting close to time for that Stage 2!
I have the Zippers cam and D&D 2 into 1 pipes (love it)!
Wood 22 X-E all the way!!
Great video! Really well done. I have an S&S 475 but I must admit that the Wood 22XE is a beast! I might consider this Cam with the SE Stage 3 122 kit.
475 is a really good cam, that 22XE is the SE stage kit destroyer!
What kind of power are you getting with the aftermarket cam in the 122
Gixxerfoo with the great info as usual. Underrated content creator.
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Tell me about it... one helluva channel he's created. When it comes to getn straight to the point with unbiased opinions... the content is second to none!
Did you test these cams
On your dyno? Or, did you just search the internet and find some charts? You’re a Johnny come lately who knows how to take others research and development and use it to make yourself into an internet expert? There is no way that cam makes that power with stock headpipe and and stage on intake. Most you’ll get would be 125 ft lbs. blow up the description on the chart. Prove me wrong
The woods cams are impressive.
Bob Wood makes a great product, it's ground by Andrews too!
Just put an S&S 475 in my 2019 ultra limited. Your videos really persuaded me to do the cam install. And now my M8 114 sounds and runs amazingly.
That's awesome! M8's seriously wake up with a good cam like that 475 and they sound like a Harley again! With the M8 idling at 850 rpm instead of 1,000 rpm like the twin cam they sound really good!
@@GixxerFoo yes it does I just installed it Sunday morning and did a 173 mile ride just after man! That ide!!! Chop chop
Great choice 👌
Excellent choice
I had the 475 s&s in my 107 road king se tuner it was fantastic!😮😊
Went with the RS468. S&S oil pump and decatted headpipe, vented dipstick. Love it.
Does it pull hard? I am going with the same set up, but with the tab performance 2-1-2 headpipe. Although i put on the vented dipstick, I'm going to upgrade to the S&S cam plate and oil pump.
@@terrible1kid I ended up 126Tq 106hp. Max Tq from 2500 to 4000rpm. Still pulls strong to redline.
@terrible1kid how do you like the rs468 ? I'm doing same setup 212 tab header 4inch bam stick zombie baffle with high flow air cleaner pv4 tune
Nice comparison bro. I like the Zippers over all, if you just wanna cam tune and pipes. Great daily ride. If you want to pump it up a little, then the S&S for sure for performance!
Right on, that Zippers is an awesome cam. A friend of mine we put one in his 2018 Street Glide, that really made that bike come to life and it was just smooth and easy to ride.
i just bought a 2022 road glide and been watching a lot of cam vids and so far i think im going with s&s 475 but have not decited chain or gear
With a good pipe and drop in kn filter that cr480 has the stock injector cycle tapped out at peak torque! Here in Australia companies like APE have 130hp builds with that cam on the 114 with 6.2gps injectors and 64mm m
Yeah that CR cam blows the rest away with the rest of the important stuff done. These are just stage 1 numbers. CR480 is a monster
22XE on my 2021 Street Glide Special 114 and love it.
That cam right there makes Screamin Eagle stage 4 power for less than half the cost with installation!
I'm putting in the woods 22xe cam into my 2019 FLHTK, with a full cobra exhaust, adjustable push rods and an arleness heavy breather. Being done right now Hoping it gives me the get up and go I'm wanting. And of course a good tune.
The 22XE is a wild cam, your bike going to scream with that cam in there! Those cams put out as much if not more than the Screamin Eagle stage 4 kits.
@@GixxerFoo I'm hoping for the best. My mechanic is not putting a tuner in, he said he can just flash the ECM. He also said the stock cam plate and lifters will handle the extra power. I trust him cuz he's never steered me wrong. Just wondering your thoughts. And thanks for the reply. Put a smile on my face!
Hey Jim,
how did your install go. Very interested in hearing about it. I am contemplating a woods cam install on my 21 SG 107 and was wondering how the low end torques was for you.
@@jimrhoads9075How are you linking that 22XE? Any issues with the cam chest or valve train?
@@webbsteroni I'm loving it, pulls great and sounds like a Harley. No issues so far, 10,000 miles and 3 fluid changes.
Dang that XE looks sick!
I just got a street bob with a 114 I love it and am thinking of upgrading the cam. I guess it would be mostly for the sound because if I wanna go fast I will just buy a sport bike with more lean angle I miss my Honda CBR for that.
The right cam like a Wood WM8 22XE with a good exhaust and tune will make your street bob think it's a sport bike! That bike is light "for a Harley", but with the horsepower and torque a cam would give it you wouldn't want to underestimate it.
Great video
Thanks!
got the s&s 475c kit coiming in the mail for my 2021 fxbbs
114
Great video. Would love to see same style of video with a 117 (CVO AND ST Model)
I'll have to do a cam video on the new 117 models here soon!
I have 30th anniversary fat boy and just ordered woods 22xe with s&s oilpump Kit and extras. I can't wait to get it back after winter.
Already I had Bassani Road rage 2->1 exhaust and extreme breather. So I think it will be maxed out until maybe 131.
Just got numbers back from dyno. 122hp and 178 Nm =132ft lbs.
All these cams are great bolt-in cams. My preference, based on Torque Curve (approx. 2000-4000 rpm) is the Woods 22XE. I'm already planning on this cam combined with a good 2-1 exhaust (and supporting other mods) for my '21 RGS with the 114 M8. Thanks for the video. Would like to see a Part 2 to this (Bolt-in Cams, 114 M8)...Zippers 472 Cam, S&S 465 Cam, HD SE 447 Torque Cam, maybe a few others. Thanks!
Just installed the 22xe...its bad ass
What other mods other than the 2-1?
@@morsog1287 Other mods (as of 3/16/2022) to my '21RGS-114: FM/K&N Air Cleaner Kit # FM-3956; Trask M8 Checkvent (to ventilate crankcase); HD Fan (added to Oil Cooler); Fuel Moto Dynojet PV3 Tuner w/Tune provided by Fuel Moto. Running stock HD 12mm narrow band O2 sensors at this time; plan to add Target Tune w/18mm wide band O2 sensors down the road. As of right now, regarding Stage-2 Cam, looking at the Woods 22X and 22XE. Tom Miller
@@jerryandrews3699how’s this cam performing? Any other mods?
@@johnford3761 S&S 129 kit, HPi 62mm TB, 6.2 injectors, upgrades compensator, and a few back tires.
@Gixxerfoo that’s awesome info and I’ll do a bit more research , but hey bud please keep up the great vids.
Absolutely I plan on continuing to keep spreading the good word! It's really hard to beat the Wood, but the best thing to do is look at as many dyno charts as you can and see where the horsepower and torque comes on. Compare that to where you normally ride and you can pick the absolute best cam for where you ride.
Got the Woods 22XE in my 114 Breakout. Also have the Woods lifters, S&S adjustable pushrods, billet tappet retainer, chain tensioner, cam chest and oil pump, and Andrews crank sprocket. The bike is a beast and pulls hard through every gear. Completely different bike now and sounds amazing.
Way to go sounds like you did it right taking care off some M8 issues !
@@leonardstanford1877 Yes, I also put in a fueling vented dipstick as well as did an air intake vented system on my bike. No more dirty heated oil going back into the intake. If you have a Harley, this is a must.
@@briandorsey3608 I have an 19 breakout how bad is the fuel mileage after you did all this to your breakout? I ask because I would like to put this cam in my breakout so any information would gladly be appreciated sir.
@@canttalk To be honest Brian, I have noticed I burn through my gas a little bit faster than I did before. I have not done any long rides so I could compare but it just seems that way. But it was well worth it. Even if that is the case, I would not change a thing I did.
@@briandorsey3608 thank you sir my bike is stock other than I put Rinehart slip-on on it...but I do alot of long distance riding so that was my main concern but still as long as it's not to much difference I might go ahead and do it. Again thank you sir for your feedback and ride safe keep two wheels down and have a blessed day sir
I have a 03 FXD 95 inch Twin Cam with the Wood TG8 gear drive cams. LOVE em
Wood cams are just simply hard to beat!! They make more power than most big bore kits out there with no more than a cam swap.
Thanks nice info!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Great video thank you!!would of liked to see you do a andrews 462 cam for the 114 maybe next time👍
Thanks for the idea!
After watching several of your video's and seeing the Amsoil stickers on the toolbox. You appear to have your poop together I'm a firm believer in Amsoil. So you have another subscriber
Thank you! I've run a lot of different oil over the years and I tried Amsoil and just stuck with it. They had a lot of wild claims but they had data to back it, also when I tore a motor down I was really impressed with the way everything looks.
The s&s 475 is the all time favorite...
That Wood WM8-22XE is impressive in a stock 114. High Torque (hits early, impressive near tabletop flat mid-range, & power in the higher rpm range). The S&S 475 cam is a great all around cam, with nice sound/lope. The Cyclerama 480 cam looks very good also.
Very curious how the S&S 465 Cam and the Moonshine Harley/Comp Cams 485 Cam compare to the Wood 22XE. A shootout...Touring chassis Harley, Stage-2 114 with stock compression and stock heads, high flow air cleaner and free flowing exhaust system, along with proper Tuning, would be extremely interesting.
Woods WM8 22xd cam in my 2021 flhtk114 has 111 HP and 124 LBS of my TQ.Fell on face at 2000-3000 rpm because of the RCX X1 4.5 mufflers aren't the greatest choice of mufflers for bottom end TQ.
Bought wood 22xe today. Adding Bassani 1s94r too 💪👍😎
That's gonna be a whole new world when you get that cam installed!
I got the 22XE in my 2018 heritage classic with the 107. It’s like a new Bike with the full stage 2 now.
108HP@ 5.61 RPM
122 ftlbs @3.48
Bike becomes a beast @3krpm
2500rpm and under, power is flat
Great info as usual. It's been a year since part 1, would love to see part 2. You have two of the top 5 bolt-in cams that I have narrowed down my selection too. Woods 222 xe, cycle rama 480, star racing 30-30, Chris Rivas rocket cam 474, T man m8 216. I will be choosing one of these cams for M8 114 build
Just my two cents but that Wood 222XE is a power house, it sounds very healthy at idle, going through the gears and running down the road. It puts down just as much power as a 5K dollar investment in a 114 to 117 stage 4 Screamin Eagle kit. With that cam it's almost laughable to tell someone "oh it's just got a little cam in it" lol.
@@GixxerFoo based on what I'm seeing, the cr480 is putting out comparable numbers to the 22xe. I was going to go with the xe but I'm leaning toward cr480 now.
I'm going to have to go with 222xe SE cam plate got a new oil pump and get the d&d FatCat. 🤘💪
Great info GF
Thank you, we appreciate your continued support over here on the channel!
woods cam rock!!!!!!!
About dyno sheets...
Peak numbers are just that, peak numbers. They won't tell you how the bike performs across the rev range, for that you need to look at the torque curve. A flatter curve will give you more useable performance over a wider rev range. A lot of the shape of the curve is down to the cam, but a lot is also down to the exhaust system.
Performance numbers will vary from bike to bike, even with identical setups. Performance numbers will also vary from tuner to tuner. Differences in elevation (air pressure), correction factors (STD vs SAE vs DIN), and dynos will produce different numbers even from the same bike. Don't get too hung up on small differences in numbers, they are likely down to variance.
Where the curve starts is determined by at what RPM the tuner is starting the pull and where he cuts off the graph. Some will start the pull at 2000 RPM, some at 1500 RPM. That says nothing about where the power comes on. To determine where the power comes on, you need to look at where the torque curve climbs the fastest. The 22X-E curve is a good example (14:20), the tuner cut off the graph at 2100 RPM and yanked the throttle at 2200 RPM. Had he started the pull at 1500 RPM, the torque graph would have plateaued earlier.
Horsepower will always continue to climb after the torque has peaked. hp = tq * rpm / 5252. As long as the rpms climb faster than the torque drops, your engine continues to produce power and the hp graph will continue to climb. Your engine stops producing power when the torque drops faster than the rpms climb which is after the hp graph has peaked. This is why the rev limiter is set to just after peak hp. There's no benefit going beyond that. Peak horsepower is your ideal upshift point for maximum performance.
The torque and hp curve will always cross over at 5252 RPM: hp = tq * 5252 / 5252 ... hp = tq * 1 ... hp = tq. The relationship between torque and horsepower is linear. If your engine produces 10% more torque at x-rpm, it will also produce 10% more hp at that same rpm.
To increase peak horsepower, the cam needs to provide more torque at peak horsepower rpm. Since torque is a curve, if a cam is designed to deliver more torque at higher rpm, that means it will deliver less torque at lower rpm. Most people ride at lower rpm (2000~4000 rpm) than at higher rpm (4000~6000 rpm). You should always pick a cam that performs best in the rev range where you ride.
That's exactly why you got to pay attention to what's going on with the graph and not focus on those peak numbers. Excellent point!
Great explanation- thanks!
Awesome comparison video! Now to find these dyno graphs with a 131ci🤔
These bike are fool proof the right port velocity cam & pipe easy 1.2 hp per cubic inch, so 131 easy get 150 hp this generation got it made just use your credit card & lap top lol
The M8 motor has quite a few areas that are prone to failure ( lifter,valve seats loose, sumping problems , etc ) even with so called bolt in cams can excellerate those issues ! I suggest searching for the aftermarket fixes for those issues before or while you are installing even a bolt in cam ! If you have a problem while under warranty HD is going to put the same junk parts that failed back in your bike !
For free under warranty,out of warranty gut the cam chest and throw a cam behind an s&s pump/plate/lifters/cuffs/pushrods,then enjoy the bike
You raise some vital points there Leonard. I'm not an M8 owner, but if I were to do the stage 2 upgrade with any of the top rated cams, I'd be inclined to upgrade the oil pump, lifters, Dark Horse Man-O-War compensator, maybe the cooling jet oilers, a Screamin' Eagle Variable Pressure Clutch (plus anything else that's essential).
@@Jonathan-L right on do it right or don't do it !
They updated the oil pump in 2020, so its not an issue any longer. Many have over 60k miles with a stage II using stock cam plate, compensators, clutch etc.. and no issues. 2020 and up seems to be good.@@leonardstanford1877
Got me the wood 22xe on its way. Ordered that and oil pump cam plate, tappet covers amd quickie pushrods
Nice! That bike is going to rip with that cam in there, the idle is going to sound insane!
Can you get problems with the engine ? How many miles you can drive with no problem with this cam ?
Woods XE GO FOR THE BEST AND BIGGEST. THANK You my Dear friend. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ALWAYS. ERIC
Same to you! The XE is one monster cam and blows away the SE stage 4 kits.
Love the show!
2 aspects of cams I don't hear you speak off:
Influence of cam timing on static vs dynamic compression - can a cam compensate for a factory low compression?
How aggressive are cams on the valve train; steep vs round lobe profiles
That's a great point, for these videos I try to keep it simple for picking a cam but I can look at doing some really in depth videos on how and why the cams do what they do.
I think that if he would have gone off and try to speak about that he would have bored a lot of people especially with giving too much information that people really don't understand or even want to know about just showing the end results of what the cams do and what their numbers are is basically what everyone's looking for anything more than that they can take it up with their own mechanics
@@normanmatura6769 I just want to know that no matter what gear I'm in, when I roll on the throttle, the front wheel will come up !
Hi GixxerFoo ! I recently found your channel. Love the videos and information you provide and this in particular was a great comparison video. I have a question regarding cam upgrades... They always do these comparisons to a stock setup versus cam + pipes + air intake updates. I know it probably doesn't get the most out of any cam upgrade, but was wondering... What would the numbers look like if you only put in a cam and did a tune? Are they very marginal or half-way decent? Personally, I find the stock setup pretty good so aren't really looking for monster upgrades. I generally like the quieter sound from the stock setup (of my 2021 Road King Special) but wouldn't mind getting some lope put into the M8. And who doesn't like a bit more power. So I was thinking... I'd like to keep the overall pipe noise down, gain some lope, and don't need all the power gains... what if I just add the cam + tune to a completely stock setup?
Keep up the great work!
Sounds like you should replace the EFI with a carburetor. 😅
My father in law turned me to your content and I love it. Just picked up my dream bike (2017 CVO Street Glide). Did the vented dipstick and Rinehart DBX so far. Going to add header and tuner next year along with a cam. I don’t really rip on it, but I like to have it if I need it. More into cruising and bar hopping. What cam setup would you recommend for that? Thanks!
That's awesome! I really liked the paint scheme on those 2017's, for what you're looking to do that Red Shift 468 is awesome. We in my friends 2018 Street Glide with the 107, it was night and day difference!
22XE, all the way
I have decided to go with the CR480, S&S lifters, S&S adjustable pushrods, S&S tappet cuffs, S&S intake, Screaming Eagle extreme breather and the Bassani Ripper exhaust. Let's see what number I'll get.
Numbers don't matter I bet its great to ride.
Wood WM8-22XE👍
That is a unbelievable monster cam, it puts down serious power in a M8!
Im thinking the woods cams are always killing it in torque production... Im going with woods M8 222xe on my 2020 soft tail low rider s.
That's going to be fun cam in a Low Rider S, big power and light weight!
Best cam for the FXLRS, trust me, worth it.
I simply cannot believe that 22XE can achieve numbers like that with only exhaust, intake and a tune , considering that it is their chart 🤔!
That test bike must be “massaged” to perfection 🤔
It is impressive though, none the less!
Wood really can pull the numbers on a M8, just have to use a good exhaust and have it tuned well.
They can, and it does.. it’s a picky cam to tune, not just any exhaust system will get you there, but the right one will, my set up got me 118/125
I have sound clip vids on my channel Also, fuel Moto and wood’s web sites have dozens of dyno charts with various set ups, all achieving similar #’s
I’ve got the 22XE cam in my 2020FXLRS. Absolutely love the cam profile! Another buddy of mine also has a FXLRS and he’s got the CR480.
Good choice!
Have you ridden both to compare, and if so what would you recommend?
@@stefanbrown4514 : I'd like to know that as well.
You present great info and the best one was the WM8 -22XE but you should look at the bolt in cams from fueling, the 405 would be a nice addition but the 465 and 472 cams are very impressive for being bolt in cams
They some really solid products, especially with the their cam plate and cam combos.
@@GixxerFoo yes they do I've got one of there kits coming with the 543 cams for in my 11 fat bob
The 405 is a puny cam with just a little more lift than the stock M8 cam. I think it was developed for bikes under warranty (compare to the S&S Torque cam). Fueling makes a quality produce, but there are better cams for the M8.
Have you looked at the 22xd? Great video by the way.
Thanks so much for the videos... They are awesome... And recommendations for my set-up? 2019 RGS 114 M8.... I have the HD heavy breather... Tab performance 2-1-2 header w/ Tab zombie mufflers.... Being told that this exhaust will rob me of gains... Really sucks since I just did the exhaust a few months ago.... Any thoughts are much appreciated
Awesome video! I am a big fan of zippers but like the S&S a bit better. I would do the Woods XE just to go all out with no second thoughts or what if’s… my only concern is reliability. What do you think would be the best considering longevity and reliability? Thanks again!
That 22XE in a big bagger would be great for 2up riders going on long trips. More than enough tq to get you moving, but tons of HP available for passing on the interstate.
The XE is a wild cam, it will give you all you want for sure! It lays down numbers better than the Screamin Eagle stage kits!
@@GixxerFoo The only reason I would go to the screamin bird is because of warranty coverage. You can still hotrod your bike, but not be left out thousands of dollars if something goes wrong.
Is it good for long trips?Does it make your bike hot?
Nice
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Great videos so much information I just wish someone would make sound 19:16 clips of all these cams at idle
Nobody else noticed what his calendar says in red????
Thanks for the comparisons.
Very welcome, there's a lot of great cams out there for the M8. There's a lot more value and power per dollar with the aftermarket cams.
The s&s 475 is hard 2 beat...
Maybe only perhaps by the 465 if you like torque down low?
For me it is the S&S 475!
Wood 22XE For A 117. Installing one this weekend with all the fixin's.
Thanks for the video.
Great report...just curious do you happen to have a chart on the andrews n21..never saw a dyno chart on these..thanks man
I think somewhere you should have noted that these dynos were done by the Mfrs with various air cleaners intakes exhaust systems tuners & dynos. So these comparisons are only moderately apples to apples.
The setup specifics need to be sought out & considered for use in decision making with regards to a consumers bike.
Also aftermarket cams & tuners on a new bike voids warranty. It is something to be considered. I likely will upgrade to aftermarket parts eventually so I am actually pro aftermarket. But for now the SE breather, SE tuner, SE-498 cam, etc allowed my 114 to make 116 HP 116 TQ which is performance competitive here AND retained full factory warranty.
Plus since it was bought within 60 days of bike purchase it got MoCo’s 20 percent off discount making it price competitive as well.
We pay for that warranty as part of a new bike purchase. I see no sense in letting MoCo off the hook unless there is no better way to get what I want.
Those are some really solid numbers with the SE cams! For the most part exhaust systems and air cleaners are pretty comparable. When you get down to trying to get absolute peak dyno numbers an exhaust swap can make a difference plus or minus in the horsepower. Any aftermarket cam choice is going to make a huge difference in the feel of bike, no doubt though under warranty stick to the SE parts or wait till the warranty is up.
@@GixxerFoo Yeah it was a good tune even had to use a 117ci map to get the fuel. But hey still covered under warranty and EPA approved exhaust etc.
The SE-517 cam (stage 4) I’m sure could have made better peak HP numbers but I wasn’t going that far. No heads or injectors etc either.
19k miles so far and zero issues. My warranty expires shortly. Not sure if I want to mess with a great running bike. Might hold off on upgrades till next winter.
@@GixxerFoo Ran across this again so I thought I would give you an update. Bike now has 37k zero issues. I've only made one mechanical mod. I removed the Db reducer. Its a pretty universal design 3 hole flange in a 4" pipe with a pipe diameter of 1.75". Fuel moto has them except 2" ID all you do is cut it to the same internal length as your stock Db reducer and bolt it in. Shortly after I won a free dyno pull. What do you know it picked up 2 HP & 6 TQ. 118 HP 122 TQ. Could be good air a happy dyno whatever but I suspect it was the Db reducer. On top of that it sounds better at idle and under load. Not a lot louder but enough to easily hear the difference. Cheap easy mod for anyone can do.
I'm not sure if you realize it or not but it's not so much the difference in displacement on the 114 but the fact that it's a longer stroke which should produce more torque
I think I just watched this video for the 50th time. Great video. I am in the process of picking out a cam for my 2020 Ultra Limited to do over the winter which will be the Zippers or S&S. My confusion is what to do about the head pipe, should I go with the Khrome Werks 2-2 and get rid of the cat or no?
The second question is should we do the S&S oil pump and cam plate as long as it's open?
For sure I would get the head pipe and get rid of the cat, you'll really appreciate the performance gain with the new cam and not to mention the heat reduction. For sure if you can swing the extra cash the oil pump and cam plate is a excellent option, while you're in there for the cam is the time to do it. Check your run out on the pinion though, for the S&S race plate you'll want to be below .005 run out. Another great option to pair with is the Feuling OE cam plate, it has higher run out tolerances and you can use the Feuling high volume oil pump. Here's a video about the sumping and how the high volume oil pumps and cam plates will help tremendously with that ua-cam.com/video/uoDPqUj8Ajw/v-deo.html.
Awesome video
Just picked up a low rider st
What cam would you throw in a m8117 with tbr exhaust
First came the 107, now the 114, soon the 117, and finally I absolutely need to see stuff for the 131!
I am curious to see some data on a 131 with a aftermarket cam swap, those SE cams do that motor no justice.
Did I miss the part about what exhaust you were running with these cams! I'm really digging the 22xe.
I’m running an RS468 in my 2019 HDSGS. If I change I will go with the S&S 475.
That 468 is an awesome cam, we put one in my friend's 2018 SGS with a full Rinehart exhaust. That thing ran damn good, even with that Screamin Eagle Street tuner, couldn't convince him to go Power Vision.
Going from a 468 to a 475 is basically just throwing your money in the trash lol spend the money somewhere else to actually get gains
Great info on this vdeo, I have one questions regarding Anderews cams, I didnt find much info about them. I see they have a new 465B and wonder if you have anything about this one.
Hey my friend, I was hoping you could answer a few question for me!? Well, it's more about your opinion and my best option to get the best performance out of my new 2023 Harley Davidson Fatboy 114 (vivid black). LOL 😂
You don't know me (duh!), but I really like watching your videos, as they're very informative, technical, and opinionated.
But first just a bit about myself, so you can get a feeling about what I need (Stage 1, Stage 2, etc.,).
My name is Cpt. Michael R. Metzler Sr. and I am a former Marine (7 yrs.) and now a U.S. Army Aviation Maintenance Officer 🚁 Helicopter Test Pilot (retired veteran).
I owned a 1991 HD Low Rider Custom back in 1997, but the bike was a bit to small for me. I had to sell it when I left in January 2003 for Melgar (Tolemeida), Colombia to work as a Test Pilot for the Drug Interdiction Program with the Department of State and Colombian Army.
Well, now I have my new bike and I am a about to buy a set of Vance and Hines Big Radius exhaust and a chrome Trask "Assault" air filter system (stage 1). I will also buy a new tuner, but I would like to know which tuner you think would be the best.
The next question is about the bolt on cam. Which of the ones you referred to do you think would be the best for me, as I want that true Harley sound that my bike does NOT have being stock.
That's one reason I want the V&H Big Radius. But more than that, I want the performance and the rumble that comes along with it.
I now live in the Philippines with my Filipino wife and three gorgeous children (2 Filipino-Americans and 1 Filipino step-daughter) and we don't have the wonderful highways that we have back home 🏡 (New Orleans (East), Louisiana).
I mention that because my trips aren't very long, unless I head out for a ride with some friends (1-2 hours) or go to Manila for a servicing of bike, which is about a 7-8 hour ride from my home in San IlDefonso, Ilocos Sur. But that's only a two lane highway and all of the others around are one lane! LOL 😂 Definitely miss home in terms of riding! 😊
Please give me a shout when you get a chance to read my very lengthy comment. LOL 😂
Thank you very much and please keep the videos coming. 😎
God bless you and the family! 🙏❤😊🚁
Sincerely,
Cpt. Michael R Metzler Sr. 😊
Thank you for your service sir and congratulations on your beautiful family and motorcycle! With the things going on with EPA legal tunes, I would recommend trying to get you a Power Vision through FuelMoto. I say that because you can get the cam from them with an excellent map already loaded on the tuner that's in house developed by them for your bike. They make some killer maps!
For your 114 M8 the best cam hands down is gonna be the Wood WM8 22XE. That cam make power the stage 4 Screamin Eagle kit for the 114 puts down. FuelMoto is hard to beat, just make sure you get the older PowerVision and not the PV4. The PV4 has EPA legal tunes, the older one FuelMoto will load up with the exact map you need for your bike's setup.
22XE, 2 into one pipe and an aftermarket tube put me at 120/120 off a M8 114
Insane how much a stage two can give you with this engine.
What was the 2 into 1?
These new M8's produce crazy power with just a cam, it's just as much as Harley's high dollar stage kits!
A two into one exhaust
Yes sir! It was the reason behind purchasing an M8 vs. Twin Cam. Happy with my bike as it sits power wise, been focusing on suspension and style lately.
@@dextersuarez9948 I think he meant what brand 2-1 did you get haha
I’ll take the Woods XE ! 👍👍🔥
That is one monster cam! It puts down some crazy impressive numbers!
I can attest to the Wood cam being worth every penny and far better than any SE cam
Wood cams are very hard to beat for all around power production. There only downside is they can be a bit noisier than other cams, but to me the gains are absolutely worth it.
@@GixxerFoo while I miss the traditional Harley "lope," I love that anyone who knows motors and Harleys can tell that my bike is cammed. The only downside i have is the mileage I get when I decide to flog her a bit. My bike has a 3.3 gallon tank. If I'm going down the highway at 80mph I can normally get about 150 miles of range. If I'm riding around town with friends and flogging her a bit, I'll run through a tank in a day. The Wood cam makes her thirsty as hell when you open her up. The trade-off is that with close to 130ft/lbs of torque and close to 120hp depending on the air temp, I'm too busy hanging on to worry about fuel costs. The adrenaline rush and smile i get are worth every penny.
I wish you would have included the HD Stage II torque kit in the comparison. Not just the catalog numbers but by an independent tuner.
🛑🛑 Gix....Great Video and Info👍.
I’m really, really impressed with the Wood XE, however I do believe the S&S Cam would be a “better overall performer”👍💯
You are Wise...Obi One😂👍
The XE is pretty wild, but the S&S has the best all around power.
@@GixxerFoo Horsepower is a number that doesn't mean a thing. Torque is what you feel when you twist the throttle. 22XE any day unless you are more interested in the idle lope, in which case the 475 winds hands down. But the XE has an aggressive lope too.
22xe great for a bagger
That is one mean cam!
TTS-175 in a 114 is showing some great curves and numbers. In my opinion it’s better than all of these cams.
Hey what are your thoughts on the thunder torque inserts? It seems that these things add back some low end torque after putting open in free-flowing exhaust on bikes. No I mean if you’re not going to do a two into one, the idea of these getting some back pressure (or stopping reversion) back into your system makes sense.
Mainly those are used with short drag pipes and in that case I would use them for that situation. But if you've got a full exhaust system just using the standard baffle will work great there.
Had RS 468 & S&S 475. the S&S kicks it and sounds bad ass, love it.
It's amazing what a cam does for the M8 for sound and power, the M8's respond very well to cam swaps!
really? baxter was showing the 468 came on earlier and lasted longer than the 475?
I wish I could talk to you because I have questions;
1. Are these graphs provided by the manufacturer? Because comparisons are out the window because there are too many variables.
2. Like 99.83% of us watching, we're not racing anyone and never go above 3,000 rpm! So, most of these cams are of little value.
3. Not a word from you on perhaps the most import aspect for most of us; SOUND!!! I have plenty of engine on my M8 114 with full exhaust & tune. I want "sound". So, which one sounds the best? That's what I want to know. I've only heard one cam in an M8 which was the HD Screamin' Eagle, and it sounded like stock.
4. The S&S 475 you selected to compare is very popular, but not the highest on torque. That would be the 465. Why didn't you compare that one?
So, with all your information provided, you didn't help me decide which cam to buy. My price estimate for a "bolt on" cam is about $3,000.00!. These numbers of $220.00 for a cam are dishonest.