You don't need to choose between swapping or charging. You can do both and choose which for each use case. If you want, you can be as fast as any petrol car with this EV. Or you could hang it on a charger and enjoy lunch while charging. You don't have that choice with any other EV.
I can't wait to see more of them in Europe, the fact that you can swap battery on a highway, without wasting time, makes their technology stand out! Of course at home, over night, you can use a wall charger.
It makes total sense to have battery swap stations and have them easily changed...maybe like a battery rental company will come about where people lease batteries....a lot of forklifts have easily swappable batteries
But you have to pay a monthly fee for BAAS, what’s that? Do you get to SWAP for free? If not what’s the cost compared to charging? Is this model economical for the person buying the ONVO?
Tesla and other companies will never admit they were wrong, but NIO nailed it, this is the idea that we should have been considering all along, totally makes an EV just as convenient as an internal combustion vehicle. We should have never looked at EVs like a fuel car, needing to go fill up the battery like a fuel tank, such a dumb idea.
100% I mean seriously how hard was it though? Very few trades use corded power tools these days. ICE fuel stations are prime real estate to be retrofitted as swap stations. They already provide a Propane tank swap-n-go system for the same reasons you'd want Li-ion batteries maintained by manufacturers.
I want the same for my iPhone battery. Like 20 years ago; we were free to choose on our mobile phone batteries. Nio is a game changer; imagine the commercial e-vehicles having this simplicity. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The Nio cars can also be plugged in, sucking up electrons as you say, whilst you sit with your mates. Battery swap is an extra option that nobody else has…
well nio also trying to make the process of owning a nio is more special and premium feeling, thats why they are also creating a community around their cars with vip lounges so nio owners can gather on different occasions too.
@@nachocollantes7602 I don't need to like or love the stock. I 100% believe that eventually the stock will follow the company. And the company is doing everything right.
Cheaper batteries that degrade and need replacement after say three or four years. Swapped over at these types of stations. They’ll be safer because the dendrites wouldn’t have grown long enough to short out. That’ll be the game changer. Also, I can see how these systems can be engineered to accept many different batteries and cars as well. It’s only a matter of time before control systems will be extended to most, if not all ev’s.
Best thing is these stations are 100% available as storage for renewable energy WHILE you are driving. Solves two main problems of BEV at once: the wait and unbalance of charge/sunshine.
This is impressive, This is the future, the only solution available to get the whole population inside big cities, where would be impossible to install one charger for one car. Time will demonstrate to other builders this is the way for electrical mobility, Tesla, BMW, Mercedes,.....everyone will have to adopt this technology. Not only fast charger but swaping station replacing current petrol station as a plus...... What I am most than sure, I won't buy a car that doesn't offer this advantage. So for the moment, I would only buy a unique electric car, that its a NIO!! Excelent ideas, congrats NIO you're genius!!!!
Heard that many times the charging can stop, for bad position of the charger or stuff of the sort, so you gotta be aware of how things go, irrespective of apps or whatever that help you check it out…
I thought this would happen some day. Just needs to happen NOW for all EV car/SUV/truck applications. The manufacturers will be slow to embrace it, of other brands, of course.
Swapping out a depleted vehicle battery is no different than swapping out an empty fuel tank with a that's full of fuel or for that matter swapping out a propane tank on a grill when it's empty first by making sure everything is off. The only difference is that everything is done automatically!! A very good idea. No doubt about it. The removed battery immediately get re-charged and you just drive off.
There is another extremely important aspect to this not mentioned - more important than even the convenience of choosing to quick swap or charge. That is that you are now essentially partly insured against the cost of a future battery replacement or failure cost, as this is essentially built into the model (if you start to see signs your battery is not at peak health, you simply swap it out and Nio is then responsible for maintaining it - and you're right back at near 100% battery health). You are also insured against even the risk of battery obsolescence and newer EV battery advancements, as you simply swap in a new tech battery and enjoy better than OE at purchase performance! This makes the risk of owning a Nio much much lower than a comparable Tesla, where you worry not only about battery health and the cost of replacing a battery, but also whether newer advancements in battery tech will leave your Tesla outdated. With the Nio, you swap in newer batteries mitigating both of these issues, leaving just the risk of drivetrain, chassis and exterior and interior degradation (which every car suffers and frankly is a higher concern in traditional ICE cars) This is HUGE for mitigating the largest risk with EV's compared to ICE vehicles, which is powerplant health degradation. Frankly, it even surpasses ICE vehicles in this respect, as while engines do not suffer range degradation the way battery packs do, they do eventually wear out bearings etc, and an engine swap on most vehicles (while nowhere near as expensive as say a Tesla battery swap) is around $5000 or so. Compared to a Tesla where you might find yourself up for $30,000 or more at the same interval that an ICE car would need a $5000 engine swap, this is huge and massively reduces the potential ownership risk and cost associated with this EV. I would take a battery swap EV anyday over a fixed battery EV like a Tesla.
Yes, I’m concerned if there is ice and snow, road salt, and any other contaminants. I could see here in the US, where there are plenty of entitled assholes that do not care about other people’s property, where so many stations would be “Sorry, Out of Service”.
Another reason why it's a good idea is because to me it seems like even a "structural battery pack" by another manufacturer could be developed to be "NIO Battery Swap Station Compatible" after securing a license from NIO of course. Then you'd only need to verify thru their app which swap location had your specific battery.
on that part, you need eu to step in actually to legally force it so each manufacturer follow same standart, like we have standart for many thing without even realising it that not only make live easier for us as customer but also allow step party to go in like a no brand to actually provide/sell the same service for nio car (or any other brand)
My b/f was a maintenance tech for walmart distribution center and they have these electric vehicles there. It is a nightmare. Some stopped in middle of order filling, some didn't hold charge. I hope the car batteries are better.
What a fantastic practical innovation come from China. This idea is even better than Tesla super charge station. The best point is we only have to pay monthly subscription and don't have to worry about the high cost of battery replacement for owning an EV car. 200 % Best 👍🏻😊
Most car companies produce battery packs in a standard skateboard form factor. There is nothing stopping a common standard being introduced for battery packs that manufacturers could adopt in the future. Cars will become more efficient, pack sizes probably won’t need to be much more than 50kWh within a couple years for 400 mile range. That sort of pack size should be possible to fit into a standard that could be installed in all cars. Big inefficient SUV? just install two packs
As much as i love Nio and battery swapping. It's true. Nio won't be able to scale battery swapping because it will only be specific to Nio owners. I don't see other car manufactories changing to a Nio design just to swap the batteries. Although it does give Nio a competitive advantage so hopefully this feature is enough to get more customers to buy Nio! Time will tell!
NIO knows that no other company is going to join their platform that is why they simply are working on their own massmarket brand wich will support the battery swap system and with these cheaper cars they will flood the market and flush the old legacy brands down the toilet where they belong!
I think the tech is amazing. But we need a standard for all electric cars and I don't think that's really going to happen. Especially not when manufacturers implement better battery technologies
This is how electric vehicles should be done for charging. But the process could be streamlined to a like a gas station set up. Where you drive into a spot. You get out & initiate the process. The stall does the rest. You pay @ the stall or go in. Get your stuff & leave. No need for the auto driving part. Just parkin in a spot & the spot can move the car whichever like in this vid to line up. And under ground could be dozens of batteries. And if you place a couple in every city & a couple along highways starting. Then your market for electric cars will go up & will get more & more electric cars on the road. And when you buy the car you're not buying the battery. The battery makers could deal up with government to make the batteries free of charge & you pay for charging & a small service fee for the swap. It would reduce a lot of issues & create a huge market & also be helpful.
how they cool battery pack in their cars? cause if battery pack has fluid cooling, you can forget that battery change in 5 minutes is real. as an EV service technician, i already have some batterypack changes under my belt. usualy you can change the battery in a car in less than a day. in 5 minutse you would be able to just swap that battery if it's already disconected nad drained.
On your last point about battery swaps - not that it has any bearing on the Tesla Semi - you may not be aware that a Chinese company, Nio, already has a business model which provides swift batter swaps and they are extending now into Europe.
why not allow you to pull straight up to the "hotel". seems like a lot of work for the car to do two or three reverses to get into the swapper when it could just pull straight in.
hmm what happens when the battery station is "empty of charged batteries"? It only holds 13 batteries and here in the US those will go pretty fast if this station is in a busy area.
When was the last time you drove into a gas station and saw ONE pump? There could be 6 or 8 of these drive ins together, increasing the supply to over 100 batteries, and regularly replenished like you get a gas tanker into replenish fuel!
@@stephenm5000 That only works if you can charge them faster than you can exchange them. If there's a ev convention in town and you're the only station that can do this what happens when you have 20 batteries in stock and 100 cars waiting?
@@robertcussen8039 Whilst you attend the convention, simply plug your car into the many generators that will be set up for you, all run by diesel generators, like they did at the last COP 27 climate summit LOL
This technology was actually developed in about 2012 by a Palo Alto and Israel based Company called Better Place. It certainly did not originate in China. As I recall Better Place was simply too early with the concept and ran out of Venture funding. The Chinese have simply applied the concepts to NIO. Perhaps, the reality is that the Chinese government will fund ideas for longer time frames than US and European investors will. Tesla has looked at this approach.
Because you want to drop the battery. Without the lift, the car will lift up when you remove the battery (weight taken off) and the car will drop when you are trying to screw the replacement in (weight put on).
I think battery swapping is just brilliant idea. Battery aging is a significant concern for EV owners, as the capacity of lithium-ion batteries tends to degrade over time due to various factors, including temperature fluctuations and charging patterns and battery acing. This degradation results in reduced driving range and overall battery performance.
With swapping out the batteries, NIO can test the quality of a battery before charging it. Because the battery is probably the weak point with EVs, this could really extend the life of the vehicle as after 10 years it would still have a good battery. @@mrm1885
so 20 cent (euro) per KWH, thats not bad, I pay 9.13 cent (USD) at home, or on an EV Go or Chargepoint, its usually 40-some cent (usd). So the price is decent.
I can't see this being a success in the UK. It's great for new car owners who can afford £200 per month, but how is that going to work in the used car market when that monthly charge gets bigger in proportion to the value of the car.
The charge is for the battery charge. Electricity. Doesn't matter if your ev is old or new, if you charge it up, it will cost the same. This actually works really well for people who want to drive an EV but has no home charging and do not want to waste time going to a rapid.
you can choose to just charge. You can charge it just like any other EV. The car won't be written off if the battery fails, that's the game changer. It's a bit obvious really.
All the manufacturers could've done similar options, like that you can get to the dealer and swap batteries like this, when the batteries life are at its end.. That way you can keep the car longer, and you wouldn't have to pay the total price of the car for a battery... This doesn't do much for the environmental aspect of the Ev industry..
Problem with leasing is it's typically more expensive than owning. Probably won't differ with removable batteries. I just want assurance that batteries I own are refurbishable or replaceable at reasonable costs from the manufacturers. This will work for those who cannot charge at home or are pressed for time (ride share).
While this looks very cool. I have to ask a question just as a layman. Why don't they just make modular batteries instead of trying to screw on the entire battery? What I mean is say have eight or sixteen smaller batteries either a person or a machine could replace in unison. Think of it like having batteries in the remote for TV. Just much larger. It would seem to me if they could make that a standard it would be just dealing with a facility where you put your old ones to recharge and get fresh ones loaded in for you and you pay a monthly or yearly revolving charge. I don't know though, this may just not be feasible and I'm not an engineer. While this looks about six times faster than super chargers, it seems like it's a risk to your chasis to do this every time.
changeable EV Batteries are the way forward. A huge market for them. I have solar panels on my rooftop on average we generate over 20kwhs per Day. We use about 4kwhs per day. If I could have say 20 changeable batteries in my carport fully charged and ready to change when I get home. I would Buy say 50 t0100 extra to keep my home power running on No sun days. also, smart business people between Brisbane and Sydney would set up say 12 acres of Solar panels to charge changeable Batteries creating more Business, and sales of changeable Batteries. Ev cars can easily have a Draw between the wheelbase of the car as long as the Car. with a Quick release to open the sealed draw. Each battery will need to have a small Red, Yellow, and Green blub to indicate the state of Charge of the changeable Batteries
In the olden days, you could slide off the back of your Nokia phone, slip in a fully charged battery, and place the 'dead' one on a charger in preparation to put back in phone at a later time. We seem to have lost that ethos with all phones having sealed batteries which need constant charging! Humanity can be really stupid at times...
They got rid of the removable batteries because people didn't upgrade their phones. With sealed batteries, when the battery stops charging, the customer has no choice but to go in and get someone to put a new battery in, but most of the time they get a new phone. The battery issue with EV's will be the same thing as phones.
Man rhis is literally the furure. I dont think theres any other option, its just a matter of time for this system to fit into some kind of cost ecosystem for EV. Theres no other option if EV is to become the dominant tech for transportation
Ngl I don't like the idea of them swapping out a battery when they're very heavy. Can just imagine the machine not reinstalling correctly and it dropping out the bottom on the motorway lol. It's still not as good as petrol fueling
It’s viable, until you need to wait in a 2hr line, only to have it report no fresh batteries left. Or the bottom of your vehicle is covered in ice and snow and causes swap failure.
This is what peeople think they want based on their gas experience, but it's a bad long term plan. Imagine buying an expensive new car, then you go swap the battery out one day with one that may have been abused or is simply bad. Now you're stuck with that battery and you'll never get your original one back that you took care of. Also, this will require many more battery packs to be produced than necessary, and batteries are already one of the limiting factors for EV production numbers. it makes no financial sense to let expensive batteries sit idle waiting for someone to come by and use them. The only way they can fund this sort of thing is by charging you more to cover the cost of the spare batteries and the station. People need to stop treating EVs like gas cars when it comes to "refueling" times. These swap stations will also only work with certain types of vehicles and battery designs and may be broken when you show up to use them. Then what do you do? Tesla can open their network to other EVs and any car can charge at them, and there are usually 8 or more chargers there for multiple redundancies in case one is broken and some are being used. By the time the masses adpot EVs, there will be plenty of charging stations along major routes for road trips, and you need to stop and eat/take breaks anyway.
This is not the future. Everyone chooses to view electric cars as better for the environment but chooses to see how bad electric cars currently are in their production. So much so a tesla does more harm than the average petrol car will do in its lifetime
yes these cars are expansive, BUT I assume that rich people can not afford to wait 6 hours or overnight for their vehicle to be in active mode. Therefore these cars are best for buissy rich people who wants LUXURY EV
Probably can work in China because they can force whatever they want. Small countries in Europe might work but after that it isn't going to scale anywhere else. You'll be living with the battery the car came with for a long time before a local swap station opens in your town.
How does a private company "force" swap stations? Enlighten me pls. They dis however built close to 1k swap stations across china atm. The point is their ev can super charge as well as swap batteries. And in case ypu didnt know the land size of china is identical to the size of the US
Western people be western people believing in that nonsense. It is the EU which is ironically forcing EVs down your throat due to the emissions regulations. If you have no idea about the regs, you are not qualified to comment
"You'll be living with the battery the car came with for a long time"... Well, that happens with almost every electric car so I don't see the complain here. Check how long some Prius owners have gone with their cars without changing the original battery. Nobody is forcing anything here, you still can plug in the car like others and swap the battery in the future for a better one if you like. The swap stations just add convenience to long distance drivers.
Battery swapping is a solution to a problem that is constantly diminishing as charging infrastructure increases, and charging times reduce. You usually have to stop on longer trips for a break anyway. And most people only make longer trips on an occasional basis. Tesla dropped the concept of battery swapping in 2013, in favour of the Supercharger network, which they are now beginning to open up to all makes of EV. I see no long term future in this for the majority. Constantly swapping batteries will eventually lead to reliability issues, with wear on plugs/sockets, fittings etc. It's novel, but it's a solution to a problem most don't actually have. NIO are at the "we need to convince everyone they need this" stage..... And with solid state batteries literally not too far away - Ford and BMW are trialling solid state at the end of this year - then the probability of much increased range will render swapping pointless much of the time. NIO are basically aiming at moving goalposts.
You are forgetting that when the wether turns bad your exepsive electric car is just a toy anymore and the superchargers only give you 10% of what the manufacturer claims bacause the battery is cold. Put on a trailer and the range is One Thord of the original range. This swap system could be a solution for us here in Finland.
@@Brian-om2hh Indeed an excellent option to have a cup of coffee to continue your trip (assume your battery is almost used up). With Nio, however, you'll be worry-free even if you're in the middle of nowhere, as you can get your battery charged up to 600+ miles within 6 mins, no matter what state your battery is, with guaranteed capacity.
You're honestly right. Just like phones and laptops, battery swaps made sense when charging took long and capacity was low. Fast charging and high capacity eliminate that need. Once we get to the point of 200 miles in 5 minutes swapping will be irrelevant for regular cars. The one place where this would still make sense is in motorsports where you need full capacity as quick as possible.
Looks complicated and can see many scenarios of things going wrong. Regardless, to get the juice for a battery, you're still burning fossil fuels at the power plants. How much are you really saving? Already the electric demands are driving up electric rates for everyone, not just the EV folks. I notice that with the city tax, my electric rate in Cali is over 26 cents per KWH. I'm remembering 15 cents not too long ago.
You don't need to choose between swapping or charging. You can do both and choose which for each use case. If you want, you can be as fast as any petrol car with this EV. Or you could hang it on a charger and enjoy lunch while charging. You don't have that choice with any other EV.
I can't wait to see more of them in Europe, the fact that you can swap battery on a highway, without wasting time, makes their technology stand out! Of course at home, over night, you can use a wall charger.
Well said
It makes total sense to have battery swap stations and have them easily changed...maybe like a battery rental company will come about where people lease batteries....a lot of forklifts have easily swappable batteries
But you have to pay a monthly fee for BAAS, what’s that? Do you get to SWAP for free? If not what’s the cost compared to charging? Is this model economical for the person buying the ONVO?
@enqithegod2254 and secondly would you want someone else battery😅? I guess this is me being a bit irrational.
Tesla and other companies will never admit they were wrong, but NIO nailed it, this is the idea that we should have been considering all along, totally makes an EV just as convenient as an internal combustion vehicle. We should have never looked at EVs like a fuel car, needing to go fill up the battery like a fuel tank, such a dumb idea.
Too much Pride
100% I mean seriously how hard was it though? Very few trades use corded power tools these days. ICE fuel stations are prime real estate to be retrofitted as swap stations. They already provide a Propane tank swap-n-go system for the same reasons you'd want Li-ion batteries maintained by manufacturers.
How is your stock doing? Did you admit you were wrong?
This swap thing will become irrelevant as charging speeds increase. This is just to lock people into a subscription fee for life?
I want the same for my iPhone battery. Like 20 years ago; we were free to choose on our mobile phone batteries.
Nio is a game changer; imagine the commercial e-vehicles having this simplicity. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
NIO cars support both charging and swapping, so no difficulty making the decision for me. 😁
The Nio cars can also be plugged in, sucking up electrons as you say, whilst you sit with your mates. Battery swap is an extra option that nobody else has…
But the charging speed is slow
NIO is a monster in the making. Investor since IPO.
In 3 years, Swaping battery stations will be normalized around the world
Me too, was able to double my position at $8.51 a share today.
well nio also trying to make the process of owning a nio is more special and premium feeling, thats why they are also creating a community around their cars with vip lounges so nio owners can gather on different occasions too.
NIO is going global. I love this company! And the stock😉
Me too, I got the stock a while back at half the current rate. Hope it goes to global success
do you really like the stock? uff...what a day...what a year! 😞 let's go NIO!
@@nachocollantes7602 I don't need to like or love the stock. I 100% believe that eventually the stock will follow the company. And the company is doing everything right.
@@Roman-re1yg I hope you are right.
I won't buy any other vehicle than a NIO, this is the future
Cheaper batteries that degrade and need replacement after say three or four years. Swapped over at these types of stations. They’ll be safer because the dendrites wouldn’t have grown long enough to short out. That’ll be the game changer. Also, I can see how these systems can be engineered to accept many different batteries and cars as well. It’s only a matter of time before control systems will be extended to most, if not all ev’s.
Best thing is these stations are 100% available as storage for renewable energy WHILE you are driving. Solves two main problems of BEV at once: the wait and unbalance of charge/sunshine.
This is impressive, This is the future, the only solution available to get the whole population inside big cities, where would be impossible to install one charger for one car. Time will demonstrate to other builders this is the way for electrical mobility, Tesla, BMW, Mercedes,.....everyone will have to adopt this technology. Not only fast charger but swaping station replacing current petrol station as a plus......
What I am most than sure, I won't buy a car that doesn't offer this advantage. So for the moment, I would only buy a unique electric car, that its a NIO!!
Excelent ideas, congrats NIO you're genius!!!!
Sat with your mates... you can be charging as well. it is not a replacement it is an additional option.
Heard that many times the charging can stop, for bad position of the charger or stuff of the sort, so you gotta be aware of how things go, irrespective of apps or whatever that help you check it out…
I thought this would happen some day. Just needs to happen NOW for all EV car/SUV/truck applications. The manufacturers will be slow to embrace it, of other brands, of course.
NIO has more than 800 swap stations in China.
1100 today
. . . . . . NIO nailed it.... only a matter of time before this gets to the US
Swapping out a depleted vehicle battery is no different than swapping out an empty fuel tank with a that's full of fuel or for that matter swapping out a propane tank on a grill when it's empty first by making sure everything is off. The only difference is that everything is done automatically!! A very good idea. No doubt about it. The removed battery immediately get re-charged and you just drive off.
There is another extremely important aspect to this not mentioned - more important than even the convenience of choosing to quick swap or charge.
That is that you are now essentially partly insured against the cost of a future battery replacement or failure cost, as this is essentially built into the model (if you start to see signs your battery is not at peak health, you simply swap it out and Nio is then responsible for maintaining it - and you're right back at near 100% battery health). You are also insured against even the risk of battery obsolescence and newer EV battery advancements, as you simply swap in a new tech battery and enjoy better than OE at purchase performance!
This makes the risk of owning a Nio much much lower than a comparable Tesla, where you worry not only about battery health and the cost of replacing a battery, but also whether newer advancements in battery tech will leave your Tesla outdated.
With the Nio, you swap in newer batteries mitigating both of these issues, leaving just the risk of drivetrain, chassis and exterior and interior degradation (which every car suffers and frankly is a higher concern in traditional ICE cars)
This is HUGE for mitigating the largest risk with EV's compared to ICE vehicles, which is powerplant health degradation. Frankly, it even surpasses ICE vehicles in this respect, as while engines do not suffer range degradation the way battery packs do, they do eventually wear out bearings etc, and an engine swap on most vehicles (while nowhere near as expensive as say a Tesla battery swap) is around $5000 or so.
Compared to a Tesla where you might find yourself up for $30,000 or more at the same interval that an ICE car would need a $5000 engine swap, this is huge and massively reduces the potential ownership risk and cost associated with this EV.
I would take a battery swap EV anyday over a fixed battery EV like a Tesla.
excellent. only the automatic parking in the station is a bit over-engineered. It can be a lot simpler.
Yes, I’m concerned if there is ice and snow, road salt, and any other contaminants. I could see here in the US, where there are plenty of entitled assholes that do not care about other people’s property, where so many stations would be “Sorry, Out of Service”.
235 sensors and 4 computer systems to guide the car in. It's just a matter of time before it fails
Another reason why it's a good idea is because to me it seems like even a "structural battery pack" by another manufacturer could be developed to be "NIO Battery Swap Station Compatible" after securing a license from NIO of course. Then you'd only need to verify thru their app which swap location had your specific battery.
on that part, you need eu to step in actually
to legally force it so each manufacturer follow same standart, like we have standart for many thing without even realising it that not only make live easier for us as customer but also allow step party to go in
like a no brand to actually provide/sell the same service for nio car (or any other brand)
My b/f was a maintenance tech for walmart distribution center and they have these electric vehicles there. It is a nightmare. Some stopped in middle of order filling, some didn't hold charge. I hope the car batteries are better.
What a fantastic practical innovation come from China. This idea is even better than Tesla super charge station. The best point is we only have to pay monthly subscription and don't have to worry about the high cost of battery replacement for owning an EV car. 200 % Best 👍🏻😊
Most car companies produce battery packs in a standard skateboard form factor. There is nothing stopping a common standard being introduced for battery packs that manufacturers could adopt in the future. Cars will become more efficient, pack sizes probably won’t need to be much more than 50kWh within a couple years for 400 mile range. That sort of pack size should be possible to fit into a standard that could be installed in all cars. Big inefficient SUV? just install two packs
As much as i love Nio and battery swapping. It's true. Nio won't be able to scale battery swapping because it will only be specific to Nio owners. I don't see other car manufactories changing to a Nio design just to swap the batteries. Although it does give Nio a competitive advantage so hopefully this feature is enough to get more customers to buy Nio! Time will tell!
NIO knows that no other company is going to join their platform that is why they simply are working on their own massmarket brand wich will support the battery swap system and with these cheaper cars they will flood the market and flush the old legacy brands down the toilet where they belong!
@@emilschulz9888 You know what! I totally forgot about they're mass brand! You have an excellent point!
Human population has to claim builders to adopt this solution, for the best of all of us
The gen 3 swap stations are expected to be able to hold differently sized/ chemistries-third party batteries. Let's hope that comes true!
This needed to be a feature for electric vehicles from the beginning
Tesla don't think so. They dropped the concept of battery swapping in 2013.
I think the tech is amazing. But we need a standard for all electric cars and I don't think that's really going to happen. Especially not when manufacturers implement better battery technologies
well, china has that sorted already. govt there already put up charging and battery swap standards for all companies.
that's acually an easy job; eu
eu already do that for many product, thy just need to get started in this
Can't wait to see them come to the USA
This is how electric vehicles should be done for charging. But the process could be streamlined to a like a gas station set up. Where you drive into a spot. You get out & initiate the process. The stall does the rest. You pay @ the stall or go in. Get your stuff & leave. No need for the auto driving part. Just parkin in a spot & the spot can move the car whichever like in this vid to line up. And under ground could be dozens of batteries. And if you place a couple in every city & a couple along highways starting. Then your market for electric cars will go up & will get more & more electric cars on the road. And when you buy the car you're not buying the battery. The battery makers could deal up with government to make the batteries free of charge & you pay for charging & a small service fee for the swap. It would reduce a lot of issues & create a huge market & also be helpful.
very impressive
how they cool battery pack in their cars? cause if battery pack has fluid cooling, you can forget that battery change in 5 minutes is real. as an EV service technician, i already have some batterypack changes under my belt. usualy you can change the battery in a car in less than a day. in 5 minutse you would be able to just swap that battery if it's already disconected nad drained.
On your last point about battery swaps - not that it has any bearing on the Tesla Semi - you may not be aware that a Chinese company, Nio, already has a business model which provides swift batter swaps and they are extending now into Europe.
why not allow you to pull straight up to the "hotel". seems like a lot of work for the car to do two or three reverses to get into the swapper when it could just pull straight in.
right, I would think doing it like a car wash where you just drive into place would me much simpler
I'm sure you've been to a parking lot. Have you ever seen people park? Trying to get a human to park this precisely would be a nightmare.
hmm what happens when the battery station is "empty of charged batteries"? It only holds 13 batteries and here in the US those will go pretty fast if this station is in a busy area.
When was the last time you drove into a gas station and saw ONE pump? There could be 6 or 8 of these drive ins together, increasing the supply to over 100 batteries, and regularly replenished like you get a gas tanker into replenish fuel!
@@stephenm5000 That only works if you can charge them faster than you can exchange them. If there's a ev convention in town and you're the only station that can do this what happens when you have 20 batteries in stock and 100 cars waiting?
@@robertcussen8039 Whilst you attend the convention, simply plug your car into the many generators that will be set up for you, all run by diesel generators, like they did at the last COP 27 climate summit LOL
All ev companies should get onboard with nio. Then, they can use the battery swapping
This technology was actually developed in about 2012 by a Palo Alto and Israel based Company called Better Place. It certainly did not originate in China. As I recall Better Place was simply too early with the concept and ran out of Venture funding. The Chinese have simply applied the concepts to NIO. Perhaps, the reality is that the Chinese government will fund ideas for longer time frames than US and European investors will. Tesla has looked at this approach.
Rivian should adopt this on their truck platform...
Change the energy source to Aluminium-Air and you have a cleaner, greener, recyclable and more energy dense solution.
This is good news do we don’t need for batteries insulation
Why do they need to lift the car?
Because you want to drop the battery. Without the lift, the car will lift up when you remove the battery (weight taken off) and the car will drop when you are trying to screw the replacement in (weight put on).
These machine may not work if there is little damage on plugs or bolts under the car. It happens often
I think battery swapping is just brilliant idea. Battery aging is a significant concern for EV owners, as the capacity of lithium-ion batteries tends to degrade over time due to various factors, including temperature fluctuations and charging patterns and battery acing. This degradation results in reduced driving range and overall battery performance.
All the swap batterys will age also. You not always gona get a factory new battery swapt in. You will just get somebody elses old battery.
With swapping out the batteries, NIO can test the quality of a battery before charging it. Because the battery is probably the weak point with EVs, this could really extend the life of the vehicle as after 10 years it would still have a good battery.
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so 20 cent (euro) per KWH, thats not bad, I pay 9.13 cent (USD) at home, or on an EV Go or Chargepoint, its usually 40-some cent (usd). So the price is decent.
I can't see this being a success in the UK. It's great for new car owners who can afford £200 per month, but how is that going to work in the used car market when that monthly charge gets bigger in proportion to the value of the car.
you don't have to swap...it's just an option. You can still do the "traditional" charging.
The charge is for the battery charge. Electricity. Doesn't matter if your ev is old or new, if you charge it up, it will cost the same.
This actually works really well for people who want to drive an EV but has no home charging and do not want to waste time going to a rapid.
WHY. CANT. U. MAKE. A. CAR. THAT. CHARGES. ITSELF. AS. IT. RUNS. ???
you can choose to just charge. You can charge it just like any other EV. The car won't be written off if the battery fails, that's the game changer. It's a bit obvious really.
All the manufacturers could've done similar options, like that you can get to the dealer and swap batteries like this, when the batteries life are at its end.. That way you can keep the car longer, and you wouldn't have to pay the total price of the car for a battery... This doesn't do much for the environmental aspect of the Ev industry..
And they would never have done this if it didn't net them more revenue either...
Do you get a refund on the battery level remaining in your car before swapping?
My guess would be no.......
Yes you pay for the differnce👍
Problem with leasing is it's typically more expensive than owning.
Probably won't differ with removable batteries.
I just want assurance that batteries I own are refurbishable or replaceable at reasonable costs from the manufacturers.
This will work for those who cannot charge at home or are pressed for time (ride share).
I love NIO
Very nice battery swapping
the best technology, time is the most valuable now.I will sell the Tesla, I don't have time to spend hours at the charging station
While this looks very cool. I have to ask a question just as a layman. Why don't they just make modular batteries instead of trying to screw on the entire battery? What I mean is say have eight or sixteen smaller batteries either a person or a machine could replace in unison. Think of it like having batteries in the remote for TV. Just much larger. It would seem to me if they could make that a standard it would be just dealing with a facility where you put your old ones to recharge and get fresh ones loaded in for you and you pay a monthly or yearly revolving charge. I don't know though, this may just not be feasible and I'm not an engineer. While this looks about six times faster than super chargers, it seems like it's a risk to your chasis to do this every time.
Ya I said this like 5 years ago
changeable EV Batteries are the way forward. A huge market for them. I have solar panels on my rooftop on average we generate over 20kwhs per Day. We use about 4kwhs per day. If I could have say 20 changeable batteries in my carport fully charged and ready to change when I get home. I would Buy say 50 t0100 extra to keep my home power running on No sun days. also, smart business people between Brisbane and Sydney would set up say 12 acres of Solar panels to charge changeable Batteries creating more Business, and sales of changeable Batteries. Ev cars can easily have a Draw between the wheelbase of the car as long as the Car. with a Quick release to open the sealed draw. Each battery will need to have a small Red, Yellow, and Green blub to indicate the state of Charge of the changeable Batteries
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In the olden days, you could slide off the back of your Nokia phone, slip in a fully charged battery, and place the 'dead' one on a charger in preparation to put back in phone at a later time. We seem to have lost that ethos with all phones having sealed batteries which need constant charging! Humanity can be really stupid at times...
They got rid of the removable batteries because people didn't upgrade their phones. With sealed batteries, when the battery stops charging, the customer has no choice but to go in and get someone to put a new battery in, but most of the time they get a new phone.
The battery issue with EV's will be the same thing as phones.
Man rhis is literally the furure. I dont think theres any other option, its just a matter of time for this system to fit into some kind of cost ecosystem for EV. Theres no other option if EV is to become the dominant tech for transportation
Ngl I don't like the idea of them swapping out a battery when they're very heavy. Can just imagine the machine not reinstalling correctly and it dropping out the bottom on the motorway lol. It's still not as good as petrol fueling
It’s viable, until you need to wait in a 2hr line, only to have it report no fresh batteries left. Or the bottom of your vehicle is covered in ice and snow and causes swap failure.
yesssssss!
it tracks ewe too
That conclusion is so biased. Other manufacturers can do the same or lose customers. Ideally the batteries and swapping should be standardized.
This is not new, ten years ago it was the company "Better Place" presenting a similar technology.
And where are they now?
@@Calderonreyna92 I don't know, if I'm right than it was a startup from Israel.
NO. ONE. IS. GOING. TO. BUILD THIS. CHARGING. CENTER. EXCEPT
NIO. WOULD. COST. 500,000
PER. CENTER.
AND. NO. RETURN
ON. THE. INVESTMENT. !!
This is what peeople think they want based on their gas experience, but it's a bad long term plan. Imagine buying an expensive new car, then you go swap the battery out one day with one that may have been abused or is simply bad. Now you're stuck with that battery and you'll never get your original one back that you took care of. Also, this will require many more battery packs to be produced than necessary, and batteries are already one of the limiting factors for EV production numbers. it makes no financial sense to let expensive batteries sit idle waiting for someone to come by and use them. The only way they can fund this sort of thing is by charging you more to cover the cost of the spare batteries and the station. People need to stop treating EVs like gas cars when it comes to "refueling" times. These swap stations will also only work with certain types of vehicles and battery designs and may be broken when you show up to use them. Then what do you do? Tesla can open their network to other EVs and any car can charge at them, and there are usually 8 or more chargers there for multiple redundancies in case one is broken and some are being used. By the time the masses adpot EVs, there will be plenty of charging stations along major routes for road trips, and you need to stop and eat/take breaks anyway.
Elon musk and shay Agassi have try this before, it not gonna work comertialy
They could only figure out how to make a prototype. Nio got it to scale
They never did I think. At least that's what this guy is saying. ua-cam.com/video/35NT_ZSbik8/v-deo.html
Back to the western times to change your horses at the stage/relay station. Will never work, unaffordable.
This is not the future. Everyone chooses to view electric cars as better for the environment but chooses to see how bad electric cars currently are in their production. So much so a tesla does more harm than the average petrol car will do in its lifetime
yes these cars are expansive, BUT I assume that rich people can not afford to wait 6 hours or overnight for their vehicle to be in active mode. Therefore these cars are best for buissy rich people who wants LUXURY EV
Probably can work in China because they can force whatever they want. Small countries in Europe might work but after that it isn't going to scale anywhere else. You'll be living with the battery the car came with for a long time before a local swap station opens in your town.
How does a private company "force" swap stations? Enlighten me pls. They dis however built close to 1k swap stations across china atm. The point is their ev can super charge as well as swap batteries. And in case ypu didnt know the land size of china is identical to the size of the US
Western people be western people believing in that nonsense. It is the EU which is ironically forcing EVs down your throat due to the emissions regulations.
If you have no idea about the regs, you are not qualified to comment
"You'll be living with the battery the car came with for a long time"... Well, that happens with almost every electric car so I don't see the complain here. Check how long some Prius owners have gone with their cars without changing the original battery. Nobody is forcing anything here, you still can plug in the car like others and swap the battery in the future for a better one if you like. The swap stations just add convenience to long distance drivers.
Christ has any comment in this comment section been written by an actual human?
Battery swapping is a solution to a problem that is constantly diminishing as charging infrastructure increases, and charging times reduce. You usually have to stop on longer trips for a break anyway. And most people only make longer trips on an occasional basis. Tesla dropped the concept of battery swapping in 2013, in favour of the Supercharger network, which they are now beginning to open up to all makes of EV. I see no long term future in this for the majority. Constantly swapping batteries will eventually lead to reliability issues, with wear on plugs/sockets, fittings etc. It's novel, but it's a solution to a problem most don't actually have. NIO are at the "we need to convince everyone they need this" stage..... And with solid state batteries literally not too far away - Ford and BMW are trialling solid state at the end of this year - then the probability of much increased range will render swapping pointless much of the time. NIO are basically aiming at moving goalposts.
You are forgetting that when the wether turns bad your exepsive electric car is just a toy anymore and the superchargers only give you 10% of what the manufacturer claims bacause the battery is cold. Put on a trailer and the range is One Thord of the original range. This swap system could be a solution for us here in Finland.
When will the super chargers be able to charge cars within 10 minutes？
@@nobigdealllll Well right now, Tesla Superchargers can manage to add 200+ miles of range in 15 minutes, if that's any good.
@@Brian-om2hh Indeed an excellent option to have a cup of coffee to continue your trip (assume your battery is almost used up). With Nio, however, you'll be worry-free even if you're in the middle of nowhere, as you can get your battery charged up to 600+ miles within 6 mins, no matter what state your battery is, with guaranteed capacity.
You're honestly right. Just like phones and laptops, battery swaps made sense when charging took long and capacity was low. Fast charging and high capacity eliminate that need. Once we get to the point of 200 miles in 5 minutes swapping will be irrelevant for regular cars.
The one place where this would still make sense is in motorsports where you need full capacity as quick as possible.
Looks complicated and can see many scenarios of things going wrong. Regardless, to get the juice for a battery, you're still burning fossil fuels at the power plants. How much are you really saving? Already the electric demands are driving up electric rates for everyone, not just the EV folks. I notice that with the city tax, my electric rate in Cali is over 26 cents per KWH. I'm remembering 15 cents not too long ago.
Better thæn tesla🤷♂️