HUGE problem with EV Charging Stations that no one mentions | MGUY Australia
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I hate the idea of EVs but I’m all fairness you should have mention the solution of storage batteries at charging station that allows a buffer of power the same as a 20 or 40k litres of fuel in an underground tank . You could then delve into the potential hazard of fire risk of the batteries at the charging station moreover in a combined petrol / charging station.thus presenting a more complete argument against EVs
Yes, very fair point although as you say if you think EV batteries are bad, how about an entire container full of them?
And then you have to address the heat risk that charging and discharging that the batteries and wires would have putting more pressure on the electrical grid (unless you have diesel generation supplement)
You should look up the mega battery fire in Queensland, AUS.
Don't forget the round-trip energy-efficiency factor of lithium batteries. Under a range of operating conditions, one might expect a battery's electricity offtake from the grid to exceed electricity delivered to the cars by about 20%.
If the "servo" has to install batteries you sure as hell aren't going to get a cheap charge.
A friend's son who is an electrician recently got a call to a company that were replacing their vehicles with ev's. He was asked to give them a quote to install on-site chargers, they were shocked when he advised them there wasn't enough power to their business to run the chargers.
He was referring to them not having enough space in the electrical panels on the sight to add more circuits. That’s not uncommon. The fix would be to add a sub panel feeding off the existing panel but you can only pull so much from that also. Additionally in a typical commercial building the transformer feeding the building itself might not be enough, I’d say a study would have to be preformed by the power company to determine that. Most transformers are old and haven’t been updated. When a business moves into a location they don’t update things like this to accommodate for things they want as it’s expensive. They typically make everything look pretty and put lipstick on a pig, this is true for a used sight when the previous owner went out of business and the new folks move in. Just my two cents.
Nice pun..."shocked".. lol
I am a design engineer for the local electrical company, we have hundred of businesses now applying for upgrades to their supply because they want to change over to EV for their new fleet of companies vehicles.
In most cases the power required for the new proposed EV charging is bigger than the load they are currently using to run their entire factory.
And on top of this the costs are increasing because the existing network cannot cope with the extra power that is needed without major upgrades.
In one case a certain elite expensive car company are going to change their entire fleet of heavy goods arctic delivery lorries that supplies the parts to their car factory to EV.
So at their storage plant where the new EV lorries will park overnight they are asking for enough power equivalent to what a small town or large village would use.
So we will need to upgrade the electrical network in that part of the city to be able to cope with it.
We are still trying to work out how to do it …. but the current estimate of costs is about £350,000 worth of work just to make the network strong enough to cope with their new power demand.
@@Bill308A10 Maybe he meant the cable supplying the business was not big enough to carry the extra power. This happened in districts of London where 'shock horror' people were told they could not charge their EV because the power supply to their area was not big enough. There is not an endless supply of electricity to feed these EV... in fact power outages are becoming more and more common in our area, pretty much twice a week now.
The electrical networks are no where close to being sufficient to provide enough power to charge en masse. It’s all a pipe dream.
If the EV was a viable alternative form of transport, the government wouldn't need legislation to force people into buying them.
Bingo.
They did not have to ban the horse when Ford model T became available did they.
Like solar panels and wind turbines. If they were really the economic saviour government says they are, then they would be adopted by the market. Anything the government has to subsidise usually isn't a good idea.
What he said, no subsidy for an electric bomb
@@Hunty49 hahahaha, industry is going into solar and wind big time, massive investment by industry.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! There are so many things wrong with the rush to EV vehicles that only ignorant politicians could be enthusiastic about making them mandatory.
Not so much the politicians who want to enforce the electric vehicle scam. It's the wef members who are running that particular racket. Actually, they are running all of the rackets formerly operated by the mafia 😳. The rackets are still in operation, it's just the players who have changed. Instead of the 5 families of organized crime, it's the Federal crime syndicate/government controlled by the wef leftist woke gangsters.
Should have kept the horse.
Decades for petrol stations to become common, 50 years before the first motorway.
10 years of EVs, it all takes time.
WHAT happens when the power goes out, like it did recently in my neck of the woods...for 10 days !!
No power, no pumping fuel , no charging ev , no accessing money via card...SOLUTION...keep cash handy , keep fuel car , keep praying for common sense to prevail , keep voicing our concerns, and keep supporting channels like this . Thankyou one and all for the good work you do 💜
That's why it is important to have solar and a battery at every charger where possible. I have this exact scenario at home, and every time the grid goes offline, my battery powers the house for days.
There is a charging station in my nearby grocery store parking lot. Last night (Friday evening at 9 PM) I was doing my shopping and saw that there were approximately 10 EVs in line waiting for their turns at one of the approximately 10 chargers. Assuming each car takes half an hour to charge and there were about 10 chargers, the wait time in line to charge one's car was about 30 minutes, followed by another 30 minutes to actually charge one's car. What a great way to spend one's Friday night!
Ridiculous…!
People who own EVs mustn’t have a social life ..
If you have time to wait around for vehicles to charge you need to seriously look at your life choices…
That's what you get when you put in a low rate charger with free parking attached....
Electric vehicles were made to be charged not at Supermarkets not at casino not anywhere but at home....what a concept......and idiots bought the government's plan for cleaner energy what a scam.......anything the government decides what would b good for you isn't....😮😮😮
Electric vehicles were made to be charged not at Supermarkets not at casino not anywhere but at home....what a concept......and idiots bought the government's plan for cleaner energy what a scam.......anything the government decides what would b good for you isn't....😮😮😮
There is an EV battery factory in Kentucky, that is powered by a coal-fuelled power station.
And one day it won't be.
@@nevillewran4083One day it'll probably be a smoking crater.
Yet the Gigafactory in Nevada has no real viable option to use Coal powered stations. The entire south west region simply does not have good coal supply. Who'd thunk you could run Battery Factories without Coal fired plants.
Producing a battery is only a small part of the energy it will hold during it's lifetime, as they can do over 1.200 fully charging cycles (LFP even over 3.500 full charging cycles) before capacity gets too low for a car.
@@NeojhunThere are currently four active coal power plant proposals in Nevada, totaling 4,050 MW, which would more than double Nevada's existing coal-fired energy capacity. Nevada ranks 33rd out of the 50 states in terms of coal energy production.
Noticed this issue a couple of weeks ago. A dealership with only four carpark chargers only able to use only two during opening hours hours otherwise the workshop and showroom power supply would shutdown. 😮
where exactly?
@@Veikra United Kingdom, so I would expect that the electrical infrastructure supply should be able to cope. (not in a isolated area). 🤔
Whoever did their install hasn't done a good job. The chargers should be able to scale down current based on availability
@@StephenDeTomasi Yeah, so then you will leave your car to charge for twice the time......this reminds me of those 80s joke about having imported cars 1 week on the street and 2 months on the repair shop.........the joke came back, in the form of a EV
@@StephenDeTomasi no some sales guy said you need 4 chargers ,
they didn't talk to a electrician first
In my city most of the EV chargers have had their cables hacksawed off by local criminals so charging times and capacity are no longer a problem.
Please tell me why? I don't get it. Resale? Spite?
@@napalmholocaust9093 COME TO south AFRICA AND FIND OUT ABOUT COPPER THEFT FOR SCRAP TO EXPORT TO CHINA
Meth addiction comes with a fascination of precious metals, copper and aluminium being favourites.
Easy solution keep the power applied😅
@@napalmholocaust9093 Probably for $10 worth of copper wire. I own a couple of commercial buildings and have had air conditioning units destroyed for scrap metal.
I've always called the EV a solution in search of a problem. I have not changed my mind.
Spot on! Agreed 💯
It's actually a problem that needs a solution.
What EV owners LOVE: Makes them feel smarter than you
What they hate: Charging their cars
DUHHH!
I'm not apposed to EVs at all. They are great; however, too many people are pretending that they can do things that they can't do. They would be ideal for commuting to work and for groceries. Just plug it in when you get home. Want to drive from Eastern Montana to South East Wyoming? Not gonna happen.
EVs are great but not for everyone. I have had one with now over 100k miles, no oil changes, no gas, no maintenance except for tires. I have a gas car and a Diesel SUV also that cost quite a bit more to operate. If you can charge at home, people should get an EV for commuting and day to day stuff .... they are great. ;) Plus they are comparatively faster, and my EV drives the same as if it was brand new.
The best way to make sure every ev can charge when wanted is to have a diesel powered generator that starts when charging is required- the more charge points the more diesel powered generators are needed- keep it green - you know it makes sense because a politician said so
Haha!
@@sjb3460 What shame and why?
LOL the same concept of so-called "wind power" which is operated by Diesel power
Strange, we make use of s grid that is already 50 percent renewables and increasing. What very strange and bizarre ideas you have! But then your EV hatred means you lost your marbles.
@@RAM_845 No, wind turbines are operated by wind, you strange person.
You can always get somebody to go ahead of you and hold your place in line. I hear that’s very popular amongst politicians. Especially ones that are pushing electric vehicles. Thanks for the info. I was peripherally aware of this, but now I am more so.
You heard that one also?? LOL!!
I love this so much. When I drive past these ridiculous stations, I just laugh out loud.
me too LOL
I know so ridiculous right? Real Americans have gas pumps installed at home and drive a big V8. Can't let EVs have all the fun with fueling their vehicles at home!
Hi, recent subscriber when I saw the thumb nail pic for this vid. Im an ASP electrician working for a company that builds these sites an installs these chargers. We've done Tesla sites with up to 12 chargers requiring 4 super chargers to feed them. More commonly we do 1-2 chargers at Ampol service stations. Both situations require a larger electrical supply to the sites which is regulated by that area's network distributors. Ampol are installing massive solar systems with BESS battery systems to compensate a little. The amount of power needed to charge these vehicles in a reasonable time is rediculass! And electricity is nowhere near being produced in an environmentally friendly way enough to sustain EV vehicles.
And people's response to this is to add more solar and more batteries to the grid....
But it's green. IT'S SO GREEN! LOL
This proves politicians don’t have a lick of common sense. They can’t see beyond the end of the lobbyist’s nose.
Every summer we have brownouts in hot weather and scheduled blackouts where senior citizens (some of which die as a result) and people that have medical issues suffer. Who is going to decide who gets the limited electrical resources when there is a plethora of electric cars demanding to be charged in these situations? Will charging stations be refused electricity in these situations?
What about electric emergency vehicles in these situations?
Ridiculous.
@@mrow7598
@@mrow7598 And anyone that thinks solar cells and batteries are "environmentally friendly" is delusional.
Lee McMaster just reported this, he was in Scotland at a four charger, with four EVs and they realized that they could not all charge at one time, so they had to reduce to just two EVs. This makes sense, thanks for your video.
Yes I saw that and thought if it when watching this video.
@@josiecoote8975 We'll continue to suffer. All for the creation of an electricity energy monopoly so the elites can get richer WHILE STILL REQUIRING FOSSIL FUELS TO GENERATE THE REQUIRED ELECTRICITY!!! Madness.
But if there was a 40ft container full of charged ex-EV batteries recycled as storage (like a tank at a service station)...
then they could all charge at once.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkand if unicorns were real, we would all have flying horses.
I am a design engineer for the local electrical company, we have hundred of businesses now applying for upgrades to their supply because they want to change over to EV for their new fleet of companies vehicles.
In most cases the power required for the new proposed EV charging is bigger than the load they are currently using to run their entire factory.
And on top of this the costs are increasing because the existing network cannot cope with the extra power that is needed without major upgrades.
In one case a certain elite expensive car company are going to change their entire fleet of heavy goods arctic delivery lorries that supplies the parts to their car factory to EV.
So at their storage plant where the new EV lorries will park overnight they are asking for enough power equivalent to what a small town or large village would use.
So we will need to upgrade the electrical network in that part of the city to be able to cope with it.
We are still trying to work out how to do it …. but the current estimate of costs is about £350,000 worth of work just to make the network strong enough to cope with their new power
You Sir are Very Correct about that being an Extremely Huge Problem That those people in GOVERNMENTS Just Don't Understand or Comprehend How a Charging Station Works because like you said the More EVS that are There Charging at the Same Time it's JUST Going to Take that MUCH Longer for ALL of them to Become FULLY Charged To FULL Capacity!
They do know, they dont care because just shout 'climate change' and the sheep vote
Thank you for solid rational, testing limits, and sensible understanding.
There's another advantage of the tank. It's simple infrastructure that can be set up in the middle of nowhere. Just have a tanker drive by and fill it regularly and you're good to go. With EVs you need the entire infrastructure to generate electricity on the spot or connect to the grid, which might be really expensive if you're out in the boonies.
That is exactly what trucking companies do when their trucks are mostly in the yard at night, a refueling service come around and top up every truck.
And the grid is powered by fossil fuel defeating the entire object/issue!
@@suzanneberger8202 Maybe get educated on the issue before shooting your foot. Currently 20+% of US grid is powered by renewable energy. And even the part that is still fossil generates power way more efficiently than individual combustion engines due to their much larger scale.
@@erichop822 So that implies 80 percent of the grid is fueled by fossil fuels... So unless your home is off the grid, your EV is most likely being charged from a 80 percent fossil fuel fueled grid... Your EV isn't really emission free, is it?
@@ronclark9724 Your EV is. Your power generation isn't. Yet. These numbers are changing rapidly at the moment. There are already lots of people charging their EV at home from solar. 20% was a pipe dream only 2 decades ago. And with every new green energy source installed the numbers become better. For all EVs. Meanwhile the numbers for petrol cars hardly improve in the US due to lax fuel efficiency laws. Lobbying works, it seems.
As I've repeatedly told people, EVs are only *half* a solution (at best). The other half of the solution would be improving the power grid. However, since the same people insisting we switch to EVs are the same ones that are against us expanding our power grid, then EVs will instead be nothing but a new problem adding to existing problems.
Nice word salad.
If China can do it, why not Australia?
It is time for people to put away their prejudices, get off the high horses, and learn from facts.
Can you mention any EV user who said he was against expanding the power grid?
Good thing that 90% of the power generated is done so with fossil fuels, b/c clean efficient nuclear power is too scawwy. Green vehicles my fat a$$.
To switch us all to EV's, the capacity of the power grid will have to at least double.
Never mind all the issues with charging.
Never going to happen short of mythological level improvements in power generation and battery technology.
Good point ! I don't know why I never thought of that ! Perhaps they need to include a risk vs benefit disclosure before purchasing an EV !
Time for a restraining order with serious repercussions for politicians who are forcibly pushing this economic and environmental disaster on us
They're not only pushing the BS but actively engaged in banning and canceling all other viable alternatives
I'm sick of subsidizing this nonsense
Yes a risk vs benefit comparison will always favor an ICE car.
A huge problem is security at charging stations, especially in Metro areas. Currently, if you live in a metro area you and try to charge, there is a good chance that you might get assaulted…..least case scenario is that somebody taps on your windshield and demands money, aggressive panhandlers demanding money. Usually a $20 bill will take care of that. But when you go outside to remove the charging cable you could get attacked and robbed and in my opinion it is not worth the risk of owning an EV.
Thats not an EV problem that is a societal/policing problem, you stand the same chances with an ICE vehicle under these circumstances
@davedixon2068 with a gas pump you can drive off in an emergency situation without pulling the nozzle out first or leaving the vehicle. They are designed with a break away point and valve (the silver swivel joint in every fuel hose) to stop the flow of fuel automatically. That isn't an option with an EV. The chargers lock to the vehicle and the car won't let you leave without manually uncoupling. Even if it did, it would likely do significant damage to the EV and or charging station. Totally different from a fuel hose that is designed to pull apart without damaging anything and is easy to repair without a specialist.
@@Noah_E no reason why a simple breakaway cant be put on a EV charger and a simple switch system operated from inside the car to allow the car to move in an emergency. problem solved!
Except for the thieves who would steal the cables for the copper wire. @@davedixon2068
Good point! Waiting somewhere in the middle of the night is not the safest thing to do. They will push security even more to tackle this issue, tracking, monitoring, etc.
In Britain, over the Xmas period waiting times of up to six hours have been reported. Sitting in your car for many hours with the heater going in the wonderful British weather will drain the battery even further, thus taking longer to charge. Imagine your battery is getting low and the motorway that you are on has a car crash blocking traffic and you are sitting there watching the gauge falling and the charging station far away.
The weather is always a problem in the UK because there are only two seasons a year, August and Winter.
Thanks for another great video.
Ditto siting in your ICE when you failed to fill up and keep the tank above half like your father told you to do......
The fuel gauge on my car gives me an accurate reading, unlike the multitude of Tela owner who discover that their read-out is a myth. @@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq Nope. A gasoline car can idle for a long time on a little fuel. Plus you can turn the car on and off. The hot engine can provide a lot of heat. The EV can't do that.
Better yet, Just Stop Oil joins the party! What could be better?
Happened in the USA last year heavy snowfalls and roads were unaccessible - what the media kept very quiet was the stranded ICE car drivers remained safe by leaving their cars on tick over with the heaters running without any problems whereas the EV cars batteries were drained and due cold and them to being stranded as a result a large number EV drivers actually froze to death before the rescue vehicles could get to them while all ICE car drivers returned home safely.
This takes range anxiety to a whole new level.
Remember our government has become totalitarian in nature (Democrats and Republicans ) against the people and getting worse every day. A totalitarian government most fears a well armed citizenry and a mobile one. They are already every day trying to take our guns and ammo away from us, and an all EV country severely limits out ability to be mobile and travel with any ease. Cost to buy and EV is now and will be way too high as will the electricity to power them.
I've realized that it seems the "powers that be" who are profiting from all this nonsense WANT us regular citizens to move back into the city if they force us to buy these stupid cars, not go anywhere, not travel to other states to see families, etc. Easier to control the masses, perhaps??? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
To me, the way to eliminate range anxiety and a host of other problems would be to standardize batteries and engineer them to be swapped out quickly. The same way you'd swap out a battery in your drill or screw gun. Except, instead of charging stations, you'd have swapping stations where you pull up and your worn down battery is swapped out for a fully charged one, which could be done with an automated (robotic) system, and by my estimation, in the same time that it takes you to fill a car with gasoline. Pending some technological breakthrough, this is the only way range anxiety and charging issues are going away. But it's unlikely to happen.
@@jasonhaynes2952 Um..................and just what would the COST be for EACH battery??????? Cause right now, when they quit working, they cost an average of $6,000 to $7,000 a piece right now. Again, NOT FEASIBLE. This green grift is only enriching the elitists and politicians and other countries. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
I don't think it would ever work. those batteries are massive and the swapping technology would take more time than charging the battery. The swapping stations at Interstate rest stops would take up massive amounts of land too. In urban areas the land issue becomes quite problematic too. Especially if a traveler has to empty all their luggage so the robot an get to the battery. The robotic charging/swapping stations would add massive costs to the already expensive infrastructure costs, via its own power usage and the large number of mechanics needed to maintain the robotics. Also remember these batteries have a finite life and the range of the vehicle is dependent on how new the battery is. The older it gets, the less distance it goes. Swapped batteries could be a real nighmare! Just like they eventually become on cordless tools.
I've worked on robotic mfg equipment and though very efficient they represent their own high maintenance and repair costs. @@jasonhaynes2952
Just a tidbit of additional information. I'm drawing this from memory.
In the US, the pumps for gasoline (petrol) are regulated and limited at about 10 US gal per minute (most stations have them set a bit lower, say 8 gals per minute.) Truck stations (for over-the-road "big" rigs) pumping diesel, have different regulations. (Something like double the flow rate.)
Truckers have different fuel tanks designed to easily handle that flow rate. On autos that would be a disaster since their tanks must fill through restrictive filler necks with anti-rollover check valves and fuel nozzle restrictors (though leaded gas is mostly a memory except for racing and generaly aviation).
And your point is...?
@@captainpugwash3791 - Watch the vid again. You MIGHT get it on the 2nd (or 20th) viewing.
You are correct. The big diesel pumps are regulated at 34 gallons per minute.
In the U.S.
Yea, 8-10 gal/min (GPM), (10 is the legal limit) but the standard commercial gasoline pumps can do 35 to 50 GPM if they weren't restricted. (the specs vary- 35 GPM is most common standard and max for most). I ran gas stations many years.
At 35 GPM it would be like a small fire-hose and it would have to held in the tank with force and some people could not control it.
I forget the diesel figures,
Here in the US the “transition” to EVs has come to a natural stall, the people that can afford, use, and want an EV have them. Everyone knows someone with an EV so real world experiences are being shared and they’re meh at best.
A trucking company in a town in Illinois wanted to switch over to electric trucks but when they presented their proposal to the town they were were told no. They would have needed more power than the whole town was using and the grid would not support that.
I am a design engineer for the local electrical company in England, we have hundred of businesses now applying for upgrades to their supply because they want to change over to EV for their new fleet of companies vehicles.
In most cases the power required for the new proposed EV charging is bigger than the load they are currently using to run their entire factory.
And on top of this the costs are increasing because the existing network cannot cope with the extra power that is needed without major upgrades.
In one case a certain elite expensive car company are going to change their entire fleet of heavy goods arctic delivery lorries that supplies the parts to their car factory to EV.
So at their storage plant where the new EV lorries will park overnight they are asking for enough power equivalent to what a small town or large village would use.
So we will need to upgrade the electrical network in that part of the city to be able to cope with it.
We are still trying to work out how to do it …. but the current estimate of costs is about £350,000 worth of work just to make the network strong enough to cope with their new power demands.
And that is without the costs of installing the EV charger equipment itself
And the electricity source is ~70% fossil fuel - so what is the point?@@robg521
Same thing happened in New York
That is simply not true unless the town was a necropolis.
@@rbdogwood ua-cam.com/video/aCoAsPtgRKg/v-deo.htmlsi=w-vv3BQvc7wvfs9i There’s a link to a UA-cam video for you. If you still don’t believe do some research of your own. What would happen if everything was electric and the switch was being made over to fossil fuels? Look at the existing infrastructure we have for this including refineries. All the energy currently being produced by fossil fuels needs to be replaced by electricity and it’s just not possible to do that overnight.
I've often considered this exact issue. I work where there are 7 EV chargers. Often, all are being used at the same time. So, if all 7 are in use at the same time It must take longer for vehicle charging to take place since there is only so much power provided from the grid. It's as if a small garden hose is expected to supply a huge amount of water to fill a 40,000 gallon swimming pool.
NOt really its lame video, he purposely left out battery packs which is the same as having a tank under ground
@@danmosby7980 Do the math, battery packs are expensive, take a lot of space, have limited capacity, have a limited life span and pollute the environment to manufacture and dispose of.
The math says EV carbon neutral after 13000Km, Battery are smaller than every tank of gas used by ICE there after for decades. Solar energy price decrease every year. cost of petrol extraction goes up every year. Simple for ya@@philcook9967
@@danmosby7980 No it isn't. 🤦🏽
@@danmosby7980you will find that very few charging stations have battery banks because it would rapidlly become the most expensive part of the whole installation. Underground tanks, per unit of power stored are cheap, a minor part of the cost of a filling station.
I have owned 4 EV's in the last four decades and can say you have been consistently correct in your videos.
Um... why would you keep buying them?
@@disbeafakename167 I haven't bought any of the newer ones since Tesla came to be. The new technology is no longer user friendly or affordable.
Interesting stuff and is bound to happen and the simple truth is often overlooked and that is that people are having trouble trying to feed their families and their budgets don't include buying a 30 to 60 thousand dollar EV so only the rich will have them and they don't drive themselves anyway~!!! I am a new subscriber today after watching your informative video~!
Surprising that none of our Government's or motoring
organisations mention this.
Probably because they are not in the business of anti-EV hysteria.
I've been trying to enlighten the zealots on chat sites for years. They cannot believe that I, a simple tradesman, can know more than they.
Because it's factually wrong and ignorant of existing technology. If motoring organizations started publishing falsehoods I would hope they suffer consequence for it. But I guess there are many people like you who would eat it up. So I don't know anymore.
@@mikebreen2890 "anti-EV hysteria."
You mean physics? The required energy infrastructure to support a majority EV transport fleet will be more than DOUBLE the entire national infrastructure is now. Where is this coming from and who is paying for it? No amount of pretending that this isn't a huge expensive problem will make that go away
@@billthomas635I’m a tradie and battle the same EV zealots that seem to know sooo much more than this humble tradie…
Go figure
The tank has a central submerged pump that feeds fuel to each gas "pump" which is actually a metering station with a card transaction device as a point of sale device. The individual pump went out of use decades ago. Also, in the US, one of our government bureaucrats decided on a road trip in her EV. She had her staff block charging lanes so that she wouldn't have to wait in line. Great PR for EVs.
I'd love to see a link to that news article. :-)
@@darrennew8211 Did you find the news article?
@@cabot100 I didn't look. I don't care *that* much, mainly because I'm not the least bit surprised. Had someone actually given a name or a date or something I might have bothered. :-)
@@darrennew8211 do you not know how to do a search on the internet?
Perhaps you are simply lazy?
@@cabot100 There's a difference between being lazy and doing work whose outcome you don't care about. Why don't *you* do it if you're interested in the answer? Are you just a parasite?
An even bigger problem is not having a away to charge your vehicle at home. If you live in the inner city, or in a condo, or apartment complex or you park you car in a parking garage, you must schedule an hour or two every few days to charge your car at a public charging station, which is far more expensive than if you had your own charger in your own garage. So there goes a good chunk of the cost savings and you waste an hour or 2 every week.
I live inner city and there are 15 free charging stations at 2 shopping centres within 6 km of me. Never had to wait more tha 20 minutes to connect, most times get in straight away. Only have to pay for the shopping car park, which I would have had to anyway.
@haroldnowak2042 so nice of your neighbors to pay for your energy. I can't see that ever being a problem in the future. Nothing is free.
@@disbeafakename167 The shopping center pays for it. They say they want a whole level of the car park to be only for EV's and the savings in the costs of mandated ventilation will cover the free charging. Who knows if that will ever happen.
A lot of companies have chargers for employees. Close to front door parking for most.
Also, when for example, a 1500 KVA transformer for a 6-charger station is idling because there are no cars charging, the transformer losses increase - and are drawn from the grid, ahead of the revenue meter. These losses are then paid for by spreading that cost across all of the customers.
imagine easter weekend and thousands of EV all wanting to recharge on the way home you ar right they are not thinking things through.
Imagine the Gold Field Ashes, when thousands of cricketers descend on sleepy Charters Towers for a fun long weekend. They can't install hundreds of chargers for this one big event. Besides their HV supply isn't very robust already.
If south of the Border think how Tamworth would cope.
Have you seen the videos of EV’s banked up and waiting for chargers… literally 40 odd EV’s😳 waiting for 1 of 10 chargers to become available. 3 were out of order.
It would take hours just to get to an available charging point… and how many probably stopped working in the mean time?!
Imagine trying to evacuate a hurricane or or other natural disaster.
NIGHTMARE
Imagine life when all cars are EV's and how how charging times would increase. The grid as it is now could not support the demand.
Politicians won't comment on this problem because they never admit when their wrong. Unintended consequences is their catch phrase.
Very good point. When we get told “it only takes 20 mins to charge your car here” that’s probably not true.
With all the bicycle lanes being developed in Dublin, Ireland, I said from the beginning "we must all be going to get bicycles". I think I hit the nail on the head. With huge expenses now being envisaged regarding Insurance, replacement of batteries, lack of charging facilities, parking restrictions, etc., etc., bicycles seem to be the only thing left for the "common man" not Government officials, of course.
Brilliant explanation. Well made point. Even if the infrastructure eventually gets improved, the energy companies wont foot the bill. They will pass on the costs to ALL customers including the non-EV users!
NOt really its lame video, he purposely left out battery packs which is the same as having a tank under ground
They will never improve the grid enough; remember that their ultimate goal is to get rid of cars.
It might look brilliant to you but the rest of us think you've just illuminated your ignorance.
Also, my understanding is that these charging stations are now billing by time so if it takes longer to get the same amount of charge, you’re paying more for the same charge.
Imagine a car pulls into a petrol service station.
The tanker is hooked onto the end of one measly little fuel line and the car gets fuelled off that line coming out of the tanker.
Then 10 cars all try to suck out of the one thin line coming out of the tanker....
There's the problem...no storage "tank"
Now imagine an EV charging station with one measly 1mw line and 10 EV's sucking off it...
Further imagine 5 x 40ft shipping containers full of recycled ex EV batteries on site that had recharged all day from the solar canopy over the EV charging area...
and from off peak electricity all night from the electric grid.
Suddenly by using a brain and spending on a "tank" (a reserve of electricity) all 10 EVs are charging......
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkhmmm, time to recharge your brain, it’s in delusional mode.
OMG thats funny! "suddenly by using a brain" Like ANY law maker has ever done this.....@@JohnSmith-pl2bk
The underground fuel tank is reality.
The above ground electric fuel tank is is also a reality...
Do you not see the exact parallels????
@@johncalvin9703
Imagine the queue at the charging stations on public holidays. For example at the base of the Transfagarasan road.
What I don't understand is that, in the US, Tesla owners using Tesla Supercharging facilities do not seem to have this problem. At least, there's no public outcry about it. Also, I read recently that the number of individual public charging points has just overtaken the number of individual gasoline pumps, and that gasoline service stations are being bought up in the dozens to be converted to EV charging parks, with similar, if not better, supplementary service facilities, like restaurants, fast food outlets, shops etc.
It seems like the two graphs are now diverging in favour of electric!
Back in the UK the picture is not nearly so rosy but convergence point is approaching as EV sales increase monthly!
Any comment?
Source?
You do realise that EVs are the excuse to get ordinary people off the roads?
As a petrol-head, I'm as worried about EV charging stations as I am about what provisions to take to the colony on Mars.
Yeah, until your local government decide to legislate your internal combustion engine out of commission either willingly or under compulsion.
@@justaminute3111 Yep, that's a worry! But I think it will start with new cars only and taxes on ICE vehicles etc. They're also trying these 15 minute cities in the UK, and of course ICE vehicles are in the firing line. But I do remember in the 90s in Australia there were attempts to phase out older cars, like 10 or 15 year-old-cars. But this fell flat on its face because of the number of older cars. So, because of the millions of ICE vehicles in Australia there would have to be a grandfather clause. Whatever they do they'll stuff it up like everything else they do.
@@justaminute3111When the government so tries to rule over you that the only result is your destruction, maybe that's the time to stop letting politicians rule you for their benefits!
Actually, the Martians have already colonized earth. They are the ones serving in various political offices.
Hybrids are the way to go!
Let's be generous and say an average EV stands on a public charger for 20 minutes and gets a range of 240 miles (more like 140 but bear with me).
It's generally accepted it takes 5 minutes to refuel an ICE car which then has 400 miles range (often more). If every car is an EV the sheer 'space' needed for public charging is mind blowing. Home charging will hardly ease it if many households have more than one EV or no off road parking. Regardless of the infastructure issues the whole thing is a house of cards.
and you will provide the fire fighting capability needed to protect the community?
65 times less likely to catch fire - even more so for LFP@@seanworkman431
The new Shenxing battery can easily provide 1000km range with less than ten minutes to charge to 400km. We aren't talking about about gen1 Nissan Leafs anymore -battery tech advances year on year.
Exacty. Let's say you have half the mileage and take 4x the time, that means you need to have 8 times as much EV charging stations as you need gas stations at the moment.
Most people will charge during rush hours, so you need the grid to support that.
Yep, that's why EV's are pointless technology
Excellent points. There is a lot of loss of power in transmission lines also. The formula vd= 2KID/cmm. Means voltage drop = 2x k (resistance konstant (copper and aluminum are different) x I( amperes) x distance ÷ cmm (circular mils)(wire size) . That's single phase residential. For 3phase commercial use vd= √3xR(resistance)x I(amps)x D(distance)÷cmm( wire size). DC is similar in principle. You can not endlessly add load without up sizing the initial conductors. On site generation is key...,...
aluminum has been shown to be a very dangerous conductor..expansion and contraction and oxide formation at connections can result in arcing and fires...
Small question regarding on site generation. What is going to power the on site generators? If my thinking is not wrong then there will still be a need for fossil fuels for this, or more expense for a windmill farm or a solar farm at each location.
Re onsite generation. Each business venturing into charging stations would have to work out details. Ex. a gas station could generate on demand using gas or diesel . Nat gas vendors could use their products via fuel cell or combustion to generate... Modular mini nuke plants...molten salt thorium reactors...forestry products waste material. Each electricity producing plant is a potential charging station...pyrolitic converters at or in stead of landfills, ...
@@michaelcauser474 i think he was suggesting photo voltaic. i think i would rather believe in the good fairy..
I have looked at that problem too. But have you noticed that often highways and power pylons often follow the same routes. This works for my country where most of the cities and generation are organised along a north south corridor.
I did some calculation and worked out that you need to size the charging stations for holiday traffic flows. So, In New Zealand you would need 3x or 4x the number of outlets for EVs as for petrol pumps. Every place along highways, you need for EVs to stop for 20 minutes for each 200km of driving.
Highway petrol stations that currently fit 10 to 20 cars will need to fit 30 to 80 cars. They will need 100kW, each so 3MW to 10MWatt. And most of this will only be needed for 30 major travel days per year. And that won't be enough for Christmas or Easter breaks.
But if the EV transition takes another 20 years, most of that will need to start to be built in 5 years, with the project done in 12-15 years.
Possible, but expensive. Some could be built on grid stabilising storage battery packs, that could charge at night and deliver charging at peak traffic flow. Or be adjacent to solar farms. Pie in the sky here.
The bigger issue is that in places where they are being mandated, the grid cannot handle the current load, and this adds significant load to the grid. Those places are also making it the most difficult to add more generation capacity.
Soylent Green is the goal.
The grid is not some immutable thing and I suspect if you were to look up whatever power company provides your electricity they will have information about how they are planning renewables and electrification to meet demand. Also, it's not like things go from 0% battery electric vehicles to 100% overnight. Even in Norway where 90% of new cars are electric, it will be decades before all petrol / diesel cars are removed from the roads.
@@drxym they can't handle current demand. There will not be more electricity available without increasing generation. If you look at the kwh equivalent of the gasoline we burn, even considering the terrible efficiency of internal combustion, we need to add 1gw every 6 weeks to keep up with the transition timeline. These same places mandating the vehicles are also preventing additional generation from coming online in anything that will be significant enough to make it work.
@@amadensoryou could always reduce demand 😳
Can you name me one place where the grid cannot or will not be able to handle the extra EV Load ? Waiting with impatience your response.
I have just watched your complete EV playlist It was amazing. Your videos are more informative and less extreme and put the points over more concisely. I look forward watching your other playlists. Thank you very much.✔✔👍👍
The internet can educate, but also stupify.
I already decided EVs were to expensive for me but I really appreciate your videos that verifies my decision. I never gave a thought to the problem you describe here.
I can see so many more Tesla cars on the road lately. Lucky you saw this before you became another sucker
The prospect of EV Nirvana,just gets better and better.
Thanks for mentioning the reality of how these charging stations are effecting the rest of the grid. My guess is that any industrial demand is going to take priority over these charging stations and hopefully private sector use as well. I'm not interested in having a reduction in my electric usage because of EV clowns buying in to the Soylent Green goal.
@richardweyland, " My guess is that any industrial demand is going to take priority"
@@dl7596Until it allows monopolies to rule over it! Then it either bleeds into communism & socialism! Ie: slavery for the peasants!
I understand that you try to guess and even think, but why not try google to learn more like many others?
@@dl7596 Forgive him for he knows not of what he speaks.
You need to underarand their logic first. You will own nothing and be happier than ever.
This past weekend a group of us had a bowling party . I hosted the after-party. I live within a half hour drive of the bowling alley. One guy wanted to come but had not charged his car enough to drive the extra. I just rolled my eyes.
The same guy probably would not have filled his gas tank enough to do the extra miles? Not the cars fault.
@@RGVJ21 "The same guy probably would not have filled his gas tank enough to do the extra miles"
Difference is that he could've filled up in 3 minutes at any gas station on the way. Can't do that with an EV...
It was his excuse to avoid your party. He had other plans. If he really wanted to come then a 10-minute stop-off at a Rapid on the way to yours would have given him enough for that unplanned detour. So he would have been a few minutes late - big deal.
@@Hitstirrer nope rural northeast Indiana to rural northeast Indiana No charging stations nearby. I just pulled up a map. Absolutely nothing between the two points.
@@gooble69 plus there is no charging stations between the 2 points unless he drove miles out of the. Even the huge truck stop just up the road zip .
Thank you for making me aware of that perspective.
The world plan is all people will live in condensed 15 minute cities where resources and employment reduce need for personal transportation.
The simple truth is, nobody has ever actually asked the power companies just what they need to do, to handle a complete conversion to EV. They don’t ask, because they know the answers would show a huge crazy massive upheaval that’s impossible to do in just a few years.
Luckily the transition will take the better part of 25 years, I reckon. But it has to be done, unless you have some miracle CO2 scrubber up your sleeve
@@yeroca Wrong again. At the current pace, the global elites are projecting spending $1300 trillion on climate change agenda and they will not make any measurable difference. They will (and already are) fleecing the masses, making the poorest pay the highest price and your kids will pay the heaviest price of all for your lack of asking for actual verifiable evidence and results for all of their claims.
They never say where they are going to get the huge amount of Lithium to replace all the ICE autos. We have already tapped 50% of the known reserves and we've only converted 5% of the cars. How are we going to make the other 95% with what lithium is left and at what cost to the environment? Very cleverly the mining of rare earth materials that go into current high storage battery technology is never discussed, but it's extremely destructive to the environment too.
These claims are by the same people that said Miami was going to be underwater by the year 2015, and so many other predictions that not a single one has actually come true. The leader of this nonsense is an old man now and is the very same one that proclaimed (back in the 1970's') that we were going to be in an ice age by the year 2000.
Once upon a time, every school kid was taught the story of chicken little. Today we are living it. The sky is not falling. CO2 accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere. Even if we were to somehow able to double it, there would be no significant impact. Every politician and scientist that's recommending these crazy emergency measures has a very real conflict of interest and/or incentive, whether it's power or money or both, but they all are demanding that you make the draconian sacrifices even though they never do.
I know you won't agree with me, and I will not change your mind, but I and people like me are the only ones that aren't asking you to give money or power.
@@yeroca
No it does not have to be done socialist.
How much carbon is used to dig up all the rare metals to make your batteries?
Why are you okay with Africa being stripmined for the lithium for your precious batteries??
Let me guess, you have never considered that.
What we will end up with is thousands od dead EV's that can't charge because the grid can't handle it. Heck even now the grid suffers from demand in the summer without EV's This whole push is half baked.
This is a really really good point in this video, and while you scratched along the surface of this problem, and what you covered was really good and accurate, the overall electrical infrastructure problem is so much worse than this little isolated problem at this particular charging station.
Basically, in a nutshell the electrical grid is NOT built for mass deployment of high-voltage/high-current points of usage, like EV charging stations. There simply is not enough generation and distribution to be able to accommodate the many EV charging stations that the idiotic government greenie-weenies think that they want. What will end up happening is that electrical power is going to become a scarce resource, and will end up being tightly regulated and rationed.. just like any other government tightly regulated resource.
For example - They think they are going to "phase-out" large Diesel Semi-Trucks in favor of EV Semis... Yeah right.. Can you even imagine how much power a truck stop to charge EV semis would consume off of the grid?? And how long it will take to charge the many many resulting EV semis?? Well?? What about the rest of all of the people on the grid who want to heat their homes, and cook dinner, and charge the family (EV) car so they can use it the next day?? What about them??
The saying, if the government owned all of the Sahara Desert, and regulated all the sand, you would soon have a sand shortage and sand rationing... That's what is going to happen.
You're exactly right. I want to believe that government planners are simply ignorant, but there's this little voice in the back of my head telling me "this is intentional and their actual plan is to create a crisis they can take advantage of in order to acquire more control over our behavior or - even worse - they simply intend to prevent most of us from driving personal vehicles altogether. In any case, our future appears to be headed towards a very dystopian outcome if this push to get everyone into EV's continues to proceed.
We're already having electrical supply "variations" (where I live) which cause either full on black outs, or "brown outs" (which are just as damaging to electrical equipment)...particularly if there are storms between us and the supplier. Lines down etc. It's like putting surveillance cameras on trains to watch people getting attacked. Lots of money invested to watch things go down the drain rather than addressing the primary issues of continuity and stability of supply. Many folk in my area have bought solar panels, so our electrical supplier is getting all sorts of very cheap electricity daily. They pay a pittance for the privilege. Just waiting until they demand we pay for oxygen.
"and will end up being tightly regulated and rationed" Yes it's called a Smart Meter. Want your washing machine on? Well it's peak time right now you can't but you can if you run it at 3am. Fun.
@@CyrilSneer123 They should be more careful. Waking us up, tired and cranky, is sure to cause issues lol. Adults are just like kids when not fed or weary.
In the US I read that an engineer looked at charging times for EVs and the available infrastructure and then compared those figures with petrol pumps and found that for every petrol pump that 19 EV charging stations would be required if all vehicles registered were electric. This doesn't take into account the energy supply requirements. Almost all built up areas lack the space and infrastructure for such an transition. I say force all New York Taxis to be electric and see how that goes.
Didn't realise this, thank you for this information. It now has me thinking about the EV charging stations I have seen and has raised a lot of questions. For example, at the side of the Macadamia Castle in the hinterland behind Byron Bay, there are 6 Tesla 120kw chargers in an area you would assume has fairly standard power availability. Incidentally, these 6 Tesla charging points are rarely used, imagine 6 Tesla's at one time at this this lonely place?
He is very good 👍
A disabled driver UA-camr has raised problems that he has found with UK charging points regarding wheelchair access, wider bays, no kerbs and very important weather cover canopy's similar to a present filling station.
Not found much of a problem, a few that are not working, yet I remember no being able to get petrol while the tanker took 30 mins to deliver. A lot of the charging points seem to have wider bays, thinking about it, it would be hard to get out of your car while parked next to a petrol pump. Although I noticed a comment about Scotland, oh yeah they are still bragging about being the leaders in EV charging " many FREE " While there are still some that are free, most of the" free ones" now charge at least 40p kwh. Troon has at least 4 free sites , 40 kwh £free . petrol £1.65 a litre.
Getting out of the driver's door at a petrol pump is easy if you pull up at the side of the pump that's best for you. Disabled parking spaces have the hatched area so doors can be opened, ramps extended. The charges the gentleman showed did not have this. He has been asked to advise on new installations. So maybe things will improve. A canopy would be nice for all.@@markleeming1786
It is canopies. Even if not, the possessive apostrophe is not required.
I tow a trailer to events a few 100s of miles away. Not everyday, but it's something I do (as long as the government allows). As well as very limited towing distances with EVs, there are, so far, no charging stations set up for trailers. So several times per trip, I's have to find a place to leave the trailer, recharge, pick up the trailer and repeat as necessary.
@@drewthompson7457this is actually a good point, pull-through chargers would be a simple thing to provide in places where space permits and would help support people moving to EVs. One thing to note, there are extension cables that you can buy to extend a J1772 connection. Not sure what power rating the new ones support, I have a Chevy Bolt so it’s charge speed is ludicrously slow anyways, no fear of over stressing the 20 foot extension cable that I purchased. May or may not work for you, but thought I’d mention it in case it might help. Possibly they exist for Teslas as well, not sure. But your point about needing pull-through chargers is a very good one.
I’ve been on trips with my friends non-Tesla EV, almost every charging station has broken units and we’ve never received the full charging rate. Most often it’s half the rate. I’ll drive my hybrid for now !
This is why Tesla succeeded. I wouldn't buy one until they had enough superchargers. When I needed to use public stations, at least half were broken, and many weren't where the maps said they were. (I realized the map was showing the billing address for the charger's owner, and not the actual charger which could be miles away.) The superchargers are rarely out of service, never more than 10% at any given site not working, and you can see how busy they are and all their stats from the dashboard.
Without something like that, charging is not going to be a reasonable alternative.
This was actually a very nice surprise. I generally regarded you as an ev hater but this is actually a well put together video.
Anyway to adress your concern, there's always enough power at the site. The limit are the ac to dc comverters because they are very expensive. Some sites are implementing battery storage for this reason but most opt to instead buy more powerful converters.
I live in the state of Washington and our short sighted state government has banned the sale of gas operated cars by 2030 in favor of EVs. This video further strengthens my resolve to not be forced into an EV. Besides the state not having the right to dictate what legal products we can or can not by, EVs have too many problems I do not want anything to do with.
One thing most people don't think about is when on a trip, you've calculated how much time it takes to get there without giving much thought on how long it takes to refuel. But with EV you've got to add 1-2 hours to your travel time to get to your destination. It takes longer to recharge a battery than it does to fill your tank.
The EV controls your life.
Plus, what happens if there is a road blockage and you are stuck in a traffic jam for many hours or even a day (like out in Wyoming which I have seen more than once in my travels) especially in winter. That along with 50 miles or more between exits with no guarantee that there will be a functioning charging station available.
Then there are others like myself that drive for ten hours at a stretch. I don’t want to be bothered taking precious travel time to set and wait for what could be hours of wasted travel time.
Even worse there could be an EMP and all electric cars would be out of commission.
This just proves how stupid politicians and the others that have been brainwashed by our bigoted educators are.
@@mebpratt859 technically an emp would destroy pretty much any vehicle made in like the past 50 years if not longer. Unless you completely disconnect the battery prior to it going off, it would short out pretty much every device, making it basically a brick with wheels.
I hired an EV for the weekend to see how bad this was - it wasn't bad at all.
There are numerous parts of your day when you can leave your car charging while you do other things, eg, shopping, working, sleeping, going for a walk.
I recharged the car twice over the weekend, and it was chill.
@@xcrockery8080 so, your store has an EV outlet? does it have 100 or even a thousand? Walmart for instance serves 10% of the US population daily. I'm sure your work would love having to shut down for weeks if not months while permits go through for the city to approve budgeting for work hours on the destruction of its parking lots or land to install a charging station? There is then the problem that electric vehicles have started exploding the world over with highly toxic gases being emitted that standard firefighting equipment can not put out the fires for and requires extensive decontamination...
Excellent point, great video, short sweet and simple for everyone to understand.
Its like we've put all our brain power into making these new cars and almost zero brain power into the facilitation of the cars on a mass scale. Somehow we're 25 years into this experiment and just now asking these (very obvious) questions.
I gotta say, quietly behind the scenes, hydrogen is making a stronger case for itself every day.
Hydrogen is expensive to make, (electrolysis - a very expensive process) or still comes from fossil fuels like Methane, causes severe Hydrogen embrittlement to most all metals which is a big engineering problem, and it is dangerous to work on for mechanics. Not a very good solution either.
@@johnkemas7344 I am aware of the problems and was not meaning to suggest that hydrogen is superior to battery/electrics, but when you see the difficulties scaling up pure electrics hydrogen doesn't have near the difficulties (i.e. building fully electric cars is 5% of the challenge of moving to electric cars, building quality hydrogen cars is about 65% of the difficulty of moving to a hydrogen car fleet)
@@mattclark6482 Hydrogen has the same problems as EVs, in that hydrogen isn't a fuel. It's just storage. You don't get any energy out of hydrogen you didn't put into it. Where are you going to crack hydrogen that you couldn't just charge your EVs? You can do it a bit more centralized and ship giant tanks of hydrogen around like you ship gasoline now, but that's really sketchy given you have to keep it compressed high enough to fill up someone else's tank.
One of many problems with the push toward EV! Thanks for a reasoned presentation! Why can't the 'greens' think more clearly?
its not the greens. They are cover. its the WEF agenda of stopping you going anywhere and their lies about climate change to impose control.
The takeaway is that most people who attended high school physics classes were sleeping with their eyes open.
The problem is even worse because the recharge time is much longer than it takes to fill a tank. So even if the 10 charging stations could work at full power, they serve far fewer vehicles every hour.
But if the pub your are visiting has some chargers in the car park...and you plug in while you have a pint or 12....?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk let then your cars stays put..
I've had an EV for 6 months and I've driven into a petrol station exactly once in that time. To buy a sandwich. The rest of the time I just plug the car in once a week at home and in the morning I drive it again. So if time is such a big deal then buy an EV. If I did need to use a public charger e.g. if I had to drive 200+ miles somewhere, then chances are I also need to eat food, take a piss or just stretch my legs. So charging a car at the same time is hardly an inconvenience.
@@drxymTell me, how much it cost, to buy that, and have it installed. $$$$. Also, say you got home, with 5% battery, and had to go somewhere in an emergency, etc. You'll be wishing you went to the Gas Station 5 or more times that Month.
@@fredjansen2659 The charging spots are now starting to charge for the parking spot as well, so you will leave right away. Not cheap either.
I cannot believe that with all of the random , senseless vandalism that these charging stations don't get destroyed!
The chargers themselves are capricious and unreliable.
A friend of mine coined it as ' if every electric vehicle were put on charge at the same time, the grid would fall over' - very much simplified I know but if it was done then the problem in this video would apply to every power supply, not just to vehicle charging !
Thanks for this clear explanation. It's also expensive to make high capacity EV "filling stations." Lack of shelters over the EV chargers makes them antisocial to use in inclement weather. Unreliable operation of chargers is a pain. One local UK study found 60% of chargers in an urban locality were not working. Zap Map was listing busted chargers as working. There''s a long way to go ..
You have a valid point, sir. But don't forget the fact that disrupting personal travel over long distance, to the point of being cost-prohibitive/impracticle is all part of the WEF/Globalist Ellite (WEF/GE) end game. They want you static for easier control and surveillance in their 15-minute cities.. Australia, like Canada is huge with much open space to cross. My gas-powered truck can get me over 900kms on one tank of gasoline in winter or summer. I have the option of heat in winter or air conditioning for summer with zero risk of making the next planned fuel stop. This cannot be done with ANY battery-powered death trap plus it's harder to track older fuel-efficient vehicles and the WEF/GE DON'T LIKE IT! Bunch of spoiled-brat crybabies! Cheers and hello from Alberta, Canada.
A drop in electricity supply has the capacity to also create safety concerns for workers, depending on the equipment used in a factory, a 'brown out' type scenario can actually cost many thousands of dollatrs and much downtime. I've worked in factories before where such issues of a reduction capacity in available electricity would cost the company at least $10k (1990s prices) per hour in lost production and it would cause hours of work to rectify the issues such reduced power supply would cause to the machines that halted mid function thus also creating safety hazards to rectify.
I work as a boat mechanic, boats plug into shore power(ac) and use and inverter to invert from AC to DC, to charge the house systems on a boat. Each "charging station" has a set grid capacity, but each charging station isn't linked, they all get their own max grid current, it doesn't throttle the next station. Obviously it'll throttle the entire cities grid, but that is the infrastructure problem. I imagine car charging stations are built the same, but it doesn't mean we still don't need more electricity.
Good analysis about the load capacity and how it’s divided up among existing users compared to gasoline storage tanks. Longer times to charge means shortening the range to compensate for longer time. All ass backwards on that long EV road trip
EV's are another choice... should not be the only choice. You have a common sense approach in your content that is missing on other channels. Keep doing it!
Yeah, a nonsensical choice like buying a Corvette for a work truck.
Agreed. My elderly Mom has and EV and it works great for her. She drives maybe 300 miles total a month and just plugs it into her home outlet.
EV's are the complete solution for only a fraction of car owners.
BTW, at most gasoline stations there is only one pump per tank. And all the things you operate and call "pumps" are really just meters that are supplied by that one pump. That is why your flow slows down when someone else at another meter also starts filling at the same time. This is especially true if the pump is undersized for the number of meters. And that is often the case. However, even in the worst case your tank is usually full in just a couple minutes. That can't be said for EV chargers.
Why do you hear the pump start up in the bowser you are using then? Each bowser has its own pump.
That doesn't happen anymore, in the U.S anyway, it used to be that way in the 1990's and earlier.
Bullshit....they are called turbines, and there is at least one turbine for every grade and type of fuel.
@@jefftheaussie2225nope....wrong.
@@pwilki8631 That may be the case where you are but not everywhere is the same as where you are. You should get out more.
I've also noticed the EV charging stations do not provide services for airing up tires or even the ability to clean ones windshield. And perhaps even more importantly, NO RESTROOMS are provided!!!
I work in a cement plant in the U.S. We are forced to shutdown high power electric motors during peck power use.
I said this a few years ago. The uk was running at about 80% of electricity being used then, with everyone driving electric cars, plugging them in around the same time when they get home from work there won’t be enough to power everything. Especially with our government trying to push everyone to have heat pumps installed in their houses along with having an ev.
Another consideration is that power company might not even supply entire 1MW (per your example) to the charger, because the average usage might not be that high. Simply idle the charger at 1MW causes a lot of fuels usage. When heavy loads occurred, you can expect brown-out for the chargers.
Wow, an expert electrical engineer weighs in!!!
@@xcrockery8080 Yes I do have the BSEE from Sacramento State University.
@@bigx9963 Well, I'm the world's deadliest invisible ninja.
simply idle the charger at 1MW causes a lot of fuel usage. Couldn't really understand what this means? if a charger is idle, it wont be drawing anywhere near 1 MW
Nope
Oh yea, I'm an electrician. Most new apartment buildings where I work these days have EV chargers for every single stall. And we do have that worked out properly up to the EV electrical panel. However, the panel is only about 800 amps or so. Somewhere around there. Each EV spot uses 40-60 amps. Hundred plus cars and do the math, we have a MASSIVE problem.
Even if we were to rerout the entirety of the buildings power to EV chargers, that'd only be around 2000 amps.
Keep in mind, this is new construction in Canada. A relatively hippy country all for using EVs.
This the plan! No private driving or greatly reduced.
Monash University has 2 chargers at thier DIESEL Bus depot for the pissy smart cars they use.. Plugged direct into the main power off grid 😂😂😂
Many of the charging stations in the US are now being the homes of the homeless. Fun times getting your car charged.
Not an attractive location for the homeless. Most DC Charging stations are very bare bones, they don't even have shade let alone rain cover. That was a wacky assumption.
@@Neojhun and thieves stealing your charging cables for the copper coating you 600 to 1200
@@Neojhun He meant homeless sleeping in their cars blocking the ports.
Already got huge problems but this is another nail in the coffin, glad you bought it up
E.v.'s are a load of bollocks.
Excellent grasp of reality, ie the more cars, the LONGER it takes to charge a car!!!
You can refuel a gasoline car on your lunch break and still have time for lunch. With an EV, its best to do it on your day off and bring a book to read 🚙
Nicely done presentation , with graphical support . It's the little things that make or break the grand schemes .
Absolutely correct! This whole lame brained scheme was poorly executed!
You seem to have an honest and refreshing viewpoint. You've earned a subscriber.
Interesting. I think you are right. If EVs can last “a day” (what ever that means for a particular person), then they can recharge at night at home. I think this is key and changes the paradigm a lot. I can not ever fill up my car at my house at night so the traffic at a gas station is going to be higher - perhaps significantly higher - than the traffic at an EV recharging station.
Hotels and such will need to integrate into this new paradigm so that vacationers can continue to recharge their EVs at night.
I think exploring new technologies is great BUT it should not have a penny of government funding nor should the government force me into one paradigm or the other. After all, the entire global warming hoax is collapsing all around. The green energy scam is about to fall apart.
And just how much does it cost to have a charging station installed at your home? And that’s if the local electricity provider was able to provide enough power! EVs are illogical!!! Oh, and what about the battery situation??? And fire!!!
@@sandybruce9092 I'm not an EV fan. But since you asked:
A home charger probably comes with the car when you buy it. It requires 220V so if you have an electric dryer outlet, you are done. If not, an electrician could probably install a 220V outlet for $100 or so. The night time use of power is actually going to help since it will balance out the peak day time use which is for AC. AC requires a lot of power.
Lithium is a problem. It isn't that plentiful currently but we tend to find more of whatever resource we are looking for. There is no super good way to recycle the lithium yet. The recycle cost is more than the mining of fresh but eventually, if more Lithium is not discovered, that economic situation will reverse. The fire hazard is solved by using a different formulation for the battery. LifePOs I think they are called.
I don't have an EV. I'm looking for a new car right now and I'm not even considering an EV. I'm not using it as a daily driver to and from work. I need it for long trips out into the wilderness for my photography where there is no EV infrastructure yet. EVs are not "green" by any real measure although "green" is a complete fraud as well.
Gas and oil are extremely plentiful right now, the pollution problem has more or less been solved, they are extremely dense energy wise. The government's push to wind and solar is just to line the pockets of the major donors.
@@pedzsan Thank you for your response! It doesn’t seem expensive to have a hime charging station, if a person’s electric provider can or will do it. Regular has where we ,ice has dropped below $3.00 recently and I am very surprised! I keep a book in my car and record everything time I/we purchase gas % price, gallons, MPG, location, etc and ice dine this for more than 40 years so I’m well aware of gas prices in many areas! But I won’t touch an EV ever - especially since most of the lithium comes from “other” countries I won’t name!!! Even with out vehicles with lithium barriers, most of us have lithium in our homes - in regular batteries we use for so many items! Still a very scary mineral!
We are moving quickly to shut down power stations that work during the night, to solar power farms which do not. And generally the wind drops at night so the wind farms will be producing less too. Overnight charging of EVs will be fraught.
@@AVMamfortas Good point. I personally believe that wind and solar are not a good option but we'll see...
Ofcourse government fails to install enough chargers or electric grid infrastructure and early EVs are very expensive etc etc but this just delays the inevitable i think. I plan to keep driving small petrol cars to save them from being junked too early as my contribution to saving the environment. -)
Realistically, you're doing more for the environment than any of the EV loving posers.
At Texas-based Buc-ee's, each station has a minimum of 100 gas pumps, and they are usually all in use with a line of cars waiting. Such capacity will never be achieved at an EV charging station, at least not in my lifetime. Of course, they could use the gasoline that is already there to generate more electric power on-site, but I don't think that suggestion would be appreciated. 🤣
Great video!! Very informative.
one thing i think is terrible is the total lack of any control over what the recharge will cost on the road you can just look at sign at gas station and know which price you will pay and easily look it up on an app if you want but EV chargers can set any price they want with many different apps and no sign telling you what the price is or stopping them from changing it on a whim.
We all know the price for each supplier. It's all published before we decide to stop at a particular charger - just as you do with petrol. You know that a motorway will be expensive so you fill at a supermarket. We do the same. Plan to stop based on convenience or price. No secret about it at all.
except when you find the charge broken or all full and have to go find another charger @@Hitstirrer
The more you look into it the worse they become, Maximum feed cable as you have reported in this video,relative long time to charge, heavier vehicles, travel distance varies between weather temperatures, safety problem with people playing about on the control screen to squeeze the maximum amount of juice from the battery changing the way it operates, risk of thermal runaway, and at the moment the high prices.
It’d be interesting to do a survey of % of Australian politicians who have switched to EVs
Many charging stations have a big dirty diesel generator around back so the whole thing is a big fckn charade
Great video, they should include charging bikes for people to ride to help the PROBLEM!
Another problem that never occurred to me is the cables are made from copper, very attractive to the criminal class. My mechanic tells me that they turn up with a hefty pair of bolt croppers and remove the cables which cost time and money to replace..
A criminal would not waste their time on copper cables. Steal 1 car = over 5 km of copper cable.
But they waste time stealing a laptop from a car and don't just take the car? It's about ease of disposal, far easier to dispose of scrap copper than a car.@@haroldnowak2042
@@haroldnowak2042 You assume all criminals are intelligent enough to do this mental comparision
@@Veikra You are right. No criminal would bother with a 'worthless' cable.
This movement will turn out to be one of the greatest calamities of all time.