Timing V2.0 NIO Battery Swap - How Much Faster Is It? 蔚来换电站2.0
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- My first time visiting the newer second generation NIO Battery Swap. I really like how easy it was, just pull up, push the button, and the car takes over. However it really wasn't much faster, if at all, than version 1.0. Still it does have some benefits which I describe in the video.
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awww i love the winter hat on nomi
Another excellent video!Showing viewers China and what owning a Nio is like.
Man this is the one ive been waiting for good job Eric!🔋🔋🙌🏾!
Lol yeah I knew you were waiting.
Compared to a let's say V3 Tesla where you can have 40 cars simultaneously charging no longer than 20-25 vs 15 minutes in the future, this is not a huge improvement. Especially since they can only swap 1 car at a time and can have max 13 cars swapped. This will flop.
@@marcusbiller867 it's only matter of expanding the facility as multiplying the number of swapping track and facilities.
Glad to see Nio implemented this. This will help their robotaxi efforts in the future.
NIO is a BEAST, I bought more today and will continue to hold. I believe in William Li's vision, $35 before December 31st 2022. $NIO
BETTING BIG ON NIO FOR THE FUTURE! I want one!!
The pull through sounds more convenient on paper, but you make some good points.
Backing the car in by itself resolves the need for a drive through.
keep pumping out those NIO videos Eric!!!!
You can also make video's of your Nio car as well ?
More or less the same time as refueling the car. On my SUV, the gas tank capacity is 18gallons. Most pumps out here have a flow rate of about 5-8 gallons per minute so pumping gas takes about 3 minutes. Add parking, aligning car, swiping credit card and etc, it will take about 5 minutes in total.
yes, but you end up smelling of gas on your hands and also not pleasant to get out of the car and wait for it to finsih on a windy / rainy / snowy day. So swapping looks like a nice future if more companies would go down this route.
@@gechichan Great point indeed. Even in very warm weather is more pleasant to stay inside with the AC
for a female driver, it will take at least twice longer, the more beautiful the driver is, the longer it takes.
@@binqian2022 . Don't look at them, they would take longer when they notice that you're glancing intermittently at their beauty.
🤣🤣
You're missing the whole point of going away from gas combustion engines. No more being slave to high gas prices, no more transmissions and engines to maintain and service, and no smog checks.
Love NIo
That proximity based auto-queuing feature is really cool.
Yea it’s great that you dont have to mess with it at all while you are driving. Makes things safer. Just get nearby and it puts you in line, good feature.
Awesome swap station 2.0
Notice you pulled forward to position the vehicle? A pull though or back-in station design wouldn't be different since the sensors only care the vehicle is on the pads, therefore it must be a footprint issue since a pull though location would obviously use much more. In urban areas real-estate is at a premium price.
Yea it seems here on v2 stations they have lines marked in front of the station that indicate where to stop, then as you saw I just push the button and the car takes care of the rest by auto parking.
Hello Eric you make my day when you come out with new NIO videos. Thanks 🙏
Eric you should make your own head pillow and sell it to NIO users. But match the color of the seat lol 😂
Hi Richard, thanks so much! I think you’ll have to take up the arts and crafts projects lol
Bravo, another great vlog you made
I wish NIO was available in the US.
I would trade my model 3 for this
Seems unlikely, at least not very soon, you know what's happening between the two countries... We want people from all over the world get the experience NIO, Xpeng and a lot of new EVs from China but that's hard.
Next year
@pin wheel funniest thing I've heard today, thanks for making my day hahahahaha.
I encourage you to boycott China, and if you can, encourage people around you as well, but keep in mind that people like you will never change anything about the fact that China is going to be the future of the world XD.
One more friendly reminder, you might want to practice your English a bit harder : )
@pin wheel I assume you wear something made in China,do you feel very uncomfortable? Maybe a time to change everything to made in USA
Nice car, can’t say the same about the head rest cover
That's such a cool feature damn I wish I could have that in the west :)
It's stupid. You drive miles for getting to it (time wasted) and it's not even fast. It's also manned which means it don't really work as planned and is expensive.
There are no locations for these in cities.
@@saibot7218 you think there is no need to drive miles for getting to EV charging station? The availability of the battery swap station will increase when demand increases.Wew, haters gonna hate. Don't be biased, having more options would promote effort for improvement in future.
@@saibot7218 it’s not even fast ? So are super chargers faster at charging to 100% ? How long does that take ?
@@PhilthyMr no it’s not fast since you need drive to this swap point (time wasted) then often stand in line (time wasted) then wait for swap is completed (time wasted). This is the reason why Tesla went away from that idea and because superchargers were under development.
@@saibot7218 since you ignored my question about how long would a supercharger take to fully charge a car, it’s easy to assume you’re likely just a little kid. 😂 Your points make no sense because & you clearly didn’t watch the video. I understand Tesla fan boys are scared of this technology because Elon made a huge mistake getting rid of battery swaps. NIO will easily take over the EV industry & you’re scared what that means for Tesla. Since you can’t answer or won’t watch the videos, you have lost any validity & anyone can see it. Good luck with Tesla. ✌️ 👋
Great video I love the detail! Unfortunate that they still need staffing.
Yea not really that much more efficient yet, time and staffing both.
I am no fans of electric cars due to the cost of the vehicle, but this is the best way to eliminate the waiting associated with charging. Great step forward for this technology, for those that can afford it.
Tons of cheap/affordable ones out here... just wait they'll come to you eventually.
I hear that Europe is going to import NIO cars this year. Those lucky Europeans! I hope that it comes to Canada soon so I can buy one.
hopefully canada and us will be next year.
Very informative, thank you for this.
Battery swapping is perfect for used vehicles seeing how you'll have to worry less about when the end of life of a battery is.
NIO, the best. 💪🏼
Not perfect, but quite amazing, futurists already.
ok now i love Nio
I love southern china. The air is cleaner and all kinds of greenery even in the winter. But I can't get used to the humidity and mosquitoes as a northerner
Yea get bites all the time. It’s nice down here though , no winter :)
I want the little robot dash guy
Gotta get a Nio 😬
Sure solves the problem of battery depreciation...
Are the seats so bad or why this pillow?
7 minutes from the previous car left the station. it is pretty awesome. If Nio can use xpeng's back-in technic, it could safe addition 10 seconds. Nio should consider merge with xpeng.
Awesome video!
Very cool! Thanks.
Swap staion at major " Hghway Entrance Lane " will be helpful for long distance driving.
There are quite a few now at highway rest stops, not entry lanes though lol that seems dangerous.
It took 1 minute 45 seconds, just to back the car into the right spot. The smaller foot print also saves them a lot of money because land is expensive in China. I'm sure there is room for improvement.
Yea there is definitely room for improvement. Maybe next year we get v3.0
I love NIO
So cool 😎
If I say first you let me use the Clip for Spanish version? ;)
Yea sure. Make sure you credit clearly and link too
Like the SF hat👍🏽
NIO really thought of everything
the best is nio
Beautiful decent car better than Tesla
Does the head rest cover comes as upgrade?
So the charging stations have to have a dozen or more batteries in stock? What happens if there's a long line, or they run out of charged batteries? Do you settle for a half charged battery?
No, check out some of the other battery swap videos I have explaining it
Why the table cloth on the beautiful head rest
For eating and not making a mess on the table. Why else?
This is insane to me!!!
Would you say this is a typical NIO battery swap station 2.0? Are they all for one car at a time?
Yea one car at a time
Maybe you also want to connect to the China correspondent of the Fully Charged UA-cam channel! It just occurred to me because he made an episode about electric cabs at a location that looked very similar like this one.
man I was right, he was at the exact same spot: ua-cam.com/video/0P7fTPLSMeI/v-deo.html
Hey do you think you could do a range test comparison between different battery sizes? Like the 70kwh vs 100kwh and eventually 150kwh? I’m curious to see how they hold up
I’d have to change my battery subscription which has a change fee, unfortunately it seems I can’t freely swap to a 70 if needed.
@@Eric_Garrison ah no worries keep up the amazing videos man!
as a real owner of ec6 100kw battery, basically it ban guarantee 450km drive with a full charged battery.
My main issue with this?
The major talking point in the EV (battery) space at the moment is material supply and recycling.
13 packs (minimum?) at each bay is A LOT of extra resources essentially doing nothing.
I think the batteries may also be charged in station while waiting for customers to come in and swap. The second gen station can swap 312 batteries per day
@@yangtaotai
312 ÷ 25 hrs = 13 packs/ charges per hour.
IF it's the same pack size for all 13 that's 1 spare and a 5 minute swap.
After the 1st hour, they would be essentially charging at full pace for the 13 packs in the bay to 100% all day.l to keep up.
However.
If more than 1 car arrives, that's a 5 minute wait (up to 10) to start.
2 cars, 10-15 minutes.
3, 15-20..... etc.
Or, if there are 2 types of pack (Nio now has 3?)
Then, assuming they have 6 of each plus 1 spare, as the day goes on, when it's busy, the wait time will be increased to the number of cars in front x their swap time, plus possibly 30 minutes if you time it wrong, compounded on the bigger batteries.
Drivers won't use the "splash and dash, 15 minutes for 50% or more" method as they do with chargers, they'll want a full pack.
It's going to get messy.
Extra gallons sitting in the gas tank in SUV has the same issue.
@@rogerstarkey5390 good thing NIO is already working on this exact issue by having a third generation battery swap that has two bays instead of one with more available batteries.
@@appleoranges9772 apples and oranges sums it up well. Gas tank and battery swap is not a good comparison
Way of the future no doubt, this solves so many of the EV problems....brilliant idea, we were thinking about EV filling up in all the wrong ways...smh
Why do you not include the time it takes to pull in and fix the car position? From what I can tell that takes about another minute 15 seconds. Total time is over 6:45. I don’t know how Nio claims to be able to do 312 of these a day.
If there was a line do you have the option of parking the car, leaving it, and then it automatically goes in the charger then go and parks itself?
not really no, but you could leave your key with the attendant I’m sure and he could do it
Why did you do a battery swap? and how many miles did you do before making the swap? And what happened as failure or lack of power that you knew to make the battery swap? and how much did the vehicle cost compared to any Tesla model?And how much did it cost?
Hi Al, Love your music! I swapped my battery because it is an option in addition to charging. If the battery didn't work, I'd swap it again. This model (EC6 signature edition aka top of the line ) cost appx 60k USD, which is about the same as a Model Y Performance (also top of the line Model Y). I don't own my battery though, I rent it for 220 USD per month, however I could choose a smaller battery for 170 $ per month if I ever want, or I could upgrade to a bigger battery for more money in the future when it releases.. Buying with a battery adds about 10K USD
It is amazing
Leasing cheap batteries that need to be swapped over every say, 10,000 km might be a real thing in the not-to-distant future. Safer batteries, quick changeover. Charged from solar and wind. Kind of obvious really. We have these batteries now.
many parking spots and garages don't have a pull through.
Is battery swapping free if you don't get your car with BAAS? Also what about the normal Nio chargers, are they free or cost to use?
I’ve only used a nio charger once and it cost me money but it was cheap. As far as battery swap, from what I’ve seen and heard, depending on when you bought your car (and battery) depends on how much you pay (if anything) for a swap. Early adopters get free swaps for life.
Can someone explain this to me. Is swapping your car battery an alternative solution to charging your car? Why swap the battery when you can charge your EV car?
Charging a battery at a super charger station to 100% can take over an hour VS swapping the battery taking a few minutes.
@Philthy D thank you for the breakdown. I guess that's an interesting solution.
You can still charge your ev car from your house power outlet correct?
Yes you can also use nio super chargers too.
@@ubiased23 sorry didn’t see your reply until now. Yes you can charge from home, battery swap, & supercharge. All options same as any EV except the added bonus of swapping.
What is the cost to do a battery swap?
Included with purchase of car 6 times per month
4 free swap per month if you accept the charger in pack together with the car. if you give up the free charger, then it'll be 6 free swap per month. I chose the second, because I installed anther standard home.charger, not as cool as Nio charger but it works too.
I would like to see a video on the maintenance of an ev car like nio. Can you order parts for it and work on it yourself? Just wondering what the process is like. The car has alot of electronics also . What does a nio owner do when these things degrade over time. I dont see the battery as an issue since you can swap but what about everything else?
I've heard this is a problem for tesla owners
I suppose in the future the operating system and that sort of tech will get further and further behind the new cars, hopefully updates won’t cause it to slow down like modern phones do. Nio offers lifetime service and warranty here so I don’t plan on doing any service myself, not sure if there is much I’d be able to do myself anyway. Haven’t checked taobao for parts, but the nio app doesn’t have replacement parts for sale.
So you can sit in car in 2.0 swap station?
yep
Yup. Soon you will be able to order a coffee while the battery gets swapped. I can totally see that one day going into a swap station will be part of being in a Drive-Thru. It would make sense.
Yea no need to get out or let the nio staff get in the car
What’s the music?? Did you add that?
Yea I put background music
@@Eric_Garrison nice video. It’s cool to actually see what I’m investing in. Thanks for all your time making videos man!
In that time, I could get about 90 miles on my Tesla charging at V3 Supercharger from 20% SOC. 5 more minutes of charging would get me about 70 miles more, so at 10 minutes, I get about 160 miles which is plenty for me.
Do you ever have to wait for other cars to swap their batteries out or do you only come in at your reserved time? With more Nios around, the probability of you having to wait for another car increases logarithmically.
There’s a queue
You forget to mention one can enjoy decreased capacity of Tesla battery over time
@@TrenerBorisFarkas Because you own a Tesla? Mine is about 4 years old and its battery capacity has degraded 6%. That’s pretty good.
@@korswe Tell me more about it after another 4 years
@@korswe but you need to queue for some popular spots as well.
2:33 "Now P 吗？”
哈哈哈哈
He understood :P
I'm going to time my next fuel up
I want one so bad
I was wondering are your Russian?
This is the for video I watch from this channel and is cute too see Nomi with that little hat.
My I ask why the Soviet hat?
Swapping is a dead end.
no. you need both. super chargning has its limits due to hot wires and battary
JUST LIKE (Fossil Fuel) Refuelling, only, (Environmentally) Better. 👍
Was that you getting a reply by the ceo of Nio?
Yea
What is the price for a swap?
it depends. I have 6 free swaps per month included in my BaaS subscription
Eric which baseball Helmet you where looking for to put on Nomi
Sf giants . I’ll get some new hats including that one soon
@@Eric_Garrison ya I saw it on eBay
This is only great when you are first in queue. This idea doesn’t work when u have to queue for it. It is totally not scalable either.
They are in the process of scaling now, will see how it plays out. If there is a queue and you don’t want to wait you can still charge the car. Most swap stations also have charging piles nearby.
He made an appointment to swap the battery before he even got to the station. I think you’re referring to the super charger stations. There’s always a queue there & people can never fully charge batteries because so many people are waiting.
⚡️🔋🏁
Can we buy a personal battery swapp2. 0 for our home?
Doubtful unless you are very rich 😅
@@Eric_Garrison🙏
I wished we have nio in Singapore 😔
swapping station would be worth if EVERYONE drives from peking to hongkong or LA to NY or Paris to istanbul by car... but those are maybe 100 people a year... 1000 miles with recharging 500 miles in 20min is better. for longer distances there planes and maglev trains.
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Ehhh not bad but not thoroughly impressed
Probably by 3.0, you only see robot technicians around...
Doubt it, if there was a error which some dumbass didn’t line up the car enough he will be stuck forever and everyone waiting for him will be pissed
Man.. They still need to hire at least 2 person. So they are burning money 24 hours everyday.... Money losing business.
Exactly no way does this scale up. Cool idea for a boutique manufacturer of 50-100k unit's a year in total production.
Otherwise building them out, staffing them, and supplying 10+pack's to each station. Represents an insane amount of costs.
There must be something wrong... I've been in this exact same swap station twice, didn't take that long.
How long did it take you do you think?
@@Eric_Garrison Feel like 3~4 minutes, doesn't make a huge difference tho. I swapped in a V1.0 station yesterday and it took only 5 minutes, so I guess no matter v1 or v2 swap stations they just keep getting faster with time.
@@rongzheng2902 yea pretty much the same. Big benefit is the additional batteries in 2.0
Maybe you should record video next time post it un-edited or stream the swap in real-time.
yes these cars are expansive, BUT I assume that rich people can not afford to wait 6 hours or overnight for their vehicle to be in active mode. Therefore these cars are best for buissy rich people who wants LUXURY EV
yes with 50-100 miles TODAY its no difference. both would take around 10min. but whats with 1000miles in 10years? super charging has its limits due to hot wires and battary. swapping does not have a limit.
v3 or v4 will get even faster maybe 3min for a swap in 5-10 years. and doesnt matter if 100 miles battary or 1000 miles. it will always be 3min. even if you have to wait for 2-3 people.
9min still faster then a hypothetically super charging a 1000 miles battary. today a hypothetical 1000 miles battary would be around 200 kw. it would take 2-3h with a super charger.
lets assume you have to drive from Cal. to NY. have fun stopping every 300 miles for 30min. with a larger battary with 1000 miles you would have to stop for 2-3h for 100% charge. with swapping it would take 3min for even a 200kw/1000miles battary.
maybe in 10 years itll excist. we dont know. super charging is good but for longer distances on highways you need swapping. so it should be an option. maybe on important highways at least.
it works when governement makes a battary size standard. like gpu, ssd or ram on a pc. if we have industry standards then many companies could use those swap stations. and every body who uses those has to pay a monthly fee.
There not many people who drive long distances. there not even many routes where you would need more then 1000 miles. LA to NY, NY to miami, paris to athen, berlin to istanbul, shanghai to shenzen, pekin to wuhan.
Maybe we dont need it and tesla manages to make a 1000 miles battary with recharging 500 miles in 20 min. maybe in 10 years. because I dont think that we need a better battary then 1000 miles. for even 1% of people who drive long distances.
1000 miles and recharging 500 miles in 20min would be enough. that would mean 1500 miles with a 20min stop. thats nearly LA to Houston. 2 more stops for 20min and youre nearly at DC.
thats way more then paris to athens or Berlin to Istanbul or Pekin to Shenzen. how many people drive from paris to athens? LA to newyork is the longest distance I could imagine someone driving. those are maybe 10 people a year.
so swapping is not worth it. you dont need it. unless we dump planes and maglev trains in the trash can and everyone drives with a car from europe to asia XD only and only then 2000 miles battary and 3min swapping would be worth it.
but I dont think that chinease people would stop using maglev trains and instantly start driving by car from one side of the country to the other. or american stop using planes and going by car.
Tesla is ancient
100% recharge in 5min... tesla beat that...