I think I speak for all non-UK based viewers: would you please add the metric system equivalent to the miles and mph you mention during the video? A simple text overlayed on the video would suffice. Thank you!
I completely agree. It could be done so easily and cater to SO MUCH more people... But it always seems like people from the UK and the US just don't give a damn about people from the rest of the world.
Yes I had my calculator out and paused the video to do calculations. Interestingly a couple of USA channels I have been watching have started showing metric units as well as imperial - which is very welcome!
I am from the UK and agree with you. Whilst this has clearly been created for the uk market, I agree that this added information would benefit many other viewers. Take note @whatcar
Yes, the last couple of recalcitrants using metrics are the UK and USA. We also use the more easily understandable kWh per 100km as the measure of efficiency.
It's hard to tell if toyota is not intentionally designing poor value EVs. How hard can it be to make an economical EV? This will bode poorly for toyota if they don't lift their game and quickly.
@@2810Madif they made a better EV they could trickle that tech into their hybrids. If their hybrids were perfected as you say the EV motors should be more efficient.
Ah the Jeep Avenger. Awarded car of the year before there were even pre-production test units. There definitely wasn't any back-door dealings there. Pinnacle of quality
It's like Hyundai Ioniq 6 receiving car design of the year award, when it is clearly one of the ugliest cars in motor history. It's uglier than Hyundais own Coupé/Tiburon from twenty years ago. It looks like a banana with a load of stupid spoilers added on the back. Hyundai Coupé and Saab 900 had a baby. To make things worse, the concept version of it was beautiful. Car makers have the make-a-beautiful-concept-car-but-an-ugly-production-car thing down to a fine science.
My first thoughts "Awarded car of the year.. Has the worst range of them all.." So the number one concern for EV buyers - range - is terrible. Yeah let's give this thing a major award!
Well, given Jeep's excellent reputation for design, build quality, reliability and after sales service, they would never have been given COTY if anyone had actually reviewed them.
@hishamg Given the Y sells more units than the 3 I would have liked to see it too. Assume 30% less than claimed range is always a safe bet on EVs. Maybe 25% less for the Y.
For context, the Tesla superchargers price right now ranges from 0.38p to 0.55p/kWh, much less than £0.79p/kWh.... but not just that! it shows you the price in the car, for that day, with a bar chart which shows the varying prices at different times of the day.
@@sz4128it comes down to where you charge, when you are charging home the tesla network advantage plays no role in that equation for the consumer, but certainly is great benefit for others who charge frequently on the road.
Ionity for the Mercedes/Volkswagen etc is £0.53p/kwh in the UK. In France i was getting 0.35c/kwh on the Ionity superchargers which is an absolute bargain!
It's insane to think that just 35 years back (which, in the grand scheme of things is not that long ago), you could have bought a 2-4 bedroom house in the London suburbs within the price range of these cars!
I have a hard time comprehending how such high-budget and professionally produced piece of content can make financial sense to provide for free on the internet! 12 brand new EVs, on a closed off private track all recorded by a team of professionals and presented by two great journalists. Really good job guys, no doubt you've got one of my likes
Good idea. We have 2019 M3LR pre heat pump with 60,000 miles. Seems to have changed very little from new. Summer 270 Winter 230. Latest model is better.
I agree, but 95% of these cars won't be around in 5 years. Most of them need a battery replacement by that point, and their owners usually trade them in on something else rather than eat the cost.
@@richmaniow Not for me mate, wouldn't touch one. There's simply no way of knowing the true health of the battery. With an engine I know what to test, I can even bring my compression tester, but a battery? Even the maker can't tell you how much life it has left.
@@bigglyguy8429 Whilst it doesn't show in the Tesla app, the battery health for a Tesla can be monitored with a third party app and it measures the degradation over time. My car is 4 years old and has 35k miles on it and the battery degradation is at 3%. This is the sort of thing that all EV manufacturers should make available and would help people decide on which used car to buy.
The heat pump makes a much bigger difference with short daily journeys, bringing the batter and cabin temperature up from cold, to body temperature each time. Constant driving makes less difference.
Well, if you can pre-heat the car directly from the plug I guess it also works. I think heat pump is for countries with really harsh winters or cars with a small battery where you have to squeeze every km out of it.
It does, it means you will get improved efficiency and therefore reduced cost. Short journeys are far more common than a constant speed drive which is not realistic for most drives @@tomerberman3424
And it would also make a larger difference with other manufacturers than VW-Group, because their heat pump is way worse than pretty much everyone else (Tesla, Hyundai, ...). I've had an ID.3 with heat pump for about 3 years now and if I'd buy a VW again I'd buy it without a heat pump.
@@EnderGZ86Below -15°C, the heat pump coefficient of performance is typically the same as a resistive heater. The heat pump makes the most sense between 0°C and 18°C.
Yup...recharge anxiety is more of an issue with us too....esp since we fell for the BZ that was available at the time while everything else (or even another BZ) was n 18 month wait and our previous car just finally fell apart. I still can't believe that a joint operation between two major and reliable car manufacturers could put out something ten years behind its time. The dealer we bought from (Like many other I suspect) don't have a clue about electric cars and don't seem interested in going to bat for us on the things that need attending to....i.e. Port Alberni Toyota. Our reliable range is only 320 km (with 10% reserve to allow for non-functioning chargers) allows us to go most places as stations are installed in more places. AND finally BC Hydro is charging for kW and not minutes so we get a break on that at least. Used to cost us twice as much as everybody else due to the incredibly slow charge uptake. Strange that they use the same batteries as ever9one else but insist on keeping the charge rate low. Last Toyota ever for me.
Whilst the drop in range in EVs does have a greater impact on journeys due to charging times taking longer than filling up with fuel, the manufacturers using unrealistic claims isn’t exclusive to EV. My 1L ecoboost engine claims to have an MPG of 55.4 and has achieved 38 (31.5% drop) over the 5 years I have had it. My ID3 achieves 200 miles in colder weather against a claimed 263 range (24% drop). And does about 220-230 in the summer Nice to see you include home charging rates in your figures this time… nearly every EV owner uses these tariffs and it is important people know that these exist. Would be good if you did a similar test with ICE cars and EVs in to compare.
For the fastest charging cars, they are quicker on long journeys than petrol cars. Now none of them charge more quickly than petrol but the actual Human in the car needs a rest after a 3-4 HR to be safe. Biobreak and for concentration. So if you're having a 30 min lunch stop you're car is fully charged and you leave. If you have a 30 break in a petrol car add 5 minutes to stand topping up on the end.
Those small 3 cylinder turbos are fuel guzzlers. My Peugeot 3008 1.2 Puretech does 20mpg on the school run. Volvo XC40 2.0 B4 was doing about 33mpg under the same circumstance. My old Golf with an ancient 1.6 FSI was doing about 28mpg. Honestly was shocked at first but saw lots of people with the same issues. Toyota right size (Yaris 1.5l, Corolla 1.8l or 2.0l, RAV4 2.5l), don’t turbo charge and lead Whatcars fuel economy league tables.
Looks like i'm sticking with my 2006 Peugeot Expert Diesel, just done Cornwall and back almost 900 miles and only one refill on the way back which took about 4 minutes. :o)
Did you also measure how much energy the cars needed to full charge again? That is much more interesting than calculate efficiency acoording to claimed usable size of battery. VW for example works in reality with some 72 kWh instead of claimed 77 kWh according to many other test and measurements.
Yes, that would be the most relevant metric for efficiency. I suspect that BYD is giving the gross battery capacity instead of the net capacity. Most manufacturers give both, and even then the real usable figure is slightly less than the claimed one. So charging back to 100% seems the most realistic measurement.
@@Alberto-mq7gwIt always depends on what you want to look at. The consumption without charging losses is relevant for the range. Including charging losses (except with a Tesla on a SuC, as only the kWh that actually reach the battery are charged) in the cost calculation
They said they used the 'usable battery' for their calculations. I thought Tesla doesn't say what that is, though, so those efficieny numbers might be off.
I'll have range over efficiency, and so will everyone who uses a big car for bigger journey which is what a big car is intended for. So, EV is out of question.
@@MyRealNameI don't understand why you think this is a dichotomy. They're saying that both are important. Which is true in ICE vehicles too. The soccer moms buying gas SUVs and minivans ALSO care about miles per gallon when they choose a car. Even if they never drive the back roads of Nevada with a hundred miles to the next station, the inefficiency directly translates to MONEY spent on fuel. It has always mattered, in big cars especially because the numbers are already so low, so any impact hurts even more.
@@Cyrribrae What about "Hundreds of miles to the next charging station`? As regards what they drive in the US, I wouldn`t know.....what I do know is what I drive in the cold, damp UK....a 2020 Vauxhall Corsa Diesel.....2 mins to fill up, 650 mile range @ 70mpg, cost me 12 grand at 2 years old. If we are talking `efficient`, you cannot look further than diesel power....which is the reason ALL products, no matter what they are, get from A to B under diesel power!
@@enrobsorussell What about "most people don't ever need to drive hundreds of miles to the next charging station"? I live in Canada which according to people like you should be one of the worst place on earth to buy an EV and it's 10 times more practical than any gas car I've ever owned. Keep wasting money on fuel driving a slow ancient boat if you want, but no one cares.
@@MrArcticPOWER You need to get up to speed...it was him above saying a hundred miles to a gas station, so I said `what about a hundred....." I also said, "Evs have their place" You are just another one wetting his nappy because someone is not interested in your pride and joy.....you never hear af anyone driving an ICE car wetting their pants because someone criticises (Constructively or otherwise) the car they drive. Can we quit with the "Don`t criticise my little baby" sh*t? Either that....or off to the naughty step with you, after a swift swig of Calpol of course.
If a car becomes restricted to 9mph, surely it should be discontinued at that point. You wouldn’t drive for an extra few miles on a road at that speed.
I think it's a better emergency handling setup than just stopping. Because if you where looking at the range estimates you probably made a plan... So you're probably close to a solution to charge. Because at those slow speeds electric cars are at their most efficient. You can realistically boost your range by consciously deciding to go at the minimum highway speed limit instead of the maximum. People don't do this because they don't know and electric cars aren't mass adopted yet... But it is technically true in ICE cras too. So I would rather the car start limping and i can turn on 🔺blinkers rather than having to call a tow truck if i missjudged by 5 or 10 miles. In the same veine, there's no excuse for not having a spare tire... Tesla is stupid for removing it, thank god they don't have the apple effect on the industry and nobody is removing it to follow their trend.
In Norway, the 10y old tesla is 10-15 % loss... but i think that if you know battery care and how to charge in a healthy way. CATL is releasing its 1000km battery packs and dropping the prices with BYD on batteries by 25 to 50%. So in the next ten years, EVs will be laughing.
For me I don't care about the battery health as the fuel save is enough to buy a new one. I always charge my Nissan Leaf 2014 to 100% full and usually runs to 20%, the SOH is around 74%, and this is the battery chemistry come from 10 years ago. And I know there is Leaf 2011 still on road and battery haven't been replaced which is amazing!
You didn’t tell if the BYD Seal was the rwd or awd version. I would assume it was the awd, meaning it had less range than the rwd would have had. Would have been interesting to see if the rwd verions would have beat the model 3 long range.
Which makes the model 3 even more impressive. The awd seal has lower efficiency than the rwd. If the awd seal was used the model 3 would've beaten it by more. The Model 3 was at a disadvantage efficiency wise.
For ICE cars, the 4WD versions are typically less efficient but for EV's this is not always the case. For example the Tesla AWD has two different types of motors, each optimized for different driving situations, and will most of the time only use the most efficient motor. Only when more power is needed, both motors are used. For the Tesla Model 3 the AWD option is linked to the larger battery, so quite a bit more weight, but most of that has nothing to do with the extra front motor.
@@jwstolk The Model 3 RWD has always been more efficient than the AWD regardless. Back when they had the long range RWD, it was more efficient than AWD. You could had 3 passenger in the SR+ to compensate for the weight and you would still get better efficiency.
The thing I miss the most in these tests is how much regen affects the range. i live in a region full of montains and steep slopes so a good regenerative breaking makes all the difference. Some cars with great range on paper(like the VW) have awful regen and can be bested by others like the renault on this
@jamesbutler606 the id7 is too big for my street, it wouldn't turn easily. From vw I have driven the id3 and the old eup and egolf and found they had a weaker regen than my e208 or other I've considered
@@samuxan ok. I too had the ID3, I found the regen quite harsh so rarely used it aside from if I was coming into a 30 from a 60 and needed the slowing power and wasn’t just using cruise control (very rare not to be really as it is phenomenal) Not driven a Peugeot since the 207 - they were taking it to the Germans back then so I can imagine they are still doing well, tiny steering wheels were difficult to use though, was an instant oooh moment when I test drove a golf to replace the 207.
@@abraxastulammo9940 the new gen 2 motors that are in the 2024 onwards vehicles should be better at the energy recuperation due to being a higher power therefore more back - whether that is true I have no idea, I don’t find myself wanting more power than the 200hp I have in my id5, but if it works more efficiently at regular driving speeds then an extra 43% would be fine.
It's not their fault, that is governed by the EPA/WLTP cycles that car manufacturers do not have a say about. Blame the unrealistic test cycles introduced by these organisations
No. You have to drive at the most economical way to get the maximum range. Probably about 45mph and no heating, etc. Efficiency in EVs is usually must better at 50mph than 70mph. This is also true for petrol cars ofc.
@@benw4079 wrong. My ID.3 gets the advertised range during summer without any compromises on driving style or heating/AC. If you don't drive like a lead footed, screech-to-a-halt-at-every-junction moron, and don't do much motorway driving, then the WLTP is actually quite accurate. Of course the majority of drivers have no idea about sensible or economical driving (again, no loss of journey time, just not braking at the last minute) so most people are incapable of getting good mileage from a conventional car or an EV.
I'm just wondering which roads/ motorways in the UK you can drive consistently at 50 or 70 mph! You're often stop/ starting/ crawling or at a complete standstill! One more thing for second-hand buyers can you list the current price for replacing the batteries for each vehicle (parts and labour)
I visited the UK last Summer, rented a car at LHR, and drove highway speed for the vast majority of our trip. Salisbury, Birmingham, Wrexham, Edinburgh, York, Cambridge and back. All fine once a few miles outside London, with only the occasional slowdown.
And then show the cost of a new engine for similar petrol cars. And do a similar test for petrol cars, efficiency, mileage and what happens when you run the car completely dry. Maybe add an oil leak?
@@TheDavestatsA new engine for a petrol/diesel car plus fitting is way, way less than the cost of a battery pack, mate. Plus they can and very often do go for 200k+ miles without any problem at all. An EV simply won’t. Nice try at whataboutism, next time try actually thinking about what you are saying though.
An important point of efficiency is also during long journeys with rapid charging stops. A high efficiency car will get a higher number of miles per kWh charged, which shortens your charging time. For example a Tesla model 3 gets around 700km/h at 150 kW while the XC40 gets around 400 km/h at the same charging speed.
A very interesting and useful test, thanks from a viewer in Ireland that will have these cars available here also. One factor that isn't mentioned and I think should be factored in for all car test, not just EVs, is the car's weight. Weight is such an important factor on so many levels: 1. Running efficiency - the heavier the car, the less efficient it is 2. Charging time - heavier cars tend to need larger batteries 3. Pedestrian safety on impact 4. General environmental impact - due to amount of materials used to build the car 5. Local environmental impact - heavier cars will have higher amounts of tyre and break pollution and we are all discovering just how dangerous these types of pollution really are
So basically, the average EV has about a 30% lower range than claimed. Frankly that's appalling and this level of inaccurate reporting by manufacturers should be illegal.
The range is based on standardised test conditions, not the real world. The same is true of mpg and l/100km figures for ICE vehicles. They are a benchmark for the comparison of vehicles only. Real world range is affected by air temperature, altitude, humidity, road surface conditions, driving style, wind speed, wake effects from other vehicles etc.
@robertbroadbent3038 if all the manufacturers claimed mileages are wrong by roughly the same amount, then the problem isn't the manufacturers claims, its the test procedure that all the manufacturers use (WLTP). This is also the procedure used for ICE vehicles to work out mpg, which is also why those figures don't reflect the real world. The solution to the problem is to amend WLTP to more accurately reflect real world conditions.
Actually the tested conditions are probably a worst case for an EV due to the humidity in the air. The car has to dehumidify and heat which often means running AC and a resistive heater. Colder air with low humidity actually needs less energy to heat.
Great test! Although, I recommend that when the EV cannot maintain 50 mph speed, that should be the end of the test and mark the distance as the result. That will bring the test results between different EV much more consistent and comparable. Because the EV software algorithm varies greatly between manufacturers. Some would let the EV drop to let's say 30 mph immediately after the battery is low, and let EV run a much longer distance (because lower speed require less energy consumption). While other EV may try to maintain 50 mph speed as long as possible until the battery is completely dead. So basically the shape of the drop off cliff is very different between EV. Thus, adding variations to the test results.
Please doublecheck cabin temperatures next time during the test, chinese cars are known to keep the actual cabin temperature a few degrees lower than configured in cold conditions.
I don't belive that not even 1 driver changed the temperature in their car. Also in a test like this, it matters if someone quickly entered a warm car or left a door open for 5 minutes on driver swap. Also a test to be somewhat reliable, it would be nice to do it 3 times to help with accuracy of what they are actually measuring
A point that your analysis highlights very well is that, if running cost is an important part of the purchasing decision, you need to get "there and back again" within your available range so that public charging is a rarity. For the Tesla, your commute needs to be comfortably less than 145 miles each way or for the Lexus RZ 450e less than 75 miles each way. Many of us will only rarely test a car's range on a single journey but you need to plan for both directions to stay on cheap-rate charging.
@@myhandlewastakenandIgaveupwhere did you get half your range from , yea it can be argued that you'll loose around 1/3 of your range but 50% frankly is b/s !
@@davefitzpatrick4841 i owned mine a couple of years ago but turn the car on you would lose between 5 and 20 miles of range. Turn the heat on and every 1 mile of range was twice as expensive. They may have improved since then. I made it one winter after I moved away from being able to charge at home to not (super old house. Exorbitant cost to rewire it) before I switched back to ice.
Talking about running costs without taking into account charging losses is quite misleading. You’re not paying for the electrons that the car uses, but for the electrons that go into the battery. That is dependent on the charger AC/DC but also on the car. BTW, that Seal was way better than the ID.7 on your last comparison Seal/TM3/ID.7 What happened there?
I remember seeing an article about the ridiculously high amount of kWh consumed during night standstull in a garage to keep the car on for SW updates and wake up program and whatnot.
If you have a huge round course is there any reason why you are drafting each other? It ruins and alters the results as the bad aero cars get better results than in normal use and how can you verify the gaps have been same all the time as each cars adaptive cruise keeps different distances. Do you have a data to share how many kilometeres each car lead the pack?
I’m picking up a BYD dolphin like this, it will be the main car used during the week. 6 dollars on electricity compared to 90 a week on fuel, is a difference. I’m in Australia, and l also keep a 4x4 in the drive, for out of town and trips.
@_beccaszn Not sure what congratulating the guys on a Good Test has got to with me buying or driving a Tesla??? Obviously, their technology is good but £49,950 for a melted bar of soap! Why would I buy something that cost £1,000/mth and makes me sick, looking at it..? The Model Y is more practical for a family than the 3... but group 50 insurance!! No dam way!!! I have driven the old Model 3. Dreadful hard suspension. I believe the new 3 is far improved. I actually like the BMW i4. Very nice drive but... inefficient and too expensive.
A very informative and useful test. I feel there is so much focus on the maximum range of an EV that the efficiency is often overlooked. With ICE cars, the focus is usually on mpg or l/100km and there is no mention of the range, yet that still impacts when you need to stop to fill up.
@@sender5804 300-400 is average based on what I can find, but my personal car usually doesn’t even hit the 300 number. It’s really much closer to the typical EV than people realize
Very interesting. The weather conditions you had for the test are quite normal for our spring and fall. Moderate, in other words. It would really be something to see with them on dedicated winter tyres, with temperatures at -20, and with 4 or 5 inches of snow on the ground.
Typical battery degradation runs at 2% per year, then begins to slow a little after 4 or 5 years. I'd expect a reasonably well looked after 5 year old EV to still show a battery SOH (state of health) over 90%, unless it was a Nissan Leaf.
Excellent! I do wish you had included metric equivalent figures , in smaller text, and bracketed maybe... NOT in the spoken info though; that would just be an avalanche of numbers! Predictably, for every question you answered, you raised new questions!
I just acquired '22 T3LR 8500mi for 3/5 cost. Very comparable to conventional vehicle prices. I wanted a Toyota Tacoma but they were running 5k higher than Tesla. Some fair deals used.
Certainly in the UK that's the case. I know it's the primary reason I would not (or could not) buy an EV. I just don't have that sort of money, even with PCP/HP etc and with the insurance/tax/charging and other running costs the saving is pretty much nil.
@@SpareSomeChange8080 Indeed. That's also part of the calculation. Repair/replacement of the parts are expensive to the point that they are prohibitive and you might as well just get another vehicle!
You've touched on the importance of talking about EV efficiency, but I think you've missed the mark. It's not so much about the difference in money since a few hundred pounds a year isn't enough to change a purchasing decision. But it IS a difference in charging time especially on a long journey. A model 3 with high efficiency and the reliable Supercharger network will get you much faster to your destination than a Lexus with 40% worse efficiency and only 50KWh max chargeing rate.
Well here in Ipswich South East Queensland we complain when winter temperatures are less than 10°c but our problem with batteries is when our summer temperatures exceed 35°c. In parts of western Queensland summer temperatures can exceed 45°c From what i have read batteries also hate heat. Could you please give some insight into battery performance in hot climates. Also how about a cost analysis of an electric vehicle versus a hybrid on a drive from London to Lands End and return in the shortest possible time. Thanks forvyour informative comparison.
One flaw with your testing - not all cars will actually stay at the temperature set in the climate control. Bjorn Nyland found that Chinese EVs in particular won’t heat the cabin to anywhere close to the set temp, sometimes >5deg below! This will have a small but noticeable impact on range.
Yes agreed and sure the first tests they did they checked this and only the Megane etech was the only car that messured close to the temperature set on the climate.
I’m hoping (although I have absolutely no evidence for this) that the original Ioniq will return as the “Ioniq 4”, only with faster rapid charging and more range.
“It’s raining and it’s harming their efficiency”. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Look at the miles driven compared to the advertised mileage. It’s criminal lies by the manufacturers.
Fat chance of me buying or spending that sort of cash on a car which can't even take me to see the grandkids on a 340 mile round trip . I'll keep my 2 year old BMW diesel.
oh nooo, a 15-30 minute charging stop while you get a cup of coffee and a snack, or a plug at the grandkids when they also get an EV and a home charger.. THE HORROR!
One of the things I would like to see in your chart is the runtime how many hours and minutes did it actually get on that charge? Kinda how long did it take for you all to run the test and how long did each one last. Enjoyed watching it thank you very much though.
19:38 good to see the £ figures for cheap overnight home charging included in this video , 7p compared to 29p goes to show what a diffrence the right tarrif and smarter usage patterns and can make.
agreed but those people do exist and do charge like that. a lot depends where you live almost all housing on North Wales has off road parking and garages etc. Southern England probably doesn't, they think they are well off with a 700k flat and a parking space lol. We have 4 bedroom bungalows double garages and parking for 5 cars. and it costs 300k. all depends where we choose to live I have lived London chester and northwales and I know why I stayed here.
You guys are so good at dragging the video. The cars introduction could've been done in a matrix with 10 seconds on the screen. Mt attention span was done after the heat pump thingy talk
Nice test. Tesla continues to impress with it's efficiency. Somehow they manage to go further with a smaller battery. The lower weight and better aerodynamics are very impressive. Does the Model 3 LR have LFP or lithium ion batteries? I know some teslas use BYD batteries, I wonder how a BYD with BYD batteries will fare against a Tesla with BYD batteries?
Byd designed the seal for the best of both worlds. Tesla feels like an eletric bumper kart with its intense regeneration one pedal driving. Thats one of the major factors that makes it more efficient. Curious to see the new performance m3's efficiency compared to the seal excellence once its released.
@@jpataca5598 my friend raves about the one pedal driving in his model Y. I've not experienced it myself but I can see how more aggressive regen would give better efficiency in city driving. However for the highway it can be more efficient to allow free wheeling.
7:00 Yes, going to a place with actual winter would be even more interesting. Testing in 6 degrees below what would be considered a nice summer day should not really produce any significant deviations, but clearly it does. Ranges of 25 - 30+ percent below the stated figures show an unreasonable difference between factory numbers and real life imo.
It’s a shame the Polestar 2 Long Range Single Motor wasn’t included when this has a claimed range of 406 miles. I have one and while I can’t get close to that right now, I’m easily achieving at least 4mi/kwh (in winter!). The Model 3 has always been the efficiency king but it would have been nice for a proper comparison between the two updated cars.
You compared the Tesla Long Range, and it's still cheaper than the others? I'm looking forward to this. My diesel ranges from 600-700 miles and does London to St Andrews on less than a tank. On arrival, I'll have enough diesel to outlast the range of your fully charged EVs. PS Why did you compare a medium hatch Tesla 3 with SUVs?
Last year I payed £2000 for an 08 1.9 diesel Skoda Fabia Estate. I can fill the tank and 4 people with all their luggage for a week can travel 6-650 miles comfortably before I have to refill. Probably more . Then I just have to find a fuel station and can refill in 10-15 minutes. One of my favourite holiday destinations here in the UK is 260 miles from my home. I think I will stick to a diesel and leave the disabled scooters alone.
Great video. Thank you. What would be really great , is if you included some numbers for their ICE counterparts, especially efficiency numbers as the range is surely much better for ICE car and not helpful. Being that range is simply result of petrol/diesel having much better energy density then modern batteries. Like should Tesla Model 3 LR be matched to a BMW M3 (similar specs) or BMW 320d? iD.7 can be compared to VW Passat 2.0. So, is there saving money in doing 100km (miles) in EV compared to similar specced ICE car?
What the ?.. real world driving in my BYD performance (the one here is premium) was 497km.. I had 0% and estimated 3km left (was so tempted to push it to 500).. how the heck did you manage to kill the premium (higher range) one in 410km?!.. I am in Australia.. but surely the temp difference (was 25-31C when I did it) wouldn't make it that much worse?
The battery is afraid of low temperatures, and the heating of the air conditioner of electric vehicles is more power-intensive. The tropics are ideal places for electric vehicles.
Very educational video and great test. The results are everything I'd thought they would be, but worse. I think about where all these vehicles will end up discarded so far from being ecological for the environment in every way. Totally stressful journey planning for queues and availability let alone the public costs. For me from all the videos I'm watching lately over a period of time how many hours would be spent trying find charging points that work and twiddling my thumbs waiting or queuing then waiting in my busy work days. Just watched a video of a chap going around Scotland in his EV desperately trying to find chargers in action or that take various methods of paying totally stressed out and planning something useful to do whilst waiting. No chance I'd ever be doing this, petrol stations are long enough fill and go.
I am not particularly interested in the combined range since I will have plenty of charging opportunities. What I am interested in is the constant 130 km/h range. That's when I need the range. Also such test will reward aerodynamic and light cars. This test video do not reveal the roadtrip abilities...
At the end, they should measure the energy taken at a 7kw charger. It does a great job calculating the energy taken without too much to thermal influence. Any comparison should be calculated.
THANK YOU for finally recognising that most EV owners don’t pay the 29p rate, and for including the 7p rate, and also showing the rapid charger rate. Paints a proper picture.
Paints a proper picture if what that they are overpriced under ranged junk. That you have to leave plugged in all night just to get 150 miles at cheap rate lol.
“We are going to show you exactly what happens when the battery runs out of charge”. Well….it stops…as an ICE car would do, when it runs out of petrol.
@@matthewmanzi9504 What they are designed for and how long they actually last can be two different things. We’ve all read about 15-20K quotes for battery replacements. Someone is going to get a lemon.
@@matthewmanzi9504 what about all the write offs when the battery cover has a dent from debris being on the road, and the warranty gets invalidated but the new battery costs more than the car? 🥹
Epic data thanks, great job. Winter vs summer testing would also be good. Maybe if all the cars start at 20% charge you can save some time ;) Also tyres might play a big part in this.
Do a review on how many private buyers in oppose to lease, company or salary sacrifice schemes. The depreciation on them is epic. Second-hand car dealers are reluctant to take them
Imagine a world where only electric car's existed, then a newer system came with an ice engine came along. It weighs half as much, it goes 500 miles on a full tank which is the size of a suitcase and is ready to go in a 10th of the time. Everyone would rave about them.
They brake down a lot more often, smell, don't drive nearly as well, and are super loud. You can't forget any of these things in your imagery world. I know in places like London not everyone has a driveway. For me here in Aus, though, it's the opposite. It takes me 15 seconds to plug my car in when I get home; it's far easier and faster for me to keep a ‘full tank’ in the EV compared to screwing around at petrol stations. Electricity is way cheaper than fuel. Not to mention the absolute joy of driving electric over combustion; it truly feels archaic driving them now. I don't think your comment stands up to scrutiny. Not to me anyways.
Why are EVs being so scrutinised.. don't see anyone questioning mpg and the range of petrol and diesel cars lol or how true the emissions that come out of the exhaust are, bet as soon as you rev then engine the emissions are much higher that what they say they are just as an example.
Odd thing to say, however they are much better in the sense they don't directly pollute the air we breathe with poisonous gases and our children breathe so I prefer EVs and it is interesting how they keep getting better so you'll see more and more on the road over time over many years ❤
@@petervanhookeI would only buy secondhand for good deals especially at the moment but in a few years time EVs will be on par with combustion vehicles when new, then it's just a personal choice.
@@sargfowler9603 That and the fact that cheaper renewable electricity is hard coupled to the wholesale price of gas, with a criminally corrupt government that takes backhander bungs from fossil fuel mates and has no interest in changing that.
The cars that got within 25% of their claimed range are not much different from my petrol car, which is currently missing it's WLTP combined fuel consumption figure by around 30% due to stop-start commuting in cold temps.
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 no, as I said in my post, I have a petrol car. It's a BMW 128ti, 2 litre, four cylinder turbo. I don't have an EV, and have never owned or leased one. But, I have test driven a few.
I live in a coastal community, and don’t drive EV’s in my family. The tire wear is 20% higher than our existing cars it contributes to microplastics in our ocean community. It is literally equivalent to grinding up thousands of plastic bottles and dumping them into our estuaries. Tire wear on all vehicles is the leading contributor to microplastics in the food chain. When you choose an EV, you increase that by at least 20% as soon as you drive it off the showroom floor. This is due to the excessive weight of the vehicle. Think about tossing water bottles out the window anytime you drive across a waterway….this is essentially what you are doing. The one advantage EV’s have over the water bottle is that the EV’s microplastics are MRE’s for marine life….already broken down into tiny tidbits.
I think I speak for all non-UK based viewers: would you please add the metric system equivalent to the miles and mph you mention during the video? A simple text overlayed on the video would suffice. Thank you!
I completely agree. It could be done so easily and cater to SO MUCH more people...
But it always seems like people from the UK and the US just don't give a damn about people from the rest of the world.
They ironically probably have more viewers watching from outside the UK too
Yes I had my calculator out and paused the video to do calculations. Interestingly a couple of USA channels I have been watching have started showing metric units as well as imperial - which is very welcome!
I am from the UK and agree with you. Whilst this has clearly been created for the uk market, I agree that this added information would benefit many other viewers.
Take note @whatcar
Yes, the last couple of recalcitrants using metrics are the UK and USA. We also use the more easily understandable kWh per 100km as the measure of efficiency.
Now I get why toyota keep saying bad stuff about EV while themself making such a bad EV. Its horrid.
I know right. Can’t believe anyone would buy that. Some people love throwing their money out the windows for the sake of “having a Toyota”.
Toyota simply has been left behind on ev tech. Hence they will badmouth it.
Toyota just do their own thing and that's hybrids and they've perfected them
It's hard to tell if toyota is not intentionally designing poor value EVs. How hard can it be to make an economical EV? This will bode poorly for toyota if they don't lift their game and quickly.
@@2810Madif they made a better EV they could trickle that tech into their hybrids. If their hybrids were perfected as you say the EV motors should be more efficient.
The big takeaway here these cars are going to average 30% less mileage than advertised on a rainy day.
It's not exactly that. It's that in high speeds on motorway the actual range is, in average, 30% less of what they claim.
It's normal in the industry.
Ah the Jeep Avenger. Awarded car of the year before there were even pre-production test units. There definitely wasn't any back-door dealings there. Pinnacle of quality
It scored well on efficiency surprisingly though. Seems like a great car.
It's like Hyundai Ioniq 6 receiving car design of the year award, when it is clearly one of the ugliest cars in motor history. It's uglier than Hyundais own Coupé/Tiburon from twenty years ago. It looks like a banana with a load of stupid spoilers added on the back. Hyundai Coupé and Saab 900 had a baby. To make things worse, the concept version of it was beautiful. Car makers have the make-a-beautiful-concept-car-but-an-ugly-production-car thing down to a fine science.
@@savedfaves yes "clearly". Looks are never subjective, that much this guy has figured out.. I for one find it good looking
My first thoughts "Awarded car of the year.. Has the worst range of them all.." So the number one concern for EV buyers - range - is terrible. Yeah let's give this thing a major award!
Well, given Jeep's excellent reputation for design, build quality, reliability and after sales service, they would never have been given COTY if anyone had actually reviewed them.
Excellent. Would have loved to see the Ioniq 5 and 6 and Model Y in this too…
Me too. I’m surprised that they left those 3 out, especially the TMY.
@hishamg Given the Y sells more units than the 3 I would have liked to see it too. Assume 30% less than claimed range is always a safe bet on EVs. Maybe 25% less for the Y.
Ioniq 6, especially the one with 18 inch wheels, would certainly have challenged the winners.
Where was NIO ? 150 kw battery range 650 miles !
@@MrLangson It's China only. They get all the good stuff.
No Kia or Hyundai? Seriously? You see more of those on the road than any of the others bar the Tesla.
For context, the Tesla superchargers price right now ranges from 0.38p to 0.55p/kWh, much less than £0.79p/kWh.... but not just that! it shows you the price in the car, for that day, with a bar chart which shows the varying prices at different times of the day.
Hence why tesla makes more sense than anything else.
@@sz4128it comes down to where you charge, when you are charging home the tesla network advantage plays no role in that equation for the consumer, but certainly is great benefit for others who charge frequently on the road.
Ionity for the Mercedes/Volkswagen etc is £0.53p/kwh in the UK. In France i was getting 0.35c/kwh on the Ionity superchargers which is an absolute bargain!
@@sz4128Tesla makes no sense like any EV in the current market just a pointless depreciating money pit.
@@davidlewis4399clearly hasn’t driven one
It's insane to think that just 35 years back (which, in the grand scheme of things is not that long ago), you could have bought a 2-4 bedroom house in the London suburbs within the price range of these cars!
Yep there still silly money for something that sits on the drive 90% of the day !
@@TheSmallRabbit well, I'm also not stting in all my rooms in my house for 90% of the day.
@@drfisheye😂
You couldn't buy a chicken coop for that money these days
These days a small house in London is about the price of a private jet
I have a hard time comprehending how such high-budget and professionally produced piece of content can make financial sense to provide for free on the internet!
12 brand new EVs, on a closed off private track all recorded by a team of professionals and presented by two great journalists. Really good job guys, no doubt you've got one of my likes
Regrettably only presented in a format for 5 countries instead of the 190 others is sad.
Just keep clicking.
Cars were undoubtedly press loaners, so the total cost was less than you think.
I think an interesting test would be new against 5yrs old second hand cars range and depreciation and costs involved .
Good idea. We have 2019 M3LR pre heat pump with 60,000 miles. Seems to have changed very little from new. Summer 270 Winter 230. Latest model is better.
Yep, the used EV market is going to grow rapidly in the next few years.
I agree, but 95% of these cars won't be around in 5 years. Most of them need a battery replacement by that point, and their owners usually trade them in on something else rather than eat the cost.
@@richmaniow Not for me mate, wouldn't touch one. There's simply no way of knowing the true health of the battery. With an engine I know what to test, I can even bring my compression tester, but a battery? Even the maker can't tell you how much life it has left.
@@bigglyguy8429 Whilst it doesn't show in the Tesla app, the battery health for a Tesla can be monitored with a third party app and it measures the degradation over time. My car is 4 years old and has 35k miles on it and the battery degradation is at 3%. This is the sort of thing that all EV manufacturers should make available and would help people decide on which used car to buy.
The heat pump makes a much bigger difference with short daily journeys, bringing the batter and cabin temperature up from cold, to body temperature each time. Constant driving makes less difference.
But in short drives there is no range anxiety whatsoever, so again it, doesn't make much of a difference
Well, if you can pre-heat the car directly from the plug I guess it also works. I think heat pump is for countries with really harsh winters or cars with a small battery where you have to squeeze every km out of it.
It does, it means you will get improved efficiency and therefore reduced cost. Short journeys are far more common than a constant speed drive which is not realistic for most drives @@tomerberman3424
And it would also make a larger difference with other manufacturers than VW-Group, because their heat pump is way worse than pretty much everyone else (Tesla, Hyundai, ...). I've had an ID.3 with heat pump for about 3 years now and if I'd buy a VW again I'd buy it without a heat pump.
@@EnderGZ86Below -15°C, the heat pump coefficient of performance is typically the same as a resistive heater. The heat pump makes the most sense between 0°C and 18°C.
as James May said, it's more likly recharge anxiety not range anxiety. & i can't agree more
Yup...recharge anxiety is more of an issue with us too....esp since we fell for the BZ that was available at the time while everything else (or even another BZ) was n 18 month wait and our previous car just finally fell apart. I still can't believe that a joint operation between two major and reliable car manufacturers could put out something ten years behind its time. The dealer we bought from (Like many other I suspect) don't have a clue about electric cars and don't seem interested in going to bat for us on the things that need attending to....i.e. Port Alberni Toyota.
Our reliable range is only 320 km (with 10% reserve to allow for non-functioning chargers) allows us to go most places as stations are installed in more places. AND finally BC Hydro is charging for kW and not minutes so we get a break on that at least. Used to cost us twice as much as everybody else due to the incredibly slow charge uptake. Strange that they use the same batteries as ever9one else but insist on keeping the charge rate low. Last Toyota ever for me.
Doesn’t he have a hydrogen fuelled car?
That’s anxiety inducing on all sorts of levels.
An interesting test would be to repeat this on the same cars but with them all being 3 years old...
Nice work!
That implies all the cars were taken care of the same way, which is just not consistent between people. It makes little sense doing that.
3 years won't make much difference.
Whilst the drop in range in EVs does have a greater impact on journeys due to charging times taking longer than filling up with fuel, the manufacturers using unrealistic claims isn’t exclusive to EV.
My 1L ecoboost engine claims to have an MPG of 55.4 and has achieved 38 (31.5% drop) over the 5 years I have had it.
My ID3 achieves 200 miles in colder weather against a claimed 263 range (24% drop). And does about 220-230 in the summer
Nice to see you include home charging rates in your figures this time… nearly every EV owner uses these tariffs and it is important people know that these exist.
Would be good if you did a similar test with ICE cars and EVs in to compare.
Impact on longer journeys. Your daily commute remains zero time spent with overnight charging at home.
@@dirkbester9050 agreed, definitely enjoy only going to the petrol station once every month for the second car
For the fastest charging cars, they are quicker on long journeys than petrol cars.
Now none of them charge more quickly than petrol but the actual Human in the car needs a rest after a 3-4 HR to be safe. Biobreak and for concentration. So if you're having a 30 min lunch stop you're car is fully charged and you leave. If you have a 30 break in a petrol car add 5 minutes to stand topping up on the end.
Those small 3 cylinder turbos are fuel guzzlers. My Peugeot 3008 1.2 Puretech does 20mpg on the school run. Volvo XC40 2.0 B4 was doing about 33mpg under the same circumstance. My old Golf with an ancient 1.6 FSI was doing about 28mpg.
Honestly was shocked at first but saw lots of people with the same issues.
Toyota right size (Yaris 1.5l, Corolla 1.8l or 2.0l, RAV4 2.5l), don’t turbo charge and lead Whatcars fuel economy league tables.
meanwhile ev will get 4m/kwh on the school run, and usually have bigger tyre to park on the pavement double yellows too.@@disarchitected
Looks like i'm sticking with my 2006 Peugeot Expert Diesel, just done Cornwall and back almost 900 miles and only one refill on the way back which took about 4 minutes. :o)
Yup my good old Volvo diesel is staying with me for the foreseeable future
Me too. My XC 60 does 660 miles on a tank of diesel, whatever the weather. @@daylightdies7194
Did you have a rest in the trip? if you did not have ,that's very terrible,perhaps the EV will correct your bad driving habits!son
900 miles in my e-Niro cost me £15.
@@steve51158 how do you work that out, figures please. and how many hours of waiting about would you have to add to your journey time.
Did you also measure how much energy the cars needed to full charge again? That is much more interesting than calculate efficiency acoording to claimed usable size of battery. VW for example works in reality with some 72 kWh instead of claimed 77 kWh according to many other test and measurements.
This would indeed be very interesting and relevant to know, since the charging losses differ as well.
Yes, that would be the most relevant metric for efficiency. I suspect that BYD is giving the gross battery capacity instead of the net capacity. Most manufacturers give both, and even then the real usable figure is slightly less than the claimed one. So charging back to 100% seems the most realistic measurement.
@@Alberto-mq7gwIt always depends on what you want to look at. The consumption without charging losses is relevant for the range.
Including charging losses (except with a Tesla on a SuC, as only the kWh that actually reach the battery are charged) in the cost calculation
It's not clear whether they displayed the net or gross battery capacity. It's not the same thing of course.
They said they used the 'usable battery' for their calculations. I thought Tesla doesn't say what that is, though, so those efficieny numbers might be off.
Thank you gentlemen for thoroughly explaining the importance of efficiency and that it is not all about ‘range’.
I'll have range over efficiency, and so will everyone who uses a big car for bigger journey which is what a big car is intended for. So, EV is out of question.
@@MyRealNameI don't understand why you think this is a dichotomy. They're saying that both are important. Which is true in ICE vehicles too. The soccer moms buying gas SUVs and minivans ALSO care about miles per gallon when they choose a car. Even if they never drive the back roads of Nevada with a hundred miles to the next station, the inefficiency directly translates to MONEY spent on fuel.
It has always mattered, in big cars especially because the numbers are already so low, so any impact hurts even more.
@@Cyrribrae What about "Hundreds of miles to the next charging station`?
As regards what they drive in the US, I wouldn`t know.....what I do know is what I drive in the cold, damp UK....a 2020 Vauxhall Corsa Diesel.....2 mins to fill up, 650 mile range @ 70mpg, cost me 12 grand at 2 years old. If we are talking `efficient`, you cannot look further than diesel power....which is the reason ALL products, no matter what they are, get from A to B under diesel power!
@@enrobsorussell What about "most people don't ever need to drive hundreds of miles to the next charging station"?
I live in Canada which according to people like you should be one of the worst place on earth to buy an EV and it's 10 times more practical than any gas car I've ever owned. Keep wasting money on fuel driving a slow ancient boat if you want, but no one cares.
@@MrArcticPOWER You need to get up to speed...it was him above saying a hundred miles to a gas station, so I said `what about a hundred....."
I also said, "Evs have their place"
You are just another one wetting his nappy because someone is not interested in your pride and joy.....you never hear af anyone driving an ICE car wetting their pants because someone criticises (Constructively or otherwise) the car they drive.
Can we quit with the "Don`t criticise my little baby" sh*t?
Either that....or off to the naughty step with you, after a swift swig of Calpol of course.
UA-cam should just use Ai to add an auto converter for weights and measurements that would briefly appear on screen whenever needed.
AI? They already detect the subs from the voice, might as well just convert these on the fly.
All they care about is throwing adds and forcing people to buy premium stuff
If a car becomes restricted to 9mph, surely it should be discontinued at that point.
You wouldn’t drive for an extra few miles on a road at that speed.
I think it's a better emergency handling setup than just stopping. Because if you where looking at the range estimates you probably made a plan... So you're probably close to a solution to charge.
Because at those slow speeds electric cars are at their most efficient. You can realistically boost your range by consciously deciding to go at the minimum highway speed limit instead of the maximum. People don't do this because they don't know and electric cars aren't mass adopted yet... But it is technically true in ICE cras too.
So I would rather the car start limping and i can turn on 🔺blinkers rather than having to call a tow truck if i missjudged by 5 or 10 miles. In the same veine, there's no excuse for not having a spare tire... Tesla is stupid for removing it, thank god they don't have the apple effect on the industry and nobody is removing it to follow their trend.
If you have to chose paying for a tow or to charge at a DCFC 1 mile away, I see very well the reason to continuing to drive even if it is @ 9mph.
You always have the option of stopping if it's unsafe. But I'd rather have the option than not haha.
Afaik WLTP range is until the car cannot go 62 mph anymore.
Of course you would if you were just a few miles from home.
A test of the Model S against the EQE and ID.7 would be really interesting. After all, they're the same size and weight.
My bigger question is how long can it drive after 7 years
In Norway, the 10y old tesla is 10-15 % loss... but i think that if you know battery care and how to charge in a healthy way. CATL is releasing its 1000km battery packs and dropping the prices with BYD on batteries by 25 to 50%. So in the next ten years, EVs will be laughing.
@@shawncooper8131If you know "battery care" you are already at a 40% loss since you ain't using the top 15% and the bottom 25%.
For me I don't care about the battery health as the fuel save is enough to buy a new one.
I always charge my Nissan Leaf 2014 to 100% full and usually runs to 20%, the SOH is around 74%, and this is the battery chemistry come from 10 years ago.
And I know there is Leaf 2011 still on road and battery haven't been replaced which is amazing!
As importantly, what would it be worth after 7 years? - or even after 3 years?
at 10 years... its zero miles... due to battery failure
Very good, balanced and informative. Thank you.
You didn’t tell if the BYD Seal was the rwd or awd version. I would assume it was the awd, meaning it had less range than the rwd would have had. Would have been interesting to see if the rwd verions would have beat the model 3 long range.
It was the rwd seal in this video
Yeah, but the Model 3 is AWD.
Which makes the model 3 even more impressive. The awd seal has lower efficiency than the rwd. If the awd seal was used the model 3 would've beaten it by more.
The Model 3 was at a disadvantage efficiency wise.
For ICE cars, the 4WD versions are typically less efficient but for EV's this is not always the case. For example the Tesla AWD has two different types of motors, each optimized for different driving situations, and will most of the time only use the most efficient motor. Only when more power is needed, both motors are used. For the Tesla Model 3 the AWD option is linked to the larger battery, so quite a bit more weight, but most of that has nothing to do with the extra front motor.
@@jwstolk The Model 3 RWD has always been more efficient than the AWD regardless. Back when they had the long range RWD, it was more efficient than AWD. You could had 3 passenger in the SR+ to compensate for the weight and you would still get better efficiency.
15:05 would be great if you added another number miles per price tag
The thing I miss the most in these tests is how much regen affects the range. i live in a region full of montains and steep slopes so a good regenerative breaking makes all the difference. Some cars with great range on paper(like the VW) have awful regen and can be bested by others like the renault on this
driven the new id7? i have the 5 and the regen is too strong for most driving i don't tend to use it unless i am somewhere hilly.
@jamesbutler606 the id7 is too big for my street, it wouldn't turn easily. From vw I have driven the id3 and the old eup and egolf and found they had a weaker regen than my e208 or other I've considered
@@samuxan ok. I too had the ID3, I found the regen quite harsh so rarely used it aside from if I was coming into a 30 from a 60 and needed the slowing power and wasn’t just using cruise control (very rare not to be really as it is phenomenal)
Not driven a Peugeot since the 207 - they were taking it to the Germans back then so I can imagine they are still doing well, tiny steering wheels were difficult to use though, was an instant oooh moment when I test drove a golf to replace the 207.
According to tests by Ecodriver in the Innsbruck area the MEB cars have excellent recuperation/regenerative braking.
@@abraxastulammo9940 the new gen 2 motors that are in the 2024 onwards vehicles should be better at the energy recuperation due to being a higher power therefore more back - whether that is true I have no idea, I don’t find myself wanting more power than the 200hp I have in my id5, but if it works more efficiently at regular driving speeds then an extra 43% would be fine.
Majority having a range less than 100miles of the advertised range is just diabolical... criminal even there are advertising laws
It's not their fault, that is governed by the EPA/WLTP cycles that car manufacturers do not have a say about. Blame the unrealistic test cycles introduced by these organisations
The only use these numbers have is comparing one car against another. There is not enough information to tell people that.
No. You have to drive at the most economical way to get the maximum range. Probably about 45mph and no heating, etc. Efficiency in EVs is usually must better at 50mph than 70mph. This is also true for petrol cars ofc.
@@benw4079 wrong. My ID.3 gets the advertised range during summer without any compromises on driving style or heating/AC. If you don't drive like a lead footed, screech-to-a-halt-at-every-junction moron, and don't do much motorway driving, then the WLTP is actually quite accurate.
Of course the majority of drivers have no idea about sensible or economical driving (again, no loss of journey time, just not braking at the last minute) so most people are incapable of getting good mileage from a conventional car or an EV.
@@TheTomporter I'm not wrong, but thanks for sharing. I have an iDé.
I'm just wondering which roads/ motorways in the UK you can drive consistently at 50 or 70 mph! You're often stop/ starting/ crawling or at a complete standstill! One more thing for second-hand buyers can you list the current price for replacing the batteries for each vehicle (parts and labour)
I visited the UK last Summer, rented a car at LHR, and drove highway speed for the vast majority of our trip. Salisbury, Birmingham, Wrexham, Edinburgh, York, Cambridge and back. All fine once a few miles outside London, with only the occasional slowdown.
And then show the cost of a new engine for similar petrol cars. And do a similar test for petrol cars, efficiency, mileage and what happens when you run the car completely dry. Maybe add an oil leak?
@@TheDavestatsA new engine for a petrol/diesel car plus fitting is way, way less than the cost of a battery pack, mate. Plus they can and very often do go for 200k+ miles without any problem at all. An EV simply won’t. Nice try at whataboutism, next time try actually thinking about what you are saying though.
Saw a video from Canada. Kia charges $56K for a replacement battery, not including installation. Get outta here with these EV’s.
Any of them in Scotland! I used to to do 2k miles a month on motorway, 100 miles 4 times a day and never stopped.
An important point of efficiency is also during long journeys with rapid charging stops. A high efficiency car will get a higher number of miles per kWh charged, which shortens your charging time. For example a Tesla model 3 gets around 700km/h at 150 kW while the XC40 gets around 400 km/h at the same charging speed.
Or stick with ice and spend 5mins filling up for 500 miles + at least
@@gunnyhighway4422to spend more time overall at a gas station than at a charging station, no thank you.
@@bp495599 what planet are you living on 🤣
@@gunnyhighway4422 Do the math, I charge at home and don't have to go to a gas station every week or so.
@@bp495599Doing 500+ miles 🤔
Cheers from Canada where 11*C is tropical. 😅Fantastic video. Thank you!
yea but we can get 11c in summer
@@neilyone 50c 😂
These EVs will go 💥
Fair point mine does drop in range at lower temps! But I’m still always picking an EV in future if I have the choice (in UK)
Well Done What Car, a very well put together video. I think you have been listening to the comments!
you should have tested ioniq 5 and ioniq 6
exactly. and from KIA as well.
But sadly they can't live up to their figures. 1,45 kWh /10km (at speed 110-120 km/h) is good though.
The Moronic 5 and 6. Oh dear
A very interesting and useful test, thanks from a viewer in Ireland that will have these cars available here also.
One factor that isn't mentioned and I think should be factored in for all car test, not just EVs, is the car's weight.
Weight is such an important factor on so many levels:
1. Running efficiency - the heavier the car, the less efficient it is
2. Charging time - heavier cars tend to need larger batteries
3. Pedestrian safety on impact
4. General environmental impact - due to amount of materials used to build the car
5. Local environmental impact - heavier cars will have higher amounts of tyre and break pollution and we are all discovering just how dangerous these types of pollution really are
So basically, the average EV has about a 30% lower range than claimed. Frankly that's appalling and this level of inaccurate reporting by manufacturers should be illegal.
The range is based on standardised test conditions, not the real world. The same is true of mpg and l/100km figures for ICE vehicles. They are a benchmark for the comparison of vehicles only. Real world range is affected by air temperature, altitude, humidity, road surface conditions, driving style, wind speed, wake effects from other vehicles etc.
The range in your ice car range also depends on weather so is that illegal . Your range on the dash is just hypothetical range.
Isn’t the claims made by EV manufacturers being investigated?
@robertbroadbent3038 read your car's specification and tell me the last time you got that mpg out of your car?
@robertbroadbent3038 if all the manufacturers claimed mileages are wrong by roughly the same amount, then the problem isn't the manufacturers claims, its the test procedure that all the manufacturers use (WLTP). This is also the procedure used for ICE vehicles to work out mpg, which is also why those figures don't reflect the real world. The solution to the problem is to amend WLTP to more accurately reflect real world conditions.
I’d like to add that „6-10 degrees” are NOT winter conditins …. !
Not by a long shot.
Normal UK conditions 7/8 months of the year
They made that VERY clear in the video MANY times so what's your problem?
Actually the tested conditions are probably a worst case for an EV due to the humidity in the air. The car has to dehumidify and heat which often means running AC and a resistive heater. Colder air with low humidity actually needs less energy to heat.
That intercut “dialogue” between the two presenters was really slickly done
Probably a big influence from Top Gear there
Do test middle of winter using heater, lights etc and with families inside 2 kids & parents and everything they need for a trip.
Great test! Although, I recommend that when the EV cannot maintain 50 mph speed, that should be the end of the test and mark the distance as the result. That will bring the test results between different EV much more consistent and comparable. Because the EV software algorithm varies greatly between manufacturers. Some would let the EV drop to let's say 30 mph immediately after the battery is low, and let EV run a much longer distance (because lower speed require less energy consumption). While other EV may try to maintain 50 mph speed as long as possible until the battery is completely dead. So basically the shape of the drop off cliff is very different between EV. Thus, adding variations to the test results.
Please doublecheck cabin temperatures next time during the test, chinese cars are known to keep the actual cabin temperature a few degrees lower than configured in cold conditions.
I don't belive that not even 1 driver changed the temperature in their car. Also in a test like this, it matters if someone quickly entered a warm car or left a door open for 5 minutes on driver swap. Also a test to be somewhat reliable, it would be nice to do it 3 times to help with accuracy of what they are actually measuring
What about ionic 5&6 !!??
Top good to be tested with a those crapies cars as Lexus or Jeep😂😂
A point that your analysis highlights very well is that, if running cost is an important part of the purchasing decision, you need to get "there and back again" within your available range so that public charging is a rarity. For the Tesla, your commute needs to be comfortably less than 145 miles each way or for the Lexus RZ 450e less than 75 miles each way. Many of us will only rarely test a car's range on a single journey but you need to plan for both directions to stay on cheap-rate charging.
Provided you can charge at home. If you can't charge at home then losing half of your range due to it being cold becomes much less tenable.
@@myhandlewastakenandIgaveupwhere did you get half your range from , yea it can be argued that you'll loose around 1/3 of your range but 50% frankly is b/s !
@@davefitzpatrick4841 i owned mine a couple of years ago but turn the car on you would lose between 5 and 20 miles of range. Turn the heat on and every 1 mile of range was twice as expensive.
They may have improved since then. I made it one winter after I moved away from being able to charge at home to not (super old house. Exorbitant cost to rewire it) before I switched back to ice.
@@davefitzpatrick4841 Because losing 1/3 is SO much better? omg
@@MyRealName that's worse case , Tesla model 3 is still capable of 293 miles in winter, probably longer than your bladder needs to be emptied !
Doug and Will..
Well done mates..
Nice and clear informations about EVs😊
Did you consider the drafting effect? Cars travelling in line always disadvantage the front car
They didn't drive that near to each other, I guess there wasn't much of a wake (supposing that's what you meant with drafting effect).
They were changing drivers so I would think they changed order of cars as well...
Talking about running costs without taking into account charging losses is quite misleading. You’re not paying for the electrons that the car uses, but for the electrons that go into the battery. That is dependent on the charger AC/DC but also on the car.
BTW, that Seal was way better than the ID.7 on your last comparison Seal/TM3/ID.7 What happened there?
I remember seeing an article about the ridiculously high amount of kWh consumed during night standstull in a garage to keep the car on for SW updates and wake up program and whatnot.
If you have a huge round course is there any reason why you are drafting each other?
It ruins and alters the results as the bad aero cars get better results than in normal use and how can you verify the gaps have been same all the time as each cars adaptive cruise keeps different distances.
Do you have a data to share how many kilometeres each car lead the pack?
valid questions. Any comments What car team?
They rotated the order each lap, they did mention it at the beginning.
I’m picking up a BYD dolphin like this, it will be the main car used during the week. 6 dollars on electricity compared to 90 a week on fuel, is a difference. I’m in Australia, and l also keep a 4x4 in the drive, for out of town and trips.
you are my son
Brilliant test... showing real world information.... Thanks guys
Are you Tesla owner?
@_beccaszn Certainly not.... They may be efficient but I think they are ugly.
@@mikadavies660I get it everyone has their opinions and their choice
@@mikadavies660have you driven one before?
@_beccaszn Not sure what congratulating the guys on a Good Test has got to with me buying or driving a Tesla??? Obviously, their technology is good but £49,950 for a melted bar of soap! Why would I buy something that cost £1,000/mth and makes me sick, looking at it..? The Model Y is more practical for a family than the 3... but group 50 insurance!! No dam way!!! I have driven the old Model 3. Dreadful hard suspension. I believe the new 3 is far improved. I actually like the BMW i4. Very nice drive but... inefficient and too expensive.
A very informative and useful test.
I feel there is so much focus on the maximum range of an EV that the efficiency is often overlooked.
With ICE cars, the focus is usually on mpg or l/100km and there is no mention of the range, yet that still impacts when you need to stop to fill up.
ICE cars get real world range of 500 - 650 miles + fuelling takes minutes so its not an issue and is not mentioned, quite the opposite for EVs
@@sender5804 Your average ICE car does not get 500-650 miles per tank.
@@SyntheticSpy how much they do?
@@sender5804 300-400 is average based on what I can find, but my personal car usually doesn’t even hit the 300 number. It’s really much closer to the typical EV than people realize
my golf had less 'range' than my ID5 does¬
Very interesting. The weather conditions you had for the test are quite normal for our spring and fall. Moderate, in other words. It would really be something to see with them on dedicated winter tyres, with temperatures at -20, and with 4 or 5 inches of snow on the ground.
Insane test! Best comparison i've ever seen! Well done!
nice video, but I would be more interested to see a comparison between used electric cars instead of brand new ones to see battery depreciation
Typical battery degradation runs at 2% per year, then begins to slow a little after 4 or 5 years. I'd expect a reasonably well looked after 5 year old EV to still show a battery SOH (state of health) over 90%, unless it was a Nissan Leaf.
Excellent! I do wish you had included metric equivalent figures , in smaller text, and bracketed maybe... NOT in the spoken info though; that would just be an avalanche of numbers!
Predictably, for every question you answered, you raised new questions!
For all the talk of EV prices crashing, these (new) cars are really pricey
I just acquired '22 T3LR 8500mi for 3/5 cost. Very comparable to conventional vehicle prices. I wanted a Toyota Tacoma but they were running 5k higher than Tesla.
Some fair deals used.
Certainly in the UK that's the case. I know it's the primary reason I would not (or could not) buy an EV. I just don't have that sort of money, even with PCP/HP etc and with the insurance/tax/charging and other running costs the saving is pretty much nil.
Wait until you see the insurance prices. Insurance companies don't want anything to do with these since they can't really be repaired.
@@SpareSomeChange8080 Indeed. That's also part of the calculation. Repair/replacement of the parts are expensive to the point that they are prohibitive and you might as well just get another vehicle!
@@SpareSomeChange8080 🎯🎯🎯 no one is talking about that, for some reason. Autotrader has quite a few previously written off EVs too.
the jeep with the low range, should cost max 30K euro not even pounds..
Do you own a Tesla?
nope.
You should have included a model Y long range. It’s the single best selling car model in the world.
Nice test 👌🏼👍🏼
You've touched on the importance of talking about EV efficiency, but I think you've missed the mark. It's not so much about the difference in money since a few hundred pounds a year isn't enough to change a purchasing decision. But it IS a difference in charging time especially on a long journey. A model 3 with high efficiency and the reliable Supercharger network will get you much faster to your destination than a Lexus with 40% worse efficiency and only 50KWh max chargeing rate.
Well here in Ipswich South East Queensland we complain when winter temperatures are less than 10°c but our problem with batteries is when our summer temperatures exceed 35°c.
In parts of western Queensland summer temperatures can exceed 45°c
From what i have read batteries also hate heat.
Could you please give some insight into battery performance in hot climates.
Also how about a cost analysis of an electric vehicle versus a hybrid on a drive from London to Lands End and return in the shortest possible time.
Thanks forvyour informative comparison.
One flaw with your testing - not all cars will actually stay at the temperature set in the climate control. Bjorn Nyland found that Chinese EVs in particular won’t heat the cabin to anywhere close to the set temp, sometimes >5deg below! This will have a small but noticeable impact on range.
I am sure they would have commented on that if they were uncomfortable, or noticed differences.
Yes agreed and sure the first tests they did they checked this and only the Megane etech was the only car that messured close to the temperature set on the climate.
@@GDM22 they were all wearing different size coats, they wanted it to be a scientific test but this is an important variable that they didn’t control.
Yes efficiency is a big deal I mourn the passing of the Hyundai Ioniq, affordable and efficient!
I’m hoping (although I have absolutely no evidence for this) that the original Ioniq will return as the “Ioniq 4”, only with faster rapid charging and more range.
I'm still driving it, but now endagered species, not being made anymore.
For real, love mine. An EV for people who just want an EV and don't need some big flashy thing that does 0-60 in 2 seconds or goes 500 miles.
@@michaelchilds3305why not made anymore?
If ever there was a video to re-enforce my stance on sticking with a petrol car this was it. Cheers guys 👍
“It’s raining and it’s harming their efficiency”.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Look at the miles driven compared to the advertised mileage.
It’s criminal lies by the manufacturers.
you understand rain also effects petrol car efficiency
@@whocares264they should baseline all tests in Britain. You'll have every possible type of weather in a month of testing.
Fat chance of me buying or spending that sort of cash on a car which can't even take me to see the grandkids on a 340 mile round trip . I'll keep my 2 year old BMW diesel.
Just keep on polluting, don’t worry about anything, blissful denial.
Plus it’s a lie to say EVs cannot take you on that trip. You just need to recharge, try to keep up.
Your grandchildren would likely appreciate it if you opted for an electric car instead of a diesel, reducing the air pollution they breathe.
oh nooo, a 15-30 minute charging stop while you get a cup of coffee and a snack, or a plug at the grandkids when they also get an EV and a home charger.. THE HORROR!
@@paolats12345
Your electric probably comes from fossil burning...how's that environmental friendly?
One of the things I would like to see in your chart is the runtime how many hours and minutes did it actually get on that charge? Kinda how long did it take for you all to run the test and how long did each one last. Enjoyed watching it thank you very much though.
19:38 good to see the £ figures for cheap overnight home charging included in this video , 7p compared to 29p goes to show what a diffrence the right tarrif and smarter usage patterns and can make.
Which is ok for people who can park on their own driveway next to their charger
agreed but those people do exist and do charge like that. a lot depends where you live almost all housing on North Wales has off road parking and garages etc. Southern England probably doesn't, they think they are well off with a 700k flat and a parking space lol. We have 4 bedroom bungalows double garages and parking for 5 cars. and it costs 300k. all depends where we choose to live I have lived London chester and northwales and I know why I stayed here.
I'm glad they included all the tarrifs for once. There's too many ev plungers that assume 7p
And how much scam it is to ask ppl to buy thus only to provide abusively expensive way to use it outside home charge
@@markgc65 I recently visited Wales and its 20 mph roads. You can keep it, I’m glad I live in England.
You guys are so good at dragging the video. The cars introduction could've been done in a matrix with 10 seconds on the screen. Mt attention span was done after the heat pump thingy talk
Brilliant video and testing! Subscribed.
Nice test. Tesla continues to impress with it's efficiency. Somehow they manage to go further with a smaller battery. The lower weight and better aerodynamics are very impressive.
Does the Model 3 LR have LFP or lithium ion batteries? I know some teslas use BYD batteries, I wonder how a BYD with BYD batteries will fare against a Tesla with BYD batteries?
It comes with lithium ion batteries @GT86crazy
Byd designed the seal for the best of both worlds. Tesla feels like an eletric bumper kart with its intense regeneration one pedal driving. Thats one of the major factors that makes it more efficient.
Curious to see the new performance m3's efficiency compared to the seal excellence once its released.
@@jpataca5598 my friend raves about the one pedal driving in his model Y. I've not experienced it myself but I can see how more aggressive regen would give better efficiency in city driving. However for the highway it can be more efficient to allow free wheeling.
7:00 Yes, going to a place with actual winter would be even more interesting. Testing in 6 degrees below what would be considered a nice summer day should not really produce any significant deviations, but clearly it does. Ranges of 25 - 30+ percent below the stated figures show an unreasonable difference between factory numbers and real life imo.
Briliant test! Very good work! 🎉
It’s a shame the Polestar 2 Long Range Single Motor wasn’t included when this has a claimed range of 406 miles. I have one and while I can’t get close to that right now, I’m easily achieving at least 4mi/kwh (in winter!). The Model 3 has always been the efficiency king but it would have been nice for a proper comparison between the two updated cars.
very professional and scientific test with good explNtions eg with rain
You compared the Tesla Long Range, and it's still cheaper than the others? I'm looking forward to this. My diesel ranges from 600-700 miles and does London to St Andrews on less than a tank. On arrival, I'll have enough diesel to outlast the range of your fully charged EVs. PS Why did you compare a medium hatch Tesla 3 with SUVs?
30% loss at mild conditions.... ffs
Do you own a Tesla?
ICE's lose 70% efficiency *all* the time. But it seems you're ok with that.....
yes, i know what i get. your EV doesn't do more miles and looses 70% in transport to the outlet. @@Brian-om2hh
no.. why would i drive a laptop. @@_nosikeuzoma1456
@@Starfishtroopers I'm sorry but where did you pull that figure of 70% loss from? You do understand how electricity travels right?
Last year I payed £2000 for an 08 1.9 diesel Skoda Fabia Estate. I can fill the tank and 4 people with all their luggage for a week can travel 6-650 miles comfortably before I have to refill. Probably more . Then I just have to find a fuel station and can refill in 10-15 minutes.
One of my favourite holiday destinations here in the UK is 260 miles from my home. I think I will stick to a diesel and leave the disabled scooters alone.
Thank you gentlemen for the actual length of the car distance instead of estimate lies manufacturers tell us.
Great video. Thank you.
What would be really great , is if you included some numbers for their ICE counterparts, especially efficiency numbers as the range is surely much better for ICE car and not helpful. Being that range is simply result of petrol/diesel having much better energy density then modern batteries.
Like should Tesla Model 3 LR be matched to a BMW M3 (similar specs) or BMW 320d?
iD.7 can be compared to VW Passat 2.0.
So, is there saving money in doing 100km (miles) in EV compared to similar specced ICE car?
What the ?.. real world driving in my BYD performance (the one here is premium) was 497km.. I had 0% and estimated 3km left (was so tempted to push it to 500).. how the heck did you manage to kill the premium (higher range) one in 410km?!.. I am in Australia.. but surely the temp difference (was 25-31C when I did it) wouldn't make it that much worse?
Because the AliExpress people are lying again 😊
@@dantebg100 Bigot nazi doesn't make any sense.
The battery is afraid of low temperatures, and the heating of the air conditioner of electric vehicles is more power-intensive. The tropics are ideal places for electric vehicles.
Very educational video and great test. The results are everything I'd thought they would be, but worse.
I think about where all these vehicles will end up discarded so far from being ecological for the environment in every way.
Totally stressful journey planning for queues and availability let alone the public costs.
For me from all the videos I'm watching lately over a period of time how many hours would be spent trying find charging points that work and twiddling my thumbs waiting or queuing then waiting in my busy work days.
Just watched a video of a chap going around Scotland in his EV desperately trying to find chargers in action or that take various methods of paying totally stressed out and planning something useful to do whilst waiting.
No chance I'd ever be doing this, petrol stations are long enough fill and go.
Vans ev full charge full of tools vs diesel full of diesel full of tools
Bring it on
I am not particularly interested in the combined range since I will have plenty of charging opportunities. What I am interested in is the constant 130 km/h range. That's when I need the range. Also such test will reward aerodynamic and light cars. This test video do not reveal the roadtrip abilities...
What Tesla model do you own?
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 Dec 2021 Model 3 LR...but actually I like my former E-Golf better, if only it was better at going far...
@@nopedaldriving6998 that’s a great vehicle too any plans on changing it or you still want to stick with it
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 I love its range and are not planning on replacing it...however I like to be updated on how other EVs are doing...
@@nopedaldriving6998 I see that
Fantastic, you need to pick up some Tesla shares
Do you have a social media handle?
At the end, they should measure the energy taken at a 7kw charger. It does a great job calculating the energy taken without too much to thermal influence.
Any comparison should be calculated.
You did not consider the most critical differentiating factor: battery type! Which cars have LFP batteries and which ones use nickel based NMC?
We would be so lucky to have the choice of Sodium ion battery powered cars only available in China
Why would that be lucky? Heavy and low energy density.
Even the best of the bunch is only 75% as good as claimed.
And then add all the repair cost. Hahaha if anyonr drive one of these cars, they are the fool.
same as any ice car would have been then !
Thanks for this review. Definitely makes me not want an EV due to the massive drop off in range alone (especially given it was not that cold).
THANK YOU for finally recognising that most EV owners don’t pay the 29p rate, and for including the 7p rate, and also showing the rapid charger rate. Paints a proper picture.
99% of my charging is at home. I only use superchargers on road trips.
Paints a proper picture if what that they are overpriced under ranged junk. That you have to leave plugged in all night just to get 150 miles at cheap rate lol.
@@rnichol22 burning petrol/diesel just to get cancer lol.
The most reasonably priced car at £31k ... when did it all go so horribly wrong.
1. Inflation, 100 gbp in 2005 is like 180 gbp now. 2. There are still cheaper options like a dacia.
I live in eastern Washington state (USA). Tesla is the car I see the most. Great review!! Thanks for all the work.
“We are going to show you exactly what happens when the battery runs out of charge”. Well….it stops…as an ICE car would do, when it runs out of petrol.
Let’s talk about battery replacement costs! Crazy stuff.
Considering battery packs now last longer then the car is expected to, that’s not an issue
@@matthewmanzi9504 What they are designed for and how long they actually last can be two different things. We’ve all read about 15-20K quotes for battery replacements. Someone is going to get a lemon.
@@matthewmanzi9504 what about all the write offs when the battery cover has a dent from debris being on the road, and the warranty gets invalidated but the new battery costs more than the car? 🥹
Factor in climbing hills and mountains? The range will def cut it half lol.
30%!!!!lmao!
If my gas car got 30% less than stated id be pissed! No?
Every car company does it. My car is said to get 615 miles. I get 450 in summer and 400 in winter
Epic data thanks, great job. Winter vs summer testing would also be good. Maybe if all the cars start at 20% charge you can save some time ;)
Also tyres might play a big part in this.
Do a review on how many private buyers in oppose to lease, company or salary sacrifice schemes.
The depreciation on them is epic. Second-hand car dealers are reluctant to take them
Imagine a world where only electric car's existed, then a newer system came with an ice engine came along. It weighs half as much, it goes 500 miles on a full tank which is the size of a suitcase and is ready to go in a 10th of the time. Everyone would rave about them.
They brake down a lot more often, smell, don't drive nearly as well, and are super loud. You can't forget any of these things in your imagery world.
I know in places like London not everyone has a driveway. For me here in Aus, though, it's the opposite. It takes me 15 seconds to plug my car in when I get home; it's far easier and faster for me to keep a ‘full tank’ in the EV compared to screwing around at petrol stations. Electricity is way cheaper than fuel. Not to mention the absolute joy of driving electric over combustion; it truly feels archaic driving them now.
I don't think your comment stands up to scrutiny. Not to me anyways.
Why are EVs being so scrutinised.. don't see anyone questioning mpg and the range of petrol and diesel cars lol or how true the emissions that come out of the exhaust are, bet as soon as you rev then engine the emissions are much higher that what they say they are just as an example.
cause EVs are dominated by the chinese. therefore u see all the recent smearing of EVs
Because EV's are the future. Apparently. 🤷
Odd thing to say, however they are much better in the sense they don't directly pollute the air we breathe with poisonous gases and our children breathe so I prefer EVs and it is interesting how they keep getting better so you'll see more and more on the road over time over many years ❤
does anyone think the prices of these cars are ridiculous...such nonsense ....
@@petervanhookeI would only buy secondhand for good deals especially at the moment but in a few years time EVs will be on par with combustion vehicles when new, then it's just a personal choice.
In mi case, I have no issues, because no matter the weather I charge it each 5 days and always takes me where I need, love it!
Electricity prices weren't "cheap" years ago, they were the correct price! We're now being ripped off and 30p/kWh is being normalised.
"Energy cap" aka government sanctioned cartel price guarantee.
Blame Putin for that
@@djtaylorutubedo you own a Tesla?
@@sargfowler9603what Tesla model do you own?
@@sargfowler9603 That and the fact that cheaper renewable electricity is hard coupled to the wholesale price of gas, with a criminally corrupt government that takes backhander bungs from fossil fuel mates and has no interest in changing that.
These figures are frigheningly bad.
The cars that got within 25% of their claimed range are not much different from my petrol car, which is currently missing it's WLTP combined fuel consumption figure by around 30% due to stop-start commuting in cold temps.
@@johnfranklin6394do you own a Tesla?
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 no, as I said in my post, I have a petrol car. It's a BMW 128ti, 2 litre, four cylinder turbo. I don't have an EV, and have never owned or leased one. But, I have test driven a few.
@@johnfranklin6394 and how did it go?
@@_nosikeuzoma1456I suspect it was really easy and really quick to give maximum range.
Brilliant vlog, can you please also compare the cost of running diesel/petrol cars against EVs.
I live in a coastal community, and don’t drive EV’s in my family. The tire wear is 20% higher than our existing cars it contributes to microplastics in our ocean community. It is literally equivalent to grinding up thousands of plastic bottles and dumping them into our estuaries. Tire wear on all vehicles is the leading contributor to microplastics in the food chain. When you choose an EV, you increase that by at least 20% as soon as you drive it off the showroom floor. This is due to the excessive weight of the vehicle. Think about tossing water bottles out the window anytime you drive across a waterway….this is essentially what you are doing. The one advantage EV’s have over the water bottle is that the EV’s microplastics are MRE’s for marine life….already broken down into tiny tidbits.