The Bulgarian Occupation of Yugoslavia during World War II (1941 - 1944)
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2022
- During WW2 Bulgaria occupied parts of Yugoslavia. Bulgaria had joined the Axis but didn't take part in the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia, nor the German invasion of Greece. As an Axis Power Bulgaria was awared with parts of the region of Macedonia: in both Greece and the former Yugoslav Kingdom. This video is about the Bulgarian annexation of Yugoslav Macedonia (Vardar Macedonia).
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The Bulgarian Occupation of (a part of) Greece:
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The Italian Occupation of (parts of) Yugoslavia:
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As a Greek I appreciate you try explain why you call them Slav "Macedonians" but in the end they are not "Macedonians" anymore than they are Athenians or Spartans.. It's nationalist propaganda that foreign nationalists unfortunately repeat which just feeds their propaganda machine.
What you call "Macedonia" region is a widespread myth. No such "Macedonia" jurisdiction with those borders have existed in history. This is foreign nationalist repeating Skopian irredentist propaganda that implied Macedonia Greece was part of a "divided" "Macedonia. Alexander's homeland of Macedonia is 100 percent in Greece. Zero percent in Skopje. Skopje was in the kingdom of Paeonia in antiquity. Paeonia stretched so far south part of it is actually in today's Greece. Philip conquered Paeonia. As did later Romans (who made it part of their own Roman province of Macedonia) but it was not Alexander's homeland as the former Yugoslavians claim. (see there is another term you could use but choose not to like everyone else)
They were not "told" they were Bulgarians during WW2. Most of them still self-identified as Bulgarian "Macedonians" during WW2. (to much smaller degree Serbian). that's exactly they welcomed Bulgarians as liberators. And exactly why the US refused to recognized them as "Macedonian" during the Greek civil war. Back then it was more obviously they were Bulgarians.
Half of them now claim not to be Slavic but ancient Macedonians.. aka founders of the Hellenistic while being antihellenic. Nearly everyone that called them "Macedonians" evades over their flip-flopping identity claims. They also, unethically, pretend not to notice how they once again abuse the name "Macedonia" to imply Macedonia Greece belongs to them (as they did during the Greek civil war)
Tell me about Montenegro
Of course Bulagria will occupy Ugoslavia !
Anyway Serbians are Bulgarians doomed into a new nationality by Rome and named Servants .😂
This is a very superficial account, I am sorry. When you talk about resistance, and respectively the counter measures, you don't mention the proportions of this resistance, who was behind it, how big it was in comparison to other partisan organizations in axis occupied territory etc. Your narrative is based on 2 sources, one of which a Yugoslavian, strongly biased source. You do not take into account that for the most part the administration was assigned to locals, ironically even in the first act of pro-Yugoslavian partisan activity in Vardar Macedonia a local, serving the Bulgarian police was killed, it was not even a Bulgarian from Bulgaria. I know that it is the easiest to portray all states who aligned themselves with Germany in WW2 as evil and oppressive (even if the facts contradict your own statements - "they built museums, a university" etc.) and it perfectly well serves the goal of having a youtube channel - to get views of your content and earn some money, but next time, read more, and if you are not citing anything from the one side (Bulgarian) do not cite the other side (Yugoslavian).
Its an overview video. Thanks for sharing this additional information.
Interesting how, unlike WWI, were Bulgaria did fight, during WWII, they had the strategy of gaining territory by aligning with the axis but without participating in military operations. Always learning from your videos!
actually Bulgarian army fought in many operations in WW2 but mostly against the Germans
As with many countries after WWI, political leaders were reluctant to repeat that nightmare. Under pressure from the Nazi war machine and internal fascist idiots, Bulgaria joined the axis powers, but the king wasn't keen on another WWI mass death event.
Thanks for your reply.
Yugoslavia has an amazing story throughout WW2 and it's great to hear a part of it here & that so many people are interested in these parts of the war.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much, Stefan. I confess to having a fascination with Balkan history, and was delighted to see your coverage of a section of WW2 history that receives dreadfully scanty ( especially in English ) on platforms such as UA-cam.
Great to read, thanks.
Are you sure this is right? I can see this guy called Stefan is probably Bulgarian who came and make a video buy bulgarian point of view. If you follow today's news, you can see and listen how Bulgarians (government and people) claim the same: as all Macedonian pathriots in the past who were fighting for this freedom now, and most of them killed buy bulgarians, are actually Bulgarians - they claim this.
@@Zvonkopetroski What are you talking about ? Any and all followers of Stefan are well aware that he’s a Dutch high school History teacher.
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Great nugget of history Stefan, thank you for sharing your knowledge Amigo ❤️👍
Thanks Jesse 👍
In the WW1 Bulgaria was forced to join in on the Central powers side by the economical pressure, and lured with the territorial expansion on the expense of Serbia.
They joined in 1915, after Italy joined in the April 1915 on the Entente side.
They were supposed to equal the joining of Italy.
Bulgaria was satisfied with his approach on both the Black and Eagean Sea.
In original parole was:
Ein Reich, ein volk, ein Furer.
Very interesting.👌 Bulgaria’s role is often overlooked. Interesting country.
I read that Bulgaria was involved in the siege of Vienna alongside the Red Army in 1945. That would be interesting.
I did cover that battle here:
ua-cam.com/video/EzpgEyCbtQ0/v-deo.html
That was not much of a siege as Vienna fell to the Red Army within a few days of fighting. However, the Bulgarian army took part in repelling the southern pincer of the German forces offensive in Hungary in March of 1945, while the German northern pincer managed to surprise and push eastward the Soviet forces in the vicinity of Lake Balaton. If not for the Bulgarians, the Red Army might have faced a defeat this late in the war.
@@gennadiyleyfman6920 No.2 is rigth my grandfather went to Macedonia and Greece ,went home for 3 monthts and was taken to Hungary.Last battle he had was in Drava Sobolch and thanks God he came back alive .This where they were told that they are no longer needed after doing their job.If it was not for this he would go to Berlin and most probably he would never come back alive from there
Informative & wonderful Episode Sir Stefan thanks for sharing
Thank you for another part of WWII that I wasn't aware of. I found it interesting that the Jews in Bulgaria were more or less safe while not so in the annexed regions. My question is how the Bulgarians felt about that.
Thanks for your reply. Can't tell what Bulgarians thought (and knew) about the deportations in the annexed regions. I assume Bulgarians inside these regions were more busy with surviving amids resistance activities.
You wpuld also find it strange to onow that musolinis mistress was jewish
"More or less safe" is a massive overstatement. The fascist government knew that a majority won't except sending the Jews to their deaths. So they tried to do it slowly - Jews lost citizenship, rights, they were expelled from the cities, their property confiscated and they were sent to labour battalions (aka slavery). The next step- sending them to death camps was proposed as just "deportation", but the Jews themselves organized with the political opposition to resist. Church leaders and the citizenry also prevented the deportation from happening. The Germans got the excuse of "we need them for the labour battalions". What happened after the war is key to understand the harsh truth- a large number of Jews left Bulgaria for Israel.The communists pushed the idea that Bulgarians "saved the Jews", conveniently ignoring the part the opposition and the church played as they were ideologically ... inconvenient.
@@kalinsimovski5081 This is exactly what I was given to understand by my Bulgarian acquaintances in Israel. How is it that not even they know the truth?
@@eleanorkett1129 I wouldn't trust anyone's "historical memory". It's not only an anecdote, it's an anecdote that's gone through a game of broken telephone. As for the history, it's readily accessible online with sources, book recommendations etc. I mean the antisemitic legislation of the fascist Bulgarian government is very easy to verify as it was public. The participation of the political opposition as well and the numbers of immigrating Jews after the war can be verified by articles and data from former Israeli governments and NGOs.
Good Job !!!
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And also in the years after the liberation hundreds of thousands of refugees just from Macedonia came in the New Bulgarian state and to call her motherland.
This is more than enough to understand the ethnic relationship between bulgarians and macedonians.
as mentioned in the material, Bulgarianisation affected only part of the population of North Macedonians
Yes, the Bulgarian nationalists mass got the fuck out of Macedonia. Who was left there after that do you reckon? Sure as hell wasn't people who identified as Bulgarian.
@@kalinsimovski5081 do not twist my words, you know what i mean.
@@bobifetski I have a personal rule where if someone says"stop twisting my words" they have to explain how I did that and what they actually ment or I don't acknowledge they said anything. So you can do that if you want. Doesn't really matter to me.
The anti- fascist won & created the independent Socialist Republic of Macedonia, so those "refugees" are irrelevant.
Best wishes from Liverpool Stefan 🙌🏻
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As always good video stefan. We need more balkan stuff
Awesome 👍👍
@@HistoryHustle are you going to visit another county coming herfstvakantie?
Germany maybe.
@@HistoryHustle nice
Wow, the Bulgarians build 800 schools, a library, a museum, a national theater and a university.. 😱What a terrible, terrible occupiers, I can't believe it!!
It started well but things went downhill later.
...the Bulgarians build 800 schools, a library, a museum, a national theatre and a university.....and send the Macedonian Jews to Auschwitz, killed , rape and displaced civilians. There are NOT official document that they built not even 1 school, they just installed teachers brought from Bulgaria. Just stop spreading BS
@@milantrajceski8322 A quick Google research can show that you are the one spreading BS, buddy. Communism is no more, welcome to the reality.
11000 Jews from occupied land like Thrace , Macedonian were sent to death by Bulgarians to keep their German friends happy as they did not send Bulgaria Jews. Go to the Jewish Holocaust centre for the truth.
J am from south Serbia .We saw the Second world war against Bulgaria as an extansion of the First wourld war ,when the Serbs an Bulgarions were enemies and when Bulgarians were enemies and also okupied the southern part of Serbia The Bulgarians okupatiin in the first wourld ware 1915-1918 was much worse and most terrible for us then their occupation in the second wourld war in 1941-1944.Both occupations left traumas .There in almost no family in the south Serbia thet did not have victims in bot Bulgarien occupations .
1885?
Lier
"South serbia" you mean Bulgaria 😂
I had a smoke and a pancake whilst watching this. Next time I’ll have a smoke and a waffle. Great videos!
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Never actually realized this happened.
Nice one Stephan.
Thanks for watching.
Another good video on a little known topic. Thanks and take it ding dong easy.
Love the begining disclaimer 🤪
As always thanks for the great videos and your work with children I'm sure you have influenced quite a few kids to care about history both online and off
Thanks for your response.
We can always count on the Balkans for interesting videos. As well as strong feelings about the peoples and geopolitical situation that is still ongoing today. Your Balkan trip has given us lots of great videos Stefan ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
It is a region whose people has experienced so many upheavals. But there is something very special with the people residing there.
@@michaelchadolias9491 I agree, I am really drawn to their history. I have wondered if I have some roots . My daughter did a heritage test and didn’t have any but am going to do one myself will see what pops
We do not hear of the Welsh 🏴 saying that the English 🏴 are not British.
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The language then was not a dialect, then the languages did not differ. The differences in the languages occurred after the war. For seventy years there was an iron curtain between the two countries.
The Slavic literacy originates from the region of Macedonia, so yeah absolutely Macedonians can be Slavs. Obviously u are just reading from the bias official history, try to look outside of the box.
Thanks. Nice work. BZ
Bulgaria did not “occupy” but just “administered” (the term being officially used by the Bulgarian establishment in 2013), Bulgarian parliament declared it could "not be disputed that 11,343 Jews were deported from northern Greece and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia" but denounce, this criminal act undertaken by Hitler's command, and express our regrets for the fact that the local Bulgarian administration had not been in a position to stop this act".
Cover adrien arcand the Canadian fuhrer.
Who?
He led a fascist party in Canada in the 1930s. The party was banned in 1940 and he was deemed a security threat and was interned during the war.
Sounds interesting
You should investigate more about macedonians and Macedonia.
Explain.
Love this vid, but should talked more about Bulgarian genocide on Serbs.
Please explain.
Propagandist
As Serb from East Serbia i heard a lot of terrible stories from my friends and their grandparents about Bulgarian occupation. My grandmother who lived in village in borderline between German and Bulgarian occupation told me terrible stories about Bulgarian raids. Bulgarians committed a lot of torture, rape, plunder, bittings, murders. Villagers when they heard that Bulgarians coming they run away into mountains and forest. Bulgarian army often cross over from his occupied areas into German areas to work together with them and fought against Partisans and Chetnics.
Brutal times in history.
Brutal for Serbs but not for Macedonians/Bulgarians. Major infrastructure projects were started by Bulgaria in Macedonia and the properties formerly forcefully colonized by Serbian settlers were returned to the natives of Macedonia.
@@HistoryHustle Yes, that's why the number of casualties during the whole period of Bulgarian rule over Yugoslavian Macedonia is less than 600 (exclusively Yugoslav partisans from other regions of YU) and we speaking about WW2. In the other hand if you ask anybody from todays north Macedonia, they will ensure you that all their relatives were killed and raped before that. The things are not so simple. Bulgaria invested in the region of YU Macedonia more that 1/3 of its GDP to modernise the region and continuously provided food supplies. The government body, councils, mayors, police, military forces, clerk, teachers, doctors all of them were locals to the region. For what occupation we are talking about :).
@@ivanntakov737 Invested my ass!
This false propaganda was spread, so Serbia can cover their attrocities for the past 30 years in the region of Macedonia where they have killed and tortured thousands Bulgarians.
In 1941 the kingdom of Bulgaria joined the axis allies of Germany Italy Romania Hungary Slovakia Finland Japan to regain territory from the Balkan wars
True.
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Clear and concise as always in your presentations. Old tensions continue in some ways but my hope is that history told in this way will allow us to learn from the errors of the past so as not to repeat them. History is a subject that should be compulsory at all levels of education and hopefully taught without a nationalist flavour.
An important thing to note is that the Bulgarian officials that replaced the Serbian ones were almost all from Macedonia. Also, the picture at 6:12 is a photo of the Bulgarian officer Sotir Nanev who was himself from Macedonia and was one of the first soldiers to enter Macedonia. He wrote a book where he described the warm welcome the Bulgarian forces received and the joy of the locals when they met the Bulgarian soldiers (many of whom were also from Macedonia).
Буквално дейци на михайловистката ВМРО, стоящи на "българо-автономистки" позиции, като Йордан Чкартов, както и Коста Църнушанов в една от книгите си, въпреки своята ясна подкрепата за българското управление, остро критикуват "централистката" политика на София, назначаването не само на невежи за местните проблеми кадри от София, но и на "ренегати", служили на бившата сръбска власт, вместо на заслужили за съхраняването на българщината македонци, в по-голямата част от администрацията, както и за масовите арести, побои и пр., които някои български офицери без връзка с Македония и според Църнушанов гравитиращи около проюгославската фракция на бившия военен съюз, си позволяват.
Bulgarian forces was warm welcome by local people because North Macedonians before experienced strong serbinisation and they were counting on improved their fortunes, but experienced Bulgarianization, and as mentioned in the material, only part of the North Macedonian population
accepted Bulgarianisation , and the rest acted or supported the partisans.
@@ziemowitzmarzy1405 There was very little Partisan activity in Vardar Macedonia throughout the entire war so in fact it looks like the majority of the population had no problem with the "occupation". Bulgarization is a strong word, considering we have accounts which are clear that a substantial amount of the people in Macedonia already felt Bulgarian, meaning they didn't need to be Bulgarized.
@@dobripvalov as mentioned in the material, only part of the population felt Bulgarians under the influence of Bulgarianisation, the guerrillas fought from 1941 and intensified in 1943
@@ziemowitzmarzy1405 The video stated: "The Bulgarians realized only a part of the population saw themselves as Bulgarians. Education had to facilitate the process of Bulgarization". As you see, the video admits that there were Bulgarians before the Bulgarian occupation. Still, even this statement is wrong because we have documents from this time that paint a very different picture. For example during the interrogation of Spiro Kitinchev by OZNA, he says that the people of Skopie raised Bulgarian flags on their houses because they felt Bulgarian. As you see there are many documents that this video doesn't take into account. A channel named "Samuel's Fortress" made a much more detailed and accurate video on this topic.
Fact: Today Bulgaria didn't accept that in WW2 she was fascist country and occupated Republic of Macedonia❗
Now the actual fact - Bulgaria wasn't really a fascist state, and there was no Republic of Macedonia at the time, just Vardarska Banovina, which according to Serbia, was populated with'' South Serbs''.
Although Bulgaria was an ally of Nazi Germany it wasn't a fascist nor nazi state.
@@HistoryHustle Tell the 11000 Jews from occupied land like Thrace and Macedonian that were sent to their death by Bulgaria they were not Nazi or Fascists.
@@RU-Aussie Jews are American creation. Tell me how many times they betrayed Jesus and provoke the Palestinians?
@@RU-Aussie cry about it
Bulgaria´s N1 problem is sympathy toward Moscow ulus and Bulgaria has been very unlucky in 20c very , but today everything is fine for you guys. with Love from Bielarus´!
Thanks for sharing this.
Nope our number one problem is not having an sovereign mind and out second problem is that we are not sympathetic enough towards moscow.
We, Bulgarians have been always stretched between Germany and Russia. Back in history, Bulgaria was ally of German empire since Tzar Kaloyan. Same goes towards Russia, since the very foundation and Varangian times (Viking times). Even Varna name (Black Sea city) name, supposedly Slavic (as the Greek name is odessos) is de facto old Norse word for fortified place. Mix bag since the beginning of time.
Let me clarify something. Region of Macedonia was destined to be part of the newly liberated bulgarian kingdom after centuries of Otoman rule. Meaning that this kingdom would include the Bulgarian ethnic land in its completeness. Bulgarians were the last to achieve freedom in the Balkans. Others already had states and were only prepareing to scoop lands from the ottomans which in fact were populated by bulgarians. After "the Berlin congres" this dream state was lost and many lands in the region lost their liberation and remained under the ottomans such as is Macedonia. From this moment on began the battle for this poor land which was prey to countries it didnt belong to like Serbia and greece who carried out genocidal policies against the population and in order to replace its self-awareness. The Bulgarians state only had to fight this assimilation by themselves for over 50 years for which they held 3 wars and sustained several national crisis with no result. In the end the COMUNIST REGIEME TERMINATED ANY BULGARIAN NATIONAL IDENTITY IN MACEDONIA DESPITE THAT ITS INHABITANTS SPOKE EXACTLY THE SAME LANGUAGE AS BULGARIANS DO BACK IN THE DAYS OF LIBBERATION AND EVEN TODAY. So do you believe that bulgarians would secrefice so mutch for Macedonia if it wasnt part of her whatsoever?
but the lands of North Macedonia always fell from hand to hand, and was often in Serbian hands, and Serbs considered North Macedonia "Southern Serbia". The Kumanovo uprising shows that the people of North Macedonia were more friendly towards Serbia, as the inhabitants emphasized in a letter to politicians at the Berlin conference, but after the fall of the uprising, the Ottomans began to fight Serbian influence and propaganda and tolerate Bulgarian propaganda. So, paradoxically, the Serbian-Bulgarian disputes were the cause of the nation's rise.
Slavo Macedonians or Serbo Macedonians and not Bulgarians? You obviously have real problem with Balkan history. It sounds offensive but not historical.
Interesting as ever but definitely one of the more complicated subjects but by all accounts the Balkans have always been like that,
Thanks again David! Great you found it interesting.
But one can argue that if Macedonian is truly a dialect of the wider Bulgarian language, then why did they ban it. I mean its stupid if for a country to ban a dialect of its own language.
It happened. Dunno how much Macedonian looks like Bulgarian.
As a macedonian, I can't have a conversation with a bulgarian, I dont understand half their words. Its just like talking to a Serbian or Montenegrin or Croatian or any south slavic person, I just cant accept Macedonian as a bulgarian dialect, because if it was a bulgarian dialect, then I could've understood them and speak to them no problem. But that's not the case, I barely understand half of their language.
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@@_macedonian Complete lies, why are you trying to fool the foreigner? The languages are 90% + mutually intelligible, anyone who speaks either language (who is not a braindead hate fueled nationalist) can admit this. The language/dialect was never banned, by that logic they would have had to ban BULGARIAN. Stop lying
@@_macedonian Even nowadays official Macedonian language, altough heavely serbinized and diverted from Bulgarian over the past 70/80 years, is still much closer to Bulgaran than to Serbo-Croatian. I personally understand 100% of todays Macedonian and almost all macedonians I ever encountered say they understand perfectly Bulagarian. Even in the eastern part of your country people speak in dialect which is much close to offlical Bulagiarn than to offlical Macedonian. So the fact that you are having issues in understanding Bulgarian (if true) does not mean that both languages are not mutually understandable (highly).
I don't see why you westerners should care what the greeks are being offended of.
Western romantic love of ANCIENT Greece led to many injustices in modern times on the balkans. The favours to modern greeks are underserved!
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle Have you ever heard of "the Bulgarian church struggles" The right to preach in bulgarian in the bulgarian churches and its independence from the the Patriarchate of Constantinople which was greek. It is exactly the lands with bulgarian church diocese that will later serve as model to what should bulgarian kingdom be in size after the libberation.
Every nation in the world, if you asked, probably would feel injustice on history matters. So what could we say about the "injustice", in the Balkans, which got very mixed and have become many tensions.
You think naively if you believe that the Greeks hadn't a word on the Macedonian Issue or its injustice to be offended about the Macedonian heritage.
Actually the greek borders should have been far more to the north.Monastirion was a greek city ,Philippoupolis had a large greek community and all the now bulgarian coastline was inhabited by Greeks.There some that still live there.
@@user-nz1eu8cz1d i agree for the coastline of the Black sea only
Just for your Information! Me as a Macedonian - Bulgarian and my Grandparents born in today North Macedonia the different between Bulgaria and Serbia at that time is that, that bevor the ww2 noone was feeling like „Macedonian“ and that was an unknown term because everyone was feeling and speaking bulgarian!
i think nowadays the position of Bulgaria is completely truly, what the macedonian government and media don’t tell:
- Yes nowadays there is a macedonian nation!
My opinion: everyone has to feel like they want
- the language till 1945 was bulgarian!
My opinion:
All sources, schools, „macedonian“ heros, churches, songs etc were bulgarian and written in clear bulgarian language.You can’t find „macedonian language“ or written sources in this language. And I understand the Bulgarian position to keep and save them history. Such a similar languages (nowadays) is very easy to fake the written history like we (the macedonians) try it with Zar Samuel, Kiril and Method etc. Because the languages are so similar that texts 100 years ago you can not tell what is what.
Hope u understand my point!
Let them now benn antic
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I have a friend that told me that Bulgarian never lost a war. Is this true.
No. Bulgaria lost the Second Balkan War, WW1 and in a sense WW2.
no Bulgaria didn't lose WW2 because it switched sides and attacked Germany
@@aleksk4151 Cowards and traitors
He probably told you that Bulgaria didn't lose a battle in ww1 or ww2
The bulgarian written language after the libberation was based on a dialect from the region of Tarnovo and northeastern parts.
Bulgarians from the west with other dialects had to learn the written language just like their brethren in Macedon.
But you take it here as forceful act, which it most certainly wasn't!
Macedonian dialect is actually very different, people from my capital and Western Macedonia struggle sometimes to understand me. I'm from Strumica, which could be considered the closest Macedonian dialect to Bulgarian. Love to all slavs though.
After all, the Macedonian language (Slavo-Macedonian) is a separate language from the Bulgarian language. After all, the Macedonian language also has features in common with the Torlakian dialects of the Serbian language.
@@ziemowitzmarzy1405 after all the torlakians are bulgarian minority speaking west bulgarian dialect heavily influenced by the serbian language.
@@bobifetski but do you know that it is only Bulgarian linguists who recognize Torlakian dialects as Bulgarian dialects? Bulgarian linguists' erroneous position on this issue is that Bulgarian linguists ignore the history of these dialects, focusing on what they look like today, and they were Serbian dialects that belong to the Balkan linguistic league and were subjected to processes taking place within this league, which resulted in that they have become similar to Bulgarian but are not the same and still have Old Serbian characteristics that Serbian does not.
@@ziemowitzmarzy1405 The Macedonian language exists since 1945. That is established... whether or not it is considered a separate language or dialect is up for debate to those who wish to debate it.
As for the "Macedonian" language before 1945, it was undeniably Bulgarian, and Macedonians are not descendants of Alexander the Great.
Look, it is indeed true and often overlooked by Bulgarian historiography that some aspects of the Bulgarian administration, such as the excessive top-down centralization and the practice of hiring either bureaucrats from the Tsardom unacquainted with the local conditions and culture or "treasonous" servants of the former Yugoslav regime, came to be widely resented by the Macedonian population, as were many of the more brutal punitive actions against the partisan resistance by Bulgarian troops. These issues were raised by many autonomist-minded Macedonian Bulgarians connected to the Mikhailovist wing of the former \VMRO such as Yordan Chkartov. However this video completely fails to contextualize Bulgarian claims and "assimilation" policies by implicitly presenting "Slavo-Macedonians" as an already formed self-conscious nation - something they definitely were not - and only in passing mentions the existence within that community of a very large portion with a clear Bulgarian identity. Sure, there were a number of left-wing intellectuals who espoused a Macedonian identity and wrote in local vernacular which they saw as a new Macedonian language, but on the other hand you had the Bulgaromacedonians of the Mikhailovist VMRO and its Macedonian Secret Youth Cultural Organization who despite the aforementioned problems actively collaborated with the Bulgarian authorities, even forming so called counterchetas to combat the initially very weak and small communist partisan movement, and their sentiment was also shared by large parts of the common Macedonian people.I hope you take my criticism into consideration.
Not to mention all the major infrastructural projects - roads, dams, theatres, schools, hospitals - all built by the Bulgarian authorities even near the end of the occupation when the war's outcome had become clear, to be enjoyed not by the "fascistic invaders" but by the local people who were considered part of the same Bulgarian nation, our kith and kin - hardly a colonial regime of universal oppression. There were even factions of Macedonian Communists who held pro-Bulgarian views, either initially outright refusing to resist Bulgarian rule and joining the Bulgarian Communist Party like Metodi Shatorov-Sharlo, or being firmly opposed to the violent de-Bulgarization policies of the post-war Yugoslav regime like Panko Brashnarov and Pavel Shatev.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
@@zoomer_zveno I don't know why you are defending this time in Bulgaria's history let alone Bulgaria's particapation of the deportation of Jews in Macedonia. The Bulgarian Army was ruthless and hearing stories from my grandparents about the occupation during WW2 shows how ruthless they were. Many of the Bulgarian soldiers would round up regular civilans (even children) and murder them If one Bulgarian soldier was murdered or if you had any family memeber in the Yugoslav Partisan army. You can talk about what the Bulgarians built and all but knowing an actual Macedonian person who experienced what the Bulgarians did and not a biased Bulgarian source I think you would have a better perspective.
@@kristianstefanovski7776 what part of Macedonia were your ancestors from?
@@zoomer_zveno Voden and Tetovo
how come it is a sin to anger the greeks yet it is alright to anger the macedonians by calling something we completely disagree with?
Please explain.
Schools,churches and museums were not build because of ,,bulgarization" but because the population was majority bulgarian.In the interwar years the serbs destroyed everything and the bulgarians were forbidden from learning/writing in bulgarian and when our forces entered Macedonia they simply started educating their bulgarian brethren. The mere fact that Macedonia was the most underdeveloped and most exploitated region of Yugoslavia (interwar) can be directly attributed to the deep rooted ha*te that the serb leadership of Yugoslavia had towards everything bulgarian. Your claim that the modern day macedonians could be descendants of serbs is completely wrong,why forcing serb culture, language and repressing if they are serbs? There are many videos on UA-cam about WW2 Vardar Macedonia and the people are smiling and trowing flowers because they are welcomed back in Bulgaria. After WW2 Tito was angry with the bulgarian population cooperating with Bulgaria and forced unseen repressions, ma*ss*ac*res,jail, unemployment,even building co*nce*ntrat*ion camps was a practice of terror. Many bulgarians seeing that Bulgaria now a puppet of the USSR can't do anything to help them, simply accepted their fate and macedonianized. The only true Macedonia and macedonians that ever existed were ancient greeks who lost the Vardar when the bulgarians came to the Balkans and during thousands of years of demographic change in modern day Vardar Macedonia.
Exactly. This video makes a major error claiming the population "was told" to think they were Bulgarian. They self-identified as Bulgarian "Macedonians" before the Bulgarian invasion.
Some Serb "Macedonians" were assimilated into "Macedonians" after WW2 but you are right that the majority of them sefl-identifed as Bulgarian during WW2.
I feel bad for Bulgarians feeling isolaed but Bulgarians helped do this to themselves by not taking Greece's side in 1990 and refusing to call them "Macedonians'. By calling them Macedonians it just feeds their propaganda machine.
@@mydogsbutler i agree,but back then we thought that they were not gonna act like pests. And we also did that to discourage serbian invasion, even going so far that we tretened Serbia about attacking. Real sad story.
Balkan nationalists make the often repeated mistake of "trusting what they learn in school" or "trusting what their parents tell them about history". Macedonian nationalism was much older and much more ingrained they it's usually thaught- yes, Macedonians who identified as Bulgarians existed but they were far from the whole population. Which is why policies of Bulgarisation were implemented. Because the Bulgarians used this population of macedono-bulgarians in their occupational administration, after the war a big chunk of them immigrated to Bulgaria, fearing retaliation. That was the end of Bulgarian nationalism in Macedonia, the later communist rule cemented that through their own hard-line macedonian nationalism.
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As a Bulgarian I can say that the video is not OK,. It is not even close to the reality and what is really happening to the Bulgarian population of Macedonia - which was more than 70% populated by self-identified Bulgarians in 1913. Vardar Macedonia- 99% Bulgarians against 1% Serbians( excluding Turkish) . Anyone who pretends to be objective on the subject, should start there! In the 100 years since then, that all Bulgarians has been disappeared from Macedonia's population due to huge pressure by Belgrad and Atina. There was a hidden genocide carried out in Yugoslavia, Greece by denying the Bulgarian character of the population in that area. In these two countries( Yugoslavia and Greece) , one can be anything but Bulgarian! Since 1913, Bulgaria lost 3 wars against Serbia and Greece in order to protect Bulgarian population in region of Macedonia! In this video robers become victims and victim (Bulgarian people in Macedonia) become agressors.
So, in such way this video justified debulgarisation of Macedonia by Greeks and Serbs (Yugoslavs) . 100 years long LIE. I could not watch it until end. So much hatred towards Bulgaria. I hope it is not ordered by Belgrad or it pupets of Skopie, but look like it is done by their order.
Maybe you can do a video about the Romanians in The Timoc Valley area.
Very niche. Sorry no.
hope you cover the german and vichy occupation of france keep up the awesome work your doing
The terms you use to describe macedonians are incorrect and offensive , the preparation agreement signed by both Greece and Republic of macedonia defines the official name for citizens of the Republic is Macedonians / citizens of the Republic of North macedonia. For a history teacher you mustn't read enough ? Maybe just propaganda and UA-cam comments 😂
Samuel's Fortress did great reaction video. Stop telling lies!
I am flattered.
@@HistoryHustle The lies you claim in your video are too easy to expose.
I am lazy so i will copy an answer that i gave to Andrea Janevski down below: @Andrea Janevski You were not opressed by the Serbs who ruled you for 20 years? You do realize that your people overwhelmingly voted for the Bulgarian Exarchate? So before the anexation of Macedonia from Serbia your people had a bulgarian identity. Look Andrea nation states are a construct. In the beginning of the 20 century macedonians felt bulgarians because the local bourgeoisie, pristhood and intellectual classes were inspired by the bulgarian national ideal. After the serbs came they started applying the serb national idea but failed coz the ideas of the old elite were still strong in people's heads. However strong the bulgarian ideal by the time of the second world war it was only remembered and shared only among the upper classes of society and some of the intellectuals. Probably the peasentry was very confused by all the different nationalistic narratives being presented(serbian narative, greek narative, bulgarian narative). Nation states are constructs built by elites and not some genetic ancestry. Bulgarian identity is constructed too... Yes there was a bulgarian state in the medival period but was it a nation state? Just to give you an example of what a construct the nation is: During the French Revolution in France only 50% of the population spoke a dialect that is somehow close to the codified french language and of these 50% only around 10-12% spoke "proper" french. If Bulgaria won the balkan wars you today would think that you are a bulgarian. I see people arguing about how different our languages are. I find this hilarius... The difference between the dialects in Italy before Garibaldi built the nation state of Italy was larger that the difference between bulgarian and macedonian. The difference was probably larger that the difference between bulgarian and serbian. If there was an organaised millitary force capable of defeating the local elites of the balkans and unifing all the slavic speaking people under one banner today you me and the serbs would have been one and the same. Nation building is an enterprise of the elites.
You work for the Tatar government? Lies lies and more lies.
@@RU-Aussie Tatars are Russian citizens and as a bulgarian i dont fork for the russian government.
My grandfather and his friend was killed by the bulgarian natzies in ww2. So they were occupiers
I understand. Yet, the Bulgarians were not nazis though.
Edit; in my first post I called them Nazis. Forgot to put the word 'not' in it.
@@HistoryHustle You seriously believe that? After we saved 45,000 jews? If Bulgarians were nazis, those jews would never have seen the light of day.
@@HistoryHustle thanks for being accurate, despite the emotionally loaded subject. Balkans need more of that honestly.
You masterfully dance through the historical "minefield" that Balkans are...
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great video my friend. Greeks we have a great issue when they tried to take our history but also on their propaganda that the Greek Macedonia belongs to them.
Thank you for watching.
Bulgarian-Macedonian here ! Sorry to telling you guys but you have no regards to history specially the Balkan history. 😅
Please explain.
The people are Macedonians, not yugo macedonians, not slavomacedonians, not north macedonians, just Macedonians. It dosnt make any difference if some greek fascist are offended or not, you as a historian should know to respect the facts, the right to self-identification and self-determination and to ne biased. Even according to the Prespa agreement the country is now North Macedonia, but the people are Macedonians.
Discussion remains.
I totaly agree
Oh irony. A former Yugoslavian fascist that lies about his history and promoted irredentism lecturing about fascism. Look in the mirror Nazi-boy.
the prespa agrement also says you are supposed to renouce all claim to ALexander. While ultra nationalist slike you claim to speak for history.. you lie in the present. Half your country are not only continuing to call the country "Macedonia", continuing to quite ridiculously trying to link yourselves to ancient Greek Macedonians, but using that to promote irredentism against Greece.
@@bobifetski Stop with the fascist propaganda already Skopain, Stop violating the Prespa agrement or else we are going to remove recognition entirely.
Interesting
Thanks for watching.
A war is about to start in the comment section 💀
I know...
@@HistoryHustle Part of the problem is you are rewriting history. You've made a major error (which others repeat) trying to imply they didn't identify as Bulgarians during WW2. Bulgarians didn't force them to identity as Bulgarians. Even prior to the invasion the vast majority of them saw themselves as Bulgarian "Macedonians". That's exactly why Bulgaria objects to their fake history too.
History of my family was sadly related with Bulgarian occupation
As a Greek I appreciate you try explain why you call them Slav "Macedonians" but in the end they are not "Macedonians" anymore than they are Athenians or Spartans.. It's nationalist propaganda that foreign nationalists unfortunately repeat which just feeds their propaganda machine.
What you call "Macedonia" region is a widespread myth. No such "Macedonia" jurisdiction with those borders have existed in history. This is foreign nationalist repeating Skopian irredentist propaganda that implied Macedonia Greece was part of a "divided" "Macedonia. Alexander's homeland of Macedonia is 100 percent in Greece. Zero percent in Skopje. Skopje was in the kingdom of Paeonia in antiquity. Paeonia stretched so far south part of it is actually in today's Greece. Philip conquered Paeonia. As did later Romans (who made it part of their own Roman province of Macedonia) but it was nor Alexander's homeland as the former Yugoslavians claim,
They were not "told" they were Bulgarians during WW2. Most of them still self-identified as Bulgarian "Macedonians" during WW2. (to much smaller degree Serbian). that's exactly they welcomed Bulgarians as liberators. And exactly why the US refused to recognized them as "Macedonian" during the Greek civil war. Back then it was more obviously they were Bulgarians.
Half of them now claim not to be Slavic but ancient Macedonians.. aka founders of the Hellenistic while being antihellenic. Nearly everyone that called them "Macedonians" evades over their fli-flopping identity claims. They also, unethically, pretend not to notice how they once again abuse the name "Macedonia" to imply Macedonia Greece belongs to them (as they did during the Greek civil war)
All.least I got your appreciation 😅
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@@mydogsbutler Greeks are Turks
@@RU-Aussie Ummm.. apostasy was a death sentence under the Ottomans dear. You have things exactly backwards. Assimilation was one way Greeks into Turks. Try harder you shameless liar.
@@RU-Aussie If you former Yugoslavians are doing nothing wrong why hide most of you used to self-identify as Bulgarians prior to Yugoslav communists wiping out Bulgarian identity in Vardar?
Vomited a little when you mentioned geographical areas of Macedonia in Bulgaria, Greece and ‘Kosovo’ - there is no Kosovo, just SERBIA
Hope your computer isn't covered with puke now...
Pretty superficial knowledge of the subject
Please explain.
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Interesting side note, the last time the United States Congress exercised its Constitutional role in declaring war against another nation was June 5th, 1942. This means that it can be argued that every military engagement beyond 90 days could be seen as a criminal act by the President who ordered it.
all those different ethnic people in such a small place. they have been killing each other for decades.
It's peaceful now.
@@HistoryHustle HA, you are so delusional it is insane!
There is brink of war between Serbia and Kosovo... Albanians and Macedonians fighting on the streets. Macedonians spitting on Bulgarians during a football match. War in Ukraine next door. I can keep going.... what peace are you talking about you moronic clown?
@Tommy Sands Most of the "ethnicities" are fabricated deliberately in the 20th century to cause these "ethnic" conflicts between us
50 percent of the content is misleading, incorrect and not historically objective. The author represents an oversimplified western narrative of the Macedonian question by also wanting to sound politically correct. For the true depiction of this time period I suggest checking on the channel Samuel's Fortress.
Please explain.
@History Hustle You forgot to mention that over 90% of the population of the geographical region of Macedonia is ethnically Bulgarian and charged with strong patriotism. And "the occupation", as you call it, is not actually an occupation, but the liberation of cities, villages and lands inhabited entirely by the Bulgarian population. For reference, you can read a lot of books, and there are also a lot of videos of how the "occupied" population welcomes the Bulgarian liberation troops. And otherwise - first Turkey, and then, over the years, Serbia and Greece with terror, genocide and ethnic cleansing and changing the Bulgarian names tried to change this, but met strong resistance. Only after World War II, by order of Stalin and with the help of the dictator Tito, a new nation was created - Macedonian, Serbian scientists invented the Macedonian alphabet, Serbian historians invented Macedonian history, and thousands of Bulgarians were sent to concentration camps for refusing to register as Bulgarians and start to speak the new language - Macedonian.
source?
So how tou explained the macedonian guerrilas who fought against Bulgars ?
These partisan units (cheti) are Bulgarian, fighting against the Serbian occupiers and against the Greek units (andarti) in the south, who massacre the Bulgarian population. Even one of my great-grandfathers was part of such a company of the people's militia. Those partisans you call "Macedonian" were financed, trained and led by Belgrade and the local population did not distinguish them from the Serbian and Greek occupiers.
@@4i4okomita in that case, why was the bulgarian army ordered to prepare plan for (occupation) of Macedonia? Document with the executive order given is available on-line in original form where is clearely states the term occupation of Macedonia. If your delusional twist was true, this would not have been the case. Link of the document below:
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Bulgarian Lies
I enjoyed your mini documentary thoroughly. However the fact is that most of the true Macedonians are Hellenic. All others are invaders. And in particular the Bulgarians where hardest on Slavo Hellenic population than Serbians . However lad it was still a brilliant video.👍👊😎
I don’t quite understand you. At all. Are you claiming that an entire set of nations that have existed in these regions for over a millennia are ‘ invaders ‘ !? Still !? Well, by your ‘ logic ‘, the entire populations of France, England, southern Russia, Japan, and many, many more, would be due for expulsion and resettlement. How do you propose to have this sort of thing carried out ? Do you also propose the expulsion to Europe, Asia, etc, of the entire western-originated populaces of Australia, NZ, the USA, Canada ? How many of them would be welcome in ( trumpets sounding ) ‘ Hellenic Greece ‘ ?..
@@matthewwhitton5720 indeed you have misunderstood. If you care to read the classical sources etc etc. You would come to accept that the original inhabitants were of Hellenic origins . The Macedonians spoke a dialects of Doric Greek. The Macedonians have always been a Hellenic people. As for rest you mentioned it is purely non sequitur. God bless you lad and your family.🙏
That is Greek propaganda. The "hellenes" were of a religious/cultural movement of sort, not a race of people. The Macedonians in the BC era and today are one and the same people, white Europeans. The real 'Greeks' were the Danai, who were arrivals from Africa/Arabia from the 600BC onwards to the Peloponnese and lower islands, they were pirates and marauders. The term 'slav' means those who have a certain knowledge or the written word, it is not a nationality of people.
@@danielm3670 Daniel you are incorrect. According the archeological evidence, ancient classical sources, and literary evidence. The Greeks origins are from the north east of Europe not Africa. So you are uttering Pro North African Propaganda. The Greeks(Hellenic people) are of the European race(white), Macedonians are of Doric blood as are the Spartans. Hence Hellenic. And are the true natives of that geographic area. I wish you well and God bless you!
@@fredazcarate4818 No, that is literally the way that the German-Nordic school of history has interpreted that region, led by the pseudo historian Johann Gustav Droysen from the 1800s, the Germans themselves have admitted those views as being false more than 30 years ago. You seem to have an anti-Macedonian agenda going on there. Visit Aleksandar Donski History Channel on youtube and educate yourself with proper factual history including many ancient sources.
This channel just spews Yugoslav/Serb/Greek propaganda... Bulgaria did not occupy anything that wasn't already Bulgarian. The terrorities were promised to Bulgaria by treaties, and the population has always been a majority Bulgarian. The ethnic cleansings, deportations and greek/serb conversions in vardar/aegean macedonian happened under brutal force by the Greek and Yugoslav occupying forces and regimes.
A Bulgarian nationalists becomes angry.
@@HistoryHustle angry? No. But I am disappointed that with enough money or production value, it is easy to fool people with propaganda. You should be ashamed.
He is right and im Not bulgarian
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You seem to hate Bulgaria friend
What treaties?
We're there any other Axis allied armies in North Africa besides Germany and Italy??
I believe not.
@History Hustle - Tell us how much did the Skopjans paid you for this propaganda video? We want to know your price, to hire you for another one.
See sources below the video.
We as Macedonians cannot accept Yugoslav Macedonians, Slavo Macedonians or North Macedonians. Please re-read your details and update your knowledge. We do not have origins from Serbia or Bulgaria and we do not pretend we are MACEDONIANS. It is shameful that you can not see the differences between this nations. Even if the government changed the name to north, we are still Macedonians, read again the Prespa treaty. Thanks and you are well welcomed to be our guest once more.
I refer to my sources. Cant satisfy everyone.
@@HistoryHustle Why choose one side then. You are fake news.
@The Conqueror Ти си българин
You have no relation to ancient Macedonia, Biblical Macedonia or Byzantine Macedonia.
You are a mixed-race people who came into the Balkans in the 7th century AD - 1000 years after Megas Alexandros.
The name Macedonians is already taken. Invent a new one.
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I have a Bulgarian Jewish Star Button in my Collection
No joke but I still say Yugoslavia so I need to remember less countries names
Stop spreading misinformation for macedonia.
Macedonia is culturally and ethnically bulgarian.
No source. No arguments. Great comment 👍
You can only talk about occupation when it comes to the occupation of the Serbian lands. Liberation of Macedonia is not an occupation
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle Because Macedonians are Bulgarians and the Bulgarian army was welcomed back . Basic Balkan knowledge
Thanks for telling the people of the world that Bulgarians were not just Liberators to some people's eyes. They were harsh. They Forced people to be like Slaves. But thanks to Tito and his Partisans It was liberated.
That's where it came down to.
Macedonians always getting told by others who they are/are not...
Pretty much yeah
@@HistoryHustleMacedonia's last attempt was the uprising in 1903. Simply they didn't want to collaborate entirely with Serbians and Bulgarians because they would betray them probably. My friend's great grandfather was part of the VMRO/IMRO clearly Macedonian, he still has his document or whatever that he is a member of the organization as a Macedonian. Bulgarians never accepted that were a similar but not the same. We are exactly like Serbs and Croats. Very similar but not the same as i said.
@@nikolatanev1140 The population of slavic speaking peoples in Vardar and Aegean Macedonia were 100% Bulgarians before 1903... There was never an uprising against Bulgarians, this is the problem with propaganda. Bulgarians helped the people of Vardar Macedonia uprise against the Serb oppressors.
You are not "macedonians" . You are ultra nationalist frauds that hide you used to call yourselves bulgarian "macedonians".
@@HistoryHustle They are being told what they are because they lie about their own history.
Just use the official names and try to be more correct! Just because there is some frustrated Greeks doesn’t mean you have the right to call us whatever you like! That is so IDIOTIC! Officially we changed our name into North Macedonia but still both the language and the nationality are MACEDONIAN, liked or not! Stop using prefixes, suffixes or other bullsh*t ! Thank you
I see you are very triggered.
@@HistoryHustle I see you’re very offensive and ignorant about what has actually happened on the Balkans and probably your knowledge is based on what your friends are telling you, not about what actually has happened! Yes I’m triggered because there are too many UA-camrs who are not competent and trying to narrate history based on nothing! I just stopped the video cause moreover you’re too annoying! Don’t reply I don’t care
@@gotse9354 Ти си жалък, Гоце! Вие сте северномакедонци! Спрете с античномакедонската глупост!!!
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The pictures you've been given showing Macedonians welcoming Bulgarian army with flowers and songs are taken after Bulgaria already took control over Macedonia, placed local and regional governess who then made sure a parade was organized of the ''welcomed'' arrival of the Bulgarian troops. This was a typical fascist propaganda for that period and the same examples can be found in other conquered countries by the Italians and Germans, trying to showcase a different story to what is real.
Lol, we have witnesses and records of this happening, you can't deny it.
@@dobripvalov I did not said it did not happen, I explained when and under what circumstance it did happen. Educate yourself before posting B.S.
Also, we still have people alive from that time on our side as well, it works both ways!
@Nikola S. Yes I can as it simply not true.
@Nikola S. LoL 😂, you really could not come up with some smart and qualifed relpy did you? 😬😬😬 Btw check your facts, KPM or as it was known back then "the communist league of Macedonia" was established in 1943.
@@bauc Well, your "explanation" is not supported by any evidence and thus is incorrect. You're the one that should educate himself - for a start you can read the interrogation of Spiro Kitinchev by OZNA.
Serbianiztion that is a new one for me. Like wtf They are all Serbs in Yugoslavia just divided by religion and outside power influence till this day!
kakav sad sovinizam u vardarskoj banovini...sve se okrenulo naopako...sunce mu zarko
Sad serbian noises.
@@Klikovac1000 ali istina je
Bulgolia
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@@HistoryHustle Bulgolian Horde 👀👀👀
@@HistoryHustle The fact that you allow and find such racist comments funny proves your awful character and that you are not objective in your practice of history.
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