Bulgaria was the first country to recognize independent Macedonia under it's constitutional name. So no. Bulgaria fought for Macedonia for as long as the people there considered themselves Bulgarian. Now this is no longer the case, so they don't.
Bulgaria was so quick to recognize independent Macedonia, for the following reason - this way Bulgaria guaranteed, that the Serbian army will not attack Macedonia. Bulgaria was ready to engage Serbia in a war, if this happened.
In our timeline, Bosnia was at the centre and EVERYONE wanted a piece of it hence it had the worst war horrors. In this Bulgarian Yugoslavia it would have been a shared 1st place with Macedonia where Albanians, Greeks, Bulgarians and native Macedonians would fight until the bloody end..
not exactly the bled agreement was singed and it's prosses of destroying bulgarian culture was started in pirin macedonia the comies did't care for the future of the state but reletions between stalin and tito soured and the "goverment" ended it
@user-gc9pw4ch5y what are you saying? Learn English bro. Also Tito didn't want Macedonia to go to Bulgaria because that would give Bulgaria a ton of political power. Did you even watch the video?
Me too, and I'm not a Bulgarian. I'm a Canadian who's always been fascinated by that region for some reason. I still have so much to learn and am very anxious to visit sometime soon.
Honestly, it's a shame. If Tito agreed to an equal union and ceding Macedonia (and we successfully escape from under Stalin's nose), the union would have been very successful, all parties would get what they want, brothers would be with brothers, culture preserved, no Stalinism, and we'd essentially become a middle power in Europe. But alas, Tito said no, and if joining Yugoslavia meant not only losing what our ancestors fought for over two centuries, but also loose Bulgaria, its autonomy and its culture, and have it split up for pretty much ever, it's not worth the union and I'm glad this negative variant didn't happen.
Would have been a better fit. The spiritual successors to the ancient Dacians and Thracians,+ one side of the river predominantly Romanic, the other side predominantly Slavic, but with a long shared and intertwined history. Especially before Romania got that big chunk out of Hungary.
Romanians are the dacians, the bulgarians are new commers who plundered, massacred and replace the original thracian population, which still had an identity up tu their arrival.
as a Bulgarian, I am surprised that your politicians did not choose Greater Serbia with Montenegro and half of Bosnia, but they preferred Yugoslavia after ww1
I really love how you improved your videos not only quality but even the characters drawn, it really shows the progression you made through out the years, so cheers to you mate!
@@TransKidsMafia I've read a fair bit of your comments, and you have a family of at least 30 trans kids in different ages that you're really wanting to talk about?
Just one slight correction perhaps: Bosnia was a jointly governed territory after the annexation, so it would have a third colour scheme or the mix of the two others.
I'm curious about Herzegovina. Why is it seemingly inextricably tied to Bosnia, why is it often elided when talking about B&H as a whole (c.f. the previous video on Poland vs. Poland-Lithuania), and what did it represent historically?
As 1/2 Bosnian Serb : Herzegovina exists more as a geographical region and less as a political entity. Moreover, there is no ethnic majority in Herzegovina - the west is more Croat dominated, the centre has a bit more Muslims/Bosniaks, and the East is predominantly Serbian. Moreover a solid chunk of historical Herzegovina is today in Montenegro, and even there nobody really talks about it as Herzegovina. Historical Herzegovina had a coast which is today mostly in Dalmatia only partly in BiH and Montenegro. Finally, nobody really knows where is the exact border between Bosnia and Herzegovina, it really depends on the person answering the question. It originated as a Duchy - the first guy called himself "herzog" (duke in German if I am not mistaken) of Saint Sava (medieval Serbian saint), and the Turks when they arrived just took the name as an administrative category. Not sure I have answered your questions as in all honesty I am not sure why it is often neglected as an entity - probably practical reasons and the fact that the only ethnicity that adheres to the name of the country are BOSNIAks - and not Herzegovinians.
Herzegovina was formed as separate entity in 15th century, when local lord rebelled against Bosnian king and declared independence. As such, Turks (after conquering both) considered it separate entity, but combined them together for easier governing (as would everyone later). Also, unlike Bosnia, Herzegovina remained mostly Christian (with both catholic and orthodox population). In later years, it became point of nationalistic clashes as Serbs, Croatians and even Montenegrins at one point saw it as rightful part of their territory, while Bosnia and it's Muslim population was used to "tip scales" in favor of one of opposing parties (for example, Muslims were more pro-Serbian in interwar period, while more pro-Croatian during WW2). Today, two regions still remain culturally and religiously divided, as Herzegovina's Christian inhabitants don't consider themselves Bosnian. And this is short version.
It's nothing more than a geographical region. Herzegovina begun as Slavic land, then basically became Bosnia for most of history, the separated into its own duchy, then the two were grouped together, and today that is the case, where they are a single region with a single collective name from the past. Bosnia and Herzegovina (or BiH for short) is a complicated entity. It is a country of sub-political entities made up of BiH (the region, not to be confused with BiH the entire country), Brčko District and Republika Srpska (not to be confused with the country of Serbia). If you had asked why all these three entities exist, that would have been another question. But if you're asking about "Bosnia and Herzegovina", they are just two names for different parts of the same thing. Notice how the three entities are BiH (Bosnia&Herzegovina), Brčko and Republika Srpska - Bosnia and Herzegovina is a single entity. If you want to know the exact regions - there isn't - that's why I said the reason is merely Geographic. Bosnia and Herzegovina are the same entity, Bosnia is just the northern part, Herzegovina is the southern part of the same entity. There isn't even a clear border between Bosnia and Herzegovina (in contrast to the somewhat established borders between the actual seperate entities, BiH, Brčko and RepSrpska) The only difference is Bosnia is Bosniak (Bosnian Bosnians/ Bosnian Muslims) majority, whilst Herzegovina doesn't have a clear majority but for the most part it's Croat (Bosnian Croat/ usually Catholics) majority. Hope I helped :) I tried to summarise it as much as possible. If it's still hard to get, remember the saying: nobody understands how BiH work, and if you do, you were explained it wrong, haha. TL;DR (BiH is short for Bosnia and Herzegovina.) The country of BiH is made up of three regions: • BiH (the region) • Brčko District • Republika Srpska BiH the region and BiH the country are made up of two geographic regions: •Bosnia •Herzegovina There is no difference and no border between the two. Bosnia is just the northern part of BiH the country and region, and Herzegovina is the south. In BiH the region, Bosnia is Bosniak (Bosnian Bosnian/ Bosnian Muslim) majority, whilst Herzegovina has no clear majority, but for the most part it is Croat (Bosnian Croat/ mainly Catholic) majority. The reason there are two names for a single region is historic, Bosnia was the name of the country, Herzegovina is named after a Duke (Herzeg="duke") who ruled the land before it was ceaded back to Bosnia.
And there were also historical Usora & Soli as Theme of Syrmium and Kingdom of Syrmia of Stefan Dragutin, Unska krajina which was basically part of Croatia most of preOttoman time, Podrinje and Tropolje which was part ancient Dalmatia and "Hungarian" Dalmatia until 1409 and/or similar.
“ When the war came, I did bad things, but after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people” Niko Bellic
Yes, the answer of how many countries there are in North America is four - Mexico, Canada, United States and... France. St Pierre et Miquelon - the last remnants of France in North America. Ah, la gloire de la France
Please do a video on the following subjects: 1. Why did the Revolution of 1848 fail in the German states and Spain? 2. Why do people drive on different sides of the road in different countries?
But did it? (the revolution of 1848 fail in the German states and Spain). Zhou En Lai apparently said about effects of the French Revolution that it was too soon to tell.
#2 was based on the British and such. IIRC, in America it was because often the driver of a wagon was on the left side of the wagon/left rear horse so that they could keep the horses driven with his crackin whip if need be. Britain put it into a law apparently in 1773.
To be fair it wouldn't have been bad if Tito accepted an equal union and ceded Macedonia to Bulgaria. That way, every party would be happy, and this nation of South Slavs would essentially become a middle power in Europe. But sadly, Tito said no, Bulgaria risked too much, including not only what they fought for over two centuries, but also their autonomy and culture, and Stalin wouldn't have been happy post-Tito split anyway.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 It didn't happen because Stalin forced his Bulgarian puppets to abandon the deal. The Bulgarians already conceded Macedonia as its own separate nation at that point.
Imagine a country containing former Yugoslav countries, Bulgaria and Albania. Might be a civil war speedrun but goddamn it looks good on a map (tried it out in HOI4)
That actually was one of Tito's ambitions - at first Albania got a lot of aid from Yugoslavia after the WW2 in hopes to achieve unification. He also helped Greek partisans in order to get the real Greek Macedonia into Yugoslavia and extend it to Aegean sea. He wanted to take Trieste also (an important port in Adriatic) - but the Brits said NO. Bulgaria was a long shot but that would look impressive on a map for sure. Adriatic, Black and Aegean sea under one country for the first time since the Roman/Byzantine empire.
Hey, fun fact, when Battle for the Bosphorus came out, I played as Yugoslavia and divided the kingdom but Bulgaria attacked me. After winning I just puppeted it and then reunify the kingdom, what was my surpise when I annexed Bulgaria and core it, amazing
Perhaps you are thinking of Knowledgia? Although much longer their video was much worse missing stuff like the different views Tito and Dimitrov had on the unification. It also had very bad pronunciations on some words like "croats".
Yugoslavia popping into the world with sound of a champagne bottle being open fits so well. Much like the USSR collapse being the sound of broken glass. This guy is a pro subtle comedic sounds
In SFRJ, Macedonia was peer to Serbia, Serbia had no say in whose Macedonia was - it was its own, and has been its own ever since.If Macedonia wanted to be a Bulgarian province, it would have became one. My impression is that Macedonians love their liberty more than they love brotherhood with any would-be brother. But, now they have to open their hearts to brotherhood with Albanians, who aren't great brothers with anyone but Albanians.
@@salec7592 I'm a Macedonian, and I'll say the following. Throughout history we've always being told that we're something else. Serbs call us "South Serbs with speech impairment", Bulgarians call us "Western Bulgarians" or "Bulgarians from Macedonia", Greeks call us "Macedonian Greeks who got mixed with Slavs" and so on. So after centuries being divided and being called something else, we had to rise up and speak up about what we are. And we did, but our lovely neighbors shouted louder than us with their views. That's why to this day I cannot call myself Macedonian online without some prick from our lovely neighbors shouting that I'm something else. As for the Albanians, that's partially our fault and the USA that got us to Albanianize the western parts.
@@Dac_DT_MKD As an outside observer, it seems like many of the post-Yugoslavia disputes are because one group thinks that another group isn't a real group but rather a subset of their own group. And the fact that the latter group thinks they are distinct should be proof enough that they are in fact distinct, in my view
@@Dac_DT_MKD Hehe Serbs with Speech Impairment. If you're used to Serbo-Croatian (particularly, ekavski) then yeah, it does sound a bit like that. Some Serbs went to Russia in the 2000's and Russians would hear them speak, and make the same comment -- "Wow it's just like Russian but it sounds like they're disabled"
@@Dac_DT_MKD You are delusional Bulgarian. Macedonian nationality was a regional identity until 1945 when it became ''ethnical.'' Ask your grandpa's Ottoman documents if he is alive and keeps them.
Yeah here it’s just kind of “yeah so the US bulldozed their way through getting these lands either by buying them or by killing everybody else who lived there, sometimes both”
Somehow even tho most Americans neither know or care about Central & Eastern Europe that doesn't stop our State Department from embroiling us in their affairs
Maybe it would be interesting to have a video about how Kingdom of Yugoslavia came to be? More concretly, how come all these different people accepted one king and who was he?
Serbia was an independent kingdom (with it's own, Serbian kiing) for 50ish years by that point, after Balkan wars 1912-13 it grew and included Macedonia, and there were a lot of Serbs living in Austo-Hungaran Empire. Also, other South Slavic nations (or their representatives) thought that it's better to unite with Sebria, because the usual things nations unite: defense (more people to defend each other in case of a war) and commerce (a lot of goods in bigger country you don't need to pay import tax).
@@aurelije Serbia found Yugoslavia before Tito came in power. Belgrade was capitol city and Tito lived there ... Yugoslavia was fine until Serbians wanted Yugoslavia then in 1980s they did not wanted Yugoslavia but Greater Serbia and Yugoslavia collapsed
@@Toonrick12 not necessarily but as a neutral country in the middle of the two blocs had a war broken out there it would have certainly destabilized relations between the us and the ussr like in every other conflict during the cold war
Because Yugoslavia had strong military after WW2 (they did liberated them selfs) that was not solely depended on USSR (it played with both sides of the cold war) and Bulagarians had no military to speak off since they were Soviet puppets by then.
@@madkoala2130 Bulgaria did have a military you're right it was inferior to Yugoslavia's. You're also right in a way though that because Bulgaria were part of the Warsaw Pact communist bloc basically a state subservient to the USSR they didn't have any independent authority and had they acted in this way (which they couldn't have anyway because they didn't have a strong enough military) it would have been suicide on two fronts. Firstly military defeat and probably losing more land to Yugoslavia and secondly it would have angered Moscow who would have imposed a leader more suited to doing what they were told, which was basically your own country (with an iron fist under communism) and nothing more.
I love how insanely apart Belgrade and Sofia imagined the Union - Belgrade with a complete carving of Bulgaria, Bulgaria with becoming the dominant partner immediately. Match made in heaven!
If Yugoslavia and Bulgaria had ever united, they would have become a real powerhouse in the Balkans and Southeastern Europe, hard to be triffled with. With access to both the Black and the Adriatic Seas, controlling most of the southern bank of Danube river and a powerful military, the united state would have been at least a regional power.
And if Bulgaria didn't lose the coast of Aegian sea it will be even more but again that is just dreams. Even the most powerful empires had collapsed at some point.
It was stupid idea. I dont hate anyone,but Bulgaria is more close mentality like Turks and Gypsis.. It was about 200 years behind Yugoslavia. They was part of Ottoman empire more than Serbia and other part of Yugoslavia,after was Soviet puppies.. Yugoslavias economy and also politic cant compare with Bulgaria.. Its compare like golf and mercedes.. Yugoslavia wasnt survive,but was that time on right way to became something strong in future..
@@HeroManNick132 Maybe,on some way. But also I meet Bulgarians and Romanians,its other mentality.. Also Yugoslavia wasnt be stronger with Bulgarians,just one more problem. They hate Macedonians and always want to put them on their influence.. About 40%of Bulgarians are very dark skin,looks like Gypsis,or mixed with them.. I am not racist or hater,just about historicly I will repeat,they are more behind..
This is actually a question I made myself numerous times, particulary for the communism era, so I'm grateful for the video. Reasons given are no minor, but it's incredible how leaders, historically, let such reasons win instead to fight for a major cause (for example, winning influence over a greater country).
It's a point of view I suppose. The greater goal for Bulgarians was to remain unified, as our moto says "Unity makes strength" (or something similar. Translation is a nightmare for this one). The unification with Yugoslavia would have divided Bulgaria, and every war so far was fought to unite it. Not to mention the separation of Macedonia was a big NO for the people in the capital, where the vast majority of the population was macedonian. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if the "bigger picture" does not align with "the end goal", its probably not the "bigger picture" ✌️😅
“As Austro-Hungary was falling apart the Slavic regions broke free and declared the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes” I mean, apart from the fact that the regions were given to Serbia by the victorious Allied powers as compensation for their war damages, that most Croats and Slovenes didn’t want to be part of what was essentially greater Serbia (hence sparking a resistance movement), and that the corfu declaration was made well before the war ended - other than that this is a totally true statement.
If we roll back to the time before bulgaria was liberated there was support for a unified serbo bulgarian kingdom. Lyuben Karavelov being one of the main supporters of the idea. From there a bigger yugoslav kingdom could be created. However the great powers would never allow a strong south slavic state to exist.
Honestly if Serbia and Bulgaria were both in Yugoslavia it would still exist today. Because we are both stubborn nations beyond reason. And we could have garrisoned Bulgarians in Croatia and Slovenia because i just know Bulgarians would do at least seven genocides the first time a Croat smashes a Cyrillic board and calls it "Hyerogliph" or God forbid does something to a Orthodox Church.
@@VojislavMoranic Problem is Serbia and Bulgaria hated each other. Dont know why but Serbia was hellbent on destroying Bulgaria. It got to the point where they comitted ethnic cleansing against bulgarians and then during ww2 bulgarians returned the favour. Afther that point there was no unification.
Whenever two nations look like they’re about to unify, thing’s always seem to go south once the issue of which of them is going to be in charge comes up.
Tito also put up propaganda that (North) Macedonia was directly tied to Alexander the Great and NOT Bulgaria. Despite the fact that Macedonian and Bulgarian are basically the same language, though they may have diverged since then.
thats like saying people from gambia are the same as the people from UK because they both speak enlighs, genetically macedonians are tied to ancient ethnicities that lived in the region of macedonia but bulgarians more to the Tatars in russia. Bulgaria are tied closer to turks and islamic russian ethnicities than to macedonia
The Macedonian nation was created on the basis of anti-Bulgarian ideology by the Serbian state under the tutelage of Russia. There is a god who is watching, Kosovo is no longer Serbia, Ukraine is no longer Russia, just as they split off Macedonia from mother Bulgaria. Sooner or later the day of reckoning will come.
@@MacedonianChristian These fictions about the genetics of Bulgarians are written only in the fictional textbooks of North Macedonia. How many real genetic studies of today's Bulgarians have you seen? I suspect not at all. And how many Bulgarians with mongoloid facial features have you met? And how many Bulgarians with mongoloid facial features have you met? Genetic studies prove that 83.5% of today's Bulgarians have the genes of the first Neolithic farmers who inhabited the Balkan Peninsula 4900-5500 BC. I suspect that if you end up in a Bulgarian city without knowing which country you are in and without hearing what language the people speak, you will hardly find a difference between them and those in your native Macedonia.
@@MacedonianChristian Utter nonsense, show me this genetic survey that you are referring to. You can’t because there isn’t one that shows this. My grandmother is from Strumica born in 1903. Not a single person ever considered themselves anything but Bulgarian back then. Language is the same, names are the same, customs the same, religion the same. And don’t forget that in 680 khan Kuber settled in today’s North Macedonia, in the region around Prilep. This is well documented because of the subsequent unsuccessful attacks on Thessaloniki. Ohrid, Prespa and Skopje used to be Bulgarian capitals. These are historical facts that can’t be falsified unlike the claim that you are all ancestors of Alexander the Macedonian who was Hellenistic of nature. It’s like saying Bulgarians are Thracians! Exactly the same thing. Although some Thracians would have been around when Bulgars and Slavs started settling that does not make us Thracians. Even though Bulgaria was founded in 681, Bulgars had been attacking the Balkans and sometimes even fighting alongside the Byzantines from 480. And for reference the Bulgars come from a region between the Caucasus and Azov Sea. Do I need to mention the numerous attacks by Huns, Avars, Pechenegs, Magyars, Ottomans and etc. All of this leaves a trace in the bloodline. We are mixed, there is no such thing as a pure nation! But I guess Serb Propaganda for 80 years has brainwashed you before recognition.
Because it entertains the whole Balkans... The archeological finds there are with Greek scripts, they speak Bulgarian with 20 Serbian expressions, but they claim they are the holy creators of the region (and the world?)
Honestly, pretty well made video. Only complaints I have are the maps I guess as the map of the Medieval Bulgarian Empire is pretty far from accurate. And the map of what was said that Bulgaria claimed was sorta inaccurate too. But otherwise the info was downright accurate. The reason the Bulgarians chose not to join the Yugoslavian nation was precisely because the Slavic identity was not the main one of the Bulgarians and not really all that popular. It was one element of the wider Bulgarian ethnos where we see ourselves as sorta more unique than the other Slavs.
Do we? That's honestly news to me. Most Bulgarians see our country as a union of the Bulgars and Slavs and both are looked on as equally important. Maybe in the Soviet era it was different, although that would be surprising as the USSR was pushing a lot of Slavic supremacism
@@PNest1994 We overall identify as Bulgarians still while acknowledging the Slavic identity. It takes a backseat in a way. Although yes, we are a union of Slavs and Bulgars (Not Bulgarians). Should also be pointed out that the Soviets did put heavier emphasis on the Slavic part of the Bulgarians too so, there's that.
@@rawka_7929 I can see that, but honestly most Serbs and Croats I know don't see themselves as Slavic. I think Zizek has a great quote I'm not going to look up that goes "Every easter European says the Balkan and the Slavs are just east of their border" I think a lot of Slavs are ashamed to be called Slavs so they select a different identity to protect themselves from our sad, sad history.
@@PNest1994 However, it's harder for the Serbs to deny they're Slavs and same with the Croatians. Thus with them only the delusional nationalists do. As for us? We are Slavic but we are also a mix of other people's aswell.
Your videos are literally one of very few things that I’ll stop everything I’m doing just so I can watch. Also thank you for answering a question I’ve always had but never got around to look up
0:02 AAAAAAAA THE BORDERS OF STATE OF SLOVENES, CROATS AND SERBS IS SO BEAUTIFUL AAAAAAA I wish it managed to stay independent or at least leave Yugoslavia/Serbia after WW2.
I cogratulate Bulgaria from staying out of the Jugochujvia mess. For real what good does it take when a country cannot even outlast the 20th century when the rise of nationalism erupted on every part of the world? The more ancient Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth lasted for 2 centuries before being partitioned by foreign power but Jugochujvia doesn't need one the beginning, the internal fight among themselves is more devastating then partitions by foreign power
Yugoslav idea originated in the Habsburg empire by mostly Croatian intelligentsia. As such, it was foreign to Bulgarian national movement. The language is also different enough not to feel close. Both Serbs and Bulgarians had strong medieval states (and both had empires, though Serbs had it for a short while). None of this applied to other South Slavs - most of them were absorbed early by either the Venetians or Hungarians. Therefore it was more difficult to "sell"the idea to Bulgarians. Now, why was it sold so easily to the Serbian intellectuals is, as a Serb myself - beyond me.
Due to same reason as why Pan-Turkism was easily spread amongst the Ottoman Turks despite most of the idea originating from Tatars of Russia rather than Turks of Ottoman empire. It gave them a tool to justify their control over the other people. Which were other Turkic people like Azeris in Ottomans case and remaining South Slavs in Serbia's case.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 makes no sense as there are new nations where once were Serbs but no new nations originating from Croats or Slovenes ie serbs are obvious net losers from Yugoslavia
Can you do a video about when people realized that FDR was paralyzed? And another one about the orthodox and catholic split? I actually have wondered about these things for a while and even I have the power to look them up, I know I'd love a video from you more
This might be a stupid question, but I still wanted to ask: How did the leaders of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, came to see the proposed unification so differently? One side breaking up as opposed to annexing some land seems to me like some misunderstanding that is very hard to get to.
Bulgarians wanted to get what they thought is theirs, Tito wanted to break up the Bulgarian nation and make it easier to control. Thankfully they never joined because after the disollution of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria would be several small nations in between Romania, Greece and Turkey, which would be easy for the picking and spark more Balkan wars.
Serbs were jealous that Bulgaria was much bigger in size so that's why they wanted to split it because Bulgaria would be the biggest republic and outnumbering the Serbs. If Yugoslavia was proposed to be owned by Sofia then it would work but again Serbs would never want Bulgarians to rule them and vise-versa. Also because Bulgaria is much older than Serbia.
Serbia whanted to destroy Bulgaria honestly. Not sure why and when this happened but the politics of Serbia at the time where very anti Bulgaria. If you go and ask a serb in thouse times if they can delete Bulgaria and every bulgarian off the world they woud gladly accept.
@@stefankatsarov5806 Сърбите също така крадяха неща, като шопската салата и торлашките диалекти, които ги смятаха за чисти сръбски, като не е така. Според тях шопите и торлаците са сърби, като това не е вярно! Ала сръбският шовинизъм няма край!
This is a mafia style deal! you would join us but you'll also be broken up into 3 pieces and also at the same time you lose part of your territory permanently. It's not surprising why the Bulgarians refused to join, isn't it?
A small part of this video, but the scene with Austria-Hungary and Karl I yet again brought me very warm feelings Also, I love how you included the Italian enclave of Zara/Zadar on Yugoslav map in 0:21
Can you please make a video on Greece and North Macedonia? There was extensive reference of (North) Macedonia in this video, but Greece has always had an issue of the usage of the name and symbols of Macedonia with claims that those are of greek origin while the Republic of North Macedonia is primarily slav. Your videos on Greece and Cyprus were very informative for someone who is greek cypriot.
The extensive usage of the name Macedonia is because the country is named Macedonia. More precisely, the country that is referenced in this video at the time was named S.R. Macedonia or Socialist Republic of Macedonia.
Ah, yes, please make a very unbiased, factual video about topics that appease each and every greek nationalist wet dream possible, such as how the entire world is actually greek, or how the andromedans are actually of greek origins, it's even in their name you see!
Long story short: Tito was helping Greek partisans after WW2 and was hoping to incorporate the real Macedonia into Yugoslavia once they overthrow the King (allegedly, that was to be the compensation for his support, so he had to make some excuse for "bringing all Macedonians to one state" and into Yugoslavia). Stalin said NO - Tito said YES, Stalin and the West said NO, and that was final. Even though that plan failed, the cultural indoctrination of people in that Yugoslav region was doubled down on, to make Yugoslavia more diverse (if they weren't South Serbians, they would be considered Bulgarians - and for Yugoslavia to work, both were a huge NO). People in that region were never considered Macedonians or was the name ever used until after the WW2 - on Tito's instructions to create another ethnicity (like the Montenegrin and Bosnian ones) to keep Yugoslavia carved in more or less equally influential republics so that none can overtake the power from him. It's ironic that the whole Partisan movement in Yugoslavia sought to end nationalistic tensions during the WW2, but afterwards the then socialist/communist government just kept them suspended only to erupt in a much more horrible manner after Tito's death...
@@mjock392 boy oh boy are you wrong we have called ourselves Macedonia for a long time but during the ottoman times the term Macedonia wasn't used much until the 1800s when it was revived then after the revival of the name we called ourselves Macedonia and Macedonians because we lived on the territory of Macedonia you have to be delusional to say that we didn't use the term Macedonia before the Communists or that we called ourselves as you guys say "Vardaskan" to that im gonna give you some quotes from people who traveled to Macedonia during that time period when our administrative name was Vardarska Makedonija: Alexandroff also stated that, if only his demands were granted, the Macedonians would lay down their arms and recognize the Serbian Kingdom, subject, of course, to it being reconstructed as a Federal State in which Macedonia would enter on equal rights with the other members of the Yugoslav Federation Dudley Heathcote, My Wanderings in the Balkans,1925 The inhabitants here [Aegean Macedonia] are no more Serb than the Macedonians of Serbia - they speak Macedonian, and they call themselves Macedonians. -Oliver C. Harvey, 1926
Hearing the Bulgarian proposal: "Thats a bit bold, Yugoslavia would never accept that.." Yugoslav proposal: "Can you cease to exist, pretty please with sugar on top?"
Serbians hated Bulagia, a lot and i mean alot even did soem ethnic cleasings. There is still bad blood till this day. Also noone of their neighbors likes Serbia for the same reasons.
0:55 Irredentism is still insane for Bulgarians nowadays. Don't know what propaganda they are being taught there but there is always a few Bulgarians on any related Romanian video that claims the whole of Romania belongs to them and that we always spoke old slavonic only because some "empire" from the dark ages with almost 0 sources claimed some lands here. Really annoying.
Thank god we didn’t end up joining. I already have people from the west visiting asking “did Bulgaria fight in the Yugoslav wars?” when they look at the state of our streets :D
Does anyone have any books to recommend on the history of South Eastern Europe? Besides South America, I have the least amount of knowledge on that region that I'm very interested in learning about.
I am curious too, commenting so I can get replies too! If nobody gives, I can try summarise the parts I know. Just remember, Balkans are very interesting but very complicated and controversial. Where are you from btw?
I had _no_ idea that I didn't know any of those things. Who knew? Thumb-so-big-that-it-looks-like-it-was-hit-by-a-hammer thumbs-up. History Matters delivers.
I will always love how this guy provides answers to questions I never thought of asking
Out of my nine kids one came out as cis. We’re putting him up for adoption.
@@TransKidsMafiaFucking huh?
How original. You are definitely the first who wrote that.
@@TransKidsMafiaObvious troll is obvious.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 so obvious you have to point out it’s so obvious
My newborn is trans
Now imagine the Yugoslav wars if Bulgaria was part of it. Macedonia would've been an absolute thunderdome.
Bulgaria was the first country to recognize independent Macedonia under it's constitutional name. So no. Bulgaria fought for Macedonia for as long as the people there considered themselves Bulgarian. Now this is no longer the case, so they don't.
Bulgaria was so quick to recognize independent Macedonia, for the following reason - this way Bulgaria guaranteed, that the Serbian army will not attack Macedonia. Bulgaria was ready to engage Serbia in a war, if this happened.
@@BozaCukuranovic3223He made it up just like the majority of Bulgarian history
In our timeline, Bosnia was at the centre and EVERYONE wanted a piece of it hence it had the worst war horrors. In this Bulgarian Yugoslavia it would have been a shared 1st place with Macedonia where Albanians, Greeks, Bulgarians and native Macedonians would fight until the bloody end..
@@PanSerbism Oh man, It's hard living in Bulgaria's shadow, isn't it?
P.S Enjoy your gas prices this winter bro. 🤑
🇷🇸: HI Bulgaria, want to join our union?
🇧🇬: Do I get Macedonia?
🇷🇸: No
🇧🇬: There's your answer
not exactly the bled agreement was singed and it's prosses of destroying bulgarian culture was started in pirin macedonia the comies did't care for the future of the state but reletions between stalin and tito soured and the "goverment" ended it
Bro learned history at mc donalds☠️
Macedonia would go to Bulgaria if yoined even tho N.Macedonia is Serbian land.Leanr history bruh
@user-gc9pw4ch5y what are you saying? Learn English bro. Also Tito didn't want Macedonia to go to Bulgaria because that would give Bulgaria a ton of political power. Did you even watch the video?
@@nightowlmystic9387 I think you overdosed on Serbian propaganda my dude.
@@John_MarstonmIt's neither of your land. It's Macedonian land.
As a Bulgarian myself - this is very much the reason! Also - SO HAPPY YOU ARE DOING SOME VIDEOS ON THIS PART OF THE WORLD!
I love Bulgarians . Mostly women but Bulgarians none the less
Me too, and I'm not a Bulgarian. I'm a Canadian who's always been fascinated by that region for some reason. I still have so much to learn and am very anxious to visit sometime soon.
My daughter spent a month in Bulgaria this past summer. She loved it, but felt it was too hot.
Honestly, it's a shame. If Tito agreed to an equal union and ceding Macedonia (and we successfully escape from under Stalin's nose), the union would have been very successful, all parties would get what they want, brothers would be with brothers, culture preserved, no Stalinism, and we'd essentially become a middle power in Europe. But alas, Tito said no, and if joining Yugoslavia meant not only losing what our ancestors fought for over two centuries, but also loose Bulgaria, its autonomy and its culture, and have it split up for pretty much ever, it's not worth the union and I'm glad this negative variant didn't happen.
Bulgarian music is legit too. Especially the new Future Folk stuff that DJ 89 is doing.
Crazy to think Bulgaria wouldve rather unified with Romania than Yugoslavia
not so much serbs killed alot of people in macedonia
Would have been a better fit. The spiritual successors to the ancient Dacians and Thracians,+ one side of the river predominantly Romanic, the other side predominantly Slavic, but with a long shared and intertwined history. Especially before Romania got that big chunk out of Hungary.
Well, if they had two wars with Yugoslavia, then I understand them.
@suspici0us_catyou seem to have no beef with anyone. That's why I love working with Romanians.
Romanians are the dacians, the bulgarians are new commers who plundered, massacred and replace the original thracian population, which still had an identity up tu their arrival.
As a Serb I can only congratulate Bulgarians on this wise decision.
as a Bulgarian, I am surprised that your politicians did not choose Greater Serbia with Montenegro and half of Bosnia, but they preferred Yugoslavia after ww1
@@ВеличкоКерин I am ashamed of their stupidity
@@ВеличкоКеринit was our stupid kings idea...
To save croats and slovenians, from anexation from austrians or hungarians. Because we were ,,brothers"
@@ИмеПрезиме-л6б Oh yeah the king was such humanitarian, he wanted to save Slovenes and Croats, that's why Rofl
@@shieldshockerwot we saw real faces of croats and slovenes when hitler rolled around didn't we
I really love how you improved your videos not only quality but even the characters drawn, it really shows the progression you made through out the years, so cheers to you mate!
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my teenager wants to de transition but they already had bottom surgery. Help
@@TransKidsMafia dude no one cares
@@TransKidsMafia I've read a fair bit of your comments, and you have a family of at least 30 trans kids in different ages that you're really wanting to talk about?
Next video: why didn’t the whole Central Africa join the Central African Republic?
My toddler came out as trans
This is gonna be the top comment ong
@@TransKidsMafiaomg we don't care about their genitals
Big chungus wholesome 100 Keanu reeves reddit gold minecraft pepe the frog chad soijak moment
No no no, you misunderstand.
Thats why the whole of central africa did not join the CAR@@muwus328
0:37 This depiction of Austria-Hungary is both accurate and gorgeous. Love how you imporved your style.
💯
Just one slight correction perhaps: Bosnia was a jointly governed territory after the annexation, so it would have a third colour scheme or the mix of the two others.
Yeah it's more accurate than that "non-cannon" austro-hungarian flag
Ah, the angels are "rectangels" 😂
One of the rare moments when historical imperial claim and historic identity save a nation from catastrophic outcomes
This might be the first time that I’ve actually thought of a question that became a history matters video
I'm curious about Herzegovina. Why is it seemingly inextricably tied to Bosnia, why is it often elided when talking about B&H as a whole (c.f. the previous video on Poland vs. Poland-Lithuania), and what did it represent historically?
As 1/2 Bosnian Serb : Herzegovina exists more as a geographical region and less as a political entity. Moreover, there is no ethnic majority in Herzegovina - the west is more Croat dominated, the centre has a bit more Muslims/Bosniaks, and the East is predominantly Serbian. Moreover a solid chunk of historical Herzegovina is today in Montenegro, and even there nobody really talks about it as Herzegovina. Historical Herzegovina had a coast which is today mostly in Dalmatia only partly in BiH and Montenegro. Finally, nobody really knows where is the exact border between Bosnia and Herzegovina, it really depends on the person answering the question. It originated as a Duchy - the first guy called himself "herzog" (duke in German if I am not mistaken) of Saint Sava (medieval Serbian saint), and the Turks when they arrived just took the name as an administrative category. Not sure I have answered your questions as in all honesty I am not sure why it is often neglected as an entity - probably practical reasons and the fact that the only ethnicity that adheres to the name of the country are BOSNIAks - and not Herzegovinians.
Herzegovina was formed as separate entity in 15th century, when local lord rebelled against Bosnian king and declared independence. As such, Turks (after conquering both) considered it separate entity, but combined them together for easier governing (as would everyone later). Also, unlike Bosnia, Herzegovina remained mostly Christian (with both catholic and orthodox population). In later years, it became point of nationalistic clashes as Serbs, Croatians and even Montenegrins at one point saw it as rightful part of their territory, while Bosnia and it's Muslim population was used to "tip scales" in favor of one of opposing parties (for example, Muslims were more pro-Serbian in interwar period, while more pro-Croatian during WW2). Today, two regions still remain culturally and religiously divided, as Herzegovina's Christian inhabitants don't consider themselves Bosnian.
And this is short version.
@@BozaCukuranovic3223Hey, shut up! Don't spoil future videos! 😉
It's nothing more than a geographical region. Herzegovina begun as Slavic land, then basically became Bosnia for most of history, the separated into its own duchy, then the two were grouped together, and today that is the case, where they are a single region with a single collective name from the past.
Bosnia and Herzegovina (or BiH for short) is a complicated entity. It is a country of sub-political entities made up of BiH (the region, not to be confused with BiH the entire country), Brčko District and Republika Srpska (not to be confused with the country of Serbia). If you had asked why all these three entities exist, that would have been another question. But if you're asking about "Bosnia and Herzegovina", they are just two names for different parts of the same thing. Notice how the three entities are BiH (Bosnia&Herzegovina), Brčko and Republika Srpska - Bosnia and Herzegovina is a single entity.
If you want to know the exact regions - there isn't - that's why I said the reason is merely Geographic. Bosnia and Herzegovina are the same entity, Bosnia is just the northern part, Herzegovina is the southern part of the same entity. There isn't even a clear border between Bosnia and Herzegovina (in contrast to the somewhat established borders between the actual seperate entities, BiH, Brčko and RepSrpska) The only difference is Bosnia is Bosniak (Bosnian Bosnians/ Bosnian Muslims) majority, whilst Herzegovina doesn't have a clear majority but for the most part it's Croat (Bosnian Croat/ usually Catholics) majority.
Hope I helped :)
I tried to summarise it as much as possible. If it's still hard to get, remember the saying: nobody understands how BiH work, and if you do, you were explained it wrong, haha.
TL;DR
(BiH is short for Bosnia and Herzegovina.)
The country of BiH is made up of three regions:
• BiH (the region)
• Brčko District
• Republika Srpska
BiH the region and BiH the country are made up of two geographic regions:
•Bosnia
•Herzegovina
There is no difference and no border between the two. Bosnia is just the northern part of BiH the country and region, and Herzegovina is the south.
In BiH the region, Bosnia is Bosniak (Bosnian Bosnian/ Bosnian Muslim) majority, whilst Herzegovina has no clear majority, but for the most part it is Croat (Bosnian Croat/ mainly Catholic) majority.
The reason there are two names for a single region is historic, Bosnia was the name of the country, Herzegovina is named after a Duke (Herzeg="duke") who ruled the land before it was ceaded back to Bosnia.
And there were also historical Usora & Soli as Theme of Syrmium and Kingdom of Syrmia of Stefan Dragutin, Unska krajina which was basically part of Croatia most of preOttoman time, Podrinje and Tropolje which was part ancient Dalmatia and "Hungarian" Dalmatia until 1409 and/or similar.
I think the 90s gave the reason why bulgaria never joined yugoslavia
Oh it was more than just the 90's.
1885
you mean 1918 onwards?
@@samusaran13372 somthing like that
Bulgaria has between 20 and 30% higher GDP than Serbia yearly, despite not having more population
“ When the war came, I did bad things, but after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people” Niko Bellic
Niko is the best character in the GTA series
As a Bulgarian i never even thought about it - that's how absurd the whole idea sounds
These are great. I'd love to see some on Canada's (short, colonial history) including the origin of those French-owned islands off the east coast.
Yes, the answer of how many countries there are in North America is four - Mexico, Canada, United States and... France. St Pierre et Miquelon - the last remnants of France in North America. Ah, la gloire de la France
We need a video on the history of Palestinian trans kids
@@cv990a4 Denmark. Greenland counts toward North America. Some including me count the caribbean and central america too
What is there to say? You're just the part of the US that never revolted against the brits. Lulz!!
@@anonymous-hz2un No we just did not find ourselves revolting.
Please do a video on the following subjects:
1. Why did the Revolution of 1848 fail in the German states and Spain?
2. Why do people drive on different sides of the road in different countries?
Why were no Franco-German reconciliation attempts before the 'Great War'?
Good
But did it? (the revolution of 1848 fail in the German states and Spain). Zhou En Lai apparently said about effects of the French Revolution that it was too soon to tell.
#2 was based on the British and such. IIRC, in America it was because often the driver of a wagon was on the left side of the wagon/left rear horse so that they could keep the horses driven with his crackin whip if need be.
Britain put it into a law apparently in 1773.
#2 is genuinely because of Napoleon lmao
Because James Bisonette said "no" and no sane person dares to oppose the almighty power
When James Bisonette says no, you best walk away and never bring up that question again. 😂
Hahahahahahahahahaha
aswell as Kelly Moneymaker - very influential person indeed
I didn't know until today that I was interested in the possibility of Bulgaria joining Yugoslavia.
To be fair it wouldn't have been bad if Tito accepted an equal union and ceded Macedonia to Bulgaria. That way, every party would be happy, and this nation of South Slavs would essentially become a middle power in Europe. But sadly, Tito said no, Bulgaria risked too much, including not only what they fought for over two centuries, but also their autonomy and culture, and Stalin wouldn't have been happy post-Tito split anyway.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 It didn't happen because Stalin forced his Bulgarian puppets to abandon the deal. The Bulgarians already conceded Macedonia as its own separate nation at that point.
@@petergriffin2399 North Macedonia*
Imagine a country containing former Yugoslav countries, Bulgaria and Albania. Might be a civil war speedrun but goddamn it looks good on a map (tried it out in HOI4)
That actually was one of Tito's ambitions - at first Albania got a lot of aid from Yugoslavia after the WW2 in hopes to achieve unification.
He also helped Greek partisans in order to get the real Greek Macedonia into Yugoslavia and extend it to Aegean sea.
He wanted to take Trieste also (an important port in Adriatic) - but the Brits said NO.
Bulgaria was a long shot but that would look impressive on a map for sure.
Adriatic, Black and Aegean sea under one country for the first time since the Roman/Byzantine empire.
Hey, fun fact, when Battle for the Bosphorus came out, I played as Yugoslavia and divided the kingdom but Bulgaria attacked me. After winning I just puppeted it and then reunify the kingdom, what was my surpise when I annexed Bulgaria and core it, amazing
@@mjock392"real greek Macedonia" 😂😂😂😂
Albania is not a Yugoslav country
@@Govnar658 Colonialism
I love how much importent stuff you put in a small amount of time
I always was a bit curious about why Bulgaria never sought to surpass the old Bulgarian Empire via Yugoslavism. 🤔
They couldn’t
😂😂
Unofficially, you could say that Yugoslavia was a serbian empire.
@@StrelecaTV the Kingdom maybe, the Socialist Yugoslavia definitely not.
Because Bulgaria + Yugoslavia was smaller then Bulgarian empire😀
Very cool video!
I never expected second video for Bulgaria 😮 My country 🥰
Watching you and love from Bulgaria 🇧🇬😉
Second video about Bulgaria. An honor. Thank you sir!
Thanks!
Wow another vid on Bulgaria so soon. Awesome!
Bulgaria really dogged a bullet or six on this one
Did History Matters not already do a video on this topic?
I think James Bissonette has absorbed all my memories of other history UA-cam channels.
Perhaps you are thinking of Knowledgia? Although much longer their video was much worse missing stuff like the different views Tito and Dimitrov had on the unification. It also had very bad pronunciations on some words like "croats".
Hahahahahahahahahaha
Yugoslavia popping into the world with sound of a champagne bottle being open fits so well. Much like the USSR collapse being the sound of broken glass. This guy is a pro subtle comedic sounds
Why's the champagne sound fitting?
wow ... finaly .. a good video on the subject. thank you.
Serbia: "Just because you're part of Yugoslavia doesn't mean Macedonia is yours now."
Bulgaria: "It also doesn't mean it's not ours."
In SFRJ, Macedonia was peer to Serbia, Serbia had no say in whose Macedonia was - it was its own, and has been its own ever since.If Macedonia wanted to be a Bulgarian province, it would have became one. My impression is that Macedonians love their liberty more than they love brotherhood with any would-be brother. But, now they have to open their hearts to brotherhood with Albanians, who aren't great brothers with anyone but Albanians.
@@salec7592 I'm a Macedonian, and I'll say the following. Throughout history we've always being told that we're something else. Serbs call us "South Serbs with speech impairment", Bulgarians call us "Western Bulgarians" or "Bulgarians from Macedonia", Greeks call us "Macedonian Greeks who got mixed with Slavs" and so on. So after centuries being divided and being called something else, we had to rise up and speak up about what we are. And we did, but our lovely neighbors shouted louder than us with their views. That's why to this day I cannot call myself Macedonian online without some prick from our lovely neighbors shouting that I'm something else.
As for the Albanians, that's partially our fault and the USA that got us to Albanianize the western parts.
@@Dac_DT_MKD As an outside observer, it seems like many of the post-Yugoslavia disputes are because one group thinks that another group isn't a real group but rather a subset of their own group. And the fact that the latter group thinks they are distinct should be proof enough that they are in fact distinct, in my view
@@Dac_DT_MKD Hehe Serbs with Speech Impairment. If you're used to Serbo-Croatian (particularly, ekavski) then yeah, it does sound a bit like that. Some Serbs went to Russia in the 2000's and Russians would hear them speak, and make the same comment -- "Wow it's just like Russian but it sounds like they're disabled"
@@Dac_DT_MKD You are delusional Bulgarian. Macedonian nationality was a regional identity until 1945 when it became ''ethnical.'' Ask your grandpa's Ottoman documents if he is alive and keeps them.
I was waiting for this! Thank you history matters!
Growing up in the US I forget how complicated Europe’s smaller territories history is
Yes😂
Yeah here it’s just kind of “yeah so the US bulldozed their way through getting these lands either by buying them or by killing everybody else who lived there, sometimes both”
As Balkan person, can confirm lol
Somehow even tho most Americans neither know or care about Central & Eastern Europe that doesn't stop our State Department from embroiling us in their affairs
Oh yea, they are the real boss that moves things geopoliticaly, the eu doesnt have that power.
Love your videos, always answering interesting questions that I hadn't thought of before. Keep up the great work.
Maybe it would be interesting to have a video about how Kingdom of Yugoslavia came to be? More concretly, how come all these different people accepted one king and who was he?
Serbia was an independent kingdom (with it's own, Serbian kiing) for 50ish years by that point, after Balkan wars 1912-13 it grew and included Macedonia, and there were a lot of Serbs living in Austo-Hungaran Empire. Also, other South Slavic nations (or their representatives) thought that it's better to unite with Sebria, because the usual things nations unite: defense (more people to defend each other in case of a war) and commerce (a lot of goods in bigger country you don't need to pay import tax).
As a Bulgarian, wisest decision our country has made so far.
Edit- tf are these replies.
We did not want you ...
@@patrickpatrick-tx8upif it makes you sleep better at night
@@BgAltair Just facts. Serbia was ruling Yugoslavia and Serbians do not like Bulgarians
@patrickpatrick-tx8up that is stupid to say when president Tito was Croati and Slovene
@@aurelije Serbia found Yugoslavia before Tito came in power. Belgrade was capitol city and Tito lived there ... Yugoslavia was fine until Serbians wanted Yugoslavia then in 1980s they did not wanted Yugoslavia but Greater Serbia and Yugoslavia collapsed
Can we get a followup on why Bulgaria didn’t invade after Tito’s fallout with the Bloc?
because that would triggered ww3
@@PeraRambo Would it?
@@Toonrick12 not necessarily but as a neutral country in the middle of the two blocs had a war broken out there it would have certainly destabilized relations between the us and the ussr like in every other conflict during the cold war
Because Yugoslavia had strong military after WW2 (they did liberated them selfs) that was not solely depended on USSR (it played with both sides of the cold war) and Bulagarians had no military to speak off since they were Soviet puppets by then.
@@madkoala2130 Bulgaria did have a military you're right it was inferior to Yugoslavia's. You're also right in a way though that because Bulgaria were part of the Warsaw Pact communist bloc basically a state subservient to the USSR they didn't have any independent authority and had they acted in this way (which they couldn't have anyway because they didn't have a strong enough military) it would have been suicide on two fronts. Firstly military defeat and probably losing more land to Yugoslavia and secondly it would have angered Moscow who would have imposed a leader more suited to doing what they were told, which was basically your own country (with an iron fist under communism) and nothing more.
I love how insanely apart Belgrade and Sofia imagined the Union - Belgrade with a complete carving of Bulgaria, Bulgaria with becoming the dominant partner immediately. Match made in heaven!
Holy cow the new visuals look fantastic
Love the new style and never been so excuted to see a history vid!
If Yugoslavia and Bulgaria had ever united, they would have become a real powerhouse in the Balkans and Southeastern Europe, hard to be triffled with. With access to both the Black and the Adriatic Seas, controlling most of the southern bank of Danube river and a powerful military, the united state would have been at least a regional power.
And if Bulgaria didn't lose the coast of Aegian sea it will be even more but again that is just dreams. Even the most powerful empires had collapsed at some point.
It was stupid idea.
I dont hate anyone,but Bulgaria is more close mentality like Turks and Gypsis..
It was about 200 years behind Yugoslavia.
They was part of Ottoman empire more than Serbia and other part of Yugoslavia,after was Soviet puppies..
Yugoslavias economy and also politic cant compare with Bulgaria..
Its compare like golf and mercedes..
Yugoslavia wasnt survive,but was that time on right way to became something strong in future..
@@magicjohnson8597 You are only saying this because you are Yugonostalgic.
@@HeroManNick132 Maybe,on some way.
But also I meet Bulgarians and Romanians,its other mentality..
Also Yugoslavia wasnt be stronger with Bulgarians,just one more problem.
They hate Macedonians and always want to put them on their influence..
About 40%of Bulgarians are very dark skin,looks like Gypsis,or mixed with them..
I am not racist or hater,just about historicly I will repeat,they are more behind..
@@magicjohnson8597 SVE NAJBOLJE ! ! Tatjana od MAKEDONIJA
This is a question I’ve been asking myself for awhile actually. As well as why it was offered.
This is actually a question I made myself numerous times, particulary for the communism era, so I'm grateful for the video. Reasons given are no minor, but it's incredible how leaders, historically, let such reasons win instead to fight for a major cause (for example, winning influence over a greater country).
It's a point of view I suppose. The greater goal for Bulgarians was to remain unified, as our moto says "Unity makes strength" (or something similar. Translation is a nightmare for this one). The unification with Yugoslavia would have divided Bulgaria, and every war so far was fought to unite it. Not to mention the separation of Macedonia was a big NO for the people in the capital, where the vast majority of the population was macedonian. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if the "bigger picture" does not align with "the end goal", its probably not the "bigger picture" ✌️😅
“As Austro-Hungary was falling apart the Slavic regions broke free and declared the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes”
I mean, apart from the fact that the regions were given to Serbia by the victorious Allied powers as compensation for their war damages, that most Croats and Slovenes didn’t want to be part of what was essentially greater Serbia (hence sparking a resistance movement), and that the corfu declaration was made well before the war ended - other than that this is a totally true statement.
If we roll back to the time before bulgaria was liberated there was support for a unified serbo bulgarian kingdom.
Lyuben Karavelov being one of the main supporters of the idea. From there a bigger yugoslav kingdom could be created. However the great powers would never allow a strong south slavic state to exist.
Honestly if Serbia and Bulgaria were both in Yugoslavia it would still exist today.
Because we are both stubborn nations beyond reason.
And we could have garrisoned Bulgarians in Croatia and Slovenia because i just know Bulgarians would do at least seven genocides the first time a Croat smashes a Cyrillic board and calls it "Hyerogliph" or God forbid does something to a Orthodox Church.
@@VojislavMoranic Is it true Serbians call Croatians švabi
@@kennymccormick2558 No we call them "Jos dva piva ovde momak."
@@VojislavMoranic Pije mi se, pije mi se da zaboravim pije mi se, prijatelju da je prebolim. Pije mi se, ja cu piti dok ne ostarim.
@@VojislavMoranic
Problem is Serbia and Bulgaria hated each other.
Dont know why but Serbia was hellbent on destroying Bulgaria.
It got to the point where they comitted ethnic cleansing against bulgarians and then during ww2 bulgarians returned the favour. Afther that point there was no unification.
Well TIL about the Bled Agreement. Always fun to hear about new, old failed attempts at international unification
As often: Nobody wanted to be the second-most powerful guy. :)
@@dabbasw31 Slovakia seemed to have been ok with it for a while.
Живела Юблслъгарията !
Whenever two nations look like they’re about to unify, thing’s always seem to go south once the issue of which of them is going to be in charge comes up.
1:14 Is it just me, or does HM’s redesign of Hitler look more emo?
I love this channel, thank you so much for the video!!!
LOL - I love this guy's treaty summaries in this and other videos.
Tito also put up propaganda that (North) Macedonia was directly tied to Alexander the Great and NOT Bulgaria. Despite the fact that Macedonian and Bulgarian are basically the same language, though they may have diverged since then.
thats like saying people from gambia are the same as the people from UK because they both speak enlighs, genetically macedonians are tied to ancient ethnicities that lived in the region of macedonia but bulgarians more to the Tatars in russia. Bulgaria are tied closer to turks and islamic russian ethnicities than to macedonia
The Macedonian nation was created on the basis of anti-Bulgarian ideology by the Serbian state under the tutelage of Russia.
There is a god who is watching, Kosovo is no longer Serbia, Ukraine is no longer Russia, just as they split off Macedonia from mother Bulgaria. Sooner or later the day of reckoning will come.
@@MacedonianChristian These fictions about the genetics of Bulgarians are written only in the fictional textbooks of North Macedonia. How many real genetic studies of today's Bulgarians have you seen? I suspect not at all. And how many Bulgarians with mongoloid facial features have you met? And how many Bulgarians with mongoloid facial features have you met? Genetic studies prove that 83.5% of today's Bulgarians have the genes of the first Neolithic farmers who inhabited the Balkan Peninsula 4900-5500 BC. I suspect that if you end up in a Bulgarian city without knowing which country you are in and without hearing what language the people speak, you will hardly find a difference between them and those in your native Macedonia.
@@MacedonianChristian Utter nonsense, show me this genetic survey that you are referring to. You can’t because there isn’t one that shows this. My grandmother is from Strumica born in 1903. Not a single person ever considered themselves anything but Bulgarian back then. Language is the same, names are the same, customs the same, religion the same. And don’t forget that in 680 khan Kuber settled in today’s North Macedonia, in the region around Prilep. This is well documented because of the subsequent unsuccessful attacks on Thessaloniki. Ohrid, Prespa and Skopje used to be Bulgarian capitals. These are historical facts that can’t be falsified unlike the claim that you are all ancestors of Alexander the Macedonian who was Hellenistic of nature. It’s like saying Bulgarians are Thracians! Exactly the same thing. Although some Thracians would have been around when Bulgars and Slavs started settling that does not make us Thracians. Even though Bulgaria was founded in 681, Bulgars had been attacking the Balkans and sometimes even fighting alongside the Byzantines from 480. And for reference the Bulgars come from a region between the Caucasus and Azov Sea. Do I need to mention the numerous attacks by Huns, Avars, Pechenegs, Magyars, Ottomans and etc. All of this leaves a trace in the bloodline. We are mixed, there is no such thing as a pure nation! But I guess Serb Propaganda for 80 years has brainwashed you before recognition.
@@bozho777 my great grandpa born in 1883 completely contradicts EVERYTHING you said.
Wow, I'm on my way now to Bulgaria from Greece on holidays. And this drops!
Ce faci bre ?
If you have the time, stop in Macedonia to see our beauties.
@@Dac_DT_MKD thank you kindly. I hope I will soon
@@Dac_DT_MKD He already visited it, no need to visit it twice.
@@HeroManNick132 Boo, lame joke, boo. Get of the stage, booo!
2:02 We are a step closer to answering the question: "Why does North Macedonia exists?"
Average Balkan Nationalist
Because it entertains the whole Balkans... The archeological finds there are with Greek scripts, they speak Bulgarian with 20 Serbian expressions, but they claim they are the holy creators of the region (and the world?)
Didn't expect to see more detail in the drawing
Another amazing video
The introduction this time didn't include the iconic "Why?".
Which begs the question.
1:29 the terms of the Bled agreement are a fascinating historical revelation. Да живела Јубълслагаријя!
Honestly, pretty well made video. Only complaints I have are the maps I guess as the map of the Medieval Bulgarian Empire is pretty far from accurate. And the map of what was said that Bulgaria claimed was sorta inaccurate too. But otherwise the info was downright accurate. The reason the Bulgarians chose not to join the Yugoslavian nation was precisely because the Slavic identity was not the main one of the Bulgarians and not really all that popular. It was one element of the wider Bulgarian ethnos where we see ourselves as sorta more unique than the other Slavs.
Do we? That's honestly news to me. Most Bulgarians see our country as a union of the Bulgars and Slavs and both are looked on as equally important. Maybe in the Soviet era it was different, although that would be surprising as the USSR was pushing a lot of Slavic supremacism
If we were Slavs the Nazis would have wiped us out! Bulgarians are Aryans.
@@PNest1994 We overall identify as Bulgarians still while acknowledging the Slavic identity. It takes a backseat in a way.
Although yes, we are a union of Slavs and Bulgars (Not Bulgarians).
Should also be pointed out that the Soviets did put heavier emphasis on the Slavic part of the Bulgarians too so, there's that.
@@rawka_7929 I can see that, but honestly most Serbs and Croats I know don't see themselves as Slavic. I think Zizek has a great quote I'm not going to look up that goes "Every easter European says the Balkan and the Slavs are just east of their border" I think a lot of Slavs are ashamed to be called Slavs so they select a different identity to protect themselves from our sad, sad history.
@@PNest1994 However, it's harder for the Serbs to deny they're Slavs and same with the Croatians. Thus with them only the delusional nationalists do. As for us? We are Slavic but we are also a mix of other people's aswell.
Thanks Bro, for uploading another video
Your videos are literally one of very few things that I’ll stop everything I’m doing just so I can watch. Also thank you for answering a question I’ve always had but never got around to look up
Ти не си ли българин от Вардарско?
0:02 AAAAAAAA THE BORDERS OF STATE OF SLOVENES, CROATS AND SERBS IS SO BEAUTIFUL AAAAAAA I wish it managed to stay independent or at least leave Yugoslavia/Serbia after WW2.
bro took crack right before watching this video
Funnily enough, despite it not being a Slavic country, Albania was more likely to be a part of Yugoslavia than Bulgaria.
Not even close, Albanians never wanted to join Yugoslavia. The Kosovo Albanians were trapped in Yugoslavia against their will.
“Slavic pan-nationalism? Idk, that’s kinda cringe, bro. We’re all about Bulgaria #1 over here.”
What war did you even win since 1914?
@@AnarchistPole WW2
@@Longshanks1690 Chad bulgarian reply lmao
@@Longshanks1690 That was the single most fantastic reply ever, because you did win WW2, got more territory.
New video and new quality, i like it.
Great video as always 👍🏻
I cogratulate Bulgaria from staying out of the Jugochujvia mess.
For real what good does it take when a country cannot even outlast the 20th century when the rise of nationalism erupted on every part of the world? The more ancient Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth lasted for 2 centuries before being partitioned by foreign power but Jugochujvia doesn't need one the beginning, the internal fight among themselves is more devastating then partitions by foreign power
Yugoslav idea originated in the Habsburg empire by mostly Croatian intelligentsia. As such, it was foreign to Bulgarian national movement. The language is also different enough not to feel close. Both Serbs and Bulgarians had strong medieval states (and both had empires, though Serbs had it for a short while). None of this applied to other South Slavs - most of them were absorbed early by either the Venetians or Hungarians. Therefore it was more difficult to "sell"the idea to Bulgarians. Now, why was it sold so easily to the Serbian intellectuals is, as a Serb myself - beyond me.
Due to same reason as why Pan-Turkism was easily spread amongst the Ottoman Turks despite most of the idea originating from Tatars of Russia rather than Turks of Ottoman empire. It gave them a tool to justify their control over the other people. Which were other Turkic people like Azeris in Ottomans case and remaining South Slavs in Serbia's case.
@@simulacrumpilot2777 makes no sense as there are new nations where once were Serbs but no new nations originating from Croats or Slovenes ie serbs are obvious net losers from Yugoslavia
James Bisonette was Bulgarian time traveller.
This one goes to the list of things I never asked before but I definitely find interesting to hear the answer to it
Thank you for covering this, love from Belgrade!
"Why didn't Jerry join Tom?"
Can you do a video about when people realized that FDR was paralyzed? And another one about the orthodox and catholic split? I actually have wondered about these things for a while and even I have the power to look them up, I know I'd love a video from you more
I'd like to see a video on the Great Scism of the church, too. I'm not religious, but that period of history is very interesting
TL;DW: Bulgarians have a strong sense of national identity.
Well, we kept it alive for 500 years of Ottoman rule, we weren't going to let it go for a union like the proposed one, for sure.
Thanks for accepting my idea, I’m shocked that you saw it, but thank you and great video! 😁
Great output over a longish period of time 👍😏
This might be a stupid question, but I still wanted to ask: How did the leaders of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, came to see the proposed unification so differently? One side breaking up as opposed to annexing some land seems to me like some misunderstanding that is very hard to get to.
Each side wanted to get the better deal.
Bulgarians wanted to get what they thought is theirs, Tito wanted to break up the Bulgarian nation and make it easier to control. Thankfully they never joined because after the disollution of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria would be several small nations in between Romania, Greece and Turkey, which would be easy for the picking and spark more Balkan wars.
Serbs were jealous that Bulgaria was much bigger in size so that's why they wanted to split it because Bulgaria would be the biggest republic and outnumbering the Serbs.
If Yugoslavia was proposed to be owned by Sofia then it would work but again Serbs would never want Bulgarians to rule them and vise-versa.
Also because Bulgaria is much older than Serbia.
Serbia whanted to destroy Bulgaria honestly.
Not sure why and when this happened but the politics of Serbia at the time where very anti Bulgaria.
If you go and ask a serb in thouse times if they can delete Bulgaria and every bulgarian off the world they woud gladly accept.
@@stefankatsarov5806 Сърбите също така крадяха неща, като шопската салата и торлашките диалекти, които ги смятаха за чисти сръбски, като не е така.
Според тях шопите и торлаците са сърби, като това не е вярно! Ала сръбският шовинизъм няма край!
This is a mafia style deal! you would join us but you'll also be broken up into 3 pieces and also at the same time you lose part of your territory permanently.
It's not surprising why the Bulgarians refused to join, isn't it?
When you used to be an empire you can see the imperialist schemes of others from millions of kilometers away.
They should've accepted it. It would've benefited us Macedonians to reunite with our Macedonian brothers from Pirin.
@@Dac_DT_MKDnorth macedonians are bulgarians
A small part of this video, but the scene with Austria-Hungary and Karl I yet again brought me very warm feelings
Also, I love how you included the Italian enclave of Zara/Zadar on Yugoslav map in 0:21
Interesting content. Thank you.
Whoa! Briliant summary.
Can you please make a video on Greece and North Macedonia? There was extensive reference of (North) Macedonia in this video, but Greece has always had an issue of the usage of the name and symbols of Macedonia with claims that those are of greek origin while the Republic of North Macedonia is primarily slav. Your videos on Greece and Cyprus were very informative for someone who is greek cypriot.
The extensive usage of the name Macedonia is because the country is named Macedonia. More precisely, the country that is referenced in this video at the time was named S.R. Macedonia or Socialist Republic of Macedonia.
Ah, yes, please make a very unbiased, factual video about topics that appease each and every greek nationalist wet dream possible, such as how the entire world is actually greek, or how the andromedans are actually of greek origins, it's even in their name you see!
Long story short:
Tito was helping Greek partisans after WW2 and was hoping to incorporate the real Macedonia into Yugoslavia once they overthrow the King (allegedly, that was to be the compensation for his support, so he had to make some excuse for "bringing all Macedonians to one state" and into Yugoslavia). Stalin said NO - Tito said YES, Stalin and the West said NO, and that was final. Even though that plan failed, the cultural indoctrination of people in that Yugoslav region was doubled down on, to make Yugoslavia more diverse (if they weren't South Serbians, they would be considered Bulgarians - and for Yugoslavia to work, both were a huge NO).
People in that region were never considered Macedonians or was the name ever used until after the WW2 - on Tito's instructions to create another ethnicity (like the Montenegrin and Bosnian ones) to keep Yugoslavia carved in more or less equally influential republics so that none can overtake the power from him.
It's ironic that the whole Partisan movement in Yugoslavia sought to end nationalistic tensions during the WW2, but afterwards the then socialist/communist government just kept them suspended only to erupt in a much more horrible manner after Tito's death...
@@mjock392 Its very obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
@@mjock392 boy oh boy are you wrong we have called ourselves Macedonia for a long time but during the ottoman times the term Macedonia wasn't used much until the 1800s when it was revived then after the revival of the name we called ourselves Macedonia and Macedonians because we lived on the territory of Macedonia you have to be delusional to say that we didn't use the term Macedonia before the Communists or that we called ourselves as you guys say "Vardaskan" to that im gonna give you some quotes from people who traveled to Macedonia during that time period when our administrative name was Vardarska Makedonija:
Alexandroff also stated that, if only his demands were granted,
the Macedonians would lay down their arms and recognize the
Serbian Kingdom, subject, of course, to it being reconstructed as
a Federal State in which Macedonia would enter on equal rights
with the other members of the Yugoslav Federation
Dudley Heathcote, My Wanderings in the Balkans,1925
The inhabitants here [Aegean Macedonia] are no more Serb
than the Macedonians of Serbia - they speak Macedonian, and
they call themselves Macedonians.
-Oliver C. Harvey, 1926
Hearing the Bulgarian proposal: "Thats a bit bold, Yugoslavia would never accept that.."
Yugoslav proposal: "Can you cease to exist, pretty please with sugar on top?"
Serbians hated Bulagia, a lot and i mean alot even did soem ethnic cleasings.
There is still bad blood till this day.
Also noone of their neighbors likes Serbia for the same reasons.
This has to be the best and accurate simplification I have seen so far!
I'm gonna quote you ✌️😂
0:55 Irredentism is still insane for Bulgarians nowadays. Don't know what propaganda they are being taught there but there is always a few Bulgarians on any related Romanian video that claims the whole of Romania belongs to them and that we always spoke old slavonic only because some "empire" from the dark ages with almost 0 sources claimed some lands here. Really annoying.
Nationalists exist everywhere.
No bulgarian wants any “romanian” land except dobruja lmao
@@mitk1...but you write about places that you always were minorities
Can't believe i forgot about this s tier channel yo
Fascinating!
Thank god we didn’t end up joining. I already have people from the west visiting asking “did Bulgaria fight in the Yugoslav wars?” when they look at the state of our streets :D
*"Thank God", because "god" refers to an idol or the devil in English.
Possible Video suggestion: Why did the Korean Empire fail?
I don't think it was an Empire as it was a kingdom at most.
Funny how on the map at 2:27 both countries use red for the territory of Macedonia. So it's kinda hard to see what country it's part of. Coincidence?
I have slovene blood, and had never heard of this. Thank you.
Another slapper video :)
Do a video of when Spain almost sent another blue division against japan
Next video: What was India's response to the Soviet-Afghan war?
Do you suddenly feel like driving a 1980s Yugo car?
As a Bulgarian - no, thanks, I'll drive my Toyota 😅
@@plamenpetrov2014 Bulging to the Jap. Lol 🤣 hahahaha
3 back to back balkan videos. Pretty cool.
Maybe this is the first time that history matters answers a question that I asked a lot of times
My conscience is clear, I am in favor of reconciliation between Serbs and Bulgarians!
Didn't they already reconcile, basically? I never heard anything about the tensions between those two after all the stuff in the video.
ye i think we're cool at this point
@@StivKobrayup, mostly just bickering on the internet, as opposed to actual animosity.
@@dimitarvasilev5787 Pretty much. Classic keyboard warriors, it's expected.
@@StivKobra “But Vucic said our MacDonalds was trash, and that Serbia had the best one in the Balkans!”
Next:
Why isnt Brazil a rich powerful nation like USA
Insulting! Brazil is the country of the future and has been so for the past 50 years!
Probably because most of their economy is based around resource extraction rather than industrial production.
Does anyone have any books to recommend on the history of South Eastern Europe? Besides South America, I have the least amount of knowledge on that region that I'm very interested in learning about.
I am curious too, commenting so I can get replies too! If nobody gives, I can try summarise the parts I know. Just remember, Balkans are very interesting but very complicated and controversial. Where are you from btw?
@@cerebrummaximus3762 The US, and I don't care about any controversy; whatever they may be.
Whatever you do, just dont read anything written by local authors.
@@anonymous-hz2un Or anything from foreigners. The logic quickly falls flat
@@cerebrummaximus3762 huh??
I had _no_ idea that I didn't know any of those things. Who knew? Thumb-so-big-that-it-looks-like-it-was-hit-by-a-hammer thumbs-up. History Matters delivers.
Thanks, sir. ✌️