Independent Macedonia (1944) - The German Puppet State to Withdraw From...
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2022
- The German occupation of Yugoslav Macedonia started as soon as the Bulgarian occupation ended when in September 1944 Bulgaria switched sides. The Germans now installed a puppet government named: Independent Macedonia. The hoped for the help of Ivan Mikhailov and his movement: IMRO (Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization). Earlier the Anti-fascist Assembly for the National Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM) proclaimed an independent Macedonian state. Eventually, the Yugoslav partisans took over the country.
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- War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945. Occupation and Collaboration (Jozo Tomasevich).
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✅ 🇧🇷 Obrigado, Stefan!
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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@@makedon5575 Be more tolerant, Makedon. Guide him, but please, avoid attacks ad hominem. He does not have bad intentions towards neither 'northerns' nor 'southerns' folks. Not all understand the idiosyncrasies of every inhabitants. You could have been born meters away in the other side of the border, and blame Stefan for naming you as "macedonian", or "greek", or "serbian". Obrigado 🇧🇷!
Not bad but still some errors ...
a. it's a widespread myth that Skopje is part of the "region of Macedonia". Communists promoted this claim as a proxy to claim actual Macedonia, located in Greece, is part of a "divided' and "occupied' Macedonia. No such "region of Macedonia" has ever existed in history until 20th century.. Alexander's homeland is literally 100 percent Greece. Skopje was known as kingdom of Paeonia in antiquity (which Philip conquered). Later Skopje was also part of Roman Macedonia but that wasn't Alexander's homeland not did it have the borders many erroneous claims as "region of Macedonia" today. There was also a Greek-speaking eastern Roman (Byzantine) Macedonia located in Thrace but even that isn't part of the so-called "region of Macedonia'
b. This video makes a major error by claiming the Bulgarians "Bulgarianized". The former Yugoslvians living in Vardar already considered themselves Bulgarians. That' exactly why they saw Bulgarians as liberators (why Bulgaria also objects to their historical propaganda like Greece does). It was actually Yugoslav communists that "Macedonianized" as a method to eliminate Bulgarian irredentism. Loring Danforth mentions this but even he fails to appreciate they literally considered themselve Bulgarian "Macedonians" back then. This is exactly why the US government not only refused to recognize them as "macedonians" during the greek civil war but provided Greeks the weapons to fight communists promoting this exact "Macedonia" agenda.
c. You are correct that IMRO was a Bulgarian organization but it's worth noting the former Yugoslavians claim IMRO was a "macedonian" organization. Virtually the entire country (with exceptions) edit out their own national heroes used to self-identify as ethnic Bulgarians.
Prior to 1944 Skopje was not called "Maceodnia" by Yugoslav communists. It was called Vardar (which is the name listed on maps from that era). After 1944 is when they created the "People's Socialist Republic of Macedonia" and wiped out Bulgarian identity in Yugoslavia for purely a "Macedonian" one.
Today, Around half the former Yugoslavia now claim not to even be Slavs, but ancient Macedonians... aka founders of the Hellenistic period but ones that are antihellenic.
It's unfortunate so many, including some academics, journalists, politicians and even shockingly human rights groups that pretentiously lectured Greeks on this issue today, unethically, evade over this obvious lying and irredentism. Many of those that lectured Greeks on this issue. eem more interested in hiding their mistake of recognizing these frauds as "macedonians" than the ethics and history they claimed to speak for.. The fact is the former Yugoslavians are about as "Macedonians" as they are "Athenians" or "Spartans'. Zero. It's a gigantic lie.
Despite all the patronizing foreign bigots that ridiculously recognized them and today patronizing evade over their behavior, this fake country and fake ethnic group is destined to implode under the weight of the lies it peddles .Ancient Macedonian artifacts, all written in Greek aren't going anywhere. Nor are the references to their own "Macedonian" historical figures referencing themselves as Bulgarians.
I never even knew this Stefan! Thanks for making another great video! 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Cheers!
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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Great research and presentation. You always shine the spotlight on these fascinating but little known episodes of history.
Thanks!
Thank you for making this video. I used to ask my grandmother about our country in WW2 but she didn't tell much details. Great video.🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Thanks!
Please check our good History books, lots to learn.
@@gocestojanovski3723 Жалък си
Nazi
As small correction, 3:45 Mihailov didn't go to Italy in 1934 but to Turkey from 1934-1938 then to Poland till 1940 then for a short time in Hungary and only after that did he go to Croatia. After the end of the war he spend the rest of his life in Italy.
Thanks for sharing.
Love these videos! Your last one on the Independent State of Croatia was awesome. Excellent subject matter that isn't usually covered.
Thank you for the content! And ik hoop dat je een fantastische dag hebt.
Geweldig om te lezen. Thank you very much!
AMAZING you know all this stuff. I love history. I had NO idea this happened. Great stuff. Great channel. GREATER TEACHER! Wish I had this guy for my history teacher.
Many thanks 😁
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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Obscure yet awesome history! Thank you
Thanks for watching.
Another SUPERB production, Stefan, fresh on location from the locale itself. I know of no other UA-cam historian who puts SO much work into their productions. None.
Awesome to read Matthew, many thanks!
Hey Stephon, I just wanted to say thank you for all of the work and research you do. Stuff like this really shines a light on events wholly neglected by popular history. Please keep it up for it really does expand the context and scope of the war in ways I, and doubtless others who watch your content.
Many thanks for your reply. Hope you keep enjoying the content.
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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Easily one of my favorite history youtubers
😁👍
so so accurate. well done my friend.
Thank you.
Well done Stefan.Very interesting piece about a little discussed country. It's very difficult to have peace in the Balkans with so many different ethnic groups living in close proximity
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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Thanks Aidan.
Well, consider that some of them are not ethnic groups. For example, you probably think that us Montenegrians are ethnic group, but we are Serbs in fact. Bosniaks are just muslim Serbs and Croats. Macedonians are either Serbs of Bulgarians. So there's really not that much ethnic groups, just too many countries.
@@user-np8zl4hy6u HOW WRONG YOU ARE, THE LANGUAGE YOU SPEAK IS MACEDONIAN YOU MORON. WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT TO CALL AU MACEDONIANS SURBS OR BULGARIANS...VIE STE KOTLARI....
@@gocestojanovski3723 🤣🤣🤣 The language I speak was established by Vuk Karadzic. The base for that language is Herzegovinian dialect, nothing to do with Macedonia. What is nowadays called "macedonian" language, is just a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian.
Thanks!
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Another excellent and very informative video.
You are becoming very skilled in avoiding all the ''wrong'' words that would trigger discussions irrelevant to this video's topic.
Thanks for replying.
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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Excellent historical coverage video about Macedonian political issue during WW2..exactly at 1944.... best wishes with respect 🙏 for you Sir Stefan & History Hustle channel
Many thanks again for your reply.
Never heard of this! Interesting
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Nice and pretty accurate,but I would like to continue analyzing the present situation of Macedonia from the period of independence up to present days, thanks in advance 🍀❤️
Thanks for replying.
Ти си българин
Stefan, great content ❤love your channel. Have a wonderful week ahead ✌️👍
Many thanks Jesse!
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
MAKEDONIA TIEMLESS
Wow, interesting! I've never heard about this history of my country!
Thanks! You already seen my North Macedonia in WW2 video?
ua-cam.com/video/ffOKKlbmsbY/v-deo.html
Interesting 👌
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You should make a video dedicated to the Inner Macedonian Revolutionary Organization in the Ottoman Empire. Regardless if you do this or not, keep up the good work 🇲🇰♥️
theres a video iff ivan mihailov an interview, he says how his biggest regret was to not free macedonia and reunite it with bulgaria
Very interesting, as always.
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The Bulgarian government was only reversing the process that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had started - Serbianization and colonization. That's why Serbs and Montenegrins were expelled.
Make video about Principality of Pindus
Not anytime soon.
Strange statement that a Bulgarian was pro-Bulgarian oriented?!?!?! And what do you think it is?
That was their base.
Good vid
Thanks 👍
This is actually interesting. I have never heard of an Independent Macedonia During WW2.
Great to read.
That was so good! I know you tend to do more historical stuff, but there isn't a lot of information out about how Macedonia peacefully left Yugoslavia & the brief Albanian insurgency following the war on Kosovo. Could be interesting
Perhaps one day in the future 👍
Great video again, Stefan. "Short lived", and I thought the British had a talent for understatement. LoL. You never fail to educate and entertain. Well done. Cheers from Tennessee.
Non of this is true.Macedonian Army fought the Germans and established modern Macedonian Republic.After the war in 1945.Macedonian State fought the Soviets and British - USA backed up with air force.Macedonian state was devided in to British Aegean Macedonia after 3 years of war and napalm bombs. Pirin Macedonia Under Soviet Occupation, and Vardar Macedonia as Yugoslav Federal republic .At the time in 1948-49 Yugoslavia federation switched sides and became Neutral .And USA backed up with Marshall plan and weapons supply.The Macedonian republic remained existing only in Vardar part .Newly Srbija was made in 1947 on previously occupied Macedonian Territory called Matea till 1878 and Russian colonial occupation.Soviet Occupied zone of Macedonia Eastern Matea Trace Odrin and Pirin was incorporated as Soviet Satellite Bulgaria previous Russian colony 1878 and Austrian German 1914-1918 and 1934-1944.Greece was Russian colony partly British and French in 19 the cent but became British in 1912 and partly Italian German 1939-1944.In 1945 Britain invaded and recolonised in 1948.The Territory before the Russian colonial invasion was known as Macedonian Ahaia.
@@starsajlonjim9598 Friend, Stefan's a Dutch teacher. If you think his information is incorrect or wrong, please respond to him not me. I'm a viewer and I said I was entertained by his video. In other words, I don't fit a rat's backside. Cheers.
@@Hillbilly001 Maybe he can brainwash the Dutch kids at school but not the rest of the world.Do a research try to find artifacts with words Greece Srbija Bulgaria Slavia.See it yourself they never existed. It's good for you to know the truth.Macedonian Army was anty Nazi and anty fascist,Macedonian modern state was made in 1943 while whole Europe was occupied and didn't existed.Germany was withdrawing from Africa in 1944 and it's army needed a safe passage.They tried to offer military protection to the Macedonian State but under Nazi rule .That was unacceptable and Macedonian army refused it and fought bravely till they defeated the Germans.They ran away towards Croatia beaten and destroyed. They held in Croatia till 1945 what ,they planned was to hold the front line at Macedonia .That's the truth.By the way Dutch were German Alays and they fought for the German Nazi army in WW 2. German Army was resting and Recovering in Holland during the war from Eastern front.Check it yourself it's true.
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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@@makedon5575 To whom are you directing your reply to?
Good job bro 👍👍
Thanks Carl.
In late May 1934 Ivan Mihaylov didn't fled to Italy, but to Turkey and later on to Poland (in 1939). His memoirs are 3000 pages and they are quite interesting...
Great locations ! primary source history that keeps on getting better ! Smart and diverse community A real source of historical wealth exp. for an American taught history in an echo chamber
Awesome, many thanks.
ayo you're in skopje?? we gotta meet up man
Nah not anymore. Shot this last summer.
26000 Serbs who were expelled by the Bulgarians were in fact colonists settled among the hostile local population and given the best lands. During the Balkan wars nearly 300 000 Macedonians escaped Serbian rule in Bulgaria and in the interwar period supported the violent struggle of VMRO. A lot of them returned briefly as part of the Bulgarian army and administration and left again when Bulgaria itself was occupied by Stalin and withdrew from all Yugoslav territories in September 1944.
One more thing: the Germans were in control of Macedonia ever since they invaded Yugoslavia in 1941. They gave different parts to be “administered” by its allies but kept overall control until a postwar settlement. They had small detachments in the Balkans except for an army in Greece and took over from the Italians and Bulgarians when they changed sides.
Never knew this was a thing, very interesting video! This is probably one of the only channels that goes into depth about the Axis puppets. I'd recommend the German Occupation of Albania! 👍👍👍
Thanks. Last summer I briefly visited Albania but didnt shoot such a video.
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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Lad I enjoyed your lecture thoroughly regarding Servo-Bulgarian Macedonia. It is well research and hit all bullet points of the time period. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for your reply Fred!
Bulgaren ist mongolo tatars
Rasian estranger
My first reaction when I saw preview and barely read the title was "Why the hell Ukrainian Insurgent Army fighting Germany in Macedonia" lol
How can you afford to travel to so many countries for these videos?
This video recorded last summer. As a school teacher I enjoy the holidays and thanks to my patreons I can make trips like this.
Great video Stephan! However can you tell us how that state joined Communist Yugoslavia?
Maybe it has to do something with the Monestery of Prohor Pcinjski of SO Church just over the Serbian border.
It has an memo plate, Macedonian government wanted that Monestery to be their territory at the time.
Macedonia was part of Serbia, but after WW2, communist authorities ( i.e. J.B.Tito ) gave Macedonia the status of a republic.
@@MrKersey
Province of the Ottoman Empire conquered by the Serbia in 1912.
Later given semi independence and national identity recognition of choice by the Tito and Stalin in 1944.
At the time those two were allies, Tito was Stalin's subordinate in Comintern ranks.
That subordination broke in 1948.
@@serdradion4010 The city of Skopje (the capital of today's Northern Macedonia) was the capital of the medieval Serbian state under the Serbian emperor Dusan the Great.
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Both Mihajlov and Tatarchev refused this idea, which is sad, because maybe we would not end up in Yugoslavia at the end of the war.
Ти си българин
you need to talk about thew italian proposals of aromanian puppet the principality of pindus
Never heard of.
There ain't no way vlach nationalists are real lmao 😂
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
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@@HistoryHustle SEARCH PRINCIPALITY OF PINDUS italo-romanian attempts to create aromanian state in northen greece
@@gnas1897 we are we existed and we will again
Stefan
Ones again thank you for the facts
This is why after the civil war in Greece many communist flee in countries like romania Bulgaria Skopje and this is why they liked the idea for a ( Macedonia) including a way to the sea.
After 1980-1992 they allowed to return back in Greece
Thanks for watching.
0:32 Smooth operator... :-) :-)
:)
Still loving the niche content 👌👌👌
Many thanks for your supprt as always!
Thanks for this. Not much to ding dong say, except it shows the minor nation politics prevalent at the time in the region. Take care.
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Dear Stefan,
If you are being true to yourself and the facts, please correct the terminology as agreed upon the UN facilitated Prespa Agreement (Συμφωνία των Πρεσπών):
Article 1
(3-b) ‘The nationality of the Second Party shall be Macedonian…’
(3-c) ‘The official language of the Second Party shall be the “Macedonian language”, as recognised by the Third UN Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names, held in Athens in 1977, and described in Article 7(3) and (4) of this Agreement. ‘
(3-d) ‘The terms “Macedonia” and “Macedonian” have the meaning given under Article 7 of this Agreement.’
(3-e) ‘For all other purposes, country codes remain MK and MKD, as officially assigned by the International Organization for Standardization (“ISO”).’
Article 7
(1) The Parties acknowledge that their respective understanding of the terms “Macedonia” and “Macedonian” refers to a different historical context and cultural heritage.
(3) When reference is made to the Second Party, these terms denote its territory, language, people and their attributes, with their own history, culture, and heritage, distinctly different from those referred to under Article 7(2).
Ref.
in EN : s.kathimerini.gr/resources/article-files/symfwnia-aggliko-keimeno.pdf
in GR : government.gov.gr/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/prespes_26.6%CE%A735.5_5.pdf
Next time: one reply is sufficient. Please dont copy paste it under other videos.
Independent Macedonia was a nation that was denied by every SS General there, and wasn’t recognised by anyone so it failed to be anything for a day. And, when Bulgaria switched to allies, independent Macedonia was technically given to Nedic’s Serbia.
It failed indeed.
But somehow we’re still here ☀️
@@slavii_g 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🦁🦁
@@HistoryHustle didnt it last for 3 months from september to november so it managed to be something for 3 months or am i wrong? im not sure
Fun fact: The referendum for independence in 1991 was held on the 8th of September, which was the date that the puppet state of Independent Macedonia was proclaimed back in 1944. To this day it is unknown why, since the most important date in modern Macedonian history is the 2nd of August, or Ilinden (known for the Ilinden Uprising in 1903 and the first session of the Antifascist Assembly of the National Liberation of Macedonia or ASNOM in 1944).
Did the independent state of macedonia have a coat of arms or a constitution?
As far as I know not. But perhaps!
Never heard of it. Even guys from mkd do not know this stuff. Amazing as always new information that are unknown. Great job
We do know brother :) but it wasn't in the schoolbooks
@@isajloskidarko it was never in the school books how we were bulgarified, except in the memories of our grandparents
Good video for kids in nursery
Ok.
Independent Macedonia flag is similar to UPA flag
The flag of Independent Macedonia is the flag of the IMRO (VMRO) revolutionary organisation that predates the UPA.
Believe so too.
This is like when Japan gave I think it was either Indonesia or a country in Indochina granted it independence and basically just had all intentions to dip
Amazing video, had no idea about this. I have one question, where there stories in WW2 similar to the Angels of Mons? I have heard some wierd stories from my grandparents. One of those was that you could hear the dead people calling you if you went near the river Drina at night (those people being killed by the Chetniks and Germans during the war, their bodies were thrown into the river), but I feel like that was just to scare away children from going near the river at night.
@@yellowwasprakija2869 They killed a lot of people, but my grandfather said that they generally killed people in the woods and threw their bodies there. But there wasnt one single killing near that river... WW2 in the Balkans is just f-ed up...
@@yellowwasprakija2869 Kakva ti je rakija? Jel šljiva ili?
Drina muslims tend to have wild and obscure dark imagination.
For their mental health is better to live in some sunny and warm country like the Turkey.
On the river Drina banks are lots of dark and dense woods, low mountains, no planes for the agriculture and comfortable cities.
Life is hard, people are not provided and everyone is at each other throats.
Best is to move out of there, many Drina Serbs live comfortably in the Belgrade,Serbia now.
@@serdradion4010 HAHAHAHAHA.... Srsly mate, I just told a story I heard, and wanted to see if there are any other similar ones, that happened in the battles, like idk at Stalingrad someone seeing an angel or creepy stories about places like Babyn Yar. Personally. the moat interesting thing I saw there was an old cannon ball from the Ottoman Great Bombard, why the fuck was it there, IDK, but it was huge.
TBF its very pretty, and the river is always cold even in the summer, so its perfect for swimming.
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
MAKEDONIA TIEMLESS
Thanks bro for this video, really good explanation. Long live Macedonia
Glad you liked it. Thanks for your response.
Macedonia has been Greek since the start of its history and still is. Go back to Bulgaria
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Ok.
You forgot to mention the proposed Prime Minister of Macedonia "Spiro Kitinchev" and Ivan MIhailov spent 2years living in Warsaw during the war and then moved to Zagreb in the last few years of the war.
Didnt know this.
Am I right in saying that Yugoslav Macedonia was relatively fortunate in both WW2, post WW2 and in the 90s Yugoslavia break up, in avoiding the worst of war ravages or atrocities in that region? It seems that Greece and other parts of Yugoslavia fared worse.
No brother ... it was and it is still being tough being Macedonian...
Macedonia actually fought a war in 2001 (2001 Insurgency of Macedonia) which was the last of the Yugoslav Wars
@@benobrvar5956 There were fightings in 2015 too. Search for Kumanovo Clashes 2015.
Awesome video really liked it I rarely get to see my nation being covered in different periods in history there were some parts though that I found rather irritating like IMRO being called a bulgarian organization where in reality they were Macedonians trying to liberate themselves from the occupier. Overall a pretty good video well done keep up the good work.
Good job on this video! Greetings from Bulgaria! 🇧🇬 🇧🇬 🇧🇬
Thanks for watching.
1944 Macedonian partisans fought against retreating axis units no independent Macedonian state were established by Ivan Mihailov pupet of nazi regime.Macedonia as state were part of Yugoslav federation as one of six republic.Macedonian language were one of three oficial language.
Bro dont deny history there was one but only for 3 months
So why are North Macedonians claiming Ivan(Vanche) Mihailov to be nazi, when he obviously refuse to become a puppet? Did not participated in jews persecutions nor led armies in nazi favor?
@Vrvodec did bulgarians fought in North Africa? There was a civil war in Bulgaria between conservatives and communists- shocking! Bulgaria saved it's jews and it's minorities because it joined the Axis, right? We've lost the war in 1945, can you immagine that?
PS "could've" seriously? I could've say someone is a nazi therefore he must be executed as a nazi?
@Vrvodec "yet we just don't know what would've happen if Mikhailov took over Independent Macedonia in 1941"
That's not a reason to cancel a person. I could've say that macedonism is a radical conservatism and demand macedonians criminalize macedonism. Should they do that because of my internal prejudice/bias?
PS Communism is a radical left political system as well. Should we hunt down all the ex- communists?
@@user-qg9fz5xm4b he isn't a fasist but comunist propaganda made hi a fasist. He was a macedonian in 1929 he sind a agremant whit ante pavelic to make a independent macedonia and croatia
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
MAKEDONIA TIEMLESS
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Once Romania (and their oil) switched sides, there was little reason for the Germans to remain in the Balkans. They just needed time to withdraw to a more defendable position.
There was little reason for the Germans to continue the war, in the first place.
Stefan, about IMRO it is not true that it was bulgarian based organisation. Please learn more properly about IMRO. Some parts of them were for independent Macedonia accompanied to Bulgaria, but most of them were for independent Macedonia. We can have discussion tet-a-tet if you don't beleive me with some arguments. Nice video!
Thanks for your reply. I refer to my sources.
VMORO's opening chapter of its founding principles - Ustav - reads othereise to your independant Macedonia claims . Most were graduates from the Bulgarian male gymnasium in Salonika or teachers in bulgarian exarchist's schools in Ottoman Macedonia . All were well educated and of bulgarian self determination .
@@danchokonstantinov6735 good old joke tataristan :)
So, if they were studying in bulgarian schools they are bulgarians? Nice logic. Then what you say about this: if lion is born in pig's place, is it pig or lion? Thanks for not understanding.
The Macedonian National Archive has published volumes with original documents on everything related to VMORO from 1893 to 1924 and later. Reading those should be important for you as a patriot.
After WWI the Serbs banned the very word Macedonia and Macedonian as they treated everyone as “old” or “south Serb”. The country was called Southern Serbia and later Vardar Banovina.
In contrast Bulgaria not only allowed but actively supported all things Macedonian - refugee political and cultural organisations (Makedonski bratstva), Macedonian institute, even Macedonian opera. It was constantly accused by Serbia and Greece for sponsoring VMRO and asked to ban it and hand over its leaders.
Yet the Macedonians as they were called by all alongside the Dobrudzanci and Trakijci from Odrinsko, were supported by all and played an active role in forming Bulgarian politics abroad and at home. It all ended with the bloodbaths between Mihailovisti and Protogerovisti in the 1930s and the murder of Serbian king Alexander and french foreign minister Barthu This was a cause for war against Bulgaria which was narrowly averted by the disbanding of VMRO and the escape of Ivan Mihailov. Still, he remained loyal to the cause of independent Macedonia as Switzerland of the Balkans - the free home from all its ethnic groups - Bulgarian, Vlachs, Turks, Albanians, Serbs, Greeks, etc.
Confused logic - macedonians studied and taught in bulgarian schools because ........they dissociated themselves from the bulgarians ? But where were the bulgarians in Macedonia in those times ? Can you open a school in a foreign country / Ottoman Empire /, if you do not have local population support . ? Like serbian schools, like greek schools..... same for churches along enthnic lines . The Sultan's ferman in 1870 gave the bulgarian Exarchate jurisdiction over most macedonian counties on the ground of 2/3 population self determination, that is 2/3 of all population discribed themselves as bulgarians, and this is before a bulgarian principality was established .
This is not right history, if u have history chanel please take your time and search more about macedonian during 2 world war and u will learn how macedonians liberetaed macedonian teritory in every 3 parts okupated by serbs, greeks and bulgarians, and IMRO have two sides macesonian and bulgarian, this is not bulgarian party
I did research and refer to my sources (see below the video). Too bad in many Balkan countries history = politics. This is not a political channel.
The greeks liberated the part of ancient kingdom of Macedonia , this land was greek since ancient times
Bulgarian "occupation" ended, the serbian began
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle Macedonians are Bulgarians who were massively debulgarizided with the help of Serbia and Russia during communism, IMRO is Bulgarian organization, their historical figures are known to be all bulgarian revolutionaries like Jane Sandanski, Goce Delchev, Ivan Tatarchev etc. and this is proven by all world historians except the macedonian ones. They are claiming Tsar Samuil who was a bulgarian Tsar of Bulgarians and Serbs during medieval europe, there is a letter from the pope granting Samuel the title emperor, Georgi Dimitrov ( a known national traitor and leader of communist party at the time) made sure the Bulgarians in Macedonia are opressed, killed. Read about "bloody christmas" hundreds of thousands Bulgarians killed by the Yugoslav elite, the graves are still there. Mass graves
Bulgaria was Soviet zone a satellite,Srbija just newly made in 1947 hybrid.Bulgaria was Colony till then never nation never country.
@@starsajlonjim9598 Jim, read about superball don't come with historical arguments
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
MAKEDONIA TIEMLESS
IMRO IS MACEDONIAN ORG READ NAME
Ok.
Macedonia - region, not ethnicity. The first country, which accept Macedonian independence in 1990 was Bulgaria! Remember that! Now official macedonian politicians do not want to accept Bulgarian minority in Macedonia!
Interesting to read.
Loved it, and generally anything obscure you post about the Balkans. Though VMRO's Goče Delčev was initially pro-independence both nationally and territorially it later got betrayed by the pro-Bulgarian part of it. And regarding the Communist party recognizing the state, I believe that every small state that came to survive in the 19th and 20th century had a political reason for it behind (backed from larger powers like Russia did for Bulgaria, Russia and England for Greece etc.) Nice work overall tho 👍👍
Part of the big picture, backing by the big powers.
@@serdradion4010 ?
Being pro bulgarian was being pro Russian in the late 19th century...once Bulgaria sided with Germany in 1914 and even more in 1941 it slowly but surely lost the grounds in Macedonia.
We, Macedonians, were never pro fascist like bulgarians, serbian chetniks and shiptar balists ...
👌СЛОБОДА ИЛИ СМРТ ЗА МАКЕДОНИЈА👌
@@isajloskidarko generally anything bulgaria doesn't do. f tatarčinjata
Non of this is true.Read my comment it explains what really happened.
tutuno beracite
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@@HistoryHustle Kosta Racin, macedonian poet
@@zokzok5038 Българин*
So , You are Stefan, Dutch(!?) What about Stefan Dečanski ( ч=č=ch) . . .
Greece and Makedonija signed treaty that Makedonija can have this name in form of Northern Macedonia. This treaty they should have to sign here in Belgrade, Srbija in church of S't Marco because there Are remains of Car Dušan ( Ц=С=ТS. Ш=Š=SH) at this time (mid 14th century) ruler of Serbia at thist time . . .just look at the map !
Have a nice day
Thanks for sharing.
We were bulgarians before 1944. Now is different. Regards from Biola, North Macedonia!
Much love ❤
Overall truthful historical video, but some very important details need to be mentioned.
1) There was no Macedonian ethnicity, before such was proclaimed in 1945.
2) The whole geographic region of Macedonia (not only the current Republic of North Macedonia) was inhabited by a population which widely declared itself as Bulgarian. There are numerous documents available today that show that fact.
3) IMRO was founded by people who declared themselves as Bulgarian. In their organizational laws’ book, it is stated that a member of the organization could be any Bulgarian. Later on, when it became clear that the great European states would not allow the creation of a new big state in Europe (namely Bulgaria), the IMRO leaders changed their goal from “liberating Macedonia and Southern Thrace from the Ottomans and joining Bulgaria,” to “liberating Macedonia and Southern Thrace from the Ottomans and gaining autonomy, with a future date of joining Bulgaria.” When that idea was also seen as unrealistic, the goal became to “liberate Macedonia and gain sovereignty in likeness of Switzerland.” That idea was brought forth by the IMRO leader, Todor Aleksandrov, and was carried through by his heir, Ivan Mihailov, who was the last leader of the historical IMRO.
4) When the Balkan allied states (Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece & Montenegro) were preparing for the First Balkan War against the Ottoman Empire, they signed treaties, specifying who will keep what lands from the newly gained territories, in the event they won. Bulgaria was to keep most of the geographic region of Macedonia, due to the Bulgarian character of the local population there (up to 85% in some areas) and the establishment of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church (Exarchate) in those lands, which were assigned to that church by the Ottoman Sultan, based on the request of the local population. After the victory of the Balkan Allies, over the Ottoman Empire, Serbia and Greece quickly negotiated behind Bulgaria’s back to keep the territories where their armies were currently stationed. If Bulgaria was to retaliate, they were going to join forces to defeat Bulgaria and keep the lands that way. Of course, Bulgaria retaliated and that started the Second Balkan War. As that happened, Russia encouraged Romania to invade Bulgaria from the north, even though that country had no beef in this dispute. Romania did invade Bulgaria from the north and reached unopposed almost to the capital, Sofia. When the Ottomans saw this ordeal, they quickly decided to reclaim some of the freshly lost territories and they invaded Bulgaria from the southeast on their own accord! Bulgaria was forced to surrender and sign a peace treaty not in its favor, which meant losing territories to all of its neighbors. Most of those territories were inhabited by population that mainly declared itself as Bulgarian (again, there are plenty of documents that show that fact). Well, next came WW l and WW ll, in both of which Bulgaria fought on the losing side… The only reason Bulgaria entered any of these wars was the attempt to unite all Bulgarians in one state. In WW ll, 40% of Bulgaria’s GDP was injected in the development of infrastructure in Macedonia, in the belief that Bulgaria would get to finally, rightfully keep those territories, but in the end it proved to be all in vain and to the gain of another nation.
5) After WW ll, Greece kept 50% of geographic Macedonia (while having 10% local Greek population), Serbia kept 40% of geographic Macedonia (while having 2% of the local population) and Bulgaria kept 10% of geographic Macedonia (while having 85% of the local population). At first, Serbia called the newly gained region of Vardar Macedonia (today’s Republic of North Macedonia) South Serbian Vardar Banovina, and tried to Serbianize the local Bulgarian population, but when it became clear that this was not likely to happen, Serbia gave Vardar Macedonia independence inside of the newly formed Yugoslavia. A lot of ethnic cleansing ensued, where the whole Bulgarian elite of the region was massacred, jailed and tortured, until most of that population either perished or immigrated. The remaining Bulgarian population saw that example and had to follow the new rules if it were to survive and have a decent life. Years of anti-Bulgarian propaganda followed these events, where false information was included in the history books and a specific law was passed, which prohibited any of the citizens of the newly formed state to proclaim as Bulgarian. The few who rebelled were swiftly punished. In 1992, Macedonia got its independence from Yugoslavia as the later dissolved.
That saw the formation of the first independent Macedonian state, since the Kingdom of Macedon more than two thousand years ago. However, the kingdom was a Hellenic (Greek), while the newly formed state was Slavic and the two of them had nothing in common, except for the name. Even so, the current citizens of the Republic of North Macedonia were well indoctrinated that they are the descendants of the Kingdom of Macedon and that Bulgaria is their biggest foe that needs to be hated with passion. That is the case to this day. Nowadays, the Republic of North Macedonia would not admit to the fact that it’s ancestors were of Bulgarian ethnicity and that became an effective obstacle on the way to their accession into the European Union, because Bulgaria would not have it. Very sad story for everyone involved!
Thanks for sharing this.
Ne jadi gomna Tatar
That is not true, like half of people in today North Macedonia declared themselves as Serbs
@@user-np8zl4hy6u,
The documents are out there to be seen by anyone. All one needs to do is a quick Google search and he/she will find out which one of us (you or I) is telling the truth… I have provided timelines that could be checked. There are plenty of international reporters who have visited the area in those times and wrote about the character of the local population.
Suggested materials:
“The War Comes Back” by Henri Pozzi
“The Carnegie Report” - Report of the national commission on the Balkan Wars
“Population Distribution of the Millets in Macedonia”
“Demographic History of Macedonia”
“Encyclopedia Britannica” - the 1911 edition - Statistical Estimates about the population of Macedonia.
"The Greek region of Macedonia in 1946 had only 10% Greeks "
Sources: Trust me bro, I don't make things up
some fun lore :
after the murder of jane sandski after ww1 the imro organization started becoming more pro-bulgarian, this was due to the fact that jane sandanski held it all together pretty much, in a meeting held in a church after the ending of the iliden uprising jane sandanski discovered that there are vrhovisti in his organization (vrhovisti isnt their real name its a branch nickname given to people who tried to influence imro into thinking macedonia is bulgarian)
tl:dr : jane died, imro became pro bulgarian, jane wanted free macedonia so he had to go
Thanks for sharing.
Fun Fact:
IMRO was pro- bulgarian from the start. That's why during the Balkan wars and WWI they fought alongside Bulgaria. The left leaning organization of IMRO was always supported by federalists/comunists/anarchysts. If we check the political compass of the IMRO members, we would find that most of the pro- independant Macedonia activists were leftists meaning they fought for independant federation/multi ethnic state and ceirtanly not a monoethnic nation state. After WWII the communist regime adopted ultra nationalism stance and invented historyography that is nowadays disputed by all the historians that were not part of Yugoslavia(or payed by them).
P.S. One of the major biases is that of the term "ethnic bulgarian". Bulgarians have sub- etno groups like: Rodopchani, Dobrudjantzi, Thracians, Shopi and Macedonians(and several others like some moesians). The last two weren't fully liberated and we the reason for our invlovment in the wars.
@@user-qg9fz5xm4b it was barely pro Bulgarian, and during ww1 they barely participated, except the time jane begged the bulgarian king to give them a free Macedonia, only for them to kill jane months later, imro was divided yes, but that came much more late
@@marotvorec that's baseless. Everyone knows that tens of thousands "macedonians" joined Bulgaria en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Macedonian_Revolutionary_Organization#Balkan_Wars_and_World_War_I
@@marotvorec strange considering all the founders of the original IMRO considered themselves Bulgarian.
And yet till this day Bulgaria won't admit that they in fact occupied Macedonia
It what sense they dont admit?
There was no such state to occupy, before that it was "Vardar Banivina" or "Southern Serbia"
@@HistoryHustle Well they are saying that they were administrative body and not occupants 😂 And yeah they are also neglecting that they (the government) were having facist viewpoint
@@narutomgm Whether you are or not a ocupator somewhere has nothing to do with the naming of that region/state at the given moment.
Please do visit Wikipedia at least and copy paste in your next comment the definition of occupant/occupation
@@TheStefchoo
Here is the copy paste from Wikipedia.
"Occupation is distinguished from annexation and colonialism by its intended temporary duration."
"From the second half of the 18th century onwards, international law has come to distinguish between the occupation of a country and territorial acquisition by invasion and annexation,"
So in this case we are taking about annexation of what was internationaly recognised as "Serbian territory"
The end of video tells everything .. The "" Macedonian nation " was created by Yugoslav Communist party against Bulgarian influence .
And against the Serbian influence too.
Actually, to be distinguished against all the neighbors territorial ambitions.
Well, they had to admit we are there ... soon you will too...
Freedom for Macedonians in the Pirin Macedonia...
@u47: think there is more to it.
Non of this is true.Read my comment it explains what really happened.
Definitely wasn't created by communists. Do you know of any other nation to be "created" by a totalitarian government? What a strange belief to have.
Thank you Stefan for bringing the Serbianization of Macedonia before the Bulgarian army came here. Sadly, almost 95% of the Macedonian population have no clue about this. That's why "we" always view Bulgaria as the enemy because they came here as "occupiers", but no one talks about the Serbian colonization and occupation in the period between the WW1 and WW2, and yet we call them brothers.
Sadly commies from both sides (Bulgaria and Yugoslav Macedonia) were so much against an independent Macedonian state back then, maybe things would've been different now..
Between WW2 and the time Yugoslavia took over Vardar nearly the entirely population of Skopje considered themselves Bulgarian "Macedonians". This "minor" part of history is unfortunately edited out by fanatics in Skopje. Its also a shame your foreign apologists lack the integrity to admit Greeks had a point. Skopje did a abuse the name for "Macedonia" for irredentist purposes.
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wtf
@@mydogsbutler Sure thing pal, whether we called ourselves Bulgarians or Turks or Albanians or whatever, our name has always been Macedonia. That's why IMRO was formed, an organization that fought firstly for liberty, autonomy and then independence for Macedonia (the whole region) with the capital of Thessaloniki.
And tell me, what point did the Greeks have? Since you call us "Skopje" i take it you are Greek, doesn't matter, enlighten me please.
@@87degreez
"Sure thing pal, whether we called ourselves Bulgarians or Turks or Albanians or whatever, our name has always been Macedonia. T"
I am not your pal. And your claim your name was "always Macedonia" is a lie... making you a shameless ulra nationalist liar.
IMRO despite using the name "Macedonian" was actually a crypto-Bulgarian organization. Delchev, Gruev, Mihalov, et al... all Bulgarians.
@@87degreez IMRO, a Bulgarian organization, fought to create a second Bulgarian state called "Macedonia".
The funny thing about the situation is Skopje isn't part of the Alexander's Macedonian homeland. It's a myth that unfortunately your incompetent foreign apologists repeat becaue they can't be bothered to check. Skopje during the time of Phiip was part of the kingdom of PAEONIA. 100 percent of Alexander's homeland is in Greece.
You are Macedonia nothing. Fake ethnic groups. Fake country. Fake history. Even your language used to be called Bulgarian. Fake fake fake.
You only exist as a proxy to harass Greeks. That became apparent when nearly everyone that ridiculously recognized you started to play stupid as the obvious frauds in your country started to claim not to be Slavs but ancient Macedonians, founders of the HELLENISIC period.
How do you “Bulgarize” Bulgarians? 💀💀💀💀
Many didn't think of themselves as such.
Macedonian nation wasn't recognized in the Ottoman Empire, Royal Serbia, Czarist Bulgaria, Royal Greece, Royal Yugoslavia, Albania.
Not in the any of it's neighbors.
Macedonian national ideologists, one part of them, sided with the world communist movement the Comintern during the Royal Yugoslavia period, got inside support by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, and from 1937 and Tito's taking power in the Party, from the semi independent subordinate branches Communist Party of Croatia and Communist Party of Slovenia.
Tito, being appointed as Secretary (chief ) of CP of Yugoslavia in 1937 personally by Stalin, started the decentralization and dezintegration policy of RY.
Macedonian nationality was recognized only in 1945 in Tito's FNRJ, not in the communist Bulgaria.
Macedonians were the OtoMan nation. All others didn't exist.And Bulgaria Yugoslavia Greece and Albania are Colonies occupied Macedonian Territories by Russian British French Austrian empires and Italy. You are simply speaking nonsense.SaxoBurg is Austrian,Kapodostrovich Russian,Otto Bavarian,William Danish.All foreign colonials.Non of these nations existed ever,they are hybrids fabricated.Even today Greece is just an EU protectorate,Bulgaria post soviet zone,Srbija Russian province, never nations never countries.
Ukrainian nationality was also recognized later. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@@starsajlonjim9598
On Berlin Conference in 1978 was any Great power even mentioning Macedonia as whatever state or the province?
No even one, no even unofficially.
No one to back you up untill the Stalin in 1928 and Hitler in 1944.
They separately made the new nation out of diversified regional identity.
Entire Macedonian national identity political propaganda is mixture of Stalinist and Gebels attitude.
@@serdradion4010 Those were colonials that occupied MACEDONIA.And made hybrid Colonies on Macedonian soil.You are brainwashed with nonsense.Did Nazi Germany back up any of Occupied nations and countries? Does Russia recognize occupied regions as Ukrainian now? Hah you can't be that stupid can you? Colonials the Imperialists attacked and occupied whatever they can.They made colonies.But what is important for History are artifacts.No artifacts of Bulgars,Serbs,Slavs,Greeks ever exist and never existed .Those are hybrids made by colonials those were colonies not nations nor countries.Think deeply SaxoBurg is Austrian , William is Danish not Bulgar Greek.Capish.While Macedonians at the same time had their own army fighting the colonialists.Beating them proclaiming Republics.With Macedonian elected President Government,Flag, Constitution,State Seal.Those artifacts exists till very day! 1876 first 1878 second,1903 third Republic, Autonomous Macedonia in 1908,then Macedonian Areas 1921 after that 1929 Macedonian Vardar Dutchy,1943 Macedonian Republic.With it's own forces ,Macedonians always had rebelian troups and Militia whole 19 the cent and 20th.The Macedonian Revolutionary organization was made 1893 with Macedonian constitution, Militia ,Troups, Chambers , Communities etc with President ,and Members .In 1943 Macedonian army beat the Italians and 1944 Germans.And Macedonian Divisions fought Germans in Syrmia Front 1945 liberating Bosnia Croatia and Slovenia. Educate yourself first.Dont speak nonsense.
@@HistoryHustle Ukrainians don't claim to be "ethnic' Macedonians nor do they steal other peoples history. The former Yugoslavians could have chosen a name other than Macedonia. They wanted a fight. they got it.
What's unfortunate is how many bigotted antihellenic frauds ridiculously recognized them as "Macedonian", including some alleged historians, when they well knew they were not.
Nice video but the IMRO was not bulgarian
Disputed.
And what was it?
@@HistoryHustle The goal of IMRO was to establish Independent Macedonian State and most of the members in the history of imro said that they are different ethnic group from the serbs and tatars (bulgars)
To all the Bulgarians
We wouldn’t have wanted to break free from Bulgaria they didn’t force a Bulgarian identity on us and massacre so many Macedonian. Just like serbia they did the same thing to us. Also Macedonian identity existed even during the ottoman times like for example gorgija who he called self a Macedonian before WW1 and WW2
In Ottoman archives so call "Macedonian" never ever exist🎉
Don't you get it? Your country exists today because of Bulgaria, Bulgarian propaganda about an independent Macedonia to steal it from the Greeks due to Thessaloniki
@@supermodeinfinity5519ottomans did not follow ethnic line
Macedonian identity during the ottoman times didnt exist as nationality only as geographical term , all inhabitands of Macedonia greeks and bulgarians were using the term , there was no "macedonian" nation and language then
Ohhh the comments section is gonna be so civilized 😏
I know...
Павле, we are civilized people :)
"Macedonian nationalism Is a new phenomenon. In the early twentieth century, there was no separate Slavic Macedonian identity."
Sperling, James; Kay, Sean; Papacosma, S. Victor (2003). Limiting institutions?: the challenge of Eurasian security governance. Manchester, UK: Manchester University Press. p. 57.
"The key fact about Macedonian nationalism is that it is new: in the early twentieth century, Macedonian villagers defined their identity religiously-they were either "Bulgarian," "Serbian," or "Greek" depending on the affiliation of the village priest. ... According to the new Macedonian mythology, modern Macedonians are the direct descendants of Alexander the Great's subjects. They trace their cultural identity to the ninth-century Saints Cyril and Methodius, who converted the Slavs to Christianity and invented the first Slavic alphabet, and whose disciples maintained a center of Christian learning in western Macedonia. A more modern national hero is Gotse Delchev, leader of the turn-of-the-century Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO), which was actually a largely pro-Bulgarian organization but is claimed as the founding Macedonian national movement."
Kaufman, Stuart J. (2001). Modern hatreds: the symbolic politics of ethnic war. New York: Cornell University Press. p. 193.
😂😂😂 1860s from Slaveykov "We have many times heard from the Macedonists that they are not Bulgarians, but they are rather Macedonians, descendants of the Ancient Macedonians". Thats a long time before tito. He must have had a time machine 😂 Imagine a Bulgarian who carried a fabricated name of non balkan origin thanks to Russia creating the Bulgarian nation telling a Macedonian he is Bulgarian. se da vi ebam tatari
@@orion5813 "Misirkov lamented that "no local Macedonian patriotism" existed and would have to be created. He anticipated that Macedonians would respond to his proposal with a series of baffled questions: "What sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we, and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?...Macedonian as a nationality has never existed, and it does not exist now"... Misirkov answered by observing that national loyalties change with time: "What has not existed in the past may still be brought into existence later, provided that the appropriate historical circumstances arise... Misirkov in short wanted, the Ottoman state to promote Macedonian nation-building, calling for "official recognition"."
Region, Regional Identity and Regionalism in Southeastern Europe, Klaus Roth, Ulf Brunnbauer, LIT Verlag Münster, 2008, p. 138
@@orion5813 "The key fact about Macedonian nationalism is that it is new: in the early twentieth century, Macedonian villagers defined their identity religiously-they were either "Bulgarian," "Serbian," or "Greek" depending on the affiliation of the village priest. ... According to the new Macedonian mythology, modern Macedonians are the direct descendants of Alexander the Great's subjects. They trace their cultural identity to the ninth-century Saints Cyril and Methodius, who converted the Slavs to Christianity and invented the first Slavic alphabet, and whose disciples maintained a center of Christian learning in western Macedonia. A more modern national hero is Gotse Delchev, leader of the turn-of-the-century Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO), which was actually a largely pro-Bulgarian organization but is claimed as the founding Macedonian national movement."
Kaufman, Stuart J. (2001). Modern hatreds: the symbolic politics of ethnic war. New York: Cornell University Press. p. 193.
You are missing so many facts about the region called Macedonia. " Half true is not true" ! If you want to continue practicing on this topic you should learn more from real original documentation ! The above comment from "Ilian Nachev" would be very helpful to you as a beginning !
Feel free to explain.
Macedonia is a region and there is not Macedonian nation and etnicity. Check documents of Ottoman empire
Sounds like a reliable source 🤔
Прав назив за ту територију је Стара Србија Вардарска Србија и Вардарска бановина а то се крије и о томе се НЕ смије дискутовати.
Had enough with the serbianisation and turned to their brother Bulgarians. There is no such ethnicity as Macedonian. These people are Bulgarians who write on a Serbian typewriter.
No such thing as Macedonia. This part( of the region Macedonia) has been mostly Bulgarian since the early Middle ages...
Still disputed.
@@HistoryHustle yes, they definitely do not speak Bulgarian... North Macedonia is the product of political engineering - Serbian and later communist. Don't care, no one stopping them to achieve their dreams. There are 406 genders after all
this video should be sanctioned by youtube, saying that a macedonian nation didnt exist in 1944 is laughable.
Nation as a state.
I can tell you as a macedonian, from my grandfathers own first hand experience, that the bulgarians NEVER were welcomed or greeted nicely by our people-they were occupied and tortured to comply.
It is bulgarian propaganda that which persists to this day sadly.
Two Grandfathers versus history books. Although I dont wanna discredit your grandfathers eyewitnesses have their biases.
Hi Stefan, the fact that your grandfathers did not welcome the Bulgarian army does not mean that all the other people in the region had the same attitude.
There are numerous photos / factual evidence / of otherwise . May be your ancestry is pro-serbian, just like those bulgarian patriarshists in greek Macedonia, who supported greek occupation and exciled hundreds of thousands of their own to Bulgaria, Banovina and all over the world . VMRO was actively involved in re-settlement of macedonian refugees all over Bulgaria, indeed most bulgarian cities have large macedonian quaters, still recognizable in present times.
@@88tsvetkov Just because some pro bulgarian traitors- to be mild, have welcomed the occupation, doesnt mean they are the majority.
@@stefannikoloski8887 Must be so hard for you to believe that there was a separate Macedonian ethnic group before the 1940's while at the same time all the notable figures in the history of the region were self-proclaimed Bulgarians.
You must be burning inside out.
Haha This story was made by Yogoslavian perspective? IMRo is a Bulgarian organisation
Your point?
Its Macedonians always will be
Says you.
@@HistoryHustle says reality you goat
It western Bulgaria always will be
@@bojanblagoevski959 Ти си българин
The part about IMRO is so wrong.First of all,Ivan Mihajlov was born in 1896.TMORO or VMRO is created in 1893 by Damjan Dame Gruev,Hristo Batandzhiev,Petar Pop Arsov,Andon Dimitrov,Hristo Tatarchev and Ivan Hadzi Nikolov.Their idea was a "Independent,united Macedonia".Later when Goce Delchev(the most famous Macedonian revolutionary) came in to the organization he created a book with rules and laws.The first rule was:"We dont want our neighbours to free us,we will free ourselves alone".Meaning that Macedonians didnt want (mainly) Bulgarians,Greeks or Serbs to give them freedom beacouse they will try to annex Macedonia.Please inform yourself better beacouse Ivan Mihaljov is Bugarophile and nazist,who disgraced Macedonia.
Much of it is contested I see.
@@HistoryHustle The mentioning of Bulgarian VMRO is what got me to write that comment really.Its a little complicated but mainly,the first IMRO or VMRO is Macedonian not Bulgarian.Later Bulgarian goverment starts to send Bulgarians and Bugarophiles in the organization to seize it.After 1907 there are couple of assasinations between Macedonian ans "Bulgarian VMRO".
Отац ткз маћедонске нације је Лазар Колишевски 1945 године у ФНРЈ ..
@@j2198 Дај не зборви глупости 2 чисти немаш
Cool video, it's weird seeing that the first independent Macedonia was really fascist, even though I associate the whole idea with communism...
Thanks for watching.
🇲🇰=🇧🇬
Not really...
@@HistoryHustle half Bulgarian half slav
My city Skopje 🇲🇰❗
My country Republic of Macedonia 🇲🇰❗
Ok.
One can recognize your goal, in this so-called video, for history. and your just attitude towards the country in which you speak and is currently located. You call this country (Nord Macedonia) a NAME that is against the will of the people, (at the referendum people boycotted this name, as well as the entry into the NATO/NAZI alliance) and that was forcibly imposed by the So-called "democratic" European Union!!! I don't even need to talk about your history, as if you copied it from our neighbors, the Greeks or the Bulgarians, I mean these same countries, which cooperated with Hitler... Your goal is well known to us Macedonians, there have been many such stinks asshole, as you, well-paid, from the side of the Nazi countries, like the USA, GERMANY, GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, and also your country Holland, which the king, killed you, little children in Africa And straight chains, from their teeth..
MAKEDONIA TIEMLESS
@@HistoryHustle IT is not ok , the countrys name is NORTH Macedonia , Macedonia is in Greece
just to mention this macedonia has nothing to do with the empire
Ok.
stop lying
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@@HistoryHustle first of all i am offending its not north macedonia . its Republic of Macedonia. and Macedonia is not a geographical region
Macedonia is never greek. Bulgarian facsist occupiers occupied Macedonia in 1941 and the west put was under italian control . Macedonia was divivded in 1913 under bucharest treaty which greece and bulgaria have each part of Macedonia . The one that is independant was undet serb control. so stop you lying and speak the facts
@@niksmaithy6929 Платен бот
@@niksmaithy6929 The Balkan wars were over Ottoman spoils. You country didn't exist at the time nor is it Alexander's homeland. In 1913 most of your ancestors still self-identified as ethnic Bulgarians. This is why in the treaty of Burcharist, which you obviously haven't even read, mentions Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks and others but does not mention the existence of "Maceonians".
It's ironic you accuse others of fascism when you are a little Nazi yourself spreading history and using that to promote irredentism against other states.
@@niksmaithy6929 "historical"nonsense