AXIS INVASION of Yugoslavia (1941): ua-cam.com/video/PGWRiN9Y4vg/v-deo.html SLOVENIA during World War II: ua-cam.com/video/75B7fO0jSrc/v-deo.html CROATIA during World War II: ua-cam.com/video/lpou33h-KrU/v-deo.html
By whom? While many Montenegrins did fall under Serb-chetnik influence in both WW2 and more recent former Yugoslav wars, Montenegrins heroism in Yugoslav Partisan brigades was legendary too. This was very known and praised among former Yugoslavs.
@@TimelineQ You are not spokesman of your entire nation. The second half consider themselves Montenegrins, with their own church, language, culture, heritage, they are ashamed for the atrocities they have done while being puppets of Serbia. As for the Serbs themselves, well, I salute all great individuals - there are some great ones for sure, but on a greater scale, unfortunately, you seem to be taking part of a collective hallucination and you cannot be helped.
Huge ! Really interested in the Red Terror and the fate of the Italian Army standalone videos you’ve mentioned but I guess the list is endless ! Thanks again.
From Montenegro 🇲🇪 I am so glad this is being talked about! In Montenegrin history WW2 is very little. I beg of you to talk about the Christmas Uprising (1919) in its own video which precedes WW2 when Montenegro fought a minor independence war again Serbia. You did a great job talking about it in this video but I think it deserves its own video.
Minor war where few hundred people participated and less than 10 were killed overall. It was not an uprising against Serbia but a conflict about which dynasty would rule the new kingdom. Some in Montenegro supported their own King and some supported Serbian King which by the way was a grandson of Montenegrin king. So kind of unfair to portray it as war of independence.
We Montenegrins are Serbs. The only legal army at the beginning of World War II was the Yugoslav army.Partisans, Ustaše, VMRO were terrorist organizations. Allegedly, the partisans were anti-fascists, at the beginning of the war they first killed 2 Yugoslav gendarmes.And we can also talk about the Christmas uprising, after the assembly in Podgorica where there were two groups Green and White movement. The greens were for unification, but as a federal with autonomy, and the whites were for unconditional unification. They were all Serbs, but with different views on unification.Italy and the exiled government financed the insurgents who were not called "Committees" because the Committees were insurgents against the occupiers of 1914-18. And these were popularly known as "одметници ".
Outlaws were bandits 80% in addition to rebels. One of the most famous was Petar Zvicer, who was allegedly killed by the troops of officer Kecmanović, who is actually from Bosnia and not from Serbia.Zviter killed Nikola Krivokapić, a wealthy merchant, the brother of Đok Lazarev Popović, who killed Selim Pasha at Vuči Dol. Besides them, there were about 70 other people with theft and dealings. He was killed by the neighbors of Cucci who could not watch the crimes. They killed his family with him and added 3 children who never existed and burned them.Of course, the Montenegrin nation has only started to exist since the advent of communism, where people were crossed out on the census to declare that they were Serbs, but they added t And in the declaration in the kingdom, there were 95% Serbs and 5% Albanians.hat they were Montenegrins.
Of course, politics today are held by politicians who recognized Kosovo, want to abolish the Cyrillic alphabet, the Serbian language, etc. These are the flyers who during Tito were communists, during the 90s the great Serbs, and now the "Montenegrins", NATO and the EU are lobbyists. We were forced to join NATO, and 85% of the people are for Russia, as they have been throughout history. And the state is not governed by ""democracy and by the will of the people already through foreign embassies.
I'm from Montenegro and I really enjoyed the video. Sadly I don't know a lot about history to really say any more than what was said. XD Really cool that you visit the places you are talking about. 😁 Have a great day!
Could you do a video sometime on the Green collaborationist forces? I've always been interested in the subject as I heard a lot about the Chetniks in Montenegro rather than the greens.
@@HistoryHustle Ah, nice! A great hanseatic city. Although, I suspect that you will be talking about its more recent history. I hope you'll come back to Łódź one day. If I remember correctly, you made only some community posts but no videos here.
Hargh Thanks for the video. You are always having a unusual perspective on history. Thats great and thank you for that. This video though I have to see couple of times before I get the picture. It's very complicated😳😵💫😳😵💫
Montenegrin are literally Serbs,where did you "fight" Serbs? You literally fought side by side with Serbs.Đurišić was under Serbian army command.Montenegro and Serbia is one country one ethnic group
we are serbs. always read the mountain wreath and you will learn. In Montenegro in 1905, 95% were Serbs in the census. The mercenary Italian army and a certain part of the 220 green movement participated in that battle. It was not a Serbian army, but a Yugoslav one, and it protected the territory from Italian pretensions.Sports greeting.
@@ghostofuchiha441 In 1918 few hundreds of people gathered around Petrovic Nikola King fought again Serbian rule. Montenegro had over 300k,so it cant be said that whole Montenegro had war with Serbia. Most of Montenegrins were on Serbian side
@@Milan_M95budale vukanova zemlja je donji dio sadasnje cg, dio raske je u cg, a onda se dignu i kazu ponosni montenegrin glupi ljudi. Ne znam dje su zvili ti ljudi
Like most of Yugoslavia during WWII, caught up between the rivalry of the Axis Powers as well as the rivalry between the resistance groups. Thank goodness they caught a break during the Yugoslav Wars and were not as badly affected as the rest. Take care, and thanks for another great video ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
They didn't catch break, their now president Milo lead Montenegro military reservists in destroying Dubrovnik and looting nearby croatian villages that were on the border. Nowadays Milo is big democrat and NATO allie.
An other amazing video, great job. Next time you could make a standalone video about the rivalry between Chetniks and Partizans. Because I think the Chetniks are not that well known as the Partizans.
Montenegro had unilaterally voted to become part of Serbia in 1918. Great people's Podgorica assembly part of which was my great, great grandfather Pop Bozo Vujošević, a pre war memeber of Montenegrin Parliament. Split between the greens and whites happened as election for the assembly were held with greens not making good enough results, their name derived from the green paper their candidate list was printed on, while the whites had as the name suggests white paper. Whites were mostly represented by pre war Montenegrin opposition to King Nikola. But there were none opposing the unification, the idea of the greens was preserving Montenegrin uniqueness in terms of it's contribution in the struggle over the centuries for freedom, and they didn't cherish some notion of being against Serbs, as well as quite a few of the organizers openly considered themselves as such. Overall the greens were federalists, greens of the Christmas uprising were not lead by same ideas as the greens during WWII. Partizan left errors happened before the chetnik partizan split in Montenegro which happened substantially after the same split in Serbia and other parts. Love your work and appreciate the time and effort you put into it! ❤️
How comes unilaterally when ruling dynasty was against the transferring power to the dynasty of Karadjordjevic,followed by it's supporters and significant part of the Parliament? Christmas uprising in the 1919 was first military rebellion against both Serbian and new Kingdom of SCS rule. They were from the very start anti Yugoslavia oriented, as well as the Croats politicians majority. So ever since they acted together for the separation trough various political movements.
@@serdradion4010 Ruling Montenegrin dynasty was of course against transfering power to Serbian dynasty because they wanted that power for themselves, not because they were opposed to unification. Montenegrin King Nikola is widely known as Serbian nationalist, you could even consider him an extreme Serbian nationalist. He, as well as all of Montenegro, wanted unity with Serbia. The issues began when it was to be decided who would rule the future country.
@@serdradion4010 Petrovic dynasty wasn't part of the parlament, logically, when I say unilaterally I mean that the elected assembly was in favor of it, and some if the greens were also a part of it. Christmas uprising wasn't too bloody of an affair and it ended with a series of talks between the leaders of whites and the greens casualties were extremely few and fighting only happened around Cetinje, which was besieged by the greens and it lasted only one day, the remaining timeline was filled with negotiations. The ruling dynasty by the way had signed an agreement with the Obrenovic dynasty about unification with Serbia prior to these events obviously it never came to be due to death of Mihailo Obrenovic as well as subsequent fall of the house of Obrenovic, meaning that this idea of unification wasn't really foreign. And when you say this you are ignoring the fact that the Karadjordjevic dynasty was living in Montenegro prior to their raise to power and future Kind Alexander was born and lived in Cetinje since he was a grandson of King Nikola. Also on the side note at the same time the Kingdom of Montenegro ceased to exist, so did the Kingdom of Sebria. This isn't comparable to IMRO activities and uprisings. Also Croatian issue arises far later into the live of the new Kingdom, ustasa activities were scaresly supported by wider Croatian public in the inner war period. Either way, I speak of these events through diaries of my forefathers who were active participants in these events.
@@locybapsi174 That is the point, no one wants to lose his job so just simply the other one can get it, even the other being his relative. So with no agreement on the newly forming state management level, unifocation was ruled out by the official government of Montenegro. For ther help, on Kings demand, came support of Royal family of Italia, with Italian Queen being King Nikola's daughter Jelena. And Italy was an Ally of both states in the Great War, and they acted against Italy's national interests. Even later, Serbian Royals again opposed the Italian Royal family at the Treaty of Rapallo, between Kingdom of SCS and Italy , about the new borders and the partition of ex Austro -Hungarian territories, regarding the London agreement of 1915. This time , due to Croats being the founders of the new Kingdom of SCS, they took the side of Croats, again against the former Great War ally Italy. This greatly contributed to following Mussolini's taking power in the Parliament of Italy.
Our ancestors were from families that were European crusading families...they became outlaws after fall of Serbian Despotate and Kingdom of Bosnia,Principality of Herzeg of St. Sava and Ragusa switching vassalage from Hungarian to Ottoman...all those people ( essentially Serb) by that time run to the Black Mountain and became hayduks and those first four counties and tribes in them and clans ( like my Cuce) were fiersless fighters against Ottomans while other Christian subjects outside those four counties were out enemies...What puzzles me is that with God's help our ancestors resisted and conquered the territory of those Christian Turkish subjects,enlarged it's teritory,were supplying Venice and Austria wth troops and border guards and were defeating Ottomans in the clashes were they outnumbered us twenty to one...We resettled Serbia and many other regions and we Montenegrins were progenitors of three Serb dinastys...I think sometimes that Asterix and Obelix comic characters and that whole comic narative has been inspired by Montenegrin history ( one little village in Gaul surrounded by enemy on all four sides is resisting the strongest invader that their world has known) ...It's like Montenegro from 1470d all the way till 1870d...three hundred years of struggle against the Ottoman Empire when we were little David fighting Golliath..
@@radomirratkovic9014 you are a people of heroes. By the way Asterix and Obelix is not a good example because it propagates the Celtic myth of France. France in the essence is a Germanic country called after the Franks, a Germanic people.
@@johanvandermeulen9696 it was called doclea kingdom back then slav people same ppl as now although some reseachers saying that these people of montenegrin descent are from illyrian peoples and defeated twice byzantine army inflicting masive casualties the byzantines never again tried to conquer that part of land and if u see ottoman map from 1595 you will se small place called montenegro free back then these guys defeated the ottomans in every major batlle lost count how many they were but a lot im not montenegrin so i dont know for sure and they had a major victory against austrians in ww1 and saved serbian army from destruction if u see stefans videos of ww1 also liberated themselfs in ww2 and fun fact in russo japanese war when a japanese samurai first meet european warior gues who was a montenegrin warior fighting for russia and japanese samurai lost sry for my eng not my native language
A really complicated region. I hope the US doesn't get involved in any of the regional conflicts that affected the old Yugoslavia in the 1990's. Really too complicated for the current crop of US State Department employees to grasp, especially ones from Ivy League Schools.
How large was the "Zelenaški pokret / Green" (Green movement ) tells you the fact that you can't find a single photo of that military unit, nor how their uniform looked like, not on the internet at least. I visited Historical Archive at Cetinje and I found few photos. All I can tell you that they had either civilian clothes with traditional Montenegrin cap/hat, or old Yugoslav Royal Army uniform, with wearing around the arm Montenegrin tricolor (red, blue, white) flag. The majority of that movement was based at Cetinje and the area in which they operated was Cetinje itself and villages around it. Sadly, in Yugoslav after WW2 history books and archives there are not many information nor talk about them, because in fact they weren't neither big neither strong neither important enemy to the Partisans. Also, they are the only military formation in Yugoslavia that haven't committed a single war crime throughout the whole war.
Yea, they didn't exactly have time for selfies because they were hiding through the forests etc. With that said there is still a lots of photos easily available, even on Google yet alone in Cetinje museum.... so mate, you're more than full of it. But something that doesn't suprise me from a Serbian which you most certainly are.
"Wherever I went, spies and hookers had to be paid in gold; only on Cetinje I got both for free" ( Quote attributed to Pirzio Biroli, military governor of Montenegro; in fact, the author was probably some Montenegrin who was not too fond of the inhabitants of the traditional capital, who consider(ed) themselves a cut above the rest of their countrymen) On a more serious note, Montenegro was the scene of some of the most dramatic fighting in Yugoslavia, as the German XXI Mountain Corps (ca. 50,000 men) became virtually cut off from the rest of the Army Group E in late 1944. It was the only campaign on the mainland in which British Army took active part (search for "Floydforce" or "Floyd Force"). It would easily deserve a full episode.
Hungary is already widely covered on this channel. GERMAN INVASION OF HUNGARY: ua-cam.com/video/jfkoAfMm14Q/v-deo.html FASCIST HUNGARY: ua-cam.com/video/OaOXfwaA0Gw/v-deo.html BATTLE OF BUDAPEST: ua-cam.com/video/5Ehr9HAu9xk/v-deo.html Hungarian Fascist Party (Arrow Cross): ua-cam.com/video/002AmLTsL1k/v-deo.html
draza mihailovic help the Americans in operation hailyard after his death the us awarded him with the legion of merit and In May 2015, Mihailović's verdict was overturned on appeal by the Supreme Court of Cassation of Serbia, citing his trial and conviction as politically and ideologically motivated.
Draza Mihailovic was a supreme commander to Momcilo Djujic and his Dinara Battalion known for crazy atrocities towards non Serb civilians and collaboration with Italian fascists. Therefore he was a collaborationist scum. As such he got what he deserved. Serbia is the only ex Yugoslav country to revise ww2 history. They even raise monuments to their ww2 Nazis. I don't see any monuments to Frakelj, Natlacen or Rupnik in Slovenia, or to Pavelic in Croatia.
Do Bosnia during WW2 Muslim Factions (Green Cadres, Handzar Division, Husina Militia, Hadziefendic Militia), Croat Factions (Ustaša from Hercegovina, Domobrani, Black Legion Ustasa-Muslim legion), Serb Factions (Centiks from Krajina, Romanija, Hercegovina), last true battle of WW2 Odzak and Fazlagic Kula, Partisans Faction and AVNOJ, Titos legendary escapes from the Germans units like Division Brandenburg Lead by Otto Skorceny. Legendary battle of Neretva Bridge and Walter defend Sarajevo.
its great to hear about little known conflicts within ww2 - in little known countries... after the Hapsburg empire went belly up, creating Yugoslavia must have sounded a great idea .... but it was a hot mess!!! it looks like every ethnic group hated the others! ... it if weren't for Tito it would have all fragmented after ww2 ended.
Montnegro made the first army uprising in nazi ocupaied Europ in 1941, radio Moscow talked about how ,,Montenegrins didnt sureender" all Montnegrin peopel were in the partisans and were serbs were with the nazzis and italians, partisans librated Montnegro in 1944 ....
During the breakup of Yugoslavia, in the early '90s, they were allies with Serbia and attacked Croatia. Then, after the war, they wised up and became independent. And then there were attempts for Serbia to "swallow" them politically and territorially.
There were not chetniks in July 1941 uprising. While some future Chetniks did take part in July Uprising, the uprising was organised and led by Partisans. Chetnik units Lašić and Đurišić were formed at the end of 1941, and this was one of causes for Leftist errors (partisans feared Montenegrin chetniks would turn againt them, as they did in Serbia or Croatia)
@History Hustle Montenegro in 2006 don't become independent he back independent in 2006 like he be befrore.And Podgorica is most bombed city in europe with Dresden even our alliance forces bomb us
Difference between Chetniks an Partisans was that Draza was Serb and Tito was Croat but soldiers were mostly Serbs. When enemies started to kill 100 Serbs for one German(Italian) Draza tried to save people but Tito didn't care. More civilians dead signifies more people that want to fight in his ranks. In the World war I, Tito fought against Serbs so I don't think he care much about them. Family Petrovic-Njegos were serbian royal family . You can learn about it from many documents and Petar II Petrovic Njegos writings. Montenegro always was "Serbian Sparta".
The people of Montenegro were tied to Russia in any way, so communist and royall Russia remained their only memory of Russia, the literate went to the Chetniks(white Montenegro) and Zelenasi(Green Montenegro)and a very small part of Zelenasi was with the Italians, so there was a war on 3 sides and 3 groups later becomes 4 groups,1st part Green and Fashists against White, 2nd part was fascists,green against communists and white, 3rd part Royallists (white and green) against communists and Italians which were faschists but becomes communists. Communuist Montenegro 40% ; Chetnik Royallists white Montenegro 40% ;Green Montenegro Royallists 15%,Albanians 5% and Italian fascists (unknown). Hint: Fashits(Italians) they were so confused,soo much weak in the fight that they daily surrendered, their entanglement between the Montenegrin warring people destroyed them so psychologically that they hid in houses and thus helped Montenegrin civilians with their livestock. That's why they got the name KokoŠari. Its sad story becouse united Montenegrins are a very powerful and strong nation, they managed to defend themselves against the Turks many times and inflict a great defeat on them in numerous battles, as well as against Germany in the First World War. I don't think the Italians knew where they were going, they knew they were entering a country where there was a civil war and they thought it would be easier to fight. but the only thing that surprised them was that the green Montenegrins are the biggest spies and sycophants. There were war crimes on all three sides, but i dont think Italians did any crime, never heard of it. So my advice to politicians from Europe, Russia and America who want war in the Balkans is to think 3 times.
Italia won world football Cup 1938.The whole italian team was im Montenegro during the ww2 .so ,Montenegro had the best football League in europe in the war time.,not so Many people know this.giuseppe Meazza played for FC.crnogorac cetinje.the rest of the tram mostly played for FC.obilic niksic and FC.balšić podgorica
A lot of lies. For example, you use a photo of the Chetniks of Duke Kosta Pećanac standing with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht in occupied Serbia as proof of the cooperation of the Chetniks of Draža with the Germans. Pećanac was not under Mihailović's command, but under Nedić's command.
Lies are intentional. I have no intentions of lying. Why would I? I'm not involved in today's Balkan squabbles about history. About the photo. I understand it's may have been taken somewhere else, but it is still representative for the situation. It doesn't qualify as 'a lie'. I also stated the Chetniks were very de-centralized: some units defected, others didn't.
@@HistoryHustle You who are not from the Balkans, but are from the West, have brought us all evil, including communism. You don't know and you claim something. The Yugoslav army in the homeland under the command of General Mihailović, better known as the Chetniks, were the only legal and legitimate army in Yugoslavia, which fought against fascists, Nazis and communists. In your photo, the Chetniks of Kosta Pećanac, who were not under Mihailović's command, but fought against Mihailović, and you equate them. 🇷🇸⚡🏴☠️☦️
AXIS INVASION of Yugoslavia (1941):
ua-cam.com/video/PGWRiN9Y4vg/v-deo.html
SLOVENIA during World War II:
ua-cam.com/video/75B7fO0jSrc/v-deo.html
CROATIA during World War II:
ua-cam.com/video/lpou33h-KrU/v-deo.html
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As a Montenegrin 🇲🇪, I can safely say that our participation in WW2 is the most underrated one
Thanks for watching.
woah look a montenegrin awoke for once
By whom? While many Montenegrins did fall under Serb-chetnik influence in both WW2 and more recent former Yugoslav wars, Montenegrins heroism in Yugoslav Partisan brigades was legendary too. This was very known and praised among former Yugoslavs.
@@ShejtanVrbaskiWe Montenegrins are Serbs and we are proud to have participated on the side of Serbia.
@@TimelineQ You are not spokesman of your entire nation. The second half consider themselves Montenegrins, with their own church, language, culture, heritage, they are ashamed for the atrocities they have done while being puppets of Serbia. As for the Serbs themselves, well, I salute all great individuals - there are some great ones for sure, but on a greater scale, unfortunately, you seem to be taking part of a collective hallucination and you cannot be helped.
Huge ! Really interested in the Red Terror and the fate of the Italian Army standalone videos you’ve mentioned but I guess the list is endless !
Thanks again.
So True, endless list.
Awesome episode!!
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Informative episode Stephan , thank you for sharing your knowledge of history. ✌️
Thanks Jesse.
Yugoslavia was so complex, just following all of the different factions is a huge task.
So true.
One could almost praise Tito for holding Yugoslavia together for so long.
@@j3lny425 Tito was a ruthless dictator, nothing to be praised about him.
@@locybapsi174 I can guarantee you have no family that lived in SFR Jugoslavia if you think that is true.
@@user-rk5cu5tg2g I do have. From three republics
8:36. What a beautiful landscape... By the way, "Montenegro" 🇲🇪 means "black hill", translating verbatim to portuguese language.
Obrigado!, Stefan! 🇧🇷
gora can also mean forest.
@@TheWedabest In which language, brother? Thanks!
@@marcoskehl bosnian and I'm really sure croatian and Montenegrin. You're welcome bro.
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Montenegro has a beautiful landscape yes.
Awesome videos as always Stefan!
Many thanks 👍
Nobody talks about this small realm in WWII. Very interesting video.
Thanks!
From Montenegro 🇲🇪 I am so glad this is being talked about! In Montenegrin history WW2 is very little. I beg of you to talk about the Christmas Uprising (1919) in its own video which precedes WW2 when Montenegro fought a minor independence war again Serbia. You did a great job talking about it in this video but I think it deserves its own video.
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Minor war where few hundred people participated and less than 10 were killed overall. It was not an uprising against Serbia but a conflict about which dynasty would rule the new kingdom.
Some in Montenegro supported their own King and some supported Serbian King which by the way was a grandson of Montenegrin king.
So kind of unfair to portray it as war of independence.
That wasn't independence war.
It wasn’t a war of independence, what you’re doing is politicaly inspired historical revisionism
Ayoo you here too lol sup!
Another masterly display on a very complex balcan issue. Thanks Stefan!
Many thanks!
We Montenegrins are Serbs. The only legal army at the beginning of World War II was the Yugoslav army.Partisans, Ustaše, VMRO were terrorist organizations. Allegedly, the partisans were anti-fascists, at the beginning of the war they first killed 2 Yugoslav gendarmes.And we can also talk about the Christmas uprising, after the assembly in Podgorica where there were two groups Green and White movement. The greens were for unification, but as a federal with autonomy, and the whites were for unconditional unification. They were all Serbs, but with different views on unification.Italy and the exiled government financed the insurgents who were not called "Committees" because the Committees were insurgents against the occupiers of 1914-18. And these were popularly known as "одметници
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Outlaws were bandits 80% in addition to rebels. One of the most famous was Petar Zvicer, who was allegedly killed by the troops of officer Kecmanović, who is actually from Bosnia and not from Serbia.Zviter killed Nikola Krivokapić, a wealthy merchant, the brother of Đok Lazarev Popović, who killed Selim Pasha at Vuči Dol. Besides them, there were about 70 other people with theft and dealings. He was killed by the neighbors of Cucci who could not watch the crimes. They killed his family with him and added 3 children who never existed and burned them.Of course, the Montenegrin nation has only started to exist since the advent of communism, where people were crossed out on the census to declare that they were Serbs, but they added t And in the declaration in the kingdom, there were 95% Serbs and 5% Albanians.hat they were Montenegrins.
Of course, politics today are held by politicians who recognized Kosovo, want to abolish the Cyrillic alphabet, the Serbian language, etc. These are the flyers who during Tito were communists, during the 90s the great Serbs, and now the "Montenegrins", NATO and the EU are lobbyists. We were forced to join NATO, and 85% of the people are for Russia, as they have been throughout history. And the state is not governed by ""democracy and by the will of the people already through foreign embassies.
@@TimelineQ You are not Montenegrin. So sad.You are just geografical place.
Thank you for the truth. Montenegrin is just a geographical term, we are Montenegrins, proud Serbs!
Its still nice to learn about countries in WW2 you will not have in school (Atleast in German schools)
Great!
I'm from Montenegro and I really enjoyed the video. Sadly I don't know a lot about history to really say any more than what was said. XD
Really cool that you visit the places you are talking about. 😁
Have a great day!
Great country. Thanks for sharing this!
I'm living in Montenegro since 2021. I'm so happy here !!!☺️ What a fantastic country! 👏
thanks for the video
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Allot Thanks Sir Stefan for sharing this informative & interesting Video
Thanks Mohammed.
Could you do a video sometime on the Green collaborationist forces? I've always been interested in the subject as I heard a lot about the Chetniks in Montenegro rather than the greens.
Hopefully one day.
Monnegrin this and then Montenegrin that. It’s so hard to keep up. It’s only less 500k people
Small nation yes.
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Not really a nation only geographical region...
Excellent work once more Stefan.How about doing a piece on Italian SS?
Lack of photos wont make me do tbis anytime soon.
Great Episode
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I really like when you make your videos on site. Where do you plan to go next (if that's not a secret)?
Thanks Artur! Next stop is Hamburg!
@@HistoryHustle Ah, nice! A great hanseatic city. Although, I suspect that you will be talking about its more recent history.
I hope you'll come back to Łódź one day. If I remember correctly, you made only some community posts but no videos here.
Great story as always Stefan!❤️🇨🇦
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Thanks for the broadcast. The history of WW2 gets very confusing in that part of Europe.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks love the channel excellent
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Thank you so much very good video
Thanks.
Hargh Thanks for the video. You are always having a unusual perspective on history. Thats great and thank you for that. This video though I have to see couple of times before I get the picture. It's very complicated😳😵💫😳😵💫
Thanks Scott!
Very interesting. Montenegro certainly has an interesting history 👌
Thanks for watching.
@@HistoryHustle Did we watch video Clip about chetniks and their commander general Draža Mihailović ?
Thanks for the history lesson.
Thanks Brad.
We Montenegrian are small but fight again all Gremany,Itali,Serbia,Albania even with Japan in history.I am so proud of our nation 🇲🇪💪♥️
Montenegrin are literally Serbs,where did you "fight" Serbs? You literally fought side by side with Serbs.Đurišić was under Serbian army command.Montenegro and Serbia is one country one ethnic group
@milanmazic5314 Don't lie yourself learn about 1918 and what hapend when Serbs army start wiped oud Montenegrian villages
we are serbs. always read the mountain wreath and you will learn. In Montenegro in 1905, 95% were Serbs in the census. The mercenary Italian army and a certain part of the 220 green movement participated in that battle. It was not a Serbian army, but a Yugoslav one, and it protected the territory from Italian pretensions.Sports greeting.
@@ghostofuchiha441 In 1918 few hundreds of people gathered around Petrovic Nikola King fought again Serbian rule. Montenegro had over 300k,so it cant be said that whole Montenegro had war with Serbia. Most of Montenegrins were on Serbian side
@@Milan_M95budale vukanova zemlja je donji dio sadasnje cg, dio raske je u cg, a onda se dignu i kazu ponosni montenegrin glupi ljudi. Ne znam dje su zvili ti ljudi
Like most of Yugoslavia during WWII, caught up between the rivalry of the Axis Powers as well as the rivalry between the resistance groups. Thank goodness they caught a break during the Yugoslav Wars and were not as badly affected as the rest. Take care, and thanks for another great video ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
They didn't catch break, their now president Milo lead Montenegro military reservists in destroying Dubrovnik and looting nearby croatian villages that were on the border. Nowadays Milo is big democrat and NATO allie.
Thanks for watching.
Chetniks (espesially those in Montenegro) were not resitance group. They were clear colaborationists
@@BokicaK1and the rest of them were either collaborationist scum or did nothing or close to nothing against nazis
Finally a non Anglo-American-centric history channel!
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Beautiful countryside Stefan!
Yes, sure was beautiful.
I was waiting for this one, I know some people from Montenegro and trading with them here in Belgium.
Hope you enjoyed the episode.
An other amazing video, great job. Next time you could make a standalone video about the rivalry between Chetniks and Partizans. Because I think the Chetniks are not that well known as the Partizans.
Thanks Michael. I hopefully will cover this in the future. Can't tell when though.
Why isn't the video listed?
It hasnt been out yet.
interesting stuff never really thought about montenegro during ww2
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@@wanderingwarrior5626 interesting, surely it is taught in history classes there
@@wanderingwarrior5626 well atleast they know something about the perioid, thanks for sharing
The Balkans in WWII, a much neglected and very complicated subject, which may explain the neglect. Well presented as ever.
Thanks!
Montenegro had unilaterally voted to become part of Serbia in 1918. Great people's Podgorica assembly part of which was my great, great grandfather Pop Bozo Vujošević, a pre war memeber of Montenegrin Parliament.
Split between the greens and whites happened as election for the assembly were held with greens not making good enough results, their name derived from the green paper their candidate list was printed on, while the whites had as the name suggests white paper. Whites were mostly represented by pre war Montenegrin opposition to King Nikola. But there were none opposing the unification, the idea of the greens was preserving Montenegrin uniqueness in terms of it's contribution in the struggle over the centuries for freedom, and they didn't cherish some notion of being against Serbs, as well as quite a few of the organizers openly considered themselves as such.
Overall the greens were federalists, greens of the Christmas uprising were not lead by same ideas as the greens during WWII.
Partizan left errors happened before the chetnik partizan split in Montenegro which happened substantially after the same split in Serbia and other parts.
Love your work and appreciate the time and effort you put into it! ❤️
Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing this.
How comes unilaterally when ruling dynasty was against the transferring power to the dynasty of Karadjordjevic,followed by it's supporters and significant part of the Parliament?
Christmas uprising in the 1919 was first military rebellion against both Serbian and new Kingdom of SCS rule.
They were from the very start anti Yugoslavia oriented, as well as the Croats politicians majority.
So ever since they acted together for the separation trough various political movements.
@@serdradion4010 Ruling Montenegrin dynasty was of course against transfering power to Serbian dynasty because they wanted that power for themselves, not because they were opposed to unification.
Montenegrin King Nikola is widely known as Serbian nationalist, you could even consider him an extreme Serbian nationalist. He, as well as all of Montenegro, wanted unity with Serbia. The issues began when it was to be decided who would rule the future country.
@@serdradion4010 Petrovic dynasty wasn't part of the parlament, logically, when I say unilaterally I mean that the elected assembly was in favor of it, and some if the greens were also a part of it. Christmas uprising wasn't too bloody of an affair and it ended with a series of talks between the leaders of whites and the greens casualties were extremely few and fighting only happened around Cetinje, which was besieged by the greens and it lasted only one day, the remaining timeline was filled with negotiations.
The ruling dynasty by the way had signed an agreement with the Obrenovic dynasty about unification with Serbia prior to these events obviously it never came to be due to death of Mihailo Obrenovic as well as subsequent fall of the house of Obrenovic, meaning that this idea of unification wasn't really foreign.
And when you say this you are ignoring the fact that the Karadjordjevic dynasty was living in Montenegro prior to their raise to power and future Kind Alexander was born and lived in Cetinje since he was a grandson of King Nikola.
Also on the side note at the same time the Kingdom of Montenegro ceased to exist, so did the Kingdom of Sebria.
This isn't comparable to IMRO activities and uprisings.
Also Croatian issue arises far later into the live of the new Kingdom, ustasa activities were scaresly supported by wider Croatian public in the inner war period.
Either way, I speak of these events through diaries of my forefathers who were active participants in these events.
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That is the point, no one wants to lose his job so just simply the other one can get it, even the other being his relative.
So with no agreement on the newly forming state management level, unifocation was ruled out by the official government of Montenegro.
For ther help, on Kings demand, came support of Royal family of Italia, with Italian Queen being King Nikola's daughter Jelena.
And Italy was an Ally of both states in the Great War,
and they acted against Italy's national interests.
Even later, Serbian Royals again opposed the Italian Royal family at the Treaty of Rapallo, between Kingdom of SCS and Italy , about the new borders and the partition of ex Austro -Hungarian territories, regarding the London agreement of 1915.
This time , due to Croats being the founders of the new Kingdom of SCS, they took the side of Croats, again against the former Great War ally Italy.
This greatly contributed to following Mussolini's taking power in the Parliament of Italy.
The Montenegrin Chetniks had more confidence in Nedić and the government of national salvation than to Draža Mihailović and his english allies.
It's a complicated history. Hope to cover more about the Chetniks in the future.
thanks Stefan - typically complex politics of the Balkans :)
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Kotor is an amazing place.
It has a Cat Museum 🐈 😻
I recommend Ulćin -Ulqin
Ulcinj!
Interesting.
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It's like in the Japanese movie Rashomon.
Many opposing sides forced to be in the same state.
Saw that movie long ago.
Montenegrins best wariors in history ottomans know that best and Byzantine empire by their defeats
Believe so yes.
Our ancestors were from families that were European crusading families...they became outlaws after fall of Serbian Despotate and Kingdom of Bosnia,Principality of Herzeg of St. Sava and Ragusa switching vassalage from Hungarian to Ottoman...all those people ( essentially Serb) by that time run to the Black Mountain and became hayduks and those first four counties and tribes in them and clans ( like my Cuce) were fiersless fighters against Ottomans while other Christian subjects outside those four counties were out enemies...What puzzles me is that with God's help our ancestors resisted and conquered the territory of those Christian Turkish subjects,enlarged it's teritory,were supplying Venice and Austria wth troops and border guards and were defeating Ottomans in the clashes were they outnumbered us twenty to one...We resettled Serbia and many other regions and we Montenegrins were progenitors of three Serb dinastys...I think sometimes that Asterix and Obelix comic characters and that whole comic narative has been inspired by Montenegrin history ( one little village in Gaul surrounded by enemy on all four sides is resisting the strongest invader that their world has known) ...It's like Montenegro from 1470d all the way till 1870d...three hundred years of struggle against the Ottoman Empire when we were little David fighting Golliath..
@@radomirratkovic9014 you are a people of heroes. By the way Asterix and Obelix is not a good example because it propagates the Celtic myth of France. France in the essence is a Germanic country called after the Franks, a Germanic people.
Did Montenegro already exist in the time of the Byzantine Empire?
@@johanvandermeulen9696 it was called doclea kingdom back then slav people same ppl as now although some reseachers saying that these people of montenegrin descent are from illyrian peoples and defeated twice byzantine army inflicting masive casualties the byzantines never again tried to conquer that part of land and if u see ottoman map from 1595 you will se small place called montenegro free back then these guys defeated the ottomans in every major batlle lost count how many they were but a lot im not montenegrin so i dont know for sure and they had a major victory against austrians in ww1 and saved serbian army from destruction if u see stefans videos of ww1 also liberated themselfs in ww2 and fun fact in russo japanese war when a japanese samurai first meet european warior gues who was a montenegrin warior fighting for russia and japanese samurai lost sry for my eng not my native language
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A really complicated region. I hope the US doesn't get involved in any of the regional conflicts that affected the old Yugoslavia in the 1990's. Really too complicated for the current crop of US State Department employees to grasp, especially ones from Ivy League Schools.
Complicated region indeed.
How large was the "Zelenaški pokret / Green" (Green movement ) tells you the fact that you can't find a single photo of that military unit, nor how their uniform looked like, not on the internet at least. I visited Historical Archive at Cetinje and I found few photos. All I can tell you that they had either civilian clothes with traditional Montenegrin cap/hat, or old Yugoslav Royal Army uniform, with wearing around the arm Montenegrin tricolor (red, blue, white) flag. The majority of that movement was based at Cetinje and the area in which they operated was Cetinje itself and villages around it. Sadly, in Yugoslav after WW2 history books and archives there are not many information nor talk about them, because in fact they weren't neither big neither strong neither important enemy to the Partisans. Also, they are the only military formation in Yugoslavia that haven't committed a single war crime throughout the whole war.
Thanks for sharing. I had one blurry photo from the museum in Cetinje, that was it.
Yea, they didn't exactly have time for selfies because they were hiding through the forests etc. With that said there is still a lots of photos easily available, even on Google yet alone in Cetinje museum.... so mate, you're more than full of it. But something that doesn't suprise me from a Serbian which you most certainly are.
@@vladimird5280 Serbian you say...as much as you are mate...😉
the assassination of the king of Yugoslavia was the first assassination caught on film before JFK who was the second
Believe so too yes.
Please do Bosnia during WWII!!
One day if I visit Sarajevo. Hopefully next summer.
I didn't know i wanted to know what happened in Montenegro in ww2.
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"Wherever I went, spies and hookers had to be paid in gold; only on Cetinje I got both for free"
( Quote attributed to Pirzio Biroli, military governor of Montenegro; in fact, the author was probably some Montenegrin who was not too fond of the inhabitants of the traditional capital, who consider(ed) themselves a cut above the rest of their countrymen)
On a more serious note, Montenegro was the scene of some of the most dramatic fighting in Yugoslavia, as the German XXI Mountain Corps (ca. 50,000 men) became virtually cut off from the rest of the Army Group E in late 1944. It was the only campaign on the mainland in which British Army took active part (search for "Floydforce" or "Floyd Force"). It would easily deserve a full episode.
Interesting quote...
Please do Hungary next?
Hungary is already widely covered on this channel.
GERMAN INVASION OF HUNGARY:
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FASCIST HUNGARY:
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BATTLE OF BUDAPEST:
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Hungarian Fascist Party (Arrow Cross):
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Restotre the House of Petrović-Njegoš!
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draza mihailovic help the Americans in operation hailyard after his death the us awarded him with the legion of merit and In May 2015, Mihailović's verdict was overturned on appeal by the Supreme Court of Cassation of Serbia, citing his trial and conviction as politically and ideologically motivated.
Thanks for sharing.
Draza Mihailovic was a supreme commander to Momcilo Djujic and his Dinara Battalion known for crazy atrocities towards non Serb civilians and collaboration with Italian fascists. Therefore he was a collaborationist scum. As such he got what he deserved. Serbia is the only ex Yugoslav country to revise ww2 history. They even raise monuments to their ww2 Nazis. I don't see any monuments to Frakelj, Natlacen or Rupnik in Slovenia, or to Pavelic in Croatia.
Stegan which european countries in ww2 have you not covered yet?
Loads, see playlist.
Do Bosnia during WW2 Muslim Factions (Green Cadres, Handzar Division, Husina Militia, Hadziefendic Militia), Croat Factions (Ustaša from Hercegovina, Domobrani, Black Legion Ustasa-Muslim legion), Serb Factions (Centiks from Krajina, Romanija, Hercegovina), last true battle of WW2 Odzak and Fazlagic Kula, Partisans Faction and AVNOJ, Titos legendary escapes from the Germans units like Division Brandenburg Lead by Otto Skorceny. Legendary battle of Neretva Bridge and Walter defend Sarajevo.
Much more to cover yes.
Looking forward for the Cambodia during World War II (1940-1945) episode.
Here it is:
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@@HistoryHustle Great! is there a Laos during WW2 episode?
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its great to hear about little known conflicts within ww2 - in little known countries... after the Hapsburg empire went belly up, creating Yugoslavia must have sounded a great idea .... but it was a hot mess!!! it looks like every ethnic group hated the others! ... it if weren't for Tito it would have all fragmented after ww2 ended.
Thanks for watching this one.
pls do bosnia in ww2!
This Summer I will record that one.
Montnegro made the first army uprising in nazi ocupaied Europ in 1941, radio Moscow talked about how ,,Montenegrins didnt sureender" all Montnegrin peopel were in the partisans and were serbs were with the nazzis and italians, partisans librated Montnegro in 1944 ....
It indeed caught the attention from abroad.
What is the state of modern Montenergo?
Montenergo does not exist. Montenegro is the right name. Black Mountain, Crna Gora.
Beautiful country.
During the breakup of Yugoslavia, in the early '90s, they were allies with Serbia and attacked Croatia. Then, after the war, they wised up and became independent. And then there were attempts for Serbia to "swallow" them politically and territorially.
Christmas uprising komiti 🇲🇪💪
Bice gorda bice slavna 🇲🇪♥️
13 th Jul uprising again Germany
There were not chetniks in July 1941 uprising. While some future Chetniks did take part in July Uprising, the uprising was organised and led by Partisans. Chetnik units Lašić and Đurišić were formed at the end of 1941, and this was one of causes for Leftist errors (partisans feared Montenegrin chetniks would turn againt them, as they did in Serbia or Croatia)
I read the Chetniks co-operated with this uprising.
@@HistoryHustle individuals, yes, but chetnik organization in Montenegro at summer of 1941. didn't exist.
Well, there were no division to Chetniks and Partizans until the beginning of 1942. Anyway Chetniks most of the time were acting like collaborators.
Well, thats what I say in the video.
one day you will be in ukraine talking about the history of the russian invasion, weird
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Iam not first :D
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@History Hustle Montenegro in 2006 don't become independent he back independent in 2006 like he be befrore.And Podgorica is most bombed city in europe with Dresden even our alliance forces bomb us
So Italians were captured bu Germans and weapons went to communists and yet the chtniks were colaborationist.
Pretty much. More details on it in another video I have madr.
@@HistoryHustle First upraising was in Nevesinje in 3rd June 1941.
Difference between Chetniks an Partisans was that Draza was Serb and Tito was Croat but soldiers were mostly Serbs. When enemies started to kill 100 Serbs for one German(Italian) Draza tried to save people but Tito didn't care. More civilians dead signifies more people that want to fight in his ranks. In the World war I, Tito fought against Serbs so I don't think he care much about them. Family Petrovic-Njegos were serbian royal family . You can learn about it from many documents and Petar II Petrovic Njegos writings. Montenegro always was "Serbian Sparta".
Hope to cover more about the Chetniks in the future.
The people of Montenegro were tied to Russia in any way, so communist and royall Russia remained their only memory of Russia, the literate went to the Chetniks(white Montenegro) and Zelenasi(Green Montenegro)and a very small part of Zelenasi was with the Italians, so there was a war on 3 sides and 3 groups later becomes 4 groups,1st part Green and Fashists against White, 2nd part was fascists,green against communists and white, 3rd part Royallists (white and green) against communists and Italians which were faschists but becomes communists.
Communuist Montenegro 40% ; Chetnik Royallists white Montenegro 40% ;Green Montenegro Royallists 15%,Albanians 5% and Italian fascists (unknown).
Hint: Fashits(Italians) they were so confused,soo much weak in the fight that they daily surrendered, their entanglement between the Montenegrin warring people destroyed them so psychologically that they hid in houses and thus helped Montenegrin civilians with their livestock.
That's why they got the name KokoŠari.
Its sad story becouse united Montenegrins are a very powerful and strong nation, they managed to defend themselves against the Turks many times and inflict a great defeat on them in numerous battles, as well as against Germany in the First World War.
I don't think the Italians knew where they were going, they knew they were entering a country where there was a civil war and they thought it would be easier to fight. but the only thing that surprised them was that the green Montenegrins are the biggest spies and sycophants.
There were war crimes on all three sides, but i dont think Italians did any crime, never heard of it.
So my advice to politicians from Europe, Russia and America who want war in the Balkans is to think 3 times.
Thanks for sharing. Hope to cover more about the Chetniks in the future.
Are u serb or somethin?
Nope, Dutch.
Are you a Ustasa or something???
Italia won world football Cup 1938.The whole italian team was im Montenegro during the ww2 .so ,Montenegro had the best football League in europe in the war time.,not so Many people know this.giuseppe Meazza played for FC.crnogorac cetinje.the rest of the tram mostly played for FC.obilic niksic and FC.balšić podgorica
Not to be ruled by Serbia, not Serbs since Montenegrins nationaly are Serbs
S'vjerom u Boga , Crnogorac do Groba 👆
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It is an English channel.
A lot of lies. For example, you use a photo of the Chetniks of Duke Kosta Pećanac standing with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht in occupied Serbia as proof of the cooperation of the Chetniks of Draža with the Germans. Pećanac was not under Mihailović's command, but under Nedić's command.
Lies are intentional. I have no intentions of lying. Why would I? I'm not involved in today's Balkan squabbles about history.
About the photo. I understand it's may have been taken somewhere else, but it is still representative for the situation. It doesn't qualify as 'a lie'. I also stated the Chetniks were very de-centralized: some units defected, others didn't.
@@HistoryHustle You who are not from the Balkans, but are from the West, have brought us all evil, including communism. You don't know and you claim something. The Yugoslav army in the homeland under the command of General Mihailović, better known as the Chetniks, were the only legal and legitimate army in Yugoslavia, which fought against fascists, Nazis and communists. In your photo, the Chetniks of Kosta Pećanac, who were not under Mihailović's command, but fought against Mihailović, and you equate them. 🇷🇸⚡🏴☠️☦️