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Thank you for your support and comments. You too have a great week.

Hi Lynden, the layout size is a little under 18ft x 8ft. Delighted you enjoyed the session. Thank you as always. Graeme.

@@crewelocoman5b161 That's a good size layout especially to get a good rake of wagons or coaches! Looking forward to your next video! Take care.

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Hi,Thank you kind sir for your comments, observations and interest. I'm delighted you enjoyed the session and yes, it is a Tri-ang 'Nellie/Polly' rebranded as a private owner Municipal Gas and Tar works shunter with appropriately branded wagons in place! Many thanks, Graeme

Hi, Many thanks again for your support and observations. The 9F was a Hornby 'weathered' version to which I added a top layer of weathering powders. It's dead easy! Graeme

Hi, Thank you for your comments and observations. Much appreciated!

Hi, Thank you for your observation. The answer is no. There has been some movement since I laid the track down twelve years ago and all my rolling stock has metal wheels highlighting the sound.

Hi, The Tri-ang 'Freightmaster' was quite something in its day, coming as it did when the most anyone could expect was a paltry three or four wagons or two or three coaches in a set. Many thanks for your contribution!

Yes, I totally agree. Such a classic set.

Thank you very much! Delighted you enjoyed.

Hi, Thank you very much indeed for your kind comment and support. Delighted you enjoyed the session.

Hi, Thank you for your comment and observations. They are certainly one of my favourites. Unfortunately if there are problems, mud sticks and an element of the self fulfilling prophecy can creep in. The problems appeared intractible at the time as they were unrelated and it was a case of trial and error. In the end, it came down to three things: boiler proportions/heating surface, blastpipe dimensions and low superheat. Once these were addressed, they were fine engines. Certainly their performances on the mainline in recent years have been splendid. I spoke with Albert Seymour, a former Newton Heath driver who was a regular on the scene in the late 90s-early 2000s (now sadly passed away) and stated that Leander was his favourite every time, and this from someone who also drove 46115, 6201and 46233. He took Leander up the Lickey unassisted with six behind the tender. I asked him about their 'reputation' as indifferent steamers and his view was that it all depends on how they are fired. Certainly Black 5s performed and steamed well no matter how badly they were treated. Best run I had was behind Leander in 2006/7? First time up Shap since 1967 with nine on. Shap was topped at 40mph and the sound was unforgettable, everything coming out of the chimney, smoke, steam, coal, sparks, fireman's boots...I'll never forget that stentorian roar.

The chap I spoke with seemed to agree they needed a little more detail to handle than a Black but we're capable of anything if treated with respect He drove them over the S&C route and out of St Pancras up through the old Midland road through the Derbyshire dales he said they were faultless as though they were designed for these secondary expess paasenger routes .especially on a filthy night when they were trying to make up time. keep up the good work 👏

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Hi, Thank you for your comment and sharing your memories. These are the moments we cherish above all and I'm delighted that the video has rekindled a memory for you. As you are probably aware I am a model railway enthusiast but for me it is a means to an end which is the recreation of the railway l knew. It is a great hobby with something for everyone but I find myself growing weary with the what seems to me be the endless moanfest everytime a manufacturer introduces a new model on the part of many in this hobby. I don't know where their interest lies or the motivation for that interest. But there again I'm from the Dublo and Tri-ang era when you took what was on offer and were glad of it! Thank you again. Graeme

Hi, Thank you for commenting. I too approached replacing the torpedo vents with some trepidation. However, it wasn't as difficult as I imagined. Grinding the mouldings down with a very small head worked a treat as it left a tiny indentations in the roof and the marks left a straight line along the roof. Placement using super glue was a bit fiddly leaving some glue marks but a couple of coats of grey paint saw to that. My main worry was them coming off but to this day they are all still intact. Fitting flush windows helped the overall look as well

Hi, You are most kind, thank you very much for your comment!

Hi, Thank you for your comments and input. Can't argue with that! Delighted you enjoyed the show! Cheers, Graeme👍

Hi, Thank you very much for your insights here, much appreciated. The build quality, solidity and visual finish are all part of the enduring appeal of these units. All my Wrenn and H.D. locos are in very good to pristine condition. The black Princess was a way of utilising the old chassis without the Walschaerts valve gear and minimal lining (cab and tender only) at a cheaper price. I used new replacement lining sheets to cover the cab, tender, running plate line and cylinders. I had to hand paint the boiler bands and wheel splashers!

Cheers👍

I know where you mean. That was Brunswick depot (8E, later 27F) a depot built by the Cheshire Lines Committee giving the Midland, Great Central and Great Northern direct access to the lucrative Liverpool docks traffic. It closed in 1961. It was one of the few Liverpool sheds to reguarly host ex LNE locos, ( B1s/17s J38/9s O1s/4s D11s) the others being Walton-on-the Hill and Aintree. Black 5s, 4Fs, 8Fs and Fairburn 2-6-4s dominated towards the end. The big 2-6-4 tanks worked the tightly timed Liverpool-Manchester trains regularly attaining 90mph and I believe the timings between the two cities have not really been bettered since, circa 35minutes depending on stops. Now, I could be wrong as you mentioned "Southport". The depot you would pass or rather avoid as the line goes through Bank Hall station from Lpl Exch. is Bank Hall MPD (27A later 8K) as that has the classic LMS coaling plant that you see on my layout. That area of Lpl was Kirkdale and I lived in Bootle from 1957-64. A short walk up Stanley Road past the "Commodore" cinema, cross the road and you could look down on Bank Hall depot and that huge coaling plant. That depot handled all the important expresses between Exchange and Glasgow and had a stud of 'Jubilees' for those rosters. 'Clans' and 'Brlts' were also regulars there from the Scottish end. 8K closed in 1966. You mention a new football stadium, that's probably the new home for Everton FC. I used to be an avid fan in the halcyon days (Ball, Harvey, Kendall, the 'holy trinity') up until the 2000s when I abandoned football altogether and all sport as it became too politicised (foreign players, managers, ownership). We had a black cat up until Nov'23. We now have two calico kittens which are a right old handful but they are getting better as they grow up!

Graeme thank you so much. As you'll note I have snippets of information and like Sherlock H you can then provide the details. Wonderful. I'm pleased with myself😊😅 ( oh dear ) for picking up on the coaling facility. at the location you mentioned ' I think it was a very large construction and I recall as a young lad being amazed at it. Your reference to Classes of locomotives on shed, mentioned the Jubilee Class - which reminded me of the shout we spotters would give as perhaps a Jubilee Class came thundering down Nr 1 Down " it's a Jub " maybe taking the down Red Rose. We watched from the bridge just before Mossley Hill Staion.where it went thru on the slightly curved platform and on to West Allerton - about which I have another vivid recollection .

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Hi, Thank you very much for your kind comment. Delighted you enjoyed the session!

Hi, Thank you very much indeed for your comment and observation. Delighted you enjoyed the session!

Hi, Thank you for your comment I'm delighted you enjoyed the session...and the noise!

Hello Stuart, long time no hear, no see🙂👍. Sorley missed I must say! Thank you indeed for your most welcome comment and observation. The red Coronation coaches date from the early 2000s, not the same as the latest blue ones. The ex Caledonian coaches behind the 'Scot' are exactly the same as the 1963 Tri-ang ones save for the far superior finish. Tri-ang and their successors never tooled any interiors for these coaches, but if you look carefully you will note that these do have interior compartments. They are 3D replacements. Cheers, Graeme

I don't know. Who says private railways don't work...?

Hi, always good to hear from you. Delighted you enjoyed the show! Ah, the ex Caledonian coaches, yes they are very smart, but did you notice the interior compartments and side corridors that were never tooled by Tri-ang nor their Hornby successors? A much needed lift given to their overall appearance and presence.

Hi, Thank you for your welcome comment. I'm delighted you enjoyed the session. It's a converted garage. You could get a car in but you'd never open the doors to get out that's for sure!. Cheers Graeme

@@crewelocoman5b161 I'm a huge LMS fan. I've got quite a few LMS locos and rolling stock and I used to run them on my Dad's layout in his loft. He passed away in 2020 and the house was sold so I've started building my own layout but nowhere near as big as his and certainly nowhere near as big as yours. An LMS Duchess at speed is a sight to behold, be it models or full size.

@@nigelcartwright5986 Thank you for sharing. Delighted to hear you are building a layout. It's a great hobby, something for all. The Princess Class are my personal favourites stemming from my father buying me Tri-ang's R258 The Princess Royal in 1960 which I still possess. If you wind back on my channel you will come across the latest Hornby offerings and further back again an overview of the three Tri-ang versions from the 1960s. You are quite right about Duchesses at speed. Many thanks, Graeme

Hello again, Delighted that you enjoyed the session. Much appreciated. Many thanks! Graeme

Hi Many thanks. I'm delighted it brought back memories for you. They are a precious commodity. Thank you. Graeme

Hi, Thank you for your welcome comment. Greatly appreciated! Graeme

Thank you again. I will take a look!

Hi, Thank you very much for your comments, observation and enthusiasm for the session! The layout is just an approximate recreation from my memories of what the railway looked like back in the day. Thank you again. Cheers, Graeme

Hi Martin, Thank you for your contribution here, most welcome. I think the speed achieved was 114mph on her inaugural run in June 1937 pipping 'Silver Link's' 112mph in 1935. Talking of interference, I travelled behind 'Hamilton' and 'Sutherland' on a number of occasions up Shap - I believe 'Blue Peter' held the record of 55mph at the time - and one of the 'Duchesses' was on course to equal or beat that record when the brakes were applied three quarters up Shap incline. I had my head out the window and clearly heard that tell-tale sound of the brakes on the coach wheels along with others. Initial thoughts were that is was a signal check. However, when the driver was asked, he knew nothing of it. The best climb up Shap I experienced was behind 'Sutherland' when there was a 40mph restiction through the Lune Gorge and Tebay so no chance of taking advantage of any speed at the foot of the climb. Instead, 'Sutherland' accelerated her train up Shap topping the summit at 50mph! No diesel at the rear either. Another memorable run was behind 'Leander' in 2006, first time since 1967 when she topped the summit a shade over 40mph with nine behind the tender in the pouring rain. Trams in Liverpool finished in 1957 and the remaining serviceable ones were transfered to Glasgow. Many thanks, Graeme

William Arthur Stanier? No, I'm not sure he is. However, he is the only Railway Engineer/CME apart from I.K. Brunel and George Stephenson to be bestowed Fellowship of the Royal Society.

Thanks Graeme for the extra / extra clarifying / interesting details. Appreciated. I recall seeing the flat topped Glasgow trams at Gibson St in Glasgow. This was a ' terminus " where they switched lines to head back into the City Centre. One of the questions to achieve the sew on badge for transport at Clearview Cubs and Scouts near Mossley Hill Church - went something like - which road vehicles can you pass on the inside. ? I got my badge , and became a Sixer of the Red Six. I still have the grey Scout Shirt !!!

Hi, Thank you again for your contribution here. Indeed! Why was the Dublo Euston-Watford EMU modelled with SR running numbers...?

Thank you, you are welcome. Yes I can vouch for that too. I travelled behind 46229 1996/7 over Shap; I was unfortunate to be seated in the only coach that was on BR leafspring bogies. It was like travelling on a bag of nails I can tell you! jolting, rough tirering same as travel in Mk 1s in the 70's. LMS vehicles were smoother and quieter although superficially the bogie looked similar. I can vouch for Gresley bogies. I travelled a lot on the EMUs on WCML between Crewe and Lime St and they were saddled with the Gresley design and were consistently smooth and comfortable at speed with no hint of the Mk 1 buck and jolt. They were so undershod particularly on heavy catering vehicles that the Regions took matters into their own hands and I recall seeing catering vehicles with Gresley bogies possibly before enough of the very substantial and excellent Commonwealths became available.

Hi, thank you for your kind comments and observations. It gives me pleasure to receive the comments I do and that provides me with the incentive to continue. Cheers, Graeme

Hi, I sometimes feel that parcels and sundries traffic is somewhat overlooked in the scheme of things in railway modelling. Surprising as the Railways produced an enormous amount of varied rolling stock to cater for this traffic.

Hi, Many thanks for your observation! Cheers, Graeme

Hi Lynden, Thank you for your endorsement. I wasn't aware there was a black streamliner from Hornby but I'm not sure I'd get one myself. The streamlined version was an edict that came down from the LMS board after the conventional design was virtually complete. The miracle is that the streamlined version looks as good as it does! But it needs the colour, go-faster stripes and polished details unlike the A4 in wartime black which was after all designed as a streamliner from the outset. Those blue Coronation Scot coaches must look fabulous and I was tempted myself. Problem becomes storage and more importantly small details dropping off! The lovely Stanier LMS coaches which I've owned for twenty years have lost nearly all their separately fitted door handles. I've been tempted by Southern Maunsell coaches but decided against it for those reasons and instead plumped for the Hornby '80s tooled Southern coaches. At least they can be neatly stacked in storage and they do look okay if not accurate in many respects! Cheers! Graeme

@@ЕвгенийМихайлов-к5н I don't know as I wasn't around. Get a book on the subject and let me know.

@@ЕвгенийМихайлов-к5н From 1940 onwards most LMS locomotives that originally received lined out crimson lake or lined out black livery before WW2 were repainted black no lining and yellow block lettering and numbers. This was not undertaken all at once but as and when repainting was required. Information about which engines received plain black and when is very scarce owing to the critical circumstaces at that time. Taking pictures could potentially land a person in prison. Some locomotives survived the whole of WW2 in their original 1930s livery. I have a picture of a Patriot 4-6-0 'The Bedfordshire and Herefordshire Regiment' in 1950 (2 years after Nationalisation) in 1930s lined out crimson lake livery still with LMS on the tender hauling a troop train from Southampton Docks. From 1946 some experimentation with liveries took place including revising pre-war liveries with simplified lining and lettering. Some locomotives emerged in an overall slate grey livery scheme before a final LMS scheme was finally agreed. For express engines this was black with lined out edgings in cream and maroon, sometimes referred to as 'cherry and straw'. This however only lasted until 1948 when the LMS became part of the nationalised 'British Railways' and the whole experimentation process started again. In truth, the lined out black with maroon and straw lasted a bit longer with 'British Railways' ownership being painted on the tender. Don't ask me about different lettering fonts as that is potentially an even bigger rabbit hole to disappear down!

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@@crewelocoman5b161 Thanks Graeme.

Thank you very much for your kind observation!👍

Hi, A pleasure to hear from you as always. The earlier 2000s version still look good and are reasonably available. Yes, the red coaches are hard to find. I was fortunate to get my hands on them when outlets were splitting them from sets. Many thanks for your comment! Graeme

Thank you for your comments, much appreciated. Hope you manage to secure a few more to complete a nice looking rake! Cheers, Graeme

Hi, Thank you indeed for your kind comments and observation. I am truly delighted that you enjoyed the session. Cheers! Graeme

Hello again, Hope you realise your ambitions soon! Thanking you for your interest and support. Graeme

Hi, Thank you for your kind comment. Delighted you enjoyed the view.

Thank you for your comment and contribution.

Hi, It's not a Johnson 'Spinner' really but near as I could get for the purposes of that session. It's the trusted Tri-ang-Hornby Caledonian Single decked out in LMS Crimson Lake livery. Thank you for your interest and comment!

​@crewelocoman5b161 ah, that explains it. I think Ace have a kit version of the Spinner.

Hi Martin, good to hear from you and to see comments on uploads fom a few years ago.

Many thanks for your comment. I thought this might strike a chord!

Thank you for your question. 48773 did receive the yellow cabside stripe which was applied circa post August 1964. Being one of the last 8Fs to be returned to BR stock in 1957 from the Longmoor Military Railway the WD fitted clack valves were deemed to exceed the height restriction imposed by the overhead electrification south of Crewe. 48773 was subsequently overhauled at Crewe in 1966 and had the WD clack valves removed but oddly retained the cabside stripe until withdrawal in 1968. 48775 might have had that stripe as well but I cannot be certain about that.

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful contribution to this growing thread. I think that the most revealing aspect aside from the interest of the units themselves is the personal memories that have been stirred and evoked. I never thought for one moment that when I decided to do this overview that it would generate the responses it has. Well, I'm delighted it has clarified the operational side of things for you. There are a few detailed insights from some respondents it might be worth checking out viz the units heating up on 'high resistance', essentially the voltage being throttled. Thank you again...enjoy the layout!👍

Hi, Thank you for your interest and comments! Delighted that you enjoyed the running session.