Hi, thank you for your kind comments and observations. It gives me pleasure to receive the comments I do and that provides me with the incentive to continue. Cheers, Graeme
smashing layout and choice of locos , the LMS/LNWR family etc always had a distinct feel and image and seemed to reflect the areas they operated individuality like the rest of the Big Four. The Jubilee and Scots probably my favourires though a Princess Royal/Coronation are worthy locos too.
Hello Stuart, long time no hear, no see🙂👍. Sorley missed I must say! Thank you indeed for your most welcome comment and observation. The red Coronation coaches date from the early 2000s, not the same as the latest blue ones. The ex Caledonian coaches behind the 'Scot' are exactly the same as the 1963 Tri-ang ones save for the far superior finish. Tri-ang and their successors never tooled any interiors for these coaches, but if you look carefully you will note that these do have interior compartments. They are 3D replacements. Cheers, Graeme
Hi, Thank you for your comment and sharing your memories. These are the moments we cherish above all and I'm delighted that the video has rekindled a memory for you. As you are probably aware I am a model railway enthusiast but for me it is a means to an end which is the recreation of the railway l knew. It is a great hobby with something for everyone but I find myself growing weary with the what seems to me be the endless moanfest everytime a manufacturer introduces a new model on the part of many in this hobby. I don't know where their interest lies or the motivation for that interest. But there again I'm from the Dublo and Tri-ang era when you took what was on offer and were glad of it! Thank you again. Graeme
Hi, always good to hear from you. Delighted you enjoyed the show! Ah, the ex Caledonian coaches, yes they are very smart, but did you notice the interior compartments and side corridors that were never tooled by Tri-ang nor their Hornby successors? A much needed lift given to their overall appearance and presence.
Hi. Absolutely beautiful. Love the streamliner and coach set , I have the same. A lovely layout , you should be very pleased. A nice selection of other stock too. Well done. Regards.
Hi, Thank you very much for your comments, observation and enthusiasm for the session! The layout is just an approximate recreation from my memories of what the railway looked like back in the day. Thank you again. Cheers, Graeme
Hi, Thank you for your welcome comment. I'm delighted you enjoyed the session. It's a converted garage. You could get a car in but you'd never open the doors to get out that's for sure!. Cheers Graeme
@@crewelocoman5b161 I'm a huge LMS fan. I've got quite a few LMS locos and rolling stock and I used to run them on my Dad's layout in his loft. He passed away in 2020 and the house was sold so I've started building my own layout but nowhere near as big as his and certainly nowhere near as big as yours. An LMS Duchess at speed is a sight to behold, be it models or full size.
@@nigelcartwright5986 Thank you for sharing. Delighted to hear you are building a layout. It's a great hobby, something for all. The Princess Class are my personal favourites stemming from my father buying me Tri-ang's R258 The Princess Royal in 1960 which I still possess. If you wind back on my channel you will come across the latest Hornby offerings and further back again an overview of the three Tri-ang versions from the 1960s. You are quite right about Duchesses at speed. Many thanks, Graeme
Great to see your LMS express passenger stock in action. I do like the streamlined locos. I recently got the new Hornby blue coaches although I do like the wartime black locos I have to say! Please keep the videos coming!
Hi Lynden, Thank you for your endorsement. I wasn't aware there was a black streamliner from Hornby but I'm not sure I'd get one myself. The streamlined version was an edict that came down from the LMS board after the conventional design was virtually complete. The miracle is that the streamlined version looks as good as it does! But it needs the colour, go-faster stripes and polished details unlike the A4 in wartime black which was after all designed as a streamliner from the outset. Those blue Coronation Scot coaches must look fabulous and I was tempted myself. Problem becomes storage and more importantly small details dropping off! The lovely Stanier LMS coaches which I've owned for twenty years have lost nearly all their separately fitted door handles. I've been tempted by Southern Maunsell coaches but decided against it for those reasons and instead plumped for the Hornby '80s tooled Southern coaches. At least they can be neatly stacked in storage and they do look okay if not accurate in many respects! Cheers! Graeme
@@ЕвгенийМихайлов-к5н From 1940 onwards most LMS locomotives that originally received lined out crimson lake or lined out black livery before WW2 were repainted black no lining and yellow block lettering and numbers. This was not undertaken all at once but as and when repainting was required. Information about which engines received plain black and when is very scarce owing to the critical circumstaces at that time. Taking pictures could potentially land a person in prison. Some locomotives survived the whole of WW2 in their original 1930s livery. I have a picture of a Patriot 4-6-0 'The Bedfordshire and Herefordshire Regiment' in 1950 (2 years after Nationalisation) in 1930s lined out crimson lake livery still with LMS on the tender hauling a troop train from Southampton Docks. From 1946 some experimentation with liveries took place including revising pre-war liveries with simplified lining and lettering. Some locomotives emerged in an overall slate grey livery scheme before a final LMS scheme was finally agreed. For express engines this was black with lined out edgings in cream and maroon, sometimes referred to as 'cherry and straw'. This however only lasted until 1948 when the LMS became part of the nationalised 'British Railways' and the whole experimentation process started again. In truth, the lined out black with maroon and straw lasted a bit longer with 'British Railways' ownership being painted on the tender. Don't ask me about different lettering fonts as that is potentially an even bigger rabbit hole to disappear down!
The coaling drop reminds me of the one which existed near to where the Garden Festival took place. and now a new football stadium. is planned. As a family when heading for a day at Southport we used to joke that's where our black cat Sooty went when 😢we lost her.
I know where you mean. That was Brunswick depot (8E, later 27F) a depot built by the Cheshire Lines Committee giving the Midland, Great Central and Great Northern direct access to the lucrative Liverpool docks traffic. It closed in 1961. It was one of the few Liverpool sheds to reguarly host ex LNE locos, ( B1s/17s J38/9s O1s/4s D11s) the others being Walton-on-the Hill and Aintree. Black 5s, 4Fs, 8Fs and Fairburn 2-6-4s dominated towards the end. The big 2-6-4 tanks worked the tightly timed Liverpool-Manchester trains regularly attaining 90mph and I believe the timings between the two cities have not really been bettered since, circa 35minutes depending on stops. Now, I could be wrong as you mentioned "Southport". The depot you would pass or rather avoid as the line goes through Bank Hall station from Lpl Exch. is Bank Hall MPD (27A later 8K) as that has the classic LMS coaling plant that you see on my layout. That area of Lpl was Kirkdale and I lived in Bootle from 1957-64. A short walk up Stanley Road past the "Commodore" cinema, cross the road and you could look down on Bank Hall depot and that huge coaling plant. That depot handled all the important expresses between Exchange and Glasgow and had a stud of 'Jubilees' for those rosters. 'Clans' and 'Brlts' were also regulars there from the Scottish end. 8K closed in 1966. You mention a new football stadium, that's probably the new home for Everton FC. I used to be an avid fan in the halcyon days (Ball, Harvey, Kendall, the 'holy trinity') up until the 2000s when I abandoned football altogether and all sport as it became too politicised (foreign players, managers, ownership). We had a black cat up until Nov'23. We now have two calico kittens which are a right old handful but they are getting better as they grow up!
Graeme thank you so much. As you'll note I have snippets of information and like Sherlock H you can then provide the details. Wonderful. I'm pleased with myself😊😅 ( oh dear ) for picking up on the coaling facility. at the location you mentioned ' I think it was a very large construction and I recall as a young lad being amazed at it. Your reference to Classes of locomotives on shed, mentioned the Jubilee Class - which reminded me of the shout we spotters would give as perhaps a Jubilee Class came thundering down Nr 1 Down " it's a Jub " maybe taking the down Red Rose. We watched from the bridge just before Mossley Hill Staion.where it went thru on the slightly curved platform and on to West Allerton - about which I have another vivid recollection .
A fabulous smooth running session video love it :). Quite shocked that I don’t have a streamlined coronation in my collection yet but I do have a rake of blue coronation coaches, though the red ones are hard to find
Hi, A pleasure to hear from you as always. The earlier 2000s version still look good and are reasonably available. Yes, the red coaches are hard to find. I was fortunate to get my hands on them when outlets were splitting them from sets. Many thanks for your comment! Graeme
Hi, I sometimes feel that parcels and sundries traffic is somewhat overlooked in the scheme of things in railway modelling. Surprising as the Railways produced an enormous amount of varied rolling stock to cater for this traffic.
Wonderful - the high noon of LMS ' - the beautiful streamline of the 1937 Corontion Scot - which I think held the record of around 100 mph until a year later when Mallard set the record. The Coronation stream lining also in the Tramcars which had been in Liverpool and then to Glasgow - or was it the other way round ? Coronation Scot at York now. seen recently when we visited. Sir Nigel Gresley stands proudly at Waverley - is Wm Stanier memorialise. Graeme I'm having bugs in my new phone ' reminds me of the problem Alan Peglers had with Flying Scotsman when going for the speed record - and it was interfered with - it certainly sounded that way in the LP. Best wishes - Alangate Road. and then Kylemore Avenue.
Hi Martin, Thank you for your contribution here, most welcome. I think the speed achieved was 114mph on her inaugural run in June 1937 pipping 'Silver Link's' 112mph in 1935. Talking of interference, I travelled behind 'Hamilton' and 'Sutherland' on a number of occasions up Shap - I believe 'Blue Peter' held the record of 55mph at the time - and one of the 'Duchesses' was on course to equal or beat that record when the brakes were applied three quarters up Shap incline. I had my head out the window and clearly heard that tell-tale sound of the brakes on the coach wheels along with others. Initial thoughts were that is was a signal check. However, when the driver was asked, he knew nothing of it. The best climb up Shap I experienced was behind 'Sutherland' when there was a 40mph restiction through the Lune Gorge and Tebay so no chance of taking advantage of any speed at the foot of the climb. Instead, 'Sutherland' accelerated her train up Shap topping the summit at 50mph! No diesel at the rear either. Another memorable run was behind 'Leander' in 2006, first time since 1967 when she topped the summit a shade over 40mph with nine behind the tender in the pouring rain. Trams in Liverpool finished in 1957 and the remaining serviceable ones were transfered to Glasgow. Many thanks, Graeme
William Arthur Stanier? No, I'm not sure he is. However, he is the only Railway Engineer/CME apart from I.K. Brunel and George Stephenson to be bestowed Fellowship of the Royal Society.
Thanks Graeme for the extra / extra clarifying / interesting details. Appreciated. I recall seeing the flat topped Glasgow trams at Gibson St in Glasgow. This was a ' terminus " where they switched lines to head back into the City Centre. One of the questions to achieve the sew on badge for transport at Clearview Cubs and Scouts near Mossley Hill Church - went something like - which road vehicles can you pass on the inside. ? I got my badge , and became a Sixer of the Red Six. I still have the grey Scout Shirt !!!
What a superb layout, you should be very proud. Thank you for uploading and I hope it gives you as much pleasure as it does me watching it.
Hi, thank you for your kind comments and observations. It gives me pleasure to receive the comments I do and that provides me with the incentive to continue.
Cheers,
Graeme
smashing layout and choice of locos , the LMS/LNWR family etc always had a distinct feel and image and seemed to reflect the areas they operated individuality like the rest of the Big Four. The Jubilee and Scots probably my favourires though a Princess Royal/Coronation are worthy locos too.
Hi, Thank you for your comments and input. Can't argue with that! Delighted you enjoyed the show!
Cheers,
Graeme👍
Excellent running session Graeme. Smooth as always, love the red coronation coaches
Hello Stuart, long time no hear, no see🙂👍. Sorley missed I must say! Thank you indeed for your most welcome comment and observation. The red Coronation coaches date from the early 2000s, not the same as the latest blue ones. The ex Caledonian coaches behind the 'Scot' are exactly the same as the 1963 Tri-ang ones save for the far superior finish. Tri-ang and their successors never tooled any interiors for these coaches, but if you look carefully you will note that these do have interior compartments. They are 3D replacements.
Cheers,
Graeme
Just love it, this is the era when my grandfather was a driver at Crewe south shed.
Hi, Thank you for your comment and sharing your memories. These are the moments we cherish above all and I'm delighted that the video has rekindled a memory for you. As you are probably aware I am a model railway enthusiast but for me it is a means to an end which is the recreation of the railway l knew. It is a great hobby with something for everyone but I find myself growing weary with the what seems to me be the endless moanfest everytime a manufacturer introduces a new model on the part of many in this hobby. I don't know where their interest lies or the motivation for that interest. But there again I'm from the Dublo and Tri-ang era when you took what was on offer and were glad of it!
Thank you again.
Graeme
just subscribed, your layout is amazing👍👍
Hi, Thank you very much indeed for your kind comment and support. Delighted you enjoyed the session.
Brilliant that’s a cracking layout ACE !!!!.
Hi, Thank you very much indeed for your comment and observation. Delighted you enjoyed the session!
Might have been my grandad driving the Duchess. Lovely session 👍
Hi Many thanks. I'm delighted it brought back memories for you. They are a precious commodity. Thank you.
Graeme
What a fabulous layout and those locos are my favourites. Thanks for posting this
Hi, Thank you indeed for your kind comments and observation. I am truly delighted that you enjoyed the session.
Cheers!
Graeme
As I keep on saying ,great layout . Always a pleasure to watch . Some nice ex Caledonian stock on there
Hi, always good to hear from you. Delighted you enjoyed the show! Ah, the ex Caledonian coaches, yes they are very smart, but did you notice the interior compartments and side corridors that were never tooled by Tri-ang nor their Hornby successors? A much needed lift given to their overall appearance and presence.
Another lovely running session.
Always nice to watch on your great layout.
Happy modelling
Hello again, Delighted that you enjoyed the session. Much appreciated.
Many thanks!
Graeme
I managed to find 4 Coro coaches here in New Zealand a few weeks ago, very exciting. Fantastic vid 🚂😁
Thank you for your comments, much appreciated. Hope you manage to secure a few more to complete a nice looking rake!
Cheers,
Graeme
Hi. Absolutely beautiful. Love the streamliner and coach set , I have the same. A lovely layout , you should be very pleased. A nice selection of other stock too. Well done. Regards.
Hi, Thank you very much for your comments, observation and enthusiasm for the session! The layout is just an approximate recreation from my memories of what the railway looked like back in the day. Thank you again.
Cheers,
Graeme
Awsome video, love the noise!
Hi, Thank you for your comment I'm delighted you enjoyed the session...and the noise!
A very good running Session - I have quite a few of LMS Locos as well!!! 😉🤔🚂🚂🚂
Thank you again. I will take a look!
good one
Cheers👍
What a fantastic layout. I wish I had the room!
Hi, Thank you for your welcome comment. I'm delighted you enjoyed the session. It's a converted garage. You could get a car in but you'd never open the doors to get out that's for sure!.
Cheers
Graeme
@@crewelocoman5b161 I'm a huge LMS fan. I've got quite a few LMS locos and rolling stock and I used to run them on my Dad's layout in his loft. He passed away in 2020 and the house was sold so I've started building my own layout but nowhere near as big as his and certainly nowhere near as big as yours. An LMS Duchess at speed is a sight to behold, be it models or full size.
@@nigelcartwright5986 Thank you for sharing. Delighted to hear you are building a layout. It's a great hobby, something for all. The Princess Class are my personal favourites stemming from my father buying me Tri-ang's R258 The Princess Royal in 1960 which I still possess. If you wind back on my channel you will come across the latest Hornby offerings and further back again an overview of the three Tri-ang versions from the 1960s. You are quite right about Duchesses at speed.
Many thanks,
Graeme
Great to see your LMS express passenger stock in action. I do like the streamlined locos. I recently got the new Hornby blue coaches although I do like the wartime black locos I have to say!
Please keep the videos coming!
Hi Lynden, Thank you for your endorsement. I wasn't aware there was a black streamliner from Hornby but I'm not sure I'd get one myself. The streamlined version was an edict that came down from the LMS board after the conventional design was virtually complete. The miracle is that the streamlined version looks as good as it does! But it needs the colour, go-faster stripes and polished details unlike the A4 in wartime black which was after all designed as a streamliner from the outset. Those blue Coronation Scot coaches must look fabulous and I was tempted myself. Problem becomes storage and more importantly small details dropping off! The lovely Stanier LMS coaches which I've owned for twenty years have lost nearly all their separately fitted door handles. I've been tempted by Southern Maunsell coaches but decided against it for those reasons and instead plumped for the Hornby '80s tooled Southern coaches. At least they can be neatly stacked in storage and they do look okay if not accurate in many respects!
Cheers!
Graeme
@@ЕвгенийМихайлов-к5н I don't know as I wasn't around. Get a book on the subject and let me know.
@@ЕвгенийМихайлов-к5н From 1940 onwards most LMS locomotives that originally received lined out crimson lake or lined out black livery before WW2 were repainted black no lining and yellow block lettering and numbers. This was not undertaken all at once but as and when repainting was required. Information about which engines received plain black and when is very scarce owing to the critical circumstaces at that time. Taking pictures could potentially land a person in prison. Some locomotives survived the whole of WW2 in their original 1930s livery. I have a picture of a Patriot 4-6-0 'The Bedfordshire and Herefordshire Regiment' in 1950 (2 years after Nationalisation) in 1930s lined out crimson lake livery still with LMS on the tender hauling a troop train from Southampton Docks.
From 1946 some experimentation with liveries took place including revising pre-war liveries with simplified lining and lettering. Some locomotives emerged in an overall slate grey livery scheme before a final LMS scheme was finally agreed. For express engines this was black with lined out edgings in cream and maroon, sometimes referred to as 'cherry and straw'. This however only lasted until 1948 when the LMS became part of the nationalised 'British Railways' and the whole experimentation process started again. In truth, the lined out black with maroon and straw lasted a bit longer with 'British Railways' ownership being painted on the tender. Don't ask me about different lettering fonts as that is potentially an even bigger rabbit hole to disappear down!
@@lyndengrant1657 🙂
@@crewelocoman5b161 Thanks Graeme.
Simply beautiful.
Hi, Thank you for your welcome comment. Greatly appreciated!
Graeme
Nice layout!!!😊
Thank you very much for your kind observation!👍
The coaling drop reminds me of the one which existed near to where the Garden Festival took place. and now a new football stadium. is planned. As a family when heading for a day at Southport we used to joke that's where our black cat Sooty went when 😢we lost her.
I know where you mean. That was Brunswick depot (8E, later 27F) a depot built by the Cheshire Lines Committee giving the Midland, Great Central and Great Northern direct access to the lucrative Liverpool docks traffic. It closed in 1961. It was one of the few Liverpool sheds to reguarly host ex LNE locos, ( B1s/17s J38/9s O1s/4s D11s) the others being Walton-on-the Hill and Aintree. Black 5s, 4Fs, 8Fs and Fairburn 2-6-4s dominated towards the end. The big 2-6-4 tanks worked the tightly timed Liverpool-Manchester trains regularly attaining 90mph and I believe the timings between the two cities have not really been bettered since, circa 35minutes depending on stops. Now, I could be wrong as you mentioned "Southport". The depot you would pass or rather avoid as the line goes through Bank Hall station from Lpl Exch. is Bank Hall MPD (27A later 8K) as that has the classic LMS coaling plant that you see on my layout. That area of Lpl was Kirkdale and I lived in Bootle from 1957-64. A short walk up Stanley Road past the "Commodore" cinema, cross the road and you could look down on Bank Hall depot and that huge coaling plant. That depot handled all the important expresses between Exchange and Glasgow and had a stud of 'Jubilees' for those rosters. 'Clans' and 'Brlts' were also regulars there from the Scottish end. 8K closed in 1966.
You mention a new football stadium, that's probably the new home for Everton FC. I used to be an avid fan in the halcyon days (Ball, Harvey, Kendall, the 'holy trinity') up until the 2000s when I abandoned football altogether and all sport as it became too politicised (foreign players, managers, ownership).
We had a black cat up until Nov'23. We now have two calico kittens which are a right old handful but they are getting better as they grow up!
Graeme thank you so much. As you'll note I have snippets of information and like Sherlock H you can then provide the details. Wonderful. I'm pleased with myself😊😅 ( oh dear ) for picking up on the coaling facility. at the location you mentioned ' I think it was a very large construction and I recall as a young lad being amazed at it. Your reference to Classes of locomotives on shed, mentioned the Jubilee Class - which reminded me of the shout we spotters would give as perhaps a Jubilee Class came thundering down Nr 1 Down " it's a Jub " maybe taking the down Red Rose. We watched from the bridge just before Mossley Hill Staion.where it went thru on the slightly curved platform and on to West Allerton - about which I have another vivid recollection .
@@martinanderson4721 👍
A fabulous smooth running session video love it :). Quite shocked that I don’t have a streamlined coronation in my collection yet but I do have a rake of blue coronation coaches, though the red ones are hard to find
Hi, A pleasure to hear from you as always. The earlier 2000s version still look good and are reasonably available. Yes, the red coaches are hard to find. I was fortunate to get my hands on them when outlets were splitting them from sets.
Many thanks for your comment!
Graeme
Nice to see the stove R and a couple of period 1/2 coaches.
Hi, I sometimes feel that parcels and sundries traffic is somewhat overlooked in the scheme of things in railway modelling. Surprising as the Railways produced an enormous amount of varied rolling stock to cater for this traffic.
Terrific! Missing my model railway , but maybe in a year or two something will be running again.
Hello again, Hope you realise your ambitions soon! Thanking you for your interest and support.
Graeme
Wonderful - the high noon of LMS ' - the beautiful streamline of the 1937 Corontion Scot - which I think held the record of around 100 mph until a year later when Mallard set the record. The Coronation stream lining also in the Tramcars which had been in Liverpool and then to Glasgow - or was it the other way round ? Coronation Scot at York now. seen recently when we visited. Sir Nigel Gresley stands proudly at Waverley - is Wm Stanier memorialise.
Graeme I'm having bugs in my new phone ' reminds me of the problem Alan Peglers had with Flying Scotsman when going for the speed record - and it was interfered with - it certainly sounded that way in the LP. Best wishes - Alangate Road. and then Kylemore Avenue.
Hi Martin, Thank you for your contribution here, most welcome. I think the speed achieved was 114mph on her inaugural run in June 1937 pipping 'Silver Link's' 112mph in 1935. Talking of interference, I travelled behind 'Hamilton' and 'Sutherland' on a number of occasions up Shap - I believe 'Blue Peter' held the record of 55mph at the time - and one of the 'Duchesses' was on course to equal or beat that record when the brakes were applied three quarters up Shap incline. I had my head out the window and clearly heard that tell-tale sound of the brakes on the coach wheels along with others. Initial thoughts were that is was a signal check. However, when the driver was asked, he knew nothing of it.
The best climb up Shap I experienced was behind 'Sutherland' when there was a 40mph restiction through the Lune Gorge and Tebay so no chance of taking advantage of any speed at the foot of the climb. Instead, 'Sutherland' accelerated her train up Shap topping the summit at 50mph! No diesel at the rear either. Another memorable run was behind 'Leander' in 2006, first time since 1967 when she topped the summit a shade over 40mph with nine behind the tender in the pouring rain.
Trams in Liverpool finished in 1957 and the remaining serviceable ones were transfered to Glasgow.
Many thanks,
Graeme
William Arthur Stanier? No, I'm not sure he is. However, he is the only Railway Engineer/CME apart from I.K. Brunel and George Stephenson to be bestowed Fellowship of the Royal Society.
Thanks Graeme for the extra / extra clarifying / interesting details. Appreciated.
I recall seeing the flat topped Glasgow trams at Gibson St in Glasgow. This was a ' terminus " where they switched lines to head back into the City Centre. One of the questions to achieve the sew on badge for transport at Clearview Cubs and Scouts near Mossley Hill Church - went something like - which road vehicles can you pass on the inside. ? I got my badge , and became a Sixer of the Red Six. I still have the grey Scout Shirt !!!
Who says private railways don't work?
I don't know. Who says private railways don't work...?
You beauty
Hi, Many thanks for your observation!
Cheers,
Graeme