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The reality is that healing high tier content is basically playing a dps and managing cooldowns and timing you burst rotation exactly right. In regards to raid, the same is true. Max himself has stated that his best healers were always insane dps because that is what is required. Perfect timing and high throughput rotations. A lot of healers play healer because they are specifically bad at that so they are all complaining that they have to do what they don’t want to do. There is no alternative. If endlessly scaling content stops scaling in healing then it would be boring and healers would feel… unnecessary. There is zero solution to this problem, if you make damage the limiting factor people will just pull bigger which will in turn make it back into a healing check. Just accept that endlessly scaling mythic dungeons will always require you to top the group super fast and use defensives properly and if you don’t like that don’t play mythic plus.

I like that you're talking about how the health bars mechanically move because that's core to what makes healing in WoW so fun and addicting and worth it. When the bars move bad the game feels bad.

Tuning seems really odd this time around, in DF while there were these kinds of issues at least from a pvp perspective it felt like they more nerf-chiseled instead of the nerf hammering of old... and they nerfed everything that was a complete outlier even if it might not have been enough. This xpac at least so far we've seen things that were blatantly overpowered from beta not only remain overpowered by in some cases they even got buffed?? It feels like there's completely different humans doing the tuning which may very well be the case. As far as the 'definition of insanity' stuff goes, I learned this lesson the hard way back when they started designing the game in a direction I hated... its not gonna change anytime soon. You may get a slight shift in an xpac or two... but barring that the "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" is on us for continuing to do this even though we know what's going to happen. What I ended up learning all them years ago is you have to find your fun despite the bullshit, or move on.

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Nerfing hpal this patch is a head scratcher. I am 621ilvl and I feel like unless I have a cd my heals were designed to top off someone from last expac. I feel like they take a fun spec that I truly enjoy as healer and they are about to make me want to drop the class because its going to be incredibly underpowered.

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I assumed TL was health potting the wrest based on how quickly their health went up 🤔 If that’s pres ramp/burst that’s crazy

Hey Theun, I really appreciate your videos and think you make a lot of good points about M+ in this rant, but I think you missed the mark on parts of raid a little. When I stepped into Nerubar Palace for the first time I was pleasantly surprised by the healing profile of many of the bosses. I think you correctly called out Ansurek and even Silken Court as being bursty nightmares, but the last two bosses being sinners doesn't prevent the first 6 from being saints. I feel like a LOT of the damage in the first 6 bosses have multiple dots that we fight against, not huge burst one after another like Rashok. I think theyre on the right track with bosses like Bloodbound Horror. Healing absorbs mean you arent directly in danger, so theyre a cool way of requiring a lot of healing without stamina-checking the character. They also appear frequently, and in waves (whole raid doesnt get them all in the same microsecond, they accumulate). While the fights still have some burst, those abilities do maybe 50% of my health, which feels fair to me. I do completely agree with the compounding effects of talent trees + tier sets + hero talents... I've started to mentally block out certain buttons because I know that since I didnt take the talents for them (or they dont have supporting talents), they're not passable as heals.

This is why I hate the current mythic+ iteration. It is designed for failure and wasting time. One mistake from a DPS can cause a wipe and everyone abandons the key. How is that fun? As if it couldn’t get worse, after the season ends, months of practice and knowledge for a set of dungeons is completely erased and we have to start all over again. Removing the death penalty and simply adding new dungeons without removing the old ones would harbor a much less toxic environment for mythic+

I must just suck but my resto shaman heals don’t come anywhere close to filling back up health bars at least not with the push of one button. Takes about 6 healing surges to fill a tank back up

As a resto druid, watching these pres evoker PoVs is hilarious. They're just flying around looking like they're doing nothing and just instantly healing the entire raid to full. Meanwhile I'm trying to time ramps and cds perfectly to get even close to that healing and even then it at least takes a bit of time due to hots, rather than this ridiculous instant top to full.

Here we go again into the cycle of valuable feedback from players and Blizzard be like „feed what?“

buff mw

Is it an American thing using "whenever" instead of "when" in all cases? I've noticed most WoW content creators who are American do that.

Tanking got worse so healing could thrive

healing feels miserable since shadowlands, pls help blizz

Insane- in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill.

Blizzard devs might be the worst in the industry when it comes to balancing their game. It's embarassing how dogshit they are.

Hpal: 2nd best healer in raid due to a bug -> gets nerfed into C tier in M+ for the third season straight

Healers are always complaining. They are never satisfied. If you want less defensives etc. Go play Classic, maybe that's a better game for you. For once healers actually have to do their role, as in heal and heal a lot, they complain. Its pathetic. Just do your job and quit whining. There isn't too much stuff in the game, more is better. More means more engaging gameplay, up to a certain point. There is classic for a reason. I would also like to add, that if your dps or tanks die, its usually their fault and they need to learn to play.

It feels like they dont care enoigh about healing being good to make big enough changes quickly enough. They need to do something crazy like double health and slash defensives but they just don't have the nuts to risk it it seems.

I think shamans strength in m+ is overrated. Every healer can do these high keys, it's just that rsham slots nicely into the God comp (dk Aug mage/boomy pwarrior sham). Only healer that feels like it struggles in keys is druid.

on the prooning difensives i think its funny cos thy kinda did that to monk like ww and mw have the same amount of ative defensive buttens as thy did in sl/bfa but still have way more passive difensives but its still the only class i can think of that lost a difensive in df/tww

Tuning post came out about an hour after this video 🙃 Your point about Kyvexa is interesting though. The entire back half of the raid was overtuned. Blizzard just hasn’t found a balance of “difficult, but not spiky where mobs aren’t just sponges.” Your point about defensives and CC is great, but it doesn’t really matter for lower keys if nobody is pressing those buttons or taking those talents. From my perspective as a (rather awful) pug healer, trash packs with elites now have more going on than boss fights. Cognitive load is insanely high. Mobs have way too many dots, standing in puddles almost kills before players can react (heal or step out), and despite everyone having interrupts the only ones that matter is hard cc because trash will just restart their cast again which is still doing a bit too much damage. Ex. Running with a DK tank is an exercise in ptsd because now their health bars are even more bouncy than in DF.

Ayo Theun! While I normally tend to agree with you, this time I'm not fully onboard. While I do agree that the situation isn't much changed for the very top end of players (RWF/HoF + title pushers doing high keys early), I actually feel like the overall experience is changed for the better for "the rest of us". That's not say to it's 'solved' or anything, but I feel markedly less stressed about getting one-tapped in +10s than I would in previous seasons equivalent keys (with equivalent gear), and the raid bosses I have done so far on Mythic (4/8 so far, on Ovi'Nax now) feel somewhat less entirely about giga burst healing in key moments. I've heard the same from the other healers in my raid team as well, for corroboration (though very anecdotal). I do agree that there's still a ways to go, and for what it's worth I've seen key Blizzard leads confirm that they are considering pruning defensives but it didn't make the cut for this season/TWW due to other things taking prio (Hero Talents mainly). tl;dr To me, it seems like for the top end players it's very much the same, but for those coming in behind the situation feels improved. Still a ways to go, but I think we're on the right track at least.

I hope they stay the same with healing tbh especially keys were the most unfun shit in SL and i never want to go back to that time.

Honestly, one of best takes Theun has made. As a pug healer doing 10/11s I 100% agree. People being one shot or not being able to dispel multiple people at once always ends up with "Healer???" but its the gameplay design issue overall.

They are desperate to get people playing Evoker because it www such a failure. Now they have to keep them OP for the rerolls

Onpoint as always!

what a joke

Rdruid one-trick since cata here: I wish I could upvote this more than once.

Engulf getting 20% more heal yay

Remember their big post when they nerfed tanks and they sounded like they MAYBE understood? Good to see they didnt do anything about it and failed all their intended goals. The only thing they succeeded with is making tanks die to white swings now because the healer has to panic heal everybody and can't slam heals into the much squishier tank

As a holy priest whose class was not viable inDF until season 4, I’m in a much better place S1tww. I might not be the best healing class but my healing efficacy is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was in DF. Healing feels much more meaningful.

They will say the same things again "oh we can't prune defensives mid expansion". Then the next expansion will come around and they still won't prune defensives.

Nerf all healing cds to be down to 15% healing increase.

There is not a whole lot you can do other than praying everybody presses their defensiv at the right moment. A water shield buff would be nice.

see you in 6 months when player stamina and enemy damage are buffed by another 30% <3

Enjoy your pizza Theun

Pres was fine. It's ok for a harder healing spec that's basically blanket healing the entire time to be ahead of spot healers. Outside of RWF we see them being on average the 4th most used healer in Mythic raiding. And with now rising ilvl we've seen MW and Holy be able to surpass Pres on fights like Broodtwister, in HPS.

I play shaman healer this iseason, it's fun as fuck. I like the dynamic of the damage intake and how fast i can top ppl off. Makes using defensives meaningful and eliminates 4dps meta.

bro it took you 3 minutes to get to a single point, come on man

mmm pizza

I'm a pug healer holy pala got KSH every season pugging since SL S1 and I'll be checking out and hoping I get boosted by my guild after reading the balance changes today fuck these devs.

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Do you ever pick Wellspring or Unleash Life with riptid farseer m+ builds? What do you exchange them for in that case

Thank god. i knew you would have a shaman guide.

Playing a totemic resto shaman feels like healing as Batman. I have 10 totems on my bar, one of them ought to save these guys.

Bless you ❤❤❤ Especially the suggested swaps. I find the talent trees overwhelming dungeon to dungeon a lot of times when I need to swap just one thing. ❤❤❤