They will say the same things again "oh we can't prune defensives mid expansion". Then the next expansion will come around and they still won't prune defensives.
@@NemXX2 No because it leads to an defensive arms race where you then want the classes that have 2-3 defensives and not the ones with only 1 or 2. The point I'm making is shift it back to the healer just healing the damage instead of the healer TRYING to heal the damage and hoping the dps press their defensives or they die.
they want to keep them for most casual content and irrelevant content aka delves and still you have to be a tank or dk retri to heal through 70% white hits like having 3 defensives matter anything
Honestly, one of best takes Theun has made. As a pug healer doing 10/11s I 100% agree. People being one shot or not being able to dispel multiple people at once always ends up with "Healer???" but its the gameplay design issue overall.
I am doing 11 keys and I haven’t noticed people getting one shot by anything unless it’s something that should 1 shot them (like getting slammed by avoidable boss attack) You barely ever need to dispel more than one person at a time, don’t know what you’re talking about. Just heal through the affix if you can’t Dispell more than 2 people.
As a resto druid, watching these pres evoker PoVs is hilarious. They're just flying around looking like they're doing nothing and just instantly healing the entire raid to full. Meanwhile I'm trying to time ramps and cds perfectly to get even close to that healing and even then it at least takes a bit of time due to hots, rather than this ridiculous instant top to full.
Hey Theun, I really appreciate your videos and think you make a lot of good points about M+ in this rant, but I think you missed the mark on parts of raid a little. When I stepped into Nerubar Palace for the first time I was pleasantly surprised by the healing profile of many of the bosses. I think you correctly called out Ansurek and even Silken Court as being bursty nightmares, but the last two bosses being sinners doesn't prevent the first 6 from being saints. I feel like a LOT of the damage in the first 6 bosses have multiple dots that we fight against, not huge burst one after another like Rashok. I think theyre on the right track with bosses like Bloodbound Horror. Healing absorbs mean you arent directly in danger, so theyre a cool way of requiring a lot of healing without stamina-checking the character. They also appear frequently, and in waves (whole raid doesnt get them all in the same microsecond, they accumulate). While the fights still have some burst, those abilities do maybe 50% of my health, which feels fair to me. I do completely agree with the compounding effects of talent trees + tier sets + hero talents... I've started to mentally block out certain buttons because I know that since I didnt take the talents for them (or they dont have supporting talents), they're not passable as heals.
I like that you're talking about how the health bars mechanically move because that's core to what makes healing in WoW so fun and addicting and worth it. When the bars move bad the game feels bad.
Remember their big post when they nerfed tanks and they sounded like they MAYBE understood? Good to see they didnt do anything about it and failed all their intended goals. The only thing they succeeded with is making tanks die to white swings now because the healer has to panic heal everybody and can't slam heals into the much squishier tank
I really love how I can't deathstrike twice in a row anymore and bloodshield is basicly worthless now but atleast my armor is still the same as before 🙃
@@Telados doing +10's in pugs just fine. Most players have a good idea of what they are doing. At low keys you get players who are bad and have no clue. The solution is to push your own key. It is a bit of a grind, but not too bad. Most runs i do we time or are very close to timing.
@@Manakuski It's definitely a huge struggle in the 7-8 range atm. I'm exclusively inviting people with decent io scores and it's a total coinflip. I'm getting a bunch of DPS who press defensives... just after the biggest instance of damage. And I know they don't have a single health potion even though they're 10g each. I ran a 7 dawnbreaker yesterday to get my last score for KSM and had a prot warrior who pressed shield block a single time in the whole dungeon. I saw my cell tank mitigation indicator pop up once. 10 range sounds like paradise, I'm just not there yet.
Tuning post came out about an hour after this video 🙃 Your point about Kyvexa is interesting though. The entire back half of the raid was overtuned. Blizzard just hasn’t found a balance of “difficult, but not spiky where mobs aren’t just sponges.” Your point about defensives and CC is great, but it doesn’t really matter for lower keys if nobody is pressing those buttons or taking those talents. From my perspective as a (rather awful) pug healer, trash packs with elites now have more going on than boss fights. Cognitive load is insanely high. Mobs have way too many dots, standing in puddles almost kills before players can react (heal or step out), and despite everyone having interrupts the only ones that matter is hard cc because trash will just restart their cast again which is still doing a bit too much damage. Ex. Running with a DK tank is an exercise in ptsd because now their health bars are even more bouncy than in DF.
I must just suck but my resto shaman heals don’t come anywhere close to filling back up health bars at least not with the push of one button. Takes about 6 healing surges to fill a tank back up
I'm a pug healer holy pala got KSH every season pugging since SL S1 and I'll be checking out and hoping I get boosted by my guild after reading the balance changes today fuck these devs.
We have multiple hpallies in my guild that already have KSH...you are crying over nothing. M+ has been out just over two weeks and people like you are complaining like its the end of the season and fully geared...
@@curtharakaly4620I think the frustration comes from the constant nerfs to hpal while they are at the bottom of all healers in hps and dps (according to Archon) in mplus. It is very very discouraging to see a spec you really enjoy and have been making forever get nerfed to the ground during one of the hardest to heal seasons ever and when they aren't even meta to begin with.
It feels like they dont care enoigh about healing being good to make big enough changes quickly enough. They need to do something crazy like double health and slash defensives but they just don't have the nuts to risk it it seems.
This is why I hate the current mythic+ iteration. It is designed for failure and wasting time. One mistake from a DPS can cause a wipe and everyone abandons the key. How is that fun? As if it couldn’t get worse, after the season ends, months of practice and knowledge for a set of dungeons is completely erased and we have to start all over again. Removing the death penalty and simply adding new dungeons without removing the old ones would harbor a much less toxic environment for mythic+
Tuning seems really odd this time around, in DF while there were these kinds of issues at least from a pvp perspective it felt like they more nerf-chiseled instead of the nerf hammering of old... and they nerfed everything that was a complete outlier even if it might not have been enough. This xpac at least so far we've seen things that were blatantly overpowered from beta not only remain overpowered by in some cases they even got buffed?? It feels like there's completely different humans doing the tuning which may very well be the case. As far as the 'definition of insanity' stuff goes, I learned this lesson the hard way back when they started designing the game in a direction I hated... its not gonna change anytime soon. You may get a slight shift in an xpac or two... but barring that the "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" is on us for continuing to do this even though we know what's going to happen. What I ended up learning all them years ago is you have to find your fun despite the bullshit, or move on.
The reality is that healing high tier content is basically playing a dps and managing cooldowns and timing you burst rotation exactly right. In regards to raid, the same is true. Max himself has stated that his best healers were always insane dps because that is what is required. Perfect timing and high throughput rotations. A lot of healers play healer because they are specifically bad at that so they are all complaining that they have to do what they don’t want to do. There is no alternative. If endlessly scaling content stops scaling in healing then it would be boring and healers would feel… unnecessary. There is zero solution to this problem, if you make damage the limiting factor people will just pull bigger which will in turn make it back into a healing check. Just accept that endlessly scaling mythic dungeons will always require you to top the group super fast and use defensives properly and if you don’t like that don’t play mythic plus.
on the prooning difensives i think its funny cos thy kinda did that to monk like ww and mw have the same amount of ative defensive buttens as thy did in sl/bfa but still have way more passive difensives but its still the only class i can think of that lost a difensive in df/tww
@@Blackguy610 Dawnlight is healing for a more lot in stacked fights because its aoe healing is supposed to be reduced beyond 5 targets. It says so in the tooltip, but its not being reduced at all, making it overperform in Raid but being middle of the pack at best in reality in m+ and the worst healer in fights were the group is not stacked.
Keep crying...pres is the least played healer outside of raid by a fucking Longshot. Pres in one of the worst healers for pug groups as well. Pres is only great when played by great players and in groups that know what they are doing. This video is extremely misleading to say the least when it comes to Pres
I think shamans strength in m+ is overrated. Every healer can do these high keys, it's just that rsham slots nicely into the God comp (dk Aug mage/boomy pwarrior sham). Only healer that feels like it struggles in keys is druid.
Ayo Theun! While I normally tend to agree with you, this time I'm not fully onboard. While I do agree that the situation isn't much changed for the very top end of players (RWF/HoF + title pushers doing high keys early), I actually feel like the overall experience is changed for the better for "the rest of us". That's not say to it's 'solved' or anything, but I feel markedly less stressed about getting one-tapped in +10s than I would in previous seasons equivalent keys (with equivalent gear), and the raid bosses I have done so far on Mythic (4/8 so far, on Ovi'Nax now) feel somewhat less entirely about giga burst healing in key moments. I've heard the same from the other healers in my raid team as well, for corroboration (though very anecdotal). I do agree that there's still a ways to go, and for what it's worth I've seen key Blizzard leads confirm that they are considering pruning defensives but it didn't make the cut for this season/TWW due to other things taking prio (Hero Talents mainly). tl;dr To me, it seems like for the top end players it's very much the same, but for those coming in behind the situation feels improved. Still a ways to go, but I think we're on the right track at least.
As a holy priest whose class was not viable inDF until season 4, I’m in a much better place S1tww. I might not be the best healing class but my healing efficacy is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was in DF. Healing feels much more meaningful.
wdym, season 3 of df was amazing for holy, so much that they had to nerf salv and not rebuff it again when we lost the tier set season 2 wasn't to bad either
every high ranking guild ran 2 in aberrus and 1 for fyrakk. I do have to say though that just smashing lightweaver spot heals and the big halo definitely feel a lot more meaningful than pissing out a billion renews with pom.
@@shaso567 you like having next to zero aoe heals outside of halo? Salvation, Poh and circle are worthless, we’ve been reduced to a heal/fb bot and you’re happy with that?
@@Michael-bu7ni I'd like circle and poh to be better, but this is so much better than df where you just piss out the fakest random pom and renew healing everywhere. Poh hasn't been worth casting since bfa at this point, idk why they even let it exist like this. Also I don't mind talenting circle on it's own right now. Just don't die and you don't need afterlife.
Pres was fine. It's ok for a harder healing spec that's basically blanket healing the entire time to be ahead of spot healers. Outside of RWF we see them being on average the 4th most used healer in Mythic raiding. And with now rising ilvl we've seen MW and Holy be able to surpass Pres on fights like Broodtwister, in HPS.
@@AlexanderForsman You see you are now comparing one thing one spec are not very good at to more then the specialists on that. Remember in Dragonflight Holy Paladin spot healing got gutted because it was too strong but zero aoe healing was made better to compensate instead others was just stronger at Spot healing. You are essentially the Holy paladin player in dragonflight complaining that others got better spot healing. You are asking to be overpowered
@@havtor007 ? No? It was you who claimed the others wasn't better at spothealing. I don't want Flameshaper to be better at anything other than HPS, that was their thing.
@@AlexanderForsman In this very comment you say this "better at anything other than HPS" You literally are asking to be overpowered in the comment you are trying to say you are not asking for anything. If we apply your standard to other healers they should be better at their niche then other healers. This does not function in how wow works.
I play shaman healer this iseason, it's fun as fuck. I like the dynamic of the damage intake and how fast i can top ppl off. Makes using defensives meaningful and eliminates 4dps meta.
Two things: 1) defensive aren’t just “meaningful”. they are mandatory or you die. Even at relatively low key levels. 2) Your literally playing the heavy meta pug healer atm saying “I don’t know what everyone’s talking about everything is fine”. Enjoy your time - but your perspective doesn’t invalidate anything in this video.
@@BbKlarinette I just don't like slow meta. And one time I saw ppl get oneshotted was on a +12 key. I just don't want to go back to the time where my healing surge is healing 20-30% of someone's hp when it crits.
Cool. I'm happy for rshams. Blizz needs to make every healer like that. It's not that fucking hard!! Meanwhile they nerfed the worst healer for throughput in mplus. It's ridiculous
You took the time to write a comment, and it’s not even a full sentence. Look! Now we’re all just criticizing eachother on the internet. Isn’t this fun?
Healers are always complaining. They are never satisfied. If you want less defensives etc. Go play Classic, maybe that's a better game for you. For once healers actually have to do their role, as in heal and heal a lot, they complain. Its pathetic. Just do your job and quit whining. There isn't too much stuff in the game, more is better. More means more engaging gameplay, up to a certain point. There is classic for a reason. I would also like to add, that if your dps or tanks die, its usually their fault and they need to learn to play.
I have, up to 11s this week. He's right. Healers asked to heal instead of doing dps.This is what they got. And its certainly better than the last time this happened: S2 DF, where there was constant damage and all healers were 'underperpowered' during early season. If they want healers to heal, they need to create constant damage and bosses with healing checks or constant aeo/ST damage, just like this season. If they dont, it becomes SL all over again where DPS healer meta becomes a thing or 4 dps/tank comp like in DF S1 becomes a thing and healers start crying because they dont want to dps. Healing is challenging but not impossible
@@RinaaaYaYou completely missed the point of the video it makes me wonder if you even watched. No where did you complain that he had to heal. The whole point is the burst damage is so insane right now that literally need be able to consistently top health bars in 1-2 global or someone dies. The game goes from healing damage to hoping your DPS is smart enough to press a defensive. That's not fun and despite blizzard acknowledging that this is a problem they still designed dungeons this way(looking at you tentacle slam they added to the last boss of siege).
@@Blackguy610 M+ is exponential modifiers. This is bound to happen at some point. Either this or there's not enough damage to time the key, which is what happened in SL. We know both sides of the coin already, balancing it in a middle point is extremely hard and requires a whole redesign of the game. Pick your poison.
see you in 6 months when player stamina and enemy damage are buffed by another 30%
That is depressingly likely...
They will say the same things again "oh we can't prune defensives mid expansion".
Then the next expansion will come around and they still won't prune defensives.
How about pruning the multipliers on the healing rather than prune buttons?
@@NemXX2 No because it leads to an defensive arms race where you then want the classes that have 2-3 defensives and not the ones with only 1 or 2.
The point I'm making is shift it back to the healer just healing the damage instead of the healer TRYING to heal the damage and hoping the dps press their defensives or they die.
they want to keep them for most casual content and irrelevant content aka delves and still you have to be a tank or dk retri to heal through 70% white hits like having 3 defensives matter anything
healing feels miserable since shadowlands, pls help blizz
Honestly, one of best takes Theun has made. As a pug healer doing 10/11s I 100% agree. People being one shot or not being able to dispel multiple people at once always ends up with "Healer???" but its the gameplay design issue overall.
I am doing 11 keys and I haven’t noticed people getting one shot by anything unless it’s something that should 1 shot them (like getting slammed by avoidable boss attack)
You barely ever need to dispel more than one person at a time, don’t know what you’re talking about. Just heal through the affix if you can’t Dispell more than 2 people.
Rdruid one-trick since cata here: I wish I could upvote this more than once.
As a resto druid, watching these pres evoker PoVs is hilarious. They're just flying around looking like they're doing nothing and just instantly healing the entire raid to full. Meanwhile I'm trying to time ramps and cds perfectly to get even close to that healing and even then it at least takes a bit of time due to hots, rather than this ridiculous instant top to full.
Hey Theun, I really appreciate your videos and think you make a lot of good points about M+ in this rant, but I think you missed the mark on parts of raid a little. When I stepped into Nerubar Palace for the first time I was pleasantly surprised by the healing profile of many of the bosses. I think you correctly called out Ansurek and even Silken Court as being bursty nightmares, but the last two bosses being sinners doesn't prevent the first 6 from being saints. I feel like a LOT of the damage in the first 6 bosses have multiple dots that we fight against, not huge burst one after another like Rashok. I think theyre on the right track with bosses like Bloodbound Horror. Healing absorbs mean you arent directly in danger, so theyre a cool way of requiring a lot of healing without stamina-checking the character. They also appear frequently, and in waves (whole raid doesnt get them all in the same microsecond, they accumulate). While the fights still have some burst, those abilities do maybe 50% of my health, which feels fair to me.
I do completely agree with the compounding effects of talent trees + tier sets + hero talents... I've started to mentally block out certain buttons because I know that since I didnt take the talents for them (or they dont have supporting talents), they're not passable as heals.
I like that you're talking about how the health bars mechanically move because that's core to what makes healing in WoW so fun and addicting and worth it. When the bars move bad the game feels bad.
Remember their big post when they nerfed tanks and they sounded like they MAYBE understood? Good to see they didnt do anything about it and failed all their intended goals.
The only thing they succeeded with is making tanks die to white swings now because the healer has to panic heal everybody and can't slam heals into the much squishier tank
I really love how I can't deathstrike twice in a row anymore and bloodshield is basicly worthless now but atleast my armor is still the same as before 🙃
When your dps presses actual defensives, you can slam heals to the tank.
@@Manakuski Good luck having that in pug groups, the average player doesn't even have all his skills on keybinds
@@Telados doing +10's in pugs just fine. Most players have a good idea of what they are doing. At low keys you get players who are bad and have no clue. The solution is to push your own key. It is a bit of a grind, but not too bad. Most runs i do we time or are very close to timing.
@@Manakuski It's definitely a huge struggle in the 7-8 range atm. I'm exclusively inviting people with decent io scores and it's a total coinflip.
I'm getting a bunch of DPS who press defensives... just after the biggest instance of damage. And I know they don't have a single health potion even though they're 10g each.
I ran a 7 dawnbreaker yesterday to get my last score for KSM and had a prot warrior who pressed shield block a single time in the whole dungeon. I saw my cell tank mitigation indicator pop up once.
10 range sounds like paradise, I'm just not there yet.
Tuning post came out about an hour after this video 🙃
Your point about Kyvexa is interesting though. The entire back half of the raid was overtuned. Blizzard just hasn’t found a balance of “difficult, but not spiky where mobs aren’t just sponges.” Your point about defensives and CC is great, but it doesn’t really matter for lower keys if nobody is pressing those buttons or taking those talents. From my perspective as a (rather awful) pug healer, trash packs with elites now have more going on than boss fights. Cognitive load is insanely high. Mobs have way too many dots, standing in puddles almost kills before players can react (heal or step out), and despite everyone having interrupts the only ones that matter is hard cc because trash will just restart their cast again which is still doing a bit too much damage. Ex. Running with a DK tank is an exercise in ptsd because now their health bars are even more bouncy than in DF.
Lookin good as always ❤❤
I must just suck but my resto shaman heals don’t come anywhere close to filling back up health bars at least not with the push of one button. Takes about 6 healing surges to fill a tank back up
I'm a pug healer holy pala got KSH every season pugging since SL S1 and I'll be checking out and hoping I get boosted by my guild after reading the balance changes today fuck these devs.
We have multiple hpallies in my guild that already have KSH...you are crying over nothing. M+ has been out just over two weeks and people like you are complaining like its the end of the season and fully geared...
@@curtharakaly4620I think the frustration comes from the constant nerfs to hpal while they are at the bottom of all healers in hps and dps (according to Archon) in mplus. It is very very discouraging to see a spec you really enjoy and have been making forever get nerfed to the ground during one of the hardest to heal seasons ever and when they aren't even meta to begin with.
Enjoy your pizza Theun
It feels like they dont care enoigh about healing being good to make big enough changes quickly enough. They need to do something crazy like double health and slash defensives but they just don't have the nuts to risk it it seems.
This is why I hate the current mythic+ iteration. It is designed for failure and wasting time. One mistake from a DPS can cause a wipe and everyone abandons the key. How is that fun?
As if it couldn’t get worse, after the season ends, months of practice and knowledge for a set of dungeons is completely erased and we have to start all over again.
Removing the death penalty and simply adding new dungeons without removing the old ones would harbor a much less toxic environment for mythic+
Tuning seems really odd this time around, in DF while there were these kinds of issues at least from a pvp perspective it felt like they more nerf-chiseled instead of the nerf hammering of old... and they nerfed everything that was a complete outlier even if it might not have been enough. This xpac at least so far we've seen things that were blatantly overpowered from beta not only remain overpowered by in some cases they even got buffed?? It feels like there's completely different humans doing the tuning which may very well be the case.
As far as the 'definition of insanity' stuff goes, I learned this lesson the hard way back when they started designing the game in a direction I hated... its not gonna change anytime soon. You may get a slight shift in an xpac or two... but barring that the "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" is on us for continuing to do this even though we know what's going to happen. What I ended up learning all them years ago is you have to find your fun despite the bullshit, or move on.
Here we go again into the cycle of valuable feedback from players and Blizzard be like „feed what?“
Blizzard devs might be the worst in the industry when it comes to balancing their game. It's embarassing how dogshit they are.
I assumed TL was health potting the wrest based on how quickly their health went up 🤔 If that’s pres ramp/burst that’s crazy
Yeah it was Engulf
Onpoint as always!
There is not a whole lot you can do other than praying everybody presses their defensiv at the right moment.
A water shield buff would be nice.
Any fucking mana buff would be nice.
how about more consistent damage instead of 1 shots
The reality is that healing high tier content is basically playing a dps and managing cooldowns and timing you burst rotation exactly right.
In regards to raid, the same is true. Max himself has stated that his best healers were always insane dps because that is what is required. Perfect timing and high throughput rotations.
A lot of healers play healer because they are specifically bad at that so they are all complaining that they have to do what they don’t want to do.
There is no alternative. If endlessly scaling content stops scaling in healing then it would be boring and healers would feel… unnecessary. There is zero solution to this problem, if you make damage the limiting factor people will just pull bigger which will in turn make it back into a healing check.
Just accept that endlessly scaling mythic dungeons will always require you to top the group super fast and use defensives properly and if you don’t like that don’t play mythic plus.
I hope they stay the same with healing tbh especially keys were the most unfun shit in SL and i never want to go back to that time.
100% truth
mmm pizza
on the prooning difensives i think its funny cos thy kinda did that to monk like ww and mw have the same amount of ative defensive buttens as thy did in sl/bfa but still have way more passive difensives but its still the only class i can think of that lost a difensive in df/tww
Tanking got worse so healing could thrive
Hpal: 2nd best healer in raid due to a bug -> gets nerfed into C tier in M+ for the third season straight
Hpal is worst for hps and dps in mplus prior to the nerfs (according to Archon)
What's the bug?
@@Blackguy610 Dawnlight is healing for a more lot in stacked fights because its aoe healing is supposed to be reduced beyond 5 targets. It says so in the tooltip, but its not being reduced at all, making it overperform in Raid but being middle of the pack at best in reality in m+ and the worst healer in fights were the group is not stacked.
buff mw
Engulf getting 20% more heal yay
Keep crying...pres is the least played healer outside of raid by a fucking Longshot. Pres in one of the worst healers for pug groups as well. Pres is only great when played by great players and in groups that know what they are doing. This video is extremely misleading to say the least when it comes to Pres
Nerf all healing cds to be down to 15% healing increase.
what a joke
I think shamans strength in m+ is overrated. Every healer can do these high keys, it's just that rsham slots nicely into the God comp (dk Aug mage/boomy pwarrior sham).
Only healer that feels like it struggles in keys is druid.
Ayo Theun! While I normally tend to agree with you, this time I'm not fully onboard. While I do agree that the situation isn't much changed for the very top end of players (RWF/HoF + title pushers doing high keys early), I actually feel like the overall experience is changed for the better for "the rest of us". That's not say to it's 'solved' or anything, but I feel markedly less stressed about getting one-tapped in +10s than I would in previous seasons equivalent keys (with equivalent gear), and the raid bosses I have done so far on Mythic (4/8 so far, on Ovi'Nax now) feel somewhat less entirely about giga burst healing in key moments. I've heard the same from the other healers in my raid team as well, for corroboration (though very anecdotal).
I do agree that there's still a ways to go, and for what it's worth I've seen key Blizzard leads confirm that they are considering pruning defensives but it didn't make the cut for this season/TWW due to other things taking prio (Hero Talents mainly).
tl;dr To me, it seems like for the top end players it's very much the same, but for those coming in behind the situation feels improved. Still a ways to go, but I think we're on the right track at least.
Insane- in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behavior, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill.
As a holy priest whose class was not viable inDF until season 4, I’m in a much better place S1tww. I might not be the best healing class but my healing efficacy is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was in DF. Healing feels much more meaningful.
wdym, season 3 of df was amazing for holy, so much that they had to nerf salv and not rebuff it again when we lost the tier set
season 2 wasn't to bad either
every high ranking guild ran 2 in aberrus and 1 for fyrakk.
I do have to say though that just smashing lightweaver spot heals and the big halo definitely feel a lot more meaningful than pissing out a billion renews with pom.
@@shaso567 you like having next to zero aoe heals outside of halo? Salvation, Poh and circle are worthless, we’ve been reduced to a heal/fb bot and you’re happy with that?
@@Michael-bu7ni I'd like circle and poh to be better, but this is so much better than df where you just piss out the fakest random pom and renew healing everywhere. Poh hasn't been worth casting since bfa at this point, idk why they even let it exist like this. Also I don't mind talenting circle on it's own right now. Just don't die and you don't need afterlife.
They are desperate to get people playing Evoker because it www such a failure. Now they have to keep them OP for the rerolls
Pres was fine. It's ok for a harder healing spec that's basically blanket healing the entire time to be ahead of spot healers.
Outside of RWF we see them being on average the 4th most used healer in Mythic raiding. And with now rising ilvl we've seen MW and Holy be able to surpass Pres on fights like Broodtwister, in HPS.
But then spot healers should be stronger in spot healing (this is not true now)
@@havtor007 ? Pres can't spot heal , so holy, pala, shammy and Monk are all better on it than pres
@@AlexanderForsman You see you are now comparing one thing one spec are not very good at to more then the specialists on that.
Remember in Dragonflight Holy Paladin spot healing got gutted because it was too strong but zero aoe healing was made better to compensate instead others was just stronger at Spot healing.
You are essentially the Holy paladin player in dragonflight complaining that others got better spot healing.
You are asking to be overpowered
@@havtor007
?
No?
It was you who claimed the others wasn't better at spothealing.
I don't want Flameshaper to be better at anything other than HPS, that was their thing.
@@AlexanderForsman In this very comment you say this "better at anything other than HPS"
You literally are asking to be overpowered in the comment you are trying to say you are not asking for anything.
If we apply your standard to other healers they should be better at their niche then other healers.
This does not function in how wow works.
I play shaman healer this iseason, it's fun as fuck. I like the dynamic of the damage intake and how fast i can top ppl off. Makes using defensives meaningful and eliminates 4dps meta.
Two things:
1) defensive aren’t just “meaningful”. they are mandatory or you die. Even at relatively low key levels.
2) Your literally playing the heavy meta pug healer atm saying “I don’t know what everyone’s talking about everything is fine”.
Enjoy your time - but your perspective doesn’t invalidate anything in this video.
@@BbKlarinette I just don't like slow meta. And one time I saw ppl get oneshotted was on a +12 key.
I just don't want to go back to the time where my healing surge is healing 20-30% of someone's hp when it crits.
Cool. I'm happy for rshams. Blizz needs to make every healer like that. It's not that fucking hard!! Meanwhile they nerfed the worst healer for throughput in mplus. It's ridiculous
bro it took you 3 minutes to get to a single point, come on man
You took the time to write a comment, and it’s not even a full sentence. Look! Now we’re all just criticizing eachother on the internet. Isn’t this fun?
Healers are always complaining. They are never satisfied. If you want less defensives etc. Go play Classic, maybe that's a better game for you. For once healers actually have to do their role, as in heal and heal a lot, they complain. Its pathetic. Just do your job and quit whining. There isn't too much stuff in the game, more is better. More means more engaging gameplay, up to a certain point. There is classic for a reason.
I would also like to add, that if your dps or tanks die, its usually their fault and they need to learn to play.
Have you healed a key this season?
I have, up to 11s this week. He's right. Healers asked to heal instead of doing dps.This is what they got.
And its certainly better than the last time this happened: S2 DF, where there was constant damage and all healers were 'underperpowered' during early season.
If they want healers to heal, they need to create constant damage and bosses with healing checks or constant aeo/ST damage, just like this season.
If they dont, it becomes SL all over again where DPS healer meta becomes a thing or 4 dps/tank comp like in DF S1 becomes a thing and healers start crying because they dont want to dps.
Healing is challenging but not impossible
@@RinaaaYaYou completely missed the point of the video it makes me wonder if you even watched. No where did you complain that he had to heal. The whole point is the burst damage is so insane right now that literally need be able to consistently top health bars in 1-2 global or someone dies. The game goes from healing damage to hoping your DPS is smart enough to press a defensive. That's not fun and despite blizzard acknowledging that this is a problem they still designed dungeons this way(looking at you tentacle slam they added to the last boss of siege).
@@Blackguy610 M+ is exponential modifiers. This is bound to happen at some point. Either this or there's not enough damage to time the key, which is what happened in SL. We know both sides of the coin already, balancing it in a middle point is extremely hard and requires a whole redesign of the game. Pick your poison.