I think the way Ceraxes taking off looks is due to his weird body shape in general. Maybe they wanted to emphasize him being the "bloodwyrm" by wiggling through the air like that, idk. I thought the CGI looked fine mostly, but I agree - in some scenes it looks a bit off. But I can take that, as long as the rest of the show is good:)
Exactly. Caraxes is different, he even has those small wings on his legs. Some of the fire looked weird but I am very happy with how they portrayed Caraxes, he is the bloodwyrm and not just Drogon in a different color
I love Caraxes but sometimes he looks weird af. But I did hear that flight engineers they used to design the dragons , had problems with making Caraxes design plausible. So they added leg "wings" to act as lateral stability and he had to move in a certain way. I love that he's so different. His flight mechanics were painstakingly slaved over. So I'm fine with our Blood Wyrm. Yo the stag was shit. Elks exist. And they are really fucking big and awesome. Just use an elk. Or don't show it. Something. It looked terrible.
The cgi budget and time might be severely stretched by all these different-looking dragons (some of which we have yet to see). GOT's three dragons had a lot of believability but they were also very similar. With any luck season two should iron the problems. Here's hoping anyway.
I thought production during COVID might have also had something to do with it which is why I'm trying not to make a huge deal out of it. It's just every time Caraxes flies, I'm like YIKES
@@KevinPendragon I think you think Yikes because you are used to seeing Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal - Caraxes's body is entirely different so the rig in its entirety as well as the animation is going to be completely different. They are going for an entirely different breed of dragon for him. If he had the body he does and then would take off and fly like Syrax it would look a lot weirder than you are saying it does in S1.
@@KevinPendragoni thing the CG got better as the season progressed. This is consistent with leading theory that they didn't give the digital artists enough time. This is actually a serious problem in Hollywood. They give computer SFX less and less time for major productions, and they don't even get paid that much. I remember watching a YT video about it and how the major studios have a lot of pull and manipulate small companies into doing a lot of work for free (or changes for free which is basically work for free). Many directors have unreasonable expectations and just don't understand how it works. Companies farm this work out overseas, too, so North American companies are competing with Asian labor rates . And the audience... we blame the CG, the digital artists. But it's not them. Game of Thrones had the best SFX in the game. Certainly a new standard for "TV" In some cases, a new standard period. The dragons (aside from season 1...) were perfect. Every fucking frame, evry movement evry look.. perfections. Yeah, the endless flamethrower of Drogon was kinda a bit much, but the SFX did what it could with what they were told to create. I was thoroughly disappointed in HOTD dragons
@@KevinPendragon caraxes is 1/3 a wyvern, and 2/3 a wyrm. this is why he isnt just flying he is slithering in the air, this is also why his fire is stronger than the other dragons, so that why it looks weird.
Caraxes's neck and head movement are similar to a snake. It looks so stiff because his neck is so long, he locks on to someone/something and moves the rest of his body like a cobra. Personally the dragon cgi doesn't look that bad, only the green screen shots of the riders looks weird to me.
1:19 that's how caraxes takes off he's built for the skies due to the wing like textures on his limbs he's pretty long. 3:00 I think the blood looks pretty good. 3:11 it has to be the camera view that makes it look weird so I think the cgi is amazing.
I actually thought the dragon cgi in HOTD was amazing, also I loved caraxes design.....it looks different from regular dragon design and more like a chinese serpent
They purposely made the dragons look different from one another so that the audience could more easily tell them apart. Daenerys all looked the same pretty much except for their colour and size. Caraxes more snake like body I thought would fly more like that of the eastern dragons in our world.
NO. When you look at these dragons you can see that it is actual CGI, they look plastic, they move plastic. In GOT dragons felt real despite technological gap between two shows.
The early GoT was great due to it's riveting dialogue . Plus you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you think they overused the greenscreen , they actually went to some beautiful places . They only used it for Storm's End in the finale(which was marvelous) , 2 Otto-Deamon confrontation scenes outside the dragonstone(that are widly considered some of the best scenes of the season) , the King's Landing shots/Redkeep(which were not so good)and a couple of others
@@dinolover1837 “and a couple of others” bro you need your eyes checked. They overuse cgi so much that even the scenes indoors like the small council room is entirely cgi besides the table. Look at literally any indoor scene. Its all shot in a blue screen studio. Game of thrones at least had real sets for indoor scenes.
@@LiterallyGod Unlike you , i watched ,,House that Dragons Built" and all the behind the scenes . And again , unlike you , i am competent enough to assert that all of the Red Keep is actually a real set with so many rooms connecting to one another(as well as the Council Chamber that you bashed so hardly). Then for the royal hunt crew also went to a real forest in Portugal , or even the Driftmark castle is a life-built location , and all the scenes outside of it like everything regarding Crabfeeder , or Rhaenyra having a conversation with Laenor were filmed in England(Mount's bay it's a marvelous place indeed) . I see no need to explain to you how ridiculous you sound just go and make sure of it yourself
@@dinolover1837 you are actually wrong on every single one of those accounts. The only thing they made practical about the red keep is a small gate you walk through, the rest is cgi. For the royal hunt they couldnt even get a real deer lmao. And driftmark is not “life built” it was all tables and trinkets in a BLUE SCREEN STUDIO. And the crabfeeder beach was entirely cgi thats why they used all the smoke from the dragon fire to hide everything. You just blatantly lied.
Caraxes is way physiologically different to drogon. Hahaha is like a Worm with wings.. And you never have seen a worm fly. So they can do whatever they want. Cgi on caraxes is tottally fine.
If you think that CGI is the only problem with that show, then that itself is a big problem! THOD is probably one of the worst screenplay/screenwriting/scripts I have ever seen!
u use wrong wording, cgi is fine, u mean lac of realism wich is a directing mistake, the directors told the animators to let him fly like that, u r in the categori like: "why u hear space ship sounds in starwars?", not in the "why does she hulk look like toilet paper?"
Maybe Caraxes looked a little bit weird when he took off the ground due to its body size and shape. If you compare it to Danaerys’ dragons (Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion), you can notice the massive difference between their bodies’ structures. While Drogon and his brothers are much more compact and muscular, with shorter necks and with larger chests, Caraxes looks almost like a chinese dragon with a long serpentine body, with pretty tiny legs and massive and long neck. That’s why it’s been nicknamed “The Blood Wyrm”. His wings are quite big and proportionally matching his body size and weight, but I agree that some CGI issues in some dragon scenes could’ve been more well developed
for me the dragons are fine, it's more about the environment, sometimes i can't focus on the scene because i am focusing on the background too much, weird mists and gazes, lighting not matching the characters, unrealistic depth and vanishing point....
Completely disagree with this dude. Caraxes is a blood wyrm, so obviously he moves and feels differently compared to other dragons. He isn't going to shake the ground like Vhagor.
the only place where i find cgi really bad was the funeral of Viserys’ wife and child where Syrax was instructed to burn their bodies, it was the cheapest looking cgi , even the fire was so badly created !
There was some sort of cgi artist strike recently. It might have something to do with that. Could also be the reason for green fingers and forgotten green screens on set.
Wow so funny people thinking it is terrible without knowing how much skill it takes to create something as great vfx like that Like all the old men judging the sport athletes on there skills
1:19 thats because of the camera angle we feel its floaty. All the other dragons taking off shots you mentioned camera angles are different, we get to see the profile.
the worst of it was vhagar in episode 6. The second largest dragon ever and they made it look almost like it was just a tad bit bigger than caraxes. Vhagar should be humongous. Portraying the sheer size of the dragons has been this show’s problems. GOT did it so well. When drogon came to the dragonpit he looked absolutely humongous. I’m a huge fan of the book and I really need vhagar done right, because she is supposed to represent a nuclear weapon level threat. Even the fire doesn’t look as damaging and as real as GOT. They should bring back some of the animation team from GOT, they put up the best CGI dragons on film.
Man, vhagar doesn't look big on episode 6 because of camera perspective. When she burns laena, she's much further away from the camera than laena. The fire is not that destructive, yes, but the perhaps the fire in GOT is way to destructive. And what's worse, it is destructive as hell in the GOT s08e05, but not in GOT s08e03. Very inconsistent.
As far as I know, the vfx studios that worked on GoT didn't work on HotD, maybe bar Pixomondo so not all the assets would have been shared out and also the dragons are entirely new assets on this show, maybe bar Dreamfyre who's supposed to look just like Dany's dragons. source: I work in vfx and I know that sometimes these shows aren't made by the same people every season, so things will look different. I hope in s2 they iron the kinks out. I'm looking forward to seeing the actual breakdowns for the show
There is news circulating that they left LED studios and returned to cgi got and the Titanic studio that was working on the last got seasons. Is this true because many I saw them talking about this topic and saying it is official
Bro stop doing illogical complaints.I think the CGI was pretty good for a TV show and it served the purpose of the story really well. I don't remember being distracted by the CGI in HOTD but only being amazed by the dragons being brought to life
Tale out that first unnecessary sentence. These complaints aren't illogical, and you only put that there to snark on the creator. It brought down the intelligence of the rest of your comment. In the video he shows how certain aspects of the CGI were done well on GOT, which is also a TV show. That's a logical argument. It's also logical that you weren't distracted by the same things he was in the show. People have different preferences. Nothing about either of your opinions is illogical except you using the word illogical to try to downplay his.
@@ajae... if you saw the actual 3d models of those dragons, the muscles, bones and all kinds of simulations they put into creating something that doesn't exist, then you'll realise that this was the most accurate representation of a dragon you ever saw.Thats why I said it was an illogical critic. I mean what are you even comparing the CGI dragon's movement with...a real dragon? Have you seen one? Or do you sleep with one?
@@amanhelios But he didn't criticize those things. His main criticisms were for the movement of the dragons. Cyrax in particular. As well as the movements of the other animals on the screen. Dragons have never existed, so giving them the quality of being real will be subjective, but GOT previously leaned on giving them movements that are similar to animals we do have. The creator made that very logical connection then showed the differences between Cyrax and Drogon. Maybe it was done purposefully, but Cyrax doesn't look like he can get himself into the air realistically. I lot of people liked that about him. This creator didn't (and I agree), but again a difference of opinion doesn't make anything he said illogical. I see you think you can't make a comment without attacking people, so maybe that's why you reached for a word like illogical. But it doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't fit. Unimaginative would have been a better insult if you couldn't refrain from attacking and simply state your position. To answer your last very logical and not silly at all question: Yes, I sleep with dragons. I fvck them, to be exact. That's where all my dragon knowledge comes from. Glad you caught that. The show has already contacted me for descriptions of realistic dragon dicks.
thanks for making this video.. for me, the extended set pieces.. many of the outside backgrounds.. the scenes with all of the "citizens".. they all felt too flat, and obvious CGI.. i liked GOT better where they used more practical sets.. and many, many extra's in costumes /uniforms.. it just felt more "real".. i know they spent more $$ per episode for HOTD, but im not sure where all the $$ went -- because i dont think it was in the CGI and filming locations..
I have never seen anyone reach so goddamn hard. You are not pointing out the "terrible" cgi, you are nit picking. Hotd has still way better cgi than most high budget movies. Im also really dissapointed about your "in got the dragons have weight" argument. Have you even seen vhaggar taking of? Or her flying? Its by far the best cgi i have ever seen on a dragon. Please, start viewing other cgi the same way. You will notice that they ALL have similar issues. Because not every animator has the same level of talent. For example, in got, drogons face is very overanimated and it looks like hes out of jelly and uncanny. Something hotd fixed. But thats no reason to call the cgi terrible, because its a nitpick on a masterpiece.
Here's the thing... The show was pitched some high quality CGI work, but as always, they went with the cheapest option. You can tell by the amount of vaseline on screen whenever its cgi heavy
Amen brother! The CGI of HOD is plain awful! And all the “fog” and “mist” everywhere is too much, i feel like they’re doing it to get away with the poor CGI. Another thing that bothers me is how dark the scenes are, I have to turn off all lights in my living room and crack up the brightness on my TV. It reminds me of how annoying the poor lighting in the final battle with the white walkers was.
@@VOLTGAMING-cj1rq My darling GoT season 1 had no CGI at all , except perhaps that last 1 minute in the finale of it but compare that to the final episode of HotD with so many great dragon scenes and the most breathtaking one being Vhagar chasing Arrax , the production value of which is unmatched by any tv show . Not to mention that we get to see dragons or some other form of action each episode
I agree yes, i personally think the boar and the deer were the worst though. I actually like the look of the dragons personally and i genuinely think the cgi will massively improve.
The truth is I don't know much about ggi but I have read that the design of the caraxes is different from the other dragons. You have not read what they say about him being different from the other dragons. His body is deformed and that is why he flies differently from the other dragons. , got dragons came out little as I imagine they will come out more here in the series but well everyone has their own opinion
none of those new dragons look realistic in any kind.... the cgi looks so bad they dont seem to be real, the fire looks bad too... and they literally gone from like 3 minutes screen time per episode to like 10 secs... and it looks so bad....
It's fine for what it is, all the stuff so far has been a setup prologue kind of thing. When the war starts and dragons fight for real, they should invest more into making proper CGI and battles, they simply need to step up their game, because they made this whole show because of the battles and the dragons in the first place. It's actually more noticeable now when I saw Rings of Power because say what you want about that show, but its production and CGI is ahead of everything else on TV.
@@salemsaleh9577 Lol as an instance compare the armor of HotD to RoP's ridiculous mess . Or even the locations , like HotD crew actually visited some astonishing places and when they would't do without CGI they used Volume and it works out incredibly(like the Deamon-Otto confrontation scenes outside the dragonstone) . Not to mention those massive sets and locations they built like Red Keep or Dragonstone . When all of RoP is greenscreen and CGI which isn't bad by any means but it looks more cartoony in comparison to HotD((
@@dinolover1837 It's possibly you just prefer the mood and aesthetic of HotD, but production wise they are on different levels. HotD, especially its dragons, look TV-level quality, while RoP as I said is movie level, that's literally something everyone agrees on even the biggest haters of the show I've seen say it.
@@salemsaleh9577 Look , i admit that it might be a matter of taste and it is your right to like one or the other show more , what im trying to say is that HotD looks like it was made on 20mln pur episode , but RoP with it's 60 damn mln/ep don't
I’m assuming you know that Caraxes is deformed and moves differently on purpose, right? But you’re ignoring that to get comments like this to boost your channel lol
I glad we have the show and I like the show, but I have several complaints. 1. chopy editing and bad cgi 2. is the lack of music from Ramin (intro song for example) 3. The story is too fast paced. (We only have 1 episode with certain actors for example) It feels like this whole season HBO or the production has been second guessing itself.
I agree. Caraxes' scenes are noticeably distracting sometimes. Syrax's face looked weird at the funeral pyre scene. Laenor's dragon has been the best CGI so far and that's probabaly because that dragon looks more like Dany's dragons so they're probably used to working with that model in the CGI department. Also the scene of Viserys looking out the window before he revealed who he'll marry to the small council was very bad CGI.
Props to Rhythm and Hues (RIP) for their professional care and artistic prowess when animating and compositing/lighting the scenes in the original Game of Thrones. That is certainly why they took home awards and why they are still the best dragon crafting team. Though I am a bit biased. That being said .. so far Vhagar is the best animated and represented on the dragon-ridden cadre. Much better weight and camera work. Despite the Benny Hill moments with her child rider.
The main problem with Ceraxes is that there is no living analog with a similar body plan. Birds flap while pushing off with there legs. Bats and from what we can tell from tracks, pterosaurs used there wings to do a super pushup to get off the ground. All animals with 4wings or snake like body are super small extinct and could only glide from tree to tree. They can't take off from ground level. Ungelating to gain extra momentum is really the simplest way to conceive of Ceraxes to get in the air that doesn't involve jumping off a cliff.
Bruh complaining about caraxes being a different kind of dragon is delusional, he is deformed which is why he takes off and flies weird, it is so sick that we don't have to look at 17 dragons that all look the same, instead they are distinct in their looks.
I believe covid had a lot do with this. Most of the show was filmed at the worst part of the situation. They had to use closed indoor sets with limited people on set. As for CGI rendering much of it became remote work without the ability for the people to be in their usual studios. Sounds like I am making excuses, and maybe I am. But I do think it played a part. I'll be curious to see if it improves with a much more normal season 2 filming schedule.
One really bad cgi moment happens with Meleys. When she busts through the floor and you see her set down her wing (more like her thumb) on the ground. The shading in that moment is terrible and the wing looks SUPER CGI.
Yea i think they wanted to make this slick character for Ceraxes turned out pretty odd, the boar and the stag was a joke. overall i liked the show but cgi wise we seen better 10-20 years ago in a lot of cases
One advantage of not having played a lot of video games or other media that relies heavily on CGI is that I really don't have an eye for it. There have been a couple of instances where I've noticed it in this show, but nothing has bothered me about it. Compare that to Rings of Power, with the googly eyed warg that moved like a plastic animal being scooted around by a toddler, and I'm pretty satisfied with HotD. The CGI has to be really bad for me to notice it. Caraxes is a noodle that flops around in the air, but I can kind of buy it because I've never actually seen a real flying noodle to compare him to.
I don't mind CGI of dragons, however, the castle really looks awful. But that's the difference between filming in the real city that mostly looks the same as it did in 17-18th century, and only adding CGI details for imaginary buildings (e.g. the Red Keep) and building a set for interiors and filling the rest with CGI. I'm no CGI expert, but I do know some people who do work with CGI, and apparently it's better to add CGI architecture into existing one - you can better match texture, look of masonry etc. to make your CGI building look more realistic, have more substance.
For the most part, I agree. Due to Caraxes having an overall unique and different body shape than the other dragons, he would move different. However, he does suffer from a lack of what dragons in GOT have, weight. He seems to "lift off" too easy, such as in the Dragon pit. Vhagar also suffers from this, as when she first flies with Aemond she floats off the groud. Even a year later, it bothers me when rewatching it. Lastly, this may be more nitpicky, but dragons in HOTD look too different from GOT dragons. What I mean is, that GOT dragons have different types of scales in various sizes and textures. While HOT dragons seem to be primarily covered in leathery skin vs scales. They just look too different to be apart of the same universe to me.
you are saying it's CGI is bad? mate? do you got eyes? been doing vfx for 14 years, worked with pixomondo on the first one, i never saw a more state of the art VFX than the house of the dragon ones. Pixomondo, Weta digital, all oscar nominated studios do VFX for house of the dragon, theese guys know what they do.
Oh that dragon take off 😬 I would say the design of it does not help, its so long and lanky that every time it beats its wings its body does the dolphin thing twice and you would think something that long and lanky would be a bit more stiff when trying to get airborn cause i cannot imagine moving so much would be cost/energy efficient They also could of fixed it maybe by just making it so he couldnt do liftoffs and had to glide off of a high place to get into the air Or they could make its little back leg wings put some effort into the take off
Went back to watch the clip and 1) he beat his wings like twice while still kicking off while every other dragon really only beats their wings once theyve kicked off iirc 2) *his legs go out to make use of his back wings once hes off the ground so he obviously uses those wings just make him glide* 3) he is far too long for the cgi to ever work well for him im afraid
I have no clue what Myst is lol never played or heard if it… also Caraxes odd body and flying style is what I love because he’s unique and edgy just like his rider 😅
I think Rhaena will claim either Sheep Stealer or Vermithor. It's established in the books that dragons will tolerate people their riders love. Like family and friends. I think Daemon was trying to get Vermithor used to him so that Rhaena can approach. Daemon would want his daughter to have a dragon. Sheep stealer may be taken by someone else completely and actually be his future lover. Tldr: Rhaena will tame Vermithor and Nettles will be Nettles and her and Daemon will actually fall in love. I dont think they will do the story of the two betrayer. Or if they do, it will be characters we know. Re watching the show and they really lean into Mushrooms telling of how things went. Like hard.
Unsure. Ironically, after I posted this video, I saw how they do the CGI on the show. They used these big panels (like giant flat screens on set) which explains why things looked flat to me.
I read news saying that Waner Bros left the LED screens because they are very expensive and went back to using CGI GOT, green screens, and Titanic Studios, who worked on the last seasons of GOT. Search the topic to be sure.
A person who understands 0 about anatomy, saying a serpent like reptile, which is what Caraxed is based upon, moves strangely. Have you ever seen a snake moving fast? they propel their heads forward, exactly like Caraxes, the side-to-side swaying, again, a characteristic of movement in snakes. The takeoff, notice the back legs and arching extra "flaps" and how they propel against the ground, look at any long tailed bird and you will see this exact same movement. It's almost like your basing your entire opinion on what you *think* looks best, as opposed to the hundreds of hours poured over reference animation to give every dragon their own flair. After you used probably one of the worst take offs in GOT as a reference, in that same clip, they are taking off from a levelled plane, and there is 0 resistance in Rhaegal to take off. Now look at any dragon taking flight in HOTD. My man, you need to do some research instead of just saying "dragon look bad"
While editing the video, I was shocked at the difference between Dany and Laenor. It looked like Emilia Clarke was on a real dragon. Laenor... not so much (still enjoyed the scene tho!)
I think the way Ceraxes taking off looks is due to his weird body shape in general. Maybe they wanted to emphasize him being the "bloodwyrm" by wiggling through the air like that, idk. I thought the CGI looked fine mostly, but I agree - in some scenes it looks a bit off. But I can take that, as long as the rest of the show is good:)
Exactly. Caraxes is different, he even has those small wings on his legs.
Some of the fire looked weird but I am very happy with how they portrayed Caraxes, he is the bloodwyrm and not just Drogon in a different color
Yeah if you know the aerodynamics physics, the cgi vfx efx are impeccable when it comes to caraxes a body that long will wiggle just like they show...
I love Caraxes but sometimes he looks weird af. But I did hear that flight engineers they used to design the dragons , had problems with making Caraxes design plausible. So they added leg "wings" to act as lateral stability and he had to move in a certain way. I love that he's so different. His flight mechanics were painstakingly slaved over. So I'm fine with our Blood Wyrm.
Yo the stag was shit. Elks exist. And they are really fucking big and awesome. Just use an elk. Or don't show it. Something. It looked terrible.
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As long as a ballista arrow doesn't one shot kill a dragon from a discount Jack Sparrow hiding behind a rock,I will be satisfied
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caraxes not like drogon or viserion
it Flys like that because of the long neck he has
The cgi budget and time might be severely stretched by all these different-looking dragons (some of which we have yet to see). GOT's three dragons had a lot of believability but they were also very similar. With any luck season two should iron the problems. Here's hoping anyway.
I thought production during COVID might have also had something to do with it which is why I'm trying not to make a huge deal out of it. It's just every time Caraxes flies, I'm like YIKES
@@KevinPendragon I think you think Yikes because you are used to seeing Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal - Caraxes's body is entirely different so the rig in its entirety as well as the animation is going to be completely different. They are going for an entirely different breed of dragon for him. If he had the body he does and then would take off and fly like Syrax it would look a lot weirder than you are saying it does in S1.
@@KevinPendragoni thing the CG got better as the season progressed. This is consistent with leading theory that they didn't give the digital artists enough time.
This is actually a serious problem in Hollywood. They give computer SFX less and less time for major productions, and they don't even get paid that much. I remember watching a YT video about it and how the major studios have a lot of pull and manipulate small companies into doing a lot of work for free (or changes for free which is basically work for free). Many directors have unreasonable expectations and just don't understand how it works. Companies farm this work out overseas, too, so North American companies are competing with Asian labor rates .
And the audience... we blame the CG, the digital artists. But it's not them.
Game of Thrones had the best SFX in the game. Certainly a new standard for "TV"
In some cases, a new standard period.
The dragons (aside from season 1...) were perfect. Every fucking frame, evry movement evry look.. perfections.
Yeah, the endless flamethrower of Drogon was kinda a bit much, but the SFX did what it could with what they were told to create.
I was thoroughly disappointed in HOTD dragons
@@KevinPendragon caraxes is 1/3 a wyvern, and 2/3 a wyrm. this is why he isnt just flying he is slithering in the air, this is also why his fire is stronger than the other dragons, so that why it looks weird.
Caraxes's neck and head movement are similar to a snake. It looks so stiff because his neck is so long, he locks on to someone/something and moves the rest of his body like a cobra. Personally the dragon cgi doesn't look that bad, only the green screen shots of the riders looks weird to me.
1:19 that's how caraxes takes off he's built for the skies due to the wing like textures on his limbs he's pretty long.
3:00 I think the blood looks pretty good.
3:11 it has to be the camera view that makes it look weird so I think the cgi is amazing.
They improved the dragon riding CGI in the last episode, Vhagar looked great!
I actually thought the dragon cgi in HOTD was amazing, also I loved caraxes design.....it looks different from regular dragon design and more like a chinese serpent
They purposely made the dragons look different from one another so that the audience could more easily tell them apart. Daenerys all looked the same pretty much except for their colour and size. Caraxes more snake like body I thought would fly more like that of the eastern dragons in our world.
The CGI looks fine. Wtf are people complaining about?
Low standards you have
NO. When you look at these dragons you can see that it is actual CGI, they look plastic, they move plastic. In GOT dragons felt real despite technological gap between two shows.
@@atropa_belladonna_ they didnt care when they did the cgi on this. It needs way more time to refine cgi and green screen
@@atropa_belladonna_ Nah
They overused green screen and cgi. Early Thrones was great because it only used cgi when absolutely necessary.
The early GoT was great due to it's riveting dialogue . Plus you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you think they overused the greenscreen , they actually went to some beautiful places . They only used it for Storm's End in the finale(which was marvelous) , 2 Otto-Deamon confrontation scenes outside the dragonstone(that are widly considered some of the best scenes of the season) , the King's Landing shots/Redkeep(which were not so good)and a couple of others
@@dinolover1837 “and a couple of others” bro you need your eyes checked. They overuse cgi so much that even the scenes indoors like the small council room is entirely cgi besides the table. Look at literally any indoor scene. Its all shot in a blue screen studio. Game of thrones at least had real sets for indoor scenes.
@@LiterallyGod Unlike you , i watched ,,House that Dragons Built" and all the behind the scenes . And again , unlike you , i am competent enough to assert that all of the Red Keep is actually a real set with so many rooms connecting to one another(as well as the Council Chamber that you bashed so hardly). Then for the royal hunt crew also went to a real forest in Portugal , or even the Driftmark castle is a life-built location , and all the scenes outside of it like everything regarding Crabfeeder , or Rhaenyra having a conversation with Laenor were filmed in England(Mount's bay it's a marvelous place indeed) . I see no need to explain to you how ridiculous you sound just go and make sure of it yourself
@@dinolover1837 you are actually wrong on every single one of those accounts. The only thing they made practical about the red keep is a small gate you walk through, the rest is cgi. For the royal hunt they couldnt even get a real deer lmao. And driftmark is not “life built” it was all tables and trinkets in a BLUE SCREEN STUDIO. And the crabfeeder beach was entirely cgi thats why they used all the smoke from the dragon fire to hide everything. You just blatantly lied.
Caraxes is way physiologically different to drogon. Hahaha is like a Worm with wings.. And you never have seen a worm fly. So they can do whatever they want. Cgi on caraxes is tottally fine.
If you think that CGI is the only problem with that show, then that itself is a big problem!
THOD is probably one of the worst screenplay/screenwriting/scripts I have ever seen!
u use wrong wording, cgi is fine, u mean lac of realism wich is a directing mistake, the directors told the animators to let him fly like that, u r in the categori like: "why u hear space ship sounds in starwars?", not in the "why does she hulk look like toilet paper?"
Maybe Caraxes looked a little bit weird when he took off the ground due to its body size and shape. If you compare it to Danaerys’ dragons (Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion), you can notice the massive difference between their bodies’ structures. While Drogon and his brothers are much more compact and muscular, with shorter necks and with larger chests, Caraxes looks almost like a chinese dragon with a long serpentine body, with pretty tiny legs and massive and long neck. That’s why it’s been nicknamed “The Blood Wyrm”. His wings are quite big and proportionally matching his body size and weight, but I agree that some CGI issues in some dragon scenes could’ve been more well developed
for me the dragons are fine, it's more about the environment, sometimes i can't focus on the scene because i am focusing on the background too much, weird mists and gazes, lighting not matching the characters, unrealistic depth and vanishing point....
Craxes has a different body type he has wings at his feet.......so his flight is different
Completely disagree with this dude. Caraxes is a blood wyrm, so obviously he moves and feels differently compared to other dragons. He isn't going to shake the ground like Vhagor.
Ceraxes looks too much like an Asian dragon with wings and legs, especially his movements in the air.
the only place where i find cgi really bad was the funeral of Viserys’ wife and child where Syrax was instructed to burn their bodies, it was the cheapest looking cgi , even the fire was so badly created !
It was Syrax , Rhaenyra Targeryen's golden she-dragon , Caraxes is the red snake-like beast claimed by Deamon Targeryen , her uncle
@@dinolover1837 yeah thanks! just corrected
But they used real fire for that scene lol
There was some sort of cgi artist strike recently. It might have something to do with that. Could also be the reason for green fingers and forgotten green screens on set.
They actually fixed the green fingers, they're proper stumps now
Wow so funny people thinking it is terrible without knowing how much skill it takes to create something as great vfx like that
Like all the old men judging the sport athletes on there skills
Caraxes is literally deformed and serpentine. That’s why he looks like that when flying. He practically slithers while airborne.
1:19 thats because of the camera angle we feel its floaty. All the other dragons taking off shots you mentioned camera angles are different, we get to see the profile.
Yeah good point. I like how in game of thrones they usually have the camera locked off and ground level.
Yeah if you know the aerodynamics physics, the cgi vfx efx are impeccable when it comes to caraxes a body that long will wiggle just like they show...
This show has one of the worst CGI's I've seen in years considering its budget
Hater
Where?
the worst of it was vhagar in episode 6. The second largest dragon ever and they made it look almost like it was just a tad bit bigger than caraxes. Vhagar should be humongous. Portraying the sheer size of the dragons has been this show’s problems. GOT did it so well. When drogon came to the dragonpit he looked absolutely humongous. I’m a huge fan of the book and I really need vhagar done right, because she is supposed to represent a nuclear weapon level threat. Even the fire doesn’t look as damaging and as real as GOT. They should bring back some of the animation team from GOT, they put up the best CGI dragons on film.
you people must not have eyes or smth
Man, vhagar doesn't look big on episode 6 because of camera perspective. When she burns laena, she's much further away from the camera than laena. The fire is not that destructive, yes, but the perhaps the fire in GOT is way to destructive. And what's worse, it is destructive as hell in the GOT s08e05, but not in GOT s08e03. Very inconsistent.
This is the 1st season of a show with a limited budget. STFU!
Wrong
1:10 That puff of dust looks like the Photoshop smudge tool. Weird that you found that more acceptable than other complaints.
Caraxes is supposed to look weird. He is an outcast even amongst other dragons. Besides Syrax no other dragon likes him and thinks of him as normal
As far as I know, the vfx studios that worked on GoT didn't work on HotD, maybe bar Pixomondo so not all the assets would have been shared out and also the dragons are entirely new assets on this show, maybe bar Dreamfyre who's supposed to look just like Dany's dragons.
source: I work in vfx and I know that sometimes these shows aren't made by the same people every season, so things will look different. I hope in s2 they iron the kinks out. I'm looking forward to seeing the actual breakdowns for the show
There is news circulating that they left LED studios and returned to cgi got and the Titanic studio that was working on the last got seasons. Is this true because many I saw them talking about this topic and saying it is official
It looks like modern day stop motion
Yep. Very choppy and awkward.
Ummmm the CGI looks great...what am I missing?
Bro stop doing illogical complaints.I think the CGI was pretty good for a TV show and it served the purpose of the story really well. I don't remember being distracted by the CGI in HOTD but only being amazed by the dragons being brought to life
Tale out that first unnecessary sentence. These complaints aren't illogical, and you only put that there to snark on the creator. It brought down the intelligence of the rest of your comment. In the video he shows how certain aspects of the CGI were done well on GOT, which is also a TV show. That's a logical argument. It's also logical that you weren't distracted by the same things he was in the show. People have different preferences. Nothing about either of your opinions is illogical except you using the word illogical to try to downplay his.
@@ajae... if you saw the actual 3d models of those dragons, the muscles, bones and all kinds of simulations they put into creating something that doesn't exist, then you'll realise that this was the most accurate representation of a dragon you ever saw.Thats why I said it was an illogical critic. I mean what are you even comparing the CGI dragon's movement with...a real dragon? Have you seen one? Or do you sleep with one?
@@amanhelios But he didn't criticize those things. His main criticisms were for the movement of the dragons. Cyrax in particular. As well as the movements of the other animals on the screen. Dragons have never existed, so giving them the quality of being real will be subjective, but GOT previously leaned on giving them movements that are similar to animals we do have. The creator made that very logical connection then showed the differences between Cyrax and Drogon. Maybe it was done purposefully, but Cyrax doesn't look like he can get himself into the air realistically. I lot of people liked that about him. This creator didn't (and I agree), but again a difference of opinion doesn't make anything he said illogical.
I see you think you can't make a comment without attacking people, so maybe that's why you reached for a word like illogical. But it doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't fit. Unimaginative would have been a better insult if you couldn't refrain from attacking and simply state your position.
To answer your last very logical and not silly at all question: Yes, I sleep with dragons. I fvck them, to be exact. That's where all my dragon knowledge comes from. Glad you caught that. The show has already contacted me for descriptions of realistic dragon dicks.
@@ajae... then why are you wasting your time watching ILLOGICAL CRITICS about dragons. Now go into your dragon's hole
thanks for making this video.. for me, the extended set pieces.. many of the outside backgrounds.. the scenes with all of the "citizens".. they all felt too flat, and obvious CGI.. i liked GOT better where they used more practical sets.. and many, many extra's in costumes /uniforms.. it just felt more "real".. i know they spent more $$ per episode for HOTD, but im not sure where all the $$ went -- because i dont think it was in the CGI and filming locations..
The dragons in GOT looked better Until HOTD brought out vhagar. That scene in storms end with vhagar lurking above the castle was eerie af.
Great scene. Very unsettling. It makes you wonder just how big Balerion was in comparison
Yeah I agree with this video. I’m not a techy guy but the cgi is so terrible in the series that it brought me here. Glad to know it’s not just me
I have never seen anyone reach so goddamn hard. You are not pointing out the "terrible" cgi, you are nit picking. Hotd has still way better cgi than most high budget movies.
Im also really dissapointed about your "in got the dragons have weight" argument. Have you even seen vhaggar taking of? Or her flying? Its by far the best cgi i have ever seen on a dragon.
Please, start viewing other cgi the same way. You will notice that they ALL have similar issues. Because not every animator has the same level of talent. For example, in got, drogons face is very overanimated and it looks like hes out of jelly and uncanny. Something hotd fixed. But thats no reason to call the cgi terrible, because its a nitpick on a masterpiece.
I understand where you’re coming from but I like how wonky Caraxes is.
Here's the thing...
The show was pitched some high quality CGI work, but as always, they went with the cheapest option. You can tell by the amount of vaseline on screen whenever its cgi heavy
Amen brother! The CGI of HOD is plain awful! And all the “fog” and “mist” everywhere is too much, i feel like they’re doing it to get away with the poor CGI. Another thing that bothers me is how dark the scenes are, I have to turn off all lights in my living room and crack up the brightness on my TV. It reminds me of how annoying the poor lighting in the final battle with the white walkers was.
Even GOT S1 has better cgi than HOTD
@@VOLTGAMING-cj1rq My darling GoT season 1 had no CGI at all , except perhaps that last 1 minute in the finale of it but compare that to the final episode of HotD with so many great dragon scenes and the most breathtaking one being Vhagar chasing Arrax , the production value of which is unmatched by any tv show . Not to mention that we get to see dragons or some other form of action each episode
It feels like such a non-issue honestly. The CGI was fine.
It was a minor issue for me. I did my little whinging and moved on.
The effects are so bad, looks like they were so much in hurry
Disagree with pretty much everything you said apart from the deer and hog 😂
Honestly
I agree yes, i personally think the boar and the deer were the worst though. I actually like the look of the dragons personally and i genuinely think the cgi will massively improve.
The truth is I don't know much about ggi but I have read that the design of the caraxes is different from the other dragons. You have not read what they say about him being different from the other dragons. His body is deformed and that is why he flies differently from the other dragons. , got dragons came out little as I imagine they will come out more here in the series but well everyone has their own opinion
Imagine if House of the Dragon had Rings of Power budget. Imagine if Rings of Power had George RR Martin.
none of those new dragons look realistic in any kind.... the cgi looks so bad they dont seem to be real, the fire looks bad too... and they literally gone from like 3 minutes screen time per episode to like 10 secs... and it looks so bad....
Such a great show other than the cgi issues. Every show and honestly most movies cgi has been so terrible the last few years.
A lot of bad cgi and cinematography that gets unnecessary praise
@@KevinPendragon cinematography is pretty good tho
CGI is trash in a distracting way. Def worse than game of thrones
I can’t have you out here slandering Caraxes unique flying style
It's fine for what it is, all the stuff so far has been a setup prologue kind of thing. When the war starts and dragons fight for real, they should invest more into making proper CGI and battles, they simply need to step up their game, because they made this whole show because of the battles and the dragons in the first place.
It's actually more noticeable now when I saw Rings of Power because say what you want about that show, but its production and CGI is ahead of everything else on TV.
Still LotR:rop even with bigger budget looks much cheaper than House of the Dragon
@@dinolover1837 You are delusional if you actually think that. RoP looks better than a lot of blockbuster movies even.
@@salemsaleh9577 Lol as an instance compare the armor of HotD to RoP's ridiculous mess . Or even the locations , like HotD crew actually visited some astonishing places and when they would't do without CGI they used Volume and it works out incredibly(like the Deamon-Otto confrontation scenes outside the dragonstone) . Not to mention those massive sets and locations they built like Red Keep or Dragonstone . When all of RoP is greenscreen and CGI which isn't bad by any means but it looks more cartoony in comparison to HotD((
@@dinolover1837 It's possibly you just prefer the mood and aesthetic of HotD, but production wise they are on different levels. HotD, especially its dragons, look TV-level quality, while RoP as I said is movie level, that's literally something everyone agrees on even the biggest haters of the show I've seen say it.
@@salemsaleh9577 Look , i admit that it might be a matter of taste and it is your right to like one or the other show more , what im trying to say is that HotD looks like it was made on 20mln pur episode , but RoP with it's 60 damn mln/ep don't
I’m assuming you know that Caraxes is deformed and moves differently on purpose, right? But you’re ignoring that to get comments like this to boost your channel lol
Why you care 😂
Bro different type of dragon, have there behaviour of taking off. so there nothing wrong in it
I glad we have the show and I like the show, but I have several complaints.
1. chopy editing and bad cgi
2. is the lack of music from Ramin (intro song for example)
3. The story is too fast paced. (We only have 1 episode with certain actors for example)
It feels like this whole season HBO or the production has been second guessing itself.
I agree. Caraxes' scenes are noticeably distracting sometimes. Syrax's face looked weird at the funeral pyre scene. Laenor's dragon has been the best CGI so far and that's probabaly because that dragon looks more like Dany's dragons so they're probably used to working with that model in the CGI department. Also the scene of Viserys looking out the window before he revealed who he'll marry to the small council was very bad CGI.
Props to Rhythm and Hues (RIP) for their professional care and artistic prowess when animating and compositing/lighting the scenes in the original Game of Thrones. That is certainly why they took home awards and why they are still the best dragon crafting team. Though I am a bit biased. That being said .. so far Vhagar is the best animated and represented on the dragon-ridden cadre. Much better weight and camera work. Despite the Benny Hill moments with her child rider.
Vhagar has been everything I had hoped her to be
The main problem with Ceraxes is that there is no living analog with a similar body plan. Birds flap while pushing off with there legs. Bats and from what we can tell from tracks, pterosaurs used there wings to do a super pushup to get off the ground. All animals with 4wings or snake like body are super small extinct and could only glide from tree to tree. They can't take off from ground level. Ungelating to gain extra momentum is really the simplest way to conceive of Ceraxes to get in the air that doesn't involve jumping off a cliff.
Finally someone talked about it.
It was the first thing I noted especially at the fire
Spot on , Mr. Pendragon. Great review. Subscribed!
Bruh complaining about caraxes being a different kind of dragon is delusional, he is deformed which is why he takes off and flies weird, it is so sick that we don't have to look at 17 dragons that all look the same, instead they are distinct in their looks.
CGI looks great , what are you on about lol
I believe covid had a lot do with this. Most of the show was filmed at the worst part of the situation. They had to use closed indoor sets with limited people on set. As for CGI rendering much of it became remote work without the ability for the people to be in their usual studios. Sounds like I am making excuses, and maybe I am. But I do think it played a part. I'll be curious to see if it improves with a much more normal season 2 filming schedule.
One really bad cgi moment happens with Meleys. When she busts through the floor and you see her set down her wing (more like her thumb) on the ground. The shading in that moment is terrible and the wing looks SUPER CGI.
I think you are the only one with these issues
He’s not!
GoT 7 and 8 clears HotD in visuals
You are the only one with this issues actually
Yea i think they wanted to make this slick character for Ceraxes turned out pretty odd, the boar and the stag was a joke. overall i liked the show but cgi wise we seen better 10-20 years ago in a lot of cases
One advantage of not having played a lot of video games or other media that relies heavily on CGI is that I really don't have an eye for it. There have been a couple of instances where I've noticed it in this show, but nothing has bothered me about it. Compare that to Rings of Power, with the googly eyed warg that moved like a plastic animal being scooted around by a toddler, and I'm pretty satisfied with HotD. The CGI has to be really bad for me to notice it. Caraxes is a noodle that flops around in the air, but I can kind of buy it because I've never actually seen a real flying noodle to compare him to.
I don't mind CGI of dragons, however, the castle really looks awful. But that's the difference between filming in the real city that mostly looks the same as it did in 17-18th century, and only adding CGI details for imaginary buildings (e.g. the Red Keep) and building a set for interiors and filling the rest with CGI. I'm no CGI expert, but I do know some people who do work with CGI, and apparently it's better to add CGI architecture into existing one - you can better match texture, look of masonry etc. to make your CGI building look more realistic, have more substance.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s. Trust this CGI is not bad.
For the most part, I agree. Due to Caraxes having an overall unique and different body shape than the other dragons, he would move different. However, he does suffer from a lack of what dragons in GOT have, weight. He seems to "lift off" too easy, such as in the Dragon pit. Vhagar also suffers from this, as when she first flies with Aemond she floats off the groud. Even a year later, it bothers me when rewatching it. Lastly, this may be more nitpicky, but dragons in HOTD look too different from GOT dragons. What I mean is, that GOT dragons have different types of scales in various sizes and textures. While HOT dragons seem to be primarily covered in leathery skin vs scales. They just look too different to be apart of the same universe to me.
Hopefully it improves for Caraxes and Vhagar by the time they get to a certain scene, but that should be in late S3 or in S4.
you are saying it's CGI is bad? mate? do you got eyes? been doing vfx for 14 years, worked with pixomondo on the first one, i never saw a more state of the art VFX than the house of the dragon ones. Pixomondo, Weta digital, all oscar nominated studios do VFX for house of the dragon, theese guys know what they do.
Oh that dragon take off 😬
I would say the design of it does not help, its so long and lanky that every time it beats its wings its body does the dolphin thing twice and you would think something that long and lanky would be a bit more stiff when trying to get airborn cause i cannot imagine moving so much would be cost/energy efficient
They also could of fixed it maybe by just making it so he couldnt do liftoffs and had to glide off of a high place to get into the air
Or they could make its little back leg wings put some effort into the take off
Went back to watch the clip and
1) he beat his wings like twice while still kicking off while every other dragon really only beats their wings once theyve kicked off iirc
2) *his legs go out to make use of his back wings once hes off the ground so he obviously uses those wings just make him glide*
3) he is far too long for the cgi to ever work well for him im afraid
Also why does he have such a bent neck
@@validarkbecause he is deformed
It is known
I have no clue what Myst is lol never played or heard if it… also Caraxes odd body and flying style is what I love because he’s unique and edgy just like his rider 😅
I think Rhaena will claim either Sheep Stealer or Vermithor. It's established in the books that dragons will tolerate people their riders love. Like family and friends. I think Daemon was trying to get Vermithor used to him so that Rhaena can approach.
Daemon would want his daughter to have a dragon. Sheep stealer may be taken by someone else completely and actually be his future lover.
Tldr: Rhaena will tame Vermithor and Nettles will be Nettles and her and Daemon will actually fall in love.
I dont think they will do the story of the two betrayer. Or if they do, it will be characters we know. Re watching the show and they really lean into Mushrooms telling of how things went. Like hard.
After watching dune pt 2. The standard has been set. No other show or film will meet those standards.
I think they all look fine lmfao
There is news that they left the CGI studios that you created in the first season and started using cgi GOT. Is this true?
Unsure. Ironically, after I posted this video, I saw how they do the CGI on the show. They used these big panels (like giant flat screens on set) which explains why things looked flat to me.
I read news saying that Waner Bros left the LED screens because they are very expensive and went back to using CGI GOT, green screens, and Titanic Studios, who worked on the last seasons of GOT. Search the topic to be sure.
The worst was the fake blood that has to go
GOt always had bad cgi compared to movies. One of the reasons why I could never get into it.
And plz stop comparing billions tv show budgets with couple thousands of dollars budget
I really noticed Caraxes and how ridiculous and cartoonish his movements look
A person who understands 0 about anatomy, saying a serpent like reptile, which is what Caraxed is based upon, moves strangely. Have you ever seen a snake moving fast? they propel their heads forward, exactly like Caraxes, the side-to-side swaying, again, a characteristic of movement in snakes. The takeoff, notice the back legs and arching extra "flaps" and how they propel against the ground, look at any long tailed bird and you will see this exact same movement. It's almost like your basing your entire opinion on what you *think* looks best, as opposed to the hundreds of hours poured over reference animation to give every dragon their own flair. After you used probably one of the worst take offs in GOT as a reference, in that same clip, they are taking off from a levelled plane, and there is 0 resistance in Rhaegal to take off. Now look at any dragon taking flight in HOTD. My man, you need to do some research instead of just saying "dragon look bad"
The CGI sucks to be honest
these uoutubers love saying cgi. its not the cgi, its the design of craxes...the blood squirting is a direction and editing problem.
This guy was complaining about the wrong things lol
lol @ myst (you must be older than I thought). Yes the stags were meh. Hadn’t noticed the riding but now that you point it out, yup.
While editing the video, I was shocked at the difference between Dany and Laenor. It looked like Emilia Clarke was on a real dragon. Laenor... not so much (still enjoyed the scene tho!)
Nitpicks to nitpick, cant say i agree in any of the points you made.
The acting and writing have been 💩
yes cgi sucks in hotd
3:01 arya😂
The animation director blew it here.
Its been very disappointing but hopefully it gets better!
I think im legit the only one who didn't play myst lol
PIXOMONDO son los productores del CGI de GOT y HOTD no entiendo tantos estudios buenos que hay por que HBO escogió a este 😒
What's wrong with you? :/
Rings of power is so much better than this like wtf......... NOT!!!!
I was taking u seriously til I saw your views. You’re nitpicking like you’re desperate for an angle. The show is 💯 so far.
I literally say in the video I'm nitpicking but still enjoy the show.
Bro watch s2 e1 Rhaenyra Targaryen landing.... It's the worst cgi in GOT show
I saw lol. It was pretty bad.
What are you talking about it was great (fyi: Emma actually did that stunt)
MYST! haha
anything to moan about right?
Y'all need to stop with the toxic positivity shit. With all the hate, being on the other side of the spectrum is just as bad. Nothing is perfect.
@@agrimmeon9308 👏 👏 👏
I fuckin hate toxic positivity