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Yep, they definitely aren't cheap

Yeah, you definitely don't need to spend the big bucks on the fancy TSS shells. A classic Longbeard lead shell will do the job just as good out to 50 yards

Anything from varmints to predators, and drones wouldn't enjoy them either haha

Remington has been doing a surprisingly decent job with a lot of the Express buckshot shells recently

Yep, it's unfortunate, but stuff like that just happens sometimes when you are self filming

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Yep, can't argue with that pattern

I want to try and find some of the 20ga 1 buck version to test at some point

Yep, it's a cheap shell, so it pretty much did what we expected it to I suppose. It's hard to argue with those military buckshot shells though

Yeah, you definitely don't need to spend this kind of money to have a good performing shell

They definitely are good enough to pattern well out at those longer ranges, but the average turkey hunter really doesn't need to spend this kind of money to have a good performing shell

@@WDL2020 they’re more than capable of 70 yard shots, but yeah I think Winchesters charging a little much for them.

Yes, you can run TSS through that factory choke without any issues. They are marked as lead only so people don't run steel shot through it. I've run a ton of TSS through my stock 835 chokes and they have always done great

@matttyreeoutdoors great looking forward to you trying that tss longboard out of your extended factory choke to see how it does

Glad you enjoyed!

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Yep, they definitely aren't cheap

Yep, you definitely don't need to run the high end TSS in a 12ga. Like you said, it really shines in those smaller gauges

Glad you enjoyed, it was definitely a pretty impressive result!

Yep, definitely can't complain about an old school setup that can still get it done

Thanks! We will be doing that some time soon

Yep, it definitely is

Yeah, a regular old longbeard lead shell is more than good enough in a 12ga. TSS definitely helps in those smaller gauges though

Thanks, glad you are enjoying!

They are definitely a very stout load

Yep, they definitely aren't cheap

TSS is, to my mind useful in that now, a .410, can drop a turkey at 40 yards, which would have been crazy talk back in my day, I'm a Senior Citizen. TSS is a long range, well, long range for a shotgun, tool. It's more for 40+ yard shots, anything closer, is just a waste of money, because Bismuth will do the same, for less cost, so will Lead, if it's even legal where you hunt. #2 shot ? Me too, I use Salt Creek 2-1/2", 1-1/8 oz. Bismuth in 12 gauge, moving at ~1300 fps at a very mild 6100 psi. They're handloaded, by a Human Being, one shell at a time, in Utah. They call it their "Vintage Waterfowl " load. It's also a roll-crimp. Cheers.

You are right about most off the shelf TSS shells being pretty mediocre. I have done a ton of testing with the Herter's shells in 12, 20, and 410 and have never found them to be picky at all. They have always been super impressive no matter what combo we try them through, so they are a great option for a cheaper version of these shells

@@matttyreeoutdoors I think several of the patterns I've seen with herter's have been workable, but not great. While many others have been good to excellent. I think with this much additional shot, you can probably open up to .690-.710 and still be good at 60, while having a lot more leeway if a bird falls in your lap and does somethink loopy at 15 yards. I think the Herter's likely can't check both of those boxes nearly as well.

Haha yep, they definitely aren't a cheap shell, that's for sure

Yep, I've seen great patterns from the LBXR 3.5" shells as well, so there really isn't a need to spend the extra on these if you're gonna be hunting inside of 50 yards

Yeah, they definitely aren't cheap

@matttyreeoutdoors I reckon they will get a lot of people buying out curiosity a box to see what the fuss is but they will only get one box. We are all guilty of that😂

That is true, but even then we have seen the same performance out of much cheaper TSS shells, as well as a lot of great patterns from much cheaper lead loads. These would absolutely work, but a lot of the cheaper stuff would do just fine for most people as well

Yeah, that's what happens when the scope fails after the first group

I haven't seen them in any stores around me yet, but those were definitely overpriced compared to retail online

@ Yep that’s the way it goes around here. Dunhams is the absolute worst for it. Walmart for example has 16 gauge Remington ELR shells for $22 and dunhams being barely 5 minutes up the road wants $36 for them.

Could they be cheaper, absolutely. But it also wouldn't surprise me if they are trying to cater towards the people that feel like they need the most expensive equipment to hunt with, no matter what their situation is

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I guess we'll see. The Herter's shells are a fantastic cheaper alternative to these though. They are made by Winchester with a lot of the same components and have always been fantastic performers across the board

@matttyreeoutdoors Great to know. Thanks.

Yeah, they definitely were pretty impressive. You absolutely don't need to spend this much for a good turkey shell though. If you want a great TSS load, just get the Herter's shells for 40 something bucks a box, or get a 25 dollar box of lead Longbeard XR shells. Either way, you can't go wrong

That payload isn’t anything too crazy, fiocchi has 2 3/8 ounce lead Turkey loads and a few other brands have over the years too. Pressure isn’t an issue, no manufacturer would sell unsafe ammo knowingly. All manufacturers have their ammo pressure tested. Salt creek ammo has a 2.75 ounce load for 3.5” and I can verify that one is in the high 12,000 psi range which is normal for 3.5”. This is much lighter of a load likely using the same or a very similar powder.

@@theshotgunscientists I agree, and I do business with Salt Creek, but in 3-1/2 inches, it's 10 gauge, not 12. These days ( I'm an old guy ~ 70 years ), what used to be a 20 gauge load, is now a .410 load, but the frames remain the same, a .410 still weighs what it always did, and so on, up the ladder...the loads are heavier. It's not the pressure LIMIT's per se, it's more like why run your Ferrari at 12,000 RPM, just because it can operate there, for a short time, but not for thousands, or even hundred, of miles ? Anyway....I do tune in to you guys on the computer...and am a regular customer at Salt Creek, can't say enough good about either of you.

Pressure definitely wouldn't be an issue. Like others have said, a large manufacturer wouldn't load an unsafe shell intentionally. As for the long term, I would be more concerned about the lifespan of whatever optic you are running if you have one on the gun. I think that would be a failure point long before the actual shotgun is

@@matttyreeoutdoors "optic" ?....I run a side -by-side, a few of them, my " optics " are my eyes. I am though, a retired Electro-Optics (lasers) engineer. Optics have no place on any shotgun, these are short-range tools, even the dedicated "slug-guns" are short range, they're not Weatherby rifles, which are zeroed at 300 yards, new in the box. I ask about chamber pressure not out of fear, but rather I'd just like to know what it is....

Yep, it's definitely pretty impressive

We have tried them through those tighter choke constrictions several times with zero improvement. The 20ga Longbeard shells are super inconsistent and just a massive disappointment across the board

I know the smaller Hevi-Shot is pretty ugly looking, but I don't know about these 00 pellets. We had all 12 on the paper, so they weren't flying too terribly at the end of the day I suppose

@@matttyreeoutdoors something tells me the two that looked like they were stuck together probably was malformed like siamese twins like the ugly little ones that have shot produces. It still was decent pattern.

No. Groundhogs are a nuisance species that dig holes everywhere, destroying farm roads, eating crops, making barn floors collapse, and creating a major hazard for cows to step in. This was on a cow farm, so they can't have the cows breaking their legs by stepping in a groundhog hole. That would lead to having to put the cow down since it would never heal

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Glad you are enjoying!

That is technically true, but we've seen other great performances from 000 through this BK full before

@ Oh, good to know. Would be neat to see a back to back comparison. I first saw those on bubba roundtree, and between his wizardry on the reloading bench and those Kicks chokes, he’s getting performance I’d never have thought possible. 😆