These days they call wads a sabot but I think a sabot is at least 2 completely seprate halves that are likely to be more accurate but I guess if it works well it doesn't matter. I would like to see these slugs after being shot into a large tanks of water to see if they expand much.
I definitely would like to do that at some point, I just gotta get a smooth bore setup with some sort of scope on it so we can get a more accurate test
Funny you should test this ammo. I've had some recent experience with this ammo myself. Some areas in California only allow smooth bore shotguns and non-toxic slugs for hunting deer. This is just about the only readily available non-toxic slug that shoots well out of a smooth bore. The problem is, California requires that non-toxic ammo be submitted for testing to be certified "lead-free." These Brennekes are not yet on the California "approved list." I contacted Brenneke online, explained the issue, and provided them to California's link to the submission forms and procedure. I actually got a call back from the Brenneke's US sales manager who said no one had ever brought this "California issue" to their attention, and would work to get them approved. California can take weeks to months, to a year or more, to certify ammo as lead-free. I've been watching their list of approved ammo to see if it gets added. I tested this ammo in Mossberg 500 with a smoothbore Slugster barrel and had decent groups, though the rear sight on my Mossberg was messed up. I've got some pictures in this forum thread comparing the slugs to other Brennekes. www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/19789649/1/hornady-300g-monoflex-sabot-slugs
Yeah, I've heard about a couple states that have specific non-toxic areas now. I'm surprised Brenneke didn't already have something on that list. Typically from what I've seen, Brenneke is usually on top of things like that. I definitely would like to test these in a smooth bore myself as well, so we'll see what happens as soon as I get a smooth bore setup with a scope on it
Yep, I think I want to do a water jug test with these as well to see how they penetrate. Maybe we'll do a smooth bore test with them as some point down the road too
Yep, Brenneke has always made good stuff. They've had a couple strange ideas that didn't do so well, but it seems like they have their more standard stuff pretty dialed in
Interesting test was that. ~300 grains, at ~2000 fps, is sort of like a very light S & W 500 Magnum load. I'm going to try some through a Weatherby Orion s x s, 28" barrels , skeet choked, for a final constriction of .725 - .005 = .720". No optics, of course, just a brass bead, so 50 yard shots, none at 100 yards. The slug is probably Tin and Copper, which is Bronze. It seems to be a bronze monolithic solid, which is a type of construction found in bullets for African heavy rifles, .577 NE and the like. Such a bullet construction will not break apart upon a high-energy impact, Dad always ran bronze monolithic in his double rifles. This Brenneke slug just might be the best option for "long range" shotgunning. It certainly is accurate at even 100 yards, and that's saying something, for a 12 gauge projectile. Thanks again for your work.
I honestly don't know what they are exactly made of. Brenneke just claims that they are some sort of tin, and they are definitely an extremely light weight shell. I'm curious to see how they would do in a smooth bore choked barrel since they claim you can do it. I guess we'll try that as soon as I get a smooth bore setup with a scope of some sort on it
I have the same Remington slug gun and have had the same problems with slug performance, Remington corelock was awesome but you can't find them anymore I will try the Breneke
This 870 was a little picky to start with, but I've found several good shells that perform well through it. It just takes some testing to see what yours likes
Man I'm so sick of the lead contamination crap. When the democrats give up there disposable AA batteries that cause 5000 times more harm then a bullet in the ground. Then they can come talk to me about my lead ammo.
Yep, it's the same with waterfowl loads. It's been proven that steel shot makes no noticeable difference in environmental health like they claim. It just sucks for us hunters having to use a shell that worse in pretty much every way
Thank you Matt from those of us that are in non-lead states for hunting
Glad you enjoyed! I definitely like testing some of the more oddball types of ammo
These days they call wads a sabot but I think a sabot is at least 2 completely seprate halves that are likely to be more accurate but I guess if it works well it doesn't matter. I would like to see these slugs after being shot into a large tanks of water to see if they expand much.
I definitely plan on trying them in some water jugs or something. I'm curious how they expand as well
Like you mentioned try em through a smooth bore gun. 👍🏼
I definitely would like to do that at some point, I just gotta get a smooth bore setup with some sort of scope on it so we can get a more accurate test
Funny you should test this ammo. I've had some recent experience with this ammo myself. Some areas in California only allow smooth bore shotguns and non-toxic slugs for hunting deer. This is just about the only readily available non-toxic slug that shoots well out of a smooth bore. The problem is, California requires that non-toxic ammo be submitted for testing to be certified "lead-free." These Brennekes are not yet on the California "approved list." I contacted Brenneke online, explained the issue, and provided them to California's link to the submission forms and procedure. I actually got a call back from the Brenneke's US sales manager who said no one had ever brought this "California issue" to their attention, and would work to get them approved. California can take weeks to months, to a year or more, to certify ammo as lead-free. I've been watching their list of approved ammo to see if it gets added. I tested this ammo in Mossberg 500 with a smoothbore Slugster barrel and had decent groups, though the rear sight on my Mossberg was messed up. I've got some pictures in this forum thread comparing the slugs to other Brennekes. www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/19789649/1/hornady-300g-monoflex-sabot-slugs
Thanks for the link. It's a good read!
I see Brenneke is still not on Californias approved list.
Yeah, I've heard about a couple states that have specific non-toxic areas now. I'm surprised Brenneke didn't already have something on that list. Typically from what I've seen, Brenneke is usually on top of things like that. I definitely would like to test these in a smooth bore myself as well, so we'll see what happens as soon as I get a smooth bore setup with a scope on it
Looks good so far. A little more testing will reveal more information.
Thank you.
Yep, I think I want to do a water jug test with these as well to see how they penetrate. Maybe we'll do a smooth bore test with them as some point down the road too
@matttyreeoutdoors Great idea. Thank you
They make good ammo. I'd be very happy with those groups!
Yep, Brenneke has always made good stuff. They've had a couple strange ideas that didn't do so well, but it seems like they have their more standard stuff pretty dialed in
Id like to see what kind of expansion they have
Yep, I definitely want to test these in some water jugs or something to see what they do
Interesting test was that. ~300 grains, at ~2000 fps, is sort of like a very light S & W 500 Magnum load.
I'm going to try some through a Weatherby Orion s x s, 28" barrels , skeet choked, for a final constriction of .725 - .005 = .720". No optics, of course, just a brass bead, so 50 yard shots, none at 100 yards.
The slug is probably Tin and Copper, which is Bronze. It seems to be a bronze monolithic solid, which is a type of construction found in bullets for African heavy rifles, .577 NE and the like. Such a bullet construction will not break apart upon a high-energy impact, Dad always ran bronze monolithic in his double rifles.
This Brenneke slug just might be the best option for "long range" shotgunning. It certainly is accurate at even 100 yards, and that's saying something, for a 12 gauge projectile.
Thanks again for your work.
I honestly don't know what they are exactly made of. Brenneke just claims that they are some sort of tin, and they are definitely an extremely light weight shell. I'm curious to see how they would do in a smooth bore choked barrel since they claim you can do it. I guess we'll try that as soon as I get a smooth bore setup with a scope of some sort on it
I have the same Remington slug gun and have had the same problems with slug performance, Remington corelock was awesome but you can't find them anymore I will try the Breneke
This 870 was a little picky to start with, but I've found several good shells that perform well through it. It just takes some testing to see what yours likes
Man 5500 would be a bolt of lightning
Yeah, it would be rather impressive if that was the actual velocity
On game performance would be the real question...
Yeah, I'm definitely really curious about that as well. I probably will do a water jug test or something with these soon, so we'll see what they do
Brenneke website shows "Five-shot, 2 1/2" groups at 50 yards" for these slugs.
If that's the claim, then I think we were on track to beat it. Definitely can't complain about that
Man I'm so sick of the lead contamination crap. When the democrats give up there disposable AA batteries that cause 5000 times more harm then a bullet in the ground. Then they can come talk to me about my lead ammo.
Yep, it's the same with waterfowl loads. It's been proven that steel shot makes no noticeable difference in environmental health like they claim. It just sucks for us hunters having to use a shell that worse in pretty much every way