Everything Wrong With The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes In 20 Minutes or Less
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2024
- The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes goes back in time so you can watch President Snow turn evil. It's kind of sinful.
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i'm surprised there was no sin for him looking like a knock off eminem
Omg. Now you mention it. He does
Or the guy from Top secret! similarities are overwhelming, he turned evil because of a girl, looks the same, only difference Zucker brothers know how to write.
Draco Malfoy growing up to be even whinier
@@bloggerblogg5878 Neek Reevers didn't turn evil though? Still my favourite comedy to this day!!
So would you give that to Obstagoon for looking that that badger-dressed musician?
The book doesn't translate very well sadly - the movie rushed a lot of the story and that is part of the problem, but the main thing is how much the story is about Snow's inner thoughts. Like how much he hates the districts, and keeps thinking of Lucy Grey as not from the districts, and just how sorry he is for himself the whole time. It's quite chilling to read him think his classmate lucky to get paired with someone he knew as a mentor, the lack of empathy grows throughout and his "good" actions are all just self serving. He has that high kill rate, but he thinks he's the victim in all of it, a perfect set up of his character in the original trilogy!
They couldn't have at least given him a journal to record his thoughts in, then an over the shoulder view of him writing so we can still see his thoughts
Although I do think he's a little bit of a victim. His high kill is also responsible for Dinklage's character being petty and putting it out on his son. I do like seeing how he became the way he is but I wished they did a better job at him hating the other districts and those around him.
@@jemherondale4259don't even have to show the thoughts, just show he has the thoughts
is the announcer the same one from the old movies? I know the actor is the same but is it the same fictional guy
Snow also was shown to have a dark sense of humor that I wish that they had put in the movie.
16:17 now I want someone to re-edit the whole hunger games trilogy and replace the name "katniss" with "swamp potato"
Swamp Potato Everdeen
Imagine your parents named you swamp potato, and your sister is called Primrose .. now guess who the favorite kid is lol
@lisahuber9329 one was named after medicine, the other after food, both are equally fitting
Swamp-nip
every "whys he call her lucy gray" sin is null and void bc there is a scene where she explicitly requests to be called her full and proper first name, which is lucy gray
Yeah cinema sins is getting lazy
Also has he never met anyone from the Carolinas before? Lol
@@jonathonpanzera6082 literally her accent is such a stereotypical Appalachian accent and district 12 is IN APPALACHIA WHY IS EVERYONE SHOCKED BY THE ACCENT
some of these sins were so dumb 😭😭
Clearly Sins has never heard of the mythical land of “The South”
I think the producers are way hungrier than the characters in the movie
Amen and pass the collection plate!
They were fr going, "JESSUP!"
Did you forget the parade?
Would have been better as a series, so much of the story is introspective. Snow was never ‘good’, he just became worse because when conflicted he always chose self-preservation.
The reason they call her songbird all the time is because she was a part of a family of traveling performers/singers.
Why does everyone not seem to understand Southern/Appalachian culture? Two first names are incredibly common here.
my family is from Mississippi (rural and completely grew up on a farm) and this is the first time I’m hearing of this only being common in the south, so people don’t seem to understand it because they probably don’t even know ffs
You say that like we have an encyclopedia on it or something 🤣
@@newvision4l314It was a thing in my family for a long time but it's not a thing in the South much anymore.
her accent tho! so awful. im surprised no sin was deducted for terrible accent
Sorry we don’t know every little thing about every single country
Oh no, the movie called the "BALLAD" of "SONG"birds and snakes has singing!?!?!?! What a baffling concept
Lol fr
EXACTLY!! THANK YOU!!
The director got burned by splitting the third book into 2 movies, following Harry Potter and refused to split this book that is obviously 2 separate but related stories into 2 movies. Consequently, the first half was missing some of Snow's most important character developement snd the second half was just missing most of that story. They cut everything but the callbacks, which made them feel unnecessary. In the book, the only one of the callbacks that felt shoehorned in was the katnis.
Feel like it would have worked really well as a Limited Series
Pray tell the lore please!
@@vailingbow1068 It's a whole book. You should read it. It's good. Better than the movie.
Honestly, filmmakers would do better to bring this back. Look at Dune. Look at Wicked. It WORKS. Split the ice in halrf, break the frozen heart, and make two part films a thing again.
Yeah this movies second half is rushed as all hell
this is why I'm so mad they took out the explanation of the naming scheme in the covey.... ALL of them have two first names and it's a really important thing to their culture. their first name is from a ballad and their second name is a color. in lucy gray's case, there was an actual ballad about a girl named lucy gray, so they hit two birds with one stone with her name. it's very important to her that she's lucy gray, not just lucy. even rachel zegler has spoken on this, I wish they explained it in the movie like they did in the book.
Also the song she got her name from being about a girl who disappeared and Lucy Grey ends up doing the same. I finally finished the book and there was so much that was left out that was important to the story.
17:18 CINEMA SINS SIN: They did show a map during the Hunger Games portion of the movie, "Lucky" Flickerman was doing a weather broadcast when it was slow and showed a map that has Panem as basically all of North America
Personal preference, there should have been a bonus round every time he said Lucy Grey
Yes
Jack! Rose! Jack! Rose!
There better be a joke about snow looking like 2000's Eminem.
I watched this and actually said "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up" when I saw his shaved head!
District 12 is supposed to be in West Virginia(the coal belt of the US) but Lucy's accent is soaked in Texas whiskey and dried in the Mississippi sun.
Dude, this is such a southern reference of a comment that I heard it in a southern twang
In the book, the Covey wasn't originally from District 12. They were nomadic until after the war when the capital outlawed travel between the districts.
@@madethistocomment727 they explain this in the movie too but some people just don't pay attention
Well that’s because Lucy wasn’t from district 12 and she literally says it in the movie
She’s supposed to have an Appalachian accent
shocked there wasn't a sin removed for Lucky Flickerman's lines. Man was hilarious
I so agree!!
He jokingly said that this is a musical but why wasn't it? The books had a ton of internal monologues that a movie can't translate but a musical could. (And their singing the whole time anyway)
The “I didn’t kill them all for nothing.” Wasn’t selfishness. She was forced to do horrible things and in the end it did not pay off.
A lot of these are not sins. Those that are sins are hilarious.
I think that a lot of these would not be sins to people who have read the books, but for some reason they insisted on not splitting this book into two movies and as a result anyone who watched without reading was left in the dark on a lot of very important information
Take that sin away for the shirt because Tigris had to sell herself to get him that nice shirt 😢
I...don't remember that from the book?
@@monmothma3358it was
@@monmothma3358its not explicitly stated but its 100% implied
I recall her being under a boss and… the rest is implied how she’d do for her cousin and grandma’am
That is NOT the case. Snow considers the fact that she may have to sell herself to get him a shirt from the Black Market - but she returns with his father’s old shirt and explains in detail how she repaired it, from putting it in with her boss’s bleached curtains, to sewing tesserae on as buttons. She didn’t turn to sex work - although she implies later on in the book that she WOULD if it kept Coriolanus safe
I was surprised they weren’t sinned for calling the snake poisonous.
They do in fact give us a map of panem
It’s not really about her being the best singer ever. The circumstances are dire. No other contestant sang for the whole nation to see. Lucy gray stood out. Anyone watching would remember her for singing. And singing also seemed to calm her in times of stress. Some of these sins are kinda lazy. I been a fan for years tho. I respect the consistency and dedication y’all put into the craft.
I'm shocked there wasn't a joke about Snow looking like Eminem later in the movie.
I surprised there isn't a Top Secret! reference
The slew of bleeps at the end for the snow pun! I love when Jeremy gets so angry at something like that.
To have any idea what’s happening in 90% of this movie you have to have read the book at least 3 separate times.
Never read SBAS, only read the first Hunger Games book, followed what was going on in this movie pretty well
I see no reason at all to do so.
Or maybe you need to pay attention better?
@@sorin_markov by which you mean you have no idea on anything other than the very basics of the story because the film missed out and didn’t explain sooooo much of the book
@@supyall418 or maybe the film misses so much of the original book that nothing but the very basics of the story are discernible
I know this is cinema sins, but moments sinned here like Gal's monologue to Snow and the covering of the tributes seemed incorrectly interpreted. Like you weren't actually paying attention to the movie.
Gal's speech to Snow about "Leaving a boy with a club..." Wasn't scolding him. It was to make a point about how desperate measures can turn even the most "proper" of people into savage beasts. And the covering of the tributes wasn't about how well you know/care about the tributes, themselves. It was about the guy basically calling out the fault of the capitol while simultaneously giving dignity to the victims, something that would've been seen as defiance to a society which runs on pride.
I love cinema sins, and maybe I'm just nit picking, but that particular commentary seemed like it didnt actually understand the point of the movie.
Well said!!
they do this a lot. in fact, they SKIP over points in movies that EXPLAIN things and call it a “sin” bc i guess writer wasnt paying attention or didn’t read the book.
"Omg this is a musical?" And "what is happening?" Were my exact reactions 😂
And the lucy Grey thing too😂😂😂
that was my exact reaction as well so i burst out laughing lmaooo
it’s called the BALLAD of SONGBIRDS and snakes? what did u expect?
well its called ballad (singing) of songbirds and snakes..they call lucy gray** a songbird in the movie many times, so how are you confused?
Lucy Gray in the movie and in the book: call my by my full name, Lucy Gray, it's an important part of my culture
everyone: whY aRE tHEy cAllInG hEr "LUcY GraY" AlL thE TIme???!!?!?!?!?
i was so looking forward to being able to explain almost all of these sins with. book reference
i was not disappointed
He literally was asking if they could do porn or juggle naked when they’re all MINORS 😭
"Movie doesnt give me a map" THERE WAS A MAP WHEN LUCKY REPORTED THE WEATHER YOU JUST CHOSE TO IGNORE IT!
this movie feels like advertising for Rachel's singing career.
Well after she crapped on her acting career with her Snow White press debacles, she needed to lean hard into the singing one. 😂
Sing a movie with singing is advertising for an actor who's able to sing's singing career, is like saying a movie where an actor acts is advertising further acting career.
It is all performance you uncultured yogurt, ever heard of a triple threat?
@@crookedcrowstudio3135 grow up
Well you clearly didn’t read the book. She sings a lot throughout the movie, that’s defining of her character. She was in the West Side Story 2021 remake in and sings in that too
@@crookedcrowstudio3135omg get over it.
am i the only one that feels like he maybe just didn't comprehend the movie very well ? lol
For a movie this incomprehensible and flat-out boring, I think he did the best he could.
@@brandonmanley540 it was pretty easy to comprehend imo lmao
I think it helps if you read the book first
he definitely didn't
2:46 Between Wonka, The Marvels, Wish and this, Thanksgiving/Christmas 2024 is the season of musicals.
Trash too.
Wonka wasnt but you do you@SchmergDergen
@@zom8680 "1/4 of the movies listed wasn't shit, but you do you."
Wasn't The Color Purple remake a musical too?
Can't wait for Shadow the Hedgehog's song, wonder how it will compete with Mufasa's..
Lucy Grey is her first and and she explains that in the film, it’s expanded more in the book but she does specifically correct people who call her just Lucy.
14:48
Upon enlisting in the peacekeepers, you have to serve a mandatory 20 years before you can leave. People in the capitol often do it to avoid debt and the ones in the districts do it for a better life or for the “honour” of fighting for Panem
They actually do provide you with a map, when a Lucky is doing the weather report.
Damn usually I'm so into Cinema Sins but they way they very much do not understand the book (or Appalachian culture: see double-barrel names) makes this one a hard watch lol. Ballad is in the title lol of course she sings?
The books don’t count, welcome to cinemasins
I will be calling them danger noodles from here on out.
Didn't expect to find a description of this movie as good as "written by a hammer"
The Hanging Tree callback gives me chills it was amazing, not a sin in my
book lol
in the books she makes a big deal about how her name is "Lucy Grey" and makes sure everyone, especially Coriolanus, calls her by her full given name. One sin off
is this booksins?
@@SgtSupaman She literally says it in the movie 🤦♀️ why are u arguing about a movie youve never seen
@@SgtSupaman Someone in the movie calls her Lucy and she corrects that person. ;)
She’s part Covey and she’ll take the name to her grave
"In the books she makes a big deal about how her name is "Lucy Grey" and makes sure everyone, especially Coriolanus, calls her by her full given name."
Cool motive, still silly aloud *ding*
I mean, she sings in the novel too
its also called the BALLAD of songbirds and snakes. people should read the book before they watch any adaptation
@@onyxthelifebringer fr i dont understand why everyone is shocked when shes literally called a songbird
My little brother has a friend named Anne Marie. And he has never once called her anything less
Monty Python woulda gone with "Dr. Volumnia Buttocks"
Just wait ’til Biggus Dickus hears about this!
I've never been so excited and so early in my entire life for a Cinema Sins
9:05 hahaha, i literally thought the same watching this line. I was like "what is really going on here? Did they actually leave snow with a club?"
2:36 “Wanna get bit? Jump around and wiggle. Agitate the danger noodle” lmao
They called him Coriolanus because he had a spinning bumhole.
snow lands on top is still such a cold line
No... it really isn't. 😂
Literally cold lollll
They aren’t forced call backs btw, Swamp potato/Katniss was in the original book trilogy which were written before the Ballad of S&S. The hanging tree was an old song passed through the generations of district 12 and was introduced in the original trilogy too.
Right? Like because the movies don’t add it people think it’s made up suddenly, the literal first book explains where Katniss name comes from 😭
1:23 No, more ancient Rome like a lot of the other Capitol names. I mean, the main character’s name is Coriolanus.
I noticed that too when watching this while taking a Roman history class, names like Sejanus (a confidant of Roman emperor Tiberius, and who was also executed for treason, defo a connection there) are pulled directly from Ancient Rome
It was when they made an Honest trailer that I learned they made a book that's a prequel to Hunger games, and made a movie.
I read this book and had so many questions. I watched the movie to hopefully answer some of those questions. I was left with more questions
Ok, but milk with peanut butter crackers absolutely slaps so there’s that
Oh yeah, and if this is the 10th annual games, and he's 17-18, that would have made him 93 by Catching Fire, so either they really effed up the timeline or he's super spry by then.
Or a third possibility, in this futuristic dystopian world, perhaps they have anti-aging technology or treatments
He's like 25 in this
hes 18... he would be around 80 in catching fire which isn't unrealistic for a futuristic world lol
He’d be 83 sweet cheeks, that’s how math works
17+65=82
Think Cinemasins would ever sin that old movie Zathura? The movie that was basically Jumanji but in space? lmao
I'm still waiting for that and Spy Kids lol
The books the movies are based on are written by the same author and it’s a spin-off
@@Jaybay-fh4ww that's actually super cool I didnt know that
The one thing this movie proved to me is that Francis Lawrence as a director is the one of the better ones out there with regards to how they creates atmosphere. The Hunger Games movies have done very well with that kind of thing and I even love how much better he did it with a film like I am Legend. This is why I am very happy he's the one directing the BioShock film for Netflix if that ever gets made. With the writer of Blade Runner 2049 and Logan might I add.
Yeah, I loved the other hunger games. This was just boring and it felt nothing like the hunger games.
This was way better than the other hunger games. Far from boring imo@@dominicharvey6048
@@dominicharvey6048 I mean it's a different time period of The Hunger Games. It follows different characters and different places. It's all about scheming even if the actual hunger games themselves are not a big presence.
Not to shit on your excitement, but Green also wrote Jungle Cruise and Green Lantern, so.... (I also hope Bioshock is great. Better source material anyway!)
@@Unknown_Pie of those films though that you named were they meddled with by the studio? I've heard things about both with regards to that. He also did Blue Eye Samurai for Netflix recently and that was a banger.
8:13 literally ignoring the whole theme of "the people in the capital live in such luxury they forget what being human is like" to make a lame non-joke of a sin.
ding
I mean she specifically requested for everyone to call her Lucy gray
Request Denied
It's only a musical if random people join in.
You really got me with that Lion's Gate jab. lol
8:00 Lucy Gray is her proper name, she corrects/calls out people who only call her Lucy
So the sin is "parents"?
She's covey ,which is loosely based of Romani culture, according to Romani people having two names is common.@@gentblue
@@gentbluethe “sin” is jeremy not paying attention to the damn movie
@@lemonstxrs you are taking this video way too seriously
If you're going to use Firefly clips in the outtakes, your arsenal really need Mal's line to Jayne from "Our Mrs. Reynolds" - "Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
“Agitate the danger noodle.” My single most favorite thing you have ever said 😂
'To show the world america can take Koushun Takami's book and make an inferior copy?' I think that's the loudest and most involuntary laugh I've laughed to one of these videos in a while
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
i wonder if snow could've said the third person he killed was Jessup and explain to Lucy Gray that he was the one who had the water sent
Smart
The sheer baffled contempt in the laughter at 19:00 made my week
Forgot to mention during the initial bloodbath scene. Panlo (the male tribute from district nine) fell to his knees after tanner attacks him and then two seconds later when lucy gray collides in to him... tanner attacks him the same exact way resulting in panlo falling to his knees in the exact same way.
A lot of the sins you named would've made sense if you read the book
the story shouldn’t be so incoherent that you’d have to had read the book to make sense of the movie, it should not be a requirement to understand why things happen the way they happen.
oh i have been waiting for this
Note to self: check out the zeer pot method for no electricity refrigeration. Thanks!
My mom and I saw this a few weeks ago. It was good
I'm mad there were no sins off for the "Nothing you can take from me" song
But I gotta say, the book was entirely better. There was so much material to cover that unless this movie was like 8 hours, that was not possible.
Been waiting for this one! Loved this movie
Viola Davis is the shit indeed 😂 Voilà!
This movie is super good actually.
I’ve been waiting for this one
5:00 taking a Joke from the good place and passing it as your own! 😊
2:00 A drunken short person + names like "Wovey" fighting for their District:
Hunger Games+ Game of Thrones + Harry Potter = a total mess.
Funnily enough, when we came out of the theatre and it started to actually snow
The people who say Hunger Games ripped off Battle Royale have yet to read The Long Walk or hear about Theseus and the Minotaur
I read The Long Walk during winter break, The Hunger Games director Francis Lawrence is going to adapt that too!
Greek mythology has many stories about young people being sacrificed for one reason or another, but yes, the closest would be the yearly sacrifice to the Minotaur.
19:21 pov every Single human in the Cinema 😂
I had low expectations and I ended up liking it a lot.
Fun fact: Suzanne Collins gets a good portion of her names from Roman stories and Shakespeare plays. Coriolanus Snow gets his name from the Shakespeare play Coriolanus, or the Roman general Gaius Marcius Coriolanus. Vipsania Sickle gets her name from Vipsania Agrippina, a member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, and in the other movies, President Snows grand daughter is named Agrippina
I really enjoyed this movie. I think he went a bit too hard on it
The stab in the heart that was the Firefly reference *sob*😭
17:18 we are actually shown a map of Panem in the start of the movie on Lucky Flickerman's segment
"Lets hope Lionsgate doesn't" Either I laughed way to much or this is the best line ever!!!!!
Absolutely wild that he sinned a lady crying for hearing a girl doomed to be killed singing a song about her lost love. Basic decency and empathy is cringe as hell
Leaving Lucy Grey without follow up makes the story so tragic (figuratively) to me, writer really blue balled that arc
Loved the Jack/Joe Buck reference. I grew up listening to Jack Buck call the Cards games all summer long with my dad. We’d have the tv on when the games were televised, but the sound was Jack on KMOX. Joe is better than most announcers, but his father was truly in a league of his own. ❤
I just recently watched Killer Klowns from Outer Space for the first time ever a few weeks ago, I loved it
But you guys should totally do that movie for a video someday
Hunger Games version in Canada is South Park.
Holy shit, legit burst out laughing (horribly, inappropriately) at the train line
This is one of the ones where I laughed the hardest 😂 the jokes were so funny! Although I love The Hunger Games series.
Thanks for the video
The guy randomly laughing so many times through the video like at 19:04 is crazy
Love that it's a musical! Will never unhear that...
the buffalo bills comment threw me off guard😭
YES!! I love firefly outtakes 😍🤩🥹🥹