18:54 This is actually historically accurate. US Secretary for War Henry Stimson did spend his honeymoon in Kyoto in the 1920’s and believed the Japanese would appreciate the preservation of its beauty and culture.
Another thing is that the Japanese not going to surrender was true. The amount of island hoping missions that had them fighting to the death was enough to prove that point.
a martyr is someone who is killed because of their beliefs. As far as I am aware of, Oppie just died of throat cancer, probably owing to his chain-smoking habits
Another sin is that in the scene where Oppenheimer receives his award from Johnson (in 1963, I believe), Lawrence is present, even though Lawrence had died in 1958
Johnson didn’t even want to give it to him. Kennedy had awarded him the award and Jackie showed up and told Oppenheimer how important it was to her husband that he was recognized.
I wish there was a sin taken off for Kitty's testimony towards the end of film. It demonstrated such a level of wit and keen intelligence masterfully told through Emily Blunts brilliant performance in such a well paced scene
the music change when she finally snaps out of it and puts it to the interviewer is incredible. The song is "Kitty Comes To Testify" and that moment when it finally turns, chills
I feel like the attention to detail when the trinity test dropped and the shockwave travelled and got higher and higher pitched, enough so that the kids could hear it and start freaking out while the adults didnt hear anything should be recognized. I havent seen the movie with older adults yet but i wouldn’t be surprised if the adults in the theatre couldnt hear the ringing while the younger people could.
1:10 This was literally the second nomination that was rejected since the 1860s. It was considered a foregone conclusion that if the President nominated someone they would get approved. And the one in the 1920s was only rejected because the Vice President showed up late and missed casting the tie breaking vote even with him tied to the recent Teapot Dome scandal. So, yes, it had happened before and was possible but confirmation was essentially cinsidered a formality
@antoniacosta6221 Yeah, the Greatest Showman is as much of a biopic about P. T. Barnum as Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a biopic about Sharon Tate.
surprised you didnt take a sin off for the fact that when oppie says " we will know in exaclt 1 hour 58 minutes" the nuke scene ends at 1:58 minutes into the movie ( depending on the cut you have, for me it was like 3 seconds early but still
My great grandpa worked at Los Alamos as a scientist. My grandpa told me that sometimes, Mr Oppenheimer would just walk into the house and have dinner with the family. (Edit. Grammar)
@@sethlight2784 I think the point they tried to make is, that he was supposed to be super smart and able to learn a language in a short amount of time. If the students wouldn't be able to understand him, it would not be of any use.
I read "American Prometheus", and if I remember correctly it mentioned that Oppenheimer learned Dutch by himself in a short amount of time. So I would suppose that's why he knew the words and grammar, but not how to pronounce it, since he didn't speak Dutch with anyone before that lecture
Thomas Shelby creating the atomic bomb is something I had no idea about but I’m way here for it. Now I have become peaky blinder the destroyer of worlds
texas hold'em, or just "hold'em" came into being sometime (potentially) in the 50's or 60's, so for a person in an historical biopic to say "pocket aces" would have been incongruous, like a guy wearing a rolex in a western - ding
Britannica dates Texas hold’em to the early 1900s, which seems to be corroborated by other sources. Anyway, there were other card games with pocketed and community cards before Texas hold’em (or poker even).
23:38 Lost it laughing at the timing of Josh Hartnett turning around and leaving after realizing he's outnumbered in the "movies named after multiples of 10" department.
25:46 He didn't single him out for no reason. He said a group of 3 hold outs led by a young politician from Massachusetts, Strauss asked who, and the first guy said that Kennedy was the leader of the hold outs.
Taking Kyoto off the list because of cultural significance and that the person honeymooned there actually DID happen. It’s pretty well documented and having been to Kyoto I’m glad the US didn’t drop the bomb there.
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this film but the staging of the original Los Alamos lab is fantastic. My grandfather is now retired from the Los Alamos National Lab and lives just outside in White Rock, NM. I've visited a number of times and been to all of the museums, the boys school lodge (which they shot in for the movie) and it all looks perfect.
ONE exposition scene where some lackwit asks his aid "Tell me about this guy" as they walk down a hallway. Not Nolan, NO SIR. Infuriatingly close to a great director.
As much as I enjoyed the movie, the editing game me whiplash. There are so many characters in a 3 hour movie that we jump between that I was exhausted by the end of it.
I can't say I felt the same... I knew very well who everyone was after the 8th time I watched the movie... (No that's not a joke, I loved it so much I would go alone every weekend and watch it)
@@Saltybuher Hall? Greenglass? They were arguably the most important alongside Fuchs as they provided different aspects of the program. But you had others like Koval and Seborer that were of lesser importance.
@@Saltybuher Klaus Fuchs was the spy discovered at Los Alamos. There were other spies at other locations involved in the Manhattan Project. This assumes that western counter-intelligence discovered them all.
Two that you missed.. the streetcar in San Francisco isn’t on any tracks. And the scene after the Trinity explosion shows an American flag that has too many stars on it for its time.
And they sinned a bunch of shit that shouldn’t be sinned and ignored things that should be because they don’t actually do their jobs anymore, they just put together something to throw out and call it a day
A major issue I had with the movie was about Strauss. He was a much more complex character than what is shown in the movie (even though rdj hit it out of the park it only shows the political ambition and his machiavellianism in the political arena, while leaving out some of the positive impacts he had). He advocated for helping refugees before and during WW2 and helped create Atoms for Peace, which led to peaceful utilization of nuclear energy in multiple countries after the war. Aholes can be good people and/or do good things and good people can be aholes and/or do ahole things. Oppenheimer himself demonstrates this. I think leaving out this complexity about Strauss should have been highlighted as a sin, though to be fair the movie is about Oppenheimer and not Strauss. I just think RDJ's performance would have been even more interesting if they had captured that "duality". Of course the movie would have probably been longer then lol.
3:20 : Strauss vs. Straws - I think the filmmakers just wanted to emphasize the pettiness and vanity of Strauss. As a German speaker Oppenheimer would have know the original German pronounciation of the name: /straʊs/ STROWSS German: [ʃtʁaʊs] but he actually says "Straws" knowing it is how Strauss likes to hear his name and wants it to be pronounced. Strauss being petty automatically corrects him without really listening to Oppenheimer. I think it was a nice detail to show what the two characters are up against.
I’m not sure when the channel started doing this but I really appreciate adding the transcription of the movie’s dialogue, not just transcribing the commentary, it’d been bothering me for years 😅
for the newspaper (7:17) the color scenes are subjective so the invasion of Poland is highlighted more due to Oppenheimer's subjective remembering that as the overlining topic of the paper, so its possible the inaccuracy with the real paper is consistent with Robert just remembering the invasion
11:17 The movie absolutely does tell us why the word "gadget" is used over "bomb", and it does so implicitly for Oppenheimer's internal struggle on creating a weapon with his expertise, a thematic detail that already got a sin removal just a minute prior
Fellow Dutch person here. I was really expecting a mayor sin for the scene in which Oppenheimer supposedly speaks Dutch. Everyone in the theater was waiting for that scene beforehand to try and understand what he was saying. I´ve heard Cillian Murphy recited over 3000 Dutch words for that specific scene. He really should´ve put more time in trying to adequately speak Dutch so that a real Dutch person could understand it. You know, because that´s supposedly whats happening in the lecture he´s giving in Leiden.
I read "American Prometheus", and if I remember correctly it mentioned that Oppenheimer learned Dutch by himself in a short amount of time. So I would suppose that's why he knew the words and grammar, but not how to pronounce it, since he didn't speak Dutch with anyone before that lecture
Why Kyoto was taken off the list actually is 100% accurate. Him and his wife did honeymoon there so it had sentimental value and he didn’t want to bomb it for that reason
8:40 This was surely Nolan recognizing the immense gravity of this quote and how poorly executed it was in terms of capturing it. It signified so much about their relationship, how and why he used beer and shovels. How he clearly had thought about it and had it locked & loaded knowing Strauss’ objections to the isotopes. It was intellectually humiliating. Can’t imagine even a movie this large would reshoot an entire pick up shot even for a Nolan production . The “early” laugh could signify even the reporters immediately understood the checkmate in the statement. The shovel is the punchline considering if he stopped at that word you’d still understand the meaning. And adding a simple laugh track in post seems a lot more affordable to mostly achieve a historically accurate correction
Two points 1. The Stimson honeymoon thing is real. He did vacation there with his wife and that gave him a respect for how beautiful and important to the Japanese it was. 2. Sure, there were other ways to end the war, but they were very bloody and would’ve taken longer. Each day the war went on, Japan was massacring 1000s of Southeast Asian civilians.
I'm not sure if it should be a sin that Feynman only makes a super brief appearance in the movie (he's the one with the bongos in the physicist party scene) or if it's just an Easter egg for people who know who Feynman is. I mean, the movie isn't about him, but he did get up to a lot of shenanigans at Los Alamos.
Though Feynman did get up to a lot in Los Alamos he would’ve been the first to admit that his role on the project was a lot of the lower level stuff working under Hans Bethe (when he was invited to los alamos he was still in college and didn’t even have his degree yet ). He also did have the scene refusing to use the goggles which was a fun mention.
@23:50 "MERMAIDS" is actually the leading principle in reducing/increasing the fission potential of Uranium, so there should be a sin removal for that!
In my opinion, in order to enjoy this movie, you have to see Veritasium's video on Oppenheimer. This way you already know the majority of the names and facts and you can enjoy the film rather than trying to figure things out while watching it. Big names like Einstein, Bohr and some of their theories are nice to know so you can understand their characters and more importantly, how damn well they are executed in this movie!
I’m here to inform you that they indeed let RDJ wear a suit of iron again or whatever Dooms suit is made of my point is they failed us and you tried to prevent it 😂
"Why can't Nolan be concerned with the passage of time for once?" is one of many wonderful nods in this video to Christopher Nolan's other works and for how quickly and casually these jokes are said, they're really clever.
19:20 you're right, there was many ways to get japan to surrender, which included A: Continuing the firebombing of Japan until they eventually surrender B: A full invasion of the Japanese Mainland, which would have resulted in much, much higher casualties, as the japanese people, even after the dropping of the two bombs, were fully prepared to fight to the last man, woman, and child C: Dropping all 9 planned nuclear bombs on Japan D: The Dropping of the bombs, as well as threat of a Russian Invasion as well D is ultimately what happened, the Japanese didn't even want to surrender after the first 2 bombs, and only once there was also threat of the Russians invading, did the Japanese decide to surrender to the US, which would have been far more merciful than the Russians, who, still held a heavy grudge over the Russo-Japanese War, and as we see with what happened on the Eastern Front of the European war, the Russians were extremely brutal fighters, doing to the Germans what the Germans did to them during Barbarossa. So no, The lie didn't end up killing hundreds of thousands, the truth did, and it helped save the Japanese Culture and People from being erased from the planet.
The lazarus pit sin needs slight adjustment. The chanting you are referring to was from the dark knight rises when Bruce Wayne was escaping from the prison in a pit.
People forget how fanatical and dangerous the Japanese people were perceived as then. Kamakaze was considered an honor and Emporer Hirohito was considered to be a God and of divine providence. The US Believed they would have to go to every island and the mainland to force a surrender taking months or years and far more casualties. The bomb itself was considered to not be the heavy moral choice it is now. Oppenheimer saw the ramifications earlier than about everyone.
@@sheboyganshovel5920 Dude, they were literally instructed to fight to the last man, woman, and child by their own government. If the US had attempted a mainland invasion, MILLIONS would've been dead. Fuck outta here with that
@~7:40, the USSR approached France and the UK first seeking to ally against the nazis in the Triple Alliance Negotiations, but the brits said no because they were more afraid of communism than nazis
I mean it is propaganda that room did have several ideas of how the war would end saying the A bomb was the only way is historically inaccurate in a damaging way.
My favorite sin"ish" @ 3:45, "if you don't come out of this movie thinking Oppenheimer is a kind of unaware dick, then sin is on you". The "lowly" shoe salesman thing from him was kinda ignorant and I think that was the point tbh.
When I saw this in theaters the projector shut off halfway through and some guy a few rows behind us said “they dropped the bomb”
That guy is a pure legend! XD
😂😂😂😂
Okay?
And then everybody clapped haha
Spoilers!
"Please don't ever let him put on a suit made of Iron ever again."
*Puts on a Dr. Doom suit*
😂😂
18:54 This is actually historically accurate. US Secretary for War Henry Stimson did spend his honeymoon in Kyoto in the 1920’s and believed the Japanese would appreciate the preservation of its beauty and culture.
Another thing is that the Japanese not going to surrender was true. The amount of island hoping missions that had them fighting to the death was enough to prove that point.
Beat me to it.
Him going there is accurate, him bringing it up in the meeting is not.
What cinemasins didnt do research?😧
@@harrywatson2694 Classic Jeremy 😏
"Taking full credit for the depravity of man". Classic line.
Is this a reference to something?
what does it even mean
@@jakubrejak1114 not that I'm aware of. Just thought he said so much so succinctly that it was an instant classic.
@@Ramesh-mq7uo Oppenheimer is, or maybe think of himself, a marthyr. Endossing the sins of humanity
a martyr is someone who is killed because of their beliefs. As far as I am aware of, Oppie just died of throat cancer, probably owing to his chain-smoking habits
"Is Göttingen even a real place?"
Yes, yes it is. As a matter of fact, I am sitting in it right now.
I know it becuase so many famous mathematicians and philosophers like GigaGauss, Blackpilled Schopenhauer, Jacobi, Riemann studied/taught there.
Sitting in it proves nothing. Quantum uncertainty.
I've been there too 🤔
For all non-germans floating by, towns called Buxtehude and Quickborn also exist.
Yes, but are you real? 😊
Fun fact, at exactly 1:58:00, Frank says “it worked”, making it a fun tie in with Oppie saying “in exactly 1 hour 58 minutes we’ll know”
Wow!
Wow, good observation!
fun fact at 1:27 oppie finishes early in florence pugh because he only lasted a minute and 27 seconds
Oooh!
@@Mustang_Sally_hahahaha 😂😂
Another sin is that in the scene where Oppenheimer receives his award from Johnson (in 1963, I believe), Lawrence is present, even though Lawrence had died in 1958
Finding things like that is what cinemasins used to be, not claiming things that happened actually didn't happen and sinning it
Johnson didn’t even want to give it to him. Kennedy had awarded him the award and Jackie showed up and told Oppenheimer how important it was to her husband that he was recognized.
Force ghost.
@@jpotter2086 Ah, yes. How could I have not taken that into account?
That was the worst looking LBJ in film, yet Gary Oldman was very convincing as Harry Truman
The ending scene warrants at least a few dozen sins off. I was speechless in the theatre
Agreed. Never had the ending to a movie move me more. Probably because it can still happen 😅
I would have been annoyed if someone was saying anything during any of the film in the cinema lol
linkin park: WHAT IVE DONE
*directed by: Michael Bay*
@@streetburner15😂 smash cut to nu metal
The guy next to me was hammered and wouldn't shut up but I still loved it@@angelusadgopul5388
“Taking in the sheets” has a double meaning which is that he didn’t want radioactive fallout from a successful test irradiating them.
I wish there was a sin taken off for Kitty's testimony towards the end of film. It demonstrated such a level of wit and keen intelligence masterfully told through Emily Blunts brilliant performance in such a well paced scene
the music change when she finally snaps out of it and puts it to the interviewer is incredible. The song is "Kitty Comes To Testify" and that moment when it finally turns, chills
@GregNeedsFriends no
That’s assuming cinemasins is having critical thoughts going on. He’d rather make an Aretha Franklin reference when they use the letters AEC. 🤦🏻♂️
Doesn't deserve the Oscar imo. She's done lot better roles
I recently learned that most of the stuff she says combating Roger Rob is almost verbatim from the actual transcripts, so she was well-spoken irl too
I feel like the attention to detail when the trinity test dropped and the shockwave travelled and got higher and higher pitched, enough so that the kids could hear it and start freaking out while the adults didnt hear anything should be recognized. I havent seen the movie with older adults yet but i wouldn’t be surprised if the adults in the theatre couldnt hear the ringing while the younger people could.
Amazing how a 3 hr movie only has 26 minutes of CinemaSins
28
Would have been better if it was 10
@@packedentertainment2866Ding
They should do Goodfellas, Casino, and the 2005 King Kong
They already did the 2005 King Kong
This scene does contain a lap dance. But there was no sin removal
I don’t think “dance” is the right word in this context.
That’s because we got to use the word Oppenheimered
He didn't seem to think it was hot enough to count as a lap dance
That’s… not what a lap dance is.
That’s… not what a lap dance is.
1:10 This was literally the second nomination that was rejected since the 1860s. It was considered a foregone conclusion that if the President nominated someone they would get approved.
And the one in the 1920s was only rejected because the Vice President showed up late and missed casting the tie breaking vote even with him tied to the recent Teapot Dome scandal.
So, yes, it had happened before and was possible but confirmation was essentially cinsidered a formality
Now I've become Jeremy, sinner if movies
but what are you if NOT movies?
*’I am’
I always enjoy the ERB Oppenheimer line "After your raps, I am become deaf"
*A DING as loud as a nuclear explosion suddenly scares us.
@@The_Real_Slim_Shadow94 Right, _that's_ the incorrect part of his sentence
I assumed they hadn’t done biopics before because that would basically be sinning someone’s life decisions
They have sinned the movie hustlers and the greatest showman before
It's not something they frequently do, but they do do it every once in a blue moon
@@beastlycharizard13tbf Greatest Showman is not an accurate depiction of Barnum’s life so it’s basically fiction anyway 😂
@antoniacosta6221 Yeah, the Greatest Showman is as much of a biopic about P. T. Barnum as Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a biopic about Sharon Tate.
Are you saying that no one in their life has ever sinned?
@@The_Real_Slim_Shadow94 The answer to that is dependent on your religion. In my experience the only ever non-sinners are religious figures.
If it weren't for Oppenheimer creating the nuclear bomb, Godzilla wouldn't be born.
No it’d be if the US hadn’t used it against Japan specifically
The "that's a baby Robert" sin was actually top tier humor
The “28 Years Later” line, and math, was pure genius!
surprised you didnt take a sin off for the fact that when oppie says " we will know in exaclt 1 hour 58 minutes" the nuke scene ends at 1:58 minutes into the movie ( depending on the cut you have, for me it was like 3 seconds early but still
Okay, but the idea that the movie is stretched out to accommodate this is unsettling
Oppenheimer: "Kitty? Kitty??"
Cinemasins: "...That's a baby."
i knew it was coming. still quality content.
My great grandpa worked at Los Alamos as a scientist. My grandpa told me that sometimes, Mr Oppenheimer would just walk into the house and have dinner with the family. (Edit. Grammar)
You’ve become Sins, the Destroyer of Cinema.
Can we add a sin for the fact that whatever the hell Oppie was speaking, it didn’t even resemble Dutch in the slightest
Like for real, I couldn't understand one bit of it
Dutch in a german accent
Maybe that was the point? Since he learned it in like 6 weeks.
@@sethlight2784 I think the point they tried to make is, that he was supposed to be super smart and able to learn a language in a short amount of time. If the students wouldn't be able to understand him, it would not be of any use.
I read "American Prometheus", and if I remember correctly it mentioned that Oppenheimer learned Dutch by himself in a short amount of time. So I would suppose that's why he knew the words and grammar, but not how to pronounce it, since he didn't speak Dutch with anyone before that lecture
Jeremy on fire, sinning a movie he actually loves, and even giving a nod to The Prometheus School Of Running Away From Things?? HELL YEAH
Tbh it would be in keeping with RDJ's character to correct Oppy on the pronunciation of his name the first time even if Oppy said it correctly
That’s the best ending sentence in CinemaSins history.
Thomas Shelby creating the atomic bomb is something I had no idea about but I’m way here for it. Now I have become peaky blinder the destroyer of worlds
By order of the Peaky Fucking Heimers!
I'm not surprised by Robert Capa creating a bomb - it is, like, his main expertise.
texas hold'em, or just "hold'em" came into being sometime (potentially) in the 50's or 60's, so for a person in an historical biopic to say "pocket aces" would have been incongruous, like a guy wearing a rolex in a western - ding
Britannica dates Texas hold’em to the early 1900s, which seems to be corroborated by other sources. Anyway, there were other card games with pocketed and community cards before Texas hold’em (or poker even).
23:38 Lost it laughing at the timing of Josh Hartnett turning around and leaving after realizing he's outnumbered in the "movies named after multiples of 10" department.
25:46 He didn't single him out for no reason. He said a group of 3 hold outs led by a young politician from Massachusetts, Strauss asked who, and the first guy said that Kennedy was the leader of the hold outs.
Taking Kyoto off the list because of cultural significance and that the person honeymooned there actually DID happen. It’s pretty well documented and having been to Kyoto I’m glad the US didn’t drop the bomb there.
Also the USA didn't want to accidentally flash fry the Emperor, as they needed someone alive to surrender
@@braydenfarrell1177 the emperor moved to Tokyo in 1868, so that's not a reason to avoid hitting Kyoto.
Dangit. Now I want to watch Oppenheimer again.
25:40
"Please don't let him put on a suit made of Iron ever again".
6 months later: Now he is Dr. Doom.
Well that didn't age well 😅🤣😂
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this film but the staging of the original Los Alamos lab is fantastic. My grandfather is now retired from the Los Alamos National Lab and lives just outside in White Rock, NM. I've visited a number of times and been to all of the museums, the boys school lodge (which they shot in for the movie) and it all looks perfect.
Cinemasins explained why Oppenheimer was the best candidate to lead the Manhattan Project in a single sentence better than the movie could in 3 hrs.
Ding!
ONE exposition scene where some lackwit asks his aid "Tell me about this guy" as they walk down a hallway. Not Nolan, NO SIR. Infuriatingly close to a great director.
*I would like the world to know that the movie "Godzilla Minus One" is the sequel to Oppenheimer.*
As much as I enjoyed the movie, the editing game me whiplash. There are so many characters in a 3 hour movie that we jump between that I was exhausted by the end of it.
Nolan Movies are always watch twice
It just never let you rest it just bombards you with stuff 😂
I can't say I felt the same... I knew very well who everyone was after the 8th time I watched the movie... (No that's not a joke, I loved it so much I would go alone every weekend and watch it)
12:00 Except there were many spies in the Manhattan Project and the Soviets absolutely could not have built a nuke by 1949 without them.
ur expecting too much from someone who cherry picks movies for entertainment
@@Ginrikuzumathat’s exactly what it is. Entertainment.
No just Vivian Fuchs
@@Saltybuher Hall? Greenglass? They were arguably the most important alongside Fuchs as they provided different aspects of the program.
But you had others like Koval and Seborer that were of lesser importance.
@@Saltybuher Klaus Fuchs was the spy discovered at Los Alamos. There were other spies at other locations involved in the Manhattan Project. This assumes that western counter-intelligence discovered them all.
The Godzilla roar at the end was perfect😂
At 10:01 you can hear Robbin Williams, i know its not him but dammit my ears perked the hell up when i heard it
Whoa!
I couldn’t stop hearing Robin throughout the whole movie! It was uncanny.
I heard that too! I think thought I was just dumb
Wow, I never noticed that.
@@capncake8837it’s uncanny
10:26
Omg it’s the head elf from the Santa Clause! I kept looking at him and I couldn’t place him until now.
How can you not hear the difference in the way Cillian pronounces "Strauss"? And he even played it twice ahahaha 🙄😅
He is losing his hearing
Completely different pronunciations, for sure!
CinemaSins guy is hearing impaired.
Well he did mispronounce los Alamos directly after hearing so he must have hearing problems
Seeing the Atomic Bomb go off in IMAX is hands down on of the best theatre experiences ever! Really hope Cinemasins can cover Godzilla Minus One.
I agree! Seeing it in IMAX was the best way to watch it.
Two that you missed.. the streetcar in San Francisco isn’t on any tracks. And the scene after the Trinity explosion shows an American flag that has too many stars on it for its time.
14:33 the flask was clearly on the floor before the purse fell down
I think this is pretty much the first movie based off a true story Cinemasins has ever done. No movie truly is without sin
they did EEAAO 🤭 (it _could_ be nonfiction-in some universe, somewhere, at some time)
And they sinned a bunch of shit that shouldn’t be sinned and ignored things that should be because they don’t actually do their jobs anymore, they just put together something to throw out and call it a day
A major issue I had with the movie was about Strauss. He was a much more complex character than what is shown in the movie (even though rdj hit it out of the park it only shows the political ambition and his machiavellianism in the political arena, while leaving out some of the positive impacts he had). He advocated for helping refugees before and during WW2 and helped create Atoms for Peace, which led to peaceful utilization of nuclear energy in multiple countries after the war. Aholes can be good people and/or do good things and good people can be aholes and/or do ahole things. Oppenheimer himself demonstrates this. I think leaving out this complexity about Strauss should have been highlighted as a sin, though to be fair the movie is about Oppenheimer and not Strauss. I just think RDJ's performance would have been even more interesting if they had captured that "duality". Of course the movie would have probably been longer then lol.
But the movie wasn't about Strauss. It was about Oppenheimer and the hatchet job Strauss did on him.
@davidmajors514 I said as much.
3:20 : Strauss vs. Straws - I think the filmmakers just wanted to emphasize the pettiness and vanity of Strauss. As a German speaker Oppenheimer would have know the original German pronounciation of the name: /straʊs/ STROWSS German: [ʃtʁaʊs] but he actually says "Straws" knowing it is how Strauss likes to hear his name and wants it to be pronounced. Strauss being petty automatically corrects him without really listening to Oppenheimer. I think it was a nice detail to show what the two characters are up against.
0:19 Twinkling stars can be caused by space gases in between the stars and earth, not just earths orbit.
I’m not sure when the channel started doing this but I really appreciate adding the transcription of the movie’s dialogue, not just transcribing the commentary, it’d been bothering me for years 😅
1:28 You're here because they just announced the "28 Years Later" movie we've all been waiting for!
I'm glad this book reading, movie colab went down. Kind of a rough movie to do, I would think, but the video was amazing.
Now do Fritz the cat.
Yes Cinemasins, Göttingen is a real place 😊 It's a German university town and I happen to live here. Liebe Grüße :)
Me too 😊 LG ^^
7:44 Molotov Ribbentrop pact of 1939 , not Hitler Stalin pact.
Also what part of “neutral” is dividing Poland in 1/3 and 2/3.
This has to be the one where Nolan finally gets his Oscar!
"Mr. Oppenheimer, I come bearing grave news. It would appear that the Japslayer 3000 Ultrakill has been used for.. an unforseen purpose."
Sentence: GODZILLA That Killed Me There JAJAJAJAJA
well there goes tokyo
for the newspaper (7:17) the color scenes are subjective so the invasion of Poland is highlighted more due to Oppenheimer's subjective remembering that as the overlining topic of the paper, so its possible the inaccuracy with the real paper is consistent with Robert just remembering the invasion
Anyone else get Robin Williams vibes when ever Oppenheimer talked? Swear that’s where Cillian Murphy got his American accent from.
English accent? The accent he's putting on for Oppenheimer is an American accent, not English. And Cillian Murphy's native accent is Irish.
@@SanctusPaulus1962 good catch meant American and have updated it. Thanks
11:17 The movie absolutely does tell us why the word "gadget" is used over "bomb", and it does so implicitly for Oppenheimer's internal struggle on creating a weapon with his expertise, a thematic detail that already got a sin removal just a minute prior
"How 'bout them poisoned apples" was classic
Cillian did say strauss not straws. Time to get your hearing checked lol
I'm fairly certain I remember hearing that the narrator for Cinemasins is partially deaf. Which is why they always use subtitles
I heard Straws both times as well, all five times I watched the film in the theatre
Fellow Dutch person here. I was really expecting a mayor sin for the scene in which Oppenheimer supposedly speaks Dutch. Everyone in the theater was waiting for that scene beforehand to try and understand what he was saying. I´ve heard Cillian Murphy recited over 3000 Dutch words for that specific scene. He really should´ve put more time in trying to adequately speak Dutch so that a real Dutch person could understand it. You know, because that´s supposedly whats happening in the lecture he´s giving in Leiden.
So he's got the different words right by themselves, but not together. Is that it?
I read "American Prometheus", and if I remember correctly it mentioned that Oppenheimer learned Dutch by himself in a short amount of time. So I would suppose that's why he knew the words and grammar, but not how to pronounce it, since he didn't speak Dutch with anyone before that lecture
the pronunciation was completely off @@TheDanishGuyReviews
I laughed so hard at the “Godzilla” sentence 😅😂🤣
10:43 ginkgo leaf pattern curtains: foreshadow of mushroom cloud. & a fairly common tree in Japan, many gingko survived the bombings.
Why Kyoto was taken off the list actually is 100% accurate. Him and his wife did honeymoon there so it had sentimental value and he didn’t want to bomb it for that reason
8:40 This was surely Nolan recognizing the immense gravity of this quote and how poorly executed it was in terms of capturing it. It signified so much about their relationship, how and why he used beer and shovels. How he clearly had thought about it and had it locked & loaded knowing Strauss’ objections to the isotopes. It was intellectually humiliating. Can’t imagine even a movie this large would reshoot an entire pick up shot even for a Nolan production . The “early” laugh could signify even the reporters immediately understood the checkmate in the statement. The shovel is the punchline considering if he stopped at that word you’d still understand the meaning. And adding a simple laugh track in post seems a lot more affordable to mostly achieve a historically accurate correction
“Can’t I complain about something?”
-67 “dings” already exist💀
6:17 is the same logic I use to defend myself against coffee drinkers
Two points
1. The Stimson honeymoon thing is real. He did vacation there with his wife and that gave him a respect for how beautiful and important to the Japanese it was.
2. Sure, there were other ways to end the war, but they were very bloody and would’ve taken longer. Each day the war went on, Japan was massacring 1000s of Southeast Asian civilians.
9:00 This is in berkeley, he lives with the Tollmans when he is in pasedena. Sin right there
I'm not sure if it should be a sin that Feynman only makes a super brief appearance in the movie (he's the one with the bongos in the physicist party scene) or if it's just an Easter egg for people who know who Feynman is. I mean, the movie isn't about him, but he did get up to a lot of shenanigans at Los Alamos.
I remember him as being on one of the scientists that investigated the cause of the Challenger explosion.
Though Feynman did get up to a lot in Los Alamos he would’ve been the first to admit that his role on the project was a lot of the lower level stuff working under Hans Bethe (when he was invited to los alamos he was still in college and didn’t even have his degree yet ). He also did have the scene refusing to use the goggles which was a fun mention.
@23:50 "MERMAIDS" is actually the leading principle in reducing/increasing the fission potential of Uranium, so there should be a sin removal for that!
This was the best video in a long time, Jeremy. I really appreciate the Dr Strangelove references. Mermaid gap lmao.
In my opinion, in order to enjoy this movie, you have to see Veritasium's video on Oppenheimer. This way you already know the majority of the names and facts and you can enjoy the film rather than trying to figure things out while watching it. Big names like Einstein, Bohr and some of their theories are nice to know so you can understand their characters and more importantly, how damn well they are executed in this movie!
Jim Carrey meme: "Oh boy... Here we go!"
I can confirm: Göttingen is a real place in Germany and is a really lovely city with loads of history and academic stuff, also lot of good bars 🌝
You know it’s a good day when cinema sins uploads
6:11 This coffee statement alone earned you a like
I’m here to inform you that they indeed let RDJ wear a suit of iron again or whatever Dooms suit is made of my point is they failed us and you tried to prevent it 😂
"Why can't Nolan be concerned with the passage of time for once?" is one of many wonderful nods in this video to Christopher Nolan's other works and for how quickly and casually these jokes are said, they're really clever.
The second part sequel to Oppenheimer was amazing as well...Godzilla Minus One? The best movies in 2023.
19:20
you're right, there was many ways to get japan to surrender, which included
A: Continuing the firebombing of Japan until they eventually surrender
B: A full invasion of the Japanese Mainland, which would have resulted in much, much higher casualties, as the japanese people, even after the dropping of the two bombs, were fully prepared to fight to the last man, woman, and child
C: Dropping all 9 planned nuclear bombs on Japan
D: The Dropping of the bombs, as well as threat of a Russian Invasion as well
D is ultimately what happened, the Japanese didn't even want to surrender after the first 2 bombs, and only once there was also threat of the Russians invading, did the Japanese decide to surrender to the US, which would have been far more merciful than the Russians, who, still held a heavy grudge over the Russo-Japanese War, and as we see with what happened on the Eastern Front of the European war, the Russians were extremely brutal fighters, doing to the Germans what the Germans did to them during Barbarossa.
So no, The lie didn't end up killing hundreds of thousands, the truth did, and it helped save the Japanese Culture and People from being erased from the planet.
The lazarus pit sin needs slight adjustment. The chanting you are referring to was from the dark knight rises when Bruce Wayne was escaping from the prison in a pit.
I love how a 3 hour long movie can be sinned in a 28 minute CinemaSins video. Really shows you how great this movie is
And I KNOW, you have a MTG deck built and ready to battle.
7:39 noooo... did you just randomly rename Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact? 🤣 DING!!!!!
That additional 200,000 sins hurt my soul. Really wanted this to go under 100. You should have removed them later for the Trinity scene
The additional sins reflect the nearly 200,000 Japanese civilians who were killed by the bombs, and therefore cannot be removed.
People forget how fanatical and dangerous the Japanese people were perceived as then. Kamakaze was considered an honor and Emporer Hirohito was considered to be a God and of divine providence. The US Believed they would have to go to every island and the mainland to force a surrender taking months or years and far more casualties. The bomb itself was considered to not be the heavy moral choice it is now. Oppenheimer saw the ramifications earlier than about everyone.
@@sheboyganshovel5920 Dude, they were literally instructed to fight to the last man, woman, and child by their own government. If the US had attempted a mainland invasion, MILLIONS would've been dead. Fuck outta here with that
Lol the interaction between Scarecrow and Iron Man after Apple bought them. 😂 Don't know why but this got me to giggle
lmao The Godzilla sentence was gold
@~7:40, the USSR approached France and the UK first seeking to ally against the nazis in the Triple Alliance Negotiations, but the brits said no because they were more afraid of communism than nazis
Hollywood needs the old-school auteurs like Nolan more than ever
This is hands down one of the best cinema sins in ages. I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Well done guys.
Adding 200,000 sins is crazy
I mean it is propaganda that room did have several ideas of how the war would end saying the A bomb was the only way is historically inaccurate in a damaging way.
That man's honeymoon actually was part of the consideration when wiping Kyoto off the list of targets. 18:57
The guy is sinning the actual historical events is crazy
My favorite sin"ish" @ 3:45, "if you don't come out of this movie thinking Oppenheimer is a kind of unaware dick, then sin is on you". The "lowly" shoe salesman thing from him was kinda ignorant and I think that was the point tbh.
3:26
They're not saying the same thing. Oppie is pronouncing the vowel like you would with "brass". RDJ is pronouncing it like you would with "cross"
My hot bean water has caffeine in it, and caffeine is worth imbibing.
Tea and soda have caffeine, too. But they actually taste good
You keep your hot leaf water, I"ll keep my hot bean water thanks@@thrackerzodthefandomnerd4267