Vingegaard's Crash was 100% Avoidable. Here's the Evidence.
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2024
- Jonas Vingegaard crash Itzulia 2024 is one of the worst crashes in cycling in recent years, involving other stars like Primoz Roglic, Remco Evenepoel, Jay Vine, Mikel Landa the next day or Steff Cras. However, it could have been 100% avoided if the race organization was competent, and Vingegaard had not depended on some old Basque Country dinosaurs in their Tour of the Basque Country 2024. The best of Vingegaard's recoveries for a Tour de France 2024, where already the main favorite is Tadej Pogacar.
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The organizer, a repeat offender in painful situations for the cyclists, blaming the cyclists for their speed. This only happens in Spain.
Imagine blaming the Athletes for racing in a racing sport
There are the same who whenever cyclists have a rest day on a competition day makes silence or the same whenever breakaway pacts happened because of the peloton mafia didn’t said anything
Only whenever ppl criticized them
Dumb organizer like this should have been banned by UCI...but what to do, UCI also sleeping...
It should be more of a blame to the Basque Country rather than the whole of Spain, we saw that in the Volta Catalunya nothing happened
@sergi Esas cosas las hemos visto también en la Vuelta España
Sagan todavía está acordándose de Guillén por la motocicleta. En España primero el dinero, luego las disculpas, es intrínseco a los políticos, empresarios y ciudadanos que ocultan su dinero a Hacienda o que cuando ganan un poco de dinerito se van a los paraísos fiscales más cercanos.
Cycling races are dangerous, descends are highlights and amazing to watch, there's no way to protect 200 km of road, but FFS whoever decided that that corner didn't need 10 meters of barriers should be ashamed of themselves.
They can ban excessive speed on the desent
Speed and power should be determined on the flat and climbing
Not by mad riders who fly 85 k"m an hour on desent but can't climb
They can ban excessive speed on the desent
Speed and power should be determined on the flat and climbing
Not by mad riders who fly 85 k"m an hour on desent but can't climb
@@user-vb2bt9kh1p they could all stay at home and be perfectly safe...
That's just bike racing, there's some small risks, that's what makes it exciting to watch....
It has not been mentioned that a rider in the breakaway over cooked the same corner and went off into the forest omens before the main peloton.
It was a dangerous descent for all, except Eraso
They had 2+ hours to consider positioning a flag man at that corner.
Burgaudeau- I saw it on the Basque "EITB" channel- he went off where they crashed and got back on the road at the next culvert and boulder pile almost identical about 30-40m further on.... Not sure if him and the other 3 in the breakaway were together prior to this but the footage I saw had him on the grass AHEAD of the 3 riders on the road(!) so I think they either all overcooked it, or saw the road surface and hauled on the anchors.
Jay Vine by far the worst injuries... but it's all about Vingegard..
Yes, very underreported. Watching it live i feared i was watching a dead man in a ditch tbh. No surprise Vine suffered very nasty injuries. Awful.
They didn't want to release the names due to respecting the families.
R.I.P. Fabio Casartelli
Totally agree with you , ex-Pro "Jensi"- Voigt ( Eurosport-commentator) also did not want to criticize the Organizers ! Astonishing ! To say the least !!
And totally agree -- Hansen is making an absolute fool out of himself . Where was his critic about the race organization ? About the missing thick covering layers over the boulders and the concrete ditch ? Hey Hansen -- I am talking to you !
The President of the French Professional Cyclist Union just said disc brakes are dangerous and the riders hate them. He also made similar comments on carbon bikes and the tires the riders are forced to use.
Pro riders union threatens to go legal in row over disc brakes in the pro peloton.
Totally agree with the riders having came off twice with back wheel lock up plus my front brake failed on a very fast downhill
Blaming equipment is a good way to escape the real debate. If they don’t want crashes in descents, they can neutralize the race like in some sportives. As long as there is a competition, competitors will try to go as fast as possible.
With the speed that the pro peloton can go these days I feel like going back to rim brakes will be a massive mistake and cause yet more crashes
can't modulate their brakes
@@thegreatseprano9918 imagine rim brakes on rainy and muddy paris roubaix
I live in the area and know the descent fairly well. Is it dangerous? Definitely. Is it especially dangerous? I wouldn't say so, not compared to many other descents in road cycling. The organizers should be sued for not protecting that cement ditch and the rock, that was a death trap.
Also, as an old fart that has been watching cycling since for ever, there was definitely a change in the way the peloton behaves when first Lance and then Sky became obsessed with keeping the front of the pack at all times. With the globalization of cycling, especially to the Anglo-Saxon world, the sport has definitely become more aggressive, and that is also part of what is going own here (crashes have increased in all races, not just the itzulia)
I now stand ready to be torched 😊
I think you make a good point although I see it as a combination of 'Anglo-Saxon' influence plus corporate big money driving results-pressure, TV coverage from the neutralised start onwards, and radio-controlled racing. In the 80s the first hour of a stage was an off-camera extended warm up with gossip and deal-making opportunities. Everything became turbo-charged from the late 80s onwards.
@@drphibes7666 that's absolutely true, radios and tv coverage also had a huge influence. Maybe even the points system, that forces everyone to be competitive all the time may have also played a role...
You are 100 percent right.
Yes, torched you shall be :)
Eddy Merckx always said the race leader’s responsibility is to be and lead from the front, so it’s not really a new thing.
What is new is the much larger amounts of money at stake, and that drives the competition. Teams and riders are willing to take the risks for the benefits received.
And the fans like it, competition is intense and exciting. Everyone wins :)
I was watching this with my world history student. Boy... We were all just silent for quite a while.
For a channel that some ridicule, this is the best analysis of the crash I've watched.
It's a channel that brings ridicule to cycling - however, it doesn't mean they don't often expose the facts.
Reminds me of the infamous quote from organiser Vernon Cooper when asked about the dangerous Isle Of Man motrocycle TT circuit. He replied "the throttle works both ways"
Isle of Man TT is probably 1000x more dangerous than cycling. Maybe 4 deaths per year? That's totally crazy. I love to watch the race, but it really is a death race.
@@KevinKimmich44024 yes it's crazy dangerous, I've ridden around the circuit & have total respect for anyone who races there. Imagine complaining to the organisers about safety & they reply if you think it's dangerous, slow down. The sheer arrogance of the man (this is some years ago btw) Cooper was chairman of the ACU.
@@Free_Ranger_CT110 think about it, what else could he say…. they can’t buy up all the property for 50 meters on either side of the road, and make the island into a giant moto gp track…
@@PRH123 I've been to the island to watch the races twice & have ridden around the track. The competitors know the risks & accept those risks, but Vernon's remark seemed to me arrogant, uncaring & what you'd expect the chairman of the ACU to say.
Points to consider:
1. Dangerous roads should be highlighted to riders and surely someone has got some cheap hay bales to put down as barriers.
2. Does more indoor training deplete cycling skills ?
3. Do radios distract riders ?
4. Could better protective clothing be designed ?
5. Do narrow handlebars create a bunching effect ?
6. Disks allow/encourage later braking - less margin for error ?
7. Are hookless rims safe at high speeds ?
8. Put spectators further away from cyclists
9. Mandatory for lights and brake level activated brake lights
10. Limit chainring size, still keep the aero gains but make pushing downhill and on the flat less quick.
11. Accelerometers could be added to racers' bikes. When a crash is detected, a warning could be broadcast over the riders' radios.
12. Most injuries are upper body, especially clavicles, ribs, etc. Could there be a connection to clips not releasing quickly enough during a crash ?
13. Enforce wider tyres for more grip surface.
14. Limit wheel depth. Deep wheels are twitchy in the wind.
15. What about the obsession with power numbers and looking down too much ?
16. AI race layout for turns and speed will help.
17. Traffic furniture , organisers setting routes that were fine 10 to 20yr ago that are not fit for purpose , poor road infrastructure, road surface etc, disc brakes with the road craft of the Peleton unable to moderate their speed.
18. A bike is ridden with balance. The balance is in your ear. Putting people 6'4" tall (Phinney) on a 54cm bike is insanity.
19. Speed limits and radar check on a dangerous downhill sections. Disqualification if you broke it.
20. Could lack of oxygen in the blood be leading to more accidents? Perhaps athletes are arriving more depleted towards the end of the race ?!
21. ~48km/h on cobbles? For 260km? bonkers !
Irony of watching this vid the day before the peloton are due to ride over 50km of wet cobbles towards Roubaix.
I take the cobbles any time, wouldn't you? Unless you like high speed cornering with concrete and rocks.🤓
@@bjornalm9950 there's always going to be road furniture or precipitous drops. Roubaix is nuts, I've done the sportive twice.
No matter if they’ve raced this descent Previously, Having slabs of concrete and boulders that close to the road on a high speed descent that aren’t protected by a whole bunch of hay bails and some makeshift barriers is inexcusable. Inexpensive and easy to install and while won’t prevent the crash can prevent the very serious or fatal crash. Dumb shit
Mountains are full of rocks... Didn't see any slabs of concrete... That's just bike racing... It's meant to be a little risky and so exciting to watch...
Is this a spanish thing? Yes, it must be. Remember the first TT stage in the Vuelta in pitch darkness in the evening.
David Lappartient " Fifty percent of the falls are due to their attitude. I'm not here to say it's their fault, it could be a moment of inattention.
That's also why we want to introduce a principle of yellow and red cards, like in soccer, so that dangerous attitudes are better punished "
Lappartient what a meme
I weigh almost 90kg and I find the power of hydraulic brakes always intimidating. In dry conditions, tarmac, I can manage. If the road is wet, no matter where, I keep my hand completely away from the front brake. It is a guaranteed fall in case of a sudden grasp to break for an emergency. If I need to break in a bend, wish me good luck.
I can only imagine how hard and risky it is for those featherweight guys!
The head of organization needs to be held responsible and disciplined and prosecuted, for his ignorance on dangerous issues he allowed!!!
Cycling Commentary Like No Other ! Cycling Highlights the most informative and entertaining....Thanks Again
Even the novice viewer, could see that was a terrible corner, especially with that cement, drainage, diverter☠️
Those of you who say crashing is just an inevitable part of cycling, can you please explain why the tdf has so many barriers and people with flags warning riders to slow down in dodgy areas, and padding and haybails around risky corners, large warning signs pointing out road furniture etc? You are saying those are not necessary? If they prevent and or reduce crashes, isnt that a good thing? Don't we want the best riders in the world competing for the biggest races to have the best competition and not just who wasn't so injured already from poorly designed and negligent courses?
The TdF doesn't have that in every turn. This was a very routine turn and totally unexpected
It's also not even close to the first time this turn has been in a big race.
And still the TdF has the most crashes of all races, every year. Why? Because of too much nervousness, too many riders, too many motorbikes and cars, too much hype.
You can place barriers all you want, they crash in the middle of a wide and smooth road.
You cannot compare the Tours budget to that of the Basque Country race
I already stopped watching that race and I have permanently crossed it out because apparently it is a morbid carnage. The remaining cyclists should perhaps abandon it in protest.
That was very much a routine turn and totally a fluke accident. With single day races covering +150km, it's really impossible to get rid of all the hazards that aren't on the course, and it's even harder when it's a moving stage race. They very likely passed much more dangerous things earlier in the stage without issue. This was an everything going wrong at the least expected time moment.
All about Vin apparently. Some others may have also been badly injured but never mind about them. A few hay bales on that corner may have made all the difference, or not. We shall never know for sure. In all seriousness, thanks for the retrospective of those who have been badly injured or killed in the past. Its a sobering reminder things can go bad at any time in this sport.
I’ve ridden the Blue Ridge Mountains of N.C. for over 30 years. It is my responsibility to select a speed for downhill corners. I have exceeded 55 mph but never crashed. And I use rim brakes. Racing is a different story where risks are taken to win. A single rider mistake can take down half the peleton. Teams scouting a race route should know the danger zones just as I do on my rides. I think disc brakes seduce riders to approach corners too fast then extraordinary bike handling is required to prevent crashes. Not everyone in the peleton is an excellent bike handler. Again, a single mistake wipes out many. The corner involved in the crash should have been protected with hay bales due to boulders and a concrete gutter. You can’t protect an entire race route but this corner was a flashing red light. Aero carbon bikes with disc brakes may be faster but tires have a limit of adhesion. You don’t want to find that limit on a curve in a fast descent.
Huge rocks and a concrete ditch at the exit of a high speed descending corner? WTF??!! This is criminal..
I don't agree with blaming the organizer. Anybody who has spent any time on a road bike should understand that the whole purpose of having drop handlebars is for cornering and sprinting. What are these people doing a corner like that on their hoods? I think they have some sort of death wish. Of coarse he slid out.
In Basque Country there are a lot of mountains with much better roads than Olaeta or the Vader one. But this organizer is obsessed with the short gap differences and having final party in Éibar. The roadcourse was so bad for a 100th edition of the race and also with big stars racing it.
Itzulia it’s a great race with a lot of tradition, but they have to renew some ppl and ideas there
Riders have chosen to stay on their hoods significantly more now after finding out that it's more aerodynamic. You generally get fit in the wind tunnel on the hoods now too. That wasn't true over 10yrs ago
The obsession with slammed stems does not help. Or maybe the human spine has developed in the last 30 years!
@tinniswood2577 depends on who you are. Everyone is different and can produce power in different positions. I'm long done road racing. But my 16cm/6.5" drop hasn't changed for almost 20years. Never had any discomfort from that drop and baring severe injury, I don't expect to anytime soon.
I have increased my reach over that time but not the drop. I'm slammed with a -12 or -17 140mm stem depending on which bike I'm riding.
*The drop to my aerobars have decreased but that's thanks to UCI rule changes. They're still very low though
Cycling more dangerous than F1 and MotoGP ..... what a JOKE!! UCI and organizers have failed.
of course pro cycling is more dangerous than F1 and MotoGP. Cycling is not in a control evenrimento or over a few miles, is thousands of miles, no protection, espectators holes in the roads, decents, anyway..
@@user-bv8bc7hg3jThe dangers can be mitigated with route selection and marshals warning of hazards.
As an amateur roadbike racer in the '80s, I helped plan some routes. We rode each kilometre looking for dangerous sections and thought about the best ways to keep everyone safe.
Have I crashed, even on the safe routes?
At least a dozens times. And NEVER at high speed simply because our race organisers were racers, not idiots.
@@backalleycqc4790
I agree that the course was perilous, and even some cyclists have expressed concerns about today's stage due to its bumpy road conditions. There have been reports suggesting that roots are growing beneath the asphalt, further adding to the hazards.
However, when comparing the risks of professional cycling to motorsports like MotoGP and Formula 1, the data clearly shows a significant difference. In Formula 1, aside from the tragic death of Ayrton Senna in 1994, fatal accidents are relatively rare. Similarly, while MotoGP is considered a dangerous sport due to the high speeds and risks involved, fatalities are infrequent, and safety measures have improved significantly over the years.
In contrast, professional cycling presents a much higher level of risk. Every year, there is tragically at least one fatality either during training or in a race at the professional level. Additionally, hundreds of amateur cyclists lose their lives annually participating in the sport. The inherent dangers of cycling are amplified when you consider the speeds at which these professionals are racing; any minor mistake can lead to a catastrophic outcome.
Given these risks, I believe it's inevitable that professional cyclists will adopt more advanced safety measures in the coming decade. Just as MotoGP and Formula 1 racers wear specialized helmets and protective suits, cyclists may soon need to incorporate similar protective gear to ensure their safety, especially when contending with the intense competition and high speeds involved in professional racing.
F1 was deadly until racers protest! It will be same in cycling.
@@ananovak1468 It's been boring ever since.
If lesser riders would have fall, no one would have cared. Today I can appreciate the efforts of Pogi last year to try to win the tour despite his injury. He was wise to avoid racing before the giro and tour.
A litlle different, I think you can traine whith a broken wrist, not on top ofcouce , but broken colarbone ,ribs , and punchered lunge must be a bigger set back
I love the Basque country. Genuine people, breathtaking scenery, robust wine, and murderous roads. Sadly, the roads I remember from riding there in the 80's are in about the same shape as many roads in the US now. I would wager that their roads are better.
Hansen is the most inept person in cycling. Absolutely pathetic.
Your ear is where your balance is. The line up through the head tube is where steering happens. When the ear is on this line the bike can be steered. When the bike is two sizes small because some wind-tunnel dork says it's "faster" he means it's "faster" when on a trainer in a wind tunnel.
A guy in an ambulance with a broken collarbone is also "faster".
Racing is a choice, not compulsory! Never heard a motorbike rider in the Isle of Man TT complaining about dodgy roads
Safety measures to protect cyclists are essential! Huge rocks and a concrete ditch at the exit of a high speed descending corner? WTF??!! That's a recipe for disaster..
Impossible not to notice the old fart's resemblance to Marion Rousse's arch-nemesis. Booze pals ?
Yup, it sure looks like it. I don't think that chucklehead has been on a bike in quite a few years. I must also say, and this'll be rude, he looks like he's about 70, however I'm sure he's much younger than that.
This video was actually good, it would be interesting to have a separate video about the finishing bottle as well. Have seen riders give some legal explanation about what is in there, but would like to hear what the french rider thinks is in there.
Later he said “100% no doping”
Only vitamines
Every downhill can be dangerous depending on how you choose to ride it
Awesomely done. Risk is inherent in the sport, but this seemed excessive and the consequence, should that turn create an issue, was medieval…. Guy shouldn’t resign he should be subject to a similar fate…. But, * 6, or however many riders were seriously injured.
RIP Gino
Great Video ! You hit the nail !
The race organization is absolutely responsible for what happened it this "slaughter-spot" !
They should have examined this descend much more carefully -- it was known already, that there is a rather "bumpy" road, and so one could have talked to all teams before the stage and find a way to brake the peloton down at least about 10-15km per hour only before this very curve.
They did not do this -- and even more sloppy they acted when they did not at all cover anything there on the very dangerous outer point of the curve ! Why the hell was there nothing to really cover in a proper way these horrible ( in case of crash ! ) boulders and this "bone and backbreaker" concrete ditch ?
Nothing at all !
Are they so complete idiots in this race organization ?
Way I saw it was Remco overcooked the corner and then braked unexpectedly, causing the lidl-trek rider behind to grab a handful of front brake, causing the crash. Notice Remco is in front and still went off course.
I am surprised it does not happen more often. The speed, the narrow wheels, the wet surfaces, The number of people in the peloton. It is a dangerous sport. I hope all recover soon.
Eraso and his organizers should be sued for not having barriers all the way around that corner
blaming the riders is insane! they were not even pushing on this decent...
The problem is the peleton is going too fast for the corners and the grip available. Years ago they would take the corners at a much slower pace, yes they happened years ago bit they was never as bad as now.
The rocks ideally shouldn't be there obviously..but imo the cyclists were unintentionally careless, they are Pros they should have studied the route better and be aware of the corner!! After all the majority of the Peloton didn't fell,right??all i am trying to say is that the fault isn't only of the organisation!!! Speedy recovery to all of them!!!❤
Have you seen how the crash happened? The front wheel of one cyclist slipped, and he fell off, which lead to a chain reaction and lots of crashes! Imagine descending at 80Kmh to see a crashing cyclist in front of you, and you try to avoid him just to see a monstrous pile of rocks and a concrete ditch waiting for you!? This is beyond criminal from the organizers..
“Eraso was/is slightly arrogant” - this sentence is more them mild! They just don’t care as long as money flows.
Basque banks are very important
Next year there will be a busy line in order to participate to this race! Better for them to prepare some wild card for Continental teams😂
Well done, this is probably the 'least' negative video I've seen from you in a while. Side question: do you actually hate cycling and riders? I rarely see anything that would make me think otherwise from your channel. In either case, sometimes I can deduce my own useful information from your overly negative videos. So, thanks.
Obviously not
This isn’t a hate channel
We could criticize the system or put nicknames to riders but I’m not hating any cyclist
Thanks, love the content
Thank you very much mate! Very important your support
if Pog wins in Italy and France he must do Spain for a triple like Team Visma last year...
Vingegaard objective of the season is Vuelta so don’t think so
Pogi prefers Olympics
Meawhile us mtb folk hurtle ourselves down the the shittiest trail conditions for fun..... Ya'all knew what that corner was about, yet Ya'all still charged into it like you're in a final sprint.... WTF did you think was gonna happen.... blaming the organizers for a mix of testosterone, ego, pride, apparent inability to read the track conditions.... lame... aren't professional riders suppesed to have bike handling skills and do track recon.... literally in today's world of instant info, not one of them saw this corner and thought, just maybe for this corner lets dial it back for the less than 2 seconds it will take to clear it.... nah, bruh.... charge hard as.....
spot on👍
I think races have to get a grip. This was a route which wouldn't separate out the riders. Lots of small climbs with downhill finishes. This means that many riders were still struggling to find time so the racing was nuts. If the UK's CTT was in charge then they'd not have any of the stages. Remco's fall at the TT was a good casing study for sticking in stupid corners. Basque is wet and the roads are narrow and twisty. These nasty roads should only be for uphill finishes and having crazy descents to the finish is asking for trouble. I'm also amazed how the top 3 riders went in to this head first, almost literally. It's ok riding to train for their targets but these top riders are in very good form and want to beat one another. The Tour is their main goal so other team riders should be given the chance to shine. The top Tour riders can help their team mates in being a Gregario for a week and avoid having to go nuts in these lesser races and keep safe. It's a boring conclusion I say, in that, the Race routes need to try harder at keeping riders safe and also the GC riders shouldn't be taking risks all season long. They got Team mates to share out the prizes. :)
Chris Horner mentioned that the camera footage of the injured was the only way his wife knew that he was alive during his career because it's instant information, rather than hiding it at least loved ones can see what's happening.
The rest of your points, absolutely - cycling needs to be made safer and listen to the people that are racing for where things are dangerous
y al día siguiente se cae Landa y se rompe la clavícula...esta edición está maldita
Ok, the Tour de france is over for vingegaard 😢
Why's that?
Guys, what do you think about Jonas ,Remco due to these injuries will be not able to participate to TDF24, or they will have enough time?...thanks for your reply...😊😊😊
Remco will participate at 100% full conditions in TdF
Jonas will participate but not at his best level because he will stay stopped without riding a bike until the second week of may
No mention of the fact that today's racers (for a good decade plus now, especially in the past five years) crash a great, great, great deal of the time........, vastly, monumentally far more than "back in the day"........... No one dares to answer the obvious as to why.
Thank goodness there are never any dangerous descents in the TdF...
How about covering the concrete water drainage pits with, uh, I dunno? Anything flat???? The race organizers and the riders previewing the course in training should've pointed out the potential danger. The crash would've been less brutal if they could've scattered across the grass and looked for bailouts.
Yes and if they were walking instead on a bike
Then they hit the trees even harder...
@@barrycorney3665 Oh, that concrete culvert is there to catch the riders softly??? Others missed it and just bailed in the grass. I'm sure they were beat up too, but grass = soft... concrete = hard.
@@petedog9581 Unrealistic- sanitise every stage of every long race with dangerous features?? MotoGP run offs is that what you think they could do? Remco bunny hopped the ditch, missed the boulders and trees and still is now out as he went over the bars instead of laying it down.... Visma did a recon of the course at the start of the year apparently and knew the surface of the road was crap and had roots under it, yet dumbass Jonas still wiped out on it.... Road furniture (Obstacles more like-the blight of every road user) is a way bigger threat to safety I'd say and every year there's more of it...
@@barrycorney3665 exactly…
the worlds in Dubai was the most boring race I’ve ever seen, riding on a 50 meter wide smooth highway with no hills, no sharp turns, dullest and least competitive race I’ve ever seen…. the attempts by some to try to turn pro road racing into F1 have to be resisted lest it become dull as dishwater…
I'd only race cyclo, crit or xc but not road, uts just way too dangerous at high speed and regular road
crits are dangerous too, have the scars and surgery artifacts to attest
@@dervingilbert yeah Crits are dangerous too
Cycling is inherently dangerous if you're strong enough to make the bike go 20+ mph and you're on the open road, or have obstacles along the route... you can do things to mitigate the risk and maybe never have a bad injury, but once you're racing, or even in group rides, the chances of a big injury go way up. About 10 years ago I decided to quite racing after a hospital trip from a crash, and then I realized about 10 guys of the 80-100 people I raced with regularly had been injured pretty seriously in training rides or races. I know a guy who was life flighted to hospital for a crash in a cyclocross race. The danger is part of what makes it fun and exciting too... Being sedentary is probably more dangerous, so now I just train like I am going to race, and don't race or do group rides.
Nice job
Cycling Highlights as usual, does not comprehend that if the teams have maps of course, they requiter the course months before the race.
All teams obviously have maps of the route before the race to prepare but don't do recons on all courses and routes for obvious reasons
All teams obviously have maps of the route before the race to prepare but don't do recons on all courses and routes for obvious reasons
All teams obviously have maps of the route before the race to prepare but don't do recons on all courses and routes for obvious reasons
All teams obviously have maps of the route before the race to prepare but don't do recons on all courses and routes for obvious reasons
When you do a reconnaissance of a route on a bike, not by car or Google maps, of course you can identify the danger areas. However, when you do a reconnaissance, it's with only a couple of bikes and not the entire peloton and at speed.
Cycling Highlights has a great grasp of cycling and racing, it's your knowledge I question.
So you're saying Vingegaard knew of the dangerous points on the route, had ridden them previously snd still crashed? And he doesn't take any blame?
The irony of castigating other media (social and mainstream) for their accident coverage whilst doing the exact same is hilarious.
Maybe zwift racing coverage is more to your liking since you appear to whine about everything to do with real world cycling.
Came here to say this. If Vingo was aware of the danger on that descent the fault is entirely his. At least 90% of the peleton rode it without crashing
You didn’t understand anything
I criticized other media for putting the footage one time and another in their first pages whenever they didn’t talk about cycling for anything else or only in big races
And yes, he knew it, he told it and anybody did nothing. It’s whenever WvA crashed in Arenberg. He knew it was a hot point but crashed anyways. That things happen in cycling.
@@cyclinghighlights So, gatekeeping cycling coverage. If fringe cycling coverage didn't exist, how would you draw new fans to cycling?
Jonas' crash was avoidable, he needed to slow down and/or have better positioning for that corner. Why would you go into a fast sweeper on the outside?
Teams and race organizers spend millions in the sport, so there is no reason why they shouldn't invest in proper road maps. With proper I mean a new level of road maps that are present since decades in rallying motorsport, where they drive their cars with maximum speed into blind bends and more. Road maps that inform about obstacles, max. width of roads for riders or speed limits for corners, which of course requires that some riders also need to check the parcours in advance in addition to exact geometrical figures about incline, radius, etc. as the means of communication with the riders within the peloton are altready there.
I strongly disagree with solving this types of situation with hard regulation, bans and similar measures. Here's why: It's a free world - organizer picks a course, good or bad, with his priorites in mind. He protects or does not protect hotspots properly. Riders and their teams scout the damn thing, evaluate what might happen with technology they intend to use on the course and they evaulate stance of attitude they are willing to take if they participate, the risks, the all. And then they decide. If a course is too dangerous, they see organizer is out of whack... situation not fit for their riders, they go to other race. Organizer then has to explain to folks who fund him why no one wants to do bussines here. Safety and greed for competition, result or whatever don't go hand in hand. Disc brakes are not dangerous, as long as they work predictably as designed - and if fitted to the situation and rider that can handle them. Heck you can choose if you want them or not. What I'm saying is, people should choose their own risk level - riders themselves should by vote decide what kind of gear they want on a certain event. They vote - everyone than uses such gear - and there you go. Important is no one else made choice for you. Ban is a childish way of handling things. Responsibility while making wider choices, on some strategic level goes a long way.
I think that curve was a death trap. As far as i can see some orders of magnitude more capable people, some who crashed, saw it in advance... and probably understood they might be pushed into the drink even if they are not at fault. I think asking organizer if he was sane should have been done some months prior to the race, along with obviating the consequences of not doing so. I think that is the way to handle situations. Not some foolish bans. Bans alone do not invoke safety culture and a responsible level headed foresight that bares consequences.
if you are going to have AI speak it out, then why don't you include actual subtitles as well???
It's obviously a human narrator. Intonation, tempo, pitch, timbre, phrasing.
I totally DISAGREE with you, I’m a cyclist and you are WRONG, they are professionals and know those roads very well, and I agree with the organizer the bicycles have two magical levers that are called brakes
What about speed limits in certain areas and penalties if riders would ignore?
We’ll talk about that
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WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH.... 0/10.... so let's have cycling on flat, straight roads with cushioned barriers and restrict speeds to an amble and only on sunny days where the heat won't exceed 22 ° oh and no wind please because that might make them wobble. Cycling is tough for tough sports people, they ALL can see the roads and conditions, the riders make their decisions for the their own ideal outcome. Life is full of risks. Sport is all about chance - that's how we get winners.
accidents in cycling are inevitable. but it pains the fans to see or hear their favs having gone to such as these. from philippines, we hope the cyclists such as jonas, primo, remco,jay, sean,alex,natnael,tom,ben and david are all able to recover swiftly from the injury and trauma. Godspeed.
Yes, they should have put a flag official, yes they must have covered the ditch, yet, the road was wide and dry, and that was a lazy 90 degree turn, not a hairpin. Accidents happen in all races in all countries, in good weather and in bad weather.
Bad route design? Just look at yesterday's loop in Brabantse Pijl, the descent after the finish line had space for only one rider with road furniture left and right.... Or let's talk about descending from Alpe d'Huez via Col de Sarenne in a Tour de France.
It is a fact that better equipment help the procyclists get a higher speed, better braking give them a false sense of safety, top that to the 2 way radios and strategy, and you get them racing for every corner. first to reach the bottom of the hill, first to start descending, etc...
If only blame the route design (which I do not think it is this particular case, it was more a matter of race director adding a marshal and somehow protecting the corner) we will finish with flatter roads on highways... and with accidents as well.
...That or racing in indoor trainers...
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Claro que sí, la única alternativa a carreteras seguras son circuitos de F1 o autopistas jajajaja... Flecha Brabanzona es una clásica de pavés y colinas, Sarenne no se desciende desde 2013... Esto es como si no criticasemos el descenso de Gap con el que Beloki acabó su carrera, coño, si hay un descenso peligroso y te lo dice meses atrás la estrella principal que va a competir, busca otras rutas.
O por lo menos, no le eches la culpa a los ciclistas, que es lo que ha hecho el director de carrera. Un poco de autocrítica no viene mal. Se pide perdón, se hace otro recorrido en otros puertos con mejor asfalto y con menos peligro en los descensos y ya está.
¿@@cyclinghighlights Será solo mi creencia que Ud. tiene una agenda contra el director de Itzulia? Vale aclarar que yo no lo conozco y que me pareció de mal gusto que hayan dejado las cámaras enfocadas en el accidente.
Está absolutamente demostrado que el pelotón va más rápido hoy, en plano, en subida y en bajada.
No es solo Bilbao, son muchos ciclistas que han dicho que el pelotón es mucho más nervioso hoy.
Lo de los ejemplos son 1 reciente y 2 muy conocido... Pero ejemplos hay miles (ve y busca las quejas de Remco para que te des una idea)
Por otro lado, ¿Tiene alguna estadística que diga que Pais Vasco tiene más accidentes que cualquier otra carrera (por etapa, por Km,...)?
¿Cual es la fuente que dice que este descenso en particular había sido señalado como peligroso "meses atrás"?
It's a road that is perfectly ridable. Just use your brain - a feature missing in a lot of young riders today.
Crashing is part of bike racing. ALL descents are dangerous. Unless you want to hold races on trainers then cyclists will always crash.
Cycling today seems more dangerous than motorsports, ski jumping and pretty much any sport I can think of. People should be thinking more about the safety.
That's said, the critic aimed at the organizers is fair.
Skiing is more dangerous. Much in parallel: too many races, technology making corners faster.
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Imagine spending your life making videos about a sport you hate ....
Can’t imagine making videos about gymnastics
you came up with this crap your self or you have it from white house ??????
mate nothing but negative words from your cycling highlights
At least this video was about something other than insinuating that every rider is doping.
What a stupid overblown analysis.
Hahaha your analysis are better dude
Your a bit hypocritical, "we who love cycling" all you ever do is slag cyclists off, no matter what team suggesting they are all pumped high on steroids.
We love cycling it’s obvious
Look our vids of 80s and 90s cycling
Where is the "evidence". BS video that waste's our time with a fraudulent headline.
The evidence that Markus Laerum told to organization 3 months ago.
So, 100% Avoidable.
@@cyclinghighlights Thanks for the info. I gave up after 7 minutes of talking about crashes from years ago.
@@craigbender462 do you mean 20 seconds xDD
Lame
who gives a s***
You are wrong on this one. You never races a bike and it shows
3 elite riders taken out
Only in cycling does this shit happen
Imagine Messi and Ronaldo both injured that bad in a soccer game
Will never happen
It happens in every sport. 🤣
Calm down, snowflakes
Ok, Eraso
@@cyclinghighlights Don't be salty
No dude, I’m dancing Britney Spears songs while I’m reading your great comments.
They said “Don’t you know that you’re toxic?”
@@cyclinghighlights Cry me a river is
Hahaha
Good point about breaking Britney’s hymen
Sorry, I don't agree with most of your videos. TBH, they're not highlights, but rather clickbaity negativity about cycling. CYA
Ok dude
Don’t worry
Wow this channel has gone downhill, just a whine-fest now, it's always either too boring or too dangerous for Cycling Highlights taste; maybe Cycling Highlights should start their own "racing" series in a padded room where you play bingo to see who will be on the podium; nice safe unpredictable podium finishes just how Cycling Highlights likes it. Part of cycling is skill, all the fitness in the world won't get you to the finish if you can't stay on the bike, if you want a non-skill oriented race stick to zwift, these pros are well paid to ride outside in conditions they can use skills they are paid to train and use to negotiate variable conditions. The world isn't padded and equal, quit complaining about reality and live with it!
Lol
Skill in cycling is important of course, but I remember you, this is road cycling, not MTB or cross country races
If same organization is making a lot of mistakes year after year something happens
He's an AI voice ,what do you expect by such low level production value?
Go away! Safety first!
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Yesterday I was Johan Bruyneel, today an AI Robot
Probably tomorrow I’ll be the Pope Francis selling bikes of pro stars!
I have no idea who you are, sir, and I don't know much at all about this particular race, or the organisers, however, there was a barrier there but not in the right place or long enough either. You can see two riders start to lose it if watching closely, one in the front and one much further back in TVL jersey. Sadly, there will always be crashes, remember Beloki and the tar melted road?. Even in club racing riders crash. It's a known hazard.i just hope all of them recover well. Especially Jay and Cas(?) who got overlooked in the commentary.
if crashed not so fameous stars like them, nobady will talking about and that is humiliating and terrible