How many comics, books, novels are canon to The in-universe MCU? I assumed it was just Scott Lang's book, but I didn't realize there was more. Could you please list all you have on your overall MCU timeline? It would be appreciated.
@@Buffy8Fan Yeah, that's the million dollar question. I think Scott's book, the Wakanda book, and the X-Men 97 comics are canon for sure. What gets tricky is the comics from Phase 1 that were said to be canon at the time, but were left out of the timeline book and so it's raised some questions on whether they are still canon or not. I need to see if there has ever been a definitive answer given on that.
@@AbitofEverything4U I forgot about the comics from Phase 1 that's how not canon I consider them, but thanks for the rest. Until your video, I didn't even know about the Wakanda book and X-Men 97 comics. I'm assuming its the prequel four issues (and set between the original animated show and '97)? I don't want to read a non canon comic run by mistake.
Right...it's the 4 issues that were recently released. I think the 4th one came out last month, perhaps. In fact, in the video, I show the covers to the first two, if that helps.
@@AbitofEverything4U I was gonna wait on the four issue collection, not out until November, which is why I was making sure it was the/a prequel series. Thanks.
Great use of the tools for timeline placement! I myself am a timeline scholar for Marvel Comics. One of my hobbies is figuring out timeline placement for comics based on logical deduction, things said in issues, what time of year is events happening in, where are the gaps in a story in which a character could have made his or her crossover appearance in another character's book,etc. And I've been doing this for years. It's harder than you might think because not every writer and artist is aware of what every other writer and artist is doing so sometimes there are contradictions. All of which is to say I got into this hobby after being gateway drugged by trying to figure out the MCU. So I particularly appreciate the work you put into it and the methodology you use!
That’s awesome that you build out the timeline for the comics. I agree, that’s much harder than doing it for the MCU, because there is so many comics being made and so it’s even harder to keep everything in sync. Thanks for all the hard work you do. I’m sure it benefits lots of people!
Great information. It's why whenever I write stories, I try to include little details or clues, because obviously people (like you and me) love to try and figure out when this stuff takes place.
Yeah, that was a really fun list to put together. It was a nice collective effort to stack rank all those items. And just like you, I love to look for those timeline hints when I’m watching a movie or a show!
I have an idea for a potential video that could be interesting. Look at the post-credits scenes in MCU movies that tease future characters/storylines, and then see how long it takes to be resolved.
For example, the first Iron Man movie introduces Nick Fury and teases the Avengers Initiative, which is further addressed in Iron Man 2, and then fully realized in The Avengers.
Believe it or not, I did a vid just like that. Your idea is great and the vid was indeed alot of fun to put together: ua-cam.com/video/et493naPKdQ/v-deo.html
Yeah, same here. I find myself mentally checking for a calendar in the background or a license plate on a car. Thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts on it. Really appreciate it!
Isn't it fun to start looking for that stuff during a movie. I can't help myself...if I see a calendar in the background or a license plate on a car, i'm like "sah-weet...that's gonna help!"
I really love different timelines from different franchises, I mainly like how time travel works in different films, like marvel's time travel makes a branched reality, back to the futures time travel changes history and you could possibly erase yourself, when you use Harry potter's time travel logic, you've already done what you're doing during that time...yeah kinda confusing but I love it!
That’s a great point… Time travel is such a fascinating concept, and I love how we keep seeing different examples of it being used across the various franchises!
Yeah, I had a lot of fun putting this together. I love doing timelines, but there really is a lot to consider. And now you know the things that go through my mind whenever I’m sitting and watching a movie… I’m always looking for a calendar or license plate somewhere in the background… Lol!
Great video, as always! Also, in 22 days it's 20 years since the premiere of "lost" and because you are good with timelines and you are "a bit of everything" I think it will be a good idea to cover that too!!!
Oh my word… That could actually be the death of me. But you are right, with all the flashbacks it would be very interesting to see what it would look like in chronological order!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah, it’s so much fun to try to make timelines with these interconnected movie and TV universes. Thanks so much for your feedback. Really appreciate it!
Great video, you should make one covering the cannon books, comics, novels, marketing campaigns, etc. to the live action marvel multiverse. I’ve been looking to read/watch them but feel like I probably don’t know about some.
I know I’m a bit late on this (catching up on old stuff from just having a lack of free time) but this is SOOO cool. So glad that you teach us something about how you get the details you do. A few questions or missed points that I think may be worth discussing: 1. What about missed content, how do you handle that? What I mean by that is things that were left out. For example is a funny thing that happened on the way to Thors hammer not canon because it’s not in the timeline book? What about things that are considered canon lower down but aren’t contradicted up higher just missing? A good one being agents of shield isn’t on the Disney plus timeline but it has canon comic books and is in the Wakanda files (among more in universe connections). 2. I’m surprised you didn’t give any precedence to WHO is saying what and just lumped crew statements together. For example I’d put someone like Feige above everyone else, or put James Gunn above someone like Anthony mackie. This can be especially helpful when determining statements that contradict one another. Overall very solid video I’d love to see (possibly a members video) for how you go about doing this specifically. For example with something like the Deadpool and Wolverine trailers did you go frame by frame and take notes? Is there any difference with doing something longer like a tv show or movie? Do you often consult Google or the MCU Wiki? How do you find all these articles and interviews? I know I’d find it very interesting to see your process and how you find all this stuff because especially the interviews I have no idea how to even know when those come out
Glad you enjoyed that vid. It was something I'd been thinking about doing for awhile. I love your idea of a members only vid that goes behind the scenes on how I tracked down the info for a specific movie's timeline placement. On the questions you asked: 1. I'm not sure why they left out the Coulson one-shot, other than it was an oversight. But since we don't have the main source (the timeline book), then the D+ timeline has to suffice, as well as the timeline indicators in the one-shot itself and how it connects to IM 2. And that is a strange situation that the Wakanda Files is considered canon and yet it includes Agents of SHIELD that isn't canon. Sigh. 2. Yeah, on the crew statements, it's so hard to rank them (other than putting Feige at the top) because sometimes a writer/director/producer is spot on (James Gunn is normally money in the bank) and sometimes they are just shooting from the hip (Gunn and Taika both gave terrible quotes on how long Thor was with the Guardians). So it's almost a case by case basis. Does it seem the person knows what they're talking about or are they just making stuff up. It's part of why it's so annoying when they give info that turns out to be totally wrong. You're like "how did you not come prepared to that interview!" Ugh!!!
@@AbitofEverything4Ugreat response. Thanks for the thoughts. Personally I’m of the mind that these are so well integrated into the mcu and canon projects (in fact you made a whole video on connections between all the shows, movies and now with the Netflix shows canon there’s even more connections) that they just have to be canon for the stories to work. Just because they don’t say it is, doesn’t mean it definitely isn’t. As for interviews and statements yea I think it’s case by case which is unfortunate. I’d love for someone to just always be right (Feige is definitely up there and I personally haven’t found anything he’s said to be wrong but who knows) but Gunn is either spot on with details like rockets background or way off like statements on Thors timeline or I am groots canonicity.
Love your Timeline videos! I have a video idea for you that i think would be an interesting topic, and that relates to the Stan Lee cameos. Basically, Kevin Fegie confirmed that, at least in the MCU, that the Stan Lee cameos are actually all one character called the Watcher Informant, and that explains how he can be present in different time periods. I think there also might be a theory floating around that this applies to movies set in others universes, like X-Men 2000 and Hulk 2003. Maybe for the video you and the Discord guys could find evidence that hints to Stan Lee jumping in between universes? Would love to see that!
That’s a really cool idea… Now that several of these movies are established to be part of the Multiverse, it could very well be that Stan Lee jumped around between the different universes!
Interesting video concept to be sure. Whoa had no idea 97 had tie-in material that is very cool. Surprised at how many 'categories' you had in this video.
Hello, a bit of everything! I unfortunately don't have much to say on this topic but here is 3 questions I have for you. 1. What do you use to make the timeline images in the google drive in the description? 2. Will you do something special for 20k subs? You're pretty close 3. Can you make a timeline video on the Marvel Animated Features? They were 8 direct to video movies from 2006-2011.
Great questions! 1. What do you use to make the timeline images in the google drive in the description? I use Powerpoint, as it lets me create nice visuals, but is also very easy to use 2. Will you do something special for 20k subs? You're pretty close Hard to believe it's getting that close. I definitely need to come up with something special for that milestone! 3. Can you make a timeline video on the Marvel Animated Features? They were 8 direct to video movies from 2006-2011. I'm open to doing just about anything. Remind me what those are and if they are on D+ then I could give it a shot!
I did notice the other day that The Wolverine date silently moved in the timeline doc and planned on asking you about it, only for the video to answer it foe me😂
Niiiiice! Yep, we decided to call the snow an official timeline indicator and so it moved slightly. Really wish they'd have shown us something to indicate the year, however. Such a bummer!
This is a great list and ranking! I agree with it for the most part, or at least in the case of the MCU, I completely agree with it. But since you're suggesting that this ranking might be applied to other franchises in general, I'd say that some of it is conditional, particularly the first two. I'd say the only reason I accept the MCU Timeline book and the Disney+ timeline as reliable are because trustworthy sources at Marvel have said that they're reliable. If not for that, I would rank these two indicators much lower on the list, like around #12 or 13, because they'd basically be in the same category as potentially canon marketing material. The other thing I want to point out is that "crew statements" should have some additional rules to determine reliability. Basically, WHAT crew is making particular statements. Obviously a director or writer is much more reliable than a camera operator. And of course, a director or writer would be more reliable regarding their own movie than someone else's movie in the same franchise, as you pointed out with James Gunn vs. Taika Waititi. Speaking of which, I remember you once tried to look at Groot's visible age in Love and Thunder to try to place that, though it turned out to not make sense, because he appeared the same age that he did in Infinity War and Endgame. And I'm not even sure what type of indicator this would be, because Groot is a CGI character that has a totally unfamiliar aging process. And the truth is, and this would be another example of Waititi and Gunn not being on the same page, Waititi and the effects team just didn't know that Groot should look older than the last time we saw him, as we would soon see him look much different in the Guardians Holiday Special. But to follow consistent timeline rules outlined in this video, you'd have to just look at intent, much like visible weather that's not tied to the plot. Groot's age has no bearing on the plot of L&T, so they just made him look like the Groot that they knew. Another rule that should probably be part of this should be that if one timeline indicator gets contradicted by another of the SAME type of indicator, then the newer one overrides the first. For example, let's say a clearly visible calendar says it's 2008, then in a later movie a character references that event and says it was five years ago, but another clearly visible calendar in that same movie shows 2014, then the newer information would override what was seen in the earlier movie, and place that in 2009 instead of 2008. However, if the newer information is ranked lower, like if the more recent prop is just barely visible, then we should assume the less visible one is wrong and wasn't meant to be seen. (Or in an actual example of trying to place Iron Man, more recent and consistent character dialog has placed in it 2008, overriding the official marketing material that had placed it in 2009 or 2010 or whatever it was.) And my last comment, with regard to "on-screen text", a specific date or year should be ranked higher than text indicating a relative passage of time. And text indicating time passed since a date established in the SAME movie is much more reliable than time passed since an event established outside of that movie.
Wow...that's some fantastic feedback. I agree, the timeline book placement is based on the reliability of the franchise, but I would suspect that any franchise that puts out a timeline book would likely mean for it to be considered canon. However, your point is still valid that not all timeline books are created equal. Crew statements was probably not the best term, as you are right, I'm not meaning a camera person, per se, but the writers, directors, producers, etc. My bad for using that vague term. Excellent point about things like Groot's age and why that isn't as important of a timeline qualifier as many people treated it. I totally agree on the contradictory dates and in fact, I showed that happening in a few cases. Homecoming had the homecoming dance with two different dates, the Blade show had the health monitor with two differing dates and the Man Of Steel had Lois' camera with two different dates. Can't believe that type of things happens, tbh. Seems they should catch that when editing. And that's a good point about on-screen text vs. a solid date. A solid date is better than an on screen text of "5 years later". Fantastic feedback. Loved it!
Yeah… I suspect Number 21 is indeed about the only thing you can use for the Lego marvel timeline. But it still lets you know the overall timeline order, so ig it’s better than nothing!
@@AbitofEverything4U I mean we also figured out that the first game is in summer through the green trees and character dialogue and the second game is definetly in winter cause of all the snow. Also some of the shorts actually take place in a different order than they released.
I love being a timeline sluth epesially when we pinpointed Elektra in Dec 05 or me going through Spectacular Spider-Man which had a lot of timeframe clues (no year though) really cool gathering the info.
I never understood why some people didn’t accept the timeline shown on Disney+. Shouldn’t the source coming from the producer of all these movies/shows be the most reputable..?
I agree… It was always strange to me that people fought against the Disney+ timeline for several years. It seems like people have come to accept it now that the timeline book has validated the Disney+ timeline as being accurate. But it really was a strange phenomenon that people attacked it for several years.
To be fair the main complaints were from the placement of things like Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Shang Chi (the latter of which was fixed) which were strange at the time
@@mds_main Yeah, Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 were definitely points of confusion. I assumed Iron Man 3 came first, but honestly, the more I thought about it, I like it after Thor 2. I did this short vid on why I like it better, in case you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/rfkmc6MfY6M/v-deo.html.
I wish they fixed these little timeline things (especially the 8 years later) and rerelease this versions on Disney plus, like they did with Star Wars several times
It doesn't apply as much to the MCU, but also historical events. For example, the Cuban Missile Crisis in X-Men: First Class, helping to narrow down the exact time it took place.
That’s a good point! Yes, I suspect historical events might end up falling into the general category with cultural events, since both seem to indicate something irl is also happening in the timeline. Excellent addition to the list!
Could you make a video all about the Wakanda files and where it happens? Because since I don’t have a copy of it, I’ve had to put it in between endgame and Wandavision on my timeline, which is really poor timing with Wandavision happening three weeks after endgame. If you could bring this up, I would greatly appreciate it.
Actor ages could explain the "ten-year-old" line. Cassie may have still been nine but Abby Ryder Forston would have just turned ten when AMW came out. Paul Rudd may have accidentally given Abby's age instead of Cassie's, and the mistake was left in. As for Secret Invasion, it could have just been a warm November day. In New York City, the mean maximum temperature in November is 70F! Which means maybe only one day gets THAT hot but there could be many relatively warm days. I live in Baltimore and I distinctly remember a single day one February that it got to the seventies. FEBRUARY. Finally, I'm sure you're aware but wikis are fluid by nature. We know entries have been moved around on the Disney+ timeline; the Marvel Wiki mods could always change their minds about when something was placed. There's not much stopping a future entry from retconning something in the official timeline book either* but as that's set in stone, it's harder to intentionally change. *That being said, with many projects being developed at once there's been a lot of right-hand-vs-left-hand lately. A contradiction could arise from one project referencing an early draft of another project that ended up being changed. This means things can get muddy between projects that come out right after one another while still keeping things consistent for more than a year prior.
Excellent feedback! Yes, your explanation may very well explain the 10-year-old line in Ant-man and the wasp. And I did not realize that New York can hit a temperature of 70 in November. That’s wild. I think the bigger issue is that the trees were still green, meaning that fall had not hit yet even though it was November. So, it could very well have been that it was not an intentional timeline indicator for the trees to have been green, but that it was just the point in time when they filmed the movie and the trees happened to be green at that point. I totally agree with your point that the timeline has to be fluid and things move around and get retconned. So one of the things I probably should’ve mentioned in the video is that a true timeline detective needs to be open to change and willing to update their own personal timelines based on how things move forward. Once again, excellent feedback. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts!
What about general public Technology? Not like Sci-Fi high tech stuff, but if there are scenes out in a city, it could be used if there's scenes with certain car models etc...
Great addition to the list. That would probably fit in the category of pop culture references, as it is a hint towards something that can be tied back to a specific timeframe irl. Excellent feedback!
I’m gonna give some examples of my favourite franchises giving us dates for when they take place Resident Evil They almost always just tell us exactly when the games and movies happen then you have Grand Theft Auto where sometimes they just say the year the games happens in other times (the more recent games) you have to go on in game websites to find the dates and then theirs surprisingly Crash Bandicoot where they only say it’s been this many years since the last game and it’s been like that until Crash 4 where you can play flashback tapes that lead to the events of the first game happening and sure enough it confirms the year as well as the month and day the first game happens in and then lastly you have Five Nights at Freddy’s infamous timeline where we’re told the days and month the first game happens in but not the year the second game tells you the year then the third one just says oh idk 30 years after the first one (it was literally debated for awhile when the 5th game happens) I’m glad the movie just tells you the month and year it happens in and yeah that’s pretty much it I’m not going into the way Mortal Kombat does it’s timeline that series timeline gives the Fox X-Men films a run for their money.
Those are some great examples of how different franchises handle their timelines. Yeah the FNAF timeline is legendary in how it has divided fans. It would be great if we always got more detailed information, but I guess part of the fun is trying to figure it all out!
Yeah, me too! I mean, I still use them when I can't find anything else to go on, but it does seem they are quite often based upon when the movie was filmed as much as when the movie is placed in the timeline. We need a new law from Congress that all trees must be appropriately represented in movies based on the correct timeline placement, dern it!
ikr? That was such an interesting revelation in that Podcast. As for how long they were together, the movie says "It took ages" to build the new core and "I spent years running from him, hiding from him". So my guess is they spent a few years building the core and then in perhaps 2012 she sabotaged it and ran from him until she escaped in 2018. That's just a guess, but it seems to fit with the timeline clues she gave us. If only Peyton told us how long it took to build the core. Then we'd be set!
I pretty much agree with this, but I think in-universe information always has to be held as the highest tier of canon unless it is clearly incorrect like Homecoming's 8 years later or is intentionally retconned by newer material. Otherwise there's no reason to even investigate the timeline for ourselves as none of our investigations mean anything until an official source confirms it one way or the other. There's also the possibility of intentions not being communicated correctly by out-of-universe sources, and just that out-of-universe sources are far more fallible than in-universe sources. So I would rearrange the priority of some of these but otherwise I agree.
The reason some in-universe items are lower on the list is they are less reliable in general. Things like the clothes people are wearing (shorts vs. heavy coats) or the trees being green or brown or a very small date on a computer screen is that these things are often just due to when the movie was filmed and not meant to be timeline indicators. So that's why they rank lower. As for why we should try to figure out the timeline? That's ofc totally up to each person depending on whether they enjoy the hunt for clues. Keep in mind that for years we didn't have a timeline book and so this type of analysis was necessary. Also, for many of the older Marvel movies we don't have an official timeline. Plus, when new MCU movies and shows air, we don't know Marvel's official position yet. So in all these cases, it's fun to be a timeline detective!
It's a little sad that the only DC content that received attention from this channel was the abysmal DCEU, when there were other DC interpretations and sagas with better representation of many of these characters who were not given enough time in the DCEU. like the dark knight trilogy or the batman anthology of the 80s-90s, or the superman anthology by richard donner, or the arrowverse for examples
Good point! So I haven't gone back to discuss the earlier DC moves (i.e. Batman or Superman), but perhaps I should. And Arrowverse was so far along when I started the channel that I didn't think I should jump in so late. But I'll definitely cover the DCU when it starts up soon!
@@AbitofEverything4U please at least do one of TDK Trilogy Your research is quite comprehensive and I would like to see your interpretation of the chronological placement of those films and not just their mainstream universes like the DCEU and then the DCU.
@@Mr_Wayne2012Well in terms of the Arrowverse theres not really much he can cover when it comes to that universe, as it basically ended over a year ago with Flash season 9 in early 2023, also he mainly only covers current ongoing franchises like the MCU, Star Wars and the upcoming DCU so there really isn't any point in talking about past franchises like the TDK trilogy, DCEU etc other than nostalgia.
@@iraford5788 Good summary. Yeah, I try to stick to newer movies and shows for the most part. I've been looking at some of the older Marvel movies, but that's because the characters may appear in Secret Wars. Other than that, it's mostly newer stuff.
Oh my… I apologize if it came off in the video like I was saying these are my ideas. I actually give full credit to the wiki for coming up with that incredible list. I learned a lot of these skills from looking at how the wiki built out the MCU timeline before the timeline book arrived. It’s a truly amazing wiki!
@@AbitofEverything4U oh, I was jokingly quoting a funny line from Loki episode 1 when Loki is in court for his crimes in front of Renslayer for the first time... It was just a dumb attempt at a silly joke, not a diss towards your awesome work! Loki: "Well, perhaps I should speak to these Time-Keepers, gods to gods." Renslayer: "I’m sorry, but they’re quite busy." "Oh, they are? What are they doing?" "Dictating the proper flow of time." "I see. Right. And then what do you do?" "Dictate the proper flow of time according to their dictations."
At 12:16 you point out that the roman numerals are wrong - as they most likely are in this case (haven't watched Morbius) - because there cannot be 4 X's behind each other. But that is untrue! I have learned that - at least in Medieval and Early Modern Times - people did sometimes write 4 X's, but definitely 4 I's after each other. I can't speak for everywhere, but that happened in the Belgian area at least. This year, I have come across many numbers like that in some fiscal documents during my history studies. It's not very likely, however, that this niche historical reference would be added into movies, but it's a small thing I wanted to share 😊
ikr? That was the moment that broke Feige and resulted in hiring a timeline keeper. So ig in a way we should celebrate it, as Marvel really got serious in timeline management after that point!
The issue with Star Wars in Timeline Order on Disney+ is that there are missing entries. For starters, Young Jedi Adventures and its Shorts are not before The Acolyte because they are not even present. This is understandable because it is a preschooler show, and it's going to get complicated with the Shorts and the Series proper being interlinked chronologically, but still, if we're being completists, why is I Am Groot included with Marvel when most probably don't care and it likely won't affect anything in the long run, but Young Jedi is excluded in Star Wars? There are other more important entries missing though. The Clone Wars movie is essential to The Clone Wars show, and it's still under Series and Specials (It's not even listed as a movie when it was theatrically released!), not even in the Timeline. The Tales of the Jedi and Tales of the Empire shows are also missing. This makes sense because they are anthologies that jump around the timeline, but they do actually have placements in another list on the Star Wars website with Tales of the Jedi being placed after Clone Wars, and Tales of the Empire being placed after Revenge of the Sith, and they include asterisks that say they jump around the timeline. And then there are the Rebels Shorts, and Forces of Destiny Shorts as well, both not essential viewing, skewing a bit younger, but still not on the timeline, not to mention Forces of Destiny is another anthology series that jumps all over the timeline. Forces of Destiny is also absent from the Star Wars Website list, but if I were to place it anywhere, I'd put it after The Last Jedi because it has episodes that take place during that movie. We also run into a bit of an issue with Andor being placed after Rebels, which is not entirely wrong, I think they're doing this to have it lead directly into Rogue One with Season Two, I'll being doing the same, but it does take place concurrently with Rebels, and the Star Wars website has it placed before Rebels in the Chronological Order. So Andor Season 1 takes place before Rebels, but then with Season 2, every three episodes are said to jump a year, so the placement of stories is going to get very complicated. Similarly with Resistance to the Netflix shows of Marvel, its 2 Seasons are actually broken up by movies with Season 1 taking place before The Force Awakens and it's final episodes actually taking place concurrently to the events of the movie, and then Season 2 takes place just after The Last Jedi if the first episode is not also happening concurrently with it. You also have Mando Season 3 taking place between Book of Boba Fett and Ahsoka. If Disney every gets around to it, splitting up the shows by Seasons when necessary would be helpful. The Star Wars Timeline on Disney+ needs some work.
Yeah, I think it's tough with alot of those Star Wars shows, as they jump all over the timeline with each episode. Tales of the Jedi and Empire should really be split by episode, for instance. Forces of Destiny is even crazier in that respect. So I don't know what they could do for Star Wars shows that jump all over. I do agree that the Clone Wars movie is big miss, though. Not sure why they don't have that. So I do think that what is actually in the timeline is the canon order, but I agree, lots is missing from the timeline for Star Wars. Hope they find a way to fix it at some point!
Yeah, I need to see if there's somewhere that Marvel has confirmed which ones are still considered canon. I know the X-Men 97 ones are canon, but I'm not sure if the original ones like Fury's big week are still considered canon. Marvel has been very wishy-washy on those, even though they fit very nicely into canon.
It’s hard to decide what to do since they aren’t mentioned in the timeline book. I mean there’s nothing about them that seems to make them non-canon, but nonetheless they weren’t mentioned and so I am guessing that Marvel does not consider them canon.
Great point! Yeah, that's a good example of how we can't fully trust a marketing campaign. The 2010 year was valid, but not the May 7th date. And in fact, even in the movie we have a date of May 6th given as the day after the race.
Yeah, it’s clear they got May 5th from the movie showing May 6th and being the day after. I personally have the Expo beginning in Late April, Monaco’s May 5th, Tony’s at home on the 6th, the timeline book shows these happen before Ross goes after Bruce in Brazil, so you have to account for that movie’s time jump. Which is why I have Fury’s Big Week from May 23rd-29th (using the days of the week from What-If, I know this may be controversial but I don’t see why the events that altered the timeline would affect when FBW is happening). Also on the topic of deleted scenes, there’s one where Olivia Munn’s reporter character mentions Hammer is giving his presentation 3 weeks into the Expo, which would fit.
Nice! Yeah, the location of FBW is tough to pin down. Theoretically, Tony's birthday is 5/29, based on that prop. If so, then the first day of FBW is May 29. But that doesn't work very well, since 5/29/2010 is a Saturday. So perhaps they were celebrating his birthday early. In that case, your timeline with the week starting on the 23rd works great!
That’s honestly what I go with. A lot of times, birthday party’s don’t happen on the actual day and with Tony’s diagnosis he celebrated early. I did use to go with the 29th, but What-If and the timeline book changed that.
Does the timeline of Sam having found the Avengers for the dinner cruise ship play-a-long count. Kamala and Carol both living together and Wasp and Antman together. Did ultron make an appearance already before his tv debut? Or why our movie is set on the 2025 inaugural compile to your viewpoint
Good questions! So Marvel has created an "amusement park" universe, for lack of a better term and all of the rides (as well as the cruise ship) are a connected universe. If you haven't seen my video on it yet, you might check this out as it shows the different connections between the rides and the cruise ship experience: ua-cam.com/video/5qSVIL_Kbeg/v-deo.html
I just noticed something. The Newsfront Twitter account seen in this video (no I will never say X) has a gold checkmark on it, something that didn’t exist prior to 2022, which is odd since the account has not been active for a very long time. I don’t think it was around for long though, as I couldn’t see it when I last checked. What do you think?
I’m with you… I’m gonna call it Twitter until I die. As for the gold checkmark, that is a really good question. I only know that when that screen capture was taken, that’s how it looked. But I’m not sure when the screen capture was taken. I can’t remember if I did it or if I pulled it off the wiki. If I find out though, I’ll let you know!
me thing is use disney+ timeline for 616/sacred timeline with 2 caverts 1-since first avenger begins and ends in present day i watch it after thor and 2-because of post credit scene i would watch black widow before hawkeye plus it really more about yelena than natasha anyway.
with X-Men this is how i would approach it.X-Men and x2 in 2004 and last stand in 2006.main event os the wolverine in 2011 and mid credit scene in 2013.and watch deadpool 2 after logan.deadpool & Wolverine when it hits blu-ray and straming will work well as direct followup to deadpool 2.
so after resigning for disneyhulu bundle about to start marathon of mcu multiverse.my approach will be to go with straight mcu till loki season 1.then do what if season 1 and then go between various universes on those i own on blu-ray,dvd or on disney+ or hulu.the ones that are canon to multiverse via deadpool & wolverine or spider-man no way home.only punisher film i have is extended cut of 2004 film and rest aren't on streaming i have.i would include ghost rider since almost in d & w and i feel will be in secret wars but hard to find on streaming and i didn't purchase it. i think best to treat agent carter tv show and agents of shield as branch off of mcu since neither part of official timeline.
Those are some very good points. I think the Disney+ timeline is helpful to know what the official order of the movies and shows in the timeline is, but it isn’t necessarily the right order to do afull rewatch. You raise some good points about CA: the first avenger and Black widow, for example. Sounds like you’re gonna have a lot of fun with your rewatch of the MCU. Thanks so much for sharing your feedback on the video. Really appreciate it!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks. for myself i would watch punisher war zone,asm 1 and 2 and ff2015 in between dp and deadpool.and watch venom after new mutants but before resuming with mcu present with wandaviision.and watch logan after the marvels and then loki season 2,what if s2 and then dead 2/and wolverine. since x-men'97 on disney+ is claled part of mcu multiverse i would put it,original X_Men 90's show and spider-man 90's show as universe and watch them before blade.
I suspect any show could be used as a timeline reference… Especially when we can’t find anything else. In general, I think using things like TV shows should be pretty low on the list, but sometimes they are our only option.
But if a movie was based on a novel, like the Harry Potter series, we should take when the book takes place, too right? What level of priority should the source material's date take in this video?
Good question...if the movie was trying to be a 100% faithful adaptation, then I think the book would hold alot of weight. But so often the movies are a loose adaptation, with alot changed for the big screen. In that case, the book wouldn't hold too much weight, it seems.
@@AbitofEverything4U But if the movie was mostly faithful, you'd use the book's dates before the movie release date, right? Some movies and books would take place over multiple days. Each title in the Harry Potter series take place in the span of an entire school year. And considering the length of the books compared to the movies, when we're not on Harry's birthday, first day of school, Halloween, Christmas or the last day, it would be good to use the timeline of the book to figure out which day it happened in the movie, right? Well, unless we're dealing with Sirius Black giving Harry the Firebolt broomstick which happened at the end of the movie instead of Christmas.
I agree...in the case of something like Harry Potter, those are very helpful in determining the dates. But I still wonder if a book release date should always trump a movie release date, due to some books not turning into movies for several years. It's a great question to ponder and probably should be handled on a case by case basis, tbh!
@@AbitofEverything4U Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was published in the UK in 1997 but is set in the 1991-1992 school year, so you can't use release dates for the Harry Potter books because they've been years behind. As for the movies that didn't really show the dates (as far as I noticed), you definitely can't use the release dates because they skipped over 2003, 2006 and 2008 and they always take place the school year after the previous film, and the seventh and eighth films were set the same year. As for movies based on books that never used dates, maybe you should go with the book's original publication because classic stories written in Victorian times tend to keep the Victorian aesthetics in the movies. If the movie is modernized with contemporary references that pulls it far away from the time of the original book, then use the movie's release date. But if it looks more like the world of the original book, use the book's publication. If it's an anachronism stew of different time periods, then it would be much harder to tell the time. And if the book show evidence of dates, use those dates we're told and not the release dates. And of course, if the movie shows dates different from the book, use the film's dates.
@@AbitofEverything4Uit wlll be interesting because we see the spark in deadpool it will be funny is it like Thor Ragnrock when Loki was falling for 30 minutes
I definitely agree with you that when they released the OG trilogy, it was absolutely meant to be in the 2000s. What I struggle with is whether or not they intentionally or unintentionally retconned it into the 90s. In addition to X-Men origins Wolverine being placed in 1979, it almost seems like days of future past might have helped retcon the OG trilogy into the 90s, due to how it handled the new timeline going forward. If you haven’t seen this short video, you might check it out. It’s really interesting: ua-cam.com/video/_n4jsKkLAgc/v-deo.htmlsi=BATktpOoO6ZK3qTh
Great question...it's all of the tips and tricks to trying to determine your very question...."what's with this timeline". In the video, you'll get all kinds of ideas for how to figure that out for yourself!
Which is exactly why you are an effective timeline detective! Yeah, I just think it’s fun to look at all these different factors to see how they all fit together in the pursuit of a timeline placement!
@@AbitofEverything4U it's just a bit of fun as well just trying to see how things fit together in the bigger picture. Although the X-Men timeline does give me a headache especially X-Men origins
Yeah, but I don't remember the name of the song it is. 21 years later, here we are in the year 2024. I like DP&W and the song of "bye bye bye" deadpool fights all the TVA, but the part is funny, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I can't stop laughing, but It's way too painful all of it.
Ooops...sorry about that. However, I truly think that was the moment that broke Feige and resulted in hiring a timeline keeper. So ig in a way we should celebrate it, as Marvel really got serious in timeline management after that point!
I thought the scene actually exists in wakanda forever it’s been a long time since I wakanda forever I did tell you I was re watch it soon because I was getting Thunderbolts vibes
Yeah, it is interesting how it’s kind of freeing for a movie to not have to place itself in the timeline. The entire focus is therefore just on the movie and not how it fits into the greater narrative. I do think in general that movies that are part of a universe should give you a sense of place and time, but it is refreshing to occasionally have a movie that bucks the trend like that.
The Rhino was definitely very, very painful. And the world-building was waaaaaay to heavy-handed. But I thought the parts with Peter and Gwen were great and also had a huge payoff during NWH!
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How many comics, books, novels are canon to The in-universe MCU? I assumed it was just Scott Lang's book, but I didn't realize there was more. Could you please list all you have on your overall MCU timeline? It would be appreciated.
@@Buffy8Fan Yeah, that's the million dollar question. I think Scott's book, the Wakanda book, and the X-Men 97 comics are canon for sure. What gets tricky is the comics from Phase 1 that were said to be canon at the time, but were left out of the timeline book and so it's raised some questions on whether they are still canon or not. I need to see if there has ever been a definitive answer given on that.
@@AbitofEverything4U I forgot about the comics from Phase 1 that's how not canon I consider them, but thanks for the rest. Until your video, I didn't even know about the Wakanda book and X-Men 97 comics. I'm assuming its the prequel four issues (and set between the original animated show and '97)? I don't want to read a non canon comic run by mistake.
Right...it's the 4 issues that were recently released. I think the 4th one came out last month, perhaps. In fact, in the video, I show the covers to the first two, if that helps.
@@AbitofEverything4U I was gonna wait on the four issue collection, not out until November, which is why I was making sure it was the/a prequel series. Thanks.
My dude said timeline fans this is shocking as much as when Sony said 8 years later.
lol! Yeah, I had to record that a few times as I kept messing it up. lol!
i find timeline building incredibly fun. it's like getting a free puzzle with every piece of media.
That's a great way to view it...yeah, I think it's so much fun to try to piece it all together!
Does this mean I’m a certified mcu AND timeline fan ?!
Indeed! Double honors!! 🎉🔥
Love your timeline breakdown
Thanks! Really appreciate the positive feedback!
This guy is the timeline version of GeoGuessr Rainbolt
Epic reference...nicely done!
Great use of the tools for timeline placement! I myself am a timeline scholar for Marvel Comics. One of my hobbies is figuring out timeline placement for comics based on logical deduction, things said in issues, what time of year is events happening in, where are the gaps in a story in which a character could have made his or her crossover appearance in another character's book,etc. And I've been doing this for years. It's harder than you might think because not every writer and artist is aware of what every other writer and artist is doing so sometimes there are contradictions. All of which is to say I got into this hobby after being gateway drugged by trying to figure out the MCU. So I particularly appreciate the work you put into it and the methodology you use!
That’s awesome that you build out the timeline for the comics. I agree, that’s much harder than doing it for the MCU, because there is so many comics being made and so it’s even harder to keep everything in sync. Thanks for all the hard work you do. I’m sure it benefits lots of people!
Instructions unclear. I have now accidentally written out my own future 10 years ahead
lol...hopefully your mapped out future looks bright and cheery!
@@AbitofEverything4U you're still uploading so everything seems good
Nice!
32:48 “You just have to be careful with trees” was so funny to me for some reason
lol! Well, it is true… You gotta be careful with those darn trees!
You working working Everything! No other channel like yours we appreciate this stuff!
Thank you….That’s very nice of you to say. I definitely love making these videos, and I truly appreciate your support!
Great information. It's why whenever I write stories, I try to include little details or clues, because obviously people (like you and me) love to try and figure out when this stuff takes place.
Exactly...it's so much fun to try to dig for those clues!
I love this comprehensive list that you and the others put together. I’m going to start using it on as much relevant media as possible.
Yeah, that was a really fun list to put together. It was a nice collective effort to stack rank all those items. And just like you, I love to look for those timeline hints when I’m watching a movie or a show!
I have an idea for a potential video that could be interesting. Look at the post-credits scenes in MCU movies that tease future characters/storylines, and then see how long it takes to be resolved.
For example, the first Iron Man movie introduces Nick Fury and teases the Avengers Initiative, which is further addressed in Iron Man 2, and then fully realized in The Avengers.
Believe it or not, I did a vid just like that. Your idea is great and the vid was indeed alot of fun to put together: ua-cam.com/video/et493naPKdQ/v-deo.html
I love entering into deep dives of lore and timelines especially in a shared universe so this video was very interesting
Yeah, same here. I find myself mentally checking for a calendar in the background or a license plate on a car. Thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts on it. Really appreciate it!
Such a great vid, ever since I started watching you I’ve been noticing this stuff more and more, keep up the good work
Isn't it fun to start looking for that stuff during a movie. I can't help myself...if I see a calendar in the background or a license plate on a car, i'm like "sah-weet...that's gonna help!"
This was one of the more unique timeline breakdown videos.
Yeah, I had a lot of fun putting that one together. It was indeed very unique!
i forgot this was a marvel video so i expected this to be about real life
Too funny! Yeah, there are many times where I feel like I’m living in an MCU movie because I do so many videos on it!
I really love different timelines from different franchises, I mainly like how time travel works in different films, like marvel's time travel makes a branched reality, back to the futures time travel changes history and you could possibly erase yourself, when you use Harry potter's time travel logic, you've already done what you're doing during that time...yeah kinda confusing but I love it!
That’s a great point… Time travel is such a fascinating concept, and I love how we keep seeing different examples of it being used across the various franchises!
OMG I loveeeee this video, timelines are so fun to do, but also they're a headache, this is such a good guide. 😮Thank you so much for this video ❤
Yeah, I had a lot of fun putting this together. I love doing timelines, but there really is a lot to consider. And now you know the things that go through my mind whenever I’m sitting and watching a movie… I’m always looking for a calendar or license plate somewhere in the background… Lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U I agree 😂 Now when I watch movies I want to see everything in the background to know more about where it is located 😂❤
That’s awesome! I’m glad to hear you do the same thing I do. 😀
Great video, as always!
Also, in 22 days it's 20 years since the premiere of "lost" and because you are good with timelines and you are "a bit of everything" I think it will be a good idea to cover that too!!!
Oh my word… That could actually be the death of me. But you are right, with all the flashbacks it would be very interesting to see what it would look like in chronological order!
I really liked this video! I also like making timelines and it has been very enriching.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah, it’s so much fun to try to make timelines with these interconnected movie and TV universes. Thanks so much for your feedback. Really appreciate it!
I love your work bro
That’s very nice of you to say… Thank you so much!
Great video, you should make one covering the cannon books, comics, novels, marketing campaigns, etc. to the live action marvel multiverse. I’ve been looking to read/watch them but feel like I probably don’t know about some.
Great suggestion...yeah, I need to do a deep dive on the canon books, comics, novels, marketing campaigns, etc. Would be a cool vid!
Awesome Video man! You cooked with this one
Thanks so much! Really appreciate the positive feedback!
I know I’m a bit late on this (catching up on old stuff from just having a lack of free time) but this is SOOO cool. So glad that you teach us something about how you get the details you do.
A few questions or missed points that I think may be worth discussing:
1. What about missed content, how do you handle that? What I mean by that is things that were left out. For example is a funny thing that happened on the way to Thors hammer not canon because it’s not in the timeline book? What about things that are considered canon lower down but aren’t contradicted up higher just missing? A good one being agents of shield isn’t on the Disney plus timeline but it has canon comic books and is in the Wakanda files (among more in universe connections).
2. I’m surprised you didn’t give any precedence to WHO is saying what and just lumped crew statements together. For example I’d put someone like Feige above everyone else, or put James Gunn above someone like Anthony mackie. This can be especially helpful when determining statements that contradict one another.
Overall very solid video I’d love to see (possibly a members video) for how you go about doing this specifically. For example with something like the Deadpool and Wolverine trailers did you go frame by frame and take notes? Is there any difference with doing something longer like a tv show or movie? Do you often consult Google or the MCU Wiki? How do you find all these articles and interviews? I know I’d find it very interesting to see your process and how you find all this stuff because especially the interviews I have no idea how to even know when those come out
Glad you enjoyed that vid. It was something I'd been thinking about doing for awhile. I love your idea of a members only vid that goes behind the scenes on how I tracked down the info for a specific movie's timeline placement.
On the questions you asked:
1. I'm not sure why they left out the Coulson one-shot, other than it was an oversight. But since we don't have the main source (the timeline book), then the D+ timeline has to suffice, as well as the timeline indicators in the one-shot itself and how it connects to IM 2. And that is a strange situation that the Wakanda Files is considered canon and yet it includes Agents of SHIELD that isn't canon. Sigh.
2. Yeah, on the crew statements, it's so hard to rank them (other than putting Feige at the top) because sometimes a writer/director/producer is spot on (James Gunn is normally money in the bank) and sometimes they are just shooting from the hip (Gunn and Taika both gave terrible quotes on how long Thor was with the Guardians). So it's almost a case by case basis. Does it seem the person knows what they're talking about or are they just making stuff up. It's part of why it's so annoying when they give info that turns out to be totally wrong. You're like "how did you not come prepared to that interview!" Ugh!!!
@@AbitofEverything4Ugreat response. Thanks for the thoughts.
Personally I’m of the mind that these are so well integrated into the mcu and canon projects (in fact you made a whole video on connections between all the shows, movies and now with the Netflix shows canon there’s even more connections) that they just have to be canon for the stories to work. Just because they don’t say it is, doesn’t mean it definitely isn’t.
As for interviews and statements yea I think it’s case by case which is unfortunate. I’d love for someone to just always be right (Feige is definitely up there and I personally haven’t found anything he’s said to be wrong but who knows) but Gunn is either spot on with details like rockets background or way off like statements on Thors timeline or I am groots canonicity.
Love your Timeline videos! I have a video idea for you that i think would be an interesting topic, and that relates to the Stan Lee cameos. Basically, Kevin Fegie confirmed that, at least in the MCU, that the Stan Lee cameos are actually all one character called the Watcher Informant, and that explains how he can be present in different time periods. I think there also might be a theory floating around that this applies to movies set in others universes, like X-Men 2000 and Hulk 2003. Maybe for the video you and the Discord guys could find evidence that hints to Stan Lee jumping in between universes? Would love to see that!
That’s a really cool idea… Now that several of these movies are established to be part of the Multiverse, it could very well be that Stan Lee jumped around between the different universes!
Interesting video concept to be sure. Whoa had no idea 97 had tie-in material that is very cool. Surprised at how many 'categories' you had in this video.
Yeah, I’m really looking forward to discussing the X-Men 97 tie-in material. I think the final issue hits digital in less than a month.
Hello, a bit of everything! I unfortunately don't have much to say on this topic but here is 3 questions I have for you.
1. What do you use to make the timeline images in the google drive in the description?
2. Will you do something special for 20k subs? You're pretty close
3. Can you make a timeline video on the Marvel Animated Features? They were 8 direct to video movies from 2006-2011.
Great questions!
1. What do you use to make the timeline images in the google drive in the description?
I use Powerpoint, as it lets me create nice visuals, but is also very easy to use
2. Will you do something special for 20k subs? You're pretty close
Hard to believe it's getting that close. I definitely need to come up with something special for that milestone!
3. Can you make a timeline video on the Marvel Animated Features? They were 8 direct to video movies from 2006-2011.
I'm open to doing just about anything. Remind me what those are and if they are on D+ then I could give it a shot!
@@AbitofEverything4U Thank you so much for the responses! :D
yw!
God knows what year we would be in the timeline if these eras stood
Indeed!
Great breakdown!
Thanks!!
I did notice the other day that The Wolverine date silently moved in the timeline doc and planned on asking you about it, only for the video to answer it foe me😂
Niiiiice! Yep, we decided to call the snow an official timeline indicator and so it moved slightly. Really wish they'd have shown us something to indicate the year, however. Such a bummer!
This is a great list and ranking! I agree with it for the most part, or at least in the case of the MCU, I completely agree with it. But since you're suggesting that this ranking might be applied to other franchises in general, I'd say that some of it is conditional, particularly the first two. I'd say the only reason I accept the MCU Timeline book and the Disney+ timeline as reliable are because trustworthy sources at Marvel have said that they're reliable. If not for that, I would rank these two indicators much lower on the list, like around #12 or 13, because they'd basically be in the same category as potentially canon marketing material.
The other thing I want to point out is that "crew statements" should have some additional rules to determine reliability. Basically, WHAT crew is making particular statements. Obviously a director or writer is much more reliable than a camera operator. And of course, a director or writer would be more reliable regarding their own movie than someone else's movie in the same franchise, as you pointed out with James Gunn vs. Taika Waititi.
Speaking of which, I remember you once tried to look at Groot's visible age in Love and Thunder to try to place that, though it turned out to not make sense, because he appeared the same age that he did in Infinity War and Endgame. And I'm not even sure what type of indicator this would be, because Groot is a CGI character that has a totally unfamiliar aging process. And the truth is, and this would be another example of Waititi and Gunn not being on the same page, Waititi and the effects team just didn't know that Groot should look older than the last time we saw him, as we would soon see him look much different in the Guardians Holiday Special. But to follow consistent timeline rules outlined in this video, you'd have to just look at intent, much like visible weather that's not tied to the plot. Groot's age has no bearing on the plot of L&T, so they just made him look like the Groot that they knew.
Another rule that should probably be part of this should be that if one timeline indicator gets contradicted by another of the SAME type of indicator, then the newer one overrides the first. For example, let's say a clearly visible calendar says it's 2008, then in a later movie a character references that event and says it was five years ago, but another clearly visible calendar in that same movie shows 2014, then the newer information would override what was seen in the earlier movie, and place that in 2009 instead of 2008. However, if the newer information is ranked lower, like if the more recent prop is just barely visible, then we should assume the less visible one is wrong and wasn't meant to be seen. (Or in an actual example of trying to place Iron Man, more recent and consistent character dialog has placed in it 2008, overriding the official marketing material that had placed it in 2009 or 2010 or whatever it was.)
And my last comment, with regard to "on-screen text", a specific date or year should be ranked higher than text indicating a relative passage of time. And text indicating time passed since a date established in the SAME movie is much more reliable than time passed since an event established outside of that movie.
Wow...that's some fantastic feedback. I agree, the timeline book placement is based on the reliability of the franchise, but I would suspect that any franchise that puts out a timeline book would likely mean for it to be considered canon. However, your point is still valid that not all timeline books are created equal.
Crew statements was probably not the best term, as you are right, I'm not meaning a camera person, per se, but the writers, directors, producers, etc. My bad for using that vague term.
Excellent point about things like Groot's age and why that isn't as important of a timeline qualifier as many people treated it.
I totally agree on the contradictory dates and in fact, I showed that happening in a few cases. Homecoming had the homecoming dance with two different dates, the Blade show had the health monitor with two differing dates and the Man Of Steel had Lois' camera with two different dates. Can't believe that type of things happens, tbh. Seems they should catch that when editing.
And that's a good point about on-screen text vs. a solid date. A solid date is better than an on screen text of "5 years later".
Fantastic feedback. Loved it!
Can’t I came out the same person after watching this video and Great video as always
lol...I suspect you are indeed already a timeline master!
Can you try to figure out the Big Hero 6 timeline?
Yeah, I need to do that at some point. Would be very cool to see. Thanks for the suggestion!
Number 21 is probably the one we are using the most in the Lego Marvel Timeline on Discord 😂
Yeah… I suspect Number 21 is indeed about the only thing you can use for the Lego marvel timeline. But it still lets you know the overall timeline order, so ig it’s better than nothing!
@@AbitofEverything4U I mean we also figured out that the first game is in summer through the green trees and character dialogue and the second game is definetly in winter cause of all the snow. Also some of the shorts actually take place in a different order than they released.
Nice...that's cool that at least some hints are there!
I love being a timeline sluth epesially when we pinpointed Elektra in Dec 05 or me going through Spectacular Spider-Man which had a lot of timeframe clues (no year though) really cool gathering the info.
ikr? Isn't it so much fun to dig for those clues. Been fun brainstorming ideas with you!
@@AbitofEverything4U most definitely
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Lol, he changed the intro and it threw me off so hard. I'm a timeline fan now.
lol...yeah, I had to record that a few times before I could say it without messing up!
I never understood why some people didn’t accept the timeline shown on Disney+. Shouldn’t the source coming from the producer of all these movies/shows be the most reputable..?
I agree… It was always strange to me that people fought against the Disney+ timeline for several years. It seems like people have come to accept it now that the timeline book has validated the Disney+ timeline as being accurate. But it really was a strange phenomenon that people attacked it for several years.
To be fair the main complaints were from the placement of things like Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Shang Chi (the latter of which was fixed) which were strange at the time
@@mds_main Yeah, Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 were definitely points of confusion. I assumed Iron Man 3 came first, but honestly, the more I thought about it, I like it after Thor 2. I did this short vid on why I like it better, in case you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/rfkmc6MfY6M/v-deo.html.
I wish they fixed these little timeline things (especially the 8 years later) and rerelease this versions on Disney plus, like they did with Star Wars several times
I agree...they really, really need to fix that 8 years later!
It doesn't apply as much to the MCU, but also historical events. For example, the Cuban Missile Crisis in X-Men: First Class, helping to narrow down the exact time it took place.
That’s a good point! Yes, I suspect historical events might end up falling into the general category with cultural events, since both seem to indicate something irl is also happening in the timeline. Excellent addition to the list!
24:30 I don't want to correct you, but, "Bye, Bye, Bye" was released in 2000, in the early 2000s.
Great point! Thanks for the clarification on that. And thanks for watching the vid!
Could you make a video all about the Wakanda files and where it happens? Because since I don’t have a copy of it, I’ve had to put it in between endgame and Wandavision on my timeline, which is really poor timing with Wandavision happening three weeks after endgame. If you could bring this up, I would greatly appreciate it.
That’s a good idea… I need to do a video on that book and what we learn from it as well as where it fits in the timeline. Excellent suggestion!
Love the video
Thanks! Had a lot of fun putting it together!
Actor ages could explain the "ten-year-old" line. Cassie may have still been nine but Abby Ryder Forston would have just turned ten when AMW came out. Paul Rudd may have accidentally given Abby's age instead of Cassie's, and the mistake was left in.
As for Secret Invasion, it could have just been a warm November day. In New York City, the mean maximum temperature in November is 70F! Which means maybe only one day gets THAT hot but there could be many relatively warm days. I live in Baltimore and I distinctly remember a single day one February that it got to the seventies. FEBRUARY.
Finally, I'm sure you're aware but wikis are fluid by nature. We know entries have been moved around on the Disney+ timeline; the Marvel Wiki mods could always change their minds about when something was placed. There's not much stopping a future entry from retconning something in the official timeline book either* but as that's set in stone, it's harder to intentionally change.
*That being said, with many projects being developed at once there's been a lot of right-hand-vs-left-hand lately. A contradiction could arise from one project referencing an early draft of another project that ended up being changed. This means things can get muddy between projects that come out right after one another while still keeping things consistent for more than a year prior.
Excellent feedback! Yes, your explanation may very well explain the 10-year-old line in Ant-man and the wasp. And I did not realize that New York can hit a temperature of 70 in November. That’s wild.
I think the bigger issue is that the trees were still green, meaning that fall had not hit yet even though it was November. So, it could very well have been that it was not an intentional timeline indicator for the trees to have been green, but that it was just the point in time when they filmed the movie and the trees happened to be green at that point.
I totally agree with your point that the timeline has to be fluid and things move around and get retconned. So one of the things I probably should’ve mentioned in the video is that a true timeline detective needs to be open to change and willing to update their own personal timelines based on how things move forward.
Once again, excellent feedback. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts!
What about general public Technology? Not like Sci-Fi high tech stuff, but if there are scenes out in a city, it could be used if there's scenes with certain car models etc...
Great addition to the list. That would probably fit in the category of pop culture references, as it is a hint towards something that can be tied back to a specific timeframe irl. Excellent feedback!
I’m gonna give some examples of my favourite franchises giving us dates for when they take place
Resident Evil They almost always just tell us exactly when the games and movies happen then you have Grand Theft Auto where sometimes they just say the year the games happens in other times (the more recent games) you have to go on in game websites to find the dates and then theirs surprisingly Crash Bandicoot where they only say it’s been this many years since the last game and it’s been like that until Crash 4 where you can play flashback tapes that lead to the events of the first game happening and sure enough it confirms the year as well as the month and day the first game happens in and then lastly you have Five Nights at Freddy’s infamous timeline where we’re told the days and month the first game happens in but not the year the second game tells you the year then the third one just says oh idk 30 years after the first one (it was literally debated for awhile when the 5th game happens) I’m glad the movie just tells you the month and year it happens in and yeah that’s pretty much it I’m not going into the way Mortal Kombat does it’s timeline that series timeline gives the Fox X-Men films a run for their money.
Those are some great examples of how different franchises handle their timelines. Yeah the FNAF timeline is legendary in how it has divided fans. It would be great if we always got more detailed information, but I guess part of the fun is trying to figure it all out!
I always thought that the trees on the background were a good indicator, turns out its not always the case hahah
Yeah, me too! I mean, I still use them when I can't find anything else to go on, but it does seem they are quite often based upon when the movie was filmed as much as when the movie is placed in the timeline. We need a new law from Congress that all trees must be appropriately represented in movies based on the correct timeline placement, dern it!
That’s fascinating that Janet made Kang 21 years into her time…so how long were they friends? Years? 😮
ikr? That was such an interesting revelation in that Podcast. As for how long they were together, the movie says "It took ages" to build the new core and "I spent years running from him, hiding from him". So my guess is they spent a few years building the core and then in perhaps 2012 she sabotaged it and ran from him until she escaped in 2018. That's just a guess, but it seems to fit with the timeline clues she gave us. If only Peyton told us how long it took to build the core. Then we'd be set!
I pretty much agree with this, but I think in-universe information always has to be held as the highest tier of canon unless it is clearly incorrect like Homecoming's 8 years later or is intentionally retconned by newer material. Otherwise there's no reason to even investigate the timeline for ourselves as none of our investigations mean anything until an official source confirms it one way or the other. There's also the possibility of intentions not being communicated correctly by out-of-universe sources, and just that out-of-universe sources are far more fallible than in-universe sources. So I would rearrange the priority of some of these but otherwise I agree.
The reason some in-universe items are lower on the list is they are less reliable in general. Things like the clothes people are wearing (shorts vs. heavy coats) or the trees being green or brown or a very small date on a computer screen is that these things are often just due to when the movie was filmed and not meant to be timeline indicators. So that's why they rank lower.
As for why we should try to figure out the timeline? That's ofc totally up to each person depending on whether they enjoy the hunt for clues. Keep in mind that for years we didn't have a timeline book and so this type of analysis was necessary.
Also, for many of the older Marvel movies we don't have an official timeline. Plus, when new MCU movies and shows air, we don't know Marvel's official position yet. So in all these cases, it's fun to be a timeline detective!
It's a little sad that the only DC content that received attention from this channel was the abysmal DCEU, when there were other DC interpretations and sagas with better representation of many of these characters who were not given enough time in the DCEU.
like the dark knight trilogy or the batman anthology of the 80s-90s, or the superman anthology by richard donner, or the arrowverse for examples
Good point! So I haven't gone back to discuss the earlier DC moves (i.e. Batman or Superman), but perhaps I should. And Arrowverse was so far along when I started the channel that I didn't think I should jump in so late. But I'll definitely cover the DCU when it starts up soon!
@@AbitofEverything4U please at least do one of TDK Trilogy
Your research is quite comprehensive and I would like to see your interpretation of the chronological placement of those films and not just their mainstream universes like the DCEU and then the DCU.
Good suggestion. Those were incredibly good movies!
@@Mr_Wayne2012Well in terms of the Arrowverse theres not really much he can cover when it comes to that universe, as it basically ended over a year ago with Flash season 9 in early 2023, also he mainly only covers current ongoing franchises like the MCU, Star Wars and the upcoming DCU so there really isn't any point in talking about past franchises like the TDK trilogy, DCEU etc other than nostalgia.
@@iraford5788 Good summary. Yeah, I try to stick to newer movies and shows for the most part. I've been looking at some of the older Marvel movies, but that's because the characters may appear in Secret Wars. Other than that, it's mostly newer stuff.
He's teaching us how to dictate the proper flow of time according to his dictations
Oh my… I apologize if it came off in the video like I was saying these are my ideas. I actually give full credit to the wiki for coming up with that incredible list. I learned a lot of these skills from looking at how the wiki built out the MCU timeline before the timeline book arrived. It’s a truly amazing wiki!
@@AbitofEverything4U oh, I was jokingly quoting a funny line from Loki episode 1 when Loki is in court for his crimes in front of Renslayer for the first time... It was just a dumb attempt at a silly joke, not a diss towards your awesome work!
Loki: "Well, perhaps I should speak to these Time-Keepers, gods to gods."
Renslayer: "I’m sorry, but they’re quite busy."
"Oh, they are? What are they doing?"
"Dictating the proper flow of time."
"I see. Right. And then what do you do?"
"Dictate the proper flow of time according to their dictations."
lol! Can't believe I didn't get that reference. Nicely done!
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Thanks so much...means alot to me! 😊
At 12:16 you point out that the roman numerals are wrong - as they most likely are in this case (haven't watched Morbius) - because there cannot be 4 X's behind each other. But that is untrue!
I have learned that - at least in Medieval and Early Modern Times - people did sometimes write 4 X's, but definitely 4 I's after each other. I can't speak for everywhere, but that happened in the Belgian area at least. This year, I have come across many numbers like that in some fiscal documents during my history studies.
It's not very likely, however, that this niche historical reference would be added into movies, but it's a small thing I wanted to share 😊
Oh wow...that was really cool to learn all that. You gave a mini-history lesson there. Loved reading it!
8 year later still hurt my heart forever for real
ikr? That was the moment that broke Feige and resulted in hiring a timeline keeper. So ig in a way we should celebrate it, as Marvel really got serious in timeline management after that point!
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The issue with Star Wars in Timeline Order on Disney+ is that there are missing entries.
For starters, Young Jedi Adventures and its Shorts are not before The Acolyte because they are not even present. This is understandable because it is a preschooler show, and it's going to get complicated with the Shorts and the Series proper being interlinked chronologically, but still, if we're being completists, why is I Am Groot included with Marvel when most probably don't care and it likely won't affect anything in the long run, but Young Jedi is excluded in Star Wars?
There are other more important entries missing though. The Clone Wars movie is essential to The Clone Wars show, and it's still under Series and Specials (It's not even listed as a movie when it was theatrically released!), not even in the Timeline.
The Tales of the Jedi and Tales of the Empire shows are also missing. This makes sense because they are anthologies that jump around the timeline, but they do actually have placements in another list on the Star Wars website with Tales of the Jedi being placed after Clone Wars, and Tales of the Empire being placed after Revenge of the Sith, and they include asterisks that say they jump around the timeline.
And then there are the Rebels Shorts, and Forces of Destiny Shorts as well, both not essential viewing, skewing a bit younger, but still not on the timeline, not to mention Forces of Destiny is another anthology series that jumps all over the timeline. Forces of Destiny is also absent from the Star Wars Website list, but if I were to place it anywhere, I'd put it after The Last Jedi because it has episodes that take place during that movie.
We also run into a bit of an issue with Andor being placed after Rebels, which is not entirely wrong, I think they're doing this to have it lead directly into Rogue One with Season Two, I'll being doing the same, but it does take place concurrently with Rebels, and the Star Wars website has it placed before Rebels in the Chronological Order. So Andor Season 1 takes place before Rebels, but then with Season 2, every three episodes are said to jump a year, so the placement of stories is going to get very complicated.
Similarly with Resistance to the Netflix shows of Marvel, its 2 Seasons are actually broken up by movies with Season 1 taking place before The Force Awakens and it's final episodes actually taking place concurrently to the events of the movie, and then Season 2 takes place just after The Last Jedi if the first episode is not also happening concurrently with it. You also have Mando Season 3 taking place between Book of Boba Fett and Ahsoka. If Disney every gets around to it, splitting up the shows by Seasons when necessary would be helpful.
The Star Wars Timeline on Disney+ needs some work.
Yeah, I think it's tough with alot of those Star Wars shows, as they jump all over the timeline with each episode. Tales of the Jedi and Empire should really be split by episode, for instance. Forces of Destiny is even crazier in that respect. So I don't know what they could do for Star Wars shows that jump all over. I do agree that the Clone Wars movie is big miss, though. Not sure why they don't have that. So I do think that what is actually in the timeline is the canon order, but I agree, lots is missing from the timeline for Star Wars. Hope they find a way to fix it at some point!
It would be amazing if you put the Marvel canon comics on your timeline Google sheet
Yeah, I need to see if there's somewhere that Marvel has confirmed which ones are still considered canon. I know the X-Men 97 ones are canon, but I'm not sure if the original ones like Fury's big week are still considered canon. Marvel has been very wishy-washy on those, even though they fit very nicely into canon.
@@AbitofEverything4U I like to see it like Agents of SHIELD, Captain Carter, Inhumans, Cloak and Dagger... For me are totally canon.
@@aitorjavierjacintoramos2487 Yep, alot of people consider them canon regardless of Marvel's position on them.
@@AbitofEverything4U ¿You consider all canon?
It’s hard to decide what to do since they aren’t mentioned in the timeline book. I mean there’s nothing about them that seems to make them non-canon, but nonetheless they weren’t mentioned and so I am guessing that Marvel does not consider them canon.
We know the Stark Expo site is now not canon since the timeline book places Monaco on May 5th. Two days before the site says the Expo begins.
Great point! Yeah, that's a good example of how we can't fully trust a marketing campaign. The 2010 year was valid, but not the May 7th date. And in fact, even in the movie we have a date of May 6th given as the day after the race.
Yeah, it’s clear they got May 5th from the movie showing May 6th and being the day after. I personally have the Expo beginning in Late April, Monaco’s May 5th, Tony’s at home on the 6th, the timeline book shows these happen before Ross goes after Bruce in Brazil, so you have to account for that movie’s time jump. Which is why I have Fury’s Big Week from May 23rd-29th (using the days of the week from What-If, I know this may be controversial but I don’t see why the events that altered the timeline would affect when FBW is happening). Also on the topic of deleted scenes, there’s one where Olivia Munn’s reporter character mentions Hammer is giving his presentation 3 weeks into the Expo, which would fit.
Nice! Yeah, the location of FBW is tough to pin down. Theoretically, Tony's birthday is 5/29, based on that prop. If so, then the first day of FBW is May 29. But that doesn't work very well, since 5/29/2010 is a Saturday. So perhaps they were celebrating his birthday early. In that case, your timeline with the week starting on the 23rd works great!
That’s honestly what I go with. A lot of times, birthday party’s don’t happen on the actual day and with Tony’s diagnosis he celebrated early. I did use to go with the 29th, but What-If and the timeline book changed that.
Well said!
34:20 recast Henry Cavill… there’s no High Evolutionary without Mister Sinister
Yeah, that is definitely a casting that I would love to see!
Does the timeline of Sam having found the Avengers for the dinner cruise ship play-a-long count. Kamala and Carol both living together and Wasp and Antman together. Did ultron make an appearance already before his tv debut? Or why our movie is set on the 2025 inaugural compile to your viewpoint
Good questions! So Marvel has created an "amusement park" universe, for lack of a better term and all of the rides (as well as the cruise ship) are a connected universe. If you haven't seen my video on it yet, you might check this out as it shows the different connections between the rides and the cruise ship experience: ua-cam.com/video/5qSVIL_Kbeg/v-deo.html
I just noticed something. The Newsfront Twitter account seen in this video (no I will never say X) has a gold checkmark on it, something that didn’t exist prior to 2022, which is odd since the account has not been active for a very long time. I don’t think it was around for long though, as I couldn’t see it when I last checked. What do you think?
I’m with you… I’m gonna call it Twitter until I die. As for the gold checkmark, that is a really good question. I only know that when that screen capture was taken, that’s how it looked. But I’m not sure when the screen capture was taken. I can’t remember if I did it or if I pulled it off the wiki. If I find out though, I’ll let you know!
me thing is use disney+ timeline for 616/sacred timeline with 2 caverts 1-since first avenger begins and ends in present day i watch it after thor and 2-because of post credit scene i would watch black widow before hawkeye plus it really more about yelena than natasha anyway.
with X-Men this is how i would approach it.X-Men and x2 in 2004 and last stand in 2006.main event os the wolverine in 2011 and mid credit scene in 2013.and watch deadpool 2 after logan.deadpool & Wolverine when it hits blu-ray and straming will work well as direct followup to deadpool 2.
so after resigning for disneyhulu bundle about to start marathon of mcu multiverse.my approach will be to go with straight mcu till loki season 1.then do what if season 1 and then go between various universes on those i own on blu-ray,dvd or on disney+ or hulu.the ones that are canon to multiverse via deadpool & wolverine or spider-man no way home.only punisher film i have is extended cut of 2004 film and rest aren't on streaming i have.i would include ghost rider since almost in d & w and i feel will be in secret wars but hard to find on streaming and i didn't purchase it. i think best to treat agent carter tv show and agents of shield as branch off of mcu since neither part of official timeline.
Those are some very good points. I think the Disney+ timeline is helpful to know what the official order of the movies and shows in the timeline is, but it isn’t necessarily the right order to do afull rewatch. You raise some good points about CA: the first avenger and Black widow, for example. Sounds like you’re gonna have a lot of fun with your rewatch of the MCU. Thanks so much for sharing your feedback on the video. Really appreciate it!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks. for myself i would watch punisher war zone,asm 1 and 2 and ff2015 in between dp and deadpool.and watch venom after new mutants but before resuming with mcu present with wandaviision.and watch logan after the marvels and then loki season 2,what if s2 and then dead 2/and wolverine.
since x-men'97 on disney+ is claled part of mcu multiverse i would put it,original X_Men 90's show and spider-man 90's show as universe and watch them before blade.
Those placements work well. That's a good watch order!
What about reality shows like 90 Day Fiance or My 600 lb life?
I suspect any show could be used as a timeline reference… Especially when we can’t find anything else. In general, I think using things like TV shows should be pretty low on the list, but sometimes they are our only option.
i want a book!
Thanks for watching the video and best of luck in the contest!
But if a movie was based on a novel, like the Harry Potter series, we should take when the book takes place, too right? What level of priority should the source material's date take in this video?
Good question...if the movie was trying to be a 100% faithful adaptation, then I think the book would hold alot of weight. But so often the movies are a loose adaptation, with alot changed for the big screen. In that case, the book wouldn't hold too much weight, it seems.
@@AbitofEverything4U But if the movie was mostly faithful, you'd use the book's dates before the movie release date, right? Some movies and books would take place over multiple days. Each title in the Harry Potter series take place in the span of an entire school year. And considering the length of the books compared to the movies, when we're not on Harry's birthday, first day of school, Halloween, Christmas or the last day, it would be good to use the timeline of the book to figure out which day it happened in the movie, right? Well, unless we're dealing with Sirius Black giving Harry the Firebolt broomstick which happened at the end of the movie instead of Christmas.
I agree...in the case of something like Harry Potter, those are very helpful in determining the dates. But I still wonder if a book release date should always trump a movie release date, due to some books not turning into movies for several years. It's a great question to ponder and probably should be handled on a case by case basis, tbh!
@@AbitofEverything4U Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was published in the UK in 1997 but is set in the 1991-1992 school year, so you can't use release dates for the Harry Potter books because they've been years behind. As for the movies that didn't really show the dates (as far as I noticed), you definitely can't use the release dates because they skipped over 2003, 2006 and 2008 and they always take place the school year after the previous film, and the seventh and eighth films were set the same year.
As for movies based on books that never used dates, maybe you should go with the book's original publication because classic stories written in Victorian times tend to keep the Victorian aesthetics in the movies. If the movie is modernized with contemporary references that pulls it far away from the time of the original book, then use the movie's release date. But if it looks more like the world of the original book, use the book's publication. If it's an anachronism stew of different time periods, then it would be much harder to tell the time. And if the book show evidence of dates, use those dates we're told and not the release dates. And of course, if the movie shows dates different from the book, use the film's dates.
Excellent suggestions!
I wonder what happens if you pruin someone in the void
Hmmm...maybe it disappears and then re-appears? lol...that would be hilarious!
@@AbitofEverything4Uit wlll be interesting because we see the spark in deadpool it will be funny is it like Thor Ragnrock when Loki was falling for 30 minutes
lol...loved that scene!
Marvel gotta hire you
Would truly be a dream job!
The original x-men trilogy did not take place in the 90s. It took place in the 2000s.
I definitely agree with you that when they released the OG trilogy, it was absolutely meant to be in the 2000s. What I struggle with is whether or not they intentionally or unintentionally retconned it into the 90s. In addition to X-Men origins Wolverine being placed in 1979, it almost seems like days of future past might have helped retcon the OG trilogy into the 90s, due to how it handled the new timeline going forward. If you haven’t seen this short video, you might check it out. It’s really interesting: ua-cam.com/video/_n4jsKkLAgc/v-deo.htmlsi=BATktpOoO6ZK3qTh
What month and was the date on wanadavison ?
Do you mean the November calendar with November 10th highlighted?
@@AbitofEverything4U the calander that shows the heart ? On episode 1
Yep, that’s November 10th!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks just asking
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What's with this timeline?
Great question...it's all of the tips and tricks to trying to determine your very question...."what's with this timeline". In the video, you'll get all kinds of ideas for how to figure that out for yourself!
You missed out pop for iron man 2 number 11 it says 2010
Are you referring to the comics?
@@AbitofEverything4Uno the iron man 2 movie
@@AbitofEverything4UI’ve sent you a screenshot of it to you I’m sure I have sent you it before
Ah, thanks! I just wasn't sure what you meant by "out pop". But yeah, that date is awesome!
@@AbitofEverything4U your welcome happy to bring that back up again for you
Well, you told us the trade secret, might as well wrap up the youtube channel by now...
Yep… The next video will be my retirement video… I’m heading off to Florida to sit on the beach and get sunburnt! Party time!
Maybe secret invasion was just a nick fury nightmare and that problem goes away
Lol! You probably aren’t the only one with that feeling!
I always do most of this anyway lmao
Which is exactly why you are an effective timeline detective! Yeah, I just think it’s fun to look at all these different factors to see how they all fit together in the pursuit of a timeline placement!
@@AbitofEverything4U it's just a bit of fun as well just trying to see how things fit together in the bigger picture. Although the X-Men timeline does give me a headache especially X-Men origins
ikr? Man, that X-Men timeline is painful!
@@AbitofEverything4U X-Men origins does not fit I will die on that hill
Between X-Men Origins and First Class, they both create quite the mess!
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My friend, you are the best UA-camr ever.
Come on, everybody, let's help him out of 495K subscribers.
He is a MCU, Star Wars, and DC, king!!!
You are so nice to say that. Truly appreciate your awesome support!
Yeah, I am happy for it.
But I didn't know the song of "bye bye bye" in X2 before.
Yeah, I had forgotten about that, too!
Yeah, but I don't remember the name of the song it is.
21 years later, here we are in the year 2024.
I like DP&W and the song of "bye bye bye" deadpool fights all the TVA, but the part is funny, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I can't stop laughing, but It's way too painful all of it.
lol!
I hadn't thought about '8 years later' in many months and you had to go and remind me
Ooops...sorry about that. However, I truly think that was the moment that broke Feige and resulted in hiring a timeline keeper. So ig in a way we should celebrate it, as Marvel really got serious in timeline management after that point!
@@AbitofEverything4Uyou really should be the official time keeper. don’t know anyone who does it better
@@isaacbrown7936 Thanks for the vote of confidence. It would be a dream job!
I thought the scene actually exists in wakanda forever it’s been a long time since I wakanda forever I did tell you I was re watch it soon because I was getting Thunderbolts vibes
Smart call to rewatch before Thunderbolts*!
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The Wolverine has absolutely nothing indicating timeline placement? Probably for its own good tbh.
Yeah, it is interesting how it’s kind of freeing for a movie to not have to place itself in the timeline. The entire focus is therefore just on the movie and not how it fits into the greater narrative. I do think in general that movies that are part of a universe should give you a sense of place and time, but it is refreshing to occasionally have a movie that bucks the trend like that.
The amazing spider man 2 is trash
The Rhino was definitely very, very painful. And the world-building was waaaaaay to heavy-handed. But I thought the parts with Peter and Gwen were great and also had a huge payoff during NWH!