Hi guys, I love the movies as they are, but I did some story telling of my own to see how I would tie the franchise together, and fix some stuff that I and many others didn't like. Its just a "for fun" story, only about 3 days of thinking here, no major theory, hope you enjoy! I will note that the Alphas aren't meant to be related to the Engineers or the humans, they would be ancient and Engineers and Humans don't happen til much later.
Good so far I like the idea of the Alpha's, and Engineers but there is one big hole... why would they make LV223 a bio hazard after instructing humans to go there when they had a chance. Space is ginormous, they could have dumped the goo literally anywhere else. Maybe "the goo goes bad" when it is not maintained. The original Idea might have been to introduce humans (and engineers) to this bio tech but, after thousands of years, the Alpha's experienced a regime shift, the human and engineer project was scrapped and the goo was abandoned and allowed to go bad.
Its a little convoluted.....but....yeah - i like this idea! I could certainly buy into it! With how "messy" the prequels seem to have got, i suppose plot somersaults are inevitable at this point! As i say, i like theory, but i find it hard to imagine how it could translate to the big screen....its quite complex! I can't shake the feeling, that a movie just isn't enough time to fully explore alot of these ideas (same goes for Prometheus and Covenant too) Maybe....juuuuust maybe, Ridley Scott would be better off making an Alien TV series? I mean....im sure it'll never happen, but i just think he needs alot more than 2 hours to really explain himself properly. But hey - Awakening might be THE movie we've all been waiting for.......maybe..... ....I'm gonna watch part two now - keep it up SciFi Explained! =D
It would not be able to undo the damage of Prometheus and covenant. One of the many errors of these films revolves around androids. In Alien the crew are shocked that Ash is an Android as are the audience. In Prometheus the prequel, David is known to the crew as an android, but have been exposed to that technology? There should not have been an android in the prequels which is a pity as the android was the only one who could act!
What many plebs dont understand is that those cavepaintings actually exists. Try google also "ancient civilization connection pyramids" and look at google pics
Prometheus was a good film in my opinion. The problem with Covenant was they seemingly dropped the Engineers and just made it a standard scifi horror type film. They should've explored the engineers we saw in Prometheus. I thought they was very interesting concept.
The fact that you enjoyed it and had a good experience does not formally make it a good film as an object. It's visually stunning but just formally bad, and contrived screenwriting.
@Anthony Emrick I read the script and it's a little better than the film. Still it's a mess from a crafts-perspective, that's true regardless of whether you view it as part of the alien franchise or not.
@Anthony Emrick I was not talking about the classic book/movie adaptation issues if that's what you were thinking about, "written materials" is not one lumped together category, a screenplay is a very specific thing. As a professional you don't read a script for the experience of reading, but with an analytical, dramaturgically focused eye, which is not about "lit crit" but about basic functionalities and narrative bones. It's more of an engineering type of read if you will. I don't know where I stand on whether or not the Prometheus line should have been tied to alien or not, using the same universe for different things will always be somewhat ambivalent because there just formally already ARE basic connections. If there weren't and they did not matter, you could have made a completely separate line of movies. Maybe they should have. But honestly for me it's not about expectation it just comes down to craft of storytelling and while these metaconsiderations are quite interesting, what bugs me about prometheus is not that, but the fact that it combines a host of basic crafts violations with having no sense of it's core self. It takes fundamental and radical revisions to fix something like that, it's not surface stuff, it's in the bones, and frankly about half the movie as it stands would be gone and entirely new fundamental ideas have to be invented in the place of what you cut if you went down the road towards some kind of healing. It reminds me of certain students projects that I used to supervise at university, when they go through the whole process of writing a scientific paper but they forgot to truly formulate and validate the basic problem they're working on and make the right subsequent choices about what to focus on and what tools to use to do it. The result is meandering, superficial and looking for coherence and finding fragmented bits with potential here and there only to immediately run off looking for it in some other place that seems immediately inspiring. Not suprisingly such products have no meaningful conclusion, because they touched upon nothing and everything in the process. Interestingly - just like Prometheus these projects tend to be not concrete and particular but drift off into some very meta and nebulous, philosophical searches for connection at a level they never earned acces to by building bottom-up. There is no grounding there. It's a fascination with a heap of material and potential themes which is fine at a research stage of both project writing and art making, but at some point you have to dig deeper than that and start making relevant choices. If not, all that truly connects the pieces is your fasciation with the potential web of complex internconnections between them. An professional artist friend of mine once said: The more concrete and particular you get, the more abstract or many-layered you can allow yourself to become. Prometheus never does that. It hints at all this elaborate context, like a stoner at a freshman party, and at the same time if fails to even draw characters at the most basic level.
@Anthony Emrick I get what you are saying but I am not sure I follow the connection? Revision of surface detail kind of assumes a an existing coherent core and a defined core premise by which you navigate when making revisions. My point is that Prometheus does not effectively establish that. I don't see the problems this movie has as revision stage issues, but more as fundamental flaws, that result in a pervasive lack of direction and part/whole coherence.
Jude Conig it’s more of a straight sci-fi story not fully horror. It’s great if you like historical mythology and occult literature like the Book of Enoch or manly P halls secret teachings of the ages .
And here is the final version David Android personality concepts and overall emulation of "engineers" in Alien franchise prime inspiration source Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus (1 January 1818 release date of the first book) Quotes : 1 - “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.” 2 - “Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.” 3 - "If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!" 4 - "I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel..." 5 - “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.” 6 - "I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous." 7 - "The fallen angel becomes a malignant devil. Yet even that enemy of God and man had friends and associates in his desolation; I am alone." 8 - "The world was to me a secret which I desired to devine." 9 - "I looked upon the sea, it was to be my grave." 10 - "He was soon borne away by the waves and lost in darkness and distance." GOOD READS web page for more quotes about the Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus : www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4836639-frankenstein-or-the-modern-prometheus
David Android personality concepts and overall emulation of "engineers" in Alien franchise prime inspiration source Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus (1 January 1818 release date of the first book) Quotes : 1 - “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.” 2 - “Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.” 3 - "If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!" 4 - "I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel..." 5 - “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.” 6 - "I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous." 7 - "The fallen angel becomes a malignant devil. Yet even that enemy of God and man had friends and associates in his desolation; I am alone." 8 - "The world was to me a secret which I desired to devine." 9 - "I looked upon the sea, it was to be my grave." 10 - "He was soon borne away by the waves and lost in darkness and distance." GOOD READS web page for more quotes about the Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus : www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4836639-frankenstein-or-the-modern-prometheus
Let us keep in mind Giger here. An artist. Art is open to interpretation. These movies, with Giger at the core, are left open for everyone to create their own viewpoint. We as the viewers are the big picture itself. It is a free for all. There are theories. There are speculations. There are unanswered questions. But that is the beauty of it. You can make your own decision on what is factual. It will make sense to you because that is the way art should be.
Cool concept. Your idea of the Alphas growing the things they need and use organically instead of building them like the engineers suggests maybe they developed the ability to manipulate energy and matter at a high level to serve their purpose which is knocking on the door of being godlike
Yes cool concept but who cares it’s all made up and he made up a whole thing that has no existing elements that he’s connecting. He just said I’m gonna make a whole new story. Yk maybe he joins the writers and this becomes true and tha would be very cool but he isn’t and that hasn’t happened at least yet
Honestly, I would love to see a movie on the Alphas at and the Xeno Engineers. I am over the Alien films. Alien and Aliens were great films. Let them be cannon and let's move on with the Alphas and the Xeno Engineers.
The problem is that this was not originally Ridley Scott's story. It was Dan O'Bannon's. When the original Alien movie was done, Scott made a huge amount of changes to it. It is like he wants to make a whole series of movies to change the original to make it completely his story. Unfortunately, he can't, because the original movie is already done.
I realize that. I'm just saying that Scott is using the prequels to change the inferences that were in the original movie. Many people feel, including the narrator for Scifi Explained, the overall story of the has become disjointed enough to need fixing. I'm saying the reason Scott is doing this is because he is still trying to take ownership of the original movie that was O'Bannon's.
They were more like co-creators. Scott created the tone, and the atmosphere, while O'Bannon created the story. Besides, it's an argument that only stupid people make because they don't know the facts, just like blaming a director for the writing.
atmosphere?? ridley had a HUGE part in the first alien movie and worked WITH Dan O'Bannon, he didnt work on top of the story but they made it together and now ridley is the one continuing the work. ridley has the same claim to the franchise as Dan and he deserves his place
I like how this would play with David. Like, his whole thing is being superior to humans and being able to create life, but then imagine his shock and anger when he learns not only is there another species superior to him, but they also already created what he has a long time before him. Would be interesting
if we have a high demand we can make ridley or the other creators to try this theory out if they are still unsure of their own. Thats how some movies today have their outcome: due to their fans
Fan storie or not this 15 minutes gave me a vision of a whole 3 or 4 hour movie. I really enjoyed it. It's like reading a book with no pictures or very little pictures and leaves the rest to your imagination which is far greater than any movie out there
Yeah, but why would the Engineers want to destroy humans? If it was the Alphas who came to earth and told us about Moon223 how did the Engineers know about earth?
@@ppppugh7892 Maybe now that they have control of the weapons research moon they got clues to their origins, they don't like that they are grown from what they would think of as an inferior life form ... so they want to take us out. Maybe our existence offends their religious doctrines. Like the Voth from Star Trek Voyager who don't want to admit they came from Earth?
@@SardonicALLY I'm watching all the Voyager episodes again, I'll keep an eye out for that scenario. Yes, that would make sense re humans being inferior but that would be a bit silly of a superior being killing-off humans. That would be like us killing off all earlier hominids. Whoops! We've already done that!
It's a story that seems to be popping up in a lot of scifi, progenitors, creators. I enjoyed the newer movies, but definitely feel not enough thought went into them. There were several points that felt off in context to the whole movie timeline.
after seeing a spore impregnate people. and a team of idiots land on a planet without even wearing helmets; it all seems random and made up with no thought now.
i thought the opening scene of prometheus suggested that the engineer who drank the black goo was being outcast for some reason, and was allowed to sort of seppuku. he drank the black goo and should have completely disintegrated, but a single cell survived and formed the basis of life on the planet (i.e. primordial soup), which eventually resulted in humans. the engineer at the end of prometheus killed the crew because they're abominations spawned from this outcast, and the engineers had intended to annihilate them on earth before the contagion on the test planet stopped them.
Delphineaux Mustardwater actually that goo that he drank was the blood of he first real Decan. A xeno of life where as the sedan made from the black goo was a Decan of death
I love the Alien films (first 3) but the prequels are pure crap. You're right R. Scott removed all the mystery from the space jockey and the alien itself. All he did was replaced it with a silly engineer back story and turned David into a Dr. Frankenstein.
@@wreylax6068 No he said somebody else's opinion. Opinions we share are never our own. That's also your opinion, in my opinion they're utter boring crap the ruined the franchise and you need a negative IQ to find anything mentaly stimulating in those trainwrecks.
i think the alphas should have really elongated heads like aliens, not exactly that long but maybe they created engineers and then engineers killed their creator to experiment with alien weapon. this is similiar to David trying to kill his creators.
I love your story, and it shows how much fans love the Alien film universe to the point where they/we have to make up our own individual stories to get closure. Closure is the core problem with Prometheus and Covenant. It's time for stubborn fans to accept that fact that the ending of Covenant is the main problem. With our endless debating and theories, perhaps we have to admit to ourselves that Ridley Scott turned his best creation into a slasher movie with a cheesy slasher style ending we have seen in countless other movies.
I like it. I'm from the earlier Alien era and always thought the newer version was in odds and just made more confusion. This Fix can branch the storylines well. Everything starts from something.
It was you old fans of the "alien wohooo eats huamns wohooo" he was trying to please with Covenant instead of sticking with the philosophical premise of Prometheus. But nah, you wanted the same old crap from 40 years ago!
@@dansom3223 aliens never ate humans. They preferred cow. They needed us to survive and evolve to more advance sembiants and stay a top the universes food chain. That was left for the viewers to figure out and left opertunities for other series of future alian movies. We didn't think they go the wrong direction but that's the breaks. Plus we knew it was only a movie... For entertainment.
I would pay good money to see what a chest burster from Jar Jar would look like lol. Would the xenomorph have big droopy ears and speak in Ebonics nonstop?
John Case I'm sorry you try staying cool fighting an alien with a shoulder mounted laser cannon, spear, razor nets , blade discs, etc I'm pretty sure you would be sweating knowing something like that is prowling around the city
Nice work. I would argue that the problem with the prequels is trying to tie in the Engineers to Earth's past at all, and trying to explain the Alien's creation instead of it being the perfect organism, perfectly mysterious and perfectly alien. Prometheus and Covenant are basically putting the midichlorians in Alien. That being said, I like your ideas.
There's nothing wrong with giving something an origin the only problem is how you do it and Ridley is doing it wrong by trying to connect it to humanity, I like the idea that the Alien is a Bioweapon but I don't like the idea of its creators also creating humanity it takes away the foreign and extraterrestrial feel
@@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 the engineers could have made the humans but not the xenos. The xenos I think are an off shoot of a different species that were higher than the engineers. If that makes sense. The engineers tried to steal knowledge from them (Prometheus) and had a war destroying the original species but now the engineers have become unable to procreate without them. So are trying to recreate them/worship them as god's. However they can't as they are a lower level of species/knowledge and thus can only ever get to the retrograde version of the xenomorph.
The relationship between the Alphas and the Engineers reminds me of our own issue with AI today. By 2014, both physicist Stephen Hawking and business magnate Elon Musk had publicly voiced the opinion that superhuman artificial intelligence could provide incalculable benefits, but also can end the human race. That is they would see humans as a threat to the planet and a hindrance to expansion into the universe.
Really interesting idea regarding the Alpha's. I especially liked the explanation of how farther advanced they were than the Xenoengineers. This makes a lot of sense especially on the ship technology comparison.
Too bad Ridley didn't canvas other writers for the best possible outcome to properly link up eventually with the original Alien, I would have chosen you to complete the story.
I don't see a problem with the above "pitch" as it opens up many legit avenues to explore with the possibility of creating a fork that has little emphasis on gore, more about genetic manipulation and planet seeding.
Brent Cousins Prometheus was fine I thought. But covenant was ridiculous, instead of carrying on from what Prometheus built we got a stupid horror slasher film that brought nothing to the story and did not answer any of the questions from alien and Prometheus.
Jack Joanie you are right. I believe Ridley did it to satisfy his fans that lust for blood that whined like a bitch that Prometheus was lame cause it didn't coincide with the movies prior . The Engineer started before Aliens so it deserves to be told and you do see the space jockey early in the series. So most wanted to know more fill the void so to speak. I don't think that he went in the direction that his heart and mind wanted but you must appease the masses.
The reason the interior of the ship from Alien and Aliens looked so organic was because the xeno that burst out of the pilot’s chest started building a hive inside. There was a novel that focused on Newts parents searching of that craft, it’s a very good story.
Nope. Guess again. The Space Jockeys grow their ships using biomechanical technology. There was no hive in that ship nor in the "egg cave" its all Jockey tech. And jockey tech looks the way it does because Giger designed it.
BRILLIANT CONCEPT.....I hope those who have the future of the franchise in their hands..... incorporate your ideas.....fantastic job mate😉.....I'm onto part2 now
That's the impression I had always gotten. The aliens took over the ship and redecorated their environment to better suit their needs. We saw this in the queen's nest in Aliens.
That is a good point! But did the aliens make the space jockey fuse with the canon? It's a mix of both, the engineers used bio technology and then their experiment took over.
TheZXKUQYB When I watched all the movies over, that black goo seems to have been the key to it all seeing how it can alter DNA. If you watch AvP the predator shows her that exoskeleton of the Alien is quite resistant and the Acid blood just rolls off it like water. And if you pay close attention to the anatomy of the alien exoskeleton it looks just like the interior of the ships used by the engineers. The ship was grown/built organically, if think about it, the exoskeleton made a perfect hull for a ship, not sure how hot the aliens blood was but it looked like it could melt through predator/human known substance like a hot knife through butter. So I can see it being used for space travel able to resist any atmosphere.
Very nicely shared thank you. You also explain it very well AND have basically captured the essence of the Alien franchise by not only complimenting it but supplying closures as well as a natural wanting for more. There must be a way to get this story to Ridley. What governs this concept of yours is that it is plausible. You not only would FIX the series but propel it. Well done
I am new to this channel, and do not yet know the author; but I want leave my admiration and gratitude. This was such a satisfying and terrific story. I truly hope someone who makes movies pushes you and your idea to the front of the line. You will deserve credit for saving the entire franchise if they will only listen to you. For me, I will always see the franchise through your imagination.
Holding up 3 and Resurrection above Ridley’s movies is a nothing short of a crime.. I want more Ridley films after Awakening. Love what he’s doing. More universe building by the creator/director. Alien universe has become for interesting and much much bigger.
I was thinking maybe the "xenoengineer", as you put it, is a genetically modified version of the more normal engineers on the planet. Like they were bred and enhanced for military and/or spacefaring missions.
I always imaged that the xenomorphs originated from a planet that had a symbiotic sentient race with them. This large, powerful telepathic race, looked somewhat similar to the toy Crab Alien, but have more intelligent faces. They evolved to hatch xenomorphs without dying from it. Eventually, with their telepathy and xenomorphs, they started to conquer the know universe. Xenomorphs not hatched from themselves were weaponized to harvest entire races in a non sustaining rampage. Eventually, they ran into a race that goes beyond understanding, and that race wiped out the sentient race. Only the xenomorphs remained. So now, you find ancient xenomorph nests where they learn to harvest hosts in a sustainable manner and control the hive numbers, and ships with weaponized versions. Other races fail to use xenomorphs because they cannot use that telepathic connection and safely hatch their own. Engineers would be a major race trying to use the xenomorphs. This would also explain how xenomorphs just know how to break in and damage human buildings. They have a instinctual telepathic connection to their host species, and instinctively use it to find weaknesses and find more hosts.
I really hope this is where the story goes, as I think your theory is really interesting. Particularly the fusing of the alpha into the pilot role. This is somehow way more horrific and dark because it's as if his very DNA and possibly soul has become this machinoid and also to look at it another way become a slave of the ship, a fuel, a waste product as his life force fades the ship sucks out and uses his energy.
You have to have a wild imagination to even come up with the story line for these movies...just to even put the structure together and make it all fit and make some sort of sense is incredible.
That statement right there is why people believe scripture is the actual word of God. Imagine having two thousand years time pass and people think the Alien series isn't the work of fiction but true Tales of morality. Which by the way is the plotline for Galaxy Quest.
David Android personality concepts and overall emulation of "engineers" in Alien franchise prime inspiration source Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus (1 January 1818 release date of the first book) Quotes : 1 - “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.” 2 - “Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.” 3 - "If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!" 4 - "I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel..." 5 - “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.” 6 - "I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous." 7 - "The fallen angel becomes a malignant devil. Yet even that enemy of God and man had friends and associates in his desolation; I am alone." 8 - "The world was to me a secret which I desired to devine." 9 - "I looked upon the sea, it was to be my grave." 10 - "He was soon borne away by the waves and lost in darkness and distance." GOOD READS web page for more quotes about the Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus : www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4836639-frankenstein-or-the-modern-prometheus
Very nice work. I like it all except for the black goo being just a random bio-weapon found somewhere by the Alphas. If the Alphas are super-ancient masters of biological construction, I'd want the goo to originate with them, and maybe be corrupted into a bioweapon by the Xenoengineers.
I think the idea that they, too, found it creates mystery and intrigue (much like the derelict spacecraft originally did in Alien), as opposed to giving an answer.
*Excellent Theory !* This can explain why the creator people were very happy to see the space ship, before the David Robot dropped the nano-robot venom from the ship. The people did think that the *Super Beings were in the ship.* They did think that they came back. That is why they were cheering at first. The engineer race is much more complex that it was shown in the films so far. David knows them from his studies on the ship. He might want to wage war on them. This is why he created the alien species, because his adversary is very powerful and he despises their rationality of creating planets for fun.
The best potential screenplay for a movie about explaining the franchise I've ever heard. You should collaborate with that guy named Kroft that talks about the franchise. Great analysis about the subject.
Was expecting utter bullshit from the title alone, but after watching this its actually quite good. Still, they should just give Prometheus and Covenant the AvP treatment and declare it non-cannon.
Well yes, but... Stories can improve, be enriched, deepen ... but it takes time, lots of thought, and maybe some selective canonization, but Howitzer really does a nice job here. Worth strong consideration.
Great "Theory" if you can call it that - since it's, like you said, more your personal addition to the lore. This would work flawlessly though imo. That there would be need for some kind of third intelligent race to tie up the loose ends of the human-engineer relation was probably shared by many, especially after Covenant, but the way you thought of the engineers bein created by the "alphas" in the image of the humans fits soooo peeerfectly (ಥ_ಥ) ! Every since Prometheus - for me personally - it felt like it should be obvious that the engineers were too "heinous" to be mankinds humble creators who would welcome them on their homeworld and since the possible explanation for that issue - the engineer civil war - was not addressed in Covenant, it makes just so much more sense to have them be put in a more passive role concerning their capabilities to create (good) and their impact in the background. This also fits well with the "simple" and humble, not-war-waging- engineers on Paradise. The hostility towards(or rivalry between Engineers and) humans would also make perfect sense, considering that the Engineers(or maybe just the Xenoengineers) were probably frustrated and in vain after realising they were merely created as a replication of humans instead of the mighty "creators" they probably thought they were destined to be. This would finally give the Engineers as a whole a lot more debth because of their own struggle to find and explain their own origin and purpose ....It possibly drives(or drove) them even more than it did the humans, since the Engineers at some point knew for sure that they were "just creations" And there you have your multi-layered, deep antagonism between humans and Engineers! : The (modern) humans have known they were a product of evolution but deep inside craved to fit into a bigger picture, where on the other hand the (Xeno)Engineers are too obsessed with power to accept they are merely someone elses product. So in a way they are both pretty equally disappointed, mad and confused about it. - sad :( TL;DR: good boy (¬‿¬)
Agreed. I think what is becoming clear with our own civilization is that eventually science will give any member of an super advanced society the power and capability to destroy the whole lot, or at least set them back to the stone age on a regular basis ... you end up with a situation where only those that are moral, just, and respect life become capable of filling the role of creator, then back off and let the creation develop as mankind did.
This contradicts the beginning of Prmoetheus. The Engineers created us in an ancient ritulal where one Engineer decomposes them using the goo. This eventually evolved into humans.
@J. Mtz IN THE FIRST ALIEN, WHEN RIPLEY GET INTO HER SPACE SUIT, AND SHE IS IN HER UNDERWEAR, SHE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO ASS AT ALL!!! I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CUSHION....🤣
Reminds me of when i concocted a story to allow DCEU movies to be good and still give a sense to the grim depressing first installments by simply involving the Sandman being trapped in a bottle for one hundred years (exactly like in the first volume of Gaiman's saga, which in the DCEU would coincide with the time when Wonder Woman decided to stop fighting for mankind) and so being unable to make people dream and fulfill their ideal selves except for one individual in the whole galaxy every specific amount of time, thus explaining Batman's dream sequences, or Jor'El ideal of hope (never truly fulfilled because Clark never dreamt it by himself, therefore doing his father's bidding without really understanding), or Martin Luther King's speech "i have a dream", and probably something on Oa or a specific green lantern too etc. etc. Too bad the studios will never give a shit about ideas far better than the ones they think will be more "marketable"
Honestly, the outcome I want is that the Xeno's are their own species and David is just following their natural evolution without even realizing. I know a lot of people don't like AVP or some of the shared lore of Alien and Predator, but I personally prefer the lore from some of those books and comics than the movie retcons. Also, the idea that even when the engineers and David futz with Xeno genetics, it still ends up following it's own set evolutionary line adds a level of futility that I tend to enjoy in media.
even if its just a theory. It explains more sense than the alien movies themselves. The organic/synthetic look of aliens, the ships and enhanced engineers.
Thats good stuff. I especially like the part where the alphas grow their technology, wich means a xenomorph would be able to show up if someone tries to do what they did but messes up :)
I like the premise for the story sir! Excellent work! I think you are correct when you say the beans on Paradise Planet were created by the engineers cuz the script actually explains that in it and extended scene that was supposed to be included in the movie but I might just be crazy 2 😹 either way excellent story idea and it would fix a lot of problems
Hi there! I've always loved the Alien franchise and I really enjoyed this video as well as the way your mind works. There are so many unanswered questions throughout all the films. I enjoy your unique spin and outlook on the back story as well. I don't know what you do for a living but you should get together with Ridley Scott and share your insight! Great video my friend and another new subscriber here! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Brilliant! Except for the part about humans. Even we can tell that humans are not a result of natural evolution. I don't know how it happened, but the evolution theory is clearly just a place holder for an unknown science currently has no better explanation for, even though it's obviously mistaken. That's what it looks like when science doesn't really know. They use the best guess to fill the gap. This method has held us back many times, as these place holder theories get adopted as beliefs, inhibit further exploration, and disincentivise alternative theories. I think your story still works this way, and it provides potential for expansion. Cheers!
The problem I have is that when I first watched the original Alien film it gave off the vibe that the engineers found the xenomorphs nor created them. I like that idea much better. Because it's seperates the species in, one of them evolved like us to create machines capable of interstellar travel while the other like some sort of virus became a highly adaptable super killer that can kill whole species. Personally I'd like it if the series moved away from the origin of the species and left it to mystery. That being said I did enjoy the Neomorph, wouldn't mind a movie with one of those chasing people around a ship. Half the fun of the first 2 alien movies is finding out what it can do.
But why did the Alphas not create the engineers from themselves... just as humans created the robots without needing to "suddenly" discover a species similar to them in the universe? (Which is already something forced and inconsistent). It would be well for the Alphas to be the "gods" and creators of the Engineers in a long chain of intelligent life creation in the universe. But putting them to relegate the Engineers as secondary characters, and saving a "natural evolution of man"... at this point of mythology sounds absurd. In summary, the best would be: - The Alphas are the earliest known creators. - Engineers are the "farmers" of that created animated matter, responsible for planting them throughout the universe. - Humans are one of the descendants (species) that have most progressed in this "farming" of life.
Soren Alik because the Alpha's are far more advanced than the engineers or humans that they don't need another alien race to be their slaves or dogs. The Alphas can just simply create a few life forms and let them go about their daily lives. I mean think about it, if you had the power to create life and you were 10 times more advance then them, would you really need to use them since they aren't capable enough to understand your abilities?
You have a wealth of information that you graciously share with your subscribers and viewers I know it's second nature to you, but speaking for myself, I find it necessary to view it more than once. This is due to again the complicated wealth of information that I know it's second nature to you but not to everyone. You have unraveled a complicated tapestry and I expect her in the process of showing us thread by thread what the prequel alien series is about. Maybe it's based on supposition mixed with backs I don't know and frankly I don't care. You give us a linear history of so many things that were vague in the movies of the genre. Prometheus was a very enticing movie but it left a lot of unanswered questions that for those who find science fiction fascinating, especially when it smacks of realism. Thank you for your efforts and your work, it is much appreciate KEEP IT COMING!!!
After watching a few alien vs predator movies which were entertaining at most, i saw covenant and went instant full fanboy. I really can't see why covenant gets the hate it gets. Watched the other movies right after but yea still dont understand the level of hate it gets.
Hell yes, why not. They closed the latest Predator movie with a lame ass nano technology suit called the Predator Killer. Honestly I’d rather see the Engineers technology or the black destructive goo instead. Ahab was the name of the elder predator who exclusively hunted down The Engineers (Dark Horse comic)
At 9:46 looks like the Alphas made the Predators and the Engineers. They are wearing the shoulder mounted Predator weapon. These are some very intelligent beings you thought up.
I wonder what the live-action version of the ALPHAS alien beings might look like; If this character species does make an appearance in a movie someday?
Yeap and with Replicant Marines also coming after David. Remember Roy Batty in Bladerunner said I have seen things you wouldn't believe. What if actor Alexander Skarsgard played Roy Batty in Alien Awakening. Just a thought.
I like what Ridley Scott is doing with the Alien franchise. I just hope that he doesn't make David the creator of the Xenomorph because that just wouldn't make any sense.
@@jamesallenyz431 Why is Ridley so interested in developing Blomkamp's DNA-changing black-goo from District 9? Can't he think of his own plot devices? Why not give all the engineers adamantium black-panther suits if he's just blatantly plagiarizing whatever movies are currently popular?
I feel like they're afraid to explore more of the lore in the movies. I love the prequels (Prometheus moreso than covenant) but I feel like the prequels problems have stemmed from a fear of taking story risks that pay off the greater questions of the series. So maybe Awakening will answer these questions, but if not I feel like too much is left unsaid in favor of a dumber "Xenomoroh smash" action blockbuster rather than the Dark Horror Mystery which works so much better! as.
Scifi Explained Your story loses consistency between minutes 4 and 7. If humanity was to meet them on LV-226 when they ha the technology, but the moon was already an Engineer military installation. How can they be when you later state the Alphas created the Engineers using their own DNA and human DNA? In other words how could the engineers militarize LV-226 if they didn't exist before the humans landed there?
they did. The alphas created the engineers after returning from earth with human DNA. which they hybridized with their own in an attempt to make a perfect civilization. Little did the y know the engineers would later overrun this moon.
Alphas as clumsy an idea as it is, would at least explain why Engineers are so pissed off. They are stuck in a loop and know it. That's why they commit self-destruction.
These 2 characters weren't initially designed to be in the same universe. I know they said they were... But they weren't. Ridley Scott, Disney, 20th Century, the creators, writers etc are really smart, nuanced ppl. These holes would not exist if they were originally meant to exist in the universe. They (Disney) saw a marketing and movie expansion opportunity and took it. Simple Which is why there's holes and you trying to fix them 💯
It was AS interesting as it would be to watch another movie! This video is a must-see for all the fans! Thank you very much! Now I do not really care if Ridley Scott combines both sagas together or not. My mind is free at last! )))
I like the thought of the Alpha Species, but how could lv-223 come under Engineer control before humans arrived? The Alpha's created the Engineers, after the Humans arive, from human DNA.
@@master0184ify I'm not sure of specific years in this instance (as this is a fan propostion, and I dont think he gave years in the videos) but the timeline would be: 1) the Alphas arrive on Earth and take human DNA samples, telling humans to meet them on LV-223 later on, 2) the Alphas then use the human DNA to create the Engineers, 3) sometime later the Engineers splinter into 2 seperate factions.
Hi guys, I love the movies as they are, but I did some story telling of my own to see how I would tie the franchise together, and fix some stuff that I and many others didn't like. Its just a "for fun" story, only about 3 days of thinking here, no major theory, hope you enjoy! I will note that the Alphas aren't meant to be related to the Engineers or the humans, they would be ancient and Engineers and Humans don't happen til much later.
SciFi Explained i like this idea
Good so far I like the idea of the Alpha's, and Engineers but there is one big hole...
why would they make LV223 a bio hazard after instructing humans to go there when they had a chance. Space is ginormous, they could have dumped the goo literally anywhere else.
Maybe "the goo goes bad" when it is not maintained. The original Idea might have been to introduce humans (and engineers) to this bio tech but, after thousands of years, the Alpha's experienced a regime shift, the human and engineer project was scrapped and the goo was abandoned and allowed to go bad.
uncleball78 that makes sense
I like it.
Its a little convoluted.....but....yeah - i like this idea! I could certainly buy into it!
With how "messy" the prequels seem to have got, i suppose plot somersaults are inevitable at this point!
As i say, i like theory, but i find it hard to imagine how it could translate to the big screen....its quite complex!
I can't shake the feeling, that a movie just isn't enough time to fully explore alot of these ideas (same goes for Prometheus and Covenant too) Maybe....juuuuust maybe, Ridley Scott would be better off making an Alien TV series? I mean....im sure it'll never happen, but i just think he needs alot more than 2 hours to really explain himself properly. But hey - Awakening might be THE movie we've all been waiting for.......maybe.....
....I'm gonna watch part two now - keep it up SciFi Explained! =D
Is it just me or I want a 4 hour movie that explains everything and makes it all fit
A miniseries over 2 nights, presented in the style of Starship Troopers
It would not be able to undo the damage of Prometheus and covenant. One of the many errors of these films revolves around androids. In Alien the crew are shocked that Ash is an Android as are the audience. In Prometheus the prequel, David is known to the crew as an android, but have been exposed to that technology? There should not have been an android in the prequels which is a pity as the android was the only one who could act!
What many plebs dont understand is that those cavepaintings actually exists.
Try google also "ancient civilization connection pyramids" and look at google pics
I'd watch it......twice.
You're not the only one.
Prometheus was a good film in my opinion. The problem with Covenant was they seemingly dropped the Engineers and just made it a standard scifi horror type film. They should've explored the engineers we saw in Prometheus. I thought they was very interesting concept.
The fact that you enjoyed it and had a good experience does not formally make it a good film as an object. It's visually stunning but just formally bad, and contrived screenwriting.
@Anthony Emrick I read the script and it's a little better than the film. Still it's a mess from a crafts-perspective, that's true regardless of whether you view it as part of the alien franchise or not.
@Anthony Emrick I was not talking about the classic book/movie adaptation issues if that's what you were thinking about, "written materials" is not one lumped together category, a screenplay is a very specific thing. As a professional you don't read a script for the experience of reading, but with an analytical, dramaturgically focused eye, which is not about "lit crit" but about basic functionalities and narrative bones. It's more of an engineering type of read if you will.
I don't know where I stand on whether or not the Prometheus line should have been tied to alien or not, using the same universe for different things will always be somewhat ambivalent because there just formally already ARE basic connections. If there weren't and they did not matter, you could have made a completely separate line of movies. Maybe they should have.
But honestly for me it's not about expectation it just comes down to craft of storytelling and while these metaconsiderations are quite interesting, what bugs me about prometheus is not that, but the fact that it combines a host of basic crafts violations with having no sense of it's core self. It takes fundamental and radical revisions to fix something like that, it's not surface stuff, it's in the bones, and frankly about half the movie as it stands would be gone and entirely new fundamental ideas have to be invented in the place of what you cut if you went down the road towards some kind of healing.
It reminds me of certain students projects that I used to supervise at university, when they go through the whole process of writing a scientific paper but they forgot to truly formulate and validate the basic problem they're working on and make the right subsequent choices about what to focus on and what tools to use to do it. The result is meandering, superficial and looking for coherence and finding fragmented bits with potential here and there only to immediately run off looking for it in some other place that seems immediately inspiring. Not suprisingly such products have no meaningful conclusion, because they touched upon nothing and everything in the process.
Interestingly - just like Prometheus these projects tend to be not concrete and particular but drift off into some very meta and nebulous, philosophical searches for connection at a level they never earned acces to by building bottom-up.
There is no grounding there. It's a fascination with a heap of material and potential themes which is fine at a research stage of both project writing and art making, but at some point you have to dig deeper than that and start making relevant choices. If not, all that truly connects the pieces is your fasciation with the potential web of complex internconnections between them.
An professional artist friend of mine once said: The more concrete and particular you get, the more abstract or many-layered you can allow yourself to become.
Prometheus never does that. It hints at all this elaborate context, like a stoner at a freshman party, and at the same time if fails to even draw characters at the most basic level.
@Anthony Emrick I get what you are saying but I am not sure I follow the connection? Revision of surface detail kind of assumes a an existing coherent core and a defined core premise by which you navigate when making revisions. My point is that Prometheus does not effectively establish that. I don't see the problems this movie has as revision stage issues, but more as fundamental flaws, that result in a pervasive lack of direction and part/whole coherence.
The script was better before Lindleof got a hold of it. Scott needs to stop second guessing himself and give us as his audience better credit .
I bet Ridley Scott watches these confused af 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Then he knows how filmgoers feel when they watch his latest Alien films lol
Just send this to his social media
I'm sure he is aware of it.
The ones above the Alphas - The Chads.
And above them, the Gigachads.
I wonder where Tyrone fits in here.
Lol
@@Furzkampfbomber I suspect that the Tyrones have dreadlocks and invisibility in the dark.
Oh wait...
@@fredriks5090 And then they vanish after the act. Or start to blow cities up. Oh, wait...
Call me crazy, but I think the pre-stories are excellent. Much more interesting then a pure horror movie.
Jude Conig it’s more of a straight sci-fi story not fully horror. It’s great if you like historical mythology and occult literature like the Book of Enoch or manly P halls secret teachings of the ages .
You crazy
No its pro,cov,???,alien,aliens.
??? Is if he makes the next vomit fest in the trilogy of bad movie making.
Than*
And here is the final version
David Android personality concepts and overall emulation of "engineers" in Alien franchise prime inspiration source
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus (1 January 1818 release date of the first book)
Quotes :
1 - “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.”
2 - “Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.”
3 - "If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!"
4 - "I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel..."
5 - “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”
6 - "I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous."
7 - "The fallen angel becomes a malignant devil. Yet even that enemy of God and man had friends and associates in his desolation; I am alone."
8 - "The world was to me a secret which I desired to devine."
9 - "I looked upon the sea, it was to be my grave."
10 - "He was soon borne away by the waves and lost in darkness and distance."
GOOD READS web page for more quotes about the Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus :
www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4836639-frankenstein-or-the-modern-prometheus
*ridley Scott wants to know your location*
That's because You haven't watched kroft talks about..
@Joel Smith Would you say a sexual tyrannosaurus?
David Android personality concepts and overall emulation of "engineers" in Alien franchise prime inspiration source
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus (1 January 1818 release date of the first book)
Quotes :
1 - “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.”
2 - “Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.”
3 - "If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!"
4 - "I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel..."
5 - “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”
6 - "I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous."
7 - "The fallen angel becomes a malignant devil. Yet even that enemy of God and man had friends and associates in his desolation; I am alone."
8 - "The world was to me a secret which I desired to devine."
9 - "I looked upon the sea, it was to be my grave."
10 - "He was soon borne away by the waves and lost in darkness and distance."
GOOD READS web page for more quotes about the Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus :
www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4836639-frankenstein-or-the-modern-prometheus
Organically grown technology. Interesting concept.
Species 8472 in star trek did it in the 90s
OLED displays are an example of that concept.
@ That's really cool! This technology is going to save many lives! 😀
@ Science should benefit all mankind! 😞
You should check out the Wraith from Stargate Atlantis. They’re similar
Let us keep in mind Giger here. An artist. Art is open to interpretation. These movies, with Giger at the core, are left open for everyone to create their own viewpoint. We as the viewers are the big picture itself. It is a free for all. There are theories. There are speculations. There are unanswered questions. But that is the beauty of it. You can make your own decision on what is factual. It will make sense to you because that is the way art should be.
Cool concept. Your idea of the Alphas growing the things they need and use organically instead of building them like the engineers suggests maybe they developed the ability to manipulate energy and matter at a high level to serve their purpose which is knocking on the door of being godlike
Ok Mathieu
Yes cool concept but who cares it’s all made up and he made up a whole thing that has no existing elements that he’s connecting. He just said I’m gonna make a whole new story. Yk maybe he joins the writers and this becomes true and tha would be very cool but he isn’t and that hasn’t happened at least yet
Honestly, I would love to see a movie on the Alphas at and the Xeno Engineers. I am over the Alien films. Alien and Aliens were great films. Let them be cannon and let's move on with the Alphas and the Xeno Engineers.
The problem is that this was not originally Ridley Scott's story. It was Dan O'Bannon's. When the original Alien movie was done, Scott made a huge amount of changes to it. It is like he wants to make a whole series of movies to change the original to make it completely his story. Unfortunately, he can't, because the original movie is already done.
You obviously don't listen or have trouble comprehending.
These movies are prequels to the 1979 Alien movie.
Now go back to sleep.
I realize that. I'm just saying that Scott is using the prequels to change the inferences that were in the original movie. Many people feel, including the narrator for Scifi Explained, the overall story of the has become disjointed enough to need fixing. I'm saying the reason Scott is doing this is because he is still trying to take ownership of the original movie that was O'Bannon's.
They were more like co-creators. Scott created the tone, and the atmosphere, while O'Bannon created the story. Besides, it's an argument that only stupid people make because they don't know the facts, just like blaming a director for the writing.
will i like this story better, ridley scott can go to where ever he wants
atmosphere?? ridley had a HUGE part in the first alien movie and worked WITH Dan O'Bannon, he didnt work on top of the story but they made it together and now ridley is the one continuing the work. ridley has the same claim to the franchise as Dan and he deserves his place
I like how this would play with David. Like, his whole thing is being superior to humans and being able to create life, but then imagine his shock and anger when he learns not only is there another species superior to him, but they also already created what he has a long time before him. Would be interesting
I like this. This unfucks the whole universe of alien. Too bad its just a fan story.
"unfucks"
TRUTH
if we have a high demand we can make ridley or the other creators to try this theory out if they are still unsure of their own. Thats how some movies today have their outcome: due to their fans
Fan storie or not this 15 minutes gave me a vision of a whole 3 or 4 hour movie. I really enjoyed it. It's like reading a book with no pictures or very little pictures and leaves the rest to your imagination which is far greater than any movie out there
Elegantly put lol, love it.
They need to hire you as the main story concept writer. I mean that.
Upvote.
ABSOLUTELY
Yeah, but why would the Engineers want to destroy humans? If it was the Alphas who came to earth and told us about Moon223 how did the Engineers know about earth?
Fayenwolf true cuz the people in charge now have no idea what their doing
@@ppppugh7892 Maybe now that they have control of the weapons research moon they got clues to their origins, they don't like that they are grown from what they would think of as an inferior life form ... so they want to take us out. Maybe our existence offends their religious doctrines. Like the Voth from Star Trek Voyager who don't want to admit they came from Earth?
@@SardonicALLY I'm watching all the Voyager episodes again, I'll keep an eye out for that scenario. Yes, that would make sense re humans being inferior but that would be a bit silly of a superior being killing-off humans. That would be like us killing off all earlier hominids. Whoops! We've already done that!
It's a story that seems to be popping up in a lot of scifi, progenitors, creators. I enjoyed the newer movies, but definitely feel not enough thought went into them. There were several points that felt off in context to the whole movie timeline.
after seeing a spore impregnate people. and a team of idiots land on a planet without even wearing helmets; it all seems random and made up with no thought now.
i thought the opening scene of prometheus suggested that the engineer who drank the black goo was being outcast for some reason, and was allowed to sort of seppuku. he drank the black goo and should have completely disintegrated, but a single cell survived and formed the basis of life on the planet (i.e. primordial soup), which eventually resulted in humans. the engineer at the end of prometheus killed the crew because they're abominations spawned from this outcast, and the engineers had intended to annihilate them on earth before the contagion on the test planet stopped them.
Delphineaux Mustardwater actually that goo that he drank was the blood of he first real Decan. A xeno of life where as the sedan made from the black goo was a Decan of death
The scene in the beginning portrayed Lucifer aka Prometheus... It wasn't an outcast.
Still a better scrip than the original one.
@@addieuue6919 no
It wasn't black-goo that the engineer consume, but it is gold-gold-goo from the first deacon
I love the Alien films (first 3) but the prequels are pure crap. You're right R. Scott removed all the mystery from the space jockey and the alien itself. All he did was replaced it with a silly engineer back story and turned David into a Dr. Frankenstein.
Thats your opinion
In my opinion prequels are great along with the first 3
@@wreylax6068 No he said somebody else's opinion. Opinions we share are never our own.
That's also your opinion, in my opinion they're utter boring crap the ruined the franchise and you need a negative IQ to find anything mentaly stimulating in those trainwrecks.
I agree, it's like a silly comic book now
Exactly what I was thinking. Taking it from the engineer's to an insane android, that created a weapon to destroy the humans
This is why the AvP franchise is better than Scott's prequels
i think the alphas should have really elongated heads like aliens, not exactly that long but maybe they created engineers and then engineers killed their creator to experiment with alien weapon. this is similiar to David trying to kill his creators.
I love your story, and it shows how much fans love the Alien film universe to the point where they/we have to make up our own individual stories to get closure. Closure is the core problem with Prometheus and Covenant. It's time for stubborn fans to accept that fact that the ending of Covenant is the main problem. With our endless debating and theories, perhaps we have to admit to ourselves that Ridley Scott turned his best creation into a slasher movie with a cheesy slasher style ending we have seen in countless other movies.
I like it. I'm from the earlier Alien era and always thought the newer version was in odds and just made more confusion. This Fix can branch the storylines well. Everything starts from something.
It was you old fans of the "alien wohooo eats huamns wohooo" he was trying to please with Covenant instead of sticking with the philosophical premise of Prometheus. But nah, you wanted the same old crap from 40 years ago!
@@dansom3223 aliens never ate humans. They preferred cow. They needed us to survive and evolve to more advance sembiants and stay a top the universes food chain. That was left for the viewers to figure out and left opertunities for other series of future alian movies. We didn't think they go the wrong direction but that's the breaks. Plus we knew it was only a movie... For entertainment.
he will probably put jar jar binks in the next movie, icing on the cake
:P
Jeremiah Johnson I hope not. I HATED that obnoxious character!
Man... Can't imagine how awsome to see JarJar get chestbursted and brutally get eaten by xenomorphs...
Jeremiah Johnson haha 😂
I would pay good money to see what a chest burster from Jar Jar would look like lol. Would the xenomorph have big droopy ears and speak in Ebonics nonstop?
Make a video explaining why Danny Glover was sweaty from start to finish in Predator 2. It was one of those plot holes that was never talk about.
John Case its explained in the movie that there is a heat wave rolling through LA. Which is why the predator is there. They obtain energy from heat
Noah Baron Spot on!
John Case I'm sorry you try staying cool fighting an alien with a shoulder mounted laser cannon, spear, razor nets , blade discs, etc I'm pretty sure you would be sweating knowing something like that is prowling around the city
Glover was often hydrating with huge amounts of mint flavoured mineral waters.........dont you read ??
I want to know if Bill Paxton is secretly the father of Marie Conchita Alonsos kid, saving her from certain death from the Predator in the subway
Mate. You need to push this idea to the company.
Nice work. I would argue that the problem with the prequels is trying to tie in the Engineers to Earth's past at all, and trying to explain the Alien's creation instead of it being the perfect organism, perfectly mysterious and perfectly alien. Prometheus and Covenant are basically putting the midichlorians in Alien. That being said, I like your ideas.
Thanks!
There's nothing wrong with giving something an origin the only problem is how you do it and Ridley is doing it wrong by trying to connect it to humanity, I like the idea that the Alien is a Bioweapon but I don't like the idea of its creators also creating humanity it takes away the foreign and extraterrestrial feel
@@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 the engineers could have made the humans but not the xenos. The xenos I think are an off shoot of a different species that were higher than the engineers. If that makes sense. The engineers tried to steal knowledge from them (Prometheus) and had a war destroying the original species but now the engineers have become unable to procreate without them. So are trying to recreate them/worship them as god's. However they can't as they are a lower level of species/knowledge and thus can only ever get to the retrograde version of the xenomorph.
This might be one of the greatest things in UA-cam right now
The relationship between the Alphas and the Engineers reminds me of our own issue with AI today. By 2014, both physicist Stephen Hawking and business magnate Elon Musk had publicly voiced the opinion that superhuman artificial intelligence could provide incalculable benefits, but also can end the human race. That is they would see humans as a threat to the planet and a hindrance to expansion into the universe.
Really interesting idea regarding the Alpha's. I especially liked the explanation of how farther advanced they were than the Xenoengineers. This makes a lot of sense especially on the ship technology comparison.
Too bad Ridley didn't canvas other writers for the best possible outcome to properly link up eventually with the original Alien, I would have chosen you to complete the story.
Brent Cousins here here.
Erik Lerström. You got a better idea?
I don't see a problem with the above "pitch" as it opens up many legit avenues to explore with the possibility of creating a fork that has little emphasis on gore, more about genetic manipulation and planet seeding.
Brent Cousins Prometheus was fine I thought. But covenant was ridiculous, instead of carrying on from what Prometheus built we got a stupid horror slasher film that brought nothing to the story and did not answer any of the questions from alien and Prometheus.
Jack Joanie you are right. I believe Ridley did it to satisfy his fans that lust for blood that whined like a bitch that Prometheus was lame cause it didn't coincide with the movies prior . The Engineer started before Aliens so it deserves to be told and you do see the space jockey early in the series. So most wanted to know more fill the void so to speak. I don't think that he went in the direction that his heart and mind wanted but you must appease the masses.
And how does their organic lightspeed space engines work? High powered flatulence?
HAHAHAHA LMAO
That’s me after Taco Bell. That shit can have me flying to Australia 🤣
The reason the interior of the ship from Alien and Aliens looked so organic was because the xeno that burst out of the pilot’s chest started building a hive inside. There was a novel that focused on Newts parents searching of that craft, it’s a very good story.
Nope. Guess again. The Space Jockeys grow their ships using biomechanical technology. There was no hive in that ship nor in the "egg cave" its all Jockey tech. And jockey tech looks the way it does because Giger designed it.
BRILLIANT CONCEPT.....I hope those who have the future of the franchise in their hands..... incorporate your ideas.....fantastic job mate😉.....I'm onto part2 now
thanks! enjoy!
i've seen all of the alien movies and i'm still a bit uncertain as to exactly why people hate the prequels so much. i enjoyed them.
Alpha looks like nicholas Cage
How do we know the organic parts of the derelict isnt the remains of xenomorph hive structure?
Yeah, I thought so too
That's the impression I had always gotten. The aliens took over the ship and redecorated their environment to better suit their needs. We saw this in the queen's nest in Aliens.
That is a good point! But did the aliens make the space jockey fuse with the canon? It's a mix of both, the engineers used bio technology and then their experiment took over.
TheZXKUQYB When I watched all the movies over, that black goo seems to have been the key to it all seeing how it can alter DNA. If you watch AvP the predator shows her that exoskeleton of the Alien is quite resistant and the Acid blood just rolls off it like water. And if you pay close attention to the anatomy of the alien exoskeleton it looks just like the interior of the ships used by the engineers. The ship was grown/built organically, if think about it, the exoskeleton made a perfect hull for a ship, not sure how hot the aliens blood was but it looked like it could melt through predator/human known substance like a hot knife through butter. So I can see it being used for space travel able to resist any atmosphere.
Tyrone Kingsland alien blood is acidic not hit
Very nicely shared thank you. You also explain it very well AND have basically captured the essence of the Alien franchise by not only complimenting it but supplying closures as well as a natural wanting for more. There must be a way to get this story to Ridley. What governs this concept of yours is that it is plausible. You not only would FIX the series but propel it. Well done
I am new to this channel, and do not yet know the author; but I want leave my admiration and gratitude. This was such a satisfying and terrific story. I truly hope someone who makes movies pushes you and your idea to the front of the line. You will deserve credit for saving the entire franchise if they will only listen to you. For me, I will always see the franchise through your imagination.
Thanks! Glad you liked the video!!
Holding up 3 and Resurrection above Ridley’s movies is a nothing short of a crime.. I want more Ridley films after Awakening. Love what he’s doing. More universe building by the creator/director. Alien universe has become for interesting and much much bigger.
someone needs to hire this guy for the new movies in aliens movies lol just made the whole story work with adding alot of spice and good storyline
You can't fix bad writing with even worse writing. Hiring hacks like this is why today's movies and remakes are trash.
I was thinking maybe the "xenoengineer", as you put it, is a genetically modified version of the more normal engineers on the planet. Like they were bred and enhanced for military and/or spacefaring missions.
Yeah...after david and shaw left the planet...xenoengineer was born hehehe
I always imaged that the xenomorphs originated from a planet that had a symbiotic sentient race with them. This large, powerful telepathic race, looked somewhat similar to the toy Crab Alien, but have more intelligent faces. They evolved to hatch xenomorphs without dying from it. Eventually, with their telepathy and xenomorphs, they started to conquer the know universe. Xenomorphs not hatched from themselves were weaponized to harvest entire races in a non sustaining rampage. Eventually, they ran into a race that goes beyond understanding, and that race wiped out the sentient race. Only the xenomorphs remained. So now, you find ancient xenomorph nests where they learn to harvest hosts in a sustainable manner and control the hive numbers, and ships with weaponized versions. Other races fail to use xenomorphs because they cannot use that telepathic connection and safely hatch their own. Engineers would be a major race trying to use the xenomorphs.
This would also explain how xenomorphs just know how to break in and damage human buildings. They have a instinctual telepathic connection to their host species, and instinctively use it to find weaknesses and find more hosts.
You are very much on the right lines with Dan O'Bannon's original origin for the xenomorph. It's just a little weirder than that ... :-)
Amazing concept. If only they'd option it from you and develop it into a script, Alien would be back on track! Thanks for sharing.
I really hope this is where the story goes, as I think your theory is really interesting. Particularly the fusing of the alpha into the pilot role. This is somehow way more horrific and dark because it's as if his very DNA and possibly soul has become this machinoid and also to look at it another way become a slave of the ship, a fuel, a waste product as his life force fades the ship sucks out and uses his energy.
You have to have a wild imagination to even come up with the story line for these movies...just to even put the structure together and make it all fit and make some sort of sense is incredible.
That statement right there is why people believe scripture is the actual word of God. Imagine having two thousand years time pass and people think the Alien series isn't the work of fiction but true Tales of morality.
Which by the way is the plotline for Galaxy Quest.
The Alphas were created by Omegas. The Omegas were created by Dormammu.
Lol
And the Doc has come to bargain
David Android personality concepts and overall emulation of "engineers" in Alien franchise prime inspiration source
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus (1 January 1818 release date of the first book)
Quotes :
1 - “Beware; for I am fearless, and therefore powerful.”
2 - “Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.”
3 - "If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear!"
4 - "I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel..."
5 - “Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.”
6 - "I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous."
7 - "The fallen angel becomes a malignant devil. Yet even that enemy of God and man had friends and associates in his desolation; I am alone."
8 - "The world was to me a secret which I desired to devine."
9 - "I looked upon the sea, it was to be my grave."
10 - "He was soon borne away by the waves and lost in darkness and distance."
GOOD READS web page for more quotes about the Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus :
www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/4836639-frankenstein-or-the-modern-prometheus
Alphas where created by delta force.
and Delta Force was created by GI Joe
Very nice work. I like it all except for the black goo being just a random bio-weapon found somewhere by the Alphas. If the Alphas are super-ancient masters of biological construction, I'd want the goo to originate with them, and maybe be corrupted into a bioweapon by the Xenoengineers.
I think the idea that they, too, found it creates mystery and intrigue (much like the derelict spacecraft originally did in Alien), as opposed to giving an answer.
*Excellent Theory !* This can explain why the creator people were very happy to see the space ship, before the David Robot dropped the nano-robot venom from the ship.
The people did think that the *Super Beings were in the ship.* They did think that they came back. That is why they were cheering at first.
The engineer race is much more complex that it was shown in the films so far. David knows them from his studies on the ship. He might want to wage war on them. This is why he created the alien species, because his adversary is very powerful and he despises their rationality of creating planets for fun.
The best potential screenplay for a movie about explaining the franchise I've ever heard. You should collaborate with that guy named Kroft that talks about the franchise. Great analysis about the subject.
Growing a ship and armor using biotech? awesome!
Was expecting utter bullshit from the title alone, but after watching this its actually quite good.
Still, they should just give Prometheus and Covenant the AvP treatment and declare it non-cannon.
Thank you for coming up with a viable idea! I would love to see this idea onscreen!
NOTHING can fix it now, after Ridley screwed up the Alien origin... sorry.. I like these theories but Ridley's writers are not that smart...
Well yes, but... Stories can improve, be enriched, deepen ... but it takes time, lots of thought, and maybe some selective canonization, but Howitzer really does a nice job here. Worth strong consideration.
Wow you are so cool and witty and smart. I bet everything clapped after you wrote that. Quick question what movies have you written?
Great "Theory" if you can call it that - since it's, like you said, more your personal addition to the lore.
This would work flawlessly though imo. That there would be need for some kind of third intelligent race to tie up the loose ends of the human-engineer relation was probably shared by many, especially after Covenant, but the way you thought of the engineers bein created by the "alphas" in the image of the humans fits soooo peeerfectly (ಥ_ಥ) ! Every since Prometheus - for me personally - it felt like it should be obvious that the engineers were too "heinous" to be mankinds humble creators who would welcome them on their homeworld and since the possible explanation for that issue - the engineer civil war - was not addressed in Covenant, it makes just so much more sense to have them be put in a more passive role concerning their capabilities to create (good) and their impact in the background. This also fits well with the "simple" and humble, not-war-waging- engineers on Paradise. The hostility towards(or rivalry between Engineers and) humans would also make perfect sense, considering that the Engineers(or maybe just the Xenoengineers) were probably frustrated and in vain after realising they were merely created as a replication of humans instead of the mighty "creators" they probably thought they were destined to be.
This would finally give the Engineers as a whole a lot more debth because of their own struggle to find and explain their own origin and purpose ....It possibly drives(or drove) them even more than it did the humans, since the Engineers at some point knew for sure that they were "just creations"
And there you have your multi-layered, deep antagonism between humans and Engineers! :
The (modern) humans have known they were a product of evolution but deep inside craved to fit into a bigger picture, where on the other hand the (Xeno)Engineers are too obsessed with power to accept they are merely someone elses product.
So in a way they are both pretty equally disappointed, mad and confused about it. - sad :(
TL;DR: good boy (¬‿¬)
Agreed. I think what is becoming clear with our own civilization is that eventually science will give any member of an super advanced society the power and capability to destroy the whole lot, or at least set them back to the stone age on a regular basis ... you end up with a situation where only those that are moral, just, and respect life become capable of filling the role of creator, then back off and let the creation develop as mankind did.
This contradicts the beginning of Prmoetheus. The Engineers created us in an ancient ritulal where one Engineer decomposes them using the goo. This eventually evolved into humans.
I thought I was just too depressing killing all those engineer's and the beautifully gorgeous Elizabeth she was a goddess
@J. Mtz Ya think...Agreed to disagree.
@J. Mtz SORRY, NO WAY JOSE
@J. Mtz NOPE, ALL WEEK LONG...👎
@J. Mtz IN THE FIRST ALIEN, WHEN RIPLEY GET INTO HER SPACE SUIT, AND SHE IS IN HER UNDERWEAR, SHE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO ASS AT ALL!!!
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CUSHION....🤣
@J. Mtz Give Shaw a break, she only had a XENOMORPH cut out of her stomach!!!!!
Reminds me of when i concocted a story to allow DCEU movies to be good and still give a sense to the grim depressing first installments by simply involving the Sandman being trapped in a bottle for one hundred years (exactly like in the first volume of Gaiman's saga, which in the DCEU would coincide with the time when Wonder Woman decided to stop fighting for mankind) and so being unable to make people dream and fulfill their ideal selves except for one individual in the whole galaxy every specific amount of time, thus explaining Batman's dream sequences, or Jor'El ideal of hope (never truly fulfilled because Clark never dreamt it by himself, therefore doing his father's bidding without really understanding), or Martin Luther King's speech "i have a dream", and probably something on Oa or a specific green lantern too etc. etc.
Too bad the studios will never give a shit about ideas far better than the ones they think will be more "marketable"
Go send an email to every warner bros executive right now!!!
Honestly, the outcome I want is that the Xeno's are their own species and David is just following their natural evolution without even realizing. I know a lot of people don't like AVP or some of the shared lore of Alien and Predator, but I personally prefer the lore from some of those books and comics than the movie retcons. Also, the idea that even when the engineers and David futz with Xeno genetics, it still ends up following it's own set evolutionary line adds a level of futility that I tend to enjoy in media.
Love this theory! I hope Ridley Scott sees this!
MineTurtle Animations no, just don't...
Is it my imagination or the "alpha suit" has the laser gun similar to Predator??? 🤔🤔
nope, it does. That pic is a concept art of the engineers for prometheus.
Tun Ba Kyu
Yeah I saw it and got excited
Tun Ba Kyu *plasma caster
Thought the same...
even if its just a theory. It explains more sense than the alien movies themselves. The organic/synthetic look of aliens, the ships and enhanced engineers.
Someone give this man a job.
This is his job. LOL
You need to watch kroft talks about..
J Moua he has a job
Trully that this man need a real job
@@chienle8038 he probably make more money with his yt channel than some people who goes out doing a 'real job'.
Thats good stuff.
I especially like the part where the alphas grow their technology, wich means a xenomorph would be able to show up if someone tries to do what they did but messes up :)
Coming back to this from the dark descent video. Loved this take, worth a bump
You're too good for The Alien Universe or Ridley Scott. This is amazing.
This franchise leaves so many unanswered questions, i want more engineer and alternate races storylines in the next movies
I like the premise for the story sir! Excellent work! I think you are correct when you say the beans on Paradise Planet were created by the engineers cuz the script actually explains that in it and extended scene that was supposed to be included in the movie but I might just be crazy 2 😹 either way excellent story idea and it would fix a lot of problems
Hi there! I've always loved the Alien franchise and I really enjoyed this video as well as the way your mind works. There are so many unanswered questions throughout all the films. I enjoy your unique spin and outlook on the back story as well. I don't know what you do for a living but you should get together with Ridley Scott and share your insight! Great video my friend and another new subscriber here! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Asgardians built them all.
Brilliant!
Except for the part about humans.
Even we can tell that humans are not a result of natural evolution. I don't know how it happened, but the evolution theory is clearly just a place holder for an unknown science currently has no better explanation for, even though it's obviously mistaken.
That's what it looks like when science doesn't really know. They use the best guess to fill the gap. This method has held us back many times, as these place holder theories get adopted as beliefs, inhibit further exploration, and disincentivise alternative theories.
I think your story still works this way, and it provides potential for expansion.
Cheers!
The problem I have is that when I first watched the original Alien film it gave off the vibe that the engineers found the xenomorphs nor created them. I like that idea much better. Because it's seperates the species in, one of them evolved like us to create machines capable of interstellar travel while the other like some sort of virus became a highly adaptable super killer that can kill whole species. Personally I'd like it if the series moved away from the origin of the species and left it to mystery. That being said I did enjoy the Neomorph, wouldn't mind a movie with one of those chasing people around a ship. Half the fun of the first 2 alien movies is finding out what it can do.
I feel like these prequels don't answer questions but make questions
They answer questions that we didn't want answered and ask another two their place
I agree with you
That's what they were supposed to do.
Wow!! I really enjoyed that..this is exactly the way covenant should’ve been.
One question - if engineers were created using human DNA then why are they more advanced than humans?
Because they were created, and modified by the alphas. They may have been left with some tech as well after the Alphas made them and left.
But why did the Alphas not create the engineers from themselves... just as humans created the robots without needing to "suddenly" discover a species similar to them in the universe? (Which is already something forced and inconsistent).
It would be well for the Alphas to be the "gods" and creators of the Engineers in a long chain of intelligent life creation in the universe.
But putting them to relegate the Engineers as secondary characters, and saving a "natural evolution of man"... at this point of mythology sounds absurd.
In summary, the best would be:
- The Alphas are the earliest known creators.
- Engineers are the "farmers" of that created animated matter, responsible for planting them throughout the universe.
- Humans are one of the descendants (species) that have most progressed in this "farming" of life.
Soren Alik because the Alpha's are far more advanced than the engineers or humans that they don't need another alien race to be their slaves or dogs. The Alphas can just simply create a few life forms and let them go about their daily lives. I mean think about it, if you had the power to create life and you were 10 times more advance then them, would you really need to use them since they aren't capable enough to understand your abilities?
nepotiums time...a much older race bruh
Isis are the most oldest creature on earth that's why they have goatie, still they are dumb
Ridley only made the prequels to pay for a new TV I reckon.
You have a wealth of information that you graciously share with your subscribers and viewers I know it's second nature to you, but speaking for myself, I find it necessary to view it more than once. This is due to again the complicated wealth of information that I know it's second nature to you but not to everyone. You have unraveled a complicated tapestry and I expect her in the process of showing us thread by thread what the prequel alien series is about. Maybe it's based on supposition mixed with backs I don't know and frankly I don't care. You give us a linear history of so many things that were vague in the movies of the genre. Prometheus was a very enticing movie but it left a lot of unanswered questions that for those who find science fiction fascinating, especially when it smacks of realism. Thank you for your efforts and your work, it is much appreciate KEEP IT COMING!!!
After watching a few alien vs predator movies which were entertaining at most, i saw covenant and went instant full fanboy. I really can't see why covenant gets the hate it gets. Watched the other movies right after but yea still dont understand the level of hate it gets.
It is hated because viewer's expected answers about engineers and not some alien killing everyone as that was the USP of Prometheus
The app movies were not so good and got worse
9:46 engineer with a predator shoulder cannon????
@@yuutonosuri772 what???
@@mattyice2099 ditto 🙄👍
I got a stroke reading that nonsense
SniperSd Sid The aliens and predators are in different universes. AVP doesn’t count.
Hell yes, why not. They closed the latest Predator movie with a lame ass nano technology suit called the Predator Killer. Honestly I’d rather see the Engineers technology or the black destructive goo instead.
Ahab was the name of the elder predator who exclusively hunted down The Engineers (Dark Horse comic)
Maybe predators are the Alphas wo want kill the Xenos created by their creations i e. engineers.
At 9:46 looks like the Alphas made the Predators and the Engineers. They are wearing the shoulder mounted Predator weapon. These are some very intelligent beings you thought up.
I wonder what the live-action version of the ALPHAS alien beings might look like; If this character species does make an appearance in a movie someday?
I have the perfect plot repair, " and it was all a dream". The end.
Yes. The xenomorph is in the shower.....
A dream within a dream...
That was so absolutely lovely. It brought back the wonder of the Space Jockey of another level. I felt it when I saw that with my Dad back in 79 😍🥺
The next movie has to be engineers versus xenomorphs which David is in command of as the engineers seek retribution for the genocide David committed
Yeap and with Replicant Marines also coming after David. Remember Roy Batty in Bladerunner said I have seen things you wouldn't believe. What if actor Alexander Skarsgard played Roy Batty in Alien Awakening. Just a thought.
@Kgothatso Nthite it may need 2 movies. But it could be epic.
I like what Ridley Scott is doing with the Alien franchise. I just hope that he doesn't make David the creator of the Xenomorph because that just wouldn't make any sense.
It did, he furthered the development of ze goo. It's explained on because science and by watching the films
@@jamesallenyz431 Why is Ridley so interested in developing Blomkamp's DNA-changing black-goo from District 9? Can't he think of his own plot devices? Why not give all the engineers adamantium black-panther suits if he's just blatantly plagiarizing whatever movies are currently popular?
Very cool way to look at the franchise I hope they take your idea to heart
It says in the script that the original fossilised engineer is 13’ without his suit, and 15’ with his suit.
I feel like they're afraid to explore more of the lore in the movies. I love the prequels (Prometheus moreso than covenant) but I feel like the prequels problems have stemmed from a fear of taking story risks that pay off the greater questions of the series. So maybe Awakening will answer these questions, but if not I feel like too much is left unsaid in favor of a dumber "Xenomoroh smash" action blockbuster rather than the Dark Horror Mystery which works so much better! as.
This is genuinely amazing!!! The developers need to hire you asap. Keep up the good work
Very thorough theory.
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Your story loses consistency between minutes 4 and 7. If humanity was to meet them on LV-226 when they ha the technology, but the moon was already an Engineer military installation. How can they be when you later state the Alphas created the Engineers using their own DNA and human DNA? In other words how could the engineers militarize LV-226 if they didn't exist before the humans landed there?
they did. The alphas created the engineers after returning from earth with human DNA. which they hybridized with their own in an attempt to make a perfect civilization. Little did the y know the engineers would later overrun this moon.
Alphas as clumsy an idea as it is, would at least explain why Engineers are so pissed off. They are stuck in a loop and know it. That's why they commit self-destruction.
These 2 characters weren't initially designed to be in the same universe. I know they said they were... But they weren't.
Ridley Scott, Disney, 20th Century, the creators, writers etc are really smart, nuanced ppl. These holes would not exist if they were originally meant to exist in the universe. They (Disney) saw a marketing and movie expansion opportunity and took it. Simple
Which is why there's holes and you trying to fix them 💯
nice!! very solid video
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Such a contribution hahaha
Me too
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I felt story was unfinished but you cleared my doubts man. Good work
There's a video out there supposedly about real alien beings and one of them sounds very similar to your Alphas.
I enjoyed this video, are you going to tie the Predator race into your storyline?
He did.
It was AS interesting as it would be to watch another movie! This video is a must-see for all the fans! Thank you very much! Now I do not really care if Ridley Scott combines both sagas together or not. My mind is free at last! )))
If this is used in Ridley Scott’s third film then the trilogy would be saved👍👌
I like the thought of the Alpha Species, but how could lv-223 come under Engineer control before humans arrived? The Alpha's created the Engineers, after the Humans arive, from human DNA.
Maybe the made them more intelligent?
No, the Alphas went to Earth and met humans prior to that.
@@slothstradamus89 so who created who, and what does the timeline look like?
@@master0184ify I'm not sure of specific years in this instance (as this is a fan propostion, and I dont think he gave years in the videos) but the timeline would be:
1) the Alphas arrive on Earth and take human DNA samples, telling humans to meet them on LV-223 later on,
2) the Alphas then use the human DNA to create the Engineers,
3) sometime later the Engineers splinter into 2 seperate factions.
The alphas would correct the size discrepancy, as the space jockey and engineers are different heights, which has always bugged me.