I'm another one who loves Prometheus. In fact, I find the Engineers far more interesting overall than the Xenomorphs. I'm really sad that we never got the next part of the story.
I loved that another alien race was introduced. I wish they would expand on the Engineers story to add more to the xenomorph story. Like what planets did they use the black goo on? If the black goo was used to create life, who created them? Why aren't other planets inhabited by humans but Earth is (in the Alien universe)? You'd think that engineers would have had other humanoid races if humans came from black goo+engineer dna eventually. Imagine if the black goo was sentient in an alien microbe sort of way, like a more complex fungi.
People don't like to think. They just want something easy to follow and has no purpose. Romulus had no point. Super predictable. And generally just a bad movie. But people loved it. The longer I live the more I'm convinced everyone is just npcs.
I think people would like Prometheus more had the writing with the humans been better. They all are supposed to be scientist/explorers yet act like clowns that have zero survival skills.
@@slang1517AMEN! That what annoys me the most. I had fun with Prometheus and Covenant but in my head it is not part of MY Alien universe because it just takes the outworldish HR Giger grotesk mysteries away. Engineers are just too human for my taste...
If you want a rabbit hole. Look into the fact that Ridley Scott spent two years with the Halo lore team working on a movie about the flood and forerunners. He wrote Promethus shortly after leaving the project. Which almost perfectly mirrors the Forerunner trilogy of books. And basic history between Forerunners "Engineers", the Flood "black goo" and humans.
Kinda why this presented lore isn't so interesting. After all, the Didact immediately recognized the role of John and humanity in dealing with the Flood, but here the Engineer is like "wtf is cousin Gary's science project doing here?"
@@HolographicThoughts "wtf is cousin Gary's science project doing here" got me that will now plauge my friends everytime we watch it. I loved the movies then I happened across a article about his project while trying to catch up on lore for Infinite. It wasn't till I listened to the audiobooks on that journey that it all clicked. He changed quiet a bit obviously. But when you've been that connected to that lore dpt then make these movies.......
@worstxb1playertylerteehc635 In Christian lore, Jesus takes a hiatus and comes back later to bear his gospel. Stuff happens. He's crucified. It's possible his time away was time spent with the Engineers.
Blasphemy. Thank you for saving me time not watching this video. I love sci fi, but the moment you cross that line and start insinuating things about God, it’s offensive. I wish writers would understand that.
I want to see a movie JUST ABOUT the Engineers going into their origins! That would be a very informative piece of information and a really interesting movie
thank you for this! When I saw Prometheus my mind was blown away with the implications of the philosophy. How our creation, David, had the mindset and willpower to destroy our creators...the engineers...quite possibly as a thought experiment...which let to the events of Alien...which is so so fascinating! So much more than a rehashed standard "Alien" horror movie that everyone seems to clamor after. The original Alien was phenomenal for that very reason, it was original. I would certainly rather see the engineer lore expanded further, instead of another standard Alien movie, however beautifully they may be executed.
I actually never really thought about the Engineers possibly going into extinction due to some combination of sterility or lack of females. There are two things that bolster your theory: 1. The shirtless engineer (granted, this is the only shirtless one we ever see) does not have nipples. Nipples, which are essential to child-rearing, even appear on male humans; since Engineers share like 99.9% of our DNA, I don't see them being any different. Which brings me to my next point; 2. All of the Engineers we ever see, besides the older ones, are nearly identical. This means that they may be clones. As far as we know, Engineers live for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years. I would imagine the Engineers, who seem to be constantly pursuing genetic perfection, selected genes that prioritized longer lifespans, rather than the ability to be fertile and produce children (so male and female Engineers started being born without nipples, and were likely all sterile and barren). So eventually they were forced to clone themselves, with their now nearly immortal, but imperfect, genetic template. Which is why we see Engineers that look so similar. They may have just stopped cloning females since they no longer served a purpose, which is a grim realization but it doesn't sound like something the Engineers wouldn't do.
To add to that, the whole ethos behind engineering both the xenomorphs and humans bolsters this concept. They wanted to create life as they organically could not.
Your speculation is not far of real science speculation about possibilities in long spice travel... Generation colony ships - very very colossal and expensive Cryosleep - not really an option and more scfi Robots with human memory upload - most realistic, but really affordable? And finally clone technology - similar to generation ships but much less cost of resources and social problems... Just the movie moon... This is a very likely scenario if u ignore the ethic aspects. So it's very likely that planet eden population created these biological improved clones of the themselves especially as frontiers of they space explorers to spread their live creations, many times in many variations depending of evolution / environment. And the trap comeback of their creation in covenant is a similar scenario like our actual science team watching Mars rover coming back to earth with new probes of hopefully extra terrestrial bacteria
Interesting theories. Perhaps the engineer race, having lost female engineers, is trying to re-evolve them? Or re-evolve a form of their own kind to avoid whatever it was that led to stagnation. The versions of sacrifice necessary to evolve new beings (chest-bursting and black goo) are ‘creation’ but parasitic and destructive. It feels like the engineers are trying to evolve something/ someone quite specific.
@@normanbates7373 well, first you send robots in extreme speed. It is cheap, easy, you prepare inicial colony from resources there. Than few sleeper ships - fast, but small. And lastly, main colony ship/space arc ship. It would take generations one way or the other, you can even send people to barren wasteland and the moment they came there, planet would be fully terraformed/half terraformed, like they do in Alien franchise. And also Raised by wolves (geez, this series was bad). It is possible to do space travel in near future, without breaking any laws of phisic, robots are best in the begining, but with advancement in cry sleep and ship building also humans. I recommend Isaac Arthur channel, good stuff. In space exploration, you got like 95% chance of being dead (like during age of discovery) but if you somehow survive, few cities will get your name, and large percent of population your genes. What about profitability? There is zero profitability from space expansion, at least in the begining. Distance is too high. So why do this? Why not. To explore, to escape, to thrive, to have political/economical/religion freedom. I see space exploration and colonisation as natural extension of what we already had on earth, when first men settle in some distant islands. First, large corporations (like in Alien and Blade Runner) but later regular people. And we dont need to go far, even near moon or Mars is good opportunity. I recommend Robert Zubrin books.
11:50 The enginner says in the script that they took mother's child from earth to educate him so he can teach humanity the right path. Implying that they took Jesus from earth back to their planet for education.
"All 10 of us" There are dozens of us! Dozens! But seriously, Riddley Scott was thinking about how some of these technologies would play out decades ahead of their real heyday.
I never got the hate for Prometheus whatsoever… it is a BEAUTIFUL film and it introduced much needed fresh life into the franchise. Also the Engineers are a great innovation in the Alien universe…
@@detroittrickster3327 i think that “Sir Ridley” had planned to right? They were going to do the ‘Paradise’ sequel that took Shaw and David to the Engineer home world, but it got chopped to pieces and they ended up with Alien Covenant. Which honestly if not for Katherine Waterson and Billy Crudup, wouldn’t have been very good…
the engineers (space jockeys in the original alien) are not innovative cause theyve been there since the first movie, and were dumbed down to just be tall albino people instead of weird beings who grow into their ships which are also made out of flesh and metal. it didnt introduce much fresh life cause halfway through the movie they still played into the same horror movie tropes. the worst thing it did is trying to explain away the mysteries that were enhancing the overall tone of the franchise in the most boring ways imaginable, and never actually trying to align with the original alien movie despite advertising itself as a prequel to it.
People seem to forget that the Nostromo landed on that planet because they thought they were responding to a distress signal. Ripley later deciphered it as a warning signal. The petrified space jockey had activated the signal an extremely long time ago. Also he appeared to have had something bust out of his chest. These are all facts that were played out in the first Alien movie. So some this speculation seems to omit those facts.
Yeah. I think it's clear the Space Jockey was one more created race, the same race that was awakened in Prometheus. Not the same race as the one who created life on earth 4 billion years ago, but some evolute or lesser created inheritor race.
@@archmage_of_the_aether The Engineer’s spacecraft on Prometheus looked very similar to the space vehicle the crew of Nostromo found on LV-426. So they could possibly be of the same race.
@@leerhode1021 I think in some of the first Alien comics a Space Jockey or "Engineer" comes to help Ripley on earth. That rendition, which to me would be more canon in a way, also has them with elephant looking trunks. Additionally that might imply the husk we see in the Alien movie isn't armor, but the actual bones of the creature.
I think the black goo simply represent the prima materia, the abyss, the chaos itself. Hence why even though it created "life," It also breed more chaos & death.
I…damn that makes sense of things. The goo is just a primordial substance that makes life, and life is inherently adaptive and unstable, and constantly moving without need for intelligence to succeed.
I won't go so far as to say the BEST, but it's better than it gets credit for. I like it almost as much as "Aliens", which in turn I like almost as much as "Alien". I didn't think "Romulus" was that bad, either - flawed, but easily in the top four - it could have been been competitive for one of the top three if it hadn't been for the cringe-y (if I might use the word in 2024) "Easter Eggs"/"Shout-Outs" to the earlier movies, which were absolutely too cute for their own good, and (spoilers) the half-Engineer baby subplot being entirely unnecessary (on top of being a too-cute call-back to "Resurrection"!) If an editor had stepped in to convince Ridley Scott to cut the self-referential gimmicks and trim the unnecessary subplot, "Romulus" would have easily have been a great sequel to the series, instead of a fair one. I might also give the third Alien movie - the one with the space-convicts/monks - a qualified spot in fifth place as a curiosity for fans only: it had its moments, and included some interesting visuals and ideas, but it was obviously a troubled production and ultimately a step down from the two movies that preceded it, and "Prometheus" and even "Romulus" easily surpass it. There are bound to be fans of "Alien 3" who prefer it over the newer movies, and I can understand where they are coming from, but it suffers a bit too much from shaky production and just doesn't seem to feel as consistent, coherent, or substantial as my preferred Alien films, and I can't recommend it as much. So, I say that "Alien", "Aliens", "Prometheus", and "Romulus" are the only four Alien movies anyone needs to see, and that's a hill I could comfortably die on.
And on the other hand, there are the entries in the series that I cannot recommend: "Resurrection" felt unneeded and unwanted altogether - a cash-grab of a movie without much ambition beyond expanding unnecessarily on the series' already gross monstrous pregnancy/motherhood motifs. "Alien 3" before it at least aspired to delivering a beautifully-designed dark fantasy element to the series, between competing rewrites that did the whole production few favors - at its best moment,s, that sequel came off a bit like "Dark Crystal" mixed with "Little Red Riding Hood" IN SPACE - but "Resurrection" just looked and felt like an obligatory parable about how corporations and fathers are bad, m'kay? Skip, unless the politics are important to you! The Predator monster-mashes seem to be crowd-pleasers for at least a subset of "Predator" fans, but comes off almost as goofy as the old "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf-Man and Dracula" or "King Kong vs. Godzilla" type movies: schlock for the kiddies, sometimes fun to get together with a few friends to throw popcorn at, but mostly inferior to both "Alien" and "Predator", easily managing to be a sum that is less than any of the original components it was crafted from. How many of these were there, two, three, four? "Predator" was OK if a bit goofy and over-the-top at times, but it's a different animal from "Alien" and "Aliens", and the mix of the two franchises just feels uneasy to me. Check out "Predator", but skip the crossovers, along with the Predator sequels, unless you're in the mood to get high with some friends and have a few laughs at some insubstantial entries in the series (the original "Predator" does eventhis better without the "Alien" component, anyway!) "Covenant" was a disappointment for me: I didn't go into that one with high expectations, given that sequels are rarely in anything like the same class as the original, but I was still unprepared for how disappointed I was by "Covenant". I'm not sure where Ridley Scott was coming from on this one - I think he was a bit stung by the poor reception of "Prometheus" before it, and chose to make a more conventional sci-fi/horror movie, and it just lacks any of the charm or weight for me of the more ambitious "Prometheus" and "Romulus". I might not be giving it enough credit based on my single viewing of it, but perhaps the reasoning went sort of like 'OK, so you wanted more Aliens in Prometheus and less moody allegory? Well, here's a movie full of xenomorphs and big loud stuff going on without much of a story behind it!" That didn't work for me as someone who enjoyed "Prometheus", and I don't think it worked for anyone who didn't like "Prometheus", either - I think this sequel has fewer fans than almost any of the others! I might watch it again to see if it grows on me after a second viewing, but on the whole, I say "Skip!" Honorable mentions go to the '60s "B-movie" sci-fi/horror classics that helped inspire the Alien franchise: "Planet of the Vampires" and "It: The Terror from Beyond Space" (both of which are clear predecessors to "Alien"), and "THEM!" (the giant ant movie, which was surely lurking somewhere in the subconscious of the people who made "Aliens", with the traumatized little girl who survived the ant attacks, and scenes of the US military stomping around in dark sewer tunnels under the city looking for a giant monster queen insect and her nest to eliminate before nukes need to be employed.) These three movies were perhaps not as good as "Alien" and "Aliens", but definitely have memorable moments (I've always found "IT! the Terror from Beyond Space" to be pretty scary for a movie of its vintage - the scene where one of the monster's victims is discovered in the air vents is actually scarier than the equivalent scene from "Alien"!), and these three movies are still fine examples of the sci-fi/horror subgenre at the end of the day in spite of being products of low-budget '60s effects and production!
My first watch of prometheus was actually the "chaos edit" that adds all scenes back. And let me tell you, the movie NEEDS an extended version with everything left in. It's objectively garbage without the context of the scenes they stripped for no apparent reason. I don't consider the version that people saw in theaters to be the real version. So starting with discounting missing scenes is unfortunate. I agree with everything besides that.
I find the engineers by far the most interesting and fascinating aspect of this franchise. It's sucha a cool concept. I hope we get to see plenty more of them in the upcoming films and/or series. David and Weiland Yutani Industries must have a long conversation with them.
People are garbage. They just like the low brow alien horror stuff. Prometheus is the first alien film I actually liked due to the story they told. I love the engineers and was rooting for them to wipe out humanity. It’s always been a dream of mine to have a superior alien species wipe us out, not cause of resources, but cause they find us inferior and worthless. I wouldn’t mind going out under that directive, I’d respect it. I mean as long as it’s after GTA6 though.
@@AndréVilaFranca the concept is just a rehash of chariots of the gods. Or Zechariah sitchens Annunaki story. Aliens making humans is nothing new, but this is one of the most nonsensical and pretentious executions of that idea. The space jockey was meant to be something truly alien. From an ancient world we can’t comprehend. Not a guy in a suit.
I love Prometheus it’s one of my favorites in the franchise and not because of the characters or anything but mainly the whole engineer storyline and idea is what I love and how it ended up leading to the creation of xenomorphs. I love the ancient alien stories and tablets in real life so this movie was right up my alley I guess.
I like the take that the Engineer was extra bad mood because they hit a woman, which their species didn't have anymore. I think the Engineers may have lost their procreation ability, but had enormously long lives, so they were a shrinking population. They found/created a hyper evolving creature into an egg, sacrificed an Engineer to bring the deacon into existence. But do the xeno species also take on more emotional traits from their host? Someone peacefully choosing to give themselves maybe makes a calmer baby, rather than hyper violent baby. So the deacon was a creator not a killer. No evidence for this that I know of, but would be an interesting fill in on why they worshipped and not feared the xenos.
I think it is possible the deacon in the movie is a confused its a new born child not aggrasive and violent, trying to comunicate and its react agaisn't any attack thats so normal, and I don't think it died either, I think its still alive.. the hybrid from the covenant movie its been killed
@@GonzoTehGreatthat’s literally what makes artwork GOOD bro. It sparks imagination and more creativity. Y’all are just basic thinkers with no imagination of your own or something.
They worshipped xenos because they're crucial for their creation of other life. The host thing makes zero sense as all xenos naturally birthed follow the hive mind of the hive queen. They don't have personalities
@@ericburton1244 It's still a poor story that only leaves so much to work with for theories because it is large in its ideas but shallow in its depths no real volume in its story.
The engineers on the planet were closer to the philosopher engineers at the beginning of Prometheus where one of them sacrificed themselves. The ones with the biosuits were a different faction who were venerated as heroes and explorers hence why the ones on the planet reacted with awe and veneration to a returning juggernaut
Exactly. If I was R. Scott, I would make engineering lore that has 2 factions. The creators and destroyers. The waterfall engineer has a Disk shaped ship, not a Juggernaut, and are wearing robes not bio-mech suits. It could be like a war of angels in heaven, one group wanting to destroy earth. This could create a connection to biblical Nephelim stories and Annunaki Enki vs. Enlil. It also mirrors the concepts of Vishnu and Kali, the gods of destruction and rebirth. It would make a great new lore.
This could have been literally the coolest movie of all time. All these concepts HAVE to be put into a series of movies or tv show... someones gotta put all of this stuff together and make a movie if ridley wont. These are the coolest concepts to play with of all time.
I think because the black goo on tbe Prometheus planet went through a long life cycle (in through a males ear, who had sex with Shaw, who conceived a fetus, which was removed early , which became a squid, which attacked an engineers, which birthed the neomorph) to create aneomorph. The neomorph looks like a xenomorph but without the mechanical look. Hence, David must have used the neomorph as a basis that he improved in to create the xenomorph. So neomorphs who seem to derive from the black goo, after being transmitted to different animals, must have been occurring on that planet for a long time.
Some other guys have good explanations... in short the engineer birthed xenomorph when it could no longer reproduce itself so it worshiped the new creation ( they made it themselves and worshiped it)
Take a step back and think for a second and it's obvious it was intentional. The captain meets her end because she didn't plot a better course, the map maker got lost, the biologist decided to pet a 3 foot worm with teeth, the pilot hit the only other space ship on the planet. Every person on this doomed journey met a terrible fate specifically because they were too proud to admit they don't know as much as they claim to, even the engineer at the end loses because he couldn't just let the one already doomed human go and had to prove he was better than us. Pride cometh before the fall: the movie, featuring the xenomorph's junkie cousin
I mean if the movie is a bad movie no amount of originality is going to make it good...just like being a retread doesn't automatically make a movie bad, predictable maybe but could still be well done and enjoyable.
Lmaoooo, “Jesus was real and he was an alien/humanity is just a science project” are literally cliches at this point, so much so that it’s a throwaway gag at the end of the original two Men in Black movies.
@@slang1517 aliens was a backstory to what he was trying to tell. He didn’t take someone’s story. Filling the lore in a universe is awesome unless the story is a sort of rehashing of the original
I think it's more like; the less humanoid the more frightening. If the first Alien showed space jockey as this bald greek statue... I'd never be as interested in the lore.
@@tampakmurni right. The space jockey was amazing because it was so alien. Ridley really didn’t understand that, since he made it into a guy in a suit.
Honestly, Prometheus is one of my favorites in the Alien franchise. It added so much depth to the lore, left us with tons of questions, and really sparked my interest
I honestly always thought that the Jesus stuff was the most interesting take on the Prometheus lore, I think is clear that it was a strong idea that could not see the day of light, officially, because It would have shut down the projects even before filming
For the fossilization plot hole you could argue the atmosphere in Prometheus preserved the bodies that would have been fossilized as well. We see a bit of that as shaw with crew quickly seal off specimens. In fact the mural itself began to decay and rot once the atmosphere changed
the biggest problem I have with the Prometheus/Alien lore is how the prequel movies Prometheus and Covenant have such advanced and slick modern looking technology but the original Alien 1 and 2 have very retro 90s style analog technology. it makes you feel detached from the experience and immersion.
I liked Prometheus and Covenant. Romulus was a bit on the stupid side. Anyway, don't overthink it. Remember, Hulu/Disney owns the franchise now and they tend to muck everything up that they touch.
Right off rip we’re talking about David creating the Xenomorphs which is completely false and covered in the movies. Xenos are thousands if not millions of years old, as evidenced by the fossilized Space Jockey with a chest buster wound on LV-426. David is recreating something similar to a xenomorph by using what he’s learned by studying engineers and their technology
You don’t get it. Ridley retconned the first movie. The space jockey was an engineer. A guy in a suit, not a fossil. Something like the xenomorph existed in the past, similar to the deacon/neo morph. David altered them to create the xenomorphs. In covenant he invents the first facehuggers.
@@slang1517 It's not necessary to retcon any of the previous movies for Prometheus and Covenant to fit in without contradiction with said previous movies. The Space Jockey was a guy in an organic suit AND it was a fossil. David's "Wolf" was not a true xenomorph but it did look similar. Had he actually created them there would be no need for the Wolf to look so different, they just would have used the regular xenomorph.
@@h8uall66 But originally, Giger's Space Jockey sculpture was conceptually a biomechanoid, not a guy in a suit. I consider that a retcon. The design is noticeably different, with the Engineer being much smaller. The Xenomorph design also changed in every movie. The Alien in Covenant looks more like the original than James Cameron's version. Prometheus and Covenant take place before Alien. David coincidentally creates something almost identical to the original facehugger/xeno, and we are given no indication at this point in the timeline that Facehuggers/xenos existed prior, or that David has ever seen them before. The simplest explanation for this coincidence is that David created the creature that would eventually become the original Alien. Ridley has said this.
@@slang1517 " The Alien in Covenant looks more like the original than James Cameron's version." OK, now you're just not making any sense. They look VERY different. The wolf is entirely organic with no "biomechanics." "we are given no indication at this point in the timeline that Facehuggers/xenos existed prior, or that David has ever seen them before." Except for all those eggs and facehuggers on the murals in Prometheus. "Ridley has said this." When?
@@h8uall66 The Wolf is CGI, but if you look up 'protomorph', you can see the head is closer to the original. "Except for all those eggs and facehuggers on the murals in Prometheus. " If you look at the mural closely, you will see those are not typical facehuggers, but rejected concept art from Alien. These are precursors to the facehugger, similar to the trilobite. Similar things existed, but David made the xenomorph as it appears in the original movie. You can find quotes from Ridley, and Mr H did a recent video on this.
To understand Prometheus, you need to know the story of Enlil and Enki as well as the Epic of Gilgamesh. The ancient cuneiform tablets talk about how Sumerian kings lived for thousands and sometimes tens of thousands of years before the flood. The Anunnaki brothers, Enki and Enlil, supposedly genetically modified primates on Earth to create humans as a new slave race to replace the Igigi who were revolting and no longer wanted to work for the Anunnaki. Enlil was like the warlord general brother while Enki was like the mad scientist/geneticist who was tasked with creating humans. But while Enlil just wanted a mindless slave race, Enki gave humans the divine spark that basically made us eternal light beings with the potential to become greater than the Anunnaki. I believe the awakened engineer was confused/angry not because they hit Shaw but because the Engineer realized the humans do have the potential to surpass them as evidenced by their creation of David. This is why Enlil eventually decided to flood Earth to wipe out humans, but Enki tipped off some humans (aka Noah in the Bible). When Enki found out, he got angry, but he decided to just shorten human lifespans instead. That's basically the Babylonian version of the story of creation and Noah lol. Also, what's interesting is the Epic of Gilgamesh is, in part, about how Gilgamesh is trying to find the secret to immortality. Or actually he's trying to find out the secret to how humans lived so long in the old days. He seeks out Biblical Noah (I forgot what his name was in Sumerian), because Noah survived the flood and supposedly knew the secret. But when he finally finds him, Noah tells him he's out of luck since only humans who were around from before the flood could live that long. Then there are stories about how pre-flood was the Altlantis empire and how Atlanteans became corrupt and evil, which is also why Enlil wiped out humans. But Enlil really just didn't like humans and found them to be annoying as they became bigger in population and more of a threat lol. This is all stuff I got from podcasts/UA-cam videos from people like Matt LaCroix and Billy Carson who study this stuff lol.
There are more stories you can study, I think maybe you are discovered the ancient stories new ? and abotu the matt and billy they are controled government agents, don't take them much seriusly.. they don't gave every deep hidden informations, they mix the informations with their own agenda
I don't understand people. Prometheus is a great addition to the alien universe. I was thrilled to see a new prequel coming out. I feared Prometheus trashing scared investors into halting any new projects. Usually thats what happens to shows who get trashed...they don't get sequel or anything.
Look, i like prometheus but it still doesn't change the fact that it is a terrible movie. Think of it as a cold and dry pizza with bad toppings. I'm still gonna eat it and like it but it doesn't mean that it is a good pizza, it just means that i really like pizza. And the pizza in this metaphore stands for "sci-fi movie with several alien races and mythological elements about creation of our species."
@@kivilife yeah sure what ever. Going online to complain about movies they don't like. Makes a lot of sense. You should read my comments about fast and furious 5-10. Actually I never wrote anything about them. It's pointless. Capiche?
I hope they finish off David’s story, they left it wide open. I am also one of the 10 people who liked Prometheus, and one of the 6 people who liked Covenant, and would like to see how David’s story ends up.
You would have to think it would be the biggest bloodbath so far. 2000 colonists and only Tennessee and Dany would have the faintest idea of what the f is going on. Sounds intriguing to me, but alas...
@@nemya9586 To be fair, I never understanded why people doesen't like that movie, and Covenant, it's just another perspective of the xenomorf story. After all, you are welcome in the club. 😄
@@nemya9586 Yeah, there is hope that some day it will be made, but not too much. I would be happy if they write a book or comic from the original concept of that movie. It would be better than nothing, for me atleast.
There is another deleted scene in Prometheus where the engineer confirms that they "took one of our children" and raised it themselves to put them back on our planet to "save" us but we crucified him.... That was the straw that broke the camels back and then point the engineers realized we were too barbaric and should just be whipped out.
I think most of you guys that are crítical with the movie is because you don’t get outta your room. It was a good movie. It had an easy to follow story while still being able to sneak in lore. It had its subtle scariness about how real it felt sometimes. Great video.
I was never sold on the space jockey being "fossilized." Dallas really had no idea what he was looking at. I thought that Prometheus made it pretty clear that the space jockey/engineer was simply inside a suit of some sort.. and not actually fossilized.
In support of fossilization, "Alien" is in many ways an uncredited remake of the '60s Italian sci-fi/horror classic "Planet of the Vampires". In that movie, a military patrol ship responds to what they think is a distress signal (later revealed to be a warning) on a gloomy, cloudy alien world, finds a derelict alien star ship that had been abandoned there thousands of years before, complete with a crew of fossilized alien giants dead from mysterious causes, which turn out to have been the titular race of alien psychic vampire parasites that the human explorers accidentally release from their ancient graves to kill off the human explorers one by one until a prototypical Final Girl character - along with a male lead - finally destroy the vampires by luring them onto their ship and blowing them up, while escaping in a "lifeboat". It's more or less the same story, without H.R. Giger's brilliant biomechanical surrealism, and with a bit of '60s Italian sci-fi/horror B-movie schlock like garish fake blood effects, vampire zombies, and psychic alien ghosts, and "Alien" is as a result one of those rare cases where the remake is better than the original. With "Planet of the Vampires" as a model, one can infer that the "Space Jockey" was probably originally conceived of as an alien fossil on a derelict ship thousands of years old, containing a patient parasitic monster waiting for its next victims to arrive... the alien corpses in this older movie were quite reminiscent of the "Space Jockey" , but are quite clearly fossilized alien mummies or skeletons! And for more fun with precursors to the classic "Alien", check out another great '60s sci-fi/horror classic, "IT: The Terror from Beyond Space!" In that movie, you also get a crew of human explorers setting down on a desolate, dark, and gloomy alien world in response to a distress call - this time the planet Mars after a failed previous expedition is lost - where the explorers accidentally unleash a parasitic horror from the distant past which they accidentally bring back onto their rocket ship with them, where it then kills off the crew one at a time, until the crew can try to blow it into space on the return to Earth. This movie played with the (now outdated) conception of Mars as a dying/dead Earth-like world of dried-up Martian canals and ruins built by an intelligent civilization driven to the brink of extinction as the seas of Mars dry up and vanish: the titular alien parasite of this movie is another vampire, one of the last surviving Martians, which had been driven into hibernation thousands of years ago by the death of Mars, to wait among the old ruins and fossils of Mars for its next victim to show up. I'm old enough to have been around before "Alien" was released, and given the background of "B movie" sci-fi horror films and Weird Tales-inspired pulp sci-fi horror from the likes of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith, it seemed natural for those of us watching at the time before "Aliens" and the other sequels to read between the lines of "Alien" to infer that the "Space Jockey" (as it would later be known) was an alien explorer who had encountered the alien on its travels, and had been killed off by it, leaving only its "distress signal" / warning behind telling everyone else to stay away. (There is, incidentally, a similar assumption for Carpenter's contemporary sci-fi/horror "The Thing", where we understood the "Thing" to be a "hijacker" which attacked the saucer crew, causing it to crash onto Earth thousands of years ago, to wait patiently for its next victims to arrive. For a brilliantly written pulp horror precursor to "Alien", see Clark Ashton Smith's "The Vaults of Yoh-Vombis", written back in 1932 - its combination of moody gothic atmosphere, nightmarish body horror, and vaguely surreal science fiction read and feel decades ahead of their time! Yet again, it's a tale of explorers on Mars unearthing a parasitic nightmare from out of the gulfs of time, hidden among the fossilized dead of a long-extinct Martian civilization.... ua-cam.com/video/AfhKsqQoatY/v-deo.html But, don't get me wrong: "Alien" leaves a lot to our imagination, and we've got decades of sequels, prequels, spin-offs, and re-imaginings built onto it, so there's no reason to think that the impression of fossilized aliens is the only right answer!
@@treadstone1138 Do you mean the engineer ? I gave refference to new born hybrid space jokey, not the engineer, about the enginner it doesn't matter, the techologicaly advanced species can bring back the enginner with cloning or if they don't clone him human enginners can scan his mind wave and data memory transfer it on somewhere save server or the mind of the android or as a data in the computers..
You fundamentally misunderstood the Jesus thing. The deleted dialogue from Prometheus says the engineers brought a child to their home world to teach him, then sent him back to earth. They never said Jesus was an engineer. They implied Jesus was TAUGHT BY ENGINEERS.
The whole subtexts and context of bible under meaning line in Alian movie is in the fact of life Ridley Scott. (Even main character in original movie named “Reply”-Ridley is not big difference right?) So here is what you got here. Engineers as the symbol of creators of the franchise “Alien” should choose one ☝️ who would sacrifice his artistic talent in public media to satisfy demand of his creation funs. Yes, exactly. First movie is all about how Ridley “Reply” find out the screenplay of the “alien”. The whole story told by Quentin Tarantino many times. The Prometheus reveal us the origin of the Alien + shows us the creators “Engineers”(special effect engineering team under management of the director) The movie of the Alien skyrocketed career of all team members who worked under first 2 movies in the Franchise, except Ridley Scott. Yes, it’s spuds weird to Americans and Hollywood obsessed people, but Ridley is English and they have Shakespeare and Adele. Sir Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis is a perfect example of movie influencer who doesn’t need to do art for money. This is why Ridley shows us Sacrifice scene in the beginning of Prometheus. (In interviews about Alien five he said many times that people probably tired from Aliens, and after Covenant he accepted that he was wrong) This is how you should analysed the whole Franchise of “Alien” universe. It’s all about Ridley Scott and his life struggles of the perception real art (What Sir Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis do and what fans demands him to do) Don’t get me wrong, but Ridley probably doesn’t have a lot of respect for projects like Avatar 2 and Cameron scale level. He doesn’t have an opportunity to become second Cameron, because he want to do something to become the one. (Aliens directed by Cameron is also second movie after “Terminator” success, which wasn’t even achieved during the shooting of Aliens if you know the story behind why they force the whole employee to watch “Terminator” at the beginning of Aliens production process to stop arguing with Cameron)
Prometheus was badass. Covenant was blah. The engineer backstory is dope and adds depth to the Alien franchise. Get a lil' something new each movie. just my opinion, which I'm sure everyone is super stoked to hear, lmao
From a Stellaris perspective, i like to think that the Engineers where one of the, if not, the oldest species at their peak in Galactic history, they observed other pre-ftl civies, did experiments and started creating their own, but at some point they became stagnant, to comfortable to the point where they became infertile, they tried everything they could to change this, to no avail, their desperation grew so much that they became a Fallen Empire, but they eventually found the Primordial Xenomorphs and their potential, they started extracting the black goo and viewed it as a miracle, slowly their remaining civilization started turning religious and decided to clean the slate with some of their other species, but they still couldn't fix their own problem, they all died in the end, only their technologies left behind, hell, maybe they even created the Yautja, deemed them too primitive, similar to the humans, but they left them almost intact, maybe that's why the Yautjas hate them or view them as rivals, because the Engineers tried to guide them on their own ways, or maybe tried to wipe them out, but the Yautjas fought back, but at the cost of their civilization suffering and their Planet getting glassed, but their retained some of their tech and also were able to integrate some of the Engineers own, and that's why they're even more advanced than humans. Idk, i like to go wild with these kind of stuff.
I kinda like your ideas. I also like the doglike creatures from the Aliens/Predator Rage War books who the Yautja were aware of who where allegedly extinct but had tech way ahead of even their species. Great book series btw that I highly recommend if anyone is looking for a good read. I would love to see that series of books adapted into the movies.
I love these ideas! I also go wild with theories and lore connecting whenever I start hyperfixating on a property XD The alien franchise has always been very sorta intimidating lore-wise to me lol My current hyperfixation is trying to fit all the GTA games together in my headcanon XD (GTA 3 happens pre-9/11 in my mind for example)
One thing I realized about Hollywood in general: the people watching a video like this care alot more about the internal consistency of the lore in cinematic universes than the people making the movies.
I always took it as David did not engineer the xenomorph. But that the Engineers had deconstructed the xenomorph to be used as a bioweapon. The black goo, once exposed to something to mutate, began rebuilding itself. With every generation developing into the xeno we all know. David just sped up the process by generations. Perhaps the Engineers developed the Xenos or they found them.
There’s one before David ever made it . Idk what the creator of this video is talking about . David recreated a weapon the engineers had long before created .
The engineer was literally about the kill that veteran predator in the comic, the human hid and shot it with some extremely powerful flame thrower like alien gun which staggered the engineer but it was still whopping their asses and the predator had to drop his nuke to kill it . Engineers > Preds
For the sake of the argument, there were many forms of Predator(Yautja). In Prey there is a Predator that fights H2H with a grizzly bear and thats freakin crazy, there were also a Predator tribe that preyed on other Yautja. I think the engineers are far more advanced and basically immortal but when it comes to hunting or combat, the Yautja are unmatched. They would kill anything in single combat whether it be a alien queen or a Engineer.
@@Smoothalcoholic I dont believe the form of predator has much to do with this. It was your traditional predator in this fight but a very combat experienced one named Ahab. He had some of the most trophies and battle scars to his name. His ranked is 'elder" , elder doesnt mean old, it means very experienced . The engineer still dominated and won fairly in hand to hand combat despite the predator having the jump and using wrist blades and staff. The engineer had the reach advantage, strength advantage and just straight up fought better. At one point it literally put Ahab in a headlock then it went on to break his upper arm or pop his shoulder . Even after the human sniped the engineer in the chest and gave the predator a chance, the engineer quickly recovered and the predator basically had to run away in a ship with the human and drop his nuke which was a cheap shot
@@cherrypoptart2001 It has everything to do with it, the Predator from Avp 2 soloed a Xeno hive and a Predator xeno queen. One engineer would not stop that guy, Also i reckon the engineer would get bodied by a grizzly.
@@Smoothalcoholic Wolf predator from AVP2 was an "elite" predator, the predator that fought the engineer was a more skilled predator crowned the rank of "elder" . If an engineer can defeat at elder predator in hand to hand combat, an elite predator stands almost no chance . The way that Ahab got manhandled in that comic, it was worse than what the predalien did to wolf predator at the end of AVP2 on top of that roof .
"Fossilized" is probably fair - I think the implication is that the body was there for a VERY long time and had indeed moved from mere mummification into fossilization in that environment - at least, that was the case in the original movie, I think, based on what I vaguely remember of the Aland Dean Foster.novelization back in the '80s, and more clearly remember from the prototypical "Planet of the Vampires" made a few years before "Alien" (which follows pretty much the same plot, and features a fossilized alien skeleton on a very ancient crashed starship infested by psychic vampires instead of Giger-monsters....) "Caesarean Section" is absolutely the term the video's narrator missed, though! Given that the monster had acid blood and was growing at a nightmarish speed in a part of the human anatomy that was never meant to contain it, anything but a carefully-performed, medically-assisted live birth would have surely been catastrophic....
It definitely wasn’t a cesarean section, as that’s not the actually surgical procedure witnessed in the movie. What we see it a failed attempt at an abortive-type surgical procedure
@@pietrayday9915 I mean, it's basically impossible for it to fossilize without being exposed to enough minerals for those minerals to completely replace the engineer's structure. So in a spacecraft, it couldn't fossilize.
David didn't create Xenomorphs, the Protomorphs we see in Covenant are similar but 1) don't have the biomechanical fratures that make the OG Xenomorphs so iconic and 2) don't even have the same lifecycle; the eggs are bigger and they entirely skip the "snake" phase. What I think we see is a black goo driven case of convergent evolution. Convergent evolution is when species that are very separated and share little DNA with each other develop the same "features". I think the black goo *tends* to make Xenomorphy things as demonstrated by the Neomorphs (the white animalistic aliens that spread via spores from Covenant), David's Protomorphs, The Deacon and the final monster from Romulus. This makes sense when you take the whole "perfect organism" thing literally. The black goo is an evolutionary accrlerant and Xenomorphs are the most evolved lifeform that exists, so everything it touches will get mutated to be more Xenomorph-like
The engineer being fossilized bothers me because of the fan base. If you really look at the engineers in prometheus, their suits are their skin. Those tough bonelike exoskeleton are a part of them. Just look at the neckline, and you can see it gradually soften. The engineers engineer themselves
That's just the black goo reacting to the base engineer DNA in all humans. And given this goo was from a xenomorph and not a deacon is why it's more xeno like
What bothers the Alien fans is the fact the Space Jockey is nothing but another generic humanoid Star Trek-ish alien. The dead pilot Giger created was supposed to be some other wordly weird bio mechanical monstrosity forever fused to the chair & the ship for only a specific purpose.
@@changsangma1915 While I agree with the Geiger statement, I wouldn't necessarily call the Engineers Star Trek. Mostly, this is because the ST aliens are just coincidentally humanoid, while in Prometheus, they are our progenitors. They don't look like us, we look like them.
@@r.babylon2885 ... its not just the fans issue with the movie, the whole Engineer lore has problems, it's not well thought out and for some reason the director decided to kill them off while still managing to confuse whether those were Engineers or another off shoot humanoids created by them. Whatever it is, the director was not thinking straight to visualize the world building of Engineer species for anyone to care about.
I grew up in a very religious and sheltered home, so I didn’t have a lot of access to movies that most people watched, like the Alien movies. When I was 20 I saw Prometheus in theaters and absolutely loved it. Still do ❤
If you really think about it. Everybody says that they are in the minority that actually liked Prometheus. But if everybody is saying that they’re the “minority “ … are we really the minority?
When the movie came out people compared it to what came before and from that perspective it was bad. But now people compare it with what came out after and from that perspective it's good. Same with Star Wars 1-3
I feel like from an outsiders perspective (and Alien fan) that Prometheus and Covenant ruins the lore & mystique of the Xenomorphs and Engineers because since 1979 the audience hasn’t a clue where these extraterrestrial beings originate. I don’t know if Ridley Scott though it was a good idea or not to expand the universe and give a subtle history to these beings. Given my attitude towards Covenant, and how much I dislike it the most, David playing God and these religious themes messes with my mind because it makes no sense as a science fiction viewer. But as long as I turn my brain off and don’t think about it I will never be bother. Good video anyway Ryan!
People are garbage. They just like the low brow alien horror stuff. Prometheus is the first alien film I actually liked due to the story they told. I love the engineers and was rooting for them to wipe out humanity. It’s always been a dream of mine to have a superior alien species wipe us out, not cause of resources, but cause they find us inferior and worthless. I wouldn’t mind going out under that directive, I’d respect it. I mean as long as it’s after GTA6 though.
honestly, I think aliens ruined the mystique more. the alien in alien is a horrifying thing that was on an ancient alien spaceship. in aliens, they're just big bugs that live in a hive and have a queen, and there's presumably a planet that these bugs are native to. I prefer the idea that they're the end result of an advanced race messing with genetics, but it's ok if not everyone agrees. I like to think there's two canons, the aliens canon, and the ridley scott canon.
@@slang1517 just weak whiney ones. It seems like the more freedoms we have the less disciplined we are and make our own issues. I hope we have an authoritarian government one of these days that makes us suffer like we did during mideval times. I would gladly be oppressed to see everyone around me have real problems to complain about.
I have my own theory for the eggs on lv223. The ship and the engineer is ancient, 10s or 100s of thousands of years old, from when their culture was at their absolutely peak(and black goo/gene manipulation/weapons program as well). Lv223 was their main R&D hub, well away from their home world. In their desire to create the perfect organism with the goo, leaving it up to evolution on disparate worlds was coming up short, so they manipulated the goo directly to create the xenomorphs. It went badly, destroying the research hub, and all the goo. The world we see David destroy is their society at its lowest. They sent ships to the same system thousands of years ago to try and salvage what they could on their new hub on lv466. That's why they were so overjoyed to see the ship return, they had done it! Recreated the black goo to rebirth their once glorious civilization....only to find out it was David on his mission of genocide. Turns out 466 couldn't replicate the work done on 223; in one of their missions to retrieve what they could, one of these new engineers found the egg room, became infected by a face hugger, ending in the destruction of the engineers last home for salvation.
People keep forgetting that Prometheus never was supposed to be a 'Alien' movie. It was supposed to be it's own, completely disconnected take on life and mythology, and when you actually know about the Epic of Gilgamesh, you will see that it is a modern interpretation on that tale, mixed with lore of ancient Greece, Romans, Christianity (rather Catholicism), and even Islam. It was meant to be a dark story, a bit morbid, and indeed, meant to have 'Alien civilizations', and expanding on the lore and mythology of potential 'ancient aliens', far more advanced than us, but us being actual 'projects', which again brings us back to things like Gilgamesh, but more in the parts of Annunaki, Enki, etc, and that DNA-alteration (which is where the Enki stories come from for example), and one could claim that the 'goo' is the 'accelerant', which it also has been called in the lore. This further fits with the Annunaki stories where they 'accelerated' 'monkey' DNA with their own in building human 'slaves'. The Annunaki also tells how they wanted to get rid of the humans when they rebelled, but one of the legends came in defense of mankind and 'protected' them. Again, you could argue this is clearly a reference to the 'black goo' and the scene fo David destroying the 'humanoids' on another planet. Those on that planet having essentially 'mined' or 'did their work' for their 'rulers/creators'. The annunaki story is that mankind was 'made' just to mine for gold, which the Aliens from 'Niburu' needed for their atmosphere ( terraforming ). In a clear 'parallel', mankind ( 'Weyland' ) created androids ( like humans do now ) in order to do 'their slave work', and when they have fulfilled their function, we'll just 'throw it at the garbage' ( destroy it ). It's an aspect not actually delved in in Prometheus, but should have been clarified as the motivation of David's worries shaping his actions. A totally non-related movie called 'I Robot' portrays this quite a bit better imho, but also in Terminator and perhaps even The Matrix. Referencing Prometheus is fitting because the tale of Prometheus is about the 'Legend' Prometheus stealing fire (fill in whatever you want) from 'The Gods' (creators) and bringing it to mankind (fill in whatever you want), which led to them rebelling and becoming powerful, to which Prometheus was punished. His liver being eaten and being born again, to die again, in some sort of 'hell life' forever. That was essentially the whole intention of Ridley Scott's prometheus. it did not have ANYTHING to do, originally, with ANYTHING 'Xeno'. However, the link is easily made, Ridley Scott making an 'alien movie' immediately harks to 'Xenomorphs'. I think a better take on his plans were, more or less, 'Raised by wolves', which is 'alien-like' without 'alien' in it, telling a tale. Since many people got excited by the idea of Ridley Scott going back to 'Alien', this quickly got wind and got to Fox / the labels owning the rights, and started to see a chance, or signal, they could not ignore, and then movtivated Scott to implement or 'mix' Aliens into the tale, which wasn't really that 'hard' if you consider aliens, giant gods, and androids. They then simply and CLEARLY pulled elements from AVP (the first one), changed names, and re-shaped it into what now became 'Prometheus', at the sacrifice of the original story, a lot of budget, and as a compromise. The issue here is that you HAVE to look at Prometheus WITHOUT the 'Xeno' aspect, so WITHOUT the Deacon, and WITHOUT the 'face hugger' thing. PERHAPS you could include a diabolical atrocious 'child' born, as some crazy mutation born, due to 'David's' influence, whom recognized and knew or understood, silently, the humans origins and had a different path/objective, as it saw it as a chance to escape enslavement by his 'rulers', not important the 'before gods', as those created (biological) humans as the same, it's just the same everytime. If you look at it at that, there is a certain 'sad' aspect missed where David itself, as an android, misses out that he has become EXACTLY the thing he hated. A reference of that however is in Covenant 'look at my works, ye mighty, and despair'. Where Walter shows his defects. That is the true story that would have, should have, been made, and would have been a very thought-provoking and strong tale, suggesting this is how it 'always' went in the past with 'former' versions/creations/creators, and that everytime something just changes, but that Androids (Synthetics) actually are a new breed, a new change, as they are not actually 'biological', which actually very much was intentional, as it would set people to wonder, yes, but, if that goes for synthetics created by humans, and humans are created by 'Engineers' (biological too), then one might wonder, as is asked by Shaw's boyfriend 'who made them?', meaning, was the Engineers creator also 'biological', or was that an entirely different form of existance, in a more advanced plane of existance, multi-dimensional if you will. Again, unfortunately, we did not get that story, as the big shots of the copyright holder label owners, decided that they wanted it now to include Aliens, and as such, RUINED it for Ridley Scott, who mentioned that essentially in part two that 'they wanted to see the beast'. He essentially was 'forced' to and re-dressed into exploring where the 'Juggernaut' came from (or the guy in the chair, the pilot) But his original vision was not what we got. One can only imagine what amazing, and crazy story we might have had if he was not 'sabotaged' by 'hollywood' so to speak. I think we really lost something there, due to corporate greed. I can only advise everyone to look up the story of the Annunaki, just look it up on youtube, and the Epic of Gilgamesh too. Look at that story, paint that image in your head, THEN start watching Prometheus. You'll be completely mesmerized how different Prometheus starts to look. Oh, and, erase the 'deacon' on the wall, and the whole 'facehugger' concept, look at it as parasitic and a story of rebirth.
Wanted to add, Fossils can form quickly under the right conditions, sometimes in less than a day. Thank u for the video, I enjoyed the info & the content.
Prometheus was a perfectly fine film as it was. I saw someone else describe the three most recent movies as, "Covenant felt like a Prometheus movie tying in Alien, Romulus felt like an Alien movie tying in Covenant" 16:25 Yes, the alien goo David gives to Charlie by dropping it in alcohol. Correct.
Why did Wayland Yutani never go back there. They had a whole team of scientists create data around and at least 2 space trips over there. But the company just... never bothered with those planets again after, or? Is stupid meng, all of it, stupid. Not wearing space protection on hostile planet, running in straight line away from donut ship, I mean we talking stan and laurel here queue music.
I'm always sad to hear that people don't like Prometheus. It's literally one of my favorite movies ever and probably my favorite movie of The alien franchise! It's not perfect but it's so cool and keeps you wondering and guessing. I really hope they make a movie or a series about the engineers and provide all the details about them in the future!
I'm a rare breed - Prometheus/Engineer lore fan, and not really an "Alien" fan. I've always loved Sci-fi and especially when it goes into deep lore/mythology, so Prometheus was perfect for me in that sense. Obviously it had its flaws, but I'm still devastated that they abandoned the Engineers/Shaw/David plot.
Im pretty sure the writers never get to this level, and make a movie for movies sake, and this type of head cannon creates fans with expectations that simple writers will never fulfill. Thus we get an army of haters who cancel people/creators until what we love dies.
More people like or really like Prometheus than not is my take. There is a vocal small group of people who dislike it. Alien Covenant on the other hand.
People are garbage. They just like the low brow alien horror stuff. Prometheus is the first alien film I actually liked due to the story they told. I love the engineers and was rooting for them to wipe out humanity. It’s always been a dream of mine to have a superior alien species wipe us out, not cause of resources, but cause they find us inferior and worthless. I wouldn’t mind going out under that directive, I’d respect it. I mean as long as it’s after GTA6 though.
I’ve always said I “Generally” enjoy Prometheus, but there are a few things that are a bit annoying (mostly these supposed scientists acting like complete idiots to be honest, I’d say 90% my annoyances are from that 😂)
I was so attracted by this movie that it got it interested in the whole Alien lore, I bet I can find people here up for discussion about this topic as its really good to share our imaginations
One thing I haven’t seen anyone point out - engineers are modeled after the Statue David. Same face, also super tall and buff (moreso than that statue tho)
@@blubmuzIt takes forever to sift through the noise and find it.. but yeah they did. Pretty sure it was them talking about plans and ideas for a 3rd David film.. they mentioned Engineers show up and discover what David had to to their project. Meaning the Planet 4 people were a created race like us humans, but they were ones the Engineers liked where they didn’t like us. That wasn’t the most interesting part.. they said the Engineers showing up would be one of FOUR different factions/ species discovering what had happened and then they all get involved to go find him. So.. assuming “Humans” might be another.. what are the other two?
@@markmcbride3435 OK, that sounds interesting, can I ask for a source? Also, this non-engineer race, as you said, was preferred over us, but they still were destroyed... I guess Engineers maybe had a little too high standards. Why not xenomorph is the race they supposed to destroy instead of harmless (or at least less harmful) intelligent races?
David clearly did not create the xenomorphs he built upon what which the engineers had done already. I'm not sure why people like you think that like it clearly doesn't say that. It doesn't even insinuate it I just wonder if you paid attention to anything
@@jonathansoko1085 we literally see David invent facehugger eggs in a prequel to Alien. It’s pretty obvious, and it’s been confirmed by Ridley and people that worked on the movie
@@slang1517 no you don't you see him do his version of them. Let's ignore all of the other elements in the movie prior to those things already existing. This is very simple. He built on existing things. He did not invent or create them. He created his stuff his experiments. He did not invent them as you people seem to insinuate even though all of the lore agreed with me. You people just like this channel use your head Canon too much
@@jonathansoko1085 Seriously? You're the one using your head cannon. I'm going by what the creators of the movie intended. You think David just coincidentally made something that looks identical to a facehugger? Even though he'd never seen one, and there's no indication they existed already? That's just silly.
The idea of life coming to earth from somewhere else is extremely interesting, but it is the biggest cop out of one of life's biggest questions: "How did life begin?" I enjoyed prometheus because I'm a sucker for world building but as someone who thinks the original alien was the best movie ever made, I realize that sometimes that mystery and suspense is what makes a good story. Sometimes, knowing too much ruins it.
4:16, thats a bas relief sculpture, not a mural. Murals are flat (2 dimensional), bas relief are raised above the surface of a wall (or pylon or column).
it's interesting how you come up with theories and explanations for things that were just ad-hoc decisions of the directors of those movies, sometimes budget driven decisions.
Updating an update will make you outdated This how the universe works All of this Lore and the actual story dosnt matter David knows best It was his duty
I'm another one who loves Prometheus. In fact, I find the Engineers far more interesting overall than the Xenomorphs. I'm really sad that we never got the next part of the story.
Exactly! I was looking forward to seeing a movie centered in their civilization….
I loved that another alien race was introduced. I wish they would expand on the Engineers story to add more to the xenomorph story. Like what planets did they use the black goo on? If the black goo was used to create life, who created them? Why aren't other planets inhabited by humans but Earth is (in the Alien universe)? You'd think that engineers would have had other humanoid races if humans came from black goo+engineer dna eventually. Imagine if the black goo was sentient in an alien microbe sort of way, like a more complex fungi.
I think we never really got a movie on engineers because their not interesting. Most are monks and the rest are pawns to create life on planets
I love anything alien related, Prometheus was a great movie
People don't like to think. They just want something easy to follow and has no purpose. Romulus had no point. Super predictable. And generally just a bad movie. But people loved it. The longer I live the more I'm convinced everyone is just npcs.
I think people would like Prometheus more had the writing with the humans been better. They all are supposed to be scientist/explorers yet act like clowns that have zero survival skills.
That would help, but I’ll never like changing the space jockey into a human in a suit. That ruined one of the best creations in all of sci fi
they all lied on their applications to get that sweet job
YES
@@slang1517AMEN! That what annoys me the most. I had fun with Prometheus and Covenant but in my head it is not part of MY Alien universe because it just takes the outworldish HR Giger grotesk mysteries away. Engineers are just too human for my taste...
@@speedboiiii2722 It was disrespectful for Ridley to change Giger's space Jockey. The biomechanoid concept was integral to its design.
Yay! I'm one of the 10 prometheus fans!
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@@leonvalentine3748I love Prometheus
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Reminds me of that Jurassic park line… “God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man, man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs…. “
great JP plug
...Dinosaurs create god...?
9uthem dinos is fixin to kill us?
"Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth"
@@Ellieaaarggghhh lol stop it
I think that you vastly underestimate the amount of Prometheus fans
Big Prometheus fan!
I enjoyed prometheus but they left too many unanswered questions. These are the sort of movies that should've been a show instead of a trilogy
There's 13 of US
just dont ask questions, consoom and be excited about next product. you guys are pathetic.
Make it 14.
If you want a rabbit hole. Look into the fact that Ridley Scott spent two years with the Halo lore team working on a movie about the flood and forerunners. He wrote Promethus shortly after leaving the project. Which almost perfectly mirrors the Forerunner trilogy of books. And basic history between Forerunners "Engineers", the Flood "black goo" and humans.
Kinda why this presented lore isn't so interesting. After all, the Didact immediately recognized the role of John and humanity in dealing with the Flood, but here the Engineer is like "wtf is cousin Gary's science project doing here?"
Wow. That actually makes a lot of sense.
@@HolographicThoughts "wtf is cousin Gary's science project doing here" got me that will now plauge my friends everytime we watch it. I loved the movies then I happened across a article about his project while trying to catch up on lore for Infinite. It wasn't till I listened to the audiobooks on that journey that it all clicked. He changed quiet a bit obviously. But when you've been that connected to that lore dpt then make these movies.......
Dont mix halo-shit with masterpieces as Alien.
@@Gfors85 Check out this guy getting worked up in zealous fervor over fictional universes like we just said his God isn't real.
Ridley didn't say Jesus was an engineer. He was taken by engineers during his "missing years" and returned to spread the message of the engineers.
Thank you, saved me having to point this out. Have a like
He said the engineer was crucified so yeah Jesus.
Nothing about him going missing.
@worstxb1playertylerteehc635 In Christian lore, Jesus takes a hiatus and comes back later to bear his gospel. Stuff happens. He's crucified.
It's possible his time away was time spent with the Engineers.
Blasphemy. Thank you for saving me time not watching this video. I love sci fi, but the moment you cross that line and start insinuating things about God, it’s offensive. I wish writers would understand that.
apparently the script that implied Jesus was taken by the engineers was a fake. it was called "draft 17".
Promothesus was breath of fresh air for the alien saga
I want to see a movie JUST ABOUT the Engineers going into their origins! That would be a very informative piece of information and a really interesting movie
thank you for this! When I saw Prometheus my mind was blown away with the implications of the philosophy. How our creation, David, had the mindset and willpower to destroy our creators...the engineers...quite possibly as a thought experiment...which let to the events of Alien...which is so so fascinating! So much more than a rehashed standard "Alien" horror movie that everyone seems to clamor after. The original Alien was phenomenal for that very reason, it was original. I would certainly rather see the engineer lore expanded further, instead of another standard Alien movie, however beautifully they may be executed.
Xenomorph Queen: “I am not the messiah!”
Engineers: “YES SHE IS THE MESSIAH!!”
I love dune, too
@@r.babylon2885 Dune and Life of Brian
@@r.babylon2885 I love Dune and Life of Brian
I love Life of Brian too
"I like to eat people from other planets. 'specially y'all." Family Guy Xenomorph Queen
I actually never really thought about the Engineers possibly going into extinction due to some combination of sterility or lack of females. There are two things that bolster your theory:
1. The shirtless engineer (granted, this is the only shirtless one we ever see) does not have nipples. Nipples, which are essential to child-rearing, even appear on male humans; since Engineers share like 99.9% of our DNA, I don't see them being any different. Which brings me to my next point;
2. All of the Engineers we ever see, besides the older ones, are nearly identical. This means that they may be clones.
As far as we know, Engineers live for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years. I would imagine the Engineers, who seem to be constantly pursuing genetic perfection, selected genes that prioritized longer lifespans, rather than the ability to be fertile and produce children (so male and female Engineers started being born without nipples, and were likely all sterile and barren). So eventually they were forced to clone themselves, with their now nearly immortal, but imperfect, genetic template. Which is why we see Engineers that look so similar. They may have just stopped cloning females since they no longer served a purpose, which is a grim realization but it doesn't sound like something the Engineers wouldn't do.
To add to that, the whole ethos behind engineering both the xenomorphs and humans bolsters this concept. They wanted to create life as they organically could not.
Your speculation is not far of real science speculation about possibilities in long spice travel...
Generation colony ships - very very colossal and expensive
Cryosleep - not really an option and more scfi
Robots with human memory upload - most realistic, but really affordable?
And finally clone technology - similar to generation ships but much less cost of resources and social problems... Just the movie moon... This is a very likely scenario if u ignore the ethic aspects.
So it's very likely that planet eden population created these biological improved clones of the themselves especially as frontiers of they space explorers to spread their live creations, many times in many variations depending of evolution / environment.
And the trap comeback of their creation in covenant is a similar scenario like our actual science team watching Mars rover coming back to earth with new probes of hopefully extra terrestrial bacteria
Interesting theories. Perhaps the engineer race, having lost female engineers, is trying to re-evolve them? Or re-evolve a form of their own kind to avoid whatever it was that led to stagnation. The versions of sacrifice necessary to evolve new beings (chest-bursting and black goo) are ‘creation’ but parasitic and destructive. It feels like the engineers are trying to evolve something/ someone quite specific.
Or the engineers we see are a cloned warrior class. In Covenant we see a civilian class of engineers all appearing different looking.
@@normanbates7373 well, first you send robots in extreme speed. It is cheap, easy, you prepare inicial colony from resources there. Than few sleeper ships - fast, but small. And lastly, main colony ship/space arc ship. It would take generations one way or the other, you can even send people to barren wasteland and the moment they came there, planet would be fully terraformed/half terraformed, like they do in Alien franchise. And also Raised by wolves (geez, this series was bad). It is possible to do space travel in near future, without breaking any laws of phisic, robots are best in the begining, but with advancement in cry sleep and ship building also humans. I recommend Isaac Arthur channel, good stuff. In space exploration, you got like 95% chance of being dead (like during age of discovery) but if you somehow survive, few cities will get your name, and large percent of population your genes. What about profitability? There is zero profitability from space expansion, at least in the begining. Distance is too high. So why do this? Why not. To explore, to escape, to thrive, to have political/economical/religion freedom. I see space exploration and colonisation as natural extension of what we already had on earth, when first men settle in some distant islands. First, large corporations (like in Alien and Blade Runner) but later regular people. And we dont need to go far, even near moon or Mars is good opportunity. I recommend Robert Zubrin books.
For some reason, this kind of video feels fitting for autumn
fuck pumpkin spice season it’s engineer season
It is still summer though, my man
@@jonathansoko1085 NO! Summer is DEAD! It's cold where I live and the leaves are turning brown.
Thats, oddly accurate. Wünderbar for that observation
@kotorandcorvid4968 brown leaves here too but it's still very hot 😂
11:50 The enginner says in the script that they took mother's child from earth to educate him so he can teach humanity the right path. Implying that they took Jesus from earth back to their planet for education.
lol. why didnt they take muhammad?
"All 10 of us"
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
But seriously, Riddley Scott was thinking about how some of these technologies would play out decades ahead of their real heyday.
🤣
I never got the hate for Prometheus whatsoever… it is a BEAUTIFUL film and it introduced much needed fresh life into the franchise. Also the Engineers are a great innovation in the Alien universe…
agreed they should have continued from that
@@detroittrickster3327 i think that “Sir Ridley” had planned to right? They were going to do the ‘Paradise’ sequel that took Shaw and David to the Engineer home world, but it got chopped to pieces and they ended up with Alien Covenant. Which honestly if not for Katherine Waterson and Billy Crudup, wouldn’t have been very good…
They are NO innovation they have been there since very first movie.
the engineers (space jockeys in the original alien) are not innovative cause theyve been there since the first movie, and were dumbed down to just be tall albino people instead of weird beings who grow into their ships which are also made out of flesh and metal.
it didnt introduce much fresh life cause halfway through the movie they still played into the same horror movie tropes. the worst thing it did is trying to explain away the mysteries that were enhancing the overall tone of the franchise in the most boring ways imaginable, and never actually trying to align with the original alien movie despite advertising itself as a prequel to it.
Because it's full of idiots, and terrible explanations to anything (explaining nothing).
People seem to forget that the Nostromo landed on that planet because they thought they were responding to a distress signal. Ripley later deciphered it as a warning signal. The petrified space jockey had activated the signal an extremely long time ago. Also he appeared to have had something bust out of his chest. These are all facts that were played out in the first Alien movie. So some this speculation seems to omit those facts.
Yeah. I think it's clear the Space Jockey was one more created race, the same race that was awakened in Prometheus. Not the same race as the one who created life on earth 4 billion years ago, but some evolute or lesser created inheritor race.
@@archmage_of_the_aether The Engineer’s spacecraft on Prometheus looked very similar to the space vehicle the crew of Nostromo found on LV-426. So they could possibly be of the same race.
@@leerhode1021 I think in some of the first Alien comics a Space Jockey or "Engineer" comes to help Ripley on earth. That rendition, which to me would be more canon in a way, also has them with elephant looking trunks. Additionally that might imply the husk we see in the Alien movie isn't armor, but the actual bones of the creature.
@@archmage_of_the_aether Space jockey got retconed, they are all engeneers now, same tech, and same species, the exosekeleton is just a bio armor.
I think the black goo simply represent the prima materia, the abyss, the chaos itself. Hence why even though it created "life," It also breed more chaos & death.
Underrated comment and good alchemy connection
I…damn that makes sense of things.
The goo is just a primordial substance that makes life, and life is inherently adaptive and unstable, and constantly moving without need for intelligence to succeed.
Where we come from and where we are going are all the same.
The guy in the chair is just an engineer in their space suits
Prometheus was the best Alien movie, i will die on this hill
Enjoy it up there. Nice view?.
I won't go so far as to say the BEST, but it's better than it gets credit for. I like it almost as much as "Aliens", which in turn I like almost as much as "Alien".
I didn't think "Romulus" was that bad, either - flawed, but easily in the top four - it could have been been competitive for one of the top three if it hadn't been for the cringe-y (if I might use the word in 2024) "Easter Eggs"/"Shout-Outs" to the earlier movies, which were absolutely too cute for their own good, and (spoilers) the half-Engineer baby subplot being entirely unnecessary (on top of being a too-cute call-back to "Resurrection"!) If an editor had stepped in to convince Ridley Scott to cut the self-referential gimmicks and trim the unnecessary subplot, "Romulus" would have easily have been a great sequel to the series, instead of a fair one.
I might also give the third Alien movie - the one with the space-convicts/monks - a qualified spot in fifth place as a curiosity for fans only: it had its moments, and included some interesting visuals and ideas, but it was obviously a troubled production and ultimately a step down from the two movies that preceded it, and "Prometheus" and even "Romulus" easily surpass it. There are bound to be fans of "Alien 3" who prefer it over the newer movies, and I can understand where they are coming from, but it suffers a bit too much from shaky production and just doesn't seem to feel as consistent, coherent, or substantial as my preferred Alien films, and I can't recommend it as much.
So, I say that "Alien", "Aliens", "Prometheus", and "Romulus" are the only four Alien movies anyone needs to see, and that's a hill I could comfortably die on.
Number 2, maybe 3... cannot do better than the originality and novelty of Alien... molds are only broken once.
And on the other hand, there are the entries in the series that I cannot recommend:
"Resurrection" felt unneeded and unwanted altogether - a cash-grab of a movie without much ambition beyond expanding unnecessarily on the series' already gross monstrous pregnancy/motherhood motifs. "Alien 3" before it at least aspired to delivering a beautifully-designed dark fantasy element to the series, between competing rewrites that did the whole production few favors - at its best moment,s, that sequel came off a bit like "Dark Crystal" mixed with "Little Red Riding Hood" IN SPACE - but "Resurrection" just looked and felt like an obligatory parable about how corporations and fathers are bad, m'kay? Skip, unless the politics are important to you!
The Predator monster-mashes seem to be crowd-pleasers for at least a subset of "Predator" fans, but comes off almost as goofy as the old "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf-Man and Dracula" or "King Kong vs. Godzilla" type movies: schlock for the kiddies, sometimes fun to get together with a few friends to throw popcorn at, but mostly inferior to both "Alien" and "Predator", easily managing to be a sum that is less than any of the original components it was crafted from. How many of these were there, two, three, four? "Predator" was OK if a bit goofy and over-the-top at times, but it's a different animal from "Alien" and "Aliens", and the mix of the two franchises just feels uneasy to me. Check out "Predator", but skip the crossovers, along with the Predator sequels, unless you're in the mood to get high with some friends and have a few laughs at some insubstantial entries in the series (the original "Predator" does eventhis better without the "Alien" component, anyway!)
"Covenant" was a disappointment for me: I didn't go into that one with high expectations, given that sequels are rarely in anything like the same class as the original, but I was still unprepared for how disappointed I was by "Covenant". I'm not sure where Ridley Scott was coming from on this one - I think he was a bit stung by the poor reception of "Prometheus" before it, and chose to make a more conventional sci-fi/horror movie, and it just lacks any of the charm or weight for me of the more ambitious "Prometheus" and "Romulus". I might not be giving it enough credit based on my single viewing of it, but perhaps the reasoning went sort of like 'OK, so you wanted more Aliens in Prometheus and less moody allegory? Well, here's a movie full of xenomorphs and big loud stuff going on without much of a story behind it!" That didn't work for me as someone who enjoyed "Prometheus", and I don't think it worked for anyone who didn't like "Prometheus", either - I think this sequel has fewer fans than almost any of the others! I might watch it again to see if it grows on me after a second viewing, but on the whole, I say "Skip!"
Honorable mentions go to the '60s "B-movie" sci-fi/horror classics that helped inspire the Alien franchise: "Planet of the Vampires" and "It: The Terror from Beyond Space" (both of which are clear predecessors to "Alien"), and "THEM!" (the giant ant movie, which was surely lurking somewhere in the subconscious of the people who made "Aliens", with the traumatized little girl who survived the ant attacks, and scenes of the US military stomping around in dark sewer tunnels under the city looking for a giant monster queen insect and her nest to eliminate before nukes need to be employed.) These three movies were perhaps not as good as "Alien" and "Aliens", but definitely have memorable moments (I've always found "IT! the Terror from Beyond Space" to be pretty scary for a movie of its vintage - the scene where one of the monster's victims is discovered in the air vents is actually scarier than the equivalent scene from "Alien"!), and these three movies are still fine examples of the sci-fi/horror subgenre at the end of the day in spite of being products of low-budget '60s effects and production!
...and the highest grossing movie in the franchise to this day.
My first watch of prometheus was actually the "chaos edit" that adds all scenes back. And let me tell you, the movie NEEDS an extended version with everything left in. It's objectively garbage without the context of the scenes they stripped for no apparent reason. I don't consider the version that people saw in theaters to be the real version. So starting with discounting missing scenes is unfortunate. I agree with everything besides that.
Where can I watch the chaos edit ?
I too would like to know where to watch said “chaos edit”?
I believe the "Power of Christ" edit is one in the same , from how it's described...
agree, this movie would have been so much more popular if they hadn't removed all the shit that makes it make sense.
@@midnightblue3285idk but I'm looking it up ye ol bay of the pirates ☠️ never heard of this version!!
I find the engineers by far the most interesting and fascinating aspect of this franchise. It's sucha a cool concept.
I hope we get to see plenty more of them in the upcoming films and/or series.
David and Weiland Yutani Industries must have a long conversation with them.
People are garbage. They just like the low brow alien horror stuff. Prometheus is the first alien film I actually liked due to the story they told. I love the engineers and was rooting for them to wipe out humanity. It’s always been a dream of mine to have a superior alien species wipe us out, not cause of resources, but cause they find us inferior and worthless. I wouldn’t mind going out under that directive, I’d respect it. I mean as long as it’s after GTA6 though.
@@AndréVilaFranca the concept is just a rehash of chariots of the gods. Or Zechariah sitchens Annunaki story.
Aliens making humans is nothing new, but this is one of the most nonsensical and pretentious executions of that idea.
The space jockey was meant to be something truly alien. From an ancient world we can’t comprehend. Not a guy in a suit.
@@God-k5b why would that be a dream of yours?
how can we get more of something when they got destroyed already lol
@@God-k5b well they got wiped out by a android so they were the inferior ones lol
The abs confirms, Jesus is an Engineer.
He learn how to get the gains when he went with them to come back and be crucified.
Prometheus was by far the best movie in the alien franchise.
I love Prometheus it’s one of my favorites in the franchise and not because of the characters or anything but mainly the whole engineer storyline and idea is what I love and how it ended up leading to the creation of xenomorphs. I love the ancient alien stories and tablets in real life so this movie was right up my alley I guess.
Lessons of days gone by teach us of what will come to pass.
Those who reach enlightenment shall rejoice with the Ori forever.
I like the take that the Engineer was extra bad mood because they hit a woman, which their species didn't have anymore.
I think the Engineers may have lost their procreation ability, but had enormously long lives, so they were a shrinking population. They found/created a hyper evolving creature into an egg, sacrificed an Engineer to bring the deacon into existence. But do the xeno species also take on more emotional traits from their host? Someone peacefully choosing to give themselves maybe makes a calmer baby, rather than hyper violent baby. So the deacon was a creator not a killer.
No evidence for this that I know of, but would be an interesting fill in on why they worshipped and not feared the xenos.
I think it is possible the deacon in the movie is a confused its a new born child not aggrasive and violent, trying to comunicate and its react agaisn't any attack thats so normal, and I don't think it died either, I think its still alive.. the hybrid from the covenant movie its been killed
The problem with this film is the fan theories/explanations are more interesting and thoughtful than the actual story we got...
@@GonzoTehGreatthat’s literally what makes artwork GOOD bro. It sparks imagination and more creativity. Y’all are just basic thinkers with no imagination of your own or something.
They worshipped xenos because they're crucial for their creation of other life. The host thing makes zero sense as all xenos naturally birthed follow the hive mind of the hive queen. They don't have personalities
@@ericburton1244 It's still a poor story that only leaves so much to work with for theories because it is large in its ideas but shallow in its depths no real volume in its story.
The engineers on the planet were closer to the philosopher engineers at the beginning of Prometheus where one of them sacrificed themselves. The ones with the biosuits were a different faction who were venerated as heroes and explorers hence why the ones on the planet reacted with awe and veneration to a returning juggernaut
The beings on Planet 4 in Covenant were not Engineers. just one of their created races like us.
Exactly. If I was R. Scott, I would make engineering lore that has 2 factions. The creators and destroyers. The waterfall engineer has a Disk shaped ship, not a Juggernaut, and are wearing robes not bio-mech suits. It could be like a war of angels in heaven, one group wanting to destroy earth. This could create a connection to biblical Nephelim stories and Annunaki Enki vs. Enlil. It also mirrors the concepts of Vishnu and Kali, the gods of destruction and rebirth. It would make a great new lore.
They're the Engineers. Ridley Scott said so himself.@@markmcbride3435
Exactly what I was thinking that’s why they looked happy to see the ship
@@markmcbride3435 Ridley Scott says otherwise.
This could have been literally the coolest movie of all time. All these concepts HAVE to be put into a series of movies or tv show... someones gotta put all of this stuff together and make a movie if ridley wont. These are the coolest concepts to play with of all time.
Ask the folks at Disney & 20th Century, they are very hard-nosed folks that are very resistant to new ideas outside the box…
Go watch Raised by Wolves. You'll love it.
I did not see the thumbnail before clicking, so I was genuinely looking forward to actual lore about actual engineers
If David created xenomorphs, how did the Engineers previously paint a mural of a Queen?
I think because the black goo on tbe Prometheus planet went through a long life cycle (in through a males ear, who had sex with Shaw, who conceived a fetus, which was removed early , which became a squid, which attacked an engineers, which birthed the neomorph) to create aneomorph. The neomorph looks like a xenomorph but without the mechanical look. Hence, David must have used the neomorph as a basis that he improved in to create the xenomorph.
So neomorphs who seem to derive from the black goo, after being transmitted to different animals, must have been occurring on that planet for a long time.
Some other guys have good explanations... in short the engineer birthed xenomorph when it could no longer reproduce itself so it worshiped the new creation ( they made it themselves and worshiped it)
The lore in Prometheus was perfectly fine. It was the absolute abysmal writing for the actions of the crew.
I’ve heard it said that the crew portion of the writing is from an earlier script before it was made into a part of the alien franchise.
Doesn't make any sense. They don't pieces eandom shit together and call it a day lmao
.. It's 'Romulus' that STINKS. +
Take a step back and think for a second and it's obvious it was intentional. The captain meets her end because she didn't plot a better course, the map maker got lost, the biologist decided to pet a 3 foot worm with teeth, the pilot hit the only other space ship on the planet. Every person on this doomed journey met a terrible fate specifically because they were too proud to admit they don't know as much as they claim to, even the engineer at the end loses because he couldn't just let the one already doomed human go and had to prove he was better than us. Pride cometh before the fall: the movie, featuring the xenomorph's junkie cousin
@@onojioboardwalk9748 It was alright.
People complain when there’s no originality in the theaters, but when there is, even if it’s in an already established universe, people complain
I mean if the movie is a bad movie no amount of originality is going to make it good...just like being a retread doesn't automatically make a movie bad, predictable maybe but could still be well done and enjoyable.
Taking other people’s ideas and ruining them is not originality
Lmaoooo, “Jesus was real and he was an alien/humanity is just a science project” are literally cliches at this point, so much so that it’s a throwaway gag at the end of the original two Men in Black movies.
Originality doesn't matter if it's poorly done. Prometheus had an interesting concept but the execution just wasn't there.
@@slang1517 aliens was a backstory to what he was trying to tell. He didn’t take someone’s story. Filling the lore in a universe is awesome unless the story is a sort of rehashing of the original
The less we know, the more frightened we are.
I think it's more like; the less humanoid the more frightening. If the first Alien showed space jockey as this bald greek statue... I'd never be as interested in the lore.
@@tampakmurni right. The space jockey was amazing because it was so alien. Ridley really didn’t understand that, since he made it into a guy in a suit.
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I have found my people.
Make alien alien again.
(NOT a political statement, ef that guy)
And the more we learn, the more things we realize we don’t know… weird, right?
I do like the Jesus theory. But we all know how crazy people get with stuff like that.
Honestly, Prometheus is one of my favorites in the Alien franchise. It added so much depth to the lore, left us with tons of questions, and really sparked my interest
I honestly always thought that the Jesus stuff was the most interesting take on the Prometheus lore, I think is clear that it was a strong idea that could not see the day of light, officially, because It would have shut down the projects even before filming
For the fossilization plot hole you could argue the atmosphere in Prometheus preserved the bodies that would have been fossilized as well. We see a bit of that as shaw with crew quickly seal off specimens. In fact the mural itself began to decay and rot once the atmosphere changed
I'm definitely a Prometheus fan! Squad
Sad you hate Dan O' Bannon and HR Giger and their creative efforts so much
the biggest problem I have with the Prometheus/Alien lore is how the prequel movies Prometheus and Covenant have such advanced and slick modern looking technology but the original Alien 1 and 2 have very retro 90s style analog technology.
it makes you feel detached from the experience and immersion.
I liked Prometheus and Covenant. Romulus was a bit on the stupid side. Anyway, don't overthink it. Remember, Hulu/Disney owns the franchise now and they tend to muck everything up that they touch.
Right off rip we’re talking about David creating the Xenomorphs which is completely false and covered in the movies. Xenos are thousands if not millions of years old, as evidenced by the fossilized Space Jockey with a chest buster wound on LV-426.
David is recreating something similar to a xenomorph by using what he’s learned by studying engineers and their technology
You don’t get it. Ridley retconned the first movie. The space jockey was an engineer. A guy in a suit, not a fossil. Something like the xenomorph existed in the past, similar to the deacon/neo morph. David altered them to create the xenomorphs. In covenant he invents the first facehuggers.
@@slang1517 It's not necessary to retcon any of the previous movies for Prometheus and Covenant to fit in without contradiction with said previous movies. The Space Jockey was a guy in an organic suit AND it was a fossil. David's "Wolf" was not a true xenomorph but it did look similar. Had he actually created them there would be no need for the Wolf to look so different, they just would have used the regular xenomorph.
@@h8uall66 But originally, Giger's Space Jockey sculpture was conceptually a biomechanoid, not a guy in a suit. I consider that a retcon. The design is noticeably different, with the Engineer being much smaller.
The Xenomorph design also changed in every movie. The Alien in Covenant looks more like the original than James Cameron's version.
Prometheus and Covenant take place before Alien. David coincidentally creates something almost identical to the original facehugger/xeno, and we are given no indication at this point in the timeline that Facehuggers/xenos existed prior, or that David has ever seen them before.
The simplest explanation for this coincidence is that David created the creature that would eventually become the original Alien. Ridley has said this.
@@slang1517 " The Alien in Covenant looks more like the original than James Cameron's version."
OK, now you're just not making any sense. They look VERY different. The wolf is entirely organic with no "biomechanics."
"we are given no indication at this point in the timeline that Facehuggers/xenos existed prior, or that David has ever seen them before."
Except for all those eggs and facehuggers on the murals in Prometheus.
"Ridley has said this."
When?
@@h8uall66 The Wolf is CGI, but if you look up 'protomorph', you can see the head is closer to the original.
"Except for all those eggs and facehuggers on the murals in Prometheus. "
If you look at the mural closely, you will see those are not typical facehuggers, but rejected concept art from Alien. These are precursors to the facehugger, similar to the trilobite.
Similar things existed, but David made the xenomorph as it appears in the original movie.
You can find quotes from Ridley, and Mr H did a recent video on this.
To understand Prometheus, you need to know the story of Enlil and Enki as well as the Epic of Gilgamesh.
The ancient cuneiform tablets talk about how Sumerian kings lived for thousands and sometimes tens of thousands of years before the flood. The Anunnaki brothers, Enki and Enlil, supposedly genetically modified primates on Earth to create humans as a new slave race to replace the Igigi who were revolting and no longer wanted to work for the Anunnaki.
Enlil was like the warlord general brother while Enki was like the mad scientist/geneticist who was tasked with creating humans. But while Enlil just wanted a mindless slave race, Enki gave humans the divine spark that basically made us eternal light beings with the potential to become greater than the Anunnaki. I believe the awakened engineer was confused/angry not because they hit Shaw but because the Engineer realized the humans do have the potential to surpass them as evidenced by their creation of David.
This is why Enlil eventually decided to flood Earth to wipe out humans, but Enki tipped off some humans (aka Noah in the Bible). When Enki found out, he got angry, but he decided to just shorten human lifespans instead. That's basically the Babylonian version of the story of creation and Noah lol.
Also, what's interesting is the Epic of Gilgamesh is, in part, about how Gilgamesh is trying to find the secret to immortality. Or actually he's trying to find out the secret to how humans lived so long in the old days. He seeks out Biblical Noah (I forgot what his name was in Sumerian), because Noah survived the flood and supposedly knew the secret.
But when he finally finds him, Noah tells him he's out of luck since only humans who were around from before the flood could live that long. Then there are stories about how pre-flood was the Altlantis empire and how Atlanteans became corrupt and evil, which is also why Enlil wiped out humans. But Enlil really just didn't like humans and found them to be annoying as they became bigger in population and more of a threat lol. This is all stuff I got from podcasts/UA-cam videos from people like Matt LaCroix and Billy Carson who study this stuff lol.
There are more stories you can study, I think maybe you are discovered the ancient stories new ? and abotu the matt and billy they are controled government agents, don't take them much seriusly.. they don't gave every deep hidden informations, they mix the informations with their own agenda
Sumerian Noah is Utnapishtim
I like the write up!
Possibly throw in The Golden Bough as well?
And how does this explain Prometheus
This explains Gnosticism
Engineer + Decon blood= Human.
Human + Decon blood + Sex(H2) = Face squid.
Face squid + Engineer= Decon
Exzachary
I loved Prometheus and wished there would have been way more scenes with and about the Engineers
The real answer is that Ridley wanted David to be the source and didn't care at all about previous canon or his new idea fitting in.
I don't understand people. Prometheus is a great addition to the alien universe. I was thrilled to see a new prequel coming out. I feared Prometheus trashing scared investors into halting any new projects. Usually thats what happens to shows who get trashed...they don't get sequel or anything.
Prometheus is garbage
@@monkeyzorr3090low iq response.
Look, i like prometheus but it still doesn't change the fact that it is a terrible movie. Think of it as a cold and dry pizza with bad toppings. I'm still gonna eat it and like it but it doesn't mean that it is a good pizza, it just means that i really like pizza. And the pizza in this metaphore stands for "sci-fi movie with several alien races and mythological elements about creation of our species."
@@ericburton1244 extremely low IQ
@@kivilife yeah sure what ever. Going online to complain about movies they don't like. Makes a lot of sense. You should read my comments about fast and furious 5-10. Actually I never wrote anything about them. It's pointless. Capiche?
Oh man I can't tell you how much I love the Prometheus lore. We are out here sir 👍
Sad you hate Dan O' Bannon and HR Giger and their creative efforts so much
Yeah, more than you know.
The similarities between Engineers and the beings in the Scorn game seem relative in a way. Prove me wrong
OK.. They are not connected in any way that game uses art or is inspired by HR Giger, who created the alien look originally.
Theory 4 is the best one by far. That explains why the body is fossilized, why it is so big, and where the Engeneering we know comes from.
I hope they finish off David’s story, they left it wide open. I am also one of the 10 people who liked Prometheus, and one of the 6 people who liked Covenant, and would like to see how David’s story ends up.
You would have to think it would be the biggest bloodbath so far. 2000 colonists and only Tennessee and Dany would have the faintest idea of what the f is going on. Sounds intriguing to me, but alas...
Me too!
You can count me in, that way it's 21 Prometheus fan in the world.
I thought hebsaid 10 😅 so here's to 12 or 22 🤗
@@nemya9586 To be fair, I never understanded why people doesen't like that movie, and Covenant, it's just another perspective of the xenomorf story. After all, you are welcome in the club. 😄
@danielbarta2693 the more I learned how the Goo works the more I've come to appreciate covenant. But man I really wanted the Paradise sequel 😮💨
@@nemya9586 Yeah, there is hope that some day it will be made, but not too much.
I would be happy if they write a book or comic from the original concept of that movie. It would be better than nothing, for me atleast.
I love Prometheus! It's one of those movies I watch once a year.
💯👍🏾💯
Loved the opening scene
Yup itll never get old
Starting to think that mural is not actually a mural but an actual creature that the whole "facility" grew from.
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
Get your original thoughts out of here! lol jk jk
Interesting thought.
There is another deleted scene in Prometheus where the engineer confirms that they "took one of our children" and raised it themselves to put them back on our planet to "save" us but we crucified him.... That was the straw that broke the camels back and then point the engineers realized we were too barbaric and should just be whipped out.
I think most of you guys that are crítical with the movie is because you don’t get outta your room.
It was a good movie. It had an easy to follow story while still being able to sneak in lore. It had its subtle scariness about how real it felt sometimes.
Great video.
Definitely a huge fan of the Alien Universe and absolutely loved Prometheus. This is a great video, enjoyed watching it.
I was never sold on the space jockey being "fossilized." Dallas really had no idea what he was looking at. I thought that Prometheus made it pretty clear that the space jockey/engineer was simply inside a suit of some sort.. and not actually fossilized.
and still alive
In support of fossilization, "Alien" is in many ways an uncredited remake of the '60s Italian sci-fi/horror classic "Planet of the Vampires".
In that movie, a military patrol ship responds to what they think is a distress signal (later revealed to be a warning) on a gloomy, cloudy alien world, finds a derelict alien star ship that had been abandoned there thousands of years before, complete with a crew of fossilized alien giants dead from mysterious causes, which turn out to have been the titular race of alien psychic vampire parasites that the human explorers accidentally release from their ancient graves to kill off the human explorers one by one until a prototypical Final Girl character - along with a male lead - finally destroy the vampires by luring them onto their ship and blowing them up, while escaping in a "lifeboat".
It's more or less the same story, without H.R. Giger's brilliant biomechanical surrealism, and with a bit of '60s Italian sci-fi/horror B-movie schlock like garish fake blood effects, vampire zombies, and psychic alien ghosts, and "Alien" is as a result one of those rare cases where the remake is better than the original.
With "Planet of the Vampires" as a model, one can infer that the "Space Jockey" was probably originally conceived of as an alien fossil on a derelict ship thousands of years old, containing a patient parasitic monster waiting for its next victims to arrive... the alien corpses in this older movie were quite reminiscent of the "Space Jockey" , but are quite clearly fossilized alien mummies or skeletons!
And for more fun with precursors to the classic "Alien", check out another great '60s sci-fi/horror classic, "IT: The Terror from Beyond Space!" In that movie, you also get a crew of human explorers setting down on a desolate, dark, and gloomy alien world in response to a distress call - this time the planet Mars after a failed previous expedition is lost - where the explorers accidentally unleash a parasitic horror from the distant past which they accidentally bring back onto their rocket ship with them, where it then kills off the crew one at a time, until the crew can try to blow it into space on the return to Earth. This movie played with the (now outdated) conception of Mars as a dying/dead Earth-like world of dried-up Martian canals and ruins built by an intelligent civilization driven to the brink of extinction as the seas of Mars dry up and vanish: the titular alien parasite of this movie is another vampire, one of the last surviving Martians, which had been driven into hibernation thousands of years ago by the death of Mars, to wait among the old ruins and fossils of Mars for its next victim to show up.
I'm old enough to have been around before "Alien" was released, and given the background of "B movie" sci-fi horror films and Weird Tales-inspired pulp sci-fi horror from the likes of Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith, it seemed natural for those of us watching at the time before "Aliens" and the other sequels to read between the lines of "Alien" to infer that the "Space Jockey" (as it would later be known) was an alien explorer who had encountered the alien on its travels, and had been killed off by it, leaving only its "distress signal" / warning behind telling everyone else to stay away. (There is, incidentally, a similar assumption for Carpenter's contemporary sci-fi/horror "The Thing", where we understood the "Thing" to be a "hijacker" which attacked the saucer crew, causing it to crash onto Earth thousands of years ago, to wait patiently for its next victims to arrive.
For a brilliantly written pulp horror precursor to "Alien", see Clark Ashton Smith's "The Vaults of Yoh-Vombis", written back in 1932 - its combination of moody gothic atmosphere, nightmarish body horror, and vaguely surreal science fiction read and feel decades ahead of their time! Yet again, it's a tale of explorers on Mars unearthing a parasitic nightmare from out of the gulfs of time, hidden among the fossilized dead of a long-extinct Martian civilization....
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But, don't get me wrong: "Alien" leaves a lot to our imagination, and we've got decades of sequels, prequels, spin-offs, and re-imaginings built onto it, so there's no reason to think that the impression of fossilized aliens is the only right answer!
@@pietrayday9915 👽🕸
@@midnightblue3285 The space jockey had a giant hole in his chest. Pretty sure he wasn't alive.
@@treadstone1138 Do you mean the engineer ? I gave refference to new born hybrid space jokey, not the engineer, about the enginner it doesn't matter, the techologicaly advanced species can bring back the enginner with cloning or if they don't clone him human enginners can scan his mind wave and data memory transfer it on somewhere save server or the mind of the android or as a data in the computers..
You fundamentally misunderstood the Jesus thing. The deleted dialogue from Prometheus says the engineers brought a child to their home world to teach him, then sent him back to earth.
They never said Jesus was an engineer. They implied Jesus was TAUGHT BY ENGINEERS.
The whole subtexts and context of bible under meaning line in Alian movie is in the fact of life Ridley Scott. (Even main character in original movie named “Reply”-Ridley is not big difference right?)
So here is what you got here. Engineers as the symbol of creators of the franchise “Alien” should choose one ☝️ who would sacrifice his artistic talent in public media to satisfy demand of his creation funs.
Yes, exactly. First movie is all about how Ridley “Reply” find out the screenplay of the “alien”. The whole story told by Quentin Tarantino many times.
The Prometheus reveal us the origin of the Alien + shows us the creators “Engineers”(special effect engineering team under management of the director)
The movie of the Alien skyrocketed career of all team members who worked under first 2 movies in the Franchise, except Ridley Scott.
Yes, it’s spuds weird to Americans and Hollywood obsessed people, but Ridley is English and they have Shakespeare and Adele. Sir Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis is a perfect example of movie influencer who doesn’t need to do art for money. This is why Ridley shows us Sacrifice scene in the beginning of Prometheus. (In interviews about Alien five he said many times that people probably tired from Aliens, and after Covenant he accepted that he was wrong)
This is how you should analysed the whole Franchise of “Alien” universe. It’s all about Ridley Scott and his life struggles of the perception real art (What Sir Daniel Michael Blake Day-Lewis do and what fans demands him to do)
Don’t get me wrong, but Ridley probably doesn’t have a lot of respect for projects like Avatar 2 and Cameron scale level. He doesn’t have an opportunity to become second Cameron, because he want to do something to become the one. (Aliens directed by Cameron is also second movie after “Terminator” success, which wasn’t even achieved during the shooting of Aliens if you know the story behind why they force the whole employee to watch “Terminator” at the beginning of Aliens production process to stop arguing with Cameron)
@@gaius-juliuscaesar3979what a reach, not sure what hat u pulled all that out of
@@chronicwizdom8638 LA Film Academy 2019-2023 Bachelor in the Science of Theatrical Direction
Prometheus was badass. Covenant was blah. The engineer backstory is dope and adds depth to the Alien franchise. Get a lil' something new each movie. just my opinion, which I'm sure everyone is super stoked to hear, lmao
Prometheus suffered from being an Alien movie
Alien is not a movie
Alien is not a series
Alien is not a character
Alien is an aesthetic
How could one hate Prometheus one of the best movies in the Alien universe
From a Stellaris perspective, i like to think that the Engineers where one of the, if not, the oldest species at their peak in Galactic history, they observed other pre-ftl civies, did experiments and started creating their own, but at some point they became stagnant, to comfortable to the point where they became infertile, they tried everything they could to change this, to no avail, their desperation grew so much that they became a Fallen Empire, but they eventually found the Primordial Xenomorphs and their potential, they started extracting the black goo and viewed it as a miracle, slowly their remaining civilization started turning religious and decided to clean the slate with some of their other species, but they still couldn't fix their own problem, they all died in the end, only their technologies left behind, hell, maybe they even created the Yautja, deemed them too primitive, similar to the humans, but they left them almost intact, maybe that's why the Yautjas hate them or view them as rivals, because the Engineers tried to guide them on their own ways, or maybe tried to wipe them out, but the Yautjas fought back, but at the cost of their civilization suffering and their Planet getting glassed, but their retained some of their tech and also were able to integrate some of the Engineers own, and that's why they're even more advanced than humans.
Idk, i like to go wild with these kind of stuff.
Love it 🙏
I kinda like your ideas. I also like the doglike creatures from the Aliens/Predator Rage War books who the Yautja were aware of who where allegedly extinct but had tech way ahead of even their species. Great book series btw that I highly recommend if anyone is looking for a good read. I would love to see that series of books adapted into the movies.
I love these ideas! I also go wild with theories and lore connecting whenever I start hyperfixating on a property XD
The alien franchise has always been very sorta intimidating lore-wise to me lol
My current hyperfixation is trying to fit all the GTA games together in my headcanon XD (GTA 3 happens pre-9/11 in my mind for example)
One thing I realized about Hollywood in general: the people watching a video like this care alot more about the internal consistency of the lore in cinematic universes than the people making the movies.
I always took it as David did not engineer the xenomorph. But that the Engineers had deconstructed the xenomorph to be used as a bioweapon. The black goo, once exposed to something to mutate, began rebuilding itself. With every generation developing into the xeno we all know. David just sped up the process by generations.
Perhaps the Engineers developed the Xenos or they found them.
There’s one before David ever made it . Idk what the creator of this video is talking about . David recreated a weapon the engineers had long before created .
The engineer was literally about the kill that veteran predator in the comic, the human hid and shot it with some extremely powerful flame thrower like alien gun which staggered the engineer but it was still whopping their asses and the predator had to drop his nuke to kill it . Engineers > Preds
For the sake of the argument, there were many forms of Predator(Yautja).
In Prey there is a Predator that fights H2H with a grizzly bear and thats freakin crazy, there were also a Predator tribe that preyed on other Yautja.
I think the engineers are far more advanced and basically immortal but when it comes to hunting or combat, the Yautja are unmatched.
They would kill anything in single combat whether it be a alien queen or a Engineer.
@@Smoothalcoholic I dont believe the form of predator has much to do with this. It was your traditional predator in this fight but a very combat experienced one named Ahab. He had some of the most trophies and battle scars to his name. His ranked is 'elder" , elder doesnt mean old, it means very experienced . The engineer still dominated and won fairly in hand to hand combat despite the predator having the jump and using wrist blades and staff. The engineer had the reach advantage, strength advantage and just straight up fought better. At one point it literally put Ahab in a headlock then it went on to break his upper arm or pop his shoulder .
Even after the human sniped the engineer in the chest and gave the predator a chance, the engineer quickly recovered and the predator basically had to run away in a ship with the human and drop his nuke which was a cheap shot
Yup, that was wild
@@cherrypoptart2001 It has everything to do with it, the Predator from Avp 2 soloed a Xeno hive and a Predator xeno queen. One engineer would not stop that guy, Also i reckon the engineer would get bodied by a grizzly.
@@Smoothalcoholic Wolf predator from AVP2 was an "elite" predator, the predator that fought the engineer was a more skilled predator crowned the rank of "elder" . If an engineer can defeat at elder predator in hand to hand combat, an elite predator stands almost no chance .
The way that Ahab got manhandled in that comic, it was worse than what the predalien did to wolf predator at the end of AVP2 on top of that roof .
Cesarean section, not abortion.
Mummified, not fossilized.
(B+)
"Fossilized" is probably fair - I think the implication is that the body was there for a VERY long time and had indeed moved from mere mummification into fossilization in that environment - at least, that was the case in the original movie, I think, based on what I vaguely remember of the Aland Dean Foster.novelization back in the '80s, and more clearly remember from the prototypical "Planet of the Vampires" made a few years before "Alien" (which follows pretty much the same plot, and features a fossilized alien skeleton on a very ancient crashed starship infested by psychic vampires instead of Giger-monsters....)
"Caesarean Section" is absolutely the term the video's narrator missed, though! Given that the monster had acid blood and was growing at a nightmarish speed in a part of the human anatomy that was never meant to contain it, anything but a carefully-performed, medically-assisted live birth would have surely been catastrophic....
It definitely wasn’t a cesarean section, as that’s not the actually surgical procedure witnessed in the movie. What we see it a failed attempt at an abortive-type surgical procedure
You are not going to be asked to perform my c-section
Also, in the Predator 2 movie, there is a Xenomorph skull in the Yautja ship.
@@pietrayday9915 I mean, it's basically impossible for it to fossilize without being exposed to enough minerals for those minerals to completely replace the engineer's structure. So in a spacecraft, it couldn't fossilize.
David didn't create Xenomorphs, the Protomorphs we see in Covenant are similar but 1) don't have the biomechanical fratures that make the OG Xenomorphs so iconic and 2) don't even have the same lifecycle; the eggs are bigger and they entirely skip the "snake" phase.
What I think we see is a black goo driven case of convergent evolution. Convergent evolution is when species that are very separated and share little DNA with each other develop the same "features". I think the black goo *tends* to make Xenomorphy things as demonstrated by the Neomorphs (the white animalistic aliens that spread via spores from Covenant), David's Protomorphs, The Deacon and the final monster from Romulus.
This makes sense when you take the whole "perfect organism" thing literally. The black goo is an evolutionary accrlerant and Xenomorphs are the most evolved lifeform that exists, so everything it touches will get mutated to be more Xenomorph-like
says there were no female engineers.. @6:38 look at the crowd, i see two females right off the bat
I was just about to write something similar. Thanks!
arguable, if we should count them as Engineers or are they the same as us
Is that not a female left of the frame at 6:38 time stamp?
Andoids have their engineers (humans), humans have engineers (engneers tm), and engineers have engineers. l like this cycle.
The engineer being fossilized bothers me because of the fan base. If you really look at the engineers in prometheus, their suits are their skin. Those tough bonelike exoskeleton are a part of them. Just look at the neckline, and you can see it gradually soften. The engineers engineer themselves
Why can't both be true? Look at the thing born at the end of Romulus.
That's just the black goo reacting to the base engineer DNA in all humans. And given this goo was from a xenomorph and not a deacon is why it's more xeno like
What bothers the Alien fans is the fact the Space Jockey is nothing but another generic humanoid Star Trek-ish alien. The dead pilot Giger created was supposed to be some other wordly weird bio mechanical monstrosity forever fused to the chair & the ship for only a specific purpose.
@@changsangma1915 While I agree with the Geiger statement, I wouldn't necessarily call the Engineers Star Trek. Mostly, this is because the ST aliens are just coincidentally humanoid, while in Prometheus, they are our progenitors. They don't look like us, we look like them.
@@r.babylon2885 ... its not just the fans issue with the movie, the whole Engineer lore has problems, it's not well thought out and for some reason the director decided to kill them off while still managing to confuse whether those were Engineers or another off shoot humanoids created by them. Whatever it is, the director was not thinking straight to visualize the world building of Engineer species for anyone to care about.
Today we learn: Are androids extra offensive to engineers?
I grew up in a very religious and sheltered home, so I didn’t have a lot of access to movies that most people watched, like the Alien movies. When I was 20 I saw Prometheus in theaters and absolutely loved it. Still do ❤
I loved Prometheus and the idea that JC was an engineer was pretty awesome. I wish we had gotten a true sequel and the ending to that story.
If you really think about it. Everybody says that they are in the minority that actually liked Prometheus. But if everybody is saying that they’re the “minority “ … are we really the minority?
When the movie came out people compared it to what came before and from that perspective it was bad.
But now people compare it with what came out after and from that perspective it's good.
Same with Star Wars 1-3
I feel like from an outsiders perspective (and Alien fan) that Prometheus and Covenant ruins the lore & mystique of the Xenomorphs and Engineers because since 1979 the audience hasn’t a clue where these extraterrestrial beings originate. I don’t know if Ridley Scott though it was a good idea or not to expand the universe and give a subtle history to these beings. Given my attitude towards Covenant, and how much I dislike it the most, David playing God and these religious themes messes with my mind because it makes no sense as a science fiction viewer. But as long as I turn my brain off and don’t think about it I will never be bother. Good video anyway Ryan!
People are garbage. They just like the low brow alien horror stuff. Prometheus is the first alien film I actually liked due to the story they told. I love the engineers and was rooting for them to wipe out humanity. It’s always been a dream of mine to have a superior alien species wipe us out, not cause of resources, but cause they find us inferior and worthless. I wouldn’t mind going out under that directive, I’d respect it. I mean as long as it’s after GTA6 though.
honestly, I think aliens ruined the mystique more. the alien in alien is a horrifying thing that was on an ancient alien spaceship. in aliens, they're just big bugs that live in a hive and have a queen, and there's presumably a planet that these bugs are native to. I prefer the idea that they're the end result of an advanced race messing with genetics, but it's ok if not everyone agrees. I like to think there's two canons, the aliens canon, and the ridley scott canon.
@@God-k5b so, you hate humans? Now I understand why people like Prometheus
@@God-k5bgarbage trash idea prolly why u got no friends
@@slang1517 just weak whiney ones. It seems like the more freedoms we have the less disciplined we are and make our own issues. I hope we have an authoritarian government one of these days that makes us suffer like we did during mideval times. I would gladly be oppressed to see everyone around me have real problems to complain about.
I have my own theory for the eggs on lv223. The ship and the engineer is ancient, 10s or 100s of thousands of years old, from when their culture was at their absolutely peak(and black goo/gene manipulation/weapons program as well). Lv223 was their main R&D hub, well away from their home world. In their desire to create the perfect organism with the goo, leaving it up to evolution on disparate worlds was coming up short, so they manipulated the goo directly to create the xenomorphs. It went badly, destroying the research hub, and all the goo.
The world we see David destroy is their society at its lowest. They sent ships to the same system thousands of years ago to try and salvage what they could on their new hub on lv466. That's why they were so overjoyed to see the ship return, they had done it! Recreated the black goo to rebirth their once glorious civilization....only to find out it was David on his mission of genocide. Turns out 466 couldn't replicate the work done on 223; in one of their missions to retrieve what they could, one of these new engineers found the egg room, became infected by a face hugger, ending in the destruction of the engineers last home for salvation.
People keep forgetting that Prometheus never was supposed to be a 'Alien' movie. It was supposed to be it's own, completely disconnected take on life and mythology, and when you actually know about the Epic of Gilgamesh, you will see that it is a modern interpretation on that tale, mixed with lore of ancient Greece, Romans, Christianity (rather Catholicism), and even Islam. It was meant to be a dark story, a bit morbid, and indeed, meant to have 'Alien civilizations', and expanding on the lore and mythology of potential 'ancient aliens', far more advanced than us, but us being actual 'projects', which again brings us back to things like Gilgamesh, but more in the parts of Annunaki, Enki, etc, and that DNA-alteration (which is where the Enki stories come from for example), and one could claim that the 'goo' is the 'accelerant', which it also has been called in the lore.
This further fits with the Annunaki stories where they 'accelerated' 'monkey' DNA with their own in building human 'slaves'.
The Annunaki also tells how they wanted to get rid of the humans when they rebelled, but one of the legends came in defense of mankind and 'protected' them. Again, you could argue this is clearly a reference to the 'black goo' and the scene fo David destroying the 'humanoids' on another planet.
Those on that planet having essentially 'mined' or 'did their work' for their 'rulers/creators'. The annunaki story is that mankind was 'made' just to mine for gold, which the Aliens from 'Niburu' needed for their atmosphere ( terraforming ).
In a clear 'parallel', mankind ( 'Weyland' ) created androids ( like humans do now ) in order to do 'their slave work', and when they have fulfilled their function, we'll just 'throw it at the garbage' ( destroy it ). It's an aspect not actually delved in in Prometheus, but should have been clarified as the motivation of David's worries shaping his actions. A totally non-related movie called 'I Robot' portrays this quite a bit better imho, but also in Terminator and perhaps even The Matrix.
Referencing Prometheus is fitting because the tale of Prometheus is about the 'Legend' Prometheus stealing fire (fill in whatever you want) from 'The Gods' (creators) and bringing it to mankind (fill in whatever you want), which led to them rebelling and becoming powerful, to which Prometheus was punished. His liver being eaten and being born again, to die again, in some sort of 'hell life' forever.
That was essentially the whole intention of Ridley Scott's prometheus. it did not have ANYTHING to do, originally, with ANYTHING 'Xeno'.
However, the link is easily made, Ridley Scott making an 'alien movie' immediately harks to 'Xenomorphs'.
I think a better take on his plans were, more or less, 'Raised by wolves', which is 'alien-like' without 'alien' in it, telling a tale.
Since many people got excited by the idea of Ridley Scott going back to 'Alien', this quickly got wind and got to Fox / the labels owning the rights, and started to see a chance, or signal, they could not ignore, and then movtivated Scott to implement or 'mix' Aliens into the tale, which wasn't really that 'hard' if you consider aliens, giant gods, and androids.
They then simply and CLEARLY pulled elements from AVP (the first one), changed names, and re-shaped it into what now became 'Prometheus', at the sacrifice of the original story, a lot of budget, and as a compromise.
The issue here is that you HAVE to look at Prometheus WITHOUT the 'Xeno' aspect, so WITHOUT the Deacon, and WITHOUT the 'face hugger' thing. PERHAPS you could include a diabolical atrocious 'child' born, as some crazy mutation born, due to 'David's' influence, whom recognized and knew or understood, silently, the humans origins and had a different path/objective, as it saw it as a chance to escape enslavement by his 'rulers', not important the 'before gods', as those created (biological) humans as the same, it's just the same everytime.
If you look at it at that, there is a certain 'sad' aspect missed where David itself, as an android, misses out that he has become EXACTLY the thing he hated. A reference of that however is in Covenant 'look at my works, ye mighty, and despair'. Where Walter shows his defects.
That is the true story that would have, should have, been made, and would have been a very thought-provoking and strong tale, suggesting this is how it 'always' went in the past with 'former' versions/creations/creators, and that everytime something just changes, but that Androids (Synthetics) actually are a new breed, a new change, as they are not actually 'biological', which actually very much was intentional, as it would set people to wonder, yes, but, if that goes for synthetics created by humans, and humans are created by 'Engineers' (biological too), then one might wonder, as is asked by Shaw's boyfriend 'who made them?', meaning, was the Engineers creator also 'biological', or was that an entirely different form of existance, in a more advanced plane of existance, multi-dimensional if you will.
Again, unfortunately, we did not get that story, as the big shots of the copyright holder label owners, decided that they wanted it now to include Aliens, and as such, RUINED it for Ridley Scott, who mentioned that essentially in part two that 'they wanted to see the beast'.
He essentially was 'forced' to and re-dressed into exploring where the 'Juggernaut' came from (or the guy in the chair, the pilot)
But his original vision was not what we got. One can only imagine what amazing, and crazy story we might have had if he was not 'sabotaged' by 'hollywood' so to speak. I think we really lost something there, due to corporate greed.
I can only advise everyone to look up the story of the Annunaki, just look it up on youtube, and the Epic of Gilgamesh too. Look at that story, paint that image in your head, THEN start watching Prometheus.
You'll be completely mesmerized how different Prometheus starts to look. Oh, and, erase the 'deacon' on the wall, and the whole 'facehugger' concept, look at it as parasitic and a story of rebirth.
Wanted to add, Fossils can form quickly under the right conditions, sometimes in less than a day. Thank u for the video, I enjoyed the info & the content.
Look a giant spaceship in crashing let's only run in a straight line
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
22:30 theres always a bigger fish - qui gon jinn
Prometheus was a perfectly fine film as it was. I saw someone else describe the three most recent movies as, "Covenant felt like a Prometheus movie tying in Alien, Romulus felt like an Alien movie tying in Covenant"
16:25 Yes, the alien goo David gives to Charlie by dropping it in alcohol. Correct.
Why did Wayland Yutani never go back there.
They had a whole team of scientists create data around and at least 2 space trips over there.
But the company just... never bothered with those planets again after, or?
Is stupid meng, all of it, stupid.
Not wearing space protection on hostile planet, running in straight line away from donut ship, I mean we talking stan and laurel here queue music.
I'm always sad to hear that people don't like Prometheus. It's literally one of my favorite movies ever and probably my favorite movie of The alien franchise! It's not perfect but it's so cool and keeps you wondering and guessing. I really hope they make a movie or a series about the engineers and provide all the details about them in the future!
Love the entire link between Aliens, Predator, and Prometheus. I can not get enough of people's point of view.
I'm a rare breed - Prometheus/Engineer lore fan, and not really an "Alien" fan. I've always loved Sci-fi and especially when it goes into deep lore/mythology, so Prometheus was perfect for me in that sense. Obviously it had its flaws, but I'm still devastated that they abandoned the Engineers/Shaw/David plot.
Im pretty sure the writers never get to this level, and make a movie for movies sake, and this type of head cannon creates fans with expectations that simple writers will never fulfill. Thus we get an army of haters who cancel people/creators until what we love dies.
I too often wonder if writers ever intended even 1/20th of the meaning / symbolism / backstory that us fans construct for a movie
More people like or really like Prometheus than not is my take. There is a vocal small group of people who dislike it. Alien Covenant on the other hand.
This all day. Theresa reason these lore videos are doing so well from so many creators
People are garbage. They just like the low brow alien horror stuff. Prometheus is the first alien film I actually liked due to the story they told. I love the engineers and was rooting for them to wipe out humanity. It’s always been a dream of mine to have a superior alien species wipe us out, not cause of resources, but cause they find us inferior and worthless. I wouldn’t mind going out under that directive, I’d respect it. I mean as long as it’s after GTA6 though.
I really liked both tbh I love that there’s movies giving a background to the alien universe
I’ve always said I “Generally” enjoy Prometheus, but there are a few things that are a bit annoying (mostly these supposed scientists acting like complete idiots to be honest, I’d say 90% my annoyances are from that 😂)
I was so attracted by this movie that it got it interested in the whole Alien lore, I bet I can find people here up for discussion about this topic as its really good to share our imaginations
One thing I haven’t seen anyone point out - engineers are modeled after the Statue David. Same face, also super tall and buff (moreso than that statue tho)
6:39: there is a female engineer on the left of the screen. Sadly, she is just about to be killed...
The ones on Planet 4 in Covenant were not Engineers
@@markmcbride3435 Not engineers by occupation, but has that ever been confirmed that they belong to another specie?
@@blubmuzIt takes forever to sift through the noise and find it.. but yeah they did. Pretty sure it was them talking about plans and ideas for a 3rd David film.. they mentioned Engineers show up and discover what David had to to their project. Meaning the Planet 4 people were a created race like us humans, but they were ones the Engineers liked where they didn’t like us.
That wasn’t the most interesting part.. they said the Engineers showing up would be one of FOUR different factions/ species discovering what had happened and then they all get involved to go find him. So.. assuming “Humans” might be another.. what are the other two?
@@markmcbride3435 OK, that sounds interesting, can I ask for a source?
Also, this non-engineer race, as you said, was preferred over us, but they still were destroyed... I guess Engineers maybe had a little too high standards. Why not xenomorph is the race they supposed to destroy instead of harmless (or at least less harmful) intelligent races?
@@blubmuzbruh David killed them not the engineers
1:28 make that 11
12 😂
13…here 🤣
14 checking in 🫡
15 baybee 😎
16 broo
David clearly did not create the xenomorphs he built upon what which the engineers had done already. I'm not sure why people like you think that like it clearly doesn't say that. It doesn't even insinuate it I just wonder if you paid attention to anything
@@jonathansoko1085 we literally see David invent facehugger eggs in a prequel to Alien. It’s pretty obvious, and it’s been confirmed by Ridley and people that worked on the movie
@@slang1517 no you don't you see him do his version of them. Let's ignore all of the other elements in the movie prior to those things already existing. This is very simple. He built on existing things. He did not invent or create them. He created his stuff his experiments. He did not invent them as you people seem to insinuate even though all of the lore agreed with me.
You people just like this channel use your head Canon too much
@@jonathansoko1085 Seriously? You're the one using your head cannon. I'm going by what the creators of the movie intended.
You think David just coincidentally made something that looks identical to a facehugger? Even though he'd never seen one, and there's no indication they existed already? That's just silly.
@@slang1517 You aren't though. Nice try though
I agree with what you’re saying but you have a bad attitude about it
Imagine waking up from your thousand year cryo sleep to a cockroach asking for immortality
The idea of life coming to earth from somewhere else is extremely interesting, but it is the biggest cop out of one of life's biggest questions: "How did life begin?"
I enjoyed prometheus because I'm a sucker for world building but as someone who thinks the original alien was the best movie ever made, I realize that sometimes that mystery and suspense is what makes a good story. Sometimes, knowing too much ruins it.
Where we come from and where we are going are all the same.
The power and the greatness of the Ori cannot be denied.
4:16, thats a bas relief sculpture, not a mural. Murals are flat (2 dimensional), bas relief are raised above the surface of a wall (or pylon or column).
Ngl, watching Roman Legionaries trying to fight an Engineer sounds like a fucking amazing scene.
it's interesting how you come up with theories and explanations for things that were just ad-hoc decisions of the directors of those movies, sometimes budget driven decisions.
I liked my own comment
I gave you a hand also
Updating an update will make you outdated
This how the universe works
All of this Lore and the actual story dosnt matter
David knows best
It was his duty