Agree, should be because final production decisions are based on box office success, that said Prometheus is much better than covenant, Prometheus leaves plenty of question to be answered while covenant kills that line of the story for a return to the original alien formula for those who pay tickets and want more gore and xenomorphs on screen
The Engineers appear to have a caste system similar to the Forerunners from Halo. Each member of the species is born into a caste, warrior, scientist, builder, etc. They have no wiggle room when it comes to their professions. Once you’re born into one of these castes, there’s no leaving it. When you’re born a warrior, you’ll die a warrior.
And then there's gonna be this one person who were born as a warrior but wanted to be a scientist, question their culture & rebel for what he/she believes which then inspired the whole race 😂
Halo also has the flood (which could be like xenomorphs), and structures to wipe them out in case of emergency. I've played Halo for years and it's fascinating how much Alien and Halo share with one another, even in sound and architecture, it's absolutely amazing how much of Alien is in Halo.
Ridley actually said in an interview that humans were on their last chance 2000yrs ago to change their ways. The engineers sent them a teacher who they then crucified. That's why a wipe-out ship was getting ready to launch for earth 2000yrs ago according to the nav computer.
@A M He HAD to die. He wept so bad in the garden, that he cried literal blood.... From the EXTREME stress that he knew He was going to be going thru. Remember, He was beaten so bad, they say He wasn't recognizable as a man anymore. He did that for us man.... And the pimps too. 💯
In a deleted scene, the engineer that pursued Shaw seemed amazed at some of the stuff in the crashed ship which implied high culture, books and a hologram of a child playing. Kinda sad because it implies that the Engineer sort of realizes that they may have jumped the gun with regards to the humans.
@@Sevan_UP nope it'd sound nice at first. but if humanity acquired immortality, we'd destroy Earth, each other & other species at an even faster pace. Plus look at who asked him that... weyland the literal decaying embodiment of greed and pride, Too ignorant to accept that death comes for all, him included
It makes more sense that the black goo/xenomorphs/everything in between is something the engineers naturally discovered and tried to control or manipulate. They can't control it either. Look at humans and nuclear weapons. If they were going off randomly during the development process, we'd probably stop developing them.
@@luvgzus4ever The whole idea that the goo is a evolutionary accelerator sounds stupid to anyone who understands natural selection. It behaves more like a retrovirus that injects foreign genes into the victims' DNA. My guess is that they use the black goo to inject the DNA of an extremely aggressive creature or multiple creatures they discovered. If they mastered genetics so well that they could create xenomorphs from scratch shouldn't they have used that tech to make themselves invincible (at least immune to xenomorphs impregnation)?
I think the best evidence that xenomorphs aren't entirely an Engineer construct is the fact that they seem to have a religious significance to the Engineers. Humans don't worship androids. The androids are just idols of something they do worship: themselves and the god/gods that made them in their image. The xenomorph is just them trying to recreate something they encountered. The perfect organism isn't the classic xenomorph that we all know. It's the parasite that can become its host and survive anywhere.
To futher expound on the matter, the basic Engineer religion is the worship and spread of life throughout the universe. We've seen two types of Engineers. The highly advanced ones working on the black goo and the more agrarian ones that David wiped out. It looks like two sides of the same religion to me. One group might've been horrified by the destructive nature of xenomorph-like creatures and the other might have been an apocalyptic cult that worshiped them as the ultimate life form. One side sees death and the other side sees perfected life. We have the same divisions here on Earth. There's a whole lot of people who can't wait for the apocalypse.
@@milosjovic4402 because there's this thing called "evolution". We know that humans evolved from another species, so we know we weren't created by some magic man in the sky.
In the comics is implied that Jesus Christ was a genetical modified engineer send to earth to guide them, but we all know how well it went, they became piss off after that and ended up deeming mankind as violent and dangerous, henceforth why they are trying to destroy earth with all those bio-weapons. They succeed eventually with xenomorphs reaching earth, but still got fucked over in the end.
I remember reading somewhere that this was the original idea behind the Engineers hatred of humans, but the production company or a bunch of big whigs did not receive the idea very well. I hope they make this canon.
After reading the original script it turns out that the engineers took Jesus as a boy to their home planet and taught him their ways then brought him back. Then he was crucified and that pissed the engineers off so they decided that humans should be exterminated. The original script is so much better then the movie that came out.
Yea but corrupt Hollywood don't want us believing in Jesus or religion. So they had to "dumb" it down sadly. I wish they did add that scene, would have made it even better.
Idk why people hate on Prometheus, I absolutely loved this movie and the amount of depth and backstory it brought to the universe. And the cinematography is breathtaking. I didn't enjoy Alien Covenant neeearly as much but I still appreciated the lore aspects of it even though the story was eh.
to me it was a big mistery to know where xenomorphs came from. now i know they used the "bad humanity" excuse, and the xenomorphs are basically what they are because of humans, and thats a total bullshit. to say that an entire race is going to wipe out another one that they were responsable for creating, just because they behave bad, it´s cheap and stupid. the "humans meeting its creators" was good, but the entire outcome and the way it happened, PITY
@@KittySYT stfu lol @ odyssesus; yeah me too this was a favourite of myne. It was just something about the engineers and the explorational tone of prometheus, something about discovering new things and traveling to a planet light years away using a map from millenia ago, it's just so mysterious and beautiful Shame that ridley listening to the fans resulted in covenant :/
The engineer that killed weyland was disgusted at him begging for more life and silencing the scientist shaw who was asking the right questions but was silenced with a muzzle to her c section. The engineers face was so understanding of shaws questions, that I’m convinced he understood her.
Yes he seemed both interested in Dr Shaw and had a sense of Pity for David, but he looked at Weyland actions and he indeed knew that Mankind was still a Rotten Apple
I much preferred the set up in the original Alien movies before the retcon. I loved the idea that humanity was taking it's first steps into space and finding something like a desolated galaxy, the sides involved dead by the weapons they resorted to, Great Filter-style. I liked the xenomorph as being like a metaphor for landmines on a cosmic/lovecraftian scale, as human's explored who knew what we might trigger in the dark corners of a post-apocalypic galaxy. So much potential in that idea now gone...
I love this upload too; The Engineers presented epicly, like a true superior being looks pathetically towards through the humanity, and with an absolute disgust to AI
@@mevinr72 Yeah I guess so, but like they dont do any transitioning or making it as if theres thought process involved when speaking a foreign language form an aliens perspective
@@brainwashed9380 That’s exactly his point. Don’t get so high on your own hubris that you think you can demand immortality from your own god. (The engineers in this case).
@@account4345 I got the point he was making I’m just saying dat “Don’t play god and not expect him to play back” sounds like a Christian saying but in this case there’s more than one god since the engineers are a god like species so they are gods and can be out smarted by humans. It’s probably highly unlikely for us to out smart them but in a rare occasion we could and they make mistakes just like us
After a belly full of chest busters, Xenomorphs and androids, the Engineers have been the best thing to reboot the franchise giving the whole story purpose. I find them far more sinister, scary and interesting than any chest buster. It's just sad Ridley gave into pressure and instead of making Promethues 2 and leaving Shaw alive. He created Alien Convenant making David the centre piece. I want answers to Shaws questions and Engineers to be explored in depth, not more of what we've already had over and over.
I agree we all expected that Dr Shaw would get us our Answers. But looking at David and Weyland and their Relationship and reason for Davids Creation and also why David wanted to Create is likely the same as why the Engineers created us.. which likely was because they could/test how Great they are. And/or to serve some Function
@@toastpuppy3491 Stfu, shiteater. And yes, Frieza also had a Xenomorph like form. Toriyama likes the Alien movie franchise ever since seeing the first movie.
The first of the movies gave you more of a sense of “awe” and “curiosity” toward this potential human origins story. The second didn’t have that for me. It was more of a look into the bio weaponry David harnessed and him becoming a “god”. “In order to create, one must first destroy”
Of course he didn't create the Xenomorphs. It was plainly said about the Alien film that the original idea was for the Xenos to have a complete, high functioning civilization, with the Queens and the male drones having elaborate mating rituals (involving a third party in some way) in huge temple-like structures. They were supposed to be this huge thing but R.S. was convinced to dumb it down because he was told that the average film-going audience was too stupid to understand/care about the super in-depth backstory they had. So yeah, "David" didn't create dick. He just killed loads of people because he was a psychotic robot that got out of control.
David may have figured out how to bio engineer his own xenomorph but the Engineer already did that ages ago..it's apparent when Shaw and them discover the ship. Their are massive murals of a queen xenomorph and other form of "the alien" as we know carved all over the walls. So David is just rediscovering something that knew bout ages ago
There was a scene in one of the original Alien films with a gigantic deceased Space Jockey in the pilot seat, with a huge hole cavity in his chest,that insinuates that he had gotten contaminated when either landing on a desolate planet and a distress message was sent out to the other neighboring space voyagers and Engineers,that is where that part of the prequel picks up at with Space Marines taking the SOS distress message from dead Space Jockey.
DarkestEye there’s been lore throughout the AVP and colonial marines video game franchises that shows a potential civil war between engineers... those that wanted to make weapons and those that wanted to end the practice of species creation. The lore is that all this is really about a war between two engineer factions..
Also it won't be so much about what Ridley Scott wants to do with it, but what Disney allows him to do with it. Which I guess is okay, just so long as The Queen gets to be inducted into the Disney Princess franchise.
they should jsut stop thewse movies sucked and they just dropped the engineers being humanities origin they just didnt even bother showing more and made it all about cooky maternal god complex david.. Ridley Scott used Aliens as a tool for more spooky AI android horror no one really wanted
I still think they’re very good movies, especially Covenant which to me was a really great watch. Both are pretty fascinating for how they explain the original Alien films too
In one of the films, Prometheus (I think), I remember the engineers sent someone to earth about 2000 years ago to teach them about peace and stop the violence...but humans killed him. After that they decided to wipe out their creation. I actually thought that was a good plot device which is why I remembered it.
I feel like some of the horror of Alien was not knowing anything about where the Xenomorphs or Face-Huggers had come from. The more Alien (or Alien related) movies we get, the further away from horror it becomes. Kinda makes me worried for the future of the franchise.
Well, it's a long story. The Yautja were originally known as the Hish, but were augmented by the Amengi race of alien insectoids and after their creations overpowered them, the Yautja took over their technology.
the engineers held the xenomorph in high esteem because they used its blood to save their species, and thats why their pressure suits look like the xenomorph. but they ran out of its actuall blood a loooong time ago and theyve been simulating it with a techno-organic substitute. the big engineer head in prometheus was a tribute to the first engineer to have been facehugged. this is all stuff you can find out from the original script.
I have my phases of things that I'm super into from time to time. Sometimes it will be Greek Spartans, sometimes it will be samurais, etc. Thanks to you, that phase is now aliens.... On a side note, you think you'll cover some things in the Stargate TV series?? Things like the Ancients and Asguards??
Man I can't stress enough how fucking good Prometheus is, never have I ever had such a will to know the lore of a film like this. The exploration and pacing was excellent, the discovery just so satisfying, and the mysteries behind it all perfect. The film is also creepy as fuck, and so is the set design
I had heard somewhere (I feel that it was by Ridley Scott himself) that the Engineers in the Prometheus movie are actually a splinter faction of Engineers that were disgusted by the creations of the other factions of the species and this why in Covenant we see such different Engineers and they seem sorta happy to see a ship of theirs coming back because to them it means that their brethren are returning home and accepting their pacifist way of life.
What if that engineer that we think sacrifice him self for the creation of the human race, was actually sentenced to death and he created us by accident.
Ridley destroyed the xenomorph mythos by forcing David into the role or creator. What made them so scary were the things that were unknown about them. Aliens introducing the Queen and Warrior class made it clear that they could come in any form, and further emphasized the threat they posed. Having them now be nothing more then a cyborgs pet project has made them as lame and pathetic as an experiment gone awry.
Except David did not create them. He was doing his on experiments on them but considering in Prometheus they go into the room with the canisters and there is a relief etched into the wall clearly showing a Xenomorph they obviously already existed.
Ridley's own words, were that he wanted to have David be the creator of the original Alien xenomorph. As the xenos carry over various physical characteristics from host to host, it could be surmised that it took generations of different host species to look the way they did in the original movies. Yet, even tho Prometheus clearly showed a distinctive looking xeno at the end. David somehow managed to create a strain that looked a lot like the original xenos even tho they were using the same species of host as the one from Prometheus.
Yet after the original film that unknown element was ruined by having about 50 Xenos in the movie. The thing that made them so scary was that you barely saw it, knew nothing about it etc. Only after Aliens do we learn more about them. They haven't been scary since Aliens lol.
@@soul_vicex So to you, its plausible that a ship containing hundreds of eggs would only ever infect 1 host? Alien was a claustrophobic horror. Aliens was a run and gun action movie. Despite the difference in genera, the menacing effect of the xenomorph was not lost. The only difference was that instead of a solitary game of hide and heel, we got to see the effect of a plant wide infestation. We still knew little to nothing about them. Yes we saw were the original eggs would have come from, but that was it. It took the cowardly more stealthy xeno from alien, and introduced us to its more aggressive and confrontational warrior cousin. Again, nothing else was reveal, questions were left answered. All we knew is that xenos were more of a threat then initially thought.
I have come to believe there are 6 types of engineers. Each shaped by their cast Elder. The black goo in the vials is hostile as when properly armed the canisters explode open, causing the goo to become agitated/hostile. At some point one or more of the factions had a disagreement on how to deal with the human population and they were sabotaged
00:09 Ever notice the Engineers body suit looks like its made of Xenomorph skins? Like a Gothic futuristic Xenomorph leather body armor suit thing, would make sense to make armor out of their hides, since its acid proof....js
If we consider the AVP and alien timelines, which I know Ridley didnt direct besides first alien, then it shows the predators visiting earth sometime in the past. Now engineers and predators are rival civilizations and our ancestors began to worship the predators while the engineers were away. Engineers might not have liked this and maybe thats why in Prometheus the ships current target was Earth before the outbreak happened on the ship. Now I havent read much of the comics, so this is based mainly on cinematic observations.
@@jvvayne555 Damn, it might have been another request then. Hopefully he'll make one at somepoint, it was a great film. And still so much more that I want to know about it.
Pretty sure the Xeno's were made before David, it just has so many genome editing abilities for adaptation. Davids just playing with a weapon he doesn't understand. To me it seems there is more then one version of the goo, or at least it can be edited to be volatile. One version to create life, another to destroy.
Here's an important weakness in the plot of Prometheus that needs explanation: the cave paintings on Earth all give the location of the "military installation" planet, and not the Engineer homeworld or some other place. Why is this? Did military installation planet really have a different purpose somehow? Why would the Engineers direct humanity there?
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Engineers: dont visit us here's a map of where we live! Jokes aside I think it was a warning that engineers will come down to earth from that planet to kill the humans if they misbehave
I always thought the engineers that David destroyed in Covenant were the same as the ones in Prometheus, and the reason they looked more like us was because the filmmakers didn't want to go to the effort and expense of all the make-up that was necessary for hundreds of people. So have I been wrong all this time? They were supposed to look less like the engineers from Prometheus?
I have not watched a single one of these because they seem convoluted. But I can't help but wonder about the story. Super intriguing. I love channels like these that explain it well. I don't wanna waste time with the movies since it seems like they're a mess.
what I got from the meeting with the engineer scene was the engineer was wrongly woken up,sort of startled by this and then noticed the "person" talking to him wasn't human and got angry.
@@Georgefloydsneckk cause even if we killed jesus , we are living better life now . Atleast better than 2000 years ago . All of us have better nutrition better healthcare bigger immunity and we all are growing big and tall . So killing jesus would piss off engineers is a stupid assumption .
@@dermachtige6123 that’s seriously missing the point. It’s not measured by income or production it’s based on cultural aspects of the species as a whole
@@Thomas-gs3gv yeah , i mean if they had to, they would have done it anyway . We are living Better life but what's better according to them is still unknown so , cant say more.
"They, were in good terms with us, but a specific event that happened two thousand years ago made them hostile towards humans." They sent one of them to guide us, and we crucified him. They sent an engineer named "Jesus". This made them lose all hope in our species, leading them to deciding to wipe us out.
The original script of the movie was that they took Jesus as a child to their home planet to teach him their ways and when he was crucified they got really pissed off, so they decided that they were gonna destroy the humans.
I'm hoping it turns out xenos are older and more mysterious and are the source of the black goo and David just came full circle with an inferior strain and we get our proto/xeno Dule.
It's funny how I'm more interested in the lore of these films than the films themselves. Bags of potential wasted in both.
Exactly how I feel
We want more engineers but they give us alien shit.
Agree, should be because final production decisions are based on box office success, that said Prometheus is much better than covenant, Prometheus leaves plenty of question to be answered while covenant kills that line of the story for a return to the original alien formula for those who pay tickets and want more gore and xenomorphs on screen
@@thealien8673 lmao. no shit. Typical american movies...blood and guts and explosions.
That’s how I feel with most movies.
I’m obsessed with learning more about the engineers.
Lol same
lol
@Lamar D. Jackson Are you trying to act like you know better than the people who created the stories? Pathetic...
would you like to meet one? They're 7-8ft tall though.
me too, they're so cool
They look like handsome squidward
Noah t they really do 😂😂😂😂
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Best comment.
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Lol! I can’t unsee this 😁
The Engineers appear to have a caste system similar to the Forerunners from Halo. Each member of the species is born into a caste, warrior, scientist, builder, etc. They have no wiggle room when it comes to their professions. Once you’re born into one of these castes, there’s no leaving it. When you’re born a warrior, you’ll die a warrior.
And then there's gonna be this one person who were born as a warrior but wanted to be a scientist, question their culture & rebel for what he/she believes which then inspired the whole race 😂
@@angcil88 😂 one who will fight for choosing freelancing over being warrior or some shit job.
Or the dwarves from dragon age 😌
brave new world/ hinduism
Halo also has the flood (which could be like xenomorphs), and structures to wipe them out in case of emergency.
I've played Halo for years and it's fascinating how much Alien and Halo share with one another, even in sound and architecture, it's absolutely amazing how much of Alien is in Halo.
Ridley actually said in an interview that humans were on their last chance 2000yrs ago to change their ways. The engineers sent them a teacher who they then crucified. That's why a wipe-out ship was getting ready to launch for earth 2000yrs ago according to the nav computer.
Bruh we killed space Jesus.
@@aa-to6ws yeah humans eh?
🤢
@A M He HAD to die. He wept so bad in the garden, that he cried literal blood.... From the EXTREME stress that he knew He was going to be going thru. Remember, He was beaten so bad, they say He wasn't recognizable as a man anymore. He did that for us man.... And the pimps too. 💯
@Budget Boost DIY jesus was crucified at 33 years old a.d started when he was born so it's be closer to 2053
In a deleted scene, the engineer that pursued Shaw seemed amazed at some of the stuff in the crashed ship which implied high culture, books and a hologram of a child playing. Kinda sad because it implies that the Engineer sort of realizes that they may have jumped the gun with regards to the humans.
How Variant Species See Humans:
The Engineers: Disappointments
The Predators: Fair Game
The Xenomorphs: Dinner Date
@@AsuraQin At least the Yautja hold some semblance of respect towards humans.
@@kungfumaster51 mostly Dutch but yes
@@AsuraQin Don't forget Harrigan, given a gift by one of the most badass preds created
@@idiot_city5444 Dutch my guy though
If i was having a nice nap and some creature wakes me up asking how to live forever then I'll do the same as that engineer did to david!
NightCrawller 😂 responses like this one are why the comments section is so alluring.
Lol
Well at least it's a understandable reason to wake him up. For immortality
Lol I was thinking that. Wake up a Alien then shoot his ass...
@@Sevan_UP nope it'd sound nice at first. but if humanity acquired immortality, we'd destroy Earth, each other & other species at an even faster pace. Plus look at who asked him that... weyland the literal decaying embodiment of greed and pride, Too ignorant to accept that death comes for all, him included
I always thought that David made his version of the xenomorphs and the real xenomorphs are created by the engineers
It makes more sense that the black goo/xenomorphs/everything in between is something the engineers naturally discovered and tried to control or manipulate. They can't control it either. Look at humans and nuclear weapons. If they were going off randomly during the development process, we'd probably stop developing them.
Guys, I just woke up and this is so thought provoking and fascinating
@@luvgzus4ever The whole idea that the goo is a evolutionary accelerator sounds stupid to anyone who understands natural selection. It behaves more like a retrovirus that injects foreign genes into the victims' DNA. My guess is that they use the black goo to inject the DNA of an extremely aggressive creature or multiple creatures they discovered.
If they mastered genetics so well that they could create xenomorphs from scratch shouldn't they have used that tech to make themselves invincible (at least immune to xenomorphs impregnation)?
I think the best evidence that xenomorphs aren't entirely an Engineer construct is the fact that they seem to have a religious significance to the Engineers.
Humans don't worship androids. The androids are just idols of something they do worship: themselves and the god/gods that made them in their image.
The xenomorph is just them trying to recreate something they encountered. The perfect organism isn't the classic xenomorph that we all know. It's the parasite that can become its host and survive anywhere.
To futher expound on the matter, the basic Engineer religion is the worship and spread of life throughout the universe. We've seen two types of Engineers. The highly advanced ones working on the black goo and the more agrarian ones that David wiped out.
It looks like two sides of the same religion to me. One group might've been horrified by the destructive nature of xenomorph-like creatures and the other might have been an apocalyptic cult that worshiped them as the ultimate life form. One side sees death and the other side sees perfected life.
We have the same divisions here on Earth. There's a whole lot of people who can't wait for the apocalypse.
I love Prometheus.
They say it was boring
But for me the psychological dragging is very effective and keeps me interested
I liked it too
It's like slow motion action
3D masterpiece. I got a used 3D TV just to watch it.
It was too cryptic for me
Bro idk about you, I KNOW this is fiction, but how this man is explaining it makes it feel real af.
You'd be surprised how similar things are in real life
@Swole Beast frick
@Swole Beast why would it be terrifying? Just look at the shit on this planet alone. You should be used to it by now!🤣
Why u so sure there isn't a superior species that created humans?
@@milosjovic4402 because there's this thing called "evolution". We know that humans evolved from another species, so we know we weren't created by some magic man in the sky.
Engineers ære probably the most interresting part of the alien universe imo. Glad you did a video on this as your content is top notch!
@Sam The Sham write more pls
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The engineers, 10 foot tall super intelligent race with advanced tech. Gets killed by squid ink
We're somewhat intelligent too. But the right mosquito can kill you.
@@gomaniz
Or even a cold wind...
MtnD0 2.0 depends how cold and time, I mean you can survive absolute zero for zero seconds.
Stan the food man ever wondered how that ink tasted or the lasting effects it has on someone?
I mean the squid ink and his death is the basis for life on Earth
In the comics is implied that Jesus Christ was a genetical modified engineer send to earth to guide them, but we all know how well it went, they became piss off after that and ended up deeming mankind as violent and dangerous, henceforth why they are trying to destroy earth with all those bio-weapons.
They succeed eventually with xenomorphs reaching earth, but still got fucked over in the end.
Yes, I've also believed this was the cause of the engineers turning against humanity, well its what was implied aka a failed experiment.
You beat me to it
Welp......guess we fucked up on our creators😅😂
I remember reading somewhere that this was the original idea behind the Engineers hatred of humans, but the production company or a bunch of big whigs did not receive the idea very well. I hope they make this canon.
How did they get fucked over?
After reading the original script it turns out that the engineers took Jesus as a boy to their home planet and taught him their ways then brought him back. Then he was crucified and that pissed the engineers off so they decided that humans should be exterminated. The original script is so much better then the movie that came out.
I need to read the original script. I wish we got the script instead of the movie, so much wasted potential
Word?
Is it possible to get that script online anywhere?
Yea but corrupt Hollywood don't want us believing in Jesus or religion. So they had to "dumb" it down sadly.
I wish they did add that scene, would have made it even better.
As much as I would have liked the script I can totally see why they didn't go with it. Having Jesus in it alone would upset alot of people.
Idk why people hate on Prometheus, I absolutely loved this movie and the amount of depth and backstory it brought to the universe. And the cinematography is breathtaking. I didn't enjoy Alien Covenant neeearly as much but I still appreciated the lore aspects of it even though the story was eh.
Because depth and backstory mean's dick all if the characters and story suck. Lore accents a good story, it doesn't carry it.
Agree completely
The Engineers are boring and uninteresting.
to me it was a big mistery to know where xenomorphs came from. now i know they used the "bad humanity" excuse, and the xenomorphs are basically what they are because of humans, and thats a total bullshit.
to say that an entire race is going to wipe out another one that they were responsable for creating, just because they behave bad, it´s cheap and stupid. the "humans meeting its creators" was good, but the entire outcome and the way it happened, PITY
Prometheus is amazing, AC is disappointing.
the Alien Covenant Fucked everything up. I wanted to see the Engineers. Them wasn't even the same race of people as the ones on Prometheus.
The prometheus one was a military guy. The normal engineers look like bald human beings
he messed up
They are a sub race the engineers created.
Agree!
@@mikefloyd3152 the creator said otherwise I believe.
Prometheus set the story up so perfect, then we got Alien: Covenant.
@Ari Jappendi Huh?
I pretend like Covenant doesn't exist
Ridley Scott was drunk writing the 2nd film. It was pure shit.
@@diouranke lmao
Both sucked.
Prometheus just looked good.
Prometheus was one of my favourite movies when I younger. No joke, I saw it 19 times in theatres. I loved it so much.
Yes, younger mind takes longer to grasp. You should have watched it at the age of 18. You could have saved your time. 🌚
Younger? If I recall correctly I was old enough to legally drink when it came out and I'm only 28
@Alexander Steiner it was dreadful
@@KittySYT stfu lol
@ odyssesus; yeah me too this was a favourite of myne. It was just something about the engineers and the explorational tone of prometheus, something about discovering new things and traveling to a planet light years away using a map from millenia ago, it's just so mysterious and beautiful
Shame that ridley listening to the fans resulted in covenant :/
@@johncooper7663 *You're one of the morons who are the reason we got **_Alien: Covenant_** instead of **_Paradise Lost._*
The engineer that killed weyland was disgusted at him begging for more life and silencing the scientist shaw who was asking the right questions but was silenced with a muzzle to her c section. The engineers face was so understanding of shaws questions, that I’m convinced he understood her.
Yes he seemed both interested in Dr Shaw and had a sense of Pity for David, but he looked at Weyland actions and he indeed knew that Mankind was still a Rotten Apple
I too think like he got pissed that Shaw was silenced brutally by greedy men contending to be as superior as engineers.
*"Hey look buddy I'm an engineer that means i solve problems"*
not problems like beauty
Can you cover The Celestials from Marvel comics?
Absolutely! I'll add that to the list now, thanks mate :)
@@filmcomicsexplained engineer vs ultimate predator
@@filmcomicsexplained New Gods too!
Fancy meeting you here... Again... 😂
I see you from scishow, spellbooked and other channels , why are you everywhere? What is your purpose?
So they're basically cosmic chads ??
Virgin humans vs. the Engineer chads
Uh oh.
Begone
I N C E L
LancesArmorStriking yoooo based
They're highly evolved members of the Aryan race.
@@woulfhound DAS RIIIIITE
10:25, I was a little disappointed that David created the Xenomorphs, but he wasn't the only one.
I still think David is recreating the Xenomorph.
Ya that stupid plot a robot went rogue might as well call him terminator
Same here thought the entire storyline was silly
I would have preferred if Xenomorphs were just a timeless race of creatures that even the engineers didn't fully understand in origin tbh
@@pastordonkoh7692 I've always believed that the aliens are that. Alien. They shouldnt be fully explained.
The Engineers are fascinating & I wanna see a movie about them in detail.
I much preferred the set up in the original Alien movies before the retcon. I loved the idea that humanity was taking it's first steps into space and finding something like a desolated galaxy, the sides involved dead by the weapons they resorted to, Great Filter-style. I liked the xenomorph as being like a metaphor for landmines on a cosmic/lovecraftian scale, as human's explored who knew what we might trigger in the dark corners of a post-apocalypic galaxy. So much potential in that idea now gone...
Forced oral penetration land mines? That cause you to go bye-byes from a violent pregnancy? And birth🎉O.o
ridley scott adding this storyline to the alien franchise is probably the greatest thing ever
You mean the one who ruin the myth of the xenomoprh by being the creation of a man made android ?
No that was really stupid.
Agreed
@@MrSafior Sorry you dont understand it all mate
@@whitleybayman123 Bro what 💀
@@MrSafiormyth? You mean the mystery of its origins.
I love this upload too; The Engineers presented epicly, like a true superior being looks pathetically towards through the humanity, and with an absolute disgust to AI
7:05, that's right. We never got a chance to look at the culture of the Engineer homeworld.
Wee kinda did in the blue ray speciel edition i have it and ive see a few sights in this city :)
This is one of the most legitimately possible and believable movie involving extraterrestrial life. Not some alien instantly speaking English.
They do the instant English thing because it’s easier from a narrative perspective and easier for audiences to digest
@@mevinr72 Yeah I guess so, but like they dont do any transitioning or making it as if theres thought process involved when speaking a foreign language form an aliens perspective
Watch Arrival.
@@tomoliver2112 will do
@@howdepressing2495 well?
Moral of the story bassicly is "Don't play god and not expect him to play back."
Yeah but god doesn’t exist in the alien universe cuz the engineers created humans so they are the only gods so ur quote makes no sense
@@brainwashed9380 That’s exactly his point. Don’t get so high on your own hubris that you think you can demand immortality from your own god. (The engineers in this case).
@@account4345 I got the point he was making I’m just saying dat “Don’t play god and not expect him to play back” sounds like a Christian saying but in this case there’s more than one god since the engineers are a god like species so they are gods and can be out smarted by humans.
It’s probably highly unlikely for us to out smart them but in a rare occasion we could and they make mistakes just like us
@@brainwashed9380 You’re arguing semantics over the phrasing of a colloquialism
@@brainwashed9380lol gods means anything and he is everywhere
After a belly full of chest busters, Xenomorphs and androids, the Engineers have been the best thing to reboot the franchise giving the whole story purpose. I find them far more sinister, scary and interesting than any chest buster. It's just sad Ridley gave into pressure and instead of making Promethues 2 and leaving Shaw alive. He created Alien Convenant making David the centre piece. I want answers to Shaws questions and Engineers to be explored in depth, not more of what we've already had over and over.
I agree we all expected that Dr Shaw would get us our Answers. But looking at David and Weyland and their Relationship and reason for Davids Creation and also why David wanted to Create is likely the same as why the Engineers created us.. which likely was because they could/test how Great they are. And/or to serve some Function
Man… I was really hoping we’d follow Shaw and David :( it felt like a gut punch … all too familiar. Rip newt & hicks
These guys look like whatever race jiren from dragon Ball super was.
@@toastpuppy3491 Stfu, shiteater.
And yes, Frieza also had a Xenomorph like form. Toriyama likes the Alien movie franchise ever since seeing the first movie.
Utrekz I didn’t know that not watching bad cartoons for children made me uninteresting.
I've never noticed that till you just pointed it out now I can't understand see it
Jiren the Engineer
@@RogueAndroid trunks look like John Conner
Man your narrating never let's us down! Glad I tuned in for this upload.
The first of the movies gave you more of a sense of “awe” and “curiosity” toward this potential human origins story. The second didn’t have that for me. It was more of a look into the bio weaponry David harnessed and him becoming a “god”. “In order to create, one must first destroy”
We need a movie dedicated to the engineers, they look soo cool.
... I didn't think David created the Xenomorphs? I thought he simply followed the blue print and created a "type" or "varient" of Xenomorph? 🤔
Techno-Virus 757 This would probably be the healthiest plot for the story
Of course he didn't create the Xenomorphs. It was plainly said about the Alien film that the original idea was for the Xenos to have a complete, high functioning civilization, with the Queens and the male drones having elaborate mating rituals (involving a third party in some way) in huge temple-like structures. They were supposed to be this huge thing but R.S. was convinced to dumb it down because he was told that the average film-going audience was too stupid to understand/care about the super in-depth backstory they had.
So yeah, "David" didn't create dick. He just killed loads of people because he was a psychotic robot that got out of control.
David may have figured out how to bio engineer his own xenomorph but the Engineer already did that ages ago..it's apparent when Shaw and them discover the ship. Their are massive murals of a queen xenomorph and other form of "the alien" as we know carved all over the walls. So David is just rediscovering something that knew bout ages ago
@@monkeymonk666 He definitely wasn't told wrong lol.
@@monkeymonk666 Not to mention that we see a form of the mechanical xenomorphs on the engineers temple walls.
0:24
David: ur mom gay
engineer: ( triggered)
Actually David said : Yo mamma😂
8:00, David: Big things have small beginnings.
There was a scene in one of the original Alien films with a gigantic deceased Space Jockey in the pilot seat, with a huge hole cavity in his chest,that insinuates that he had gotten contaminated when either landing on a desolate planet and a distress message was sent out to the other neighboring space voyagers and Engineers,that is where that part of the prequel picks up at with Space Marines taking the SOS distress message from dead Space Jockey.
If David created the Xenomorph's in Covenant how come there was a mural on the ceiling in Prometheus of a Xenomorph, I could never work that one out
He didnt create it he hust followed the blueprints as said in the movie. Engineers made them
The humans were created by a faction without the approval of the council
That would make sense but where’d you read this?
He made it up
DarkestEye there’s been lore throughout the AVP and colonial marines video game franchises that shows a potential civil war between engineers... those that wanted to make weapons and those that wanted to end the practice of species creation.
The lore is that all this is really about a war between two engineer factions..
@@xyz7975 I actually really love that.
@@xyz7975 that goes well with the idea of fallen angels fighting over humanity because they loved theie children
12:00, the third film probably wont be released till 2022-2023.
Also it won't be so much about what Ridley Scott wants to do with it, but what Disney allows him to do with it. Which I guess is okay, just so long as The Queen gets to be inducted into the Disney Princess franchise.
They should stop milking and ruining the story line.
I'd give anything for a movie with everything that made the 1986 Aliens film great in a modern movie.
@@mobilejad6129 and the queen turns out to be a black transgender women named Laqueesia who don't nerd no man lol
they should jsut stop thewse movies sucked and they just dropped the engineers being humanities origin they just didnt even bother showing more and made it all about cooky maternal god complex david..
Ridley Scott used Aliens as a tool for more spooky AI android horror no one really wanted
This video really made me appreciate Prometheus and Covenant for what they do for the series.
I still think they’re very good movies, especially Covenant which to me was a really great watch. Both are pretty fascinating for how they explain the original Alien films too
I swear in David’s workshop, you can see a drawing of a head crab from half-life
They're called the face huggers
@@imvocalinbed hammerpede to be exact.
Lol, the engineers are like that 1 friend who hasn't played the game in ages, and comes back to carry you when somebody else challenged you to a 2v2.
You actually make the prequels fun. Thanks for that.
3:30, that was a pretty cool opening sequence.
I love the topic of everything Alien and can't wait to see the final installment to the greatest film franchise ever created!
maybe in engineer society only engineers are allowed to create life
and thats why the engineer is looking in disgust at david
the life humans created
In one of the films, Prometheus (I think), I remember the engineers sent someone to earth about 2000 years ago to teach them about peace and stop the violence...but humans killed him. After that they decided to wipe out their creation. I actually thought that was a good plot device which is why I remembered it.
11:16 dude the Engineers are fu#$ing jacked!!! Look at those muscles!
I feel like some of the horror of Alien was not knowing anything about where the Xenomorphs or Face-Huggers had come from. The more Alien (or Alien related) movies we get, the further away from horror it becomes. Kinda makes me worried for the future of the franchise.
So….you’re feeling Alienated?
I love the backstory of the engineers, it is fascinating and leads to us asking our own existential questions,
Then what about predators, who created them? Are they just a random advanced space civilization?
Prehaps
Or prehaps they are older race
Who knows
What is known is that the engineers can kick their asses pretty easily
Well, it's a long story. The Yautja were originally known as the Hish, but were augmented by the Amengi race of alien insectoids and after their creations overpowered them, the Yautja took over their technology.
Who cares about the predators. They look absolutely horrible and are irrelevant
@@milosjovic4402 Could say the same about you
@@cocogoatarchon2895 💀💀🤣🤣🤣
engineers were 9 to 10 feet? they were playing with the wrong rockets
The actor who played the Engineer was a basketball player Im pretty sure
the engineers held the xenomorph in high esteem because they used its blood to save their species, and thats why their pressure suits look like the xenomorph. but they ran out of its actuall blood a loooong time ago and theyve been simulating it with a techno-organic substitute. the big engineer head in prometheus was a tribute to the first engineer to have been facehugged. this is all stuff you can find out from the original script.
This video was well worth the wait.
Man I really enjoy the mythology behind the Engineers.
I have my phases of things that I'm super into from time to time. Sometimes it will be Greek Spartans, sometimes it will be samurais, etc. Thanks to you, that phase is now aliens.... On a side note, you think you'll cover some things in the Stargate TV series?? Things like the Ancients and Asguards??
Same
Dude same
Man I can't stress enough how fucking good Prometheus is, never have I ever had such a will to know the lore of a film like this. The exploration and pacing was excellent, the discovery just so satisfying, and the mysteries behind it all perfect. The film is also creepy as fuck, and so is the set design
I had heard somewhere (I feel that it was by Ridley Scott himself) that the Engineers in the Prometheus movie are actually a splinter faction of Engineers that were disgusted by the creations of the other factions of the species and this why in Covenant we see such different Engineers and they seem sorta happy to see a ship of theirs coming back because to them it means that their brethren are returning home and accepting their pacifist way of life.
Alien Covenant is one of my biggest Disappointment.
expected way better when watched Prometheus.
Have you seen The Predator (2018)?
What if that engineer that we think sacrifice him self for the creation of the human race, was actually sentenced to death and he created us by accident.
Now,that's a good question.
No its not not canon
6:54 that's why no
I guess you could say the engineers tried to abort us 😂
A very late-term abortion lol
A genocidal abortion, at that.
We want more Engineers. The Prometheus story and start was great.
Just think of the Engineers as The Annunaki from the summerian ages and the movie becomes immediately interesting and makes sense
Ridley destroyed the xenomorph mythos by forcing David into the role or creator.
What made them so scary were the things that were unknown about them.
Aliens introducing the Queen and Warrior class made it clear that they could come in any form, and further emphasized the threat they posed.
Having them now be nothing more then a cyborgs pet project has made them as lame and pathetic as an experiment gone awry.
Except David did not create them. He was doing his on experiments on them but considering in Prometheus they go into the room with the canisters and there is a relief etched into the wall clearly showing a Xenomorph they obviously already existed.
Ridley's own words, were that he wanted to have David be the creator of the original Alien xenomorph.
As the xenos carry over various physical characteristics from host to host, it could be surmised that it took generations of different host species to look the way they did in the original movies.
Yet, even tho Prometheus clearly showed a distinctive looking xeno at the end. David somehow managed to create a strain that looked a lot like the original xenos even tho they were using the same species of host as the one from Prometheus.
Mathew Poole in other words Scott had no idea what he was doing
Yet after the original film that unknown element was ruined by having about 50 Xenos in the movie. The thing that made them so scary was that you barely saw it, knew nothing about it etc. Only after Aliens do we learn more about them. They haven't been scary since Aliens lol.
@@soul_vicex
So to you, its plausible that a ship containing hundreds of eggs would only ever infect 1 host?
Alien was a claustrophobic horror.
Aliens was a run and gun action movie.
Despite the difference in genera, the menacing effect of the xenomorph was not lost.
The only difference was that instead of a solitary game of hide and heel, we got to see the effect of a plant wide infestation.
We still knew little to nothing about them. Yes we saw were the original eggs would have come from, but that was it.
It took the cowardly more stealthy xeno from alien, and introduced us to its more aggressive and confrontational warrior cousin.
Again, nothing else was reveal, questions were left answered. All we knew is that xenos were more of a threat then initially thought.
Amazing Video Niat! Keep up th great work!
Thanks Sean!
I love your narrations, you could make anything interesting
I agree 😄 his voice and diction is such a treat! 😊
Imagine having to team up with a predator, fighting Aliens and Engineers. A brotherhood forged in galactic blood 🤝
I have come to believe there are 6 types of engineers. Each shaped by their cast Elder. The black goo in the vials is hostile as when properly armed the canisters explode open, causing the goo to become agitated/hostile. At some point one or more of the factions had a disagreement on how to deal with the human population and they were sabotaged
I hope after all this time your a bit smarter
Keep up the awesome work my friend :) And could you cover the robot from Wall- e?
00:09 Ever notice the Engineers body suit looks like its made of Xenomorph skins? Like a Gothic futuristic Xenomorph leather body armor suit thing, would make sense to make armor out of their hides, since its acid proof....js
Also relating to a comic book, the Engineers are several times stronger than Predators.
Damn, what about xenomorphs?
If we consider the AVP and alien timelines, which I know Ridley didnt direct besides first alien, then it shows the predators visiting earth sometime in the past. Now engineers and predators are rival civilizations and our ancestors began to worship the predators while the engineers were away. Engineers might not have liked this and maybe thats why in Prometheus the ships current target was Earth before the outbreak happened on the ship. Now I havent read much of the comics, so this is based mainly on cinematic observations.
Glossed over the fact the ship on lv426 was there a long time before David created his xenomorph
Prometheus was so good, the vibe it had, covenant I enjoyed but not as much , it seemed to lack direction
JapaneseGiant Lizard1234 I wanted to see more engineers, David, and Shaw, and less prototype aliens against a crew.
Will you do a video on
THE BOOK OF ELI
That would be fantastic
Could have sworn he did...
Unless I'm thinking of something else.
MtnD0 2.0 no he hasn’t sadly
@@jvvayne555
Damn, it might have been another request then.
Hopefully he'll make one at somepoint, it was a great film.
And still so much more that I want to know about it.
Pretty sure the Xeno's were made before David, it just has so many genome editing abilities for adaptation. Davids just playing with a weapon he doesn't understand.
To me it seems there is more then one version of the goo, or at least it can be edited to be volatile. One version to create life, another to destroy.
Yes I think David found their designs and adjusted them.
This is my all time favorite night time channel. This dude helped me realize it’s ok to like hokey movies. Not to mention he’s got a relaxing voice.
Here's an important weakness in the plot of Prometheus that needs explanation: the cave paintings on Earth all give the location of the "military installation" planet, and not the Engineer homeworld or some other place. Why is this? Did military installation planet really have a different purpose somehow? Why would the Engineers direct humanity there?
They told them not to go there. May be some engineers didn't agree with killing all humanity
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Engineers: dont visit us here's a map of where we live!
Jokes aside I think it was a warning that engineers will come down to earth from that planet to kill the humans if they misbehave
I always thought the engineers that David destroyed in Covenant were the same as the ones in Prometheus, and the reason they looked more like us was because the filmmakers didn't want to go to the effort and expense of all the make-up that was necessary for hundreds of people.
So have I been wrong all this time? They were supposed to look less like the engineers from Prometheus?
They were the same it was confirmed by Ridley.
Well just like humans they all have unique looks
@@red0guy are they? When did he say that? I swear it was confirmed they’re a sub species
I have not watched a single one of these because they seem convoluted. But I can't help but wonder about the story. Super intriguing. I love channels like these that explain it well. I don't wanna waste time with the movies since it seems like they're a mess.
Yay been waiting for the engineers
what I got from the meeting with the engineer scene was the engineer was wrongly woken up,sort of startled by this and then noticed the "person" talking to him wasn't human and got angry.
This universe was phenomenal . . . Prometheus was a great masterpiece. . . .sadly People fail to appreciate . . .
I don't mine Prometheus, but i really didn't like Alien: Covenant.
Great visuals, horrible plot, it was weird
2:40 thank you mortal man for telling them my tale of engineer hunting
Ridley said that engineers get disappointed because we killed jesus
So dumb that for so many reasons, glad it was cut
@@a.n_9364 how is it dumb?
@@Georgefloydsneckk cause even if we killed jesus , we are living better life now . Atleast better than 2000 years ago . All of us have better nutrition better healthcare bigger immunity and we all are growing big and tall . So killing jesus would piss off engineers is a stupid assumption .
@@dermachtige6123 that’s seriously missing the point. It’s not measured by income or production it’s based on cultural aspects of the species as a whole
@@Thomas-gs3gv yeah , i mean if they had to, they would have done it anyway . We are living Better life but what's better according to them is still unknown so , cant say more.
The narrator makes a splendid point about the succession of creations destroying their creators starting at 11:19 my compliments :)
"Mundus gubernavi" actually means: "I governed/ruled the world."
i don’t know why but i see the engineer face like an handsome version of squidward
"They, were in good terms with us, but a specific event that happened two thousand years ago made them hostile towards humans."
They sent one of them to guide us, and we crucified him. They sent an engineer named "Jesus". This made them lose all hope in our species, leading them to deciding to wipe us out.
The original script of the movie was that they took Jesus as a child to their home planet to teach him their ways and when he was crucified they got really pissed off, so they decided that they were gonna destroy the humans.
@@vengeance.7059 Not good, not good.
I'm hoping it turns out xenos are older and more mysterious and are the source of the black goo and David just came full circle with an inferior strain and we get our proto/xeno Dule.
duuuuude, you got the perfect voice for storytelling :DDD!!!
I loved both prequel films and I am looking forward to the next one. Let Ridley Scott finish what he started.
Just imagine if your Villager didn't give you the trades you've wanted so you decide to kill it only for it to fight back.
"Hey people, Kroft is here..."
Can you please cover Del Toro & Hogans "The Strain"? Please and thank you.
I asked for a video on the strain a few years ago it's an underrated tv show with brilliant lore about it
Yes pls cover the ancients they have a cool origin to them.
Great video!!! Love the Aliens Lore and now I have a better understanding!!! Wish we lived in a time of space travel
Wait you watch these movies and they make you WANT space travel?
9:44 - "... to fight an ancient war against an unknown foe..." I'd love to see a film about that