Radio Host Argues Why The Second Amendment Has Nothing To Do With Protection From The Government
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- Thom Harmann is an American radio host and progressive commentator who made a video titled "The Second Amendment Isn't About Killing Politicians or Overthrowing Democracy."
Thom makes three deliberate points about why the Second Amendment has nothing to do with overthrowing a tyrannical government.
Thom argues that the Founding Fathers did not envision the need for citizens to overthrow the government with guns, as they were establishing a democracy, not a monarchy.
He points out that the primary concern was preventing a standing army from becoming a threat to the nation and maintaining state militias for defense purposes.
Additionally, he discusses how the Second Amendment was modified to address concerns about slave uprisings, particularly in states where militias also served as slave patrols.
Overall, he asserts that the Second Amendment was not about anticipating a future need for armed rebellion against the government.
Now, I'm going to debunk his argument.
Let me know what you think in the comment section
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We are a Republic, not a democracy.
Well...YES, but we are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, which is a FORM of Democracy. Let's not divorce the two.
@@lawrencefields7874right. It’s a more secure democracy. If it were a pure democracy, California and New York would decide every single election.
EEEEEEXACTLY
@@lawrencefields7874 well said my good sir 👏👍👌. CORRECT 100 PERCENT .
@@lawrencefields7874but there is a Democracy type of government, ie: Britain, a Democratic Monarchy. We're strictly a Constitutional Republic, fullstop!!
If Goverment says "you don't need guns" then you NEED guns. - George Washington
You know George Washington personally put down two rebellions against our own people…with guns right?
No, the founders didn’t believe a democracy was the way to go. They believed a republic, a representative republic was the way to go. That’s what we have and that is what the 2nd amendment protects.
The Second Amendment is just wisdom put to parchment
It protects nothing
We have to protect the republic
Well, the 17th Amendment is a betrayal of that system.
The States as entities with less Rights than the People, but did have Rights (unlike the federal government which has NO RIGHTS, only obligations and limited authority granted by the States and the People).
The People should not be voting Senators in.
The irony is that we aren't free because of "democracy", we're free because of the Constitution.
Ask your paycheck if you’re actually free. I bet it replies… “taxes” before the sentence passes your lips.
This guy would be the first one to snitch out his neighbors and tell the politicians that you have guns in your house…
Good, let them come
This guy wants red flag laws so he can report his neighbors to the government
He loves red flag laws
In a SHTF situation this guy would be the first one to get raided because he's a wimp with no guns.
@@Blah81150I bet his neighbors already have a plan to oust him during WROL
The militia is NOT the National Guard. The militia is the PEOPLE. This guy is a nut job.
The NG is part of the US Army and US Air Force, therefore making them part of the standing military and not a militia
Incorrect. Read 10 USC 246.
Right when the Constitution was drafted we had no "army" it was the people who were "the militia" and that meant the "people of the republic have the right to bear arms!
@@THall-vi8cp just because there's a legal definition of the word doesn't mean that they're comparable to people wearing flip flops and using rusty rifles.
@@THall-vi8cp YEAH! NO!
Anytime someone starts talking about democracy and the USA in the same sentence, you *know* that they want to abolish the republic and replace it with a democracy, Thom Hartmann most definitely included!
Anyone attempting to do so would quickly learn how impractical Democracy is. It's just not the right government for a nation so large.
Exactly, there's a quote that applies
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."
“Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
- Ben Franklin
We are a Constitutional Republic that guarantees freedom, not a democracy ruled by a mob mentality of public opinion.
And the Founders would definitely be rebelling against what our Federal Government has become.
"Me and the boys would've been stacking bodies a long time ago."
G. Washington probably
If they had any bit of an idea of the National Guard or a standing police force they would have written them out of existence in the Constitution.
@@michaelfranciotti3900 for 150 plus years they would be
Oh absolutely.
I'd gladly trade what we have now for the situation before 1775. This is so much worse.
We're not a democracy, we're a Republic. I'm tired of liberals whining about "our democracy".
I mean they’re the same thing. We’re not a TRUE democracy but we’re a democracy
@@treroney4720A democracy doesn’t have a constitution. So no we aren’t a democracy. We have some Democratic systems, of course you’ll see the flood of people who will insist we are a democracy but if we were it would be mob ruled as it is in Europe with many countries and having zero rights.
@@treroney4720 Most people don't know the difference and for us, the difference is only in the past. In a republic, the limit upon government is the rights of the people Adjudicated IN COMMON LAW. Government has hidden the common law along with our rights and we are being subjected to the 100% political and arbitrary statutory law, aka the will of our public SERVANTS. We are being ran as a democracy.
It’s a democratic republic.
@@treroney4720we are a constitutional republic, democracy is rule by majority, or mob rule….. thank God individual liberty is protected by the bill of rights! True democracy is an awful form of government!!
The 2nd amendment is about the ppl having power and not the government
The constitution
EXACTLY the bill of rights is about individual liberty and gov't constraint.
How's that working out for you 😂😂
@matt-tasticaus9565 good ive already been harassed by the f.b.i for making pro America comments on youtube. Which makes me want to make more freedom of speech comments on youtube
2A is only about the right to keep and bear arms; nothing else.
Y’all are just playing into the gun grabbers hands whenever you focus on anything else.
We are a Republic not Democracy
We're not much of either!
@@karlheinzvonkroemann2217 not anymore, but they definitely didn’t want a mob-rule democracy..
An INTERNATIONAL republic of 50 separate sovereign nations, like the UN or the EU.
The 2nd Amendment was to keep the federal government from claiming national union; but Lincoln DENIED this with FAKE HISTORY.
@@karlheinzvonkroemann2217 Especially so since. The Act of 1871!
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting what's for dinner it does not make it right to take someone's stuff just because it's devoted that way
The radio host doesn't even know that we're NOT A DEMOCRACY!!! We are a Constitutional Republic, and they aren't the same.
The fact this, Thom Harmann thinks the founding fathers installed a "democracy" shows how ignorant this person is. "A Republic, if you can keep it"-BF
Not ignorant; a liar. That entire diatribe was meant to obfuscate and convey misinformation.
This guy's thinking is very flawed and he is very ignorant on the founding fathers. He looksat all this through a communist mindset. He is a dedicated Marxest.
I'm not sure he's ignorant so much as an evil, gaslighting, propagandist who is a cheerleader for the totalitarian State.
Republican democracy or democratic republic; basically the same things.
@@Talon19 ... this is facetious right? am i missing a joke?
Founders HATED “democracy” ! We have a Constitutional Republic
They didn't hate democracy but they knew the history of democracy and saw that it was incredibly fragile and unstable especially when times get rough or when war is on the horizon.
The founders based our federal government's structure around the oligarchy of Sparta, not the democracy of Athens.
Say it again, for those who didn’t hear it!!!
“Democracy is the Devils own government.” - Benjamin Rush
“Democracy soon exhausted, wastes, and murders itself.” -John Adams
Also Jefferson was talking about Shay’s Rebellion not the French Revolution in the Tree of Liberty Letter.
Everything the💩🤡 talk show host said was an Orwellian lie.
Democracy is mob rule.
We do not have a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. End of discussion!
The fact that the DEMOCROOKS blather on about saving our Democracy and that DJT and MAGA are threat to Democracy tells use they do not recognize the primacy and legitimacy of our Constitutional Republic. Their party's activities and policies border on treason, imo.
ROFLMAO!!!
"End of discussion!!" Hugh?
Too bad you're wrong.
Read a book buddy.
Your teachers clearly failed you.
@@kenkneram4819 Ummm...how exactly is he wrong? We ARE a Constitutional Republic, not a "democracy". A Constitutional Republic is one FORM of democracy. There are several different forms of government that are "democracies". But we are NOT a "true" democracy, which is majority rules.
I would love to hear you explain how he was wrong.
@@thefirststrike
You already did explain it.
"A constitutional republic is a form of democracy."
Your words and mine.
LOL have a nice night.
Tell me ANY ELECTED office in America that isn't decided by a simple majority of the vote.....@@thefirststrike
They believed in a republic, not a democracy.
The 2nd Amendment is simple, not complicated. You and I are the Militia! We are a Republic.
Lol. LMAO!
Were you well trained, or regulated? I know I was.
There's a reason we can't take our weapon with us when we leave the service....
And it is tied to the history of the second amendment, and Shays rebellion.
@@Alarik52 I was with the 4thMARDIV, Corpsman 8404. 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with the military 🪖.
@@reymc55 That just means you remain ignorant, which is no flaw - most are ignorant. It can be worked on though.
Read up on Shays Rebellion.
@Alarik52 I'm aware of it growing up in MA. that means you live in your own interpretation, reality, beliefs, and opinions, which is your right constitutionally. Which is no flaw either. I have a different opinion. Live free or die, my friend.
So he just ignored everything written by the founding fathers saying anything contradicting what he thinks.
@spyersecol0013
Because it doesn't further his position. Convenient, eh?
It's called "cherry picking," and anti-freedom propagandists are very good at it.
That’s the liberal way
The liberal way is to also erase history and lie teaching the new lies or facts. Same thing
Typical cherry picking by leftists.
No. Protection WITHOUT the government is more important. Our borders are unattended, our current government isn't here to protect us against what is coming.
We still have a government, when they blatantly ignore their constituents in favor of "migrants" to replace them, it just appears as "without." It's all intentional.
Correct, they are the cause of what is coming, they want the system to collapse. Stay Strapped.
Read up on Shays rebellion.
Not out "current" government. Just "the" government
I'm trying not to discount future governments, wishful thinking.
We are and always have been and ever shall be a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC not a Democracy.
I'm so sick of hearing "democracy". We're a Constitutional Republic that works "under" a democratic process. Meaning the people elect members of the public to "represent" us.
Any system that works under a democratic process is a democracy. We're both a democracy and a republic, the two terms are not mutually exclusive
Which means we're a democracy... republics can be democracies.
Oh God already - a constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according to a charter, or constitution, and a democracy is a government that is ruled according to the will of the majority. Although these forms of government are often confused, they are quite different. The main difference between a republic and a democracy is the charter or constitution that limits power in a republic, often to protect the individual's rights against the desires of the majority.
@@caddylover10 A representative democracy is still a type of democracy.
We are a constitutional republic
A constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
@@carycunningham9510 Our Founders said, "A republic. If you can keep it!" A pure democracy is two men and a woman voting on who gets raped. America's 120 million gun owners will never kill as many Jews as FDR did. Read history books. My World War Two vet teachers are gone.
For the good of the Republic and future of the United States of America we all must stand together United against these tyrants!
It is exactly about overthrowing democracy and maintaining a constitutional republic.
The Second Amendment literally says "being necessary to the security of a free State"
The entire point of the Second Amendment is to keep a state (and the people within said state) free.
How is it I as a non-american understand the constitution better then an actual American? 😐
He understands it, he is schilling, bootlicking if you will, because they'd rather live under tyrannical rule than live free. This is where the cognitive dissonance is, they think they will be safer LMFAOOOOO😂😂😂😂
Edit: A democracy only works if the government must listen to the people.
If the government stops respecting your vote, what are you gonna keep doing? Voting?
That literally makes no sense.
He's PROBABLY paid opposition
..... They want to DUMB ppl down so they give up THEIR RIGHTS
Those who are entrusted with our children’s education, can no longer be trusted. Much easier to trample people’s rights when they don’t understand them.
They actually understand.......and that is the real problem. They are afraid of what the 2nd amendment means. An armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a slave and that is their intention.
The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms. The Second Amendment denies the Government, the AUTHORITY to infringe upon our right to bear arms.
I really appreciate pointing out this distinction, and I wish it was stated so much more often.
Well said! Simple and to the point..
So blacks were blocked from becoming full citizens because they would then have the right to keep and bear arms where ever they went? So by implication, citizens have the right to keep and bear arms everywhere? That was their original position?
We need to return to our original intended condition where we were free and the government was RESTRAINED by the constitution. The government is not free to do as it pleases. Only what the constitution authorizes, no more.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - Says it right here. Guess they didn't teach reading where you're from
@@Scattaminkey You just missed the entire point. The bill of rights doesn't grant rights. It's a list of specific rights that just exist, which the government can not deny anyone.
The text of the second proves the point. "Shall not be infringed" is a restriction on the government.
Listening to Colion "debate" Hartmann is like listening to a true Constitutional scholar debating a 5th grader. God bless you Colion!
People need to be reminded that the US is a constitutional republic not a democracy.
Who wants to see Biden, Harris, Newsom, Adams, Hochul, Bragg, James, Willis, Schumer out of office, impeached, prosecuted…? ?
Me me me I do please
Every single political office should have term and age limits. The president already has to be atleast 35 years of age, we should also include a maximum age limit.
Me too, and the Republicans that engage in insider trading, gerrymandering, asset forfeiture, and other treasonous crimes.
Is "Un-Alived" an option?
We can only hope!!!
He is WRONG about the word
"MILITIA!"
Was he referring to the same"national guard"that committed the Kent State massacre?
WE the PEOPLE are the Militia, whether we are part of a National Guard unit or not... even in the modern definitions of Militia. It's still us, the People.
Like... the whole democracy thing that Hartmann guy likes to throw around. Democracy is not about Government. Real Democracy is about "we the people, who give consent to be governed."
Correct..."The Militia" is NOT a qualifier.
What’s even more hilarious is, by the definition at the time, militia meant all able bodied men between 18-45z
National guard is literally a standing army
I would like to point out that we are not a democracy, we are a Republic!
😂This man is a fool I once dunked on him live on air and all he could do was go to ad break and drop my call. 😂
and then everybody clapped
@@salvatronprime9882 I knew I recognized your tiny head from the crowd of cheering people that surrounded me after my phone call. How’s your mother doing?
Anyone who wants to disarm you does not have good intentions towards you.
Amen Absolutely!
You don't disarm your friends and allies only you enemies and victims.
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Exactly that.
A lot of Jews learned that. Millions starved.
Yes. Look what happened to the Jews.
He has never read the Federalists Papers or any of the writings of the founding fathers
And they no longer teach it in school. By design
I'm sure he has. His job is to lie and mislead.
Or the Journal of Congress, from when the Amendments were being debated.
(paraphrasing, it's been a few years) The only way a government serves the people, is if it fears the people. The best way to ensure a government fears the people, is to have the people better armed than the government.
@@bobprivate8575 We can do it better. That letter he claimed was about the French Revolution? He lied. Here is the full paragraph:
Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of its motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion. The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
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He very clearly asserts that the government must always fear the people overthrowing it, and specifically in this case, a democratic confederation - not a monarchy.
@@ozziecrosby2092 Education ended in the US when my World War Two vet teachers retired. That was the 70s. Any young American who does not know FDR had the blood of hundreds of thousands of Jews on his hands is not educated. And FDR did zero about the Democrats' KKK.
Colion, bro I really can't thank you enough for standing up against these...! You are a great man. And sooooo many of us are standing right beside you!!!!
Not just their right, BUT THEIR DUTY!
And that duty was abandoned over 100 years ago when the people just did fuck all and let the constitution get violated again and again.
We now live in the rotting corpse of what used to be America.
First off, rhe United States of America is not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.
We're both. The terms are not mutually exclusive.
Their are republics that elect their representatives and republics that appoint their representatives. The former are called democratic republics. A democracy is any system in which the general population votes for how the country is run which includes voting for people to represent your political will. So we are a democracy. You just have no idea what the word means and have been parroting this catchphrase you have heard thrown around
Which is a form of representative democracy - go back to school.
We used to be. Now it is an oligarchy pretending to be a Constitutional Republic.
@@carycunningham9510 Perhaps you should go. Constitutional Republic means two things it is set up underneath a set of code, second it is ruled by appointed officials what our founding father's called better men those who had the right to rule over the population. A democracy is by definition when people rule. We are not supposed to be ran by the people or the popular vote but officials who carry out the will of the set of code that the nation is found on. We do neither of these things now instead we have entirely moved away from a Constitutional Republic and instead are now a full blown Democratic Republic, something we should rip apart.
Since when is a radio host that apparently can't read basic English an expert on 2a? Hartmann always been a hack
Mister Colton, it gives me great pleasure to know you are in our Lone Star state. Never give up, never surrender!
He’s right. The 2A is NOT (specifically) about overthrowing the Federal government. It’s about giving any future Federal government, with tyrannical ideas, a dose of healthy caution to tread lightly on suspension of civil liberties.
However, Citizens’ patience is wearing thin at the moment.
II for one have had about all I can stand!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
We are not even close to "wearing thin". Most people don't even know this stuff is going on. We're not going to wake up until we wake up in full on dystopia.
Why does no one mention how we aren't a democracy, we are a Constitutional Federal Republic.
The Founders did not want a more "democratic" government, they literally wanted a wholly republican form of government that has maximal liberty as its crown jewel.
The NG is NOT the militia! Militia are "non-professional fighting forces", not "part-time professional troops".
I’ll be finalized in joining the Oklahoma National Guard in June, and I’m promising now my service will always be to the people before it’s to a tyrannical government
@@solarwolf1336 Good luck to you.
the nasty girls and professional don’t belong on the same sentence 😂😂
Because we are technically both a democracy and a republic. We use the electoral college to vote for a president and democratically vote for our elected officials (I.e. Senators, representatives)by democratic means.
@@EH-sp3wkarticle 4 section 4, democracy is not in the constitution and is not definitive of our government.
This guy knows nothing. The government has no authority to make any laws or regulations against arms per the constitution of the United States.
I beg to differ. He know EXACTLY what he's saying. He's wrong, and he's lying, but he knows what he's saying. He's pushing a Communist disarmament agenda.
So, what would stop corporate executives from various companies coming together to disarm the people via market mechanisms and technology in line with their own interests?
@@nil981 And how exactly would a group of private companies go about (legally) disarming the population? The only recourse they have would be to offer to buy people's guns, but they cant force people to sell. At a certain point their actions would become illegal, and the gov't has an obligation to step in. Even if the gov't doesnt step in, the 2A still guarantees us the right to fight back. 2A isn't ONLY about the gov't, but about anyone that seeks to trample on people's God given rights.
@@nil981They can’t do that as the gun manufacturers are the ones who make guns and have no incentive to shrink their customer base.
@@emberfist8347unfortunately that’s far from accurate. Gun manufacturers strap on the knee pads for government contracts and would rather satisfy those contracts than the civilian market
We are a republic, not a democracy. Learn people
you learn, a republic is a democratic FORM of a democracy. all you have to do is read
Not having a standing army during a time of peace is a great way to get your country taken away from you....
That was the regular course of action, for most of history.
We are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Drives me nuts when I hear everyone talk about the US being a democracy, It's not.
A constitutional republic IS a democracy. It's not a DIRECT democracy, like we would often think of when we think Ancient Athens, but it IS a form of democracy. So. There's that.
@@xaheroforhireusxno. You are using modern definitions for historical events. Bastardization of a word doesn’t mean the original definition is wrong, it means you are. There is not a single instance of the word democracy being used in the founding documents. We have a handful of democratic processes where people actually vote on an issue, but the overall process of the government is not democratic. Saying it is a democracy because we have 2-3-4 direct voting processes is like saying a person with cancer IS cancer.
America IS NOT FREE.
@@stuckgrenadepin.225 sir, so what was the definition of democracy as per 1776?
What do you mean “the overall process of the government is not democratic” literally every part of the government is democratic process, every election is democratic.
And what is 2-3-4 direct voting processes?
@@chavonj4680 I was talking about republic and I think you know it. It was not synonymous with democracy back then, otherwise the founders, being the educated men of their time, would have included it at least once in the founding documents.
Well stated Mr. Noir. I too thought that you might call him out on his democracy comment. We are a Republic.
If they were creating a true democracy, why is that not even mention the Constitution??!
A VERY VALID QUESTION!!
America is not a democracy. America is a republic. Two different things.
Wrong. Please go back to school. A constitutional Republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
@carycunningham9510 You're the one that's wrong and in need of sticking nose in books and other documents.
You will NOT find the word DEMOCRACY anywhere in the founding documents. But go reading further and you will find why the founders specifically avoided democracy.
@@robertf6523the word democracy doesn't need to be in founding documents for the US to be a representative/indirect democracy
@@robertf6523"We the People" is all I need. A constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy, BY DEFINITION. It's not rational for you to argue this. What, are you itching for the Fourth Reich?
@@carycunningham9510 he just doesn't like the word democracy because he thinks being a democracy is related to the Democratic party
This guy is the reason we have and need the 2nd ammendment!
Democracy is essential for tyranny.
"Republics and Democracies" by Robert Welch.
The Founding Fathers HATED democracies....
And so do I. That’s why I left Canada, permanently.
He hasn't read the Constitution.
Like Nadler, he'll ignore the inconvenient parts.
NO!
That hated a DEMOCRACY!
Thats why we dont have one!
Yes! Most viewed democracy as more insidious and blood thirsty then a monarchy.
A constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
@@carycunningham9510 Democracy is in direct conflict with individual Freedom. Which it was all based on. The only thing 'democratic' is suppose to be the way we elect the 'representatives' , nothing else. Anything else is mob rule not a free republic.
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson
@@carycunningham9510 No matter how many times you spam the same copypasta under different comments, it doesn't make it true.
They were so confident is why we have checks and balances.
It's just amazing to me that the same people saying having guns is not necessary are the ones with armed bodyguards to protect them.
This clown also needs to understand that do not and never have had a democracy. We have always had a Constitutional Republic. The founding fathers knew that Democracies fall to tyranny.
Thank you! I am so tired of hearing the lie of democracy. USA is a very "anti-democracy" Federal Constitutional Republic. The framers made it clear they hated democracy!
A constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
@@carycunningham9510 revisionist history. Democracy is mob rule and the allegory of 3 wolves and a sheep voting for what's for dinner applies. Constitutional Republic is rule of law and doesn't allow such a situation unless it's corrupted.
In a true democracy… better known as mob rule… the rights of any one group can be violated by a majority vote… meaning (50% + 1) of the people can vote away the rights of (50% - 1).
@@carycunningham9510 yes but a constitutional Republic non the less
We are a constitutional republic. The constitution limits the government not the people. We the people is not the government. Shall not be infringed
Yes, they believed that they were instituting the perfect system of governance then and for all time. Thats why the first limit they put on it was to ensure it couldn't stop people from critiquing it, and the second limit they put on it was to ensure it couldn't stop people from arming themselves, and they did this all within a framework that they created explicitly so that what they wrote could be fixed and improved over time.
Washington even said him putting down that rebellion was illegal.
ITS LITERALLY IN YHE BILL OF RIGHTS! Which are protections against the government.
Quite correct.
The American people who are armed is the world’s largest standing army.
It's not.
@@jasonshults368 Where is a larger one?
@@jasonshults368 You sure about that?
Most have no training with fire-arms or if they faced a military would get roasted.I keep hearing about our government may go rogue,so,we need to be able to bear arms.I don't see this happening,at all.
@@user-be7tc2bd6e In economics terms, a company that is the only player in a market (apparent monopoly) still faces competition pressures that create a natural cap on their prices. Notably the threat of new entrants due to the high profit margin incentivizing potential competitors to make a startup capital investment. Even if the established player has the competitive advantage to deal with the new entrants it would be better for overal income to cap their own prices and not share the market.
Governments are in a similar position, the cost of the conflict is the real threat and an armed population greatly increases the cost and risk. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, even to a tyrant.
That isn't even getting into the moral dilemas of individual troops (US officers are sworn to protect the constitution, not the politians.), and indirect economic factors like the sudden breakdown of the tax system that pays for that professional military. (Or the simple fact that shear numbers do matter and many civilians actually have had formal training.)
How is it that nobody argues that all amendments were written as limitations on the government and what the government CANNOT do with regulation and the enforcement of law?
These people who insist it's about the right of a State to maintain a Militia always forget that part of the Constitution which expressly prohibits States from maintaining military forces without Congressional approval.
"The Security of the Free State" means the security of the state of freedom.
Actually, "security of a free State" would be "security/defense of a free polity/commonwealth/republic".
You don't just have to be Tyrannized by Humans.
Without the Ability to Arm one's self, the Common Fox, Coyote, Raccoon, and Skinwalker all become just as dangerous as they have always been throughout all of Human History.
Ask the Russians about the Winters in the Villages during WW2 after all of their Arms were Forcefully Donated to the State to fight the Germans.
As the Grieving Family's of The UK who are seeing a spike of Abductions of Infants by FOXES.
To Limit the Firearms' Purpose to mearly being an Extension of the Voting Block is the Most Immense Poison-Pill.
"You cannot defend yourself from our Jets and Tanks" --Joe Biden
No, but I sure can Defend myself from Wild Hogs, Rampant Deer, Rabid Raccoons, and the COMMON THUG.
@@jakobroynon-fisher9535 That is kinda OP’s point. Keeping a free state free.
He’s right in a way, it’s not about overthrowing the government. It’s about having enough armed people that the government won’t do something to deserve being overthrown out of fear for same.
Wrong. It's about the right to defend liberty itself against tyrants through force.
@@jasonshults368 yes, but primarily it’s about making sure that we (the people) have the means with which to do so.
@@jasonshults368 Here is what Jefferson exactly wrote. It was not about the French revolution as this hack claims, but Shay's Rebellion - which was a rebellion against a democratic state, not a monarchy:
Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion. The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
This is why you are both right and both wrong. It is about both, not just one.
I don't ever see this happening-EVER. And if they did,then what ??? The government has the military,all the police depts all across the US,can activate all the guard and reserve units in america,etc,etc,..the american public would get-TRASHED.
The original M.A.D.
We need to save our constitutional republic from the scurge of democracy.
The Second Amendment isn't about overthrowing the government. It's purpose is to prevent that necessity.
It's a simple issue. Who has the right to bear arms? Not the state. The people.
We the People do have the right to stand against a tyrannical government to protect the Constitution and our Republic. We are the ones in charge not the government
That the way it's SUPPOSED to work, but it's not.
@@joejones4172o but it won't take much and we the people will
Not the right, the duty.
@@369ThegoosedrankwineThemonkeywe’ve been past “much” for years now. We the people are all talk
If the founding fathers actually thought that our system of government would last until the end of time and never become tyrannical and out of control and live by the law of the land, then they didn't have any foresight at all, had no knowledge of history at all.
If our government keeps on going down the path it's going now the government we have known will be gone and replaced with probably socialism or communism, it's just a matter of time.
We are nothing, too many sheep. Fact
You know the one thing that is never brought up when this whole "overthrowing the government" angle is discussed? Why is the government "afraid" or "concerned" about being overthrown, or armed citizen uprising if the government isn't doing anything wrong? I mean, ever citizen knows that no politician or political system is perfect, so as a whole, I think citizens are (or at least have been) pretty tolerant of government, even when they make awful decisions, and don't represent us well. The question still stands though..... if the government was really doing what they were supposed to be doing, and really representing the people, then why would any of them be concerned about being overthrown, or an armed uprising against them? I mean, you typically don't see irrational fears like these people are saying, unless there is truth to what the people are saying and concerned about, or the government officials have a guilty conscience. 🤷♂️
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
My right to bear arms has been infringed
The framers were absolutely very concerned about democratic tyranny. The Declaration of Independence was just as much directed at Parliament as it was to the king. Literally the entire framework of our governmental design and Bill of Rights was to prevent hostile usurpations of our liberty by democratic institutions, and even then they knew that there would be no perfect system. Clearly the framers wanted revolution to be the last resort but they certainly believed a revolution may one day be necessary.
This is absolutely correct. The English Civil War almost a hundred years before had also resulted in a Bill of Rights that included a right to bear arms but because of England's more democratic framework and lack of a firm written constitution it only took fifty years or so for that particular right to be effectively dissolved. The Founding Fathers recognized this, many of them being from the Protestant "Roundhead" background that effectively formed the winning side of the English Civil War that drafter that BoR. They weren't about to allow the same mistake to be made twice.
of course they were worried about democratic tyranny, it's why they created a republic.
Colin just explained to the Radio Host with verbal slap across the face.
its called being intellectually dishonest. he knows what hes doing
The radio host is insane!
Anyone who actually READ the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers know better.
So a politician says we shouldn’t be able to overthrow the politicians??? Must be true guys…🙄🙄🙄
🎯 💯 ,,, "to ensure a free state" says it all.
The only way these clowns can win is by lying.
They require gullible people who believe their lies.
@@jasonshults368 “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin
these liberal newcasters and radio announcers always manage to twist the words out of their original intent to suit their agendas and it never turns out good.
Cheating and stealing are also regularly employed options.
Constitutional Republic....
It's good that you exposed this clown.
Two minutes in and he is saying we are a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. Also didn't they say that there should be a revolution every 20 years or so?
Wow. "A Republic, if we can keep it."
Who said that?
@JuliePascal
Benjamin Franklin
A constitutional republic
Benjamin Franklin, United States Ambassador to the King Of France, when asked by an aristocratic woman what kind of government he had.............................elsullo
A constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
@@carycunningham9510 Yes. That means you can vote. But there are only two ways they could remove our Second Amendment from our Bill of Rights. The first one was only used once. At our Constitutional Convention. The other is how they got Prohibition in. And how they got a terrible mistake removed. (Prohibition.) It was mostly women and religious leaders who pushed for Prohibition. And, yes, Republicans. They learned from that mistake. The Socialist Democrats never learn. The federal government poisoned many thousands of Americans to try to get them to stop drinking. Many went blind. Not even that worked. The gun crime fueled by drinking control is what prompted them to push for gun laws. Another terrible mistake. But. The Second Amendment is here to stay. And our Supreme Court, for now, is pro-Second Amendment. There are 120 million voting gun owners. They will not vote for more gun laws.
They overthrew a MONARCHY. How uneducated can you be and still talk on a topic.
In George Washington's writings he specifically said the 2nd amendment was so a government couldn't put a army in the field large enough to overpower an armed citizenry..
This man is completely out of touch with reality. Prime example of what's wrong with our government.
“So then I started blasting”
James Madison wrote on why they wrote the 2nd.
This guy has obviously never read The Federalist Papers.
Thank you, Colion! "The president's mama" - love that phrase! Excellent argument about your blackness vis a vis the Second Amendment. This fellow is a fool and a tool. "State" refers to the national (federal) government, NOT to the "slave patrol" of Virginia or any of the other Southern states. It is impossible that the Second Amendment is about the National Guard, which did not even exist when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were drafted.
The FBI and the BATFE are exactly why the founders did not want a standing army.
Except that first they did create a create a Standing Army. The Regular was a full-time Army created in 1798 and exists to this day. And the FBI is something they would agree with existing under the Interstate regulatory powers they gave the Federal Government.
All of these armed agencies with arrest powers equate to Hitler's Gestapo and Stalin's secret police, who cane in the middle of the night make the enemies of the state disappear. Sound familiar? 4am raids by ATF and FBI, armed to the teeth, taking people away in their underwear and zip ties, shooting people in their homes...think about it. That's why the 2nd Amendment exists, to keep the government in check once they become tyrannical. We are there now, something is going to happen.
@@emberfist8347 Many of them argued against a fulltime army. All soldiers must agree to protect our Constitution from ALL enemies! Including the party of slavery. Biden has said many racist things over the years. In front of cameras. Same for his son. Also, many argued against the FBI. Said it was unconstitutional! They promised they would carry no guns and have no power to arrest! The racist who started the FBI kept screaming to be allowed to carry guns. And make arrests.
If these folks ACTUALLY knew what a DEMOCRACY IS … They wouldn’t even entertain these stupid conversations… WE ARE NOT A FUCKIN DEMOCRACY!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Well actually we are a Constitutional Republic which is a form of Democracy. So Yes and No .
Yup!!!
@@jimblevin1415omg 🤦♂️ but it’s not the democracy they’re talking about.
@@jimblevin1415 You're confusing a democratic process of who votes and can be a candidate with being a democracy.
A constitutional republic is a form of representative democracy by definition.
All of the arguments the radio show host makes have been defeated in the SCOTUS. That same dribble was used in the Heller, McDonald, and Bruen cases to date. SCOTUS said, nope, the 2A says what it says.
Exactly - all these arguments have been tested in court. Fundamentally it doesn't matter what Jefferson or anyone else thought or was said to have thought. That's highly subjective anyway. What matters is what was WRITTEN DOWN and signed by all of them. That's how the law works.
people always talk about the guns we cant get but nobody talks about how we cant buy armor piercing ammo most places...
I have some World War Two surplus ammo. From the Civilian Marksmanship Program. But I got it decades back. You can still buy the main battle rifle of World War Two, though.
Another amazing display of clarity, Colion. Keep it coming.
Ill never trust a guy named Thom lol
you stole my comment, Thom is a strange name from a strange person.
@tman8939 I had to take my shot. Ive never been one of the first people to interact on a video lol. Id almost prefer the h to be pronounced with that spelling even though in Thomas its silent.
I've never met a good one yet!!!
Our own founding fathers were cautious of a true democracy, because they knew as their own forefathers knew, that any politician is both an advocate and an enemy to the ppl. Politics has not changed since it was first formed.
Protection from government failure or officials misrepresenting or posing as government authority
"The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots"
How convenient he left out the final part of that quote,
".. and tyrants"
Lol. He didn't even get the part he said right. It's "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants".
he lied about it even more so. Here is the exact paragraph in which it is contained. notice it isn't about the French revolution, but Shay's rebellion in Massachusetts!
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Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion. The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.