Installing a £419 TDI Tuning Box *BMW M4*

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  • @XxcalprofenxX
    @XxcalprofenxX 5 років тому +217

    "I'll have to call you in a bit Emma, yeah?"
    "BLEEUUUGHHH"

  • @alexb2612
    @alexb2612 5 років тому +64

    It's good to see Jason Donovan isn't just singing songs these days!

    • @EAD_0
      @EAD_0 5 років тому

      Alex B genius. Shame Kylie isn’t on reception and mrs mangle doing the tea round.

    • @jasonjay7650
      @jasonjay7650 4 роки тому

      That's exactly what i thought 😆

  • @stepheng4218
    @stepheng4218 5 років тому +5

    Great content again and great to have a senior engineer actually talk through what its doing

  • @still976
    @still976 5 років тому +4

    Love your candid “Emma phone” and “GoPro fail” moments. Nice to have those added in to give a bit of realism

  • @CannibalShadow
    @CannibalShadow 5 років тому +1

    Love your vids man, always look forward to them.

  • @samhewitt8506
    @samhewitt8506 5 років тому +2

    Keep up the content your vids are getting better!

  • @B15SDMDESIGNS
    @B15SDMDESIGNS 5 років тому +2

    17:08 I cant stop creasing up! You're reaction was priceless. I can just imagine you were probably thinking the cars falling apart after the tune lol

  • @Joshkemponcars
    @Joshkemponcars 5 років тому +3

    Great video as always Ricky, I've always been intrigued about these tuning boxes and difference between them and a full remap. Keep them coming buddy! 👍

    • @dannydyerschocolatehomuncu7640
      @dannydyerschocolatehomuncu7640 5 років тому +2

      Josh Kemp on Cars custom remaps always a better option.
      It’s perfectly tailored to your specific vehicle.

  • @Dylan-nq6vi
    @Dylan-nq6vi 5 років тому +1

    Keep it up Ricky, you're smashing it with the content!

  • @WelcomeToTheMadness
    @WelcomeToTheMadness 5 років тому +221

    Yeah, should have did a before dyno pull and an after...men lie, women lie...numbers don’t.

    • @lloyd.8272
      @lloyd.8272 5 років тому +11

      Welcome To The Madness easily still done, you can switch it off and do a dyno.

    • @dandylion1987
      @dandylion1987 5 років тому +21

      Numbers do indeed lie on the dyno. They can be manipulated easily. As easy as running it in a different gear
      A race , however...

    • @toyotaturbo504
      @toyotaturbo504 5 років тому +6

      Well numbers do actually lie too 👍😂 time slips & terminal times dont

    • @toyotaturbo504
      @toyotaturbo504 5 років тому +2

      @@AnotherUA-camr460 well not really sir, if both days are dry and temperatures are roughly the same the outcome will always be very similar or thereabouts!
      Many variables like rain and snow will give very different times, but infact consistent reliable cars will run similar tests back to back! If conditions are the same.
      u will find a fwd car that runs 10s at pod in Febuary, will still run 10s consistently in august :)

    • @BingoWings44
      @BingoWings44 5 років тому

      Alfie J ;’/mm

  • @ThatRandomGuy20
    @ThatRandomGuy20 5 років тому +1

    Cracking vid Ricky and very informative. Looking forward to seeing your full review bro

  • @thepodbaydoorshal
    @thepodbaydoorshal 5 років тому +3

    Another excellent episode. Ricky I have to commend your spotlighting of different companies and services out there who cater for the aftermarket and just your professionalism in general. I'm still amazed you're completely self-taught. Keep up the good work! PS, please can you announce the next meet on UA-cam so I can attend? I never know what's happening! 😂 Cheers!

  • @himeshparmar3465
    @himeshparmar3465 4 роки тому

    Love how you keep this video real! Kudos to you bruv!

  • @lprc7196
    @lprc7196 5 років тому

    great video ricky. love how you really look into products and just dont take it for granted that it has more power :)

  • @StefABtv
    @StefABtv 5 років тому

    Cracking vid mate

  • @adamchandler8872
    @adamchandler8872 5 років тому

    Love your videos pal. I'm a total car novice but your videos are easy to watch and educational. Hope you smash it this year

  • @kieranb818
    @kieranb818 5 років тому

    The videos are sick mate I watch them all keep the content coming.

  • @aksaks2651
    @aksaks2651 5 років тому

    Love a Saturday upload!! Sickkk content as always!!

  • @cleancutgaming6634
    @cleancutgaming6634 5 років тому +1

    What a intelligent and professional man Steven is hats off, crazy gains.

  • @AAMedia
    @AAMedia 5 років тому

    Loving the vlog/ modifying your own car man keep the videos coming 🙏🏼🔥

  • @2muchbhp
    @2muchbhp 5 років тому +2

    The instant map change by the app is a cool feature, its mad how tech works these days! Bless up Ricky and the LLF fam

  • @DavidC1
    @DavidC1 5 років тому

    great to see the channel grow

  • @badmanurslaan
    @badmanurslaan 5 років тому +3

    16:14 blueeehhhhh , what the hell was that lol that had me dying lol, nice and great vids ricky , keep it up

  • @nepaleseman1010
    @nepaleseman1010 5 років тому

    Great video, your cars sounds really mental. Looking forward to future videos regarding this BMW.

  • @gingaboybuda
    @gingaboybuda 5 років тому

    Love it Ricky! Them skills! What car...just wow!

  • @ZaccheusMukahiwa
    @ZaccheusMukahiwa 5 років тому

    Those cockpit sounds though ✌🏿great video !

  • @lzeel-jg3hn
    @lzeel-jg3hn 5 років тому

    Another great vid 👍👍👍

  • @lukegrd7247
    @lukegrd7247 5 років тому

    Great video mate 👍

  • @mtbmx
    @mtbmx 5 років тому +1

    Great video again

  • @dtnxumalo4254
    @dtnxumalo4254 5 років тому +2

    Love your car dude 👌

  • @akz12
    @akz12 5 років тому

    love the happiness and laughs when you're driving

  • @simonhutton1
    @simonhutton1 5 років тому

    Bangin. Good driver 👍🏼

  • @sachd5121
    @sachd5121 5 років тому

    Great work Ricky

  • @steffydog
    @steffydog 5 років тому

    Great stuff Ricky, I have one of there boxes, really good bit of kit, plus there very helpful there.

  • @JoeAchilles1
    @JoeAchilles1 5 років тому +46

    2000bhp here we come... ;-) Great video mate!

    • @abdulomar5878
      @abdulomar5878 5 років тому +9

      Joe Achilles stfu and go back to your dead channel 👋🏾

    • @harrytilley4905
      @harrytilley4905 5 років тому +9

      Abdul Omar bit over the top

    • @JoeAchilles1
      @JoeAchilles1 5 років тому +34

      Man like Abdul is having a shit 2019 already....

    • @harrytilley4905
      @harrytilley4905 5 років тому +2

      Joe Achilles yeah 😂😂🤛🏼

    • @voodoosheep
      @voodoosheep 5 років тому +3

      Joe Achilles A man like Abdul doesn’t even have a channel. I like your videos Joe and LLF too. Keep it up 👍

  • @avic1967
    @avic1967 5 років тому

    Been running tdi on my A class absolutely great service and company

  • @haidersohail1649
    @haidersohail1649 5 років тому

    Ricky man I am huge fan of your car. Perfect spec AS IT IS. The wheels the colour and the interior. You got a real bargain on the car

  • @l333boa
    @l333boa 5 років тому +8

    Looking forward to the video of it against Calvin’s Golf R 😎

  • @ianprice7776
    @ianprice7776 4 роки тому

    Thank you for doing this video :-)

  • @larbi3568
    @larbi3568 5 років тому +1

    U can’t beat a tailored map tuned live on a dyno session,these boxes are ok but but can’t compete with a “properly mapped ecu” BMW can tell if the car has had a box fitted even after its been removed by looking at the shadow data stored in the cars ecu ie: max rpm,max boost Kia,max fuel pressure delivered,ignition timing parameters plus the gearbox ecu stores various torque figures etc,these cannot be cleared with most scan tools available. But on the plus side quick and easy to fit/remove and transferable to other vehicles with a reasonable price for the results. Pull all the stops out Ricky and showcase this M4 with all the latest tuning mods,I’m sure all the contacts u have now will help u out with some goodies in return for some airtime! Keep up the good work ✌🏼

  • @ganuv
    @ganuv 3 роки тому +1

    The one very important aspect you didn’t mention is do you need to change the spark plugs to one step colder running the TDI box ?

  • @olivergunn1913
    @olivergunn1913 5 років тому +3

    How will this work for smaller engines such as a 1.4tsi Ibiza, what real word results would you expect from that

  • @riddimfruit
    @riddimfruit 5 років тому

    Ooooow gold buttons. Bangin vid as always Ricky!!!!!!!!!!

  • @darylaldridge2783
    @darylaldridge2783 5 років тому

    I had this on my FK2 made a massive difference, had to take it off when I had the exhaust done as needed the ECU map.

  • @sanmarino_cs1698
    @sanmarino_cs1698 5 років тому +124

    Just beware Ricky, BMW will still be able to tell the car has had a “box” fitted, even if it’s removed completely, if there is a power train warranty claim, the car logs everything, and will show higher than regular boost levels etc and these are all stored in the ecu. Big brother is always watching. 😐

    • @swb7161
      @swb7161 5 років тому +6

      SanMarino_CS the car dealer is in his videos.... I’m sure they will know anyway 🤓

    • @Yestes
      @Yestes 5 років тому +35

      SanMarino_CS he’s going to be a millionaire by the time he gives it back

    • @djarodupont2086
      @djarodupont2086 5 років тому +44

      A tuning box lies to your ecu, modifying the signal. For example boost: stock lets say 1.4 bar, tuning box reads that, modifies it, sends out lets say 1.2 to the ecu, ecu says lets crank that shit up because its not 1.4, sends it to the actuator, sensor now says 1.6bar, box modifies again now to 1.4, sends to ecu, ecu happy... It does this to a variety of sensors, interrupting signals so the ecu thinks and reads everyting is stock. This way no signals should be stored as abnormal.

    • @PM-vp4wc
      @PM-vp4wc 5 років тому +15

      I hope Ricky charges Top dollar for the advertising TDI tuning going to get from this video and a free chip box thats £10000 Worth of you tube advertising if ever I saw it

    • @stubones
      @stubones 5 років тому +21

      The ECU might log everything, but it's being lied to so it logs what it thinks is normal. That's how the box works.

  • @evrensokmener6768
    @evrensokmener6768 5 років тому

    Don't know why people complain about the sound. Sounds amazing!

  • @davey4808
    @davey4808 5 років тому +1

    Cant wait to see the bmw vs golf R keep up the good work

  • @thefrosty1925
    @thefrosty1925 5 років тому

    really appreciate this one pal. Been thinking of one for mine for a good while as well from TDI Tuning themselves. A proper remap will bring a TD1 fault code for me at Audi so no warranty for me

  • @EAD_0
    @EAD_0 5 років тому

    great video. i’ve always wondered how these things work.

  • @leweee
    @leweee 5 років тому +21

    I'm expecting a dyno tune with before and after results, prove that it actually works and I'll consider buying one

    • @leweee
      @leweee 4 роки тому +5

      Cam Jackson Yeah I've already watched it and it's only proved what we already knew, these boxes are shit

  • @swb7161
    @swb7161 5 років тому +26

    I’ve had mine for about 6 months and just think it’s set up so well as standard. I wouldn’t mind a lowering spring kit but that’s it.
    Heard bad things with spacers, your body work will get smashed to pieces from stone chips. Otherwise, alcantara steering wheel and Cup 2’s for summer! Come to Spa! Much more fun than London. 👌🏻

    • @B15SDMDESIGNS
      @B15SDMDESIGNS 5 років тому +1

      I feel the comp pack m4 is perfectly balanced. I too was thinking about lowering the car but don't want to mess up the handling so kept it all stock. I did however fit 12mm spacers front & back and havent had any stone chip issues. I do have the OEM rear wheel arch paint protection film fitted.

    • @fastlanediaries6593
      @fastlanediaries6593 5 років тому +1

      Lads have had mine dropped 30mm...and 12mm/15mm spacers at Motech.
      5000 miles. No damage no stone chips and handling is so so much better!

    • @swb7161
      @swb7161 5 років тому

      B15SDMDESIGNS this is interesting! I read online that some people has spacers and post winter had realised that grit has marred their paint work due to the additional overlap of the tyres out of the arches. Have you driven the car over winter yet? I have a half wrap from Topaz so including side sills etc. Expensive but has saved my front end when doing 70mph...

    • @swb7161
      @swb7161 5 років тому

      Johnny Harris Fast Lane Diaries again this is very interesting! Thanks for the feedback. Have you run the car over winter yet? Also are the lowering springs from Motedh too and if you don’t mind may I ask how much it cost?

    • @fastlanediaries6593
      @fastlanediaries6593 5 років тому +2

      S WB Cant really remember costs. I had lots done...sorry. Had the car G-Techniq'd when new and no marring or marks etc. I drive hundreds of miles on salty roads up and down to Manchester from London. If it does mark it I don't look at its ass and it's not a garage queen. I drive the doors off it! Mine is on the Motech UA-cam page San Marino Blue. V100 plate. Also I ran an M2 for over a year putting about 20,000 miles on it thumping down and back to Switzerland all times of year. Spacers, Motech Stance setup. Not a problem. At full speed on Autpbhan it handled about 30% more stable than on standard springs with no skipping about. Also always run Cups 👍👍👌
      Tell Mike I sent you. He'll take great care of you. His setups have game changed my cars and I have several places that do it much, much nearer to me!
      Sorry for Hijiacking your video Ricky! 🔥🔥

  • @jonvickerson7694
    @jonvickerson7694 5 років тому

    Had one of these on my Leon fr 184.Was fine for about 4 months then engine seem to be over boosting or misfiring at high revs and it started to sound like a tractor....Took it off and took it to Seat and reset everything....all good now.....

  • @15xNightWalkeR
    @15xNightWalkeR 5 років тому

    amazing product, im getting is for sure.

  • @pmorgan857
    @pmorgan857 5 років тому

    Great video just ordered this for my 67 plate competition pack M3

    • @alanhyper9266
      @alanhyper9266 2 роки тому

      How did you get on with the plug in?

  • @tammyclark4190
    @tammyclark4190 5 років тому

    Great vid rorey do more tuneing vids !!

  • @FastcarsNL
    @FastcarsNL 5 років тому +5

    Haha that M4 is so good 👌🏼 wish i could drive one!

    • @jameshay2866
      @jameshay2866 3 роки тому +1

      They drive well but theyre not all that mate a 40i is where its at after lovung bmws all my life working at bmw for 3 years driving m4s m3s m5s m6s plus all the normal ones and 40is the 40is dont get boring with the sound m4s and 3s getd boring 🤣 trest yourself plus my m140 is standard i push m4s out the way

  • @andyrobinson2338
    @andyrobinson2338 5 років тому +2

    Had a tdi tuning box fitted at the Chelmsford branch a while ago on my 2016 335d not the best idea I’ve ever had some days the car would be fine others it would hold back and misfire went back and got it removed as it was very disappointing went to Dyno developments in Stevenage had the car On the rolling road and a remap 100% improvement over the box

  • @shadozE10
    @shadozE10 5 років тому

    For someone that doesn't care bout the warranty would you recommend this or a stage 2 map

  • @peterphilipse8792
    @peterphilipse8792 5 років тому +1

    Fitted one to my dad's s8. Nothing but issues after sending it back twice. Misfires at high rpm when wot.

  • @grahamchurchill3857
    @grahamchurchill3857 3 роки тому

    So with the Blue tooth you can change the power ratio of the engine with your phone? Im guessing you would have to pull over stop and switch the engine off to do this or you could get done for using your phone whilst driving?

  • @tmistro5768
    @tmistro5768 5 років тому

    My focus st 5 pot doesn’t stop boosting just power and more power to the top end in all gears. Such a beast.

  • @3Brennar
    @3Brennar 5 років тому

    Another Top Video Ricky, on TDI Tuning's website now and ordering a module asap 👍👍

  • @john-rm2bm
    @john-rm2bm 5 років тому

    My brothers 140i bmw just made 471bhp and 500lbft it comes in low down in the revs on the graf but actually doesn’t fall on its face like you would expect just feels outrageously fast even when the auto gear box is banging through the gears at 6500rpm

  • @alleywatson
    @alleywatson 5 років тому

    Fantastic insight into this great technology. My only quibble is what about insurance. Great video Ricky

  • @SURG3NT
    @SURG3NT 5 років тому +2

    im getting this on my M4!!! Nice one for showing me this!

    • @SURG3NT
      @SURG3NT 5 років тому +1

      LM AO ok mate must like ya suped up K.A

    • @Mizan215
      @Mizan215 5 років тому +3

      Nooo, don’t get a tuning box. Get a proper remap from a proper company

    • @superchargeddarkness915
      @superchargeddarkness915 5 років тому

      ...

    • @Mizan215
      @Mizan215 5 років тому

      LM AO my comment was to surg3nt

  • @tht140ixx
    @tht140ixx 5 років тому

    LLF Wknd 👌🏾🙌🏾🤙🏾

  • @willo219
    @willo219 5 років тому +1

    would be good to see a before and after dyno, also would have been good if the guy from tdi tuning could explain a little more about how they work, even a remap vs tuning box to see what the differences are

  • @scottbrooks3402
    @scottbrooks3402 5 років тому +1

    Quite a few people have bought these, tried them before and after on a dyno and do absolutely nothing, seen quite a few with them plugged in, turned right up and only making the same or less HP. Can't beat a proper rolling road remap with before and after runs

  • @EverythngAutomotive
    @EverythngAutomotive 5 років тому

    Ricky this is a great video and great choice I think you have cleared up a lot of questions about tuning boxes, I would deffo get one after seeing this. Sik man... we should do a vid with my E55 AMG and yours... just a thought :)

  • @hakosuka2
    @hakosuka2 5 років тому

    LLF imo best way to go is to try to get your hands on a spare ECU. You can go to town on one and keep the other stock. It's also safer as you will have a spare if the tuned one happens to get bricked for some reason. 👌

  • @acko8016
    @acko8016 Рік тому

    Can you turn the dreaded cold start off tho on these ?

  • @jamesr8897
    @jamesr8897 5 років тому

    What exhaust do you think you will get ?

  • @TheSheko1989
    @TheSheko1989 10 місяців тому

    Can I use with my pedalbox like pedalbox + tdi tuning box

  • @marwood9421
    @marwood9421 5 років тому +44

    520+ is a big claims for remaps, let alone tuning box. Might wanna pop down to the dyno.

    • @rockyrobin24
      @rockyrobin24 5 років тому +6

      Not when bmw unrated all there cars from stock lol

    • @stefanfreestylez
      @stefanfreestylez 5 років тому +3

      @@AnotherUA-camr460 no it does not lol

    • @rockyrobin24
      @rockyrobin24 5 років тому +3

      @@stefanfreestylez I echo that... They clearly don't

    • @SenszR
      @SenszR 5 років тому

      thug898 no

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters 5 років тому +2

      Hardly... 20-30% gains is normal for a remap

  • @TheSebysandu
    @TheSebysandu 5 років тому

    Does anyone know where to get back plates like his? Thanks

  • @k9jsb224
    @k9jsb224 5 років тому +10

    *Quote of the day:-*
    “I need my own TopGear test track!”

  • @craigmccreath3182
    @craigmccreath3182 5 років тому +6

    Would love to see you hooning that thing around a track Ricky

  • @bradleymarky8294
    @bradleymarky8294 5 років тому

    I’ve got a dtuk box on my FR and it does make a difference. No fuel gain but no loss either. Seems to rev forever in third.

  • @cruelantimatter
    @cruelantimatter 5 років тому

    Great vid, now start stocking rear tyres as you'll need them. Got the German race chip box fitted to my Bmw.

  • @highgradetroll
    @highgradetroll 5 років тому +2

    16:14 Emma's got a voice of a angel!
    Lol I'm dead bro

  • @dennis.r1064
    @dennis.r1064 5 років тому +7

    Good choice rick
    I think if I ever brought a car brand new this would be the route I would take, just makes sense trying to save your warranty and avoid unwanted bills.
    Tbh this is a bit of an eye opener to tuning boxes for me as I’ve always had cars mapped.

    • @EAD_0
      @EAD_0 2 роки тому +2

      *bought

    • @dennis.r1064
      @dennis.r1064 2 роки тому

      @@EAD_0 cheers

    • @fxgang6962
      @fxgang6962 Рік тому

      @@EAD_0 Cry about his spelling 😭😭 clown boy 🤣🤣👉👉🤡🤡

  • @user-og3cz1rg9v
    @user-og3cz1rg9v 5 років тому

    Looks a professional place, they even got a guy called chip in a tuning place 😀💪🏼

  • @arsalan7x720
    @arsalan7x720 5 років тому

    Ricky you’re license plate is R5 LLF? How do you get it like that? Do you have some advice on how I can get a custom plate?

  • @bilbobagginzss5536
    @bilbobagginzss5536 5 років тому

    Would love to see rear camera footage when the car's kicking out or when you're on throttle.. nice vid as always man keep it up :)

  • @Danielz82
    @Danielz82 5 років тому

    So what is the 1-7 options. U can have up to 7 maps?

  • @speedfreaksuk3451
    @speedfreaksuk3451 5 років тому

    Beast

  • @malekdahou95
    @malekdahou95 5 років тому +2

    TDi Tuning seems to really know their stuff. Decided to see where they are located and turns out they are 5mins drive from my work 😂 don’t think a tuning box would make much difference to my E220 Taxi Edition though 😂

  • @MH-jo4ww
    @MH-jo4ww 5 років тому

    Best car UA-cam channel by far, seen this channel grow from 10 subscribers and its mad to see it keep pushing but one thing though is look after yourself and Ur body and try hit gym Coz can see the stress on Ur face

  • @rasmusbonn
    @rasmusbonn 5 років тому +2

    Very cool! Can you also dyno it to show proof?

  • @BAMBAMii95
    @BAMBAMii95 5 років тому

    This “engineer” around 14:19 says each stage of the 1-7 numbers depicted is about a ~5 (give or take, depending on the car) hp increase but 7 x 5 = 35 and 435hp (“engineer”’s car as an example) + 35hp = 470hp and not “...525 easily on this tune”.
    Also, always dyno and race! A good race always gives things away. I’ve seen more than a few people get these “tuning boxes” and TDI ‘s too in specific and I’ve never been able to tell the difference and when I raced a mate with the same car as myself, who had a TDI, he ended up losing consecutively! His car was slower - more good than bad it seems.
    Great video, Ricky!

    • @willsy5164
      @willsy5164 5 років тому

      smaB 1 “5bhp DOWN from max”

  • @waseemscookingrecipes2396
    @waseemscookingrecipes2396 5 років тому

    Very Nice mod Ricky

  • @petrolheadfamily6465
    @petrolheadfamily6465 5 років тому

    7 seconds into the video 👌 power

  • @adamtaylor3201
    @adamtaylor3201 5 років тому

    For the price of that box you could get a live map anyway. But for Ricky it works with warranty etc. But if you don’t need to worry about that then just take it to a decent tuner.

  • @JD2ndcity
    @JD2ndcity 5 років тому +11

    It would be really good to see this on the dyno to check AFR, it's what's holding me back from a purchase.

  • @ThrowBack921
    @ThrowBack921 5 років тому

    Cool video, would have been good to cover a little more on the quick installation. What is it plugging into?

  • @chrisconlon2579
    @chrisconlon2579 5 років тому

    Good vid Ricky, I was gonna go down the road off a tuning box for my m135i, the only issue is they don't support decats or future mods.

  • @jordanbayliss388
    @jordanbayliss388 5 років тому

    Ricky’s ay driver uno 💨💨💨

  • @mrbmtb8803
    @mrbmtb8803 5 років тому

    I have one on my golf, made a big difference to the performance, more than I expected! 👊🏽

    • @realeyes2458
      @realeyes2458 2 роки тому

      Any problems so far? What golf have you got?

    • @mrbmtb8803
      @mrbmtb8803 2 роки тому

      @@realeyes2458 no bud I ran it for year and then took it off when I sold it , it was a 1.9 pd105 Mark 5

    • @realeyes2458
      @realeyes2458 2 роки тому

      @@mrbmtb8803 thank you?

  • @thedarkgreenvanman
    @thedarkgreenvanman 5 років тому

    Sounds similar to the JB4, hope you enjoy the tune man these boxes make a big difference for sure

  • @uptheduffagain
    @uptheduffagain 5 років тому +6

    Each to their own and all that and a lovely car you have but i personally couldn't put up with all that wheel spinning as it is just wasted power,and that is what i love about my Mitsubishi Evo X,it will stick like shit to a blanket whatever the weather,and being in the UK the weather in normally crap.