Starship Lore : Andorian Ships - Mongers of War, Maybe
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- What's up Lore Masters, Let's discuss the Andorian Vessels! Basically mongerers of War.. maybe.. what do you think?
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The Vulcans wouldn’t give us the phasers but the Andorrans were more than glad to.
"The Ares class looked good in simulations, real good, but data can only take you so far. The only true test for a combat vessel, is combat."
you mean inhabitants of Andorra???
“Then there was Garth, that mad Izarian son of a bitch.”
I seriously want to watch an entire series based on Axanar.
I'm a year late, but since when did Andorra have phasers? I thought they were just a tiny country in between Spain and France.
I really liked the way the Andorians were represented in Enterprise. They were a noble and honorable founding member of the Federation.
Absolutely. They need more love
I hope we see more of them in future shows hopefully a new trek not involved with std
@@KingOfLesbia
Maybe use a bit of beta Canon and use the time when andoria temporarily left the federation and you can have the drama of a andorian captain struggling to decide whether to stay in starfleet or leave.
And the adventures of the ship could contrast his loyalties to his home with his oath will starfleet and the relationship of his crew
Likewise
I love the Andorians. Commander Shran is one of my favorite Star Trek characters.
The Andorians (especially Shran) are my favorite part of ENT
shrans a fucking BOSS
You're right, pinkskin.
They're certainly on my short-list of favorite parts. There's never a dull moment with the Andorians around.
YES. The Andorian episodes are great, because you always wonder what shenanigans they're going to get up to (and let's be real, they're always up to something.) The hell of the thing, though, is that though they cause chaos, they actually mean well, and always seem to have a lot more in common with humanity. Even though they look down on United Earth technology, one gets the impression that they also kind of respect our efforts to explore despite being at such a disadvantage, and are kind of rooting for humanity to advance and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them.
Jeffrey coombs no matter the role always put 100% into it. And Shran was one of the best things from enterprise
The Andorians in Enterprise were great. Combs was just fantastic like you said.
@RedneckSpaceMan I wouldn't go so far as racist, more like a friendly competition. Shirts vs. Skins kind of ribbing. Vulcans, they were racist as hell.
hes a bit of a star trek legend, not bad considering hes been playing different characters in every show and hes not even a regular (well regular(ish) in enterprise).
The man is a genius. Every horror movie he's ever been in, he is the best thing about it.
@@sid2112 If Andorians could call us pink skins I see no issue on us calling them blueberries (space smurfs would be my second option)
Andorians were better friends to humanity than the Vulcans were.
I think the Vulcan would say that that is Andorian propaganda
@@Veretax but that would be Romulan propaganda. :D
The Andorians were better friends to Humanity simply because they were more relatable than the Vulcans were...more human. They taught us that the other alien factions in space, while different, were human enough that we could relate with them. What did the Vulcans do? They smothered us, and told us we were inferior and unready, rather than helping us GET ready.
Yeah they sold us Guns. Best Friends in my book
@shurednichso no, people are shit. Humans in general are nuts but kind.
My thoughts are, "I love the Andorians. It's a criminal shame how under explored they are. "
The problem with Vulcans, Andorians etc. in the ENT - can be explained with one thing. They cancelled the freaking show - So after fixing Vulcans, and showing us a glimpse of Andorians and Tellerites, they finished everything with a Bullshit episode. So the entire path from First Mutual Operation of four Powers (Well 3 and Humanity, but Humanity was a glue) to making the Coalition of Planets was the PERFECT time to show us at least the four species in it's fullest. I really wish they would make the follow-up - I am usually against Prequels in ST, but it stops, when the Federation is formed - I would love to see the building of what would be in future Federation.
A follow up would be fun
@@LoreReloaded In the beginning of ENT Vulcans were annoying, but it was fixed (whether you like the quality of fix - is VERY subjective - I like it for most part, but I can see people yelling "Bullshit" - and understand them too), and it seemed to be going in right direction where you had right amount of Diplomacy/Action/Exploration and opportunity to deliver A MASTERPIECE that would not destroy the Lore, but add to it (and it would be relatively easy - since 95% of the lore is about the time after the federation was established), and make a show that would not only be a good Star Trek, but a very good show overall. Unfortunately they wasted this potential with the last Episode being a farce and fan-baiting. And now I have enough head-canon of what happened between the last episode and Establishment of Coalition that I could write a book (unfortunately I'm not a good writer and as you can see, English is not even my first language). Or two.
What is most disappointing is the proposed next season of Enterprise which would have had a lot of Andorian influence, since Shran was going to join the Enterprise crew as an advisor. He was to instruct and assists with the new Andorian tech that Enterprise was going to be retrofitted with as a secondary hull (there are mock ups of the new look, which is proto TOS Enterprise, and why wasn't the NX referred to as the Enterprise class?).
And also Andoria would have wanted him there to counterbalance T'Pol and maybe make sure there wasn't too much Vulcan influence. The interaction between the two would have been interesting as they have a bitter history of conflict, but are trying to get along for the common good. And they would both agree on how crazy humanity is, and would make observations from an outsiders perspective. Imagine them sitting down with Flox and discussing human quirks.Then over time Vulcans and Andorians discover that they actually can get along and like each other, once they get past the posturing. And having to endure humans may be a bonding experience.
As for the story arc next season, apparently Trips death was faked for the history books, and he goes full Section 31 (against Romulans), which was what that last crappy* episode was about showing that the history books lie and the dark lie at the centre of the idealistic Federation.
Off topic but in another recent video I discussed in a thread why did the Federation go with the ship layout of the least advanced member, when pumping out Andorian ships with Vulcan tech add ons (or vice versa, maybe a hybrid of the two) would be the most efficient and battle proven design.
And the one reason (besides political) I could think of is that because of the rapid tech upgrades from the other powers, Starfleet ships were uniquely able to be retrofitted easily since they were built with the expectation that new tech would be installed regularly because they were playing catch up, while the other powers ships were built on the assumption that they were state of the art and there would be only minor refits with individual parts.
Perhaps that's why Starfleet refer to completely changing the look of a ship as a minor refit, when you've added extra hulls and completely replaced the technological basis of your ships in the past, new looking nacelles and a different bridge are minor.
*Even worse than Voyager Endgame?
The Enterprise final was a planned red herring set up for shadow ops next season, not a quick 'the series canceled let's get them home with a deus ex machina' that ups the power level so much we have to get convoluted to explain why the Federation isn't kerb stomping everyone (Romulans, the Dominion in home turf if they get testy or don't reform) with ships that can one shot a Borg cube and can shrug off enemy fire with contempt. Seriously "we don't want the Borg to adapt to this" is the only argument the writers could use to explain why all Federation combat ships aren't ubermensch.
And if so why isn't the Federation building a bunch of Quantum slipstream battleships from the ground up to go take out the Borg before they recover from the transwarp hub (and adapt)… "So Seven, where are all these other hubs located?" Go to each one, maybe use the nearest left standing to get to the others fast, and blow them all then QS home in a few months or explore the new regions and keep hassling the Borg, knowing that reinforcements are being constructed and on the way. Destroy any Borg superstructures in space, and if being nasty deploy biogenic weapons on Borg planets (like with First Contact's plasma leak…hmm, I wonder if Section 31 got the plans for the Scimitar?).
Or just fire first when encountering Borg, rather than waiting for them to knock out half your shielding before one shoting the lot.
Admiral Janeway's tech is as big a leap as the concept of hyperspace ramming, except it's a controlled technology, not just a tactic anyone can use (Imagine if Leia from the future appeared and gave the Raddius an upgrade that could destroy a ISD with one shot and made it able to withstand point blank shots from the Supremacy).
Really the showrunners could have gone with a depressing final just for shock value (see Blake's 7), they crash land and have to set up a colony on a isolated world, go through a wormhole that leads to another galaxy, sacrifice themselves stopping some major calamity, or they end up joining another multi species alliance after Voyager gets trashed (I believe that's a parallel universe novel).
So basically the first wars with the Klingons and Romulans would have gone a lot better with Andorian battleships leading the way ?
Its not like the crew wanted to end Enterprise. The studio heads ended the show. We are lucky fans helped contribute some funds so we could get a few more episodes than we would have otherwise.
Okay, I know a lot of people have stated this, but your the one I am responding too. They actually had to fix the Vulcans because the problem with the Vulcan's started in First Contact. Recall, they were a major exploring power who clearly knew of Earth and had ships in the area and only came because of Earth's warp drive capability and saw the need to stay. This is in far contrast to how the Vulcan's operate in the 23rd and 24th centuries are as they seem to stay out of most of the affairs of the Federation, preferring pure pacifism and logic over all else. I believe in an interview with the creative staff the intent was always to show that development arc with the Vulcans but it was always suppose to be leading to a conflict with the Roumlans. It just didn't get that far because UPN was closed and Paramount didn't market Enterprise to any other network.
Shran was the man in the show or Andorian for the matter. Wish they actually did the Earth-Romulan War for Enterprise. Would have been cool to see all the ships from four different species working together for the first time.
A lost opportunity not to have Shran part of the crew
@@alanmike6883 That was actually the plan for season 5.
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Yet that's the biggest regret
@@theunknownone5990 season 5 and 6 would have been the war. 7 would have been the lead up to the founding of a UFP.
Pretty sure it was the Romulan war that got the Federation to found the modern Starfleet and unify their shipbuilding efforts. Earth aesthetics, Andorian weapons, Tellerite star charts, and Vulcan sensors and science equipment.
Everytime I watch Enterprise I like it more and more.
It had a rocky start but became great..
@@LoreReloaded Oi. Lore, have you seen Anti-Trekker's idea on how the Trek Timeline(s) could work?
@@generaljimmies3429 Not in it's entirety, no.
BirdOPrey5 Are you sure you’re not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?
@@LickMyRainbow77 Pretty sure.
I love the ship designs in Enterprise- They all seem like precursors to ships of the Federation later on.... Somehow.
@Ben Finny doesnt make it a bad one, kitbashes are lazy too but still sweet.
@Ben Finny Ehh---- I don't care--- Still my favorite star trek ship.
Ben Finny Most trek ships are lazy design. Besides, when they try to hard and make an original design fans hate them for being different.
Most of the fan base still thinks that the ships in DSC should have been nothing more than TOS kitbashes.
@@DrewLSsix they really should have, you cant help that people like something you dont. its simply a difference of opinion, where u see lazyness others see beautiful simplicity. ships in discovery just dont make sense with the 50 years of lore thats been established. Yes, i did want to see old school tos type stuff, i was geeking for it. what i got did not and doesnt appeal to me. ships shouldnt look cool for the sake of it, they arent meant to be art. they should be utilitarian. for example, the conny pylons are wayyyyyy to thing and a glaring weakness. they should be much thicker.
mosser 1989 You are just plain wrong. There is no utilitarianism to any of the TOS designs.
And the only era that doesn’t fit the rest of the trek lore IS tos, shown next to the rest of the franchise tos stands out as being vastly different and out of line with the rest of the franchise.
Tell me this, if the rest of the fleet in the TOS era was just a bunch of Connie parts arranged in random configurations why did every character seem to marvel at the Enterprise as being something special?
An admiral comes onboard and looks around in awe.... because the ship he came from had downward angled pylons instead of up angled?
We gotta give the andorians more love.
The closest race similar to humans.
In fact I think humans, andorians and klingons could all be good friends.
Have a fight then have a drink afterward
Just have to put together a little raiding party first to get some top shelf Romulan ale.
@@rinck17
Blame it on the cardassians, capture some Orion slave girls, and party like it's the 22nd century.
And if you die, party in stovakor 😊
@@rinck17
Imagine a klingon, andorian, and human singing and doing the what is love routine at Risa 😂
Perhaps my favorite Enterprise moment is when Captain Archer, furious over being questioned by the Vulcans over his actions in the Expanse, launches himself towards them, yelling about how the Andorians were willing to lend a hand during the war despite their ulterior motives, and yet the Vulcans, who are supposed to be allies of Earth, refused to lift a finger to help.
You need to back off of that hate for the last episode of Enterprise. It would be the best ending for Discovery Season 2. Captain Riker on the Titan ends program, looks at his now Commander Beta and says "I'm tired of these strange holonovels. No more for me."
hahah, i'd stand corrected for sure..
He woke up, it had all been a terrible dream.
Which would have been a great ending for Lost, if it was the polar bear having the dream.
That’s actually how Roddenberry intended to resolve TOS with the later shows and films, TOS was a fictionalization of what really happened. It goes hand in hand with his answer concerning the Klingons. What happened to them between TOS and TMP? Nothing! They always looked like that.
@@DrewLSsix I concur that roddenberry had alot of horrific ideas :p
Lore Reloaded You as a non creator apparently can’t understand the literal impossibly of what you seem to demand.
There is absolutely no way to create an ongoing extensive fictional universe that is absent any and all logical flaws or contradictions. And as proof I offer the fact that no such universe exists.
I also would remind you that among your favorite bits of trek lore are bound to be plenty that can only exist because they contradict something that came before. You seem to think that before some arbitrary point trek was some perfect cohesive thing, it never was.
Only people with no experience in producing their own compelling stories would fail to understand this.
The reason all ships use the same bridge layout is cultural contamination. As soon as a race makes first contact it see's how the more advanced race organises their bridge when they appear on the viewscreen. And it's not like being able to reverse engineer a warp core, putting consoles on certain locations doesn't require examining the ship physically.
As for the blue lighting, that does make sense. Klingons have dull muddy lighting that matches their skin, and humans use bright indirect light because we come in different colours.
Having blue light just flatters the skin tones and makes you look more confident, important for gaining that little psychological edge.
Honestly I think Andorians have largely been ignored by Trek. Sure you see occasional ones via licensed material, or books (which both aren't cannon sources) but otherwise outside of some episodes of TOS, some dialogue in TNG and DS9, and how they appeared in ENT largely Andorians aren't really even touched upon. The funny thing is the Tellerites have it worse. These are founding members of the Federation and you don't see them on Federation ships.
The Enterprise D has a freaking Klingon on their senior staff and not one other ship has an Andorian or Tellerite to speak of? Get the hell out.
Lore Reloaded: “Andorian Ships - Mongers of war, Maybe.”
Shran: Hold my beer
indeed..
It would be Ale, but Yea!!
* Hold my beer, pink skin.
@@LoreReloaded Oh god, i think Patrick Stewart just lost his mind!
Did you know that in all the current Star Trek Mess... HE WENT TO THE PLAYBOY?!
He's making a little Explanation about Dogs and Dog Breeds over there!
Just sitting in a chair with his big Dog and sweet-talking it.
Can I just say that Jeffrey Coombs is a absolute top shelf actor. Trek is at its best when it hits on some of these absolutely great actors, like Avery Brooks, Patrick Stewart, Colm Meaney, and Andrew Robinson.
FUN FACT, the andorian ships bridge was a redress of the valdore class bridge and that was a redress of voyagers bridge
The helm however was a redress of the equinox helm
*recycle is key*
Also why before your 21st birthday? Lol I keep forgetting in North America the age for drinking is 21 lol
it is indeed!
"Blue" species have blue themes for their ships, everybody knows, this this is a universal law in the universe and villains are mostly poison green ;)
@Ben Finny Exceptions prove the rule and I said, mostly. ;)
Ok I’ll be that guy - SW/ST crossover? Do Andorian’s produce Blue Milk???? #thesearethequestions
Wait, so how many gelato machines did they have again? Oh wait, the alien equivalent of gelato. Can't just assume they'd call it gelato. Maybe it was blue milk.
I think they are more into sorbet.
If/when they do a post Dominion War TV series or movies, I hope we'll see more local starships rather than all Starfleet.
I can imagine that with post war reconstruction and learning from the weakness of defending a vast amount of territories, different Federation member worlds would rebuild their own local military for last line of defense purpose when Starfleet is in disposed of. Vulcan, Andorian, and the other members would design new ships inspired by their own history for this purpose.
With CGI more affordable to produce than with practical models, I hope we'll see more varieties of ships.
The diet is called the Quantum Oberth. Quickly gain a bunch of crap and then explode.
Defense/excuse for the Andorian lighting scheme: Andorians evolved on an ice world, so it would make sense that their vision was more accustomed to bright, bluish light, glaring off the endless snow and ice in all directions.
... Now I'm imagining Shran constantly bumping into crap every time he had to come aboard the Enterprise 'cause the pink-skins' ships are too damn dark for them to see.
Now imagine him on something like DS9 or a Cardassian vessel, since they have even worse lighting.
Best f*cking underrated Star Trek Alien Race EVER!!
Andorian Space Keggers!
Now that's an episode I would watch.
Hahahahaha, I love how you broke down the Vulcans and the Andorians! Over bearing but well meaning dad, and wild uncle, HA!
Honestly, the bluish cast to the lighting just kind of makes sense outside of stylistic stuff: Andorians are probably very used to seeing light filtered through water ice, which scatters blue light, presumably that's associated with daytime and alertness when maybe warmer colors would be associated with gathering around a fire and chilling. :)
As for ship class nomenclature , there's only so many logical ways to do it. Basically, "A ship like the first one like this," ie, class names, ...model numbers, like the Klingons would often do, or maybe date of introduction, also like a model number.
It wouldn't make sense for, say the US Navy to call all destroyer types "American Destroyer" cause that could be like the USS The Sullivans or something far more high-tech and not even looking much like the first 'destroyers'.
ST: ENT established that the Vulcan society was being influenced by covert Romulan infiltration at the time the show started. Manny Coto restored the Vulcans to a more recognizable state in the fourth season. As for Andorians, I sort of view them as being a less malevolent version of the Cardassians... they're a military race at the time of ENT, but unlike the Cardassians, they can be reasoned with and aren't really seeking to expand themselves into an empire. I like that Andorian ships looked more like aircraft than ships. I would have enjoyed this video more if you hadn't taken so many unfair and, frankly, callow digs at ST: ENT. You almost never sound like you want to be doing a video when you do a video, also.
In ref to the last line, I'll guess part of the sarcasm is in ref to no matter how many notes, sub exceptions, conditions, and Star-Number conditions are added to something like this, there will be YT commenters saying he is 'wrong', lol.
I will admit, that I have only ever had a chance to see the 2 part pilot of ST ENT, and it was "OK" compared to the original cast movies and was also "OK" compared to TNG... (thinks of STD) rrrrr, now that I think about the other episodic Trek shows of late, it was EPIC Real Trek!
Maybe, if, The Axanar that CBS shut down and promised us STD would be is allowed to actually happen as it was hinted at being in the 'Prelude' vid, then maybe I'll consider giving CBS money to see the rest of ST ENT. As of now, considering how Stage 9 was treated, I just can't feel good about Trek. I guess that's why I find Lore Reloaded's sarcastic continuity jokes just that much more enjoyable.
Hah..that's me having fun..I'll work on inflection and such and take the feedback..I do enjoy what I do
Enterprise is quite good. Although it's cramped and uneven - especially first 2 Seasons - but to be fair we got a bit of what ST is about- exploration - just seems that not EVERY M class planet has sentient life - what a shocker. And while I like the Time arc - without spoiling too much - it made things convoluted. It shouldn't have been used so often. Though again to be fair it is important in like 8 episodes at most? Of all four seasons.
And for me it has almost as good re-watch quality as DS9
I dislike writing, directing and the cast of ENT. But god damn I loved it's internal continuity. (Note I said internal. Not series wide. Wider cont. would have been better of course.)
That's why I appreciate ENT far more then VOY.
@@randms2fake Yes - the whole Vulcan Arc for example - I would also be mad why Vulcans are such assholes - but then we find out. And not just off-screen - I think it was 3 episodes - this making change to Vulcans. As I wrote in another comment I wish there were more seasons because we could have gotten Diplomacy/Action/Exploration balance that would make it Great. I want to see how Coalition of Planets was established, even if it's from Enterprise perspective - they have updates, some more missions with Andorians/Tellerites/Vulcans etc.
As for your criticism - Cast is very subjective - I liked it although could have been better (Excpet Shran - Combs played him spectacularly - as freaking usual). Writing, especially in the beginning was horrible, but they were making progress, and by season four they were far better. Directing - that's hard to tell, because it is so intertwined with Writing, that it is hard to judge it on it's own - for me at least.
And if You're looking for a series that has the best continuity ever - Check out Stargate SG-1, if you haven't already. You don't even have to watch the movie - most of it is explained in the pilot. I just hope that you can look past the cheap props and little cringey first episodes (especially pilot). When you are in Season 8, and discover that something that was talked about in season 1 or 2 is still valid and important - they just made one mistake - continuity-wise - and they had to nerf (well not technically, but they stopped using one property) one of the alien weapons - I'm not going to spoil it for you or anyone else - just check it out - it's 10 seasons of Epic!
The two best reasons to watch ST-Enterprise are Linda Park and Jolene Blalock.
I think that it would've been cool to see an Andorian battlecruiser face off against a Klingon D5.
That could be fun for sure
Way back in the 80’s and early 90’s with all the Fasa content it was said that it was the Andorians that introduced phaser and photon torpedo technology to the humans. They were supposed to be the inventors of the photon torpedo that was eventually emulated by all other races. Their ships were usually designed to be torpedo heavy. Even the Starfleet ships design by Andorian shipwrights were often designed as “torpedo cruisers” like the Andor class from Fasa. I miss all that early content. Way better than what they have today for cannon
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82.9K subscribers The Andorian Kumari class Battle Cruiser is still my favorite of the Andorian ships, because it can go toe to toe with a Xindi Reptilian Warship and also with a Vulcan D'Kyr class Combat Cruiser.
I love your description of the Vulcans and the Andorians. Of course, we all love that crazy uncle.
I think the Andorians probably are as strong, if not stronger, than the Klingons. I think the problem is that there just aren't as many of them, since they evolved on an ice world.
I love the Disapproving Vulcan father and the wild uncle Andorrian line! Poetry!
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The Andorian Imperial Guard existed well after the formation of the Federation going by A Mirror Darkly. Much like Vulcan High Command in Voyager, 31st century Vulcan cruiser in Enterprise and Vulcan Expeditionary Group in Discovery where Vulcans still kept a fleet of their own as well. Which means Starfleet alone was federalized. While MACO was disbanded and UESPA still remaining. TOS did mention Earth Forces sent to rescue Tarsus IV but we don't know much about it.
The Andorian aesthetic is so nice.
I had to buy the T6 Andorian Sci Pilot ship just for the Improved Grav well, which is totally worth it :)
On lore's comment about the bridges all looking the same. This could be explained by the fact the Vulcans and Andorians were in a cold war and it is suggested that the Vulcans have better Tec and so the Andorians having a lot of info on Vulcan bridges would make scene and make scene in replicating it. Also Star Fleet while being slowed down by the Vulcans would have a lest a little knowledge of Vulcan and possible the bridges. Furthermore other races what are less advances or don't place value in advancement would find it easier to copy the largest powers in the reign. The Vulcans and the Andorians and the Klingons would likely just copy past for there ships.
Actually, if you think about it, Enterprise had one forward station and a bunch of consoles more or less facing it. The Kumari was in fact very like the TOS Enterprise, so maybe the Constitution class involved *Andorian* design to that extent. :) (I always used to figure that funny-shaped phasers actually weren't shaped like Earth guns cause they reflected some other Federation member's designs. I actually thought it was really fitting that in the first episode that farmer's plasma rifle basically was the same shape as a shotgun. Why wouldn't it be. :)
Andorians were one of *the* bests parts of Enterprise. Which is to no small degree thanks to the actors who played the Andorians and I'm not only talking about Jeffrey Combs. Even the side characters of the Andorians were good.
Enterprise would have deserved at least one more season that should've been about the Federation early days. The whole Vulcan-Andorian conflict was fun. Not always logical, but fun.
General Shran's antics made Enterprise watchable. One of my all time favorite trek characters.
I liked Shran quite a bit..
In the game I'm playing, the Vulcans and Andorians don't like each because Vulcan rivals the Andorians before I can invite them both into a Coalition. But there is an event chain that solves that issue. Works pretty Damn good too.
The Andorians tech may have had more a major part in the early Federation Star Fleet I find it's a real shame that we never got to see the formering of the Federation fleet it's much like how advanced the Romulan were compaired to the other Alpha Beta Quadrant races.
It's called method acting. You try to portray a thin, fit chef and see how seriously you'll be taken by the senior crew when they visit the galley.
It’s interesting that the Andorian ships (at least from the outside) are more similar to later Federation ships than Vulcan ships. I wonder if that suggests they, along with the humans, had more influence on ship design in the Federation than other races.
Speculation: In all things warship related, the Vulcans are probably just half a step ahead. If either held an advantage over the other, open war would occur and that lesser side would be history. We know that Vulcan ships are able to do warp 7, with a secondary class rated at 6.5. It is feasible that Andorian ships are slower.
As for the comparison against the NX series, it spent most of its time at 4.5 and rarely more. Even if the Andorians can do warp 6 that is a huge difference in speed even if the NX is moving at warp 5.
Holy hell, I can count the amount of Pixels in the image at 5:20 on one hand! lol
Joking aside, another informative and entertaining video Lore!
oh yea, its awful..
Damn, I wish I had the crazy uncle!
Haha, my Dad was just complaining about the last episode of ENT the other day after seeing it on TV. I always skip that one when rewatching ENT.
I never really had an issue with the final episode of Enterprise. I didn't love it, but the sort of "last goodbye" to Star Trek felt pretty fitting given Enterprise was the last pierce of Star Trek content ever produced. I do find it funny that people always go to "but Riker fat!" as if it's the most glaring issue ever and not something sci-fi shows do all the time when they do flashbacks and what not.
The decipher RPG(Assuming it counts as canon?) Says that the klingons once tried to raid andorian shipping. It says that it turned into a disaster for the klingons as Andorians fight back hard, and there tech is just as good as the klingons. After that the high council banned any further attempts on andorian shipping and switched to picking on races that couldn't kick the ever loving S%&t out of them.lol
It has been a while since I have seen an up close clear picture of an Andorian ship. Several of the details I think lend credibility to a theory I have been mulling over that fills in some gaps in franchise logic and helps draw evolutionary lines that better connect the ship designs in Discovery with the rest of the franchise.
The issue I have seen is that despite being a coalition of dozens to hundreds of worlds Starfleet ships seem almost strictly human in design and compliment.
We never see Andorian or Vulcan ships at Starfleet/ federation battles, they never seem to show up to defend the capital planet from probes or Borg or... other probes... or more Borg, and once or twice Romulans!
I already have a working theory as to why they chose the weakest of the member worlds to be their official military fleet, but the diverse styles of ships in Discovery I think go a long way towards showing that perhaps there was at one time more clear input from the other races.
The Andorian ship shown has similar nacelle forms to several Starfleet ships seen in DSC, they seem to lack the line of sight requirement usual to earth like starships. It's likely that ships like the Magee class are at least somewhat Andorian in design and structure, with a clear trend toward homogenization with what would be the standard Starfleet saucer based Design. The Magee in DSC was named the Shran no less!
So, in brief my theory is that after the founding of the federation the members were leery of each other and so chose the least capable of them to be their "standing" military arm with the other worlds fleets largely standing down unless required.
This right away reinforces the idea of Starfleet coming in piece and preferring not to fight, they didnt exactly have the means to stomp around the quadrant starting shit.
A century later around the time of DSC the status quo had evolved to a point where member worlds were actively contributing to Starfleet in design and personnel, remember Sppck was the very first Vulcan to actually join the organization that had existed for nearly a century! It's not surprising that we see ships more resembling Andorian tech than Vulcan ring ships, though we do see a Vulcan shuttle in TMP perhaps 15-20 years later that has nacelles similar to DSC era ships.
But it's around the DSC era that we see a noticable trend, the hodgepodge of designs and features of the old fleet are replaced with a more modular design ethic very much rooted in old earth Starfleet with the introduction of the Constitution class starship.
From this point the fleet takes on the commonly seen "kitbash" Look we are mostly familiar with. Instead of a bunch of ships vaguely adhering to some standard they are all designed to fit perfectly within a set of classes and sub classes. Each generation tending to start with a new flag ship sized model that gives birth to several sub classes sharing similar architecture and tech, and each subclass gaining several variants.
This tactic makes sense since federation space must be getting quite voluminous at this point and they are still actively pushing out into deep space. Even though we mostly see ships alone or in pairs the fleet must number in the thousands at least to get even the thinnest coverage of their space.
Then, I like to think things came full circle, in response to the Borg threat they must have done the only logical thing. A fleet of technologically identical ships is the last thing you want facing that kind of enemy so they drew on what would be the one asset the Borg would always lack, diversity. Instead of every new ship in the fleet coming from variants of the same mold engineers and designers of all types across the federation went to work designing ships that attacked the problem from their unique perspectives. So by the time of the battle of 001 the ships we see are not all of the same mold, they are nearly as diverse in form and function as the old pre Constitution fleet.
Eyy. If you saw an enterprise episode intro, and it started with blue antennae on a viewscreen, it was a good episode.
Shran MADE the Andorians on Enterprise. None of the others were interesting. But Shran was a great foil for Archer.
I actually liked what Enterprise did to the Vulcans. It was nice to see them with a few flaws for once, and then the reformation that brought them into the Federation.
Season 5-7 of Enterprise most likely would have given us a lot more info about these ships becasue of the 1st Romulan/Earth war given that it would be a major part of the series at that time.
Plus those wing pylons hold all the extra awesomeness.
5:54 preach brother! It was intended as a 'love letter' to fans, the result was a dumpster fire of inconsistency and cheap loss.
The Andorians, despite our differences always had our backs.
That comment about the bridge layouts being almost the same... maybe most races had similar common sense? :P
Miltaries do what works best, if this design works them doing it isnt surprising
We do all descend from a common ancestor.
However, I think it has far more to do with visual shorthand and the need to constantly redress old sets.
If someone comes up with something that works, you copy it, maybe with a few tweaks to make it work for you. So the real question is who made the first 'warship' in the setting? Figure that out and you've probably found the granddaddy of all of them.
@@BlackBanditXX Earth would have taken influence from either our own past or the vulcans, or a mix of both. bridges on an aircraft carrier are nothing like a startship bridge and sailing ships only had a wheel with people running around doing stuff and yelling. so i imagine they would have taken the basic setup from the vulcans, but did anyone influence the vulcans?
Love the Touhou reference.
To think now Yukari is now only 317 years old.
I say she's closer to 1700 which makes the claims of being 17 completely true just not in years.
@@Patchuchan Actually, I think you are right about that.
Just wanted to keep the joke going.
Although, hopefully, this won't turn into fan fiction fodder unlike "Marvel's X-MEN with Star Trek".
BTW that actually was real comic book.
Lore Reloaded, you could do a nightmare episode about "X-MEN vs. Star Trek comic. Just be ready for the twilight zone of the comments section.
I'd hate to be the Captain of an Andorian ship on Baked bean night.
"I knew we shouldn't have stopped at that Space Taco Bell....."
In defense of Riker in the finale. . .just was we used to say "a camera adds 10 pounds" it is possible that a holodeck (being much bigger and more complex) adds 60 pounds! lol
that's fair..
You're forgetting the Vissians, they were extreamly advanced for the time. Almost TNG level during ENT.
RE: "High Warp"
Given the differences in speed from one Warp Factor to the next, Warp 6 (TOS scale) would blow past the NX-01 like it was standing still.
Which it appears to.. though warp 10 may be waay high..
@@LoreReloaded that was my thought. 6, maybe 7 seems reasonable. Faster than that, and we have to wonder why they were holding out when the Constitution-class could only make Warp 9 with Scotty flipping out in Arena.
I do like the intro, that is funny, lol. Also, I suspect that "Michael Burnham is awesome" (that's a long name to say) is too illogical for any Volcan, and thus I suspect she is half Romulan with a hint of Q-complex if anything, that or Everybody Else on the Discovery she served with had significant difficulty graduating preschool, lol. Back on track, isn't it odd that this is another alien race with multiple ships that all look alike from the smallest to largest, almost like they just hit the zoom button to cheap out on giving the prop department more funding? hmmm.
glad you enjoyed..
Andorian ships are pretty cool but once I see an Andorian I just cant take them seriously lol blue with little antenna 😂 Its more cute than threatening! The Klingons looks badass! They dont even have to speak! I wish Enterprise had concentrated on showing us more of what the earth ships were like back then rather than every other race!
People never grasp that the end of enterprise, was just Riker and Troy watching the ceremony at the end, but in the 23rd century as a historical holodeck program.
If you thought that all of enterprise was a holodeck program you and many many others are wrong.
As a comment of bridge design, I imagine that regardless of species I imagine bridges would be set up pretty much the same, as that is simply an efficient way of organization.
Love this vessel in star trek online, Strong glass cannon she was.
Damn. Missed your live chat. I'll have to catch that next time.
Riker's weight loss was probably a transporter malfunction.
Do a vid on the difference between warp factors in TOS, and Next Generation, please.
4:10 I think it has more to do with them having a blue star in their home system, dude. Just like blue light keeps us awake but if we have yellow light our eyes rest easier. Our sun is yellow, get it?
5.54 LOL drunk Suika working the camera.
So does an Andorian live in a blue house with a blue window and drives a blue corvette?
I love the andorian ships...so cool
Vulcans may have had a slight tech advantage but I do feel they were equally placed.
The andorians had a empire of sorts with other worlds while it seems the Vulcans were restricted to a handful of systems.
Holy shit he's a touhou nerd! the suika is appreciated.
Once the Federation was in place and Star Fleet became the defacto space navy of the Federation, I like to think that the member races would have worked together to build those ships through technology exchange. While it may have taken some time, within a few years the new starships would have had the best technology available. By the time the Constitutions were built, certainly they would represent the best of all the Federation member worlds. That said, the Constitutions might well have Vulcan transporters, Andorian phasers and the best warp drive the finest minds in the Federation could produce. It almost certainly far surpassed the 22nd century Human, Andorian and Vulcan ships in almost every respect, so the best speed we could expect out of a Vulcan or Andorian ship of this era? Maybe warp 7 (TOS scale).
Because of both the Romulan and Klingon neutral zone during the original series I would think the romulans was would be up there vying for power between the Klingons and andorians.
6:00 one you missed Lore in that episode Riker had grey in his hair they didn't think to cover up for continuity.
4 days without Lore ?? About to go Shren on you .. Love the new Lore
I loved the Andorians. I wish they would’ve had more of them in other series.
Vulcans are your absent father who gets out of prison, but is a good guy. He wasn't around for years, and when he shows up tries too hard. Andorians are your drunk uncle who will let you drive his semi truck into an interstate.
OK so I watched every video of yours twice now. Great content keep it up and happy holidays. Do you know that star trek Channel that does its own animations? You guys are like made to collab.
Whats it called?
@@LoreReloaded resurrected starships if I'm not mistaken.
@@LoreReloaded he doesn't get as much attention on UA-cam like all animators. They need weeks sometimes to make content and so the algorithm tears them a new one.
Honestly im fine with a group having similar bridge designs to me its lije colverant evolution on earth, you know the creatures reach the same solution for a similar problem though more could have been done but when trek been about worldbuilding and continuity lol
I thought the Andorians were one of the better aspects of enterprise (not that I particularly liked most of that series) and they definitely should have expanded further upon them.
Vulcans: advancing their technology past their capabilities may be a mistake and they might revert to their war like state
Andorians: give the monkeys space gats
3:36 I never realized Voyager's captain's chair was genuine Andorian leather.
Nothing personal, but I loved the Last episode of Enterprise, I love it and watch it every day (then I hacked up a lung). No, I think that last episode was thrown together at the last minute as apparently the creative staff was already well into planning the next season when the cancellation was announced. As a result, they wanted to use it in a way that would hopefully drum up more approval for the show and traditionally that's been a Diana and Will cameo episode. But the Andorian ships were tough, but since they aren't the hero ship of the show, they don't get much love which is pretty typical of the franchise as a whole. To be honest, sometimes its better that way. Just think of how people saw the Borg before Voyage, then afterwards. Sometimes its the mystery that makes them seem better.
6:00 I thought it was good just had a issue with the placement of it, it should have been riker finally pandering over his promotion and it being a longtime coming for the titan and yadyada archer inspires him.
By the end of STE, I came out liking the Andorians more than the Vulcans... The Vulcans came off to high & mighty
Given that even in TOS, Vulcans are seen as arrogant, that means they were doing it right. :)
“A Vulcan’s gonna do what a Vulcan’s gonna do.. But the Andorians? They were happy to give us their phasers!”
I think the Kumari got pretty good coverage for being a guest ship. Pretty cool design too. Practical but with flair. Too bad Eaglemoss is out of stock.
Nice.
I like Lore Master
this is ridiculously nitpicky but technically the klingons were a beta quadrant (based) power... it always bothered me in DS9 when they talked about having to save the alpha quadrant since the other two major powers fighting the dominion were the romulan star empire and the klingons- both in the beta quadrant.
TOS 10, 11 and 12 equate to roughly TNG 7.94, 8.65 and 9.32. So probably warp 8 capable.
Damn I’ve got to watch this show again. I never made it all the way through and now have to see the final episode. My wife has (finally) discovered Star Trek, and we’ve been going chronologically- and are in Season 3 of Voyager now. (Her fav so far, although she’s super partial to Nog on DS9). Can’t wait to get to Enterprise. #thatTHEMEthough, #andoriansrock
i have heard that Andorians are really good at making WMD's
dont forget the ready rooms always had bars
you are wrong, the most advance species in enterprise era of alpha quadrant is definitely romulan, they already have stealth and a single unmanned ship of theirs capable of effectively waging a covert war, not to mention extremely hard to destroy with insane dogging capability
while vulkans often get a serious bitch slap from many other race, such as tholians
A good video once again but just had a thought. Was thinking of the purposes new patrick Stuart show coming. Well I am just after watching star gate sg1, the episode where jack O’Neil was cloned but the clone was a younger version.
Well wouldn’t it be a good new show where the younger O’Neil is now with the sgc but now he is like the carter character, the brains (remember he decided to go back to school) but with the O’Neil sarcasm.
I think it could work and oh ya have carter as commander of the sgc as well.
What do us all think