Lee Enfield .410 Musket MK 1Z Ammo
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2017
- In this video we have a look at .410 Musket MK 1Z l ammo.
This round was intended to be used in the "Indian .410 Musket", a Lee Enfield No.1 Mk III converted to a smooth bore for police use.
The round is basically a .303 British case that was not given a taper and a neck, and was loaded with a single lead round ball. This particular ammo was made in Pakistan, as Pakistan also used this firearm and cartridge after they separated from India.
Shooting video of this ammo may be found here:
• .410 MK 1Z Musket Ammo... - Наука та технологія
Very Many Thanks for posting this dissection, the wrapped cartridge package is very reminiscent of the Martini-Henry packaging, they will be very much sought after in future by collectors, it is good that their make up has been documented now !Happy Christmas to you.
Yes, it is quite similar to the Martini-Henry packaging. Merry Christmas to you as well.
Very cool to see this , 2nd time I've run across them in a month !
Seen some of these at a gun show recently in Illinois !
Thanks for sharing !
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Very interestuing video. Shooting channel is one of the best on youtube!
Glad you like the video. Thanks for commenting.
I bought 6 wooden crates of this ammo (180 rds per crate) a couple years ago for around $30 crate... I liked the surplus crates, that’s why I bought them... most of the Enfield No.1 MKIII’s were re-bored to shoot the .410 shot shell, so I never got the rifle... another excellent video!!
Sounds like a pretty good deal.
That's really nice looking 410 rounds. I had no idea anyone used a 410 in there military.
I think it's more of a police round than a military one.
This weapon is pretty great to use in a crew served way from other videos I have seen.
I doubt it would ever get overheated for excessive volume of fire.
I'm referring to the end of the forgotton weapons video about the weapon. It's a good laugh.
Yes, I remember watching that video a few years ago.
A dieset and .410 slugs wouod be good to see if the would work
314299,
I always enjoy see your videos. They are allways just a little different from the other shooting/gun videos. Thanks. Just a guess, but I wonder if they used a "basic" .303 case to make those cases since they were making .303 anyway.
I am pretty sure the cordite era 303 cartridges weren't necked until after the cordite charge was added anyway, so it would be normal to have a bunch of 303 straight wall brass on hand for normal military production.
Thanks for the breakdown of this ammo. I copied it as close as I could with .395 balls on hand. Got a 6" group at 50 yards. I'll be looking for a RB mold that makes a 410 ball.
6" at 50 yards is not bad for a round ball load. Best of luck finding a .410" ball mold, if you do come across a source please pass it along, I would not mind sourcing one myself.
I've never fired the 410 Enfield. But I see ammo everywhere for it down here in the states. A tiny wooden crate of 180 rounds is usually around the $50 UDS area. I have never seen anyone tear one down either.
I wish I could get a crate of the stuff, but I am quite lucky to have even got two packages.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching.
Very well done. Berdan or Boxer primer? Thanks.
The cases use the large (.250") Berdan primer.
Great video. Didn’t know they were loaded with a ball. I loaded lots with 4227, ww wad, no 8 shot, overshot wad and roll in the rim. Works great, good pattern at 20 yds. Thanks again.
PS. Use 444 sizing die to resize cases. Cases were made from heat treated and blown out 303 cases.
If I recall correctly I used a 44 mag seating die to "size' my fired brass .410 hulls, it only does the top portion but that seemed adequate.
@@314299 sounds good, I’ll give that a try. Thanks
A 444 case would make loading these easy. i did a few with 303 cases but the chamber was oversized and i was never able to get them back in the dies again.
i was firing them in a 44 shot that was reamed out buy the last owner to fire 410 shells.
The original chambers on the .410 Musket conversions will not accept a standard .410 shot shell. 303 cases are the perfect replacement, once they have been fire formed and are blown out pretty much straight. The original chambers are made to take a round made from .303 cases that were not completely formed, basically a .303 with no neck and no taper.
Thanks for opening some. Now it's archived for posterity! How was that knot tied that it came loose with a pull? I'd love to recreate that.
It's like half a bow. You can either start with a single overhand and then half a bow tie, or skip the overhand. They most likely cut the tag on the short half.
Good explanation, thanks.
Did you shoot and chrono the rounds, and if so, what was the outcome? Interesting disassembly video.
Yes I did, video is here: ua-cam.com/video/Sc2Yz-YEa64/v-deo.html
It's binder twine. Same stuff as baler twine but smaller diameter and tighter twist.
The word I could not think of was "Jute". Same material as old style baler twine only smaller.
i wonder if pof will = hangfire city?
I was wondering the same thing. I guess I will find out.
I have pulled balls, cushion wads ,and cards out of these cartridges with an inertial bullet puller. It is difficult but doable.
I just picked up a 1916 SMLE converted to .410 and I'm working up a round.
I have the brass and shot here. And powder, slug mold, and wads on the way. I found an airgun pellet shaped 410 slug with a hollow base. It should work very well out of my shotgun, and be a little more effective then a round ball.
Sounds like an interesting .410 mold, do you have a link to where you bought it from?
www.ebay.ca/itm/410GA-wad-cutter-pellet-bullet-mold-AS-Lyman-style/292198322361
I wanna try making these for my 410 henry
It's not that hard to make brass case 410 out of either 444 Marlin or .303 British brass, however the rims on these rounds may or may not work well in your Henry. A proper .410" round ball mold is not all that easy to find, but I do see them listed on eBay, made by "Svarog" out of of Russia.
Very interesting thank you :)
Glad you found it of interest. Thanks for the comment!
If you are looking for something to shoot that's easy to get and relatively cheap, I make .41 caliber lead round nose bullets, from 150 grain to 300 grain, and put them in standard .410 shotgun cartridges with a 15 to 17 grains of powder. It cost me about 50 cents per unit in materials. I just buy the bird-shot cartridges, melt down the pellets and cast my bullets. There is also a brass plated steel case .410 cartridge available with #4 buckshot for about a buck apiece.
My local gunshop has one of the .410 muskets, it's neat but I don't think I would want a .410 that heavy.
Yes they make for a very heavy .410, they are more for the collector and shooter of military surplus arms than they are for the practical user such as a hunter.
Question, can you safely fire 2 1/2" shot shells in one chambered in 3"?
You sure can, no issues at all.
@@314299 Thank you, I picked up a Lithgow 1944 nicely done sporter recently!
That was interesting,..should be even more so, to see the results when fired.
Let's hope that the rounds fire!
I picked up a sealed crate yesterday at the Oaks gun show in PA for 50 bucks I know they're not worth that much but the cool factor I just had to have them
A crate for $50 seems like a good deal to me.
314299 Shooting Channel thanksfor the reply, I also picked up about 25 rounds of 7.65 Argentine he rounds high explosive. They are all dated 1929 I would love to send you some so you could do a video on them if your interested let me know thanks
Thanks for the offer but that type of ammo would be illegal to have where I live.
I was hoping you'd use the corkscrew on your knife :)
yeah that is the only use i have found for it lol
It seemed a bit large and would have torn the wads to pieces, I think.
Not a necessary tool to open a bottle of Great White.
That piece of string is Jute thread (sutli).
Yep, that's what it is.
They still used muskets in the 1960s?
These .410 muskets/shotguns may still be in police armories in India even today.
Interesting. I'll never own a gun like that but love seeing the old stuff.
It's not exactly the most practical gun to have, I however do like the odd guns/ammo.
There was a little bit available in the late 90’s, but nobody wanted it, as the majority of the .410 muskets available at the time had been reamed out to accept commercial .410 shells. Come to think of it, nobody wanted the .410 muskets back then, either! I wonder where they all went.
I agree, from what I have seen there certainly are more of the "410 muskets" around North America that were converted to shoot the 3" 410 shell than there are ones still chambered for the original .410 Musket round. I expect most of the unconverted ones went to folks who collect Lee Enfields who just wanted an unaltered example for their collection.
@@314299 yes, it was actually incredibly difficult to find one for my collection. There are a lot more of them around now.
huh I was expecting it to have that green cordite stuff instead of powder
I recall reading that the British did use "chopped cordite" in some of these loads, however as these are not British made rounds they use the more conventional form of powder.
these rounds are worth a wad figuratively and literally
They are not expensive in the states where I see them listed, $44 for 180 rounds.
i wonder why they arent in canada. and of course there is the whole other thing that americans pay nearly half what canadians do for ammo
Probably too limited a market for anyone to bother with the paperwork involved in importing them.
Cork screw for wad removal
That works but none were handy but I had screws and pliers in the shop.
The twine is probably Jute.
Yes, that's the word I could not think of.
Great video，can you shoot Lee Enfield No 4 Mk 1 in 300-400 yard？I want to know about it.;]
I have shot a Lee Enfield No 4 at 300 yards and also further back at 500 and 600 yards, however that range is not open at the moment. Anything in particular that you want to know?
How about the dispersion in 400 yards?
Most of these Ishapore .410 SMLEs sold in the USA years ago, were rechambered by the importers to take standard 3 inch .410 shot shells to make them more marketable. If you have one of these, measure the chamber length! Mine was rechambered. The originals are just under 2 1/4" in length as is the .303 cartridge. Getting 3" or 2 1/2" shot shells is easy enough. 2 inch .410 shot shells can be had from RST. Surplus 1960s vintage POF (Pakistani) ammo is less than desirable. Better than nothing, but you will often encounter hang-fires and a few duds. This is probably why Pakistan started to sell the stuff off. It is often why most countries decide to sell off their surplus ammo, when it begins failing.
It's quite easy to tell an original, unaltered .410 Musket from one altered to take standard modern 3" shells. An unaltered original will not chamber either 2-1/2" or 3" .410 shells. The old brass .410 Musket shells can be safely fired in the 3" modified chamber, but will probably expand a little more than they would if fired in the original dimension chamber.
anyone try these in one of them henry 410s
It would be interesting to see if they work as the rims are flat faced unlike the 410 that has a rounded edge to the rims.
You can buy the ammo here jbtactical.us/ammo/shotgun/410/
@ 500 yards :D
500 inches? I can guarantee that there will be a "5" in the test distance number.
I just recently found this ammo.forsale
How much were they asking for it?
314299 Shooting Channel www.luckygunner.com/410-inch-mk1-indian-musket-98gr-musket-ball-180-rounds
There you go my canuck friend
Jute.
Yeah, that's the word I was looking for.
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