Vintage Russian STEEL Case 12ga. Shells - We test them

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  • Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
  • Today we test out some cool Russian steel case shells. These were generously donated to us to test out. Will these old shells still work or would it be better to just put these on a shelf and display them? We have no idea how well these worked when they were fresh, but with luck some viewers who have experience with them can share their thoughts.
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  • @inthefreytoo
    @inthefreytoo 3 роки тому +462

    The writing on the box reads:
    Starting at top line:
    "Fraction Number____"
    "Mass of gunpower "falcon" 2.2"
    "Shot charge mass 35"
    "capsule-Igniter 'Centroboy"
    "Average maximum pressure 65 MPa (633)"
    "Vendor Code"

    • @natttomes4588
      @natttomes4588 3 роки тому +13

      thanks

    • @StKapiVru
      @StKapiVru 3 роки тому +40

      Centroboy means Center hit - Center fire

    • @konstantinavilov1192
      @konstantinavilov1192 3 роки тому +35

      Small addendum: both weights (2.2 gunpowder and 35 shot) are in grams, and max.pressure is 663 (not 633) in kgf/cm^2.

    • @inthefreytoo
      @inthefreytoo 3 роки тому +8

      @@konstantinavilov1192 Thanks!!

    • @PavelKnyshov
      @PavelKnyshov 3 роки тому +17

      Last string - "ТУ СЦ 15-39" - technical conditions (specification / production standard) number SC15, 1939 edition.

  • @ValentinPlotnichenko
    @ValentinPlotnichenko 3 роки тому +384

    WOW! I remember when I was teenager in Russia in early 90s I had one of those spent cases from somewhere and we used it as a slide (bottleneck) to play blues-slide style tunes on guitar, finger fits inside and it is long enough to go over whole width of guitar stock.

    • @cacete7
      @cacete7 3 роки тому +33

      lol, being a guitar player myself, I immediatly thought of using it as a slide when I saw those spent shotgun shells at the end of this video. 👍
      Cheers from Brazil!

    • @averin5193
      @averin5193 3 роки тому +9

      i had a couple that my grandfather fired that i used for the same purpose, guess some things just work!

    • @josedorsaith5261
      @josedorsaith5261 3 роки тому +4

      That's actually a good idea. Brass works well for that, due to having low friction. They do look cool, too.

    • @FlyingPusssyfoot
      @FlyingPusssyfoot 3 роки тому +4

      I use glass but I bet the metal casing would make some interesting sounds, especially on acoustic guitar.

    • @АлексейМатвиенко-с9ю
      @АлексейМатвиенко-с9ю 2 роки тому +1

      Здорова земляк.

  • @12counterdog
    @12counterdog 3 роки тому +72

    When I was younger, In Ukraine. I remember every year before hunting season when the adults would start the reloading process. Everything reloaded by hand. Those were exciting times because you know the next morning you will be up early :) We used these exact same shells over and over every year.

    • @CHMichael
      @CHMichael 2 роки тому +2

      That actually makes sense - go recycling

    • @dwi2921
      @dwi2921 Рік тому +8

      @@CHMichael
      It wasn't about frugalness or recycling. Live ammunition could be purchased in the USSR. All of the components were provided by the state, but you had to do it yourself. I imagine reloading was still a major activity during the early days of the Russian Federation as well.
      Fun (or not so fun) fact: Smoothbore shotguns were the only firearms that the average, peasant, proletariat or member of the intelligentsia could legally obtain. You had a choice of single barrel, double barrel (sxs and o/u), bolt or semi-auto shotguns. Unsurprisingly, like most of Europe, o/u was the most popular among Soviet hunters. Namely the IZh-27 and TOZ-34, though others existed.

    • @satagaming9144
      @satagaming9144 Рік тому +6

      @@dwi2921 "Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered. Any attempt to disarm the workers should be disrupted, by force if necessary"
      -Karl Marx. Whoops! NKVD thought otherwise, apparently.

    • @dwi2921
      @dwi2921 Рік тому +3

      @@satagaming9144
      Yeah but here is the thing about Marx. He's irrelevant. His works were pretty much all pure nonsense, he was a lawyer, a part of Imperal Germany's intelligentsia. Regular working class people (not to say that intellectual labor is not important) could never have risen to that level. He was literally out of touch with the majority of the working class. It shows in his works. Labor Theory of Value being a prime example.
      So much so that almost no political party in history follows the concepts of Classical Marxism. They still to this day go about rehashing and revising. Marx's works are ultimately an unworkable dead end. It's not surprising that support for arming the working class (both before and maintaining the policy after revolution) evaporated. It's inconvenient for party leadership.
      I say this as a leftist gun owner. Never trust someone claiming to be a Marxist.

    • @satagaming9144
      @satagaming9144 Рік тому +3

      @@dwi2921 I'd say that classical Marxism served a purpose, as a distinct entity it was something of a dead end in and of itself, though his writings did serve to popularize certain aspects of Leftist thought (Utopian Socialists before him just weren't getting it done, I'm sorry), and ultimately forming something of the founding basis, even if just as a starting point, for Leninism, definitely a historical impact there. That's the other thing. Sure, classical Marxism is a purely impracticable ideal, but the historical impact is definitely there.
      Marxism isn't irrelevant. It changed history, and its uselessness actually helped it do so. In trying to create a "Marxist" society, you wound up creating something much worse for all involved, but there's no arguing the USSR wasn't historically significant.
      The issue with classical Marxism is that it is only useful as a means to an end. To Marx, in his delusion, this end was a classless egalitarian society, to everyone else, it was to power and repressive dictatorship. Lenin saw that a revolution needed a leader, Stalin saw that power was pretty fun. However, popularizing the idea of a more egalitarian society, growing the socialist tree, definitely had an impact, even if the philosophy is, on its face, kinda dumb. I mean, to me, no matter how useless something is, if it changes history, if people believe it, it's important.
      Ironically, a philosophy of purely academic interest is a very Bourgeois thing to come up with.
      I actually included that Marx quote to allude to the point you wound up making, and point out the irony that the USSR, PRC, and other countries which claim a Marxist lineage don't really follow any classical Marxist thought, because it's unfollowable. It quickly became about authoritarianism and control, not a legitimate attempt to construct a new type of society.

  • @juliusmironoff9133
    @juliusmironoff9133 2 роки тому +9

    The beauty of these cartridges is that they can be equipped over and over again. All you need is primers, gunpowder, shot, buckshot or a bullet to choose from. Wads can be made out of paper, and at the end everything can be filled with paraffin from a candle.

  • @FiveStringCommando
    @FiveStringCommando 3 роки тому +248

    You’re going to reload these, right?
    The Ammo Channel did a tutorial on reloading Berdan primers.
    Dat Kermit, doh

    • @knickly
      @knickly 3 роки тому +17

      I really wonder how these do in a 12ga From Hell

    • @macoppy6571
      @macoppy6571 3 роки тому +25

      Steel cases that don't get crimped, these could be reloaded _infinite_ number of times?

    • @Bruciando
      @Bruciando 3 роки тому +12

      @@macoppy6571 Not infinite, and not many unless you can find a source for Berdan primers. Even under best conditions, eventually the primer pockets will get loose after ??? number of firings. But that # will still be WAY more than a brass case! Long before then the copper wash will have worn off and rust will become the major issue...

    • @taofledermaus
      @taofledermaus  3 роки тому +23

      What happened to AC? Hasn't posted in years.

    • @markcantemail8018
      @markcantemail8018 3 роки тому +3

      @@taofledermaus I do Not Know Jeff . I replied just to make you Happy . Thank you for the test , nice to see the results .

  • @IWatchedWhat
    @IWatchedWhat 3 роки тому +98

    The Kermit was a nice touch. Hope Danny is doing well, let him know he is in our prayers.

    • @larss337
      @larss337 3 роки тому +4

      🥺 what's up with Danny?

    • @peterjohnson9438
      @peterjohnson9438 3 роки тому +1

      Cancer. The only way to take out old Eagle Eye.

    • @larss337
      @larss337 3 роки тому +1

      @@peterjohnson9438 So sorry to hear that.

  • @billystink4611
    @billystink4611 3 роки тому +214

    You can also stick a magnet to a lot of modern Federal and Winchester 12 ga. “brass”. It even rusts in the rain these days, they just don’t make brass like they used to.

    • @GertTown
      @GertTown 3 роки тому +27

      They were rusting in the mid 90s. Duck hunting in louisiana exposes rust prone equipment.

    • @brettscott3759
      @brettscott3759 3 роки тому +5

      That comment was my dessert for the night... hell I bet that brass is better than the steel cases we have now 😆

    • @markwilliams5958
      @markwilliams5958 3 роки тому +19

      Most modern shotshells have a brass plated steel base. It's cheaper to use than brass. I'd say it's better for modern firearms that have extractors like pumps and semis especially with the higher power loads we have these days.
      Also it doesn't get brittle and fracture with age like brass does so shelf life is improved

    • @brettscott3759
      @brettscott3759 3 роки тому +7

      @@Everythingallthetime666 you had such great potential with the comment.... next time go a little harder like you mean it and finish strong with something like WOLVERINES.... I know dude the best thing about all of this.... the numbers are a straight lie dosnt matter what it's about.... because every thing they say is also a lie.... your not alone there are millions of us and they are terrified. all we're doing is making fun of them... they can't even say my body my choice anymore...

    • @Fausto_4841
      @Fausto_4841 3 роки тому +3

      @@brettscott3759 lmao

  • @BattleshipSailorBB63
    @BattleshipSailorBB63 3 роки тому +48

    Oh wow! An Iowa-class reference! *points at my Username* Ex Missouri sailor here.
    I got to witness the guns firing from above decks only once in the 2 1/2 years I lived on the ship, and it was just for a gunnery training exercise. The observation area was 5 decks (stories) up, and exactly in the middle of the ship.
    NOTHING in this world can prepare you for that concussion and muzzle flash! The concussion threatened to knock the Mickey Mouse Ears (over-ear hearing protection) right off my head, and the muzzle flash felt like instant sunburn. Double hearing protection was required at the viewing, foam in-ear plugs plus the over-ear muffs.
    660 POUNDS of powder per shell! Let that sink in heh.
    I'll love that Old Girl until the day I die, an incredible ship made by true Craftsmen showing their art.

    • @rob6850
      @rob6850 3 роки тому

      Shit, that sounds pretty mind-boggling.

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 3 роки тому +1

      That's really cool, you are literally a piece of history 👍

    • @1978garfield
      @1978garfield 3 роки тому

      Cool story!
      I grew up near the Missouri Lead belt.
      I have heard there is a giant silver Seal of the State of Missouri on that ship.
      The silver came from the lead mines in the lead belt.
      That is if you can believe Paul Harvey and I think you can.
      ua-cam.com/video/6HhdkkdsvTM/v-deo.html
      Lead is one of those things not made in the US anymore.
      .

    • @joshuabrown4030
      @joshuabrown4030 2 роки тому

      I remember reading somewhere that the Nelson-class battleships had to restrict their firing arcs because the pressure from the muzzeblasts would break windows on the bridge and give bridge crew vision red-outs from the pressure against their eyes. And those 16" guns weren't nearly as hot as the 16"/50 we were using on the Iowa class!

  • @PineTreePal
    @PineTreePal 3 роки тому +391

    Man’s Kermit impression is on point

  • @tony66au
    @tony66au 3 роки тому +68

    Just caught the end of the live stream and im still chuckling at Berm-It the Frog at the trigger.
    I'll watch the full thing when its posted!
    Thanks guys

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 3 роки тому +4

      Live stream???

    • @tony66au
      @tony66au 3 роки тому

      @@scrappydoo7887 Yeah, it was a live stream.

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 3 роки тому

      @@tony66au lol thanks captain obvious 😂 was it on this channel on UA-cam or some other platform? I didn't get notified and can't find it

  • @cjansenATL
    @cjansenATL 3 роки тому +41

    The Battleship New Jersey Museum channel is amazing. Kudos to the curator for going the extra mile.

  • @michellewilt4479
    @michellewilt4479 3 роки тому +23

    Thanks for making me me feel old Jeff. I remember 1992. So I guess maybe I'm vintage.

    • @SuperUncleRyan
      @SuperUncleRyan 3 роки тому +2

      It's the year I graduated, seriously feels like last week.

    • @Sableagle
      @Sableagle 3 роки тому

      I remember someone I knew crying in 1992.
      He'd just got 9 As and 1 B in his GCSE exams, and wasn't at all happy about not getting straight As.

    • @Sableagle
      @Sableagle 3 роки тому

      (It wasn't me. I didn't get 9 As and Bs combined.)

    • @taofledermaus
      @taofledermaus  3 роки тому

      At least you aren't antique yet

    • @Sableagle
      @Sableagle 3 роки тому

      @@taofledermaus Just a classic, so far.

  • @FiveStringCommando
    @FiveStringCommando 3 роки тому +136

    “Made in Russia” was a good indication of post 1991 manufacture.
    Haven’t gotten to the Kermit yet. Can’t wait

    • @krald8421
      @krald8421 3 роки тому +12

      Yep, and anything made in the soviet days would have had the price printed on it at the factory

    • @markotark
      @markotark 3 роки тому +20

      Either before 1917 or after 1991...

    • @waitemc
      @waitemc 3 роки тому +1

      @@markotark wrecker

    • @900stx7
      @900stx7 3 роки тому +2

      I still have a box of Russian Golden Bear .410 ammo. It's a brass plated steel cased ammo.
      It's not that old.

    • @overlyobsolete2797
      @overlyobsolete2797 3 роки тому +5

      @@markotark before 1922. Soviet union didn't exist in 1917.

  • @NoTimeForThatNow
    @NoTimeForThatNow 3 роки тому +36

    No such thing as failure, every day is a good day at the range with Jeff & Co!

  • @heyukr5298
    @heyukr5298 3 роки тому +78

    Liked the Kermit the frog impersonation. Hopefully he has other voice impressions in his catalog and he can give officer Gregg a run for his comedy money.

    • @killroy87
      @killroy87 3 роки тому +3

      Miss piggy cheated so it's bacon for breakfast

    • @bashkillszombies
      @bashkillszombies 3 роки тому +3

      He was doing his Jordan Peterson impersonation.

    • @mikesmetalworks8712
      @mikesmetalworks8712 3 роки тому +1

      Give me a bit to warm up to the camera and you might see a few more 🤣

    • @mikesmetalworks8712
      @mikesmetalworks8712 3 роки тому

      @@bashkillszombies I'm going to have to work on that

    • @mikesmetalworks8712
      @mikesmetalworks8712 3 роки тому

      @@davidbuchanan1461 wait till you see the products I make that will be coming available!

  • @joshuagibson2520
    @joshuagibson2520 3 роки тому +13

    Thank you Thor. I'd have never got to see this otherwise.

    • @ullr_group
      @ullr_group 3 роки тому +4

      You're welcome. But Jeff did all the work.

  • @shawnpgorman
    @shawnpgorman 3 роки тому +23

    Maybe you could reload them with fresh primers and powder, roughly equivalent to how they would have been loaded back in the day, just to see how they should fire?

    • @SuperUncleRyan
      @SuperUncleRyan 3 роки тому +1

      Berdan primer shells can't be reloaded...well not normally anyway.

    • @JosephArata
      @JosephArata 3 роки тому +2

      @@SuperUncleRyan Steel case means anything is game. Can get rid of the the old primers and insert new ones with some modifications.

    • @andyanderson9165
      @andyanderson9165 3 роки тому +2

      Berdan primed cases are reloaded quite often. Just a couple of additional steps.

    • @PavelSharnin
      @PavelSharnin Рік тому +2

      Ответстие можно разсверлить под современный капсюль, а так капсюль тонким сверлом выбивают, прибор барклай используют у нас. Латунные гильзы уже как дань истории, но многие охотники до сих пор их используют, так как патрон можно собрать на коленке, вместо пыжей используют кору берез и опилки

  • @ericblevins6467
    @ericblevins6467 3 роки тому +1

    In 1982 we had a once-in-a-lifetime flood here in the Ozarks that totally submerged downtown, and the next week a buddy and I found CASES of ammo of all sorts discarded at our county dump. Talk about mixed results shooting it! Some worked fine, some were completely dead, some made a 'put' noise and the rounds bounced into the grass twenty feet in front of the muzzle, and some of them popped but the charge never cleared the muzzle, leaving us to ramrod them clear. Your test of that old Russki ammo reminded me very much of that long-past, frustrating, and bitter-sweet experience.

  • @user-ec9ml7gh9l
    @user-ec9ml7gh9l 3 роки тому +33

    0:29
    Approximate translation
    Cartridges for hunting
    Fraction number #0000 ( = Buckshot #T)
    Weight of gunpowder "Sokol" (=name of the bird falcon) = 2,2 grams
    Lead weight = 35 grams
    Type of primer "Tsentero-boi" (strike on center)
    Average maximum pressure 65 KPa

    • @KirkHermary
      @KirkHermary 3 роки тому

      I'm not a rocket scientist but I have a feeling there would be more than atmospheric pressure in a shotgun shell firing. 100kpa/14.7psi is average air pressure at sea level at ambient temperature.

    • @Phoenix88.
      @Phoenix88. 3 роки тому +5

      @@KirkHermary Yes it's 65MPa or 663 kg/cm2 (9,400 PSI)

    • @KirkHermary
      @KirkHermary 3 роки тому

      @@Phoenix88. nice, thanks for the clarification. I'm guessing the OP meant mpa but kpa was just a typo 🤔

    • @taofledermaus
      @taofledermaus  3 роки тому +2

      thank you!

  • @bobthompson4319
    @bobthompson4319 3 роки тому +1

    you HAVE TO HEAR WHAT A FIRED ONE SOUNDS LIKE WHEN PUMPED FROM A PUMP ITS AMAZING. THE RING AS IT FLYS THROUGH THE AIR OMG

    • @markwilliams5958
      @markwilliams5958 3 роки тому

      My 458winmag has a nice ring too.. sounds like artillery shells.
      I'm guessing the steel cases sound similar?

  • @JasonW.
    @JasonW. 3 роки тому +18

    Copper washed steel casings should be fun in warm weather

    • @User-dc6sm
      @User-dc6sm 3 роки тому

      why not?
      or are you afraid you're going to burn your hand

    • @JasonW.
      @JasonW. 3 роки тому

      @@User-dc6sm the copper wash might leave bits in the breach

    • @User-dc6sm
      @User-dc6sm 3 роки тому +2

      @@JasonW. The shotgun will be fine, its a shotgun

  • @toothless01
    @toothless01 3 роки тому +2

    Love the sound of a empty shell hitting the ground. 👍👍🇺🇸

  • @danwolf307
    @danwolf307 3 роки тому +15

    Another excellent video Jeff, really appreciate the time and effort you take to make quality entertaining content. Keep em coming!

  • @saskafrass1985
    @saskafrass1985 3 роки тому +1

    Just one note on hangfire, I was loading some.38 rimfire over last Christmas. Took some hundred year old ammo and pulled the bullets and powder. Tried a couple brass as just primers for curiosity. One shell I waited 30 seconds and extracted it like normal then the shell in my hand sparked inside as I looked at it. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it. I am glad a heck I pulled the bullet and primer 1st.

  • @therealog9430
    @therealog9430 3 роки тому +75

    So we meet again. Hey Jeff, do you want a dozen large business printer powder cartridges to shoot? Might be cool to see the colors explode.

    • @SavageAirguns
      @SavageAirguns 3 роки тому +10

      Just don't breathe it in

    • @samaelsandalphon5600
      @samaelsandalphon5600 3 роки тому +15

      Put some canvas up on the sides like demo and call it art.

    • @therealog9430
      @therealog9430 3 роки тому +6

      @@samaelsandalphon5600 great point.

    • @life_with_bernie
      @life_with_bernie 3 роки тому +1

      Toner spills are considered a hazmat spill and require cleanup, particularly in California.

    • @therealog9430
      @therealog9430 3 роки тому

      @@life_with_bernie well that sucks. Anyone want to buy some unopened ink toner for large HP office printers?

  • @jef____4054
    @jef____4054 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the screenshot of BB class'. 1992 was a good year for me! 🍻

  • @mojavepatrol4767
    @mojavepatrol4767 3 роки тому +13

    a friend of mine bought a whole brick of the steel case .22 made in Russia and had a 90% dud rate in the first two boxes. I asked him if he would sell them to me to put in my collection and he said "if your gun can set them off you can have them" I loaded them up in my 9 shot H&R 922 from around 1920 and every one went off then I picked up the duds and fired about 70 out of 90.....free .22s

  • @72polara
    @72polara 3 роки тому +1

    Nice to mention the USS New Jersey channel. Ryan and Libby do a great job.

  • @vincedibona4687
    @vincedibona4687 3 роки тому +6

    I can’t wait to see the reloads Jeff makes using these shells.

  • @kevinoliver3083
    @kevinoliver3083 10 місяців тому

    "Use in modern firearms in good condition"
    Words to live, and see through both eyes, by.

  • @FortuneCookie45LC
    @FortuneCookie45LC 3 роки тому +6

    Jeff and Mike - Interesting video - the old Russian steel cased surplus ammo from the 70s and even earlier were packed in those oversized sardine cans - that stuff shoots very well. No doubt the lack of that sealing and packaging had something to do with the misfires and hangfires. I didn't notice any seal around the primers like on 7.62x54R and 7.62x39 ammo. But thanks to you, anyone having those old Russian shotshells can know what to expect. Probably best to keep those as collectible shells, ya think?? A great fall season to you, Steve

    • @taofledermaus
      @taofledermaus  3 роки тому +2

      A couple viewers who bought these back when they were fresh did mention they weren't that reliable even then.

  • @eric81872
    @eric81872 3 роки тому +1

    I was 20 years old when they where made ! ☺♥☺

  • @rhinehardt1
    @rhinehardt1 3 роки тому +8

    In the future, the episodes with Mike in them, should open with "Ma Na Ma Na" playing on the soundtrack.

  • @jamesleary1405
    @jamesleary1405 3 роки тому +1

    Man hearing Mike say vintage really makes me feel old 🤣 I was born in 81 and I'm 40 and vintage isn't a word I wanna hear yet for something from 92 lol.

    • @Urbicide
      @Urbicide 3 роки тому

      It's all down hill from there! ;-D

  • @bushmansa518
    @bushmansa518 3 роки тому +9

    Love how the shells look ... great content!

  • @Vares65
    @Vares65 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the help Mike. Come back soon!

  • @jonnykelly556
    @jonnykelly556 3 роки тому +21

    You might be able to have a machine shop or a good gunsmith rebore the hulls to accept modern 209 style primers. With a steel hull, those should be infinitely reloadable.

    • @semajniffirg230
      @semajniffirg230 3 роки тому +1

      no they'd eventually expand and fit too tight in the chanber and need to be resized.

    • @NoTimeForThatNow
      @NoTimeForThatNow 3 роки тому +1

      As long as you can procure or manufacture the plastic caps for the ends.

    • @bullzebub
      @bullzebub 3 роки тому +9

      @@NoTimeForThatNow 3d printer. or use either wax or a cork plug

    • @NoTimeForThatNow
      @NoTimeForThatNow 3 роки тому

      @@bullzebub the cork plug brought up visions of Elmer Fudd or something, lol. 3d Printed maybe, and wax could work. Neither would be optimal, since they will be time consuming to reload. The original cap would be so much more efficient to use.

    • @JosephArata
      @JosephArata 3 роки тому +5

      @@NoTimeForThatNow They make standard plastic caps for hydraulic bores for delivery of new parts. It wouldn't be difficult to just buy the correct size "off the shelf" as it were. All you'd have to do is glue them in with a water-tight glue.

  • @WvlfDarkfire
    @WvlfDarkfire 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for dropping them. I needed to hear that.

  • @gameragodzilla
    @gameragodzilla 3 роки тому +21

    That does make me wonder: Given plastic shotgun shells have been known to warp in magazines, would these solve that problem if they were newly manufactured with modern primers and powder?

    • @baronobeefdipyes5181
      @baronobeefdipyes5181 3 роки тому +1

      You can still sorta get them and try it for yourself if you want, they don't make steel but I've seen full length brass shells for sale

  • @tubingview3251
    @tubingview3251 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks, Mike.

  • @zackzittel7683
    @zackzittel7683 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks thor for sharing with them so they can share with us. I’ve never seen such shells. I’ve never seen T shot in lead. It sure patterned terribly.

    • @ullr_group
      @ullr_group 3 роки тому +1

      You're welcome. Wasn't much else I could do with them besides play the "bet you've never seen these before"

    • @zackzittel7683
      @zackzittel7683 3 роки тому +1

      @@ullr_group that’s my favorite game

  • @RCDisiac
    @RCDisiac 3 роки тому +1

    I was born in 87' so to hear him say vintage shell on something made in 92 is eye opening

    • @jamesleary1405
      @jamesleary1405 3 роки тому

      I wrote a similar comment and just seen you're comment man it really does open you're eye's. I'm born in 81 and hearing stuff from the 90's considered vintage makes me feel old.

  • @ScotlandsGold
    @ScotlandsGold 3 роки тому +3

    5:48 nice Kermit Mike👍

  • @KevinSmith-gh5ze
    @KevinSmith-gh5ze 3 роки тому +3

    I can't wait to see what you reload these with

  • @moxofien
    @moxofien 3 роки тому +1

    Here to go easy on Matt, thanks for pulling the trigger bro

  • @mrhalfstep
    @mrhalfstep 3 роки тому +5

    According to Lars @ YT channel Survival Russia (I think you follow him), these steel casings are the common thing that the "Old Timers" reload over there, so I hope you saved the empties to do some comparison videos in the future. The farmer class people over there ain't got no fancy crimpin' tools to use, so a steel can with a plug in the end to hold it all together is what they went with. The different results with Russian slugs in roll crimped plastic casings VS traditionally reloaded Russian steel casings would be really interesting, to me, anyway. I think that single or double barreled shotties were usually used, again, according to Lars. Maybe some of your Russian fans can hook you up with the wads, spacers and end seals that you would require. I'm not sure what type of primers he used when he reloaded in his video. Another good one guys, great work!

    • @mckenziekeith7434
      @mckenziekeith7434 3 роки тому

      For some reason I thought you couldn't reload steel case ammo. Because it can't be resized. Maybe that doesn't apply to shotgun shells though?

    • @mrhalfstep
      @mrhalfstep 3 роки тому +2

      @@mckenziekeith7434 I only know what I learned from Survival Russia channel, but to me it makes sense, because shotgun powders are slower burning and lower pressure than pistol powders and the powder really makes up a smaller amount of the volume of the shotgun cartridge. Most of the case is filled with wads and shot cups and the actual shot or slug. Just the bottom bit has powder in it. Many centerfire cartridges are fire formed to the chamber dimensions and only the neck needs resizing each time they are reloaded to hold the bullet in place. Shot shells don't have a press fit of the projectile holding it all together, instead a crimp is used, on a plastic shell or, in the case of steel, that plastic cup stuck in the end. I think it should work, but I've never done it myself.

    • @mckenziekeith7434
      @mckenziekeith7434 3 роки тому

      @@mrhalfstep that all sounds pretty convincing to me (I don't have much hands on experience in this area either).

  • @maxwolf1982
    @maxwolf1982 2 роки тому +1

    Cartridges in metal casings were used in the USSR for shooting from double-barreled shotguns and each hunter equipped them himself.

  • @nadieselgirl
    @nadieselgirl 3 роки тому +3

    I’d love to see what’s inside those failed shells. Powder, wad, etc the walls looked really thicc!

  • @freddymarcel-marcum6831
    @freddymarcel-marcum6831 3 роки тому +2

    I lived in the Czech Republic for ten years and my cleaning lady was Russian, great woman, I still send her cash today, she deserved it, but her teeth were all steel. Unnerving, but that's Eastern Europe for ya👍🇺🇸❤️🇨🇿

  • @chrisjohnson38
    @chrisjohnson38 3 роки тому +3

    Mike's cool, bring him back, I think him and Greg together would be a laugh.

  • @ForgottenHillbilly
    @ForgottenHillbilly 3 роки тому +1

    I have been recently hunting with some American made boxer primed paper shotgun shells from the 40s. They all still kick like a mule are loud and seem to be getting the job done well. That is about 75 rounds worth so far. I do have one box in another gauge that all seem bad. I tried 3 out of the box of 25 and none went off. I don't know if it's just bad primers or if the powder would also be bad but i really think it's all in how you store it. I have became a firm believer in good ammo cans with silica packs in them. Good video as always and welcome new guy!

  • @wayne-oo
    @wayne-oo 3 роки тому +3

    Those empty shells would have made an excellent wind chimes !!

  • @leholen381
    @leholen381 3 роки тому

    I was born in ‘92. That fact that I’m almost 30 keeps slapping me in the face. I know I’m not old but damn do I feel like it watching kids sometimes.

  • @brown2889
    @brown2889 3 роки тому +20

    This was very interesting and it would be cool to see more import ammo too.

  • @crakkbone
    @crakkbone 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you Thor

    • @ullr_group
      @ullr_group 3 роки тому

      You're welcome but Jeff did all the hard work

  • @SurvivalRussia
    @SurvivalRussia 3 роки тому +47

    Berdan primers just suck. I have some actual brass shells from the 70's which of course takes Berdan primers and I have only slightly better luck with new primers...

    • @taofledermaus
      @taofledermaus  3 роки тому +13

      Yeah, I took a small drill and made a hole to pry them out. I'll drill out the hulls to fit boxer primers in them and see how they work with new powder, etc. Just a lot more fuss dealing with these and the all brass hulls because they have different, larger ID's and gas seals have a really sloppy fit.

  • @themadscientest
    @themadscientest 2 роки тому

    Nice chart with the correct sizing of BB shot and air gun "bb's".

  • @psychoholicslag4801
    @psychoholicslag4801 3 роки тому +7

    Just wish Mike would have added a Hi-Ho to his Kermit voice.

  • @Mark13tol
    @Mark13tol 3 роки тому +1

    That's like the results I get from some surplus 7.62x54r Russian ammo. The thing about my ammo though is I can just half cycle the bolt and then they all have fired. I've never had a misfire or hang fire from them.
    I have been watching Battleship New Jersey videos for a long time. Ryan is a good host, he's very knowledgeable.

  • @johnryder2878
    @johnryder2878 3 роки тому +4

    Mike was great! I'd much rather see you work with him than Greg. I also hope Danny is doing better and comes back someday! #dannyfan

  • @randyjones6916
    @randyjones6916 3 роки тому +2

    I've had.full brass 12 ga shells from Vietnam and Korean wars and they shoot perfect .
    In fact you use to be able to buy new shotgun full length brass for the reloader person.
    I personally love full brass loads. Especially if it's military buckshot !

    • @Urbicide
      @Urbicide 3 роки тому +1

      The military went to full length brass due to the jungle environment causing the traditional paper-hulled shells to swell.

  • @4555joe
    @4555joe 3 роки тому +3

    This looks like more than 50 years old. Russian cartridges are some of the best in the world up today!!!

  • @mikebeatstsb7030
    @mikebeatstsb7030 3 роки тому +1

    That's an awesome kermit impression ✅

  • @Vitusec
    @Vitusec 3 роки тому +5

    👋👋👋 Эти патроны очень старые и не рассчитаны на такой лёгкий удар бойка для пробивания капсюля.

    • @ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г
      @ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г 3 роки тому

      Почему ты так решил, все пробивает, надо только капсюля смотреть хорошо, да и их перезаряжать каждый год, или под жавелло переделывать, да и заводские есть.

    • @timofeymaliev
      @timofeymaliev 3 роки тому

      Центробой не лучший капсюль, да ещё и на сокол. Я подкладывал пару зёрен дымаря для лучшего воспламенения сокола. Е ещё центробой быстро портится и очень капризен при посадке в гнездо, а здесь 7 лет и без лака на капсюле. Словом 1992 год, развал и бардак.

    • @ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г
      @ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г 3 роки тому

      Тимофей Малиев у меня металлические под жавелло заводские.

    • @timofeymaliev
      @timofeymaliev 3 роки тому

      @@ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г Так переделанные. Я не хочу этого делать.Пусть будет оригинал. Тем более разработал зяряд на дымаре, люди не верили что такое возможно.

    • @ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г
      @ВладимирМихайлович-ш2г 3 роки тому

      Тимофей Малиев всё-таки лучше переделать на жавелло, евро капсюль, надёжней, тем более не сложно, дымный порох это уже прошлое и не удобно да и для ствола вредно.

  • @defuller1
    @defuller1 3 роки тому

    Welcome to the channel, Mike! Thanks for helping out. Hope to see you again.

    • @defuller1
      @defuller1 3 роки тому

      Haven't seen Brianna recently. Is she still around?

  • @rogercanevari6920
    @rogercanevari6920 3 роки тому +17

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    • @ronniewhite5530
      @ronniewhite5530 3 роки тому

      That's right but talking about WORTH!!. I worth 200 dollars, isn't that funny?

    • @zoeyemma7064
      @zoeyemma7064 3 роки тому

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    • @peneloperiley6357
      @peneloperiley6357 3 роки тому

      Do you guys still think 🤔 crypto is the future?!! With the recent fall of BTC..

    • @charlotteeleanor9185
      @charlotteeleanor9185 3 роки тому

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    • @roseprosper7475
      @roseprosper7475 3 роки тому

      I'm an educated lady, but still don't know how to go about crypto trading. Do i need a special class to learn how to trade?.

  • @jad43701
    @jad43701 3 роки тому

    I was going to date those rounds at the late 40's to early 50's myself !

  • @johnjames3491
    @johnjames3491 3 роки тому +29

    Investing in crypto now should be in every wise individuals list, in some months time you'll be ecstatic with the decision you made today.

  • @joeyc818
    @joeyc818 3 роки тому

    Im really surprized any of them went off those shells are super cool

  • @maximummarklee
    @maximummarklee 3 роки тому +1

    Hey Mike I’m sorry that you had such bad luck with these; it’s too bad you didn’t have an alternative for something as a back-up - hey - maybe you guys would consider that - you know, like an emergency supply in your first-aid kit. But anyway, Mike you’re a good sport for this and I hope you come back soon with some good ammo take care be safe.

  • @genelappe
    @genelappe 3 роки тому +1

    Welcome Mike!

  • @ShadeclawFennec
    @ShadeclawFennec 3 роки тому

    I feel like it's a little unusual for firearms youtubers to actually wait and see if a cartridge will go off, most of them seem to just eject it and try the next one. Good on you guys for actually playing it safe

  • @jeffryrichardson9105
    @jeffryrichardson9105 2 роки тому

    Thank you for your help Mike! Great job!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸

  • @browndogstt8546
    @browndogstt8546 3 роки тому

    I have some of these that I bought back in the 90s. They shot fine for me about 25 years ago when in bought them. Never tried in and auto loader. They worked fine in a single shot. Maybe in another 30 years I will try a few and see if they go off then. Thanks for the cool video!

  • @skelelator
    @skelelator 3 роки тому

    Nice addition to the crew

  • @Lilljehook
    @Lilljehook 3 роки тому

    Yes we love the New Jersey guy to.

  • @corwinhyatt519
    @corwinhyatt519 3 роки тому

    The ringing of the casings hitting the ground reminds me of the x54R surplus I used to shoot out of my Mosin. Good memories.

  • @georgepoulos3527
    @georgepoulos3527 3 роки тому +1

    The 577/450 kynoch ammo I have always fires but has a hell of a hang fire. Surprisingly they are still pretty accurate.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks very much~~~~~~Jeff & Mike....Russian fizzle shotgun shells...Who knew....!!

  • @patrickkinney4998
    @patrickkinney4998 4 місяці тому

    Bigger lead shot used to be fairly common back in the day. I still load lead BB, BBB, F-buck and T-shot in 2 3/4 shells. You can tell the difference when you toast a big racoon with #4 lead bird shot and lead BBB.

  • @christopherbishop4927
    @christopherbishop4927 3 роки тому +1

    Nyet Primer hit harder must
    Good job Mike

  • @PsychoticBovine
    @PsychoticBovine 3 роки тому +1

    Fascinating. I wouldn't get these anywhere near my Browning A5! Steel case is only for my Makarov and Sks!

  • @PsychoticBovine
    @PsychoticBovine 3 роки тому +1

    Kermit voice is awesome. You have the best, most funnest, shooters.

  • @Ofindj
    @Ofindj 3 роки тому

    I actually have some of these (2 or 3) its so nice to find more information about them

  • @hoplite101able
    @hoplite101able 3 роки тому +1

    Doing the OG's finger wiggle with the Kermit impression would be something 🤣😅

    • @Sableagle
      @Sableagle 3 роки тому

      It would be the most sensational, inspirational, ...

  • @stephenschoeff
    @stephenschoeff 3 роки тому +1

    Mike and Danny should be the permanent shooters. That was a great video 👍

  • @alanmcnew5376
    @alanmcnew5376 3 роки тому +1

    Oh man! I remember the old Russian metal cased 12 gauge ammo they used to sell.

  • @quicksilver40
    @quicksilver40 3 роки тому +1

    It's crazy when I put it into perspective that 2005 was 30 years after the Vietnam war. And now ammo from 1992 is almost 30 years from when I was in. Like you said where does the time go? That ammo is pretty unique like a lot of things we get from Russia I guess. Thank you for another unique video.

  • @loosemeatsamich3689
    @loosemeatsamich3689 3 роки тому +1

    I just watched a video from battleship New Jersey’s channel before this. Good stuff as usual.

  • @Mikishots
    @Mikishots 3 роки тому

    Hell of a flinch you got there. Shotgun damn near got tossed off the table. Gently, son.

  • @eliobonalde
    @eliobonalde 3 роки тому +1

    Kermit making space for Denise! 🤣

  • @ronaldcoleman1323
    @ronaldcoleman1323 3 роки тому +1

    Those hulls would be great for reloading.

  • @GrigglesTheTexan
    @GrigglesTheTexan 3 роки тому +1

    Whats funny is that Berdan Primers were developed in the US while boxer primers were developed in Europe. And now we've flipped on each other primers.

  • @paul-davidalmond716
    @paul-davidalmond716 3 роки тому +1

    Those shells be great guitar slides.

  • @dabstar9923
    @dabstar9923 3 роки тому +1

    The T is used by goose hunters mostly. I use BBB steel for goose but T is pretty much buckshot

  • @Mamiya645
    @Mamiya645 3 роки тому +1

    Love the MikeB nod at 7:05

  • @imakilla4399
    @imakilla4399 3 роки тому +1

    I have 3 boxes of these shells and I've never been ballsy enough to fire one

  • @pileggitech
    @pileggitech 3 роки тому +1

    I think Mike did a great job and fit right in.

  • @flymachine
    @flymachine 3 роки тому

    Good to have you back

  • @merlinmagnus873
    @merlinmagnus873 3 роки тому

    Kermit offing Miss Piggy in a fountain of blood was simply the best!