Mick Taylor Goes Digital? | Dipped in Tone Podcast
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- Mick Taylor, cohost of That Pedal Show, joins Zach on this episode, where they cover a whole lot of ground talking pedals, mental health, and more. The two discuss what it's like to have Mick's level of influence on the industry and how to overcome various forms of stage fright, before dipping a rig where some "shots" are fired.
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I've given Dan and Mick cumulative days of my life. So, so much appreciation for those two guys.
I have to say that as a guitarist that battles depression and imposter syndrome, hearing that even someone like Mick fights those battles is a comfort. Thanks for sharing sir, we appreciate you!
I think it’s helpful to stop comparing yourself to other players (really much more difficult to do than to say!) and compare yourself to a You further down the road. I decided a while back that I’m working towards getting there and cutting heads with THAT guy, rather than SRV or Hendrix or whomever.
Best episode yet! Man do I respect Mick’s highly reflective views and deep honesty. It is sooo important to normalize talking about hard things like that. Thanks for being a front runner on those topics.
Zach is a great interviewer - really good questions, stays out of the way, interjects with relevant personal experience. A natural. And Mick is the best of course.
What a great episode, Mick is such a good guest with being so articulate and genuine in what he says.
"Some things worth doing are worth doing poorly." I learned that from my stepfather, who started playing guitar at 60 and played till he died at in his early 90s. I'd messed around for years, but decided in my late 60s it was one of the few things I considered worth doing with my remaining time. Ignoring perfectionism, or rather becoming a recovering perfectionist, is life changing. It's worth trying to start recovering early.
Love it! Thanks for sharing the story.
A funny thing while totally understanding Mick and Dan’s preference for real amps and not using digital solutions and how I am completely digital solution now not owning a real amp. The amount I get compliments I get with the most frequent being “I’ve never heard a modeler sound that good” is actually directly contributed to so much knowledge I learned from the two of them. Just the fundamental understanding of the actual real life gear both using it in the past and all the stuff I learned from them has allowed me to get the most out of it.
Been riding with them since almost day one and they are just a joy to “spend time” with every week. Just like Dipped And Tone has been as well.
I love my (digital) Deluxe Reverb ToneMaster. As a bedroom player I love the romantic idea of a tube amp but the reality is the DRTM is perfect for my needs and sounds glorious to my ears!
I’ve been watching tps for years now. So grateful!
Thanks for the really thoughtful response to my question Mick
Hey, Zach. I imagine many loyal TPS viewers have followed Mick over. Great conversation. A couple of things spring to mind when thinking of those guys. One is integrity. That's the North Star and going back over all their episodes, it's never been compromised. The second is even more subtle but is there when you look for it. They're selfless, to the extent any human can be. Their priority isn't to self promote. It isn't about them. Humility goes hand in hand with helping others. They've had an immense influence on the joy I take in playing. (And, I'm happy to say, I get to enjoy my Mjolnir because of your appearance with them and the confidence in knowing it was worth a try.) Cheers, guys. -G
Mick, we can only thank you for your ongoing, unflinching honesty.
I agree with Mick. My son started his early Rock days with a Tube amp, then he started Recording and went Digital for recording and Live. He's had all the Digital Processors out there and he recently in the last two weeks, went back to a Tube Amp and says he will never go back!
Awesome pod...love Mick and Dan ,been watching them for years now and love everything they do, such genuine dudes and it comes across with everything they put out
I am such a fan of Mick. He's really thought this stuff through and offers genuine wisdom.
Glad I am not the only one still watching Ghostbusters an absurd amount of times haha
That "what can I plug my guitar into" episode of TPS was among my top 3 all time TPS best episodes. SO GOOD. Mick and Dan you guys are awesome.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but possibly the best episode of this podcast ever
OH MY GOD! ! ! Thank you so much for making me realize things that are going on in my psyche. I have the same issues and same feelings.
That in itself is the most powerful first step and realisation that I had. You are not your thoughts, or the content of your thoughts. You are the observer of those thoughts. Once you really grasp that, everything becomes much more clear. Best to you!
Enjoyed the podcast! To Mick’s comments about feelings about not being good enough I just add that it took me till I was nearly 60 to realize that there are always people better at whatever we do and a whole lot that are worse than us, being it playing an instrument or our jobs. In the last five years I have become so much more at peace realizing that as long as I have given it my best effort, then all that’s really important is whether I pleased myself…forget what others think! Just wish it hadn’t taken so long to figure that out!
I find having a Looper Pedal in my signal chain indispensable for capturing the "magic, and inspiration" when it hits. I press one button with my foot to start and stop recording into one of my 99 loop locations. No fumbling around with turning on other devices, launching programs, setting levels, etc. Everything is set to record whenever I turn on the power to my gear. 😎
Mick dropping some heavy stuff around 39 minutes mark - hit me hard. Great interview!
Thank you Raf. The more you live it man, the less heavy it gets. Putting all that stuff down is so liberating once you realise you can just do it. Best to you man!
Thank you Gentlemen for this respectful homage into the Kool-aid cult of tone… The purity in Micks stance on tone being perfected ages ago and how Zach has the admiration and deep respect for TPS and Joey Landreth changing his life is refreshing… PERFECT WAY TO START THE WEEK! Much love from Austin TX!!!
Thanks Mick for discussing "Demo" vs "review". That is something a lot of people need to think more about. I've seen many dismissive attitudes toward sponsored videos, calling them "shills" or complaining when they don't point out flaws -- well, they're showing it in the best light because they're not being paid to REVIEW it, they're being paid to show you the features and paint a picture of how to use the pedal (a DEMO in other words). As Mick says, that is super valuable when done well.
I really appreciate the conversation about mental health. As a younger guitar dude who looks up to you guys, it's comforting to know that everyone has their battles, you wear it well. All of the best and thank you
Mick, I wantedto say that the pull for me regarding TPS is that I can see that you and Dan are geniunely good friends. It's two good friends sitting in a room jamming. I don't really care what you guys are doing, I'm there for that.
Best episode, what a humble, genuine, inspiring bloke.
Guys, I DEEPLY appreciate the willingness to talk about mental health. It takes bravery. We all struggle with it. It’s really important for people to talk and share their feelings! Helps to have public figures use their platform to chat about it too.
The steam train / electric guitar crossover was the one I needed but never thought I’d get!
Best episode ever! Mick and Dan are simply the best of what the Internet has to offer.
I've literally watched/listened to 100s, potentially 1000s of hours of guitar related UA-cam content over the past 10+ years and this is honestly one of my favorites. Nice work gentleman!
Thanks so much Dan. I really appreciate Zach making this all possible.
I love the honesty in these interviews and I the discussion about the mental aspect of striving to be a better player as well being accepted as a player definitely resonated with me. Great show!
What an invaluable and comforting conversation to be privy to! Thanks for letting us in on it fellas.
The past two dipped in tone shows have been wonderful and inspiring!
Thank you so much, Mick, for sharing your story on working on/through depression. As a hobby player that has found things that should be bring me job occasional don't, I know exactly what you mean. We all need to talk more about how our mental health affects our lives (even if it's just a conversation you have with yourself).
Thanks Zach (and Mick) on another great episode where it feels like I'm listening to two old friends chat with me over coffee.
I'll do it for the journey rather than the destination is a great quote and way of thinking about guitar playing and life in general. Fantastic show.
Was great to hear Mick speaking on mental health issues through the lens of music, a really important discussion.
One of the things I love about this community is that I can be watching this great conversation between two great likeminded dudes, remembering that I made a long comment about the H90 on last night’s TPS VCQs, and popping back to see that Mick took the time to reply with his own observations. As he says to Zach, they do indeed get involved in the comments and we appreciate them all the more for it.
A real privilege to be privy to such an intelligent and natural conversation about guitar. Thanks, Zach and Mick.
Mick, how can you say no better tones have been made since the 90’s? Yall make great tones on TPS all the time. You didnt have the two rock and the vintage strat in the 90’s and brother, you make great tones on that
I’m grateful. There is something sacred about conversation-the exchange of ideas between knowledgeable friends-too little of this in the world.
Oh my god, the things I’ve been saying to myself and others and experiencing have been so hit on point in this episode. It is one of the best commentaries. Thank you Mick. You’re not the only one on the soapbox concerning current shows, IEMs, FOH sound, software tone, etc. You echo my sentiments, or perhaps I echo yours. Especially your comments about “the further Rock n’ Roll dies” in regard to the subject. I’ve been relaying the same plea to anyone within earshot and I am often either ignored or argued with. Or given blank stares, or looked at like I’m from Mars. And they’re all sheep blindly foraging on. I haven’t enjoyed the concerts I’ve attended lately while everyone around me is jumping up and down to the bass/drums/vocal heavy mix with anemic guitar. I play a lot of different gigs, and getting shoehorned into IEM situations is becoming more frequent, and the outcome has been my refusal to conform. I usually take the headphone output they give me and run it straight into a powered monitor. This hasn’t been the most well composed comment, but I just want to express my gratefulness that someone else gets it. Thanks also for the very human reflection on one’s own playing, or not!, ego, depression, pedal-burnout, etc. Very well said as always, thank you both for the candid conversation.
I do enjoy Rhett’s take on things and he is a highly skilled guitar player and aficionado of gear but he could not have done a better job with this interview. This was amazing Zach and Mick and thank you for this discussion about feeling inadequate as a guitar player, recognizing days where you don’t have it, and the determination to keep pressing onward in the face of depression. Mick’s honesty and openness here is really great and gives voice to all of us who experience these feelings and emotions from time to time regarding music and life. Outstanding interview and my respect level for both of you is off the charts! More please!
Not Gonna Lie - I read the headline and was expecting a _different_ Mick Taylor
I had the good fortune to interview him about 30 yrs ago - gentleman.
Peace - Deeve
Nice! I think he was in one of my magazines a few times too. In fact Robben Ford's manager contacted me once to ask if I'd like to go and jam. Right up until I explained I wasnt //that// MT. Hahahaha
You need Chris Buck as a guest/Host
Mick thanks for sharing about ego. I know what you mean. I have found what I really love I think is playing with others and the music surrounding me. It’s like riding a wave.
Guys, I’m a little over 40 minutes in, and I just want to thank you both for talking about all the things, you are getting into in this video.
I think I really needed to hear this conversation. Having just overcome crippling stage fright to accompany a friend at an open mic night, I realise that a lot of what I was worried about and competing with myself on perfection or perceived 'goodness' did not matter. What mattered was that I enjoyed myself, my pals who came to watch enjoyed themselves, and most of all that we created the thing that gives me the most joy and energy - music!
Mick -- whenever I hear you opening up about mental struggles / GAS / FOMO etc it has a deep resonance as I battle the same deamons. Each time it helps me refocus. Josh Scott has also been championing this, spend your time playing rather than listening to gear chat / worrying about what pedals to play etc which I really appreciate... JFDI ... yes! "I am not good enough" and "I want peole to like me" are at the root -- I have semi conciously realised this so to hear it reinforced by another human being gives it weight --- Thanks man 💙
Thank you Chris. THe reason it works with playing vs GAS, is that playing puts you squarely in the current moment, whereas GAS is all thought based stuff - future and past. Whatever you can do to stay in the present moment - it might be as simple as focussing intently on three or four breaths - will help that refocussing every time. Any negativity or suffering is always psychological time - thoughts about past and future. Focussing intently on this moment and what you are doing gets rid of all that. Once you start doing it, it becomes addictive. Good luck man!
@@ThatPedalShow cheers buddy 🐦
Thinks for this y'all. Learning in chunks is hugely helpful. Appreciate your candor.....keep shining!
Two of my most favorite UA-camrs together in one show is a real treat! Thanks to you both for making this possible.
Such a great interview ! Excellent, thank you !
Great discussion. As someone who has embraced "amp replacement tech"... I think Mick's comments starting @54:00 are fantastic. Especially his comments (58:50) on the impact on live performance for the player and the listener. Bravo Mick.
That Pedal Show and Rhetts show line up with when I got my current position, my first work from home gig 7 years ago. Thus Far this is the longest job I have ever had and I have been able to watch most of these vids while working (on the dreaded emails, code, and such).
Consistently getting the best guests
I appreciate Mick's perspective and philosophy on all this stuff. its refreshing
Love this conversation. So honest and so relatable for many of us I’m sure.
Excellent episode. Thank you!
One of my favorite episodes of Dipped in Tone. Thanks Zach and Mick for the deeper conversations on your experiences in the industry and respective mindsets. Very interesting and much appreciated!
I also lost interest and motivation to play guitar a while back, even though I still watched Pro Guitar Shop, Burgerman and Andertons just to keep up with what’s new. But then I stumbled upon TPS about 5 years ago and something just clicked, seeing Mick and Dan muck around but at the same time deliver useful tips got my tubes all warmed up, got me to try my gear in ways I never considered before. After that I found Vertex Effects, JHS (channel), Rhett and now Dipped in Tone, I just wanna try so many things even just for my own amusement. You guys are doing good work, Rock On! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Love this! REALLY great questions.
Wow… great episode!!! Thanks for this one!
Great interview. I’ve learned so much from Dipped in Tone and TPS.
That board at the end. Keep the expression pedal and the QC for one board, then the pedals for another board.
Reading for Mick: Retromania. I think he would really enjoy that book
This is by far my favorite episode- great job guys!
I love his take on 1997 & live music, today. Spot on!
The day youtube threw me a TPS video, back when they also did a TPS style show for the Guitarist magazine, was one of the best moments I've had. I had been playing for like 15 years already, but I knew nothing about that side (I just had had SD-1 boosting my Marshall style amp). Over the years it taught me to obsess over pedals and I GAS'd hard over little boxes and tried to figure out what's better or best. I got a lot of them. And I learned to tweak sounds. I got introduced to and found sounds that truly enamoured me, I who really struggles creating something immediately started playing something I had never heard anywhere and just enjoyed the moment of music. Today all the gear, the plethora of pedals and a big rack and amps all gather dust when I often play an electric guitar unplugged or an acoustic and practice or learn songs on the go when listening to something nice. I feel like the journey through obsessing over tone and gear was necessary to rekindle the spirit and learn to focus on the music itself but have all the tools to create it and find inspiring things. Like I occasionally listen to something I just grabbed on the tape quickly and think to myself "wow, how on earth did I get that sound, that's insanely good".
I also regularly go through phases of not playing guitar and I've accepted that's part of my personality, the long time with guitar and no particular motivation to play a lot. I get really into it for some days of weeks when I have something really interesting I want to learn or practice or just play, but then when nothing inspires me and motivates me, I leave the guitar untouched and I learned a good while ago to not fret over it. It's not like you're losing something or never love it again if you just give your head some time off of it and there's no reason to be playing at the moment. Then again Mick also gave another perspective/situation where you're just stressed and avoid it for one reason or another and you just need to touch it again and let yourself remember why it's fun. Not why it's work and you want to avoid it. It's also why I never even thought of making music a job for me, it's so intermittent for me and I want to love or hate it and experience the current motion in its full depth, I don't want to turn it into regulated experience. I once played in a band and was about to go to studio in a very stressful and busy time and I remember how I hated playing guitar and thinking about the deadline yet I had to do it for hours every day. The studio went awfully and after that I didn't touch guitar in a good while. It just took the pleasure out of it.
Even the local newspaper made an article last week how "people want the linux based thing that rivals guitar amps". Neural is a local company, I was surprised to hear how small and close it was given how widely popular and high quality their products were right away. I sort of share Mick's mentality. I love their products for how easy it is to get fantastic recording tones even in the middle of the night, but I really prefer the amp that's unexpectable and about to explode. The good part about neural plugins though is that it looks like you're using a guitar amp and it behaves like you'd expect, that makes it so much easier than the digital UIs of the modeler boxes. It makes the cognitive process more detached even if it's not apparent in the sound and response you get, it's just that in my brain I'm no longer just plugged into the amp that's connected to the loudspeaker, I'm now connected into a complicated digital UI where the interface is a jungle and archive at the same time. But I would recommend any beginner a neural plugin these days, it's almost like fiddling with an amp without too much focus on menus and tweaking parameters, and the sound will be so much better than some crappy practice amp (although they are good today as well, I'm perhaps a bit stuck on the days when I had crappy amps because I didn't have money). But I can never forget the experience when I finally had money and got a Marshall style 100 W head and 4x12". How I didn't even think about micing, just put it approximately like I had learned close to the speaker, and today when I hear those old recordings, I'm thinking "wow what a sound, so raw and powerful" and I didn't spend much time tweaking the amp either. Something about turning a tube amp up with decent speakers does things.
And when Mick talks about the vanishing of big amps. Just on last friday I was in a tiny local bar with three death metal bands playing with big amps. It was great. You couldn't always hear the solos or figure out what they were playing and they were at times drowning other instruments, but it rocked. Rock is not dead. Also whenever you hear a good drummer or play with one, you remember why you want to play with people in interaction. There's no thing like a good drummer for making your riffs sound amazing and the pull it creates is something you don't want to replace if you experience it. Like I just asked a friend to record a background drum track for me and just the experience of listening it through was great (he didn't play with a click but had a great time), even more enjoyable to lay your guitar track over it. I really wished to play with the friend in room, just play anything.
Also great comment on the Casino journey. I had a similar situation with an Epi Les Paul "inspired by Gibson" Gold Top. Hated the stock pickups and almost ruined what was a great guitar , wood-wise. I'd never soldered before, so I bought some Seth Lovers, practiced some soldering on an old wiring harness. Then desoldered the old pups, put in the new ones. Upgraded the bridge and tailpiece to tonepros and, to me, the guitar would go head to head with one made in Nashville. I think a lot of that is that "I bonded" with the guitar through the effort and learning that went into it.
This episode rocked! So much better! I just don’t think the conversation would’ve played out the same way if Rhett had been involved.
Thank you both so much for sharing these deep feelings. I do the same thing to myself, and it helps so much to hear that you go through some of the same struggles. Such a great episode and so inspiring to push to JFDI!
Great interview. Real and honest, and I'm sure a lot of us can relate. We're all broken in some way. Just learn to recognize it and acknowledge it. Loved the chat.
Good timing on the release, Zach!
Great conversation !!
thank you guys for being honest, human and bringing us your insights. Most humans are more analogue than digital. It is the grungy flaws that make us interesting. Watching you guys makes me happy. More please.
Great conversation. Went to check a few older TPS and Gigrig episodes about pedal order and gain stacking. Just been trying some stuff and now I have some more ideas what to experiment. 🙂
What a great interview AND what a nice person Mick is! Great! I loved it. And espacially I´ve learned, which is the most powerful thing in and to life! Awesome.
I love the old tps videos!! Some of micks best tones came from those small rooms! It seems like we are all on this exciting guitar journey together. And that to me is what makes the whole concept of tps so much fun
I really appreciate the real talk going in the second half of this episode.
Honest and inspiring conversation. To stand on a stage with 20-50 watts of your guitar sound hitting people in the face takes ego for sure. The reason for wanting to become a better player can definitely get lost within the ego. Maybe it’s this ego that makes finding your musical comrades a journey too. So insightful and I can relate. Thanks fellas!!
Great fun and yet serious and insightful. As an old guy (69) it is hard to explain to many what it was like to hear live music at the Fillmore, Winterland, et al. and interestingly if you weren't in the front few rows it wasn't as loud as you might think. Even Hendrix. But, it was an era where many of us believed in the power of a 3 minute song to change lives. Because they did. Not so sure that is true anymore, though there are some artists today in that tradition (shout out to Jason Isbell as a nod to Mick.) Keep fighting the good fight, for real guitars plugged into real amps. Thanks.
Totally agree. I'm a little older than you, and spent 20 years as a programmer doing all kinds of stuff, including AI and early web stuff. When HTML changed from a strictly markup language to presentation, lots of nonsense and time wasting came into play. 30 minutes to program, hours and hours to make it pretty and it still wasn't right. For musicians, this is almost always to the detriment of the music. Pointless and useless "knowledge."
Never went to the Fillmore, but I sat in the 5th row at Cream's next to last concert, saw Hendrix a year later, and the Dead at Winterland. I'm not saying Hendrix or the Beatles or Jimmy Page didn't spend tons of time in the studio. But... the Beatles had George Martin, Hendrix was already Hendrix and the Dead were mostly better live.
Digital: in America, 40% of people live in apartments. I've lived in apartments my entire adult life-until now, at age 55. Tube amps were not a possibility. I've been into the Kemper the past few years. I'm about to order an EVH Iconic, because i can now play it at louder than tv volumes. But, digital democratizes 'good tone' and helps a lot of people with access to the world of amps we never would have been able to afford or house.
I agree, completely, with Mick in that no better guitar tone has been introduced in the 'modern' era. I also think it's unfortunate that we're in an era where people are no longer willing to suffer for their craft, in that everything must be made tiny and lightweight, or it's just an impossible consideration.
Well said and may I add , don't wanna put the work in.
Important stuff Mick! Thanks for sharing.
Great interview. Real shit!!
Great fun. Thanks
Needed this today. Nice!
Thank you, Mick, for being so insightful and informative.
I think the word that comes to mind for this episode is 'authentic',, as that's what this discussion was.
Thank you, Zach, for hosting and also being real.
Much appreciated
Be good to you 🤍💛
Great stuff. Love the comments from Mick - I usually turn him off as I don't like tube screamers and blues... he has my new found respect !
Wow, that was a great episode. Love Mick's insights and honesty.
The amount of hours Dan & Mick have saved me, whether it's the time it takes for the learning curve or where and what eq settings do, I can't even count. I don't even use anything they do. I am super lazy and want a processor to provide a multitude of pedal boards at my feet, on my command. That said, I still maintain the valve amp & guitar's natural sound, so why bother with fancy pedals anyway. I can capture notorious clean tones like John Frusciante's, and 90's Alt Rock, Classic Rock, etc. All because I learned how to set the many different eq's as I now have some idea of what each do, and can apply that knowledge to any equipment. That may sound basic, but not with how much control you have with some of the better equipment out there. Not to mention the signal chain and other factors that helped me understand better.
Falling out of love with "stuff". If I'm in that particular depressive rut I go to my favourite hilltop with some decent headphones and listen to "Wired" by Jeff Beck. Weather, irrelevent inside a decent coat. What an inspirational discussion. Thankyou!
Beautiful words Mick! More episodes like this one! 🎉❤
I loved hearing Mick go into the mental stuff. A lot to think about there
I’m 3-4 years in seeing Mick’s integrity, talent, knowledge and desire to teach. I admire him so much. Getting to know Zack and great things there too!
Personalities/characters we get to know in our own tiny world.
Thank you Joe, very kind words. Props to Zach for making and enabling the love to flow!
Ha; vintage Mick - to ensure broad credit - class. Ps, as a 20 year Ph.D. clinical psychologist, I admire your openness about issues that - I know - affect just about everyone (if not everyone in one way or another) at some point during our lives. Best!
Great to see Sir Michael of Schwangrila on the show! TPS VCQ followed by Dipped in Tone...doesn't get any better than that!
Great episode!
What a beautiful interview! Thank You Mick. I Love this community!
It was a pleasure hearing some of the challenges with setting up or trying gear and how it can ruin the momentum or creative bug. I thought it was just me but YES. It can be a real drag setting things up and worrying about getting it “right”. This was a great watch.
Annnnd…as soon as I’m done typing you guys start talking about falling out of love with guitar and other mental challenges. So REFRESHING and valuable. Many of us can relate. 🙏
Mick's so insightful. That was a great episode
that was enjoyable.
The lumberjack shirt was a bonus. 😁
This with a coffee was the best way to start a day! Love these guys.
Amazing podcast