Why Aren't Revstars More Popular? Dipped In Tone Episode 46
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On Episode 46 of the Dipped in Tone podcast Rhett and Zach discuss Season 2 of the show, we dip a rig that proves Josh Scott has the best slide tone, and we discuss why Revstars aren't more popular.
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This podcast is really listenable. I mean that as an over-handed compliment. Don't stop.
You could take any of those series 3 pedals, put them in a normal jhs case and charge 230 bucks, and they would go from ok to amazing for 90 percent of the youtube guitar guys.
Oh yeah I am 100% positive this is true. If you put a good sounding lower end pedal into a fancy case and attached a high end name to it, people would instantly like it more. This would make an amazing UA-cam series. I’ve seen one person do it with the boss od1. They put it inside a klon style case.
This is definitely true.
Honestly I love the format as is. A sit in and 2 friends talking about music and life in general. I hope you don’t stay too much from that. I do respect the desire to grow and be number one.
Man Rhett talking about the "what are we doing" moment y'all had reminds me of that part of a relationship when you've been seeing each other but haven't made it official and you have to decide if you want to commit or not
Excited about the new focus of the show. As far as guests, I would love to see you talk to Jens Larsen - The best Jazz teacher on UA-cam and an all around nice guy. Not many people seem to have him on even though he has over 300K Subs. I would be curious to see him in an interview with your conversation style talking gear and what not. Anyway, that's my vote.
I was truly happy when you said this is continuing. I really enjoy your conversations and, while I realize that the perpetual search for content will necessitate guests, please don’t forget the causal chats.
Thank you both
Keep it up guys! I don’t catch every episode, but when I do jump in it’s always entertaining.
Something about Peavey gear nobody seems to talk about - the 70s/80s BASS amps had the BEST thump and tone of ANY BASS gear built then and now.
I loved my Peavey Classic 30. Never failed me. Sold when I bought my Divided by 13 SJT 10/20…..SJT picked up random radio stations- Peavey never did. The Peavey was my entry into the awesomeness of Tube amps. The SJT launched me into buying and selling amazing boutique amps.
Josh definitely has the best slide tone….I saw the video that CLEARLY demonstrated such fact.
I really love this channel, It is nice to hear opinions on gear but even nicer to hear 2 different opinions on pedals, gear, Guitars, amps and the like. Just keep on trucking guys!
And we’re back in the room!! Sooo happy the boys are back on the air!
Brian here....definitely a Fight Fight Fight rig, Rhett vs Zach, Rhett vs Josh?
Regarding the actual purchase of these pedals, they came from Eastside Music Supply in Nashville, NOT GC. EMS will always get my money over GC. Thanks for the dip...you guys are the most entertaining duo in Guitarland!
I'd love to see Dan of TPS in your podcast guys, to hear the fight fight fight between him and Rhett about solderless cables
Dan is too much of gentleman to really have fight with someone. He will very probably just find happy middleground and reasoning. In like 3 minutes I guess.
But I would like to see Dan here too. Rhett is surprisingly strongly against pedal switcher and Wet/Dry setup.
I’ve been watching from the start and love the content you have… love the idea that you want to double down.
Got that sweet 3 series delay too, so I might be biased. ;)
I’m catching up, but I’m also excited for the higher production level! Go figure I’d get busy right before y’all step things up! Also, love the Miles shirt 🤙
From Athens GA. Loving this channel.
I just had my classic 30 worked on. He was not happy with the horrific layout on the inside. He marveled how much spilled beer residue was all over the circuitry.
I was a Peavy guitar quality and assurance inspector back in the 90s. Back when Peavy was making EVH Wolfgang s. They were and are so underrated. I had so many Peavy stickers, hats, cups, coozies. I still love my solid state backstage chorus amp.
dipping rigs is always a great segment. you could definitely do 2 or 3 and maybe choose a winner for each episode...
The Revstar is an evolution of the Yamaha SG 1000/2000/3000 which might have been the biggest breakthrough of Japan showing they could make a guitar that could out build American guitars in the 70s and it was a total success, so Yamaha already did what you are wondering about. It was probably the first original Japanese design to really take off and establish them as serious contenders
Santana played them, but they were overall more popular in Europe where the Yamaha SGs were all over the place during the late 70s and 80s, so there actually is a total legacy behind the Revstar, if you are of a certain age, even the Revstar logos date back
Yep, they have a legacy outside of the States and are referenced to the Cafe racer bike culture. Not referenced to the Southern Rock, roots rock old boys that Fano (for example) is aiming at.
So good to have you back gents! You have to get Dennis on. At least Matthew. But y'know, Dennis
I'd be inclined to agree that the Mjolnir could use some presence/highs. Maybe a trimmer like the Lark. Certainly something that could be dialed separately
One of my amps is an older American-made Peavey Classic 30. It’s a fantastic pedal platform - and it has an FX loop which is a must in 2021. Sounds MUCH BETTER than any Blues Jr. I’ve ever played - even Rhett S. needed to mod the hell out of his BJr ...
I just assumed you guys had broken up due to car talk disagreements.
Heck yeah! I’ve had a 720b for around a year and it’s SWEET
I have the 502t, with p90s and the tail piece. It has a lot of ‘ring’ to it, which I like. The only thing I would change is the tuners, but the satin aluminum finish would have to match, which is a hard find.
mike stern played a pacifica
PRS were like Carvin guitars when I was slugging it out in the clubs in Hollywood 20-30 years ago. I knew SOMBODY was buying them, but I never saw any in the wild. On fact, the first PRS player I ever met was someone at church 2 years ago.
I regularly recommend Yamaha guitars to friends who are just starting out. The Pacifica is a great first electric
Me and a buddy bought Yamahas in the 80’s? Mine was an RGZ112P. Played nicely. Gave it to a young player after 15 years. My buddy still has his Pacifica, it’s a level up from the one I got.
I have a Revstar RS502T and did a couple videos that are here on UA-cam. I got it because it was an inexpensive guitar for me to go down the P90 rabbit hole with. One video has tone samples. The other is painting it gold. For the money it’s not bad.
What about backastage journal Podcast? Is that on hold? Or is it just going to become part of the dipped in tone family? Really loved that series. Thanks for all the content!
Welcome back gentlemen.
Zack, definitely more dealers in Europe, Germany. I’d order a couple pedals immediately if there was better access here.
I’ve played the Revstars and they are great guitars.
Was recently talking to the lead singer of Joyce Manor and he’s rocking a revstar and says it’s heavy as hell but super rad. Makes me want to mess with one.
Yamaha had a series of electrics in the 70s and 80s, something between an SG shape with Les Paul dimensions called the SBG series (Santana used them). I think the Revstar is an attempt to come back to the electric market by quoting some aspects of the SBG series in a new package with retro stylings. I like them. Yamaha never puts out an inferior product.
Awesome episode plz do one on harmony guitars new collection they are very well built I played them but than in the same price range I can get Gibson special or fender American so I think the price point has to be little more attractive but you guys dig it deep and let us know your thoughts cheers
32:10 True! I've thought about a Revstar, but got a bit of option paralysis/had confusion about.... What "is" this brand? So many models and specs that seem to outline completely different styles of instrument.
Hi, Zack. Would you mind telling me the brand or posting an Amazon link to the resistor bender? Thanks. Mindblowing.
I love my Revstar (502). The neck is great. I also have a Taylor Solidbody. 😅
It would be so cool to actual hear the dipped rigs. For you and I. But AFTER you've rated them, which would be quite fun
I've had a Revstar 502T (p90s) for 2 years now, and I love it. And I'm actually quite happy they are not more popular. That makes it feel more exclusive and a smart choice, being 570 euros brand new
I bought mine a couple months ago, had to mess with the pick up heights a bit, tighten the tone knob and relieve the neck a hair, but it’s a great guitar for £500! I thought I’d need to replace the P90’s, but I don’t think I’m going to bother.
What initially got me into PRS was watching Mike Einziger play one of those super fat Hollowbody II’s.
"Bro country is just butt rock played through a Fender." Put that on a T-shirt and I'll buy it.
I've been so close to buying a Revstar so many times, but never actually pulled the trigger. I have a Yamaha SA503-TVL (Troy Van Leeuwen signature model) and it's an absolutely incredible guitar. Those p90s in particular are so good. It's easily as good as much higher end Gibsons and other boutique instruments I own that are 3-5x more expensive. I don't know how Revstars compare, but I assume they're similar and likely very undervalued.
I love my TVL as well. Also have one of the RGX-A2 guitars with the rotary pickup selector and LED lights you can't see when you play.
I've had a Revstar 502 (P90s) for a couple of years now. Picked it up 2nd hand on Ebay for about half price, it is a killer guitar, and I have always thought they massively underrated since trying one out at the Yamaha store in London, I would have walked out of the store with one had they offered the P90 and Bigsby combo at the time (believe they do now). I did get a new nut and the frets dressed by my tech, who raved about its tone when I collected it. Would like them to be wider appreciated but hey, I can probably pick up another for a bargain price.
From working in a music shop nearly Noone picks up yamaha guitars except for guitar students parents who want to get something cheap.(which is a shame because they are good) Regarding PRS my first time seeing one was Linken Park but that's okaybwith me because I still love that music and really the custom 24 looks classic and fits well in with a metal, rock, pop etc band no problem
I bought my Peavey Classic 30 used and the price was great, partly because there are several cigarette burns on the tolex. I think they add mojo.
Totally weird that this popped up in my feed: literally 20 min prior I ordered an RS502....
I have one , Peavey vintage sticker....now can I find it? That's another question...I don't think I've looked for it since the 90's. If I can locate I'll message you.
I own the Yamaha Revstar RS502T. Very well made guitar... dead straight neck, super comfortable and super low action from the factory. On the used market these are usually a great buy and the P90's is in are really amazing. Not a "light" guitar but lighter than my 2011 Les Paul Jr. IMO hits way above it's price. Unique and I will never sell it. I sold my PRS SE after I got this because the neck shape on the Revstar for me is superior.
The mystery BTTF amp looks eerily like my Carvin 4x10 cabinet.
Chris Buck's gold top Revstar is a custom shop, but his 502T is not.
I play bass and have two TRBX basses (a 174ew and a 504) and love them(looking for a Yamaha BB too). Funny how Yamaha isn't a known cool guitar company but there stuff is so good (just heard the punch above weight class part, good call). don't forget Yamaha is the biggest Music Instrument company in the world. Yamaha price line ups are easy to understand if you have the info all in one spot
I think revstars look great, I've only played one of the cheapest with p90s, but one thing Yamaha should focus on is restyling the pacificas. Something is amiss with the shape and the whole language design. Two of the best sounding guitars I've ever played were yamahas. A mike Stern pacifica and a terrific SG that still haunts me as the best les paul tone I've witnessed first hand. I was shoping for my first real electric in the early 90s and ended up buying a pretty good studio, but had the chance to play that SG and was a beast. Don't know the year, didn't ask for the price, beacuse it looked kinda weird, and knew nothing about yamahas, but, man, that sounded gooood
Interesting. I’m sure PRS image in a lot of players minds are shifting of late due to the John Mayer association. Do you both see the Silver Sky as something different to the other lines from PRS?
Love the podcast guys! I want to see Chris Buck in the show
Methany- Ibanez, Stern - T-style Pacifica
Love option B but thought there was no option B!!! But glad going w option B!
You should do a show on Hamer USA guitars. To me they are overlooked now but are one of the original companies that did quality guitars to rival Fender and Gibson. On par with Tom Anderson, PRS and Suhr. Unfortunately Hamer was bought and then the name suffered when they moved production over seas.
If it wasn't for the curly cable, I would agree that the loop switcher was ironic
Jay Leonard J. RSP20CR.
I just got an RS720B yesterday. The frets definitely need some TLC, but the stock pickups don't sound half bad. The neck is preferable to the Schecter Corsair I sold a few weeks back. A bit beefier. Larger frets. Etc. I don't love that the Bigsby is polished and the rest of the hardware is satin. It's not immediately off-putting, since I'll probably be looking into upgrading hardware and pickups eventually anyway. Bones are good. Seems like a solid foundation.
Still not a Tele.
Guests I want on the show are Josh Scott, Rj Ronquillio, Brain Wampler, Dennis Fano, Chris Buck, Lee Anderton and Danish Pete
Answer to the title question: they’re heavy
I have an RSP20CR. Great guitar. Well balanced. Not too heavy. She's a solid heavy hitter.
People always complain about the weight of different guitars these days. I set up my old Yamaha RGZ112P for a practice guitar. It's a little lighter than the RSP20CR. Put a new nut on her. The shit rips. The RGZ112p was an incredible guitar for the price.
In the Uk, the revstar 620 retails for £639. That’s pretty much player series fender or epiphone LP custom money.
My 502t is the cheapest guitar I own, £500 odds, less than half the price of the next cheapest…it’s not perfect, but it sounds great, looks great and I can’t complain for the money!
The neck dive and almost frictionless tone knob are my only real gripes.
I really think that for season 2 you need to implement secret ballots when you dip a rig. Otherwise there is too much biasing going on (anchoring heuristic) for the 2nd voter. It is important that these rig dips get unbiased voting.
So I have been binging Dipped in tone the past few days and for some odd reason a screenshot of an amp about to be kicked by a foot I assumed to of the McFly clan shot up on the screen and stayed there a minute with no explanation. I'm guessing it was intended for this episode and landed on that one.
Sorry guys, I had to leave to Google butt rock. Turns out that's my exact wheelhouse. My Playlists are full of butt rock bands, dream theater, devin townsend, and guns and roses.
I got a Revstar 502 (P90 loaded) on the back of Cris Buck's praise of them and that the body was symmetrical enough for me to flip for Left hand playing use.
Fit and finish of the body/neck was great, tuners where kinda what I expected for the price range but work fine for me.
Only thing that bugged me was the push/pull tone knob feels particularly cheap, it can be wobbled, it has no drag to speak of in rotation and feels completely different to the volume knob.
Its knob also sits further from the body in push position than the volume knob (probably 3mm compared to almost touching) it really lets down the feel of an otherwise sound guitar design.
(I filed down the top of the tone control stork to make it sit the same as the vol)
I find mine to be the most resonant guitar I have for passing string vibration to the body/neck and with the P90's being so microphonic it probably adds to the character of the guitar sound.
I would describe it as lively and reactive.
The Revstar covers the whole gambit of glued neck pickup combos found on the big name guitars, all in the same guitar shape.
This makes good sense production wise for a broad range of tonally different guitars, but may not offer a guitar that identifies with those sounds without getting one off the wall and trying it.
Big or small neck
@@zeusapollo8688 Thinnish neck to my hands. That, and the thick poly finish on the back and neck are the reasons why I won't ultimately keep mine (RS502). It's too bad because I love the look and the concept.
@@nirom56 I have one with a large size neck. It is grand
I would like to get a Revstar with P90's but have to sell some gear first.
I don't know Revstars are quite difficult to find new so somebody is buying them. At least the 502s are. I got one about 6 months ago from an online retailer's blemished stock as it was the only one I could find. It's a pretty decent guitar. Would prefer the wrap around over the trapeze style tail piece. Upgraded the tuners, bridge, nut, and pickups because at it's price point why not? It's a pretty solid guitar before the upgrades, but now it's pretty damn sweet tone machine.
I feel that Josh Scott would make a great recurring guest on the show.
Other than that, and as much as your schedules allow it, don’t tape too late on Wednesdays otherwise us European viewers won’t be able to make the live stream.
Puishen has a really cool one
18:17 isn't it to get different pedals on at different times in different combinations?
Not that model. There are no presets in this one. You can only select if the switches are flipping (like when you hit one, the other switches off) and thats it. But its quite some pedals and the true bypass in this switcher is on different level, so I was surprised by Rhetts reaction to this setup.
You guys are such "influencers" now. I was thinking about getting a Revstar. Now that you guys are being positive about them, they're probably going to be back ordered by over a year when I finally have money to order one. lol
Rhythm Shaw plays they grey looking one with a bigsby,if y'all haven't checked him out( from India).
You keep using the word "brand" associating it with Revstar, but the brand is Yamaha, the line is Revstar. This model seems to go back to the Yamaha G300 which were played by guys like (as you mentioned) Carlos Santana and Rick Emmett. Rick even had a double-neck Yamaha ( like a EDS 1275).
I had a P90 equipped medium level Revstar with a flamed maple veneer top. Great sounding, but heavy as heck, fret ends sprouting and not so well dressed. I did like the matt finish Hardware…
Indo built with humid wood. Mine dried out and sprouted too. Took a couple hours with a nail file to get it good again. Heavy and grand feeling
@@zeusapollo8688 it was a great guitar. I miss it… loved the P90s, just too heavy overall for longer jams or gigs.
Big neck or regular?
@@zeusapollo8688 I’d say pretty regular, middle of the road.
& I think Yamaha has some brand recognition, I don’t think players were uninterested in playing a Yamaha guitar, they were just kinda lukewarm when they saw the revstar models we would get but it only takes one right person to walk in to find the right guitar
That Revstar looks like it competes with Electromatic Jets and PRS SE Mira but the lack of established brand at that price range makes it a tough sell.
Yamaha, un-established??!! Seriously, these are great guitars
I was very excited about the Revstars when they came out but could not find one locally. I finally got to try a couple on a visit to Japan in 2019, including the 502 with the P90s, which I was very keen on. Everything about the spec suited me on paper. Very cool visual design, retro style, build quality seemed good. But the feel and sound left me really underwhelmed. Years ago I had a Yamaha SG1800T which was a very nice guitar (just couldn’t live with a Kohler style term and locking nut set up on a set neck style guitar), so no brand allergy for me. I just felt like it was completely vanilla in character once you got past the styling and actually played it. YMMV.
Wow, I didn't realize Kohler decided to jump into the guitar bridge business from faucets. That's cool.
@@majesticpbjcat7707 Lol. Typo. I meant Kahler. But it might as well have been a piece of plumbing for all the good it did!
@@fossilmatic 🤣🤣🤣
If they made left handed revstars I'd get one but yamaha only make the pacifica in LH 😥
Because it doesn’t have fender or Gibson on the headstock
I don't like Revstars because of the neck shape but Yamaha guitars have always been underrated (didn't hamper Michael Lee Firkins) and great value for money.
Rhett, you got your voice audio DIALED. Crazy Glue those knobs and switches down!
Ever heard of the Yamaha
SG2000
Love the pedalboard. But why not complete the look with a white Strat and JHS milkman Amp?
Ben, I was shooting for a little diversity... :-)
@@MrDreadeye keeping it spicy. I like it.
"If Peavey made a...." DRINK!!!
Can we get Josh to comment on that slide rig for the next episode?
Love my Revstar it's the guitar I wanted before I started playing guitar and now it's the one I always pick up first.
Fox totally has that guitar. Got too.
I have always wanted a revstar and dont understand the lack of popularity either
Recover the trucks headliner in tweed!
Gibson Les Paul Junior double cut with a P90
Would love to see Joey come on the show!
Do it or don’t do it. Just don’t do it half assed. Or do…I guess it isn’t up to me. But, glad to hear it again.
Mike Stern plays a Pacifica Tele
I would love to have a left handed Revstar
For around that price I'd suggest a Godin. Better QA and all around quality. Plus made in Canada. Love the look of the Revstar though.
I can’t imagine better quality. I have 3 Revstars, 1 first gen and 2 second gen and they are faultless in terms of build quality and materials.