Slipknot DISRESPECTING Joey Jordison??
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- Опубліковано 2 січ 2024
- Joey Jordison's estate is suing Slipknot for allegedly profiting from his death. Who is right, Slipknot or Joey Jordison?
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I mean I always thought it was possible he simply had issues with mental (and obviously his physical) health, in general, as opposed to an actual physical substance, based on what was said by him and others. And also you can interpret Slipknot not responding as respecting Joeys personal privacy or as a sign that they can’t refute it, or don’t care to. Obviously that’s all speculation but still obviously that’s all we can do, but I think you’re right that it’s likely somewhere in the middle, and even if he had trouble with alcohol that doesn’t mean they didn’t kick him out with 1 email and no warning, nor if he didn’t does it mean that he was telling the 100% truth. We don’t know. But I certainly think if it were me I’d feel wrong displaying anything that truly was personally his without asking permission first. That’s what it comes down to for me, and so if Joeys estate does not give permission or his will determines the items go elsewhere? I think they need to give them back
If Slipknot and Joey had parted on good terms or if he had never left the band, the move to display his stuff could be considered a tribute. The fact that they booted him in a fucking email and abandoned him when he was sick makes this a completely heartless, egregious act of exploitation. No question, no gray area.
This!
Exactly! People seem to not understand that Slipknot abandoned Joey when he needed them the most! Heartless
Around the time of Joey's firing, only him and the band knew about his illness. They took the blame in order to protect Joey's secret.
Also how the family feels
Hard agree.
When you say Joey was a really big part of the band, I really consider him at least 1/4 of Slipknot's value. His style of drumming, his song writing, and all the albums with him on it are FAR superior to all their other albums (yes, even AHIG). In my opinion, the most important members of Slipknot were and still are Joey, Paul, Jim/Mick, and Corey. Everyone else is really pretty expendable. I say this as a HUGE knot fan.
I wonder what the contributions of Joey and Paul were specifically for songwriting compared to Jim and Mick. Obviously the guitarists in the band write the solos, but like, for Duality, who wrote the chorus and who wrote the verses? I have not seen a more detailed analysis of songs like that online.
I agree. Essentially the core of any band. Vocalist, Guitarists, Bass & Drummer. To me Slipknot finished with Joey's death. Even though I did enjoy We Are Not Your Kind, it's not the same band. The End, So Far was virtually unlistenable to me. It was a mess. Not an album I'm going to revisit any time soon. Just call it a day Slipknot. The end is now. Don't tarnish your reputation any more. RIP Paul & Joey. 🖤🙏
1/2 Joey, 1/2 Paul
@@jules7001 I'm also curious about that but with a band with 9 members maybe they intentionally kept who wrote what somewhat cryptic to benefit the ones that didn't contribute quite as much. That's not to say the contributions don't matter, but when they're more accents and samples and stuff in songs, that's really just icing on cake right?
@@SuperRoo_22 I'm one of the rare ones who actually enjoyed TESF. Medicine for the Dead and Hive Mind are both great songs. But there are many more VERY forgettable songs.
Might as well call it The Corey and Clown Experience now
Perfectly suits that band.
Slipknot officially died on May 24, 2010 with Paul.
Just The Clowns.
Man, how are you gonna fire one of the most important people ever via email without telling them. especially if they’ve been there since day one.
Corey and Shaun
presents : A Slipknot Experience
It sucks to see Slipknot become what it is. I got Slipknot tattooed on me at 18 because they were my favorite band. Their first 4 albums were amazing and I even like the grey chapter. But this drama is too much.
It's sad because they've pretty much become what they originally rebelled against
Getting your favorite band tattooed on you at 18 has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If I did that I would have a Muse, tattoo, or something way worse: a Brand New tattoo.
it's never too late to cover up a tattoo
I got a Black Veil Brides and Bullet for my Valentine tattoo before I turned 21. I’m 31 now, no regrets lol
I got a Slipknot tattoo also at around 20 and even I have to agree to everything they hadn’t been the same since 2015 and after that I no longer pay attention to them. I still love the music and everything and haven’t regret the tattoo at age 29.
I mean, they fired Joey through email, now they fired Jay and it doesn't look like they were in good terms. Chris had sued them over money. Apparently the band became too much of a juggernaut to be just a regular band, it's just a company now, the camaraderie seems to be gone and they seem to be assholes.
Sounds like they had this lawsuit coming. Karma perhaps?
They fired Joey because he wasnt showing up to write and told management he didnt want to write a new Slipknot album. He wanted to do a second Scar The Martyr album and tour for it. On top of that, he hid his illness. Joey himself said they just assumed he was on drugs as an explanation for his decline in playing. After what happened to Paul, there was no way they'd support that lifestyle on the road. Chris was fired because he sued the band. He wanted more money and thought Clown and Corey were making money on the side, which they werent. He dropped his case with no cost to either party and had his lawyer make the statement saying he hopes to rejoin the band. Total misunderstanding on his part, but the damage was already done. Not much about Jay and Slipknot has been said other than there's no hard feelings and his drum tech saying his firing was a long time coming. And lets be honest, in the studio, Jay never fit the band. They went with him because they were on a time crunch. They didn't even audition anyone else and started writing .5 the next day. Craig most likely left on his own. He just performed with them a couple days before they were playing with a new guy. You dont find a new member and create a new mask in two days. They had to of been given a heads up by Craig. Makes sense. He no longer had obligations to Roadrunner. He's in his 50's and has small children. He doesnt need to tour anymore. He probably chose to be with his family over being on the road all the time. Slipknot didnt do anything wrong with any member that's not there anymore. Fans are the ones who create drama around it, just like they did with Mushroomhead.
@@JasonxknotThat’s a whole novel bro
@@Wowwowpow13lmao
@@Jasonxknotfinally! Someone understands it
Man, slipknot went downhill once Paul died and then once Joey was fired, things just got even worse.
They are literally my generation's Metallica. They should have stopped after the first 3 albums and the death of their bassists. Instead, they went soft immediately after this.
@@user-xd7vp2zd6p agreed, how are you going to fire an OG member by email without warning.
@@user-xd7vp2zd6pall hope is gone and the Gray chapter were pretty heavy. We are not your kind was kinda half and half but the end so far was just radio friendly from start to finish
Because Joey was the mastermind behind the band.
He wrote most of the music and produced them too.
@@FathomManeGrey chapter was fukin mid.
Nothing beats the first 3 albums
It is sad to see but, like someone in the chat said, it's what happens when your band turns into a business that can't really stop. Addiction struggles aside, being in a band is like being in a bigamist marriage, and I'm sure those guys were so close together for so long that there were tons of issues that went into Joey's firing that couldn't be neatly summed up in a press release. Still, the optics are pretty bad for Slipknot, especially after kicking Jay out in much the same fashion.
Well they could at least try to communicate a bit more. Corey and Shawn (assuming they're still running the show) seem to be set on their way to dehumanize the band.
If Joey was still struggling with addiction, I doubt he was the one who wasn't responsive to the situation. Especially considering what happened with Paul.
@@FairyCRat they aren’t trying to dehumanize the band.
@@FairyCRat Didn't Corey poach Joey from another band? It seems like Slipknot was set up from the jump with the express goal of getting big and famous. When you have that mindset right away, people's feelings come a distant second.
@@veenoir1991 I'm pretty sure every member was drinking and drugging and it was probably just easier to allude to "substance abuse problems" with Joey to avoid having to talk about it more.
The way this band has treated its band members throughout the years has really caused me to sour on Slipknot as a whole. Chris, Joey & Jay all got fired in a shitty way and it seems like Corey and Clown are fully intent on treating the band as a business without any respect for the familial ties that comes with being in a band for 20+ years with your bros.
Did you watch the whole video?
@@codybischoff1010 sure did, not saying Joey didn't have his demons, but there is a reocurring pattern of this band firing members in pretty shady ways.
@@CharlieViking95 I was thinking the same thing. I’ve been following this band for two decades, and the way they fire members seems to follow a pattern. I am not saying that Joey Jordison was innocent during his time in slipknot. I mean, when you see, and hear all of the things that went on while recording Iowa, it’s very clear that most of the band has issues. But it seems to me that bandmembers get fired from this band unceremoniously, and there is usually either a money problem or a communication problem behind it.
Every member who's not in Slipknot did it to themselves. Fans just choose not to read the full story and believe made up scenarios they read in the comments because they're too lazy to read or watch full interviews. They just go Slipknot bad. Old band member good.
@@CharlieViking95 but try to isolate the Joey and Chris situation, both addicts so that’s a tricky element
For me, Joey, Paul, Jim and Mick are the dudes I love listening to. We’ll always have their early releases to go back to. As a guitarist myself, Jim and Mick were huge inspirations to me in the late 90s and early 2000’s.
Mick songs are always the heaviest, I love it.
Jim is a hero man
Same here. Mick always came up with the most crushing riffs, while Jim brought that dark melody and jazz groove. Paul always had the tastiest bass lines backing those two.
That’s because Mick, Joe, Paul and I believe Jim to an extent were all REALLY into Death Metal/Grindcore. They had played in DM bands before they were in Slipknot, and they brought a lot of those elements in. It’s the reason why S/T and Iowa sound so extreme.
Slipknot's album was only out in June of 1999 so half a year doesn't constitute the late 90s
People either think Slipknot are totally asses, or Joey was completely strung out and in the wrong. It's crazy nobody thinks of that huge middle ground.
They should, but people are always drawn to extremes. Hardly ever any middle ground.
It's sad.
if joey was strung out why the hell did NONE of his other bandmates in other bands have an issue.... murderdolls, scar the martyr .. i mean come the fuck on.. slipknot was not slipknot without joey
@@glitchieeglitch503 The other bands didn't have Paul in them. It makes sense that the bigger band would have a problem after Paul's death. Joey's other bands admit, he had his demons.
@@glitchieeglitch503 literally his last band tweeted about how he couldn’t control his demons and they did “Everything they could” to help him
Slipknot died along with Joey and Paul in my opinion. A very known fact while they were still with us is that they were the driving force of the band. Paul's lyrics, Joey's creative mastermind and godly drum skills. Gives me chills to this day remembering the first time I heard him on the kit. Rest in peace my dudes 🤘
Paul was not a driving force for slipknot. He played bass. Relax.
@@clowwwwwwwnhe was their primary songwriter...
@@rorz999 google it. you're wrong.
8:55 from what I can understand Joey developed an addiction for the painkillers he was prescribed for his disease. I believe personally that he died of an accidental overdose. I think his biggest demons were the death of his best friend Paul and being excluded from the band he loved more than life, Slipknot.
What they did to Jay kind of confirms that clown and Corey is all about money these days. I’m just glad I got to see them live twice with all members still in the band. I will never ever forget the excellent drumming from Joey, still blows my mind to this day.
Great handling of this Finn. Multiple things can be true at the same time:
--The way Joey got canned was messed up.
--Joey had a lot of responsibility for his firing.
In the end, the truth is that Joey was a god-tier, one-in-a-billion musical force who didn't conquer his demons.
I can’t believe people don’t realize how big Joey was to not only Slipknot, but metal rock as a whole and being one of the best drummers of all time..😢 Slipknot was at their peak and best when Joey was on the drums. 💔
People know man
Murderdolls was also sick with him on guitar. I have a feeling that he had some part of Slipknots writing process beyond just him on drums.
true rip joey, same with paul, paul literally helped mixing the songs, to make the slipknot sound, you could tell when paul was gone, rip, that the sound was not the same. it's not the same band anymore, then you have greedy corey and shawn, whats really ironic is the lyrics corey had in old songs were about money couldn't buy him / them etc..
@@thepsychotixhe definitely did have a part of the writing process, dude was an incredible musician and multifaceted
Nothing but the absolute and upmost respect to you sir. Thank you. Joey was an all around metal legend. How things ended for him as a whole are just the unfair, unrealistic but true realities of life. Saddens me every day since he influenced me to get behind the kit at a young age…but I’m thankful for the statement he
left behind, an also thankful we have someone like you as a part of the metal music scene to give us intel or any opinions/facts you have about it. I miss Joey, and Paul. That band got me into everything as a little kid to everything i know now…which helped open my interests to the good ol fun ol pop punk/metalcore scene.
“Imagine getting fired form your job right now without notice”
To the person that said this, that’s what getting fired is.
Yep
Happen to me twice, downsized by email.
@@kidcoyoteanarchy right. Its happened to me. It sucks but that just how it is. That is why you give minimum to no notice when you quit.
@@TheMetaldudeX When it comes to a regular job, I agree. When you have a career like Joey had, you should be able to expect a tad more before being let go.
Sometimes you can see it coming, but more often than not it's just like that. The company will try to replace you before firing you, they will do it when it's the most convenient to them and fuck your salary and family. And that's when they don't make YOU teach the person who will replace you lol
If they didnt have any of Joey’s stuff in the Slipknot museum, it wouldve been seen as a HUGE slight against their now dead former bandmate.
Legal rights aside the least the band could have done was to consult the family of Joey. It takes one phone call to explain what they plan to do out of respect. If the family had said yes then fine, but to not even consult them seems a misguided at best assuming that this did not happen.
I kind of have the same takeaway. It's impossible to know what went down behind the scenes, but it's just sad. They made such great music with him, and while that won't change now, it's hard to listen to those songs and not thing about how it ended.
Addiction takes so many beautiful, talented, amazing and good people away from us. Drugs truly are a lose-lose for the people we love, for us and for society in general. I’m not even militant or hardcore against drugs. I just realize the humongous tragedy they represent in the lives of promising, wonderful people. It’s truly sad to watch.
What about weed and shrooms?
Even if he had issues it's irrelevent you don't just bail on a band member you consider family and fire him especially one who's been there since the beginning if anything you go and support and help him through it even it takes some time unless it becomes a constant issue i can understand. Look at bands like Metallica and Green Day for example who's main members had to go through rehab and such for their issues with drugs and alcohol but had support.
I met him on his last tour in Europe with Sinsaenum and he was the nicest guy ever. Talked to every single fan, signed stuff, and took pictures all night long. You could tell though that something wasn't right. I'm not sure if it was because of his illness or something else, but the way he talked and reacted to his surroundings seemed kinda odd and not the way you would see him in interviews for example. And he was definitely into drinking. After I left, a friend of mine stayed a bit longer and had shots of vodka with him at the venue bar. So I think he was a very nice dude, one of the best metal musicians who have ever walked the earth, but said "demons" were definitely there and we're talking about 2018.
Additionally, it seems like addiction was also (at least one) reason why they kicked Chris Fehn. I've seen Shawn's daughter responding to some comment, mentioning that Chris was an addict that couldn't get his shit together, or at least not to such a degree, that Slipknot could function as a group.
Lol bro they kicked Chris out because he publicly sued them over money. Anything else is clearly slander
It's pretty well documented that Joey and Paul were bad into drugs. The only thing that has ever been said about Chris being a drug addict was by clowns daughter. Then sadly she died of a drug overdose a month or so later. I can't put much stock into that.
As a 35 year old, who got into slipknot at 11, if you talk of them I must click lol
I have always respected your ability to have an unbiased opinion and give us the facts to the best of your ability, thanks, Fin.
Slipknot has become all that it once hated.
Joey's drumming is the core of that band. The songs are built from the drums up, all the guitars are percussive as hell, the riffs and just slamming along to the drums.. That's why the best songs they've done have been written in part by Joey. It's one of the most drum-centric metal bands out there, and that's what I loved about them when I was super into Slipknot back in the day.
A lot of the members do seem like they at least were shitbags though.. The stories about all the internal tension when they were writing music, that's not normal for even keeled people. It's a wonder that they've stuck together for as long as they have.
Momma, we made it
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The whole thing about him having that medical condition being confused for drug/alcohol issues is definitely some spin on Joey's part. When Joey died his bandmates in Sinsaneum made a statement about how they tried to get through to him for months/years and that he wasn't able to overcome his demons in the end. His girlfriend that found his body in her 911 called talked about him being a major alcoholic. Slipknot have seemed to be douchebags of late but i HIGHLY doubt he got kicked out because of misunderstandings of a medical condition. They get a lot of shit for not talking about why they did that but maybe they didn't want to hurt Joey more by saying "it's because he's a fucking addict who can't get his shit together alright??". Btw I LOVE Joey, one of my all time favorite drummers but there's ample evidence that he had problems.
Finn covers this in the video.
His medical condition was no joke though. If you've met anyone who has it, you'll know it's basically daily suffering
What people need to remember here, is that there is probably a reason Slipknot did NOT give their version. So them not explaining and taking all this flack could very well be a huge show of respect on their part. He was most likely an addict, and we were only hearing an addict's side of the story here. Which should be met with empathy of course, but also keeping in mind that there most likely is a whole other side to the story, that was never told.
Yep this is exactly what I think
This is somewhat similar to what is going on in the Power Trip camp
You’re correct I think.
The condition Joey had is exceedingly rare to just develop randomly later in life but mostly seen as an unfortunate result of needle drug use which aligns with other dark rumors around the Slipknot camp.
Slipknot is likely holding back from coming forward to the world and spilling the beans about how bad Joeys addictions were
Plus, you listen to the 911 call from joeys death and his ex says it right there “he’s a very very severe alcoholic”. He very likely died from choking on his vomit due to alcohol
alkoholism and pills @@Dusty338
Well said. Typically some nuance to these kind of things
I don’t even listen to metal or punk that much but I can’t stop watching his videos because they are so damn entertaining
You’re very unbiased. Which I like and is refreshing try to get an interview with them.
Always grateful for a new vid from Finn 🙏
On the subject of paying for the museum. The two times I have been there they charged $50 more per person to enter the museum. The only people that had that included with their ticket had VIP tickets. Obviously having a VIP ticket means they more than paid for access to see a room that felt like a room focused more on Joey, Paul and Corey than anyone.
It is a great shame and this beahiour throws away everything that they achieved, Slipknot is finished and Corey and Clown should be greatly hated for their actions,this all is just too sad. Joey,rest in peace.
Legally speaking, Slipknot is only two people now, Corey and Clown. Everyone else is considered an employee so all of this needs to be filtered through that. As Finn said, we have no idea what the contracts used to be or if Joey was a controlling member at one time etc. I would imagine though, that once he was removed from the band, if he had any rights as an owner, it was delt with back then. Most likely all of this stuff is considered property of the legal entity "slipknot" and his estate would have no right to it. Not a lawyer though so 🤷♂
If Paul was alive Joe would stay in the band to the end.
They are only pissing on Pauls and Joeys grave. They need to break up and call it a day already
@@bojanstojanovic5465i wish Paul never died they’d still have a massive fan base but Corey and Clown killed it by firing half the band and forced to band to become everything it was trying to destroy. So much for “All the money in the world can’t buy me” turns out it didnt take much money at all to buy them out
My opinion has always been that Vol 3 The Subliminal Verses was the last truly great Slipknot album. Finding out that Joey and Paul had so much to do with the writing back then really helps justify my opinion.
Vol 3 was the first majority collaborative effort of the band tho, it wasn’t Joey and Paul that was the Iowa album
14 minutes of "we don't know what's really going on" is pretty impressive. Those bills truly do not pay themselves. At least you're honest about it lmao
Joey is the final drummer that inspired me say “damnit, I’m going to learn to play drums.”
I saw the museum at Knotfest 2023 Australia and they also items of Paul Grays in the displays,
I remember seeing them at the London astoria when hit the UK for the 1st time
People don't know how this band truly gave metal in the UK and Europe it's vibe
So many amazing sub culture of metal was kicking around but they seemed to combine all of them
I was into grind and anything brutal, I noticed so many people that were new to metal or just listen to other genres started to get into extreme metal because of slipknot.
I'm always saying the 1stvthree album's where their best
I'm not a fan of the last few but I know if I put any of slipknot albums on I know what I'm getting like grandmas apple and custard crumble
I'm gonna be honest, I kinda stay away from this because i like to have something that won't make me depressed
apple and custard crumble, my god that sounds good.
in guessing it's like a cobbler but with a layer of custard either above or below the layer of apple, AND it has crumb topping?
I seriously need to try this, is it served warm or cold?
I would guess with the custard it would need to be served cold yeah?
IM from the US I've never heard of that dish, but in damn interested now😅
@@eatassonthefirstdate hey man, yes it's very alike to cobbler. It's normally served warm to hot depending on your tastes
The custard is also served warm to hot depending on your tastes
Dude, it's the best thing ever, the topping is a biscuit buttery crumble flavor
when i think of slipknot i immediately picture joey in my head. i feel like he was definitely more of a face of the band than even corey taylor.
Saying an album is dedicated to a former member of the band and a friend who has recently passed is hardly “profiting of his death”. The Slipknot Museum at Knotfest has been around for years, even when Joey was still in the band. Over the years it’s displayed loads of different parts of their history including Joey’s suits, masks and gear. They haven’t just started doing that now because he’s dead.
No dude the idea is that when Joey died all his shit was supposed to be returned to the family. They're saying slipknot didn't hold up that end. And yeah when you advertise Joey's gear as being a part of the slipknot road show, when you're not even supposed to have his shit because you're court ordered to return it, that is in fact illegal.
This would work if Slipknot and joey were friends before he passed but they weren't. the fallout was so bad that he really hated them and didn't want anything to do with them.
The situation was like Eric Carr and kiss. Just cause Joey died doesn't suddenly mean all was forgiven between him and the band
@@XvXMONSTERXvX it’s absolutely not like that at all. Sure there was animosity surrounding the split and the nature of it but Joey has gone on record countless times in the years after his dismissal saying how much he loved the remaining members of the band. There was no hatred on either end.
@@wesker877 at no point ever have they used Joey’s name or gear to advertise their roadshow…
EXACTLY !!!! This whole thing is a load of crap !! If I go to the museum, DAMNIT I WANNA SEE SOME OF JOEYS MEMORABILIA !! HE WAS SLIPKNOT !!
My gut is telling me that they got rid of Joey because of his alcoholism. I am assuming that everyone probably cleaned up and they didn’t want anybody around that can cause them to relapse. My take is that the family is probably pissed about them supposedly lying that they called the family after his death. If true, it would set them off. It’s probably not necessarily about the money. The drums and clothing is the really only thing that they should have returned immediately after his firing. The gear is purchased/owned by the musician and they basically kept joeys personal items they had no right too. The family was probably okay with it until they supposedly disrespected the family by lying about the condolences that they said they gave. It will probably be settled out of court quietly. It could also to just an excuse for the estate to get some money. Unfortunately, the accountants & lawyers get paid money from the estate for all this work do on it. It gives them an incentive to try and get more money out of joeys estate for themselves.
Dumb question, but in these major band scenarios, when they say "wrote", what do they mean? Like they came up with the melody? Or they came up with every single guitar riff & bassline, the entire structure of the song, etc?
I wrote something similar to this years ago, and i think while of course just my opinion, i think it cold be at least partially true:
The reason why Joey was removed from Slipknot, was because of Corey and over Paul. After Paul had died, Corey made it VERY known that he was unable or unwilling to just "get over it" and do any album/touring after losing Paul clearly hit him hard. Especially if you read/saw what he would say in interviews. However, in most every accompanying interviews (and ad nauseam), the question was asked of whomever the interviewer had to talk to was "what is gonna happen next?", "is it too soon to say?" ect. BUT when the question was asked to Joey, he would make it pretty clear that he/they were ready to record and tour...and over several months in mags and online he made it clear that Corey was holding up the process. Many interviews at the time Joey would state that if Corey wasnt ready they would move on without him and if i recall, there may have been a few interviews of Joey making it out that Corey was just being a baby about it ect. Im sure Joey would make the case for removing Corey and moving on to any and all members who would entertain it.
Now, when youre band is still at the top of their game and easily the most popular metal band on the planet, and a member that dies, but is also a very key member...you dont (or probably shouldnt) just mention casually about one of the most popular and successful even at that time singers that "If he wont do it, we'll get another one", thats bound to make other members either a: angry, or b: question Joeys judgment. Corey was also doing his Stone Sour stuff, so that was already putting pressure on Slipknot to do more soon as well. So animosity, press being taken in and out of context, and whatever other issues the band was already dealing with (9 guys...theres gonna be problems), it became something that needed dealt with.
If Corey, Clown, Joey, and Paul were the company/trademark holders, then assuming it was all "relatively" equal then itd come to a vote....and with no Paul its simply a 2 to 1 vote, and Joeys out.
Now kicking out one of the most influential drummers that metal world had seen in years is ALSO not to be taken lightly...but...ALL press is good press. So the ball is now in favor of Corey and Clown, and opportunity to see what the rest of the band can do.
The smartest thing Corey, and Clown could have done and DID, was make nondisclosure agreements (for Joey as well as other members that have left). That keeps Joeys mouth shut for future money wins and losses due to lawsuits ect. On top of the fact that now they get to introduce new "mystery" to their now already popular lore. Win/win for Slipknot.
Of course this hit Joey hard, how could it not? So im sure that he went through or had substance abuse/drinking problems after this (the WHOLE BAND DID at certain points at this point...Paul died from substance abuse ffs), being kicked out of "HIS" band, and really kind of being betrayed by his "brothers". The story of Joeys transverse myelitis could certainly be true, and i have no reason believe otherwise (not a medical professional at all of course), but while even a brief reading up on it can show that it can just happen, as well as be completely recovered from, it seems as though it COULDVE been a very good cover at least in the Slipknot camp, however weak or nonsensical it wouldve been- you dont kick out your brother when hes ill, you help him recover, ESPECIALLY if youve already lost a member by death regardless of cause. And sadly, while certainly only speculative, it could be said that seeing "his" band continue, and just as or even more successfully without him probably took its toll as well. At least his other band mates have a decent amount of respect and havent spoken ill of him even if they have firsthand knowledge of any potential substance abuse or other health issues.
So Clown and Corey removed a problem, unfortunately that problem was Joey. They knew that even if he was going to be out, he had money and would still make money from the band, and as well be able to pretty much walk into or create any band he wanted to. Sending an email was def a cowardly move...but not knowing anything of the situation other than press/interviews it couldve been the safest way they felt for them to do it.
Im sure that hearing the news of his death hit them hard, but if they had been as estranged as they all claim, then statements regarding Joey were/are STILL kept at a minimum. Other than the tributes at the shows, the merch that they can still sell, and whatever moneys go to Joeys estate (or lack of...hence this lawsuit).
It all seemed pretty ridiculous and incredibly sad, if not at all surprising.
TLDR; Speculation. Cory and Clown got rid of a "problem" member, that member went on to pass away from the blow that it took on his life. Whether medically, or due to substance abuse or both. Corey and Clown show their true colors even now (how many original member are there now?), and are still profiting off of someone elses legacy.
Also, Slipknot sucks. Seriously.
I think the only good way to handle this would have been too return it all to the family and ask if you could rent/borrow it for your museum.
Slioknot was done the day Joey was kicked out of his own band.
Clown is shadey, but to be honest, there were many iterations of Joey's masks. They could keep one pair of shoes and one or two masks for a tribute, and there could have been potentially many artifacts still left for the family to keep.
It's hard to call it quits when there is money on the table. Business is cut-throat, and the music business is no different. It sounds like Joey's estate is negotiating percentages of future revenue, and the lawyers are winning!
If they were truly brothers they would of helped Joey and gave him his time instead of firing him in the most cowardly chicken shit fashion
@@FathomMane Then again, brothers also fight and refuse to talk to each other ;)
Also regarding Joey's potential drug use at the time of his firing; I had heard somewhere (legitimate source, I know) that Transitive Myelitis is a health issue that commonly occurs in those who have relapsed on hard drugs, heroin if I remember correctly. If that's the case then I feel the band made a hard, but necessary choice in firing.
I highly doubt he was using heroin. But it's well documented that he was a heavy drinker. I don't know if alcoholism can bring that illness on
Good. They fired him in such a disrespectful way and just all around did him dirty.
Then they started honoring him at shows as soon as he died. It felt disingenuous, Paul and Joey were the HEART & BEAT of the entire band. I often wonder if Paul was alive would they have let Joey go. I want to think not. It seemed like as soon as he died it was like here's our chance to get rid of Joey. Optics boys. It was no secret how tight those two were. They really were core founders and songwriters. I noticed them gone on Chapter 5 immediately, while still half decent they just could not match the level of intensity and songwriting talent that Paul and Joey brought to the band. And then the way they let JAY go... I have lost any respect I once had for them. I HOPE HIS ESTATE WINS!!
RIP JOEY and PAUL
Amen to that man. Justice for Joey
I’m starting to get really disappointed with these guys if this is true (when considered on top of everything else that’s already gone on.. among those things Chris’ financial accusations that they’d fired him over ring all the more true). Damn.
They are just finally showing us their true colors Corey and Clown run the show and the rest are hired musicians. Its the way its been since Paul died. Its a shame but its true
Shout out to House of Masks!🤘🖤
I swear, as part of signing any sort of major deal (record, distro, whatever) band members should have to make a will to make clear what they actually want to happen with their music/possessions.
I'm a born and raised native of the 515 and I've been a maggot since I first heard the music of Slipknot, but I had to accept that one of my favorite bands has become a shadow of what it once was. Craig Jones' departure made it undeniable to me. The sad truth is that regardless of the lineup, The Nine are no more.
Didn't Craig leave on his own accord?
@@Riffman08-dz6pvyea he did
Why would Joey NOT want to be a part of this though? Seems his estate is speaking for him.
I saw the museum in person. It was pretty cool to stand with Joey's stuff. I do think that is sad they barely acknowledged him after they kicked him out, and barely anything after he died until people complained about them not paying tribute after shows then for a short time, they paid tribute to him and Paul.
However he was fired and however many feelings are hurt over that doesn't matter. He is part of a legacy and that deserves to be remembered. What better than a museum for all the fans to enjoy? Give the proceeds from Joey's portion to schools for music instruments and be done with it. RIP Joey
Slipknot mainly Taylor & Clown do not treat people right & never will it's been going on for too long about how they just kick former band members out by email. Jordison may have had medical issues but he was not supported at all when he needed the band the most.
It’s also a very good point that most addicts are actually really good people deep down and the addiction makes them do things that they wouldn’t normally do. I’ve known a lot of addicts and almost every single one was a good person dealing with an extremely difficult situation
I haven't been happy with the way Slipknot has been shedding members but I have a hard time believing that Slipknot actually gets any real profit out of displaying some of Joey's stuff in the band's traveling museum. And it makes sense that it would be included because Joey was such a big part of the band and I think it's absolutely a way for the band to pay tribute. Pretty sure they display Fehn's and Craig's stuff as well. And I believe if we could ask Joey about it right now, he would say that he wants them to have the stuff for display.
This has me thinking of the Gin Blossoms and how they fired Doug Hopkins because he couldn't even record his parts for the first album because he was constantly drunk. He ended up killing himself after receiving his gold record plaque in the mail. It's a sad story, but 30 years later there are so many Doug fanboys on the internet criticizing the band for this and blaming them for his death. Seems ridiculous to me. What do you expect them to do? The guy was drunk and depressed, wouldn't get help and couldn't do his job. Imagine being in a new band with a big record deal and you're trying to finish your first album and make it big and your guitarist's addiction is gonna blow it for you. No blame for GB, IMO. Can't let one guy's demons crush everyone's dreams.
Its tough for me but I went from huge Slipknot fan first 3 albums and then meh after. Sad.
I saw the museum at the first knotfest
And they had Paul's jumpsuit and bass on stage at that show.
I look at it as a tribute, Paul and Joey were a big part of the band
He’s part of their legacy, it’s honouring him
I wouldn’t be too upset if they stopped making new music but it’d be a shame if they stopped touring they’re still a ton of fun to see live
It’s so easy to judge Corey and Clown as pure villains. It’s like someone being angry at a CEO or other CEO suite for everything that occurs within the company. I’m not saying they are without any blame but I also don’t think Corey and Clown are this pure money driven sociopaths. I’ve been to the museum and it would be weird for it NOT to feature items from one of the founding members. Joey clearly had demons he was dealing with that were effecting the progress of Slipknot and maybe you disagree with the email firing but as Finn says, you’re always going to get some kind of excuse, right or wrong, from the person getting fired. The point being, there’s nothing Corey and clown can do that would satisfy some fans. If they keep talking about it, then it constantly gets brought up and even if they dive into it there’s people who will never be happy. If his stuff WASNT in the Slipknot museum y’all would be bitching about that too! 😂 can we stop pretending Corey and clown are Bond villains?
Slipknot as a band has gone through distinct eras of having highs and lows and this is no different, at the end of the day they're humans behind the music, masks, suits and everything, and if you don't share their position as a band it's easy to judge, let alone it's clearly difficult for them specially for Corey and Shawn to deal with all the shit that has been going on for the last couple of years.
I'd say let's just enjoy them while we have them, sometimes people don't realize how huge of a band slipknot is and how immense their influence is, the band is taking it's last breaths so, make sure you appreciate it.
I totally agree about the greedy corp/label pulling the strings.
I can tell you 1000% that Paul and Joey wrote almost all of there best stuff and they did write Iowa together in Paul's basement.
Joey was not only huge ,if not most important, band member, but also huge name in Road Runner and in metal scene..
However, it is museum, no way she could win this on court. If I wanna visit it, surely I wanna see his gear and memorabilia.
I don't even like Slipknot but I always was a fan of Jordison. Dude was a talented drummer and a true metalhead. He just happened to play with Slipknot unfortunately.
It’s an abomination what is happening to this band since the passing of Paul.
"Paul was the glue that held this band together" -several members after Paul's passing. In hindsight, 100% accurate... :/
Remember when Chi Cheng from Deftones died (RIP Chi), and his friend Sergio Vega help take over his role as bassist. However, when he left years later, he revealed that he wasnt hired to be a full time member, just a replacement. And whenever he asked to be a member, they gave him the same contract. And when he did leave, the other members were like 'Good luck'. I really do feel bad for Sergio
You mean chi cheng not chino
@@prehistoricturtlesaurus5309 oh yeah sorry for the typo
Yeah that whole thing was a dreadful mess. Nobody can replace chi Cheng. But Sergio was a great bass player. Was sad to hear how it ended
I'm a new Slipknot fan so imagine my sadness when I find out that Joey isn't alive anymore since 2021. It feels like a cruel joke. Imagine the rage I feel for Joey, an OG, to be booted out by this band of brothers HE created and dedicated his life to. I want to cry for him. Gone way too soon. I love the Slipknot songs I've listened to but don't know if I can support further than that. Does anyone know where I can buy ethical Joey merch? Maybe even to support his estate? His mask is the one I loved the most.
If u ever been to a slipknot show you sold know they always have a truck out there with all their mask guitars drum etc at the La soccer stadium show they had a specific area for Paul and it was very respectful
I think it actually pays tribute to Joey showing his drums etc at that travelling museum.
I have been a HUGE Slipknot fan since 2014. Seeing how poorly the band is handling so many different things recently is devastating for me to see.
I think it's useful to recognize that the band has pretty much _never_ gotten into the details and drama. One quite possible interpretation of that is that the majority of band members are respectfully protecting the troubled person(s) image they care about, rather than blab to the world about the individual's personal demons.
When you're in a 9-member band, and in every single instance there's _an individual_ that's complaining against a significant majority of the other members, there's a reasonable implication that the individual might be a non-insignificant part of the problem.
Shawn is really living up to his mask smh
If the museum was separate from the live show, meaning if you had to pay an additional fee for the museum then one ninth of the money should go to whoever is suing the band on Joey's behalf. As far as the accusations made that they used his death as a marketing gimmick to make their album sales go up is crazy! All they did is dedicate the album to him! You can't sue them for that I don't think. The fact that this is coming from a "company" and not the family is strange as well. Honestly, after Paul died Joey was most likely so devastated that he was thrown into a downward spiral. Without Paul there to stick up for him while he was struggling with alcohol, drugs, and his health Corey and Clown took control and fired him during a time in his life where he needed these guys more than ever! The whole thing was just wrong and came across as being quite vindictive.
It's no secret that Paul and Joey both had their demons, and sadly neither of them got help before it was too late.
I suppose that we'll never really know how much effort their bandmates put in to trying to get them on the right track, so I'm not going to point the dirty end of the stick at them for it. However, given the dynamic that Slipknot has taken on in the last few years it wouldn't surprise me if they were regarded as liabilities to the Slipknot corporation, Addiction is a terrible and powerful thing and the only real way to get free is for the individual to want it for themselves, but sometimes showing those people that their lives are worth living and people love them gives them a reason to live and get better. When you turn your back on people that are caught in that cycle of addiction without even trying to help, they sink deeper into depression and the addiction gets much worse. MY gut tells me that not much effort was put into helping those guys, but, I wasn't there so perhaps I'm wrong.
As far as displaying Joey's belonging (Paul's too?) I think it's in poor taste and perhaps they shouldn't be doing it. The museum may be complimentary, but it's a marketing strategy designed to further the brand which means turning a profit, so in an indirect way they're absolutely making money off of it. Even if that had a legitimate reason for firing Joey, they couldn't have chose a worse way to do it. It's almost like being married for twenty years and having a family and filing for divorce in the same way. They owed it to him to at least do something of that magnitude in person, not a god damn email. That decision doesn't say much for them as people and it's very becoming of their character or integrity. Essentially they threw him away like an old snot rag after all he had done for that band which every one of them profited from and reaped the rewards of.
We'll always cherish the memories you gave us, Slipknot changed a lot of people's lives and there wouldn't have been a Slipknot without you guys. We love and miss you Joey and Paul
Sadly the only thing I took away from this video was "Bukkake of Souls". That one little ad completely did me in hahahahahahahaha!!!
I would like to see Joey’s estate get a favorable compensation then see a new era of Slipknot post Roadrunner
slipknot in 99:
"it's not a band we're family"
lol💀
So much for “family”
It's sad to see how much money changes people.
Hey the guy who asked about bmth in the live chat, what happened with bmth? If there’s a vid on it let me know
I got to meet Joey when he was still a member of Slipknot, we spoke for a little while and got a photo and autograph. RIP Joey Jordison and Paul Gray
It’s sad nowadays if live long enough you’ll see your favorite bands go to sh!t
Saw him play with Satyricon, filling in for Frost, He was awesome.
I'm sure Satyricon is just another band that Finn hates.
I’ve been saying Clown and Corey seem to be like Gene and Paul.
What the hell this lawsuit seems a bit wild
Transverse myelitis is a rare but documented sequela of heroin use. While the underlying etiology is not clearly elucidated, the prevailing pathophysiologic mechanism amongst existing literature suggests an immune-mediated hypersensitivity reaction due to heroin insufflation following a long period of abstinence.
I went to 2 knotfests in 2 countries (Germany+Italy) in 2 different years and each time they charged 15€ extra for the Slipknot museum
In IMO, Bands that get lightning success eventually lose all morality.
They should have broken up after 3rd album.
Wait, why would they not have his stuff in a display of Slipknot relics and memorabilia?
This whole thing is ridiculous and disrespectful to Joey and his legacy. Joey and Slipknot were on good terms. He praised .5, said he still loved them, and they were still brothers. The End, So Far says dedicated to Joey inside it, so you know its bullshit that they started saying that after the release. Joey loved his fans. There's a reason why he let Slipknot display his items in the Knotfest museum and never tried to get them back. I dont see this as a coincidence that they're all of a sudden pulling this right at the 25th anniversary of their self titled album. Joey played a major part on that album. You know Slipknot are going to want to honor his legacy for this celebration. These people are just looking for a quick settlement. If they go through with it and win, they'll basically be deleting Joey from Slipknot history. Joey would never want that.
As a drummer myself I’m always drawn to the drums on any music I listen to. Joey was the main reason I started listening to slipknot and I loved joeys creativity and skill behind the kit and slipknot will never be what it once was and I really don’t like how the band seems to want to continue by constantly replacing band members whenever convenient and I’m just not a fan of that idea I’m not saying you can’t replace a member when necessary but someone like Joey was just soooo important and really made the band great like it originally was
Absolutely hilarious! Its questionable if the masks and drums were really owned by Joey and not by some "Slipknot-Holding" and some worn out shoes that he probably just left in a rehaersal room. I mean come on! These "artefacts" belong into a Slipknot Museum! Thats still where Joey is highly remebered and apreciated.
Well this just brings up a whole slew of questions.
call it a day? Thats true man. Great video thanks!
Crazy I remember when Shawn said when it became about the money they would stop the band but here they are everyone becomes blind to money I hate it