Hey this is just a bit of critique. I agree with everything you said but I personally am not a fan of your tone. I'm not sure if you were tired or bored but it seems like you didn't enjoy making this video. I'm not trying to be rude but it is hard to follow along when you sound so tired or bored. I agree with your points 100% but the way you talk about it seems so odd. When you speak you make your voice slightly higher and then end your sentences with a lower voice. For example "Triton is a caring father and just wants to protect his dAUGHTER" you keep your voice high and suddenly drop levels down to deepen your voice, it's as if you're rushing.
Please do not listen to these other two replies talking about your talking. The way you talk and the sound and tone of your voice (and M's) is part of what hooked me on your content. Your review style, insights, comedy, expressive avatars, point of view AND your voice make your content more enjoyable than most other in this space. Keep up the good work. I hope M is okay. Cheers! Oh and congrats on the sponsorship!
How about now it's out the original voice actress has come out to say how all the changes are amazing and how they had to revise it. Funny setting fire to something already loved......🤦
I just realized that Eric has always been the most casually dressed of the disney princes. The only times he's ever worn anything fancy was during the wedding scenes. Even in his own castle, Eric just wore his modest white shirt.
@@Superlad945. Ok, I was just commenting on how some of what we think of as absolutes are sometimes black and white. So Many of modern society looks back on the old days thinking it's all problematic and needs finger wagging disapproval rather than research context behind them! Have you seen:-"why snow white is still the strongest princess"?
I've always found it frustrating how much people purposefully misread TLM and how quick Disney has been to appease these individuals. Eric is easily one of the most likable princes so I found the criticism aimed his way so strange.
@@erikbihari3625 "Cmon guys, does Sonic even have a story? It's just running around really fast." Umm, some asshole mad scientist is going around kidnapping animals to use as CPUs in his robot army. And Sonic is their superhero who rescues them.
@@erikbihari3625 can you give some examples of this? I mean, examples starting from 1967 (after Walt died) going thru, idk, 2010? Starting 2016 Disney's bs is obvious, but...???
@@erikbihari3625 eeehhh If the Renaissance has confirmed anything its that it was a little bit After Walts death, but yeah while walt would be touched to see his company be as big as it is today, he would also be heartbroken to see HOW his company is using such status
@@WxIxLxLxIxAxMxS. Pocahontas! If You look back on, it very mutch intended to be Oscar brait! Not to mention gargoyles to complete with Batman the animated series, and others I don't go into now. Heck, Aladdin started the trend of selling movies on celebrities!
It's really disappointing and painful to see how far Disney have fallen to the point that they are destroying their own work and just flat out hating it's past.
A:"we still have the originals! B:"think of them more as adaptations, Disney is notorious for not being faithful with those. C:"hating the past"part is true, though!
@@erikbihari3625 True the original does still exist and when the live action comes and goes it will fade away while the animated one will still be talked about and sold better than it's poor adaptations.
This movie is best macterpeace Disney ever made! It was perfect ! I just wish there would be one erased theme where Triton is apologizing to her to be mean!
Right? It reminds me how on streaming services of “Shrek 2” they took out the “gender confused” line because it was seen as offensive even though it was a villain saying that line Like we aren’t supposed to root for.
@@cheshirerose2001 They changed a lyric in Ursula’s villain song!! The whole point of a VILLAIN is they are OPPOSING THE HERO!! KIDS KNOW WHEN TO NOT ROOT FOR SOMEONE
It’s sanitizing and it leaves everything neutral and boring. Like heroes can tell us what to aspire to, villains can show us what not to do. Anyone with any kind of moral compass, yes even children, can tell what is right and what is wrong.
Lindsay Ellis called the disingenuous discourse around Ariel as "lazy pop feminism". Growing up, I related to Ariel so much but I couldn't put my finger on exactly why. Then I realized it's because she's basically a giant geek/weeb, even to the point of being an isekai protagonist. She doesn't fit in with her society, she's massively into an unpopular hobby, she has a collection of toys/trinkets, she's utterly infatuated with a fantastical different world. She shares with many geeks the experience of an old fuddyduddy parent telling her she needs to abandon her childish things because she needs to grow up, unfortunately for her includes said parent storming into her room and trashing her stuff. Her reason for accepting Ursula's bargain wasn't because of some man, that was just icing on the cake. She just had a traumatic experience and was willing to run away from it. Eric was the most fleshed out prince in Disney without having any tragic backstory. The movie made sure to show that he was a great guy by how much he got along with people lower in station and risking his own life to save a dog. I will admit most Disney romances are shallow husks with only the plot to justify why they're in love. But Eric and Ariel's chemistry felt more real, like they actually liked being together and doing stuff other than kiss. We get to see the two of them on actual dates rather than instantly falling in love.
True except one thing. Ariel _does_ fit in with her own society. At the very beginning Sebastian was hosting a concert starring *her!* ...she just forgot and was late lol but she's not an outcast. She may _feel_ out of place because her obsession with the surface world goes against her father's anti human laws, but nobody actively avoids Ariel or bullies on her. And like you said, if her dad hadn't destroyed her stuff, she wouldn't have left home. She wasn't waiting for an opportunity to leave, it took a traumatic event for her to consider it. Not trying to start an argument; just pointing that out.
Ariel is interesting because she’s a fantastical creature who thinks OUR world is fantastical. Which the left of course hates as you can’t say anything good about western civilization. Especially not western civilization between 1492 and 1836. The left HATES that era.
What struck me upon watching The Little Mermaid as an adult, is that at it's core, is a story about the love of a Father for his daughter. Triton is overbearing, strict and unreasonable... like any Father in the mind of a rebellious teenager. But in the end he is willing to sacrifice himself for his daughter and ultimately learns to let go as a parent. Who wants to bet that these new producers have some serious daddy issues.
I wouldn't even agree with that interpretation. Triton's a single dad, with big responsibilities, and doing the best he can. He clearly loves his children and cares greatly for them. He is strict, but it's clearly not purely out of a desire for control. We see him confide with Sebastian, and express his worries. Ariel's rebellion is proving itself to be too much for him to handle alone, he needs to protect her from herself, and just can't manage it. When he's pushed to lash out, he is immediately remorseful. When she leaves, he is immediately distrought. He wants to find her not to punish her, but because he worries. Hes, he stands as an antagonist, standing in between Ariel and the human world she lusts for. But the movie never actually invalidates his good intentions. We never actually see humans and merfolk interact until the finale, where the humans are still basically shell-shocked from Ursula's reveal. Triton repeatedly stated that humans were dangerous, and never did the movie contradict him. If anything, it actually validates his claims, with the cook vs. Sebastian scene, where we see how humans prey on all sorts of sea creatures merfolk otherwise consider friends. If you want to go "expanded universe", in one of the sequels, we are shown humans throwing harpoons at Triton's family, and crushing Ariel's mom with their ship against a rock. With this in mind, "stay away from humans" is pretty frigging reasonable. That's like "don't play on the rail tracks", "don't approach bears", or "don't run in parking lots". Is he a bit harsh? Yes, but that's often necessary. Kids don't always listen to safety rules, but the risks of not listening are literally death. Kind of warrants increased intensity. Sure, he gets an arc and at the end he goes "maybe not all humans are bad", but by then, Ariel also grew and clearly saw all the harm that disregarding the rules can bring. And, he had gotten confirmation that these particular humans weren't bad, with Eric saving them all from Ursula, so it's not as if he's suddenly trusting of any random human. That openness was justified. Reasonnable. He's not overbearing either, just look at all the time she has left to her own devices. He'd been pretty lenient and trusting. TL;DR: Triton was always a good dad, doing the best he could under the circumstances.
@@bobseven310 I should have clairfied that from Ariels perspective he seems unreasonable or overbearing. Y'know classic Father/rebellious teen daughter dynamic. Our interpretation is the same. I just didn't articulate it clearly or in as many words. 😂
I agree, while the movie does focus a lot on Ariel and Eric, the real driving tension in the movie is between father and daughter. Triton is the character who must undergo a change arc and realize that violently suppressing Ariel's passions (while done out of love and concern for her) only serves to drive her to desperation, and he must also overcome his prejudice against humans. Having it be ultimately be his choice to make Ariel permanently human was a genius way to end his arc.
I don’t get why people think that Ariel is a bad role model. She’s adventurous, smart and kind. Yes, she’s selfish but what teenagers isn’t plus she shows genuine regret when she missed the concert, she lost track of time. “But she made a deal with Ursula!” Ursula, like every villain, preys on the protagonist during their lowest moments like when her father destroyed HER stuff. While she was human she didn’t really tried flirting with Eric she was just enjoying herself like dancing, driving a carriage for the first time, and being a person. Her feelings for Eric was basically a crush
Why are people afraid of a girl wanting to get married? What else should she be concerned about from a natural sense of things? Getting a degree so she can be fulfilled working for a corporation? 3rd. wave feminism is teaching young women to value things that aren't that valuable to them.
People who hate on Ariel either haven't seen the movie in such a long time they dont actually remember it or they've got some cultural/political axe to grind. Ariel is adorable and full of life.
@@matthewmosier8439 I do agree that there is nothing wrong with a woman being a hot heterosexual, getting married to a loving man and get children. It's stupid and hateful to claim such a wish is bad for women somehow. But I don't mind if a woman was a head of some business, though just as long as she has the wisdom and experience to do such a thing.
The Little Mermaid is not a bad movie, since she wanted to be a human to explore the human world as Eric was just a secondary prize, while Eric takes the time to help her and kiss the girl was about Ariel giving Eric permission with her eyes as Sebastian was trying to get Eric to kiss her. Yet somehow they look at these nuanced aspects, only to see I'm gonna get me a man and force yourself on a woman. It genuinely shows how quick people are to see innocent and nuanced topics as problematic for clout.
Or like in many others, just stupidity. Walt's first five movie(snow white,pinocchio,dumbo,Bambi,fantasia) are layered and subtle, that's why sledge hammer zootopia exist!
@@casperryborg4869 how so? I'm not dismissing Ariel's love for Eric, however her goal was not strictly to marry him, but to explore the human world as Eric just happens to be part of that world.
"Ursula was Right" I hated this bc As you pointed out, Ursula took advantage of a vulnerable teenager and gave her a deal with impossible conditions and sabotaged her. IOW set her up to fail. Anyone who says Ursula was right basically agrees with this toxic practice.
Wait -- so people have been saying that "kiss the Girl" is Eric forcing himself on Ariel, but he's also constantly like "Nah, I don't want to kiss this person who seems to want to kiss me, purely because she can't talk and I don't want to take advantage of her."? You can't have both!
Eric and Ariel have one of the best relationships in Disney because they actually take time to get to know each other and their both well rounded characters. I’m so sick of people bad mouthing them!
I found myself facepalming when they said they were changing “Kiss the Girl” for consent reasons. Eric doesn’t force himself onto Ariel. Every time she leaned forward to kiss him, he backed away, establishing that he was a chivalrous gentleman who wouldn’t force himself on a mute girl, even though we all knew he was attracted to her. As for Ursula’s song, she’s the bad guy! We’re not supposed to follow her advice. She purposely gave Ariel bad advice, so Ariel would end up in her clutches. The movie makers are being deliberately obtuse and it’s hair-tearingly frustrating.
One thing about Kiss the Girl that I think gets glanced over is that Ariel isn’t actually all that concerned with Eric kissing her at that point, she’s still taking in all the wonders of humanity: Sebastian, Flounder, and Scuttle are the ones trying to get the kiss to happen, cause that’s pretty much been the one thing hanging over Ariel’s head the moment she signed the scroll, and none of them want to see Ariel get collected by Ursula.
How could anyone be confused by that? She literally leans in and puckers her lips and closes her eyes for him... I swear its just cultural warriors who read the title of the song and made up their minds what it was about.
Also, it’s odd how they wanna focus on Ariel giving consent, when it’s Eric the one that isn’t okay with the kiss, and he’s the one being pushed and persuaded into doing that
@@Acesahn What confuses me is that Alan Menken should know the plot that's happening during Kiss the Girl, he shouldn't have listened to the nonsense being spouted by this generation. The song didn't need to be changed. The whole basis of the song was to get Eric to break Ariel's curse before her time ran out. So how did this generation see a different plot? I will never understand their mindset of wanting to fix something that doesn't need fixing.
@@PinayGrl926 Activists looking for political points to win don't see reality how we do, they never did! Feminists back in the day actually hated Ariel even back in the 90s I was reminded of.
It’s incredible that you have these animated films that are heralded as classics for years/decades, but then the second someone does a live action remake, suddenly people come out of the bushes and say that classic is actually super problematic and needs to be corrected. I can bet that Alan Menken is making those lyric changes because Disney is forcing him, rather than him wanting to do it on his own volition.
The original Little Mermad was heavily criticized upon release actually, which prompted Disney to make Belle in Beauty in the Beast a bit more independent in her character. The issue is that nostalgia masks those original criticisms so people have an idealize version of these movies that they remember.
I miss the days where creators of animated movies could were more able to protect their work from the rash authority of the studio's. When Disney test screened the original Little Mermaid to a group of children, then Disney head Jeffery Katzenberg noticed that a boy was cleaning up spilled popcorn from the floor during "The Part of Your World" song. He misjudged this as being the boy wasn't interested in the song and thus he wanted to cut it out. But Glen Keane (Ariel's key animator) and I think Howard Ashman argued to Katzenberg to keep the song in, as the song serves its part to tell the film's story and about Ariel's desire to explore the human world, meet the humans and be her free self, ect.
They hate on the 1989 classic as "problematic" not just because they have their heads too far up their butts to really see it, but because it helps to justify this mindset that the live-action remakes are somehow more "adult" or "grown up" by virtue of being live-action.
@@andreasmeelie1889 Halle Bailey stated that Ariel “didn’t live up to modern women” responding to The Voice. Ironically she said that Ariel was her best friend, but if she was, she wouldn’t have changed her character AT ALL. She’s adding in the feminism propaganda just to appeal the Twitter audience
Ironically, the animated film was always problematic, since its theatrical release in 1989. John Musker recalled during a press tour that there were some female reporters who gave him and Ron Clements grief because Ariel married Prince Eric at the end of “The Little Mermaid”. Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to assure the female reporters that Ariel loved all things human, not just Prince Eric, but sadly this didn’t change the mind of female reporters. Jeffrey took Ron and John aside by saying to them during a “Beauty and the Beast” meeting: *”Sheesh!! They put me through the ringer! Guys! Whatever we do, I don’t wanna get tagged like that again! We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen on this one!”* Therefore, the “feminist” changes made for Belle in “Beauty and the Beast” were the result of Jeffrey Katzenberg getting “roughed up” by female reporters during a press tour in Florida, as well as Jeffrey not wanting any critique that would diminish the movie’s box office returns. Source: howardashman.squarespace.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-5
Yes and no. Sure, she was obsessed with the human world before meeting him, but she's also totally infatuated by him the moment she gazes upon him. She is then motivated to make a deal with Ursula to be with him, specifically. And the plot centers around their romance from basically start to finish. And, I mean, technically, her having legs was always kind of reliant on him. She got legs so that she could have a chance with him. Then her keeping the legs was dependant on him kissing her. Then her getting legs again could only happen because he killed Ursula.
@@dustymcwari4468 bold of you to assume I didn't. Just because she emphasized every non-Eric point, doesn't mean I agree that Eric isn't the center point of her aspirations for the quasi totality of the movie. Not saying I think that needed to be "fixed" either though.
@@dustymcwari4468 They key to Ariel's characterization is that she is /not/ depicted as being flawless. I do agree with the critics that she is overly motivated by her inner horny. But I disagree with them that this needs to be changed, because this is very clearly depicted as a flaw that is then exploited by the villain and leads to terrible things. Flawed protagonists that make mistakes are things we no longer have enough of. And even though she does end up having all she set out for, she still had an arc and character growth. She didn't lose anything permanently, but she still was remorseful of all the harm she caused. When my kids watch the movie, they pick up on this, so that's good enough for me.
"The ocean is filled with human artifacts." YES, THANK YOU! I've been waiting for at least someone to tell this since shipwrecks are sometimes common within oceans and it can make fictional species like mermaids curious about the land above. Also, I've keep seeing that "only" Ariel is selfish but Ursula was also selfish where she wanted her voice for her own gain without considering what happens to Ariel herself and King Triton is 50/50 since he is considerate with Ariel and her wellbeing but isn't considerate towards humans due to what happened to his wife. I can argue that both Ariel and Eric are a bit reckless or impulsive since they're both infatuated with each other's worlds and were warned about the other world but decided to just do it despite the dangers.
It's basically like Romeo and Juliet, where instead of active parenting where they talk things through and encourage their sense of exploration while teaching caution, they vaguely tell no, stifle them from any legitemate exploration and call it a day!
There’s quite a number of people online who defend Úrsula, so apparently the fact that she’s an obviously selfish villain from the start isn’t so obvious to them 😅@@PickyVickyVindictive
@@PickyVickyVindictive Usually in channels like Wicked Binge when they talk about The Little Mermaid, and from comments throughout the internet relevant to the topic. Most of them are users saying that Ursula was "honest" because she told Ariel everything she was going to do in the contract, and then blame Ariel for trusting her.... even though Ursula is clearly in the wrong for manipulating a teenager and dozens of other merfolk for her own benefit, not to mention that she cheats in the deal too.
And a lot of people forget "The Little Mermaid" tv series. In the series, she is saving lives stopping evil. Also, Ariel and Eric actually have interactions, just not straight interactions that Eric has very vague memories of Ariel.
@Beethoven’s Fidelio the neither should "The Aladdin" TV series, but people still use it for Aladdin backstory videos. The same with"The Lion King" tv series like lion guard. If they are all seen as canon, then so should "The Little Mermaid" be seen as canon. In some videos, they do mention and use its history. But too many just don't want to accept they she was more than some fish girl leaving the sea for a guy.
In fairness, I'm not sure how readily accessible those old TV series are. I grew up with them too, but maybe someone born in the generation after us might not think to look for them. Disney doesn't really go out of their way to make them known, either.
The Little Mermaid literally has a subtext of the exploitation of rebellious teenagers from strict parents and human trafficking. It's not about which side is right or wrong. It's about creating the compromise area in family. That's why Triton allows Ariel to be a human in the end.
@@erikbihari3625 I'm so worried they'll butcher his arc in the remake. It's one of the most important parts of the film, along with his relationship with his daughter. Are they even keeping his hatred of humans, or is that too "problematic" or something?
@@erikbihari3625 I swear, if they kill off Triton by sacrifice himself for Ariel and Ariel takes the throne instead of become a human in the end. That will be a propaganda level of writing.
@@Guy21072536. Not like it's outside of Disney's current wheelhouse. Seen the latest version of mulan? Disney from the looks of it really wants to spit on walt's grave!
@@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132. So fare we can't be sure, but what's absolutely sure is the actress is set up to fail, but she sees it as empowering and aspirational for black folks, wich in some ways even worse! Have you seen Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur? Lawrence Fishburne said he wanted something her daughters could relate to and what I'm guessing is the season finale ends with lunella lafayette(main character's name) defeating white couple named(I'm not kidding) the muzzlers from gentrifying New york's lower east side and have a machine that literally silences the non whites!
I don't know why Disney always misunderstood their own work. Many of their characters are strong in their own way. They don't have to fix that. Wendy and Lily never surrend. They don't have to fight or do anything action to show how strong are they And the male and female can actually protect each other like Ariel and Eric. We don't need to make the female be so strong and the male can't help most of the time and said bad jokes. It just the Snow white period but gender swap. Doesn't help the situation Why Disney just can't figure this out
Modern disney and the mainstream clickbait trash media are full of karens who want to rewrite all history and culture in their image. At this point, it is migraine inducing.
Disney is wrong about many things these days. Actually, this goes for Hollywood in general. Politicians, and yes, these people who are now in charge of modern writing, think that they need to “fix” the old characters and stories so that they fit with the “modern times”. But this just means stripping them away from everything that made them unique in the first place, and what is then left is just a hollow husk.
Here’s what I want to know: How is the remake gonna get past the plot hole about Ariel being able to read and write? She wrote her name on the contract. I always wondered why Ariel never just wrote Eric a note saying she was the one who saved him. Hell, just write it out in the sand after he found you.
I think that because the only clue Eric had to recognize his savior was the voice, it may be another Glass Slipper case, where tons of women can come and say they rescued him from the shipwreck as many times and however they want, but only the girl that owns that very particular voice is the one and only woman he’s truly after, Ariel looked like the one he’s looking for, but the fact she lacked that one key element, it made her just a lookalike to Eric’s eyes And since Ursula has been watching Ariel, she probably knew about that, which would further explain why she wanted her voice, not just to charm Eric, but also to screw Ariel right from the very start in more ways than one
*Disney was such a big part of my life growing up , they're movies had everything , they were so fun , colourful and charming . They were a big source of inspiration for me to draw and write and seeing them misunderstanding and disrespecting their own movies like this hurts my inner child*
The idea that a musical number literally about trying to CONVINCE a guy to kiss someone how desires it is actually" *him* assaulting her" is to abuser for me to take seriously
From what I'm getting is that Disney is ashamed of the movies that people loved back in the day and want to "correct" them with these crappy live action remakes. To the people who are making these criticisms of the older movies. *WATCH THE MOVIES AND SHUT YOUR MOUTHS*
I have a much more cynical take: Disney is not ashamed, they just want to cash in on nostalgia. And therefore, any and every excuse to "justify" the existence of the new product is good enough.
I love the fact that Ariel was the first Disney Princess to not be a completely passive character. Yeah she was more so near the climax, but it was her who drove the plot forward by deciding to discover the human world, deciding to rescue Prince Eric, and deciding to trade her voice for legs. Yeah not all her decisions were perfect, but is a determined ambitious and free spirited character who pursues her dreams even when told not to by those around her a bad role model? The ‘she gave her voice up for a man’ argument has been debunked to death thank god, but regardless a quick rebuttal can be summed up by “It’s part of THAT world, not part of YOUR world”.
For clarification: Yes, the official song title is “part of your world”, but she exclusively sings “part of that world” in her actual song, and only sings “part of your world” in the reprise.
Thinking back to the Disney live action attempts I honestly think that the only one aside from Cinderella that really does well and, honestly, does BEAUTIFULLY is Enchanted... that was an absolutely brilliant new take, if you ask me. Nothing else they've done has been like that at all - it's been a weird push for nonsensical "realistic" animation that totally misses the point of the liveliness, expressiveness and LIFE that classic animation can give to stories ;D These people just never seem to know what they're doing these days. Our girl J here could lead them to success and victory and she's just a (brilliant) woman on UA-cam, not someone working in the wings at Disney itself. Clowns.
Alice in Wonderland live action was unique, but it doesn’t follow the story quite well. I only like the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire Cat. The Queen of Hearts was amazing though
Ariel was a teen who found something amazing that her dad and a lot of other adults didn't like. It was like when kids found rock and roll or mini skirts. Also, she was a hoarder.
The Little Mermaid has always been my favorite Disney Princess film and one of my favorite films of all time. And I always hate the criticism with it. Yeah some of it is me being blind by nostalgia but I can listen to criticism of things I like. I just agree if it's good and still like it anyway. So many don't understand Disney's the Little Mermaid and they miss the fact how great the film was. It was the start of the Disney renaissance era. She as a princess and a film were groundbreaking and the fact people ignore that and want to change it always gets my goat. The only mistake I've found in this film is I have no clue who's bright idea it was to put Ariel in pink. She clearly looks better in blue. Either way awesome video. I love the points you brought up.
@@andreasmeelie1889 with all honesty she doesn't look awful in pink. It was just my mortal enemy when I was a kid. Cause all the Barbie films were pink I wanted my Disney Princess to be any color but pink. Plus blue was my favorite color
@@Merisu_Sheep This came out in late 80s, pink was the color that girls wear on special occasions in the 80s, the clothing designs in this is a mix between the 80s clothing styles and some 19th century styles, so her dress is pink to show that the scene when she's wearing it is a special occasion. She's probably the only redhead that looks lovely in pink lol
Yes, these "fixes" that are implemented in the 2023 version just remind me of these bad faith criticism made in like 2013 by clickbait sites that couldn't be bothered at all or these bad UA-cam musicals that all said the same garbage about the princesses on such a surface level. It's nice that they want to flesh out Eric a little more, but with how it's already described in the interviews, it again seems like we have people doing these remakes that couldn't be bothered to even understand how the original characters were written to begin with. And yeah, that new song, like in all the other remakes, is just in there to get it picked up in the Oscars for original song. I'm also just not a fan of Melissa's casting because it's pretty known that Ursula was made after a drag queen in an overdramatic theater carrier, so it's pretty sad that they didn't cast one that can sing amazingly, but I'm also not surprised... It's still Disney after all… I'm just so sad about all the racism the poor actress already has to deal with and as much as I like her singing voice, even in the first teaser trailer I could already hear how they are screwing up the songs from the original, and I'm already so over that after all these remakes with bad music covers. And don't even get me started on the ugly dull colors chosen for this movie or the live action animal designs...
I agree. I wish Halle Bailey could get a better role than this, because it seems like they are using her as a shield for something they are royally screwing up.
Funny thing is, when this movie was first released, Ariel was actually praised for being a much more active protagonist compared to the earlier princesses. She knew what she wanted, and wasn’t going to take no for an answer. Were all of her choices smart or safe. No. But they are realistic for the teenager she portrayed to be. I think people forget that not every character needs to be a perfect role model. They can make mistakes and be impulsive. For me, it’s more important for a characters actions to be believable and understandable rather than making them 100% right about everything all the time.
@@ritaerror7829 Exactly. By having Pinnocio always knowing and wanting to do the right thing all the time, the remake completely missed the point of the whole story. Same with the Mulan remake. Instead of showing flawed characters learn and become better, these movies tell people to just be born perfect and never really try.
It sure feels like modern Disney as well as Hollywood in general doesn't believe in symbolism or nuance anymore. When they say they're gonna include themes that were already in the original, it probably means they're gonna spoonfeed all the themes and lessons to the audience instead of letting them find out for themselves. And they say these are for the mature audiences smh...
You know the saying "The Left Can't Meme...?" If you look at these "Memes" the leftwing people put on the internet you will find LITERALLY no difference between the Left's Memes and Political Propaganda from the 50s or North Korea today... Because there IS no difference... Because that is LITERALLY what the "Memes" are... Propaganda... Well... Those people making propaganda on the internet... Are who are running Hollywood... They're not being blind to nuance... They LITERALLY do not care... And are BLATANTLY lying ignorance to cover themselves... That's unfortunately the problem we're facing here...
That's the exact impression I'm getting. Disney spoonfeeding modern morals and standards to its audience, because God forbid it give them the 'wrong' ideas instead.
It's really sad modern Disney employees, and some fans just don't "get" classic Disney films, and just look at them through a Twitter viewpoint, and feel they have to "correct" them, not realizing they already were more progressive, feminist, and such then they realize, but not in a modern fanatical way. You did a good job analyzing the movie, Arial's character, Eric's, and the overall plot. There's alot of details, people miss.
Indeed, but that's just modern society for ya. Trying to deconstruct or outright tear down the pillars that make up our society, without thinking about why they got there in the first place!
It’s not Twitter’s fault. It’s Disney’s own fault for giving into the feminist backlash in 1989. John Musker recalled during a press tour that there were some female reporters who gave him and Ron Clements grief because Ariel married Prince Eric at the end of “The Little Mermaid”. Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to assure the female reporters that Ariel loved all things human, not just Prince Eric, but sadly this didn’t change the mind of female reporters. Jeffrey took Ron and John aside by saying to them during a “Beauty and the Beast” meeting: *”Sheesh!! They put me through the ringer! Guys! Whatever we do, I don’t wanna get tagged like that again! We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen on this one!”* Therefore, the “feminist” changes made for Belle in “Beauty and the Beast” were the result of Jeffrey Katzenberg getting “roughed up” by female reporters during a press tour in Florida, as well as Jeffrey not wanting any critique that would diminish the movie’s box office returns. Source: howardashman.squarespace.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-5
I am going to be honest. I WAS the target demographic when the original came out, I did want to see it because of the previews which had "Under the Sea" being performed. Needless to say I had mixed feelings about and keep in mind I was 7. I really didn't like Ariel for the soul purpose that she 'didn't obey her father'. I was at that age where you ALWAYS listened to your parents. Needless to say I didn't blame her for falling for Eric. Even as a kid I loved the "Love at first sight" trope and I still enjoy it since I see nothing wrong with it. I did love the songs, Ursula, and Eric the most and Ursula still has my fav "villain defeated" scene. Yeah that battle against her in theaters was EPIC. As an adult, I still put blame on both Ariel and Triton since I can understand both of their positions now. TLM will never be a fav of mine, but I'd rather have that than this souless remake that's happening since I know the original is very beloved by a lot of people. I really enjoyed this video. You brought things up I didn't think about.
The good news is, there's going to be a new graphic Novel of the Little Mermaid with Ariel from the Original animated movie. The Graphic novel is call *Ariel and Curse of the Sea Witches* It place after the 1st movie and possibly before the direct sequel(The Sequel is still canon, right?). It about Ariel and Eric goes to Arctic to see the construction of a new port. The construction is endangering the coral reefs below-and the merfolk. The Premise of the book gives me Ferngully Vibes because it sound like topic about the environment Which is not a bad idea, if it handle and written in good care. But It does ties with the idea of Merfolks being Legends to humans, and the relations between Humans and Merfolks. The Sea-Witches, I don't know who they are. They can either original villains or hav something to do with the fallout of Ursula, even though Ursula had a Sister Morgana in the direct sequel who targeted Ariel and Eric's daughter, Melody.
Even if it wasn’t for them Triton’s hatred is justified. They throw their trash in the ocean, overfish, kidnap wild animals to put in their zoos, and brought whales almost to extinction. I’d hate them too. 😔
@@erikbihari3625 no? I’m just saying why he’d hate humans if we didn’t have the prequel. He literally calls humans “fish eaters” so logically that would mean he doesn’t like humans fishing, let alone overfishing. 💁🏼 In the Little Mermaid show humans hunted whales and it left a killer whale pup without his family which makes Triton angry. A circus owner also kidnaps Sebastian and Flounder in an episode (if I remember correctly they were after the whale). A mad scientist tries to experiment on Sebastian. It’s not a projection, it’s just logical his hatred for humans is justified.
THANK YOU!!! I'm so sick of people criticizing Ariel (and the movie itself) for things that were part of Ursula's manipulation. Ariel loves the human would, if it was a choice between staying a mermaid and be miserable or be human, even without the romance aspect, she'd pick being human because of how much she loves the human world. Honestly people think it's problematic that Ariel loses her voice for a good chuck of the movie, but that's when she's the most expressive, we get to see her utter joy and fascination with the human world only through her expressions and it works because they're really big and well animated. I think these people tend to forget that the best movies show and don't tell, that you need to read between the lines and actually look at the things being shown to you outside of the dialogue.
It's disappointing that channels like this have to *explain* tings like this to Disney instead of not understanding the value of thier own content and actively pandering to the people giving them unfair criticism :C
Ty for the Ursla read. A lot of people try to rationalize Ursla's actions by saying she's just a good businesswoman and Ariel got outsmarted not considering that spying on a minor to manipulate them into signing a sketchy contract all to have leverage over them yes Ariel signed it but she was close to fulfilling the contract meanwhile Ursla was actively sabotaging her client casting a spell getting a man to marry her without his consent yk all villainous things. Ursula is my second fav Disney villain (behind Scar) but I'm so tired of people trying to make her seem misunderstood when her intentions were clear as day.
THANK YOU!! This movie released when I was six, and I loved Ariel. Not as a role model or for her rebellion, but for her free-spirited curiosity, passion and selfless courage. Yes, giving in to Ursula was wrong and a bit selfish at first - BUT!! - in the end both she and Eric saved one another as well as their worlds. And as you said, Ursula had deceived her. That's no different from Satan and things and agendas of this world deceiving us. And the wicked will always get their just desserts in the end. Ariel definitely doesn't deserve all the disdain and hate she gets. And the happy ending with her and Eric was well-deserved.
@@erikbihari3625 And we mustn't forget Cinderella! Here's a handful of good ones defending her which I highly recommend ua-cam.com/video/ijSrKsghjXc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/huLSdm6IH0g/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/-25AX7J_Q2Q/v-deo.html
@@jillevers1432 she did have a backstory on the prequel, but likely, they’re gonna do the backstory they gave Maleficent: she fell for a man who later betrays her and she becomes evil because of it.
You can tell the people complaining never or don’t remember seeing the original,Ursula set the rules that Ariel had to kiss a guy, she wanted to see the world if the deal was to collect a 100 flamingos,then what is there to complain about ,this is just the lowest hanging fruit is just the basic plot points everyone knows about
Much of the negative criticism for classic Disney entertainment can be boiled down to what is coming to be known as "presentism." (I think.) That is when people draw incorrect conclusions about old media, products, and history because they are making judgements based on current knowledge and ideology rather than the full historical context of times and places of the things in question. It is like how the song, Baby, It's Cold Outside, is seen as being problematic by today's standards. If you know the history of the song and/or pay attention to the context of the lyrics, then the song is perfectly fine. It is almost a female empowerment song. Yes. Really. In the case of The Little Mermaid and several Disney Princess stories, they are fairy tales at their respective hearts. Most fairy tales are simple. Their simplicity is among the reasons why the stories get passed from generation to generation across decades, centuries, and millennia. However, because the fairy tales are so simplistic, today's bite sized, buzz word, cliff notes, headline grabbing retention populous too easily over simplifies the classics. Modern people remember the bullet points. Thus, the topic becomes ONLY the bullet points. There is more to The Little Mermaid that a few cool songs and a woman changing her body to meet a man, but those are the most remembered parts of the movie, so people incorrectly think those parts were all the movie was about. Just as Baby It's Cold Outside features a guy refusing to take "No" for an answer, so that's why modern people think it is a date r%pe song. Don't get me started on how modern people think Gone With The Wind presents a favorable representation of slavery. 🤦♂
If anything cool daddy cool from osmosis jones is more problematic! And in case whoever reads this don't know why, I recommend SonicddrFreak/magma paint's response video on nostalgia critic's take of it(where the compared it to inside out)!
@@HighHeelKnight I'm thinking about doing that myself on classic Disney movies and other topics. I would want to disguise my voice and have an avatar first but I don't have the art skills for the latter.
Ariel is probably one of my favorite Disney Princesses. She’s wild, she’s ambitious, she’s determined, and she’d rather try something new and fail then never try and never know if she could do it
People seem to have not paid attention while watching this movie. The amount of times you hear "she gave up everything for a man". She literally wanted to visit the human world for ages even before she saw Eric. She was obsessed with it. She even risks her life at the start of the film being chased by a shark to get a fork. Even if Ariel never laid eyes on Eric, Ursula still would have used her curiosity against her and made that deal with her. Why? Because she wanted to screw over Triton, that was her ultimate goal. Young Ariel was always going to be manipulated by Ursula and she knew her biggest weakness would be the thought of going on land, hence the deal they made.
Same with Cinderella. She was abused by her stepmother. She goes to the ball fascinated by her surroundings. She just happens to end up with the prince.
Kinda like Misty from Pokemon. They are both brave and feisty redheads who love water. But they are also criticized by everyone and accusing them of being bad role models without further analyzing their characters.
Ariel is the protagonist but she’s not really the one that needed to learn a lesson. Triton needed to learn to let go. There’s being safe, like staying away from humans. And there’s going nuts because she’s collecting junk.
Eric reminds me of Johnathan Joestar in a lot of ways. A nice gentleman who cares a lot about the people he loves/cares about. He was my favourite prince as a child ( I had a huge crush on him as well ) and Ariel was my favourite princess ( I had a crush on her too ) I always thought they were a perfect pairing.
My mom grew up with the original three princesses, Snow White, Cinderella, and Aurora. Being a tomboy, she didn’t identify much with them, and actually enjoyed the villains more. Maleficent was her favorite. The little mermaid was the first of a long line of strong female representation, she said. Ariel being a redhead and ending the evil redhead stereotype was icing on the cake in her mind, (enter Madame Medusa). I’m very happy you said all of this, because I whole heartedly agree. 😁
That's why Ariel is my favorite Disney princess (and one of my favorite characters in all of fiction). As a guy growing up in the 2000s, I was disgusted with princess characters for being "stupid girly damsels in distress who do nothing but wait to be rescued" (including the Disney Princesses). But, when I watched my brother play the first Kingdoms Hearts game when we got to the Atlantica level (with Ariel as our party member) I was able to discover a side of the character I never saw coming. So, although my love for the character came from her being a badass party member in the first Kingdoms Hearts game, Ariel was the first proactive Disney princess with agency as opposed to being helpless and passive (saving Flounder from a shark, killing Flotsem and Jetsem, and saving Prince Eric). And it's all because of my prejudice judgement towards girly stuff like princess characters.
Why are some women so defensive about women "changing their body" for a man? As if that's something only women do, for a start. But what's so specifically troubling about that? Men change plenty about themselves, including their body, to be attractive to women.
We do? Seriously, a lot less men put any effort to improve their attractivity, and for those that do, the average is much lower than for women. And that's including all types of actions to be more attractive, down to the most benign. For "changing their bodies", I mean, that sounds like surgery. How many men get cosmethic surgury compared to women? Cosmetic surgeries are awful, I see nothing wrong with discouraging young people from going to extreme measures just in the hopes of pleasing others. I mean, just the desire to "be pleasing" in itself is a pathway to many mental illnesses such as body dysphoria. I'm not advocating for the reverse extreme of fat glorifying or anything like that, there is such a thing as being healthy, but that's not the (primary) aim of most people "changing their bodies".
@@bobseven310 That used to be the case... I'm fairly certain it is no longer the case. I see fit and attractive men out and about far more often then women, I now this because I often stop to look when its an attractive woman lol
@@bobseven310 most women rate most men as unattractive. Most men rate most women as attractive. The data on that are clear. I don't know where this myth that women are judged more on their looks comes from.
@@cassiopeia21 That's not at all relevant to what I said. Women put more effort into their looks than men do. They are also more critical of appearance then men are. These two things are probably connected, but that's not really important. Does buttox make a woman more attractive? I certainly don't think so, yet they are the ones trying to be "prettier" by getting it, not men.
I have to wonder if Alan Menken is only saying this because of his contract. He can't actually believe this, can he? He worked with and was best friends with Howard Ashman, who put so much heart and soul into his lyrics. I hope that he's just doing this to play lip service to Disney, get a paycheck for the new movie, and take solace that the original songs he made with Ashman are still beloved by generations.
Possibly the easiest way to "fix" a lot of the disney Princess movies is to stop making marriage a first movie ending. Bianca & Bernard; Jasmine & Aladdin; Anna & Sven; each of their movies ended in "Hey, let's give this relationship thing a try and see if we're good together." and the House of Mouse didn't end over it. But I guess if I were to nitpick anything.... let Ariel struggle a bit with what she's doing to Eric. Does she love him - or is she just using him to get the freedom that she wants? Maybe the ending could involve Eric asking when he can have a tour of the sea and they both look to King Triton.
Bernard and Bianca is actually my favorite of those. The two end up getting married (or rather Bernard FINALLY gets to propose) in their second film, and the movie does a GREAT job of showing the lengths they'll go for each other (particularly Bernard) and how much they trust each other.
"Ariel gave up her life for a man." No. She RISKED her life for a chance to become a human. Ursula is the one who said "you have to get that man to kiss you or I'll put you in a jar". For Ariel, it was either take that chance or be miserable living under her dad's rules and away from her dreams.
Yeah the original movies were surprisingly nuanced. Some people judge them by their childhood memories of the films, and as children they apparently didn't pick up on these nuances. There's also the activism which for some reason has been allowed into these companies, the people being put in charge have even less care for the stories and IPs because their priority is their message.
Aside from Snow White which I think is bad because the dwarves where very misogynistic towards her, I've always thought the classic (animated) Disney princess movies have always been good with the characterization of the female characters, and feminism. The problem I find with modern activism is they think that every woman should be the same as all the other women and be a warrior, or be a rich business woman instead of being themselves. Society in the past always wanted women to be wives, home-makers and mothers and now it's all about careers (and a baby!) The princesses in these movies and their helpers have always been strong, but in different ways. A lot of activists say 'a woman's place in the resistance' - my saying is that 'a woman's place is where she wants to be.'
@@craftyhobbit7623 How exactly were the dwarfs misogynistic...? LITERALLY aside from Grumpy... Who was a GRUMP... All SIX of the other dwarves were extremely polite to her... Hell they called her Ma'am before they even knew her and were more CURIOUS about her presence in their home than anything... For fuck's sake they were EMBARRASSED that they were messy in front of her... (Dirty Hands) And going back to how Grumpy treated her... A stranger... From out of nowhere... Shows up in THEIR house... Or are you talking about: "Humph... Women!" I hate to break it to ya... But as sexist as I know you're going to find this... Women have collective traits as a gender that can only warrant such a response from Men... Don't even TRY to argue against this when I KNOW you FULLY accept Robin Williams' famous joke: "Men: We don't know what we did!" as fact...
It's pretty obvious these critics haven't watched the movie recently or at all. A lot of times these movies are a lot deeper then these people give them credit. Reminds me of people saying Gaston is the good guy. Nobody who actually watched the movie would say that
Not even old movies, some people say Bowser was misunderstood, when the man wasn't afraid of reducing one of his own minions to the bone just because they had a different opinion to his, let alone sacrifice all of his prisoners to boiling lava as "celebration" for his wedding
When I hear "more nuanced" my hopes are they plan to incorporate elements of the original tale that were removed from the animated film, such as the mermaid's actual motivation for wanting to be human. But after five disappointments, I know it's more likely that Ariel is going to look directly at the audience and say "I'm not doing this for a man".
Another gripe I have with this movie is that it has as much life as a graveyard. I guess they thought bright and colorful was considered “too childish” so they had to make it look dull and lifeless in order for adults to take it seriously (I think you said something like this in another video).
Thank you! I’ve never understood why people always made it seem like Ariel was this pathetic princess that gave up everything for a guy. More people need to see your video!!!
I agree, I was looking forward to the new movie but bad mouth after bad mouth on the original, I can't even stand the thought! You already gave the exact thoughts on how I feel about Ariel and the movie itself. Plus, Eric wasn't willing to kiss Ariel until he learned her name at least, showing he values her as a person. People compare the new remake to the Brandi Cinderella, which is funny how they just now suddenly acknowledge that movie exists because before they didn't. It only seems like they bring up that movie for clout, when beforehand that movie was long forgotten. Which sucks because as corny as that movie was it was at least a fun one and I could relate to Cinderella in that one a little bit. I feel like all this bad mouth on the old Disney films are just them trying to go woke and not really of course, doing anything. Like instead of just replacing Ariel with a black woman, why not create another animated story with a main black lead. It seems like black characters in these Disney movies are either not human (like Ariel and Tiana for most part of her film) or they're side characters or are biracial, not fully black and yet they say they're being productive and woke. It seems more so they're avoiding doing another animated film with a black lead. If anything they're actually look more racist than what they're saying they are but that's just my view on it.
Agree; makes me worry on when I see the new movie. I do know that there's a reason why I do like Brandi as Cinderella. Because it's a Broadway Cinderella. It may been made by Disney, but it's the musical version with mere hints of the animated movie.
I mean c'mon! We ALL know the bad guy isn't going to be Ursula, the ULTIMATE bad guy will be Daddy Triton for trying to control his daughter. Though...depicting a Black family being manipulative, controlling and abusive is sort of a horrible thing if you ask me, seems sorta racist.
I want to genuinely thank you for your recent Little Mermaid videos cause without them, I would’ve never comprehended that Ariel and Eric are written to be two sides of the same coin and now I appreciate the writing and their relationship in the animated film so much more. Honestly, thank you.
I haven't watched this movie in ages, so it's nice to see how much I had indeed forgotten about it, from the visuals to the story itself. Thank you for the trip down memory lane mj, I think we should all take time to rewatch our classics before passing judgment.
The only genuine complaint I've ever heard about TLM is that she doesn't have a character arc. She wants something, there are obstacles, then she gets it. She is flawed as she's fairly naive, but even with the Witch she knows she's bad news, so not really.
I feel like it should also be pointed out that not only does Ursula not help Ariel get to the surface, but she doesn't give her any clothes either. Triton, on the other hand, actually creates a dress for her to wear.
But isn't she in a vortex in the sea at that moment? And how is she gonna use the ship if she has no legs? Also great job at taking away Eric's spotlight moment(which now that I think about it, probably helped Triton realize humans were good people since Eric chose to stay and fight against a sea monster AND protect Ariel, rather then just go home).
You hit the nail on the head! I especially love how NOT emotionally charged you are in your videos. You don't know how much I appreciate that. 💖 I will say that even though the story is a rendition of The Little Mermaid, the original Disney film had a clear narrative of a father/daughter relationship. It was about their love for each other but also an inability to effectively communicate which ultimately pushed the daughter away. Fortunately, she found a great guy, so Triton was willing to let her go at the end as it was his only option at that point if he wanted her to be happy. The film warns us of the dangers of parents shutting down or shutting out their kids. I get the feeling this copy/past nonsense film will just demonize the father in an attempt to justify the female protagonist getting everything she wants in the end because she always deserved it. If the narrative is going to change, just make a new The Little Mermaid with its own original characters that fit it.🙄 By the way, does anyone remember Disney EVER dissing their own works before this live-action wave started? Or puffing themselves up over other studios? The Disney I grew up on NEVER told me what to think about their films because they spoke for themselves. They built up on their own foundations and took good things from other places to craft it into their own original works. It's like the people who are heading up this stuff are so busy trying to force their opinions on the world that they forget that creativity and originality are the reason people go to Disney movies to begin with.
Nope that's why i blame the not like other girls mentality and wokenism on why we aren't getting movies with feminine protagonists with love interests that have that classic feel to them and why they're becoming so ugly in regards to animation that's why I'm not excited for the new dreamworks movie Ruby gillman teenage kraken the plot is overused "teen wants to live a normal life but oh no powers" the characters all look ugly and while there's nothing wrong with Ruby herself from what I've seen in the trailer she's just another nerdy tomboy nothing wrong with being any of those two but I'm just so sick/tired of only seeing those kind of female protags give me back feminine girls that love fashion and are nerdy but in a girly way with an all pink gaming room and whatnot so It's not only Disney that has this problem
@@Naruto_fishcake I do agree. At the same time, that DreamWorks movie looks like more of a mockery of current Disney films. I think they intend for it to be humorous through satire. I'm too crushed by Disney to appreciate something like that now, though. I miss the variety of protagonists we used to have, and how they taught good moral and life lessons. I want my variety back 🥺
Ariel is a brave, bold, and daring heroine, who is also beautiful, vulnerable, curious, and talented. Prince Eric is handsome, dashing, charming, down-to-earth, and a dog-lover. Ariel's original intentions were never to find a man, but rather, to explore the outside world, and escape her father's oppression. Turns out they are both fascinated by each other's worlds and are a perfect match. So, yes, this movie has faced too much criticism. Also, the original book by Hans Christan Andersen is a lot darker, than the movie. I'd like to see more discussions, comparing the original versions of fairy tales to the Disney adaptations.
It's frustrating how they're trying to rewrite "Kiss the Girl" so that it feels like Ariel is being given consent. Ummm, what about Eric's consent? he's just trying to be a nice person and support this mute girl by spending his days with her and letting her live in his castle for free. He's clearly not comfortable kissing her because he's just trying to help her and he's still in love with the mystery girl with the beautiful voice. Ariel is not a bad person because she does love him and NEEDS his kiss or she'll not only return to the sea as a miserable mermaid, but also lose her soul to Ursula; so it's life or death! but it doesn't change that she's extremely forward with him and really the one in charge of the situation. So, where's his consent? or he doesn't count because he's a man?
Saying that Ursula's song needed to be changed because it sent a bad message, is like saying Sephiroth's Nibelheim scene needed to be changed because it was sending a message that arson and murder are okay.
Can you ever make a video defending Sleeping Beauty? I always see people going on about how it’s a sexist movie while constantly praising Maleficent I also don’t think Aurora is as bland of a character a people make her out to be. Sure she could’ve been giving more screentime but from what we see of her she does have a personality, we see how shy she is when meeting Phillip and how she talks about her dreams and passions (similar to Ariel) Also she puts her dreams and the life she knew behind to put her duties as a princess and her people first. People say she was only sad because of Phillip but I disagree I think he was only a part of it but just imagine you find out your entire life was a lie it made sense she was upset I always felt like she got too much hate. It annoys me how these people hate on Snow White, Belle, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel etc but then praise characters like Elsa, Anna and Merida
I know what you mean. Classic girls like Aurora have been my role models. But to show rebellious girls who want to pick fights and break rules? I admire them but I wouldn't know how to act that way without disrespecting.
Yeah I agree Sleeping Beauty definitely needs a defense video. One thing I hate about people who criticize this movie but praise "Maleficent" for is the treatment of the 3 Faires Flora, Fawna & Merryweather. These 3 not only have the most screen time in the movie but arguably the most screen time of any parental figure in early Disney. These 3 are the ones that raise Aurora and are the ones to help Philip, these three elderly women. Yet there are no articles praising them at all, how is what they do not female empowerment?! And in the live action movie their treated as a joke but Maleficent is praised for doing their job of looking after Aurora, how is that fair?!
@@patrickmcguire7896 Honestly after ABC's Once Upon a Time, I am leaning against live actions' new versions of villains. Like Cruella is a horrible rendition, and this new series Villains of Valley View follow a villain family trying to hid. They want to be evil but aren't realizing they have been doing good which in turn would make them feel. Like how it happened in Dreamworks Bad Guys, it only worked for one guy, Wolf. The others need better fleshing out. There's a quote I been following when it comes to villains. Talks about Darth Vador (which he's praise too, probably due to the second trilogy) but I apply it to any villain. It's too long so here's the last sentences: "I see a lot of adoration. I get the bad guys are cool, but they are evil. You really don't want to be them." Look up Dave Filoni for a full quote.
I feel like they could have gone way more in-depth with Aurora. It’s been a few weeks since I’ve seen the movie (I have a 4 year old so I’ve seen a lot of Disney movies over the last couple years I hadn’t seen since I was a kid). I don’t really remember them address that fact that she was raised by her “aunts”. Did she grow up thinking everyone is raised by the aunts? Who did they say her parents were? Did they say they found her? Why wasn’t she angrier about the lies? They should have just told her from the beginning. You’re a princess we’re hiding from an evil fairy and don’t touching spinning wheels. Also you have an arranged marriage.
_Sleeping Beauty_ was never my fave, but how could someone trash on that while praising _Maleficent?_ That movie....had a few moments, but over all was pretty bad.
This complete misconception that Disney has about their own film goes WAY back, even to House of Mouse times. In the Jiminy Cricket episode, Jiminy tells Ariel, “Don’t give up your voice just because you have a crush on some guy. It’s just not worth it!” BUT THAT WASN’T THE REASON AT ALL!! Though I love House of Mouse, this just angered me so much.
I feel like Eric gets the criticism that he does because he doesn't have as much screen time as other princes-- Aladdin, Naveen, Eugene-- so he feels like a generic prince for our princess. But I think there's so much to him underneath the surface, that it's easy to miss. For most of the movie, he's so eager to find the beautiful, mysterious, almost mystical girl who saved his life, but after talking to Grimsby, he learns to stop chasing the dream in his head and to pursue the real, living girl who is already within reach. Luckily for him, they ended up being one and the same, but this was a detail I missed for years until a UA-cam reactor pointed it out. It just makes his character and story that much more significant to me. I love your analysis on Ariel and Eric, though! And I truly do love them as a couple-- they're one of my favorites.
It’s not modern audiences. Even women in 1989 saw Ariel as a feminist nightmare. John Musker recalled during a press tour that there were some female reporters who gave him and Ron Clements grief because Ariel married Prince Eric at the end of “The Little Mermaid”. Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to assure the female reporters that Ariel loved all things human, not just Prince Eric, but sadly this didn’t change the mind of female reporters. Jeffrey took Ron and John aside by saying to them during a “Beauty and the Beast” meeting: *”Sheesh!! They put me through the ringer! Guys! Whatever we do, I don’t wanna get tagged like that again! We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen on this one!”* Therefore, the “feminist” changes made for Belle in “Beauty and the Beast” were the result of Jeffrey Katzenberg getting “roughed up” by female reporters during a press tour in Florida, as well as Jeffrey not wanting any critique that would diminish the movie’s box office returns. Source: howardashman.squarespace.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-5
Here's an idea for a movie- Triton sends Ariel in human disguise to be a spy on human kingdom. Ariel fumbles her way as an "expert" on humans (for a mermaid, that is), learns that they are more complicated than she or her father realized and it still ends in a wholesome manner.
@@erikbihari3625 To tell a new story using old concept. It's not a complicated setup at all: -Ariel wants to explore the world above but can't for physical reasons -Triton is weary of people so needs a spy, but literally nobody knows anything about the ground. -Ariel volunteers and convinced Triton to let her go, but sends Sebastian or another amphibious creature alongside as chaperone (new character idea potential here) -Once on the surface, Ariel fumbles around and makes a ton of mistakes, but instead of being sus Eric finds her charming. -The villain could still be Ursula, maybe there's a secondary one in some evil human, who knows. -Ariel learns that humans are neither good or bad but still finds that she want to learn more and she stays on surface as an official Atlantis representative.
0:47 Awwwww unpopular opinion maybe but animated Prince Eric was always my fav Disney prince! He came across so sweet and heroic and had such kind eyes to little me! My other fav Disney guys are Hercules and Tarzan, they’re not so much ‘princes’ per se, but maybe I have a nice guy type 😅 Anyhow, definitely not going to see the live action Little Mermaid. Hard pass.
It's all politics. The people ruining Disney don't care. They don't care if it succeeds or fails, they just want to take a Hallmark American Industry and burn it to the ground. In this case The Mouse House. And they just want to take properties like The Little Mermaid and Snow White and warp them for the sake of doing it. It's modern day book burning. Popular nostalgic game franchises, movies, TV shows are all problematic to their world view and need to be sanitized. And in most cases utterly exterminated. I won't be seeing these. Not because of bigotry. Because I have respect and love for the original works,
I personally think that Ariel’s interest in humans and the surface, is the equivalent of you discovering something outside of your box like Marvel, Anime & Manga, etc. You become interested but you’re parents/guardians don’t allow to explore it because they might be either interested or closed minded about it.
Agree, personally, i think the little mermaid has among the most relevant messages for tpday, considering ursula and how she is basically a shark buisnessman or a scammer, plenty of people nowadays would benefit from learning of ariel's mistakes, to be careful in times of vulneravility, to not take deals when mad, that in love words are unecesary, the people who love you will help you when you mess up, she only got out of it because her father and the prince help her, very common when you fall on a scam, the people that love you support you in order to get back on your legs (ba dum tsss) The only thing i wpuld personally complain about it is how she doesn't get to enjoy that much the over world, just a quick sketch, i would have liked more if the prince and her ingaged together in the exploring and then the romantic song starts, other than that a classic
I remember watching The Little Mermaid a lot on VHS many times as a little kid. It's really sad looking back on the movie, how much effort went into the animation, the production, the voice actors and actresses, to remember its huge impact left on the animation industry and beginning the Disney Renaissance, only to see these new executives and even actors at Disney tearing apart all the hard work the executives, producers, artists, writers, sound-designers, and directors before them had done and thinking THEY can do it better, as if there was something inherently wrong with the 1989 animated film, when in reality they're just misreading it to look for problems that aren't even there. The story was always about Ariel growing independent from her father. She always wanted to go up to the human world long *before* meeting Eric. Its not like she was happy with her life until she saw him and then fell in love with the human world overnight. The deal Ursula makes is signed with Ariel's CONSENT, there's nothing about it that explicitly says Eric has to "force himself onto" her. ARIEL is the one who HAS to get him to kiss her in order to remain a human permanently, albeit through body-language because she sells her voice to the sea witch, because Ursula (unbeknownst to her) set it all up so Ariel could fail from the beginning. I hope years from now the new Disney executives and the actors/actresses that are going out of their way to, intentionally or otherwise, misread Ariel's arc will realize just how disingenuous and foolish they sounded when this pointless reboot came out in 2023, and I hope by then Disney (and by its extent, Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry) will stop all of their fans-hating, virtue-signaling, wannabe-woke (because its not actually "representation" or even "woke" if you simply piggyback off of other people's hard work and popular stories by rebooting them to change characters' personalities and races and genders and sexualities for the sake of "representation" and "feminism", if anything it's actually lazy pandering) BS and start making good content again.
I'm always so frustrated how Disney princesses are reduced to nothing but 'damsels in distress' and pretty dresses by their critics, when they are anything but. Yes, they need saving at one point of their films, but what about everything that happens up until that point or after???? I don't like all of the classic princess movies, but it's clear that their so-called 'critics' haven't seen them at all, or they just remember the biggest plot points and forgot all the character development and finer details. Ugh. Just because a woman is feminine, it doesn't mean that she's weak. Just because she has a love interest doesn't mean that her whole life revolves around a man. Just because she relies on other people to solve a problem she can't solve by herself doesn't mean that she has nothing to offer to others. Sorry about the rant, it's a topic very dear to my heart and these new remakes always manage to rile me up... -.-"
I've said this before but as an adult, I kinda side with Triton more than Ariel. This was my favorite movie when it came out and I was the *perfect* age to lap it all up. I wanted to *be* a Mermaid. What I see with Triton though, is that he is concerned about his daughter and Humans *are* literally dangerous, so he does have some justification for not liking them. However, his "scorched earth" policy with destroying Ariel's property without any sort of consultation and allowing his anger to get the better of him completely undermined any "leg" he had to stand on. Even as many times as I've seen this movie, I had forgotten a few elements you brought up - like how Ursula was the one who hung everything on "getting the prince". I believe, in the original story, there was no time limit. The Prince eventually was engaged to another woman though, so her time limit was set with his wedding kiss. Disney modified this to a 3 day time limit, probably for drama and to move the story along at a faster clip, raising the stakes and of course, twisting it so Ursula was the betrothed instead. I think it was a pretty excellent rework. Eric is a wonderful Disney Prince. He's highly approachable, fun loving, brave, cordial and considerate... everything a woman could ever want. If I was to bring up faults, I think he can be impatient, he has a restless spirit like Ariel does. I also like that her not having a voice makes it so he can't fall for her based on that, and is somehow holding out hope of finding the girl who rescued him (even if she's right in front of him). I recently saw a video ranking Disney Princes' and he was pretty high on the list because of how much personality he has. I would also never use the word "Ditz" to describe Ariel. Naive? Yes. Ditzy? No. Headstrong, head in the clouds, adventurous, curious, kind, lacking experience perhaps. I believe part of her agreement with the witch was because she had an attraction to Eric, sure. If he hadn't been the offering, if it was just "You go on land for 3 days and then you're mine" she would obviously not have signed. By using Eric as bait, she could have a more permanent hold on the surface world - something to keep her there and make it more attractive. So, while he was not the source of her interest in the surface, he was definitely a selling point. Beauty and the Beast eventually usurped the Little Mermaid as my favorite Disney animated movie and it's stood there for most of my life very proudly. I love to read *and* sing so Belle was a perfect fit for me.
Ariel was deeply infatuated with the surface world way before Eric came along. Like any normal 16 year old she saw a dreamy guy and fell in love with him. Eric is also a gentleman and takes good care of her and makes sure that she is OK after essentially washing up on shore, not knowing where she comes from. Ariel and Eric are both good people. Eric saves Max from drowning, and Ariel saves Eric from drowning.
I've seen the original Little Mermaid a few times and I must say that it was awesome that you have put a lot of though and depth into your defense of the movie. Your critique of Ariel and Eric has gladly helped me understand them more then ever before. Also it was important that you had no offense over the original cartoon despite being female. ;-) It is a shame the current Disney and the current media cannot understand what real women want even though they claim to.
We also see this in the part where she's hanging off the side of Eric's ship and overhears his want of something more than just being a prince marrying someone he doesn't love just to please the wants of someone else which probably endears him to her since she is a very similar predicament since she's forced to hide what she loves and who she is because of her father's wants and expects.
Technically, she's not a role model. Just a princess with happy ending. Main characters don't need to be a role model. If she's not stupid, she wont become a human and there wont have an adventure
It'd sad that Ariel gets so much disrespect because of bad faith criticism. Many people talk about how Moana, Elsa and other Princesses in the later films are more "feminists" and "progressive" but Ariel is literally the FIRST Disney Princess who started the trend that the others princesses follow. A trendsetter if you may. She activity chase after her goals and don't give a fuck who says otherwise. That's what I love about her. She taught me to never be held back by nayseayers and persue your happiness. She's ambitious, curious, and a thirst for knowledge. She deserves more respect
@@erikbihari3625 I did and I absolutely loved that video and everything that was said was 100% each of these Princessses, whether they follow the traditional or progressive route, are all important and have a place to be role models they teach us about bringing out the best of ourselves. Not just for young girls, but for everyone. Snow white taught us the importance of empathy and kindness but also shows us the dangers of that if we aren't too careful as it's shown in the film. I swear I wish Disney defend and protect its ethos instead of shaming it.
When they brought up eric having a " A mother, A queen thats new to the film" my first reaction was a eye roll of "Yea no duh" but shes not a important character to the story its about ariel and eric. Then i thought more on it and I am calling it they will make Eric's mother more of a character and overshadow him while being cheerleader for everything ariel does.
Thanks to ExpressVPN for sponsoring today's video. Go to strms.net/expressvpn_mjtannertwins to get your first 3 months free!
Hey this is just a bit of critique. I agree with everything you said but I personally am not a fan of your tone. I'm not sure if you were tired or bored but it seems like you didn't enjoy making this video.
I'm not trying to be rude but it is hard to follow along when you sound so tired or bored. I agree with your points 100% but the way you talk about it seems so odd. When you speak you make your voice slightly higher and then end your sentences with a lower voice. For example "Triton is a caring father and just wants to protect his dAUGHTER" you keep your voice high and suddenly drop levels down to deepen your voice, it's as if you're rushing.
Do you edit your breaths away? It is very hard to listen when there are no natural pauses. Plus that is way too much work anyways :)
Please do not listen to these other two replies talking about your talking. The way you talk and the sound and tone of your voice (and M's) is part of what hooked me on your content. Your review style, insights, comedy, expressive avatars, point of view AND your voice make your content more enjoyable than most other in this space. Keep up the good work. I hope M is okay. Cheers! Oh and congrats on the sponsorship!
How about now it's out the original voice actress has come out to say how all the changes are amazing and how they had to revise it. Funny setting fire to something already loved......🤦
@@scottbattaglia8595 shes only saying this to avoid backlash. I don't blame her.
I just realized that Eric has always been the most casually dressed of the disney princes. The only times he's ever worn anything fancy was during the wedding scenes. Even in his own castle, Eric just wore his modest white shirt.
It's almost like he's both figuratively and literally outgoing! Never noticed it before.
@@Superlad945. Their both opposite and simular? I agree, that paradoxical setup is key to relationships!
@@Superlad945. Ok, I was just commenting on how some of what we think of as absolutes are sometimes black and white. So Many of modern society looks back on the old days thinking it's all problematic and needs finger wagging disapproval rather than research context behind them! Have you seen:-"why snow white is still the strongest princess"?
You forget John Smith. Unless they don't consider him. Also, the one who Mulan is in love with, Chen I think is his name
@@marcusblackwell2372. Yeah!
I've always found it frustrating how much people purposefully misread TLM and how quick Disney has been to appease these individuals. Eric is easily one of the most likable princes so I found the criticism aimed his way so strange.
It's not the only case"Sonic The Hedgehog was never good to begin with", ect.
@@hoohoo431. To each their own I guess!
@@erikbihari3625 "Cmon guys, does Sonic even have a story? It's just running around really fast."
Umm, some asshole mad scientist is going around kidnapping animals to use as CPUs in his robot army. And Sonic is their superhero who rescues them.
@@darwinxavier3516. You know exactly what I meant by that!
Eric is a male and therefore must be portrayed as evil, extremely flawed and....evil. ;-)
That's why animated films like The Little Mermaid are called classics; and yet modern Disney can't see that... 😔
Ever since walt's death they survived solely through pandering and band wagon jumping like leeches!
@@erikbihari3625 can you give some examples of this? I mean, examples starting from 1967 (after Walt died) going thru, idk, 2010?
Starting 2016 Disney's bs is obvious, but...???
@@erikbihari3625 eeehhh If the Renaissance has confirmed anything its that it was a little bit After Walts death, but yeah while walt would be touched to see his company be as big as it is today, he would also be heartbroken to see HOW his company is using such status
@@WxIxLxLxIxAxMxS. Pocahontas! If You look back on, it very mutch intended to be Oscar brait! Not to mention gargoyles to complete with Batman the animated series, and others I don't go into now. Heck, Aladdin started the trend of selling movies on celebrities!
@@joshuabautch8936. That's what I said!
It's really disappointing and painful to see how far Disney have fallen to the point that they are destroying their own work and just flat out hating it's past.
A:"we still have the originals! B:"think of them more as adaptations, Disney is notorious for not being faithful with those. C:"hating the past"part is true, though!
@@erikbihari3625 True the original does still exist and when the live action comes and goes it will fade away while the animated one will still be talked about and sold better than it's poor adaptations.
@@ZanyCartoons. Glad we agree!
This movie is best macterpeace Disney ever made! It was perfect ! I just wish there would be one erased theme where Triton is apologizing to her to be mean!
@@AlexandraRammstein And wasn't The little Mermaid the movie that save Disney's animations in the 90's?
I hate when idiots don't understand the concept of a bad guy.
Right? It reminds me how on streaming services of “Shrek 2” they took out the “gender confused” line because it was seen as offensive even though it was a villain saying that line
Like we aren’t supposed to root for.
@@cheshirerose2001 I know. They're just incapable of understanding that just because a film says something that doesn't mean it supports that thing.
@@jeremyusreevu237 Right? I swear people are just way too senisitve nowadays
@@cheshirerose2001 They changed a lyric in Ursula’s villain song!! The whole point of a VILLAIN is they are OPPOSING THE HERO!! KIDS KNOW WHEN TO NOT ROOT FOR SOMEONE
It’s sanitizing and it leaves everything neutral and boring. Like heroes can tell us what to aspire to, villains can show us what not to do. Anyone with any kind of moral compass, yes even children, can tell what is right and what is wrong.
Lindsay Ellis called the disingenuous discourse around Ariel as "lazy pop feminism". Growing up, I related to Ariel so much but I couldn't put my finger on exactly why. Then I realized it's because she's basically a giant geek/weeb, even to the point of being an isekai protagonist. She doesn't fit in with her society, she's massively into an unpopular hobby, she has a collection of toys/trinkets, she's utterly infatuated with a fantastical different world. She shares with many geeks the experience of an old fuddyduddy parent telling her she needs to abandon her childish things because she needs to grow up, unfortunately for her includes said parent storming into her room and trashing her stuff. Her reason for accepting Ursula's bargain wasn't because of some man, that was just icing on the cake. She just had a traumatic experience and was willing to run away from it.
Eric was the most fleshed out prince in Disney without having any tragic backstory. The movie made sure to show that he was a great guy by how much he got along with people lower in station and risking his own life to save a dog. I will admit most Disney romances are shallow husks with only the plot to justify why they're in love. But Eric and Ariel's chemistry felt more real, like they actually liked being together and doing stuff other than kiss. We get to see the two of them on actual dates rather than instantly falling in love.
I Agree and Love ur Comment. 😊
Wow, considering what Ms. Ellis has become, has she scrubbed that take from history.
True except one thing. Ariel _does_ fit in with her own society.
At the very beginning Sebastian was hosting a concert starring *her!* ...she just forgot and was late lol but she's not an outcast. She may _feel_ out of place because her obsession with the surface world goes against her father's anti human laws, but nobody actively avoids Ariel or bullies on her.
And like you said, if her dad hadn't destroyed her stuff, she wouldn't have left home. She wasn't waiting for an opportunity to leave, it took a traumatic event for her to consider it.
Not trying to start an argument; just pointing that out.
Ariel is interesting because she’s a fantastical creature who thinks OUR world is fantastical.
Which the left of course hates as you can’t say anything good about western civilization. Especially not western civilization between 1492 and 1836. The left HATES that era.
I think the Beast fits here too
What struck me upon watching The Little Mermaid as an adult, is that at it's core, is a story about the love of a Father for his daughter.
Triton is overbearing, strict and unreasonable... like any Father in the mind of a rebellious teenager. But in the end he is willing to sacrifice himself for his daughter and ultimately learns to let go as a parent.
Who wants to bet that these new producers have some serious daddy issues.
I wouldn't even agree with that interpretation. Triton's a single dad, with big responsibilities, and doing the best he can. He clearly loves his children and cares greatly for them. He is strict, but it's clearly not purely out of a desire for control. We see him confide with Sebastian, and express his worries. Ariel's rebellion is proving itself to be too much for him to handle alone, he needs to protect her from herself, and just can't manage it. When he's pushed to lash out, he is immediately remorseful. When she leaves, he is immediately distrought. He wants to find her not to punish her, but because he worries.
Hes, he stands as an antagonist, standing in between Ariel and the human world she lusts for. But the movie never actually invalidates his good intentions. We never actually see humans and merfolk interact until the finale, where the humans are still basically shell-shocked from Ursula's reveal. Triton repeatedly stated that humans were dangerous, and never did the movie contradict him. If anything, it actually validates his claims, with the cook vs. Sebastian scene, where we see how humans prey on all sorts of sea creatures merfolk otherwise consider friends. If you want to go "expanded universe", in one of the sequels, we are shown humans throwing harpoons at Triton's family, and crushing Ariel's mom with their ship against a rock. With this in mind, "stay away from humans" is pretty frigging reasonable. That's like "don't play on the rail tracks", "don't approach bears", or "don't run in parking lots". Is he a bit harsh? Yes, but that's often necessary. Kids don't always listen to safety rules, but the risks of not listening are literally death. Kind of warrants increased intensity.
Sure, he gets an arc and at the end he goes "maybe not all humans are bad", but by then, Ariel also grew and clearly saw all the harm that disregarding the rules can bring. And, he had gotten confirmation that these particular humans weren't bad, with Eric saving them all from Ursula, so it's not as if he's suddenly trusting of any random human. That openness was justified. Reasonnable.
He's not overbearing either, just look at all the time she has left to her own devices. He'd been pretty lenient and trusting.
TL;DR: Triton was always a good dad, doing the best he could under the circumstances.
@@bobseven310
I should have clairfied that from Ariels perspective he seems unreasonable or overbearing. Y'know classic Father/rebellious teen daughter dynamic.
Our interpretation is the same. I just didn't articulate it clearly or in as many words. 😂
@@1SpicyMeataball Ah, yea, agreed then.
They became that way because they didn’t have a father figure smack them across the head for being stupid
I agree, while the movie does focus a lot on Ariel and Eric, the real driving tension in the movie is between father and daughter. Triton is the character who must undergo a change arc and realize that violently suppressing Ariel's passions (while done out of love and concern for her) only serves to drive her to desperation, and he must also overcome his prejudice against humans. Having it be ultimately be his choice to make Ariel permanently human was a genius way to end his arc.
I don’t get why people think that Ariel is a bad role model. She’s adventurous, smart and kind. Yes, she’s selfish but what teenagers isn’t plus she shows genuine regret when she missed the concert, she lost track of time.
“But she made a deal with Ursula!” Ursula, like every villain, preys on the protagonist during their lowest moments like when her father destroyed HER stuff.
While she was human she didn’t really tried flirting with Eric she was just enjoying herself like dancing, driving a carriage for the first time, and being a person.
Her feelings for Eric was basically a crush
She got two of her wishes for the price of one! And triton has an arc.
Why are people afraid of a girl wanting to get married?
What else should she be concerned about from a natural sense of things? Getting a degree so she can be fulfilled working for a corporation? 3rd. wave feminism is teaching young women to value things that aren't that valuable to them.
People who hate on Ariel either haven't seen the movie in such a long time they dont actually remember it or they've got some cultural/political axe to grind. Ariel is adorable and full of life.
@@Acesahn seriously she’s adorable 🥰!
@@matthewmosier8439 I do agree that there is nothing wrong with a woman being a hot heterosexual, getting married to a loving man and get children. It's stupid and hateful to claim such a wish is bad for women somehow. But I don't mind if a woman was a head of some business, though just as long as she has the wisdom and experience to do such a thing.
The Little Mermaid is not a bad movie, since she wanted to be a human to explore the human world as Eric was just a secondary prize, while Eric takes the time to help her and kiss the girl was about Ariel giving Eric permission with her eyes as Sebastian was trying to get Eric to kiss her. Yet somehow they look at these nuanced aspects, only to see I'm gonna get me a man and force yourself on a woman. It genuinely shows how quick people are to see innocent and nuanced topics as problematic for clout.
Or like in many others, just stupidity. Walt's first five movie(snow white,pinocchio,dumbo,Bambi,fantasia) are layered and subtle, that's why sledge hammer zootopia exist!
"Secondary Prize"? Holy shit, I feel bad for the "prize" you end up with lol
@@casperryborg4869. Why?
@@casperryborg4869 how so? I'm not dismissing Ariel's love for Eric, however her goal was not strictly to marry him, but to explore the human world as Eric just happens to be part of that world.
👏👏👏👏 spot on
Love that Ariel saved Eric's life not once, but TWICE, yet modern Disney still slanders her as just a boy-obsessed immature girl. 😂
And Eric saved Ariel’s life twice!
Fr, she might've been a little naive but she's a teenage girl
"Ursula was Right" I hated this bc As you pointed out, Ursula took advantage of a vulnerable teenager and gave her a deal with impossible conditions and sabotaged her. IOW set her up to fail. Anyone who says Ursula was right basically agrees with this toxic practice.
I've heard that one before.
Its the same type who'd say "Griffith did nothing wrong."
@@Acesahn Wait, people say that unironically?!
@@lmahu6627 apparently so, it’s sick
@@Acesahn Who’s Griffith and what did he do?
Wait -- so people have been saying that "kiss the Girl" is Eric forcing himself on Ariel, but he's also constantly like "Nah, I don't want to kiss this person who seems to want to kiss me, purely because she can't talk and I don't want to take advantage of her."? You can't have both!
Eric and Ariel have one of the best relationships in Disney because they actually take time to get to know each other and their both well rounded characters. I’m so sick of people bad mouthing them!
What about Aladdin and jasmine or Belle and beast?
@@erikbihari3625 Yeah there good too, wasn’t saying Eric & Ariel were the only ones
@@erikbihari3625 don't forget Herc and Meg!
@@patrickmcguire7896. I know, just pointed it out!
@@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132. Right, thanks!
I found myself facepalming when they said they were changing “Kiss the Girl” for consent reasons. Eric doesn’t force himself onto Ariel. Every time she leaned forward to kiss him, he backed away, establishing that he was a chivalrous gentleman who wouldn’t force himself on a mute girl, even though we all knew he was attracted to her.
As for Ursula’s song, she’s the bad guy! We’re not supposed to follow her advice. She purposely gave Ariel bad advice, so Ariel would end up in her clutches. The movie makers are being deliberately obtuse and it’s hair-tearingly frustrating.
One thing about Kiss the Girl that I think gets glanced over is that Ariel isn’t actually all that concerned with Eric kissing her at that point, she’s still taking in all the wonders of humanity: Sebastian, Flounder, and Scuttle are the ones trying to get the kiss to happen, cause that’s pretty much been the one thing hanging over Ariel’s head the moment she signed the scroll, and none of them want to see Ariel get collected by Ursula.
How could anyone be confused by that? She literally leans in and puckers her lips and closes her eyes for him... I swear its just cultural warriors who read the title of the song and made up their minds what it was about.
Also, it’s odd how they wanna focus on Ariel giving consent, when it’s Eric the one that isn’t okay with the kiss, and he’s the one being pushed and persuaded into doing that
@@Acesahn What confuses me is that Alan Menken should know the plot that's happening during Kiss the Girl, he shouldn't have listened to the nonsense being spouted by this generation. The song didn't need to be changed. The whole basis of the song was to get Eric to break Ariel's curse before her time ran out.
So how did this generation see a different plot? I will never understand their mindset of wanting to fix something that doesn't need fixing.
@@PinayGrl926 Activists looking for political points to win don't see reality how we do, they never did! Feminists back in the day actually hated Ariel even back in the 90s I was reminded of.
@@Acesahn I knew people were disappointed with Ariel, but I didn't know that she was hated
It’s incredible that you have these animated films that are heralded as classics for years/decades, but then the second someone does a live action remake, suddenly people come out of the bushes and say that classic is actually super problematic and needs to be corrected.
I can bet that Alan Menken is making those lyric changes because Disney is forcing him, rather than him wanting to do it on his own volition.
Once something becomes popular there's usually counter culture movement("Sonic The Hedgehog was never good from the start"), let it go?
The original Little Mermad was heavily criticized upon release actually, which prompted Disney to make Belle in Beauty in the Beast a bit more independent in her character. The issue is that nostalgia masks those original criticisms so people have an idealize version of these movies that they remember.
Definitely.
Especially since it was with the late Howard Ashman.
Such disrespect on Disney's part.
@@1SpicyMeataball I think from what I’ve heard of Howard, he would be absolutely pissed at hearing two of his songs being changed.
I miss the days where creators of animated movies could were more able to protect their work from the rash authority of the studio's. When Disney test screened the original Little Mermaid to a group of children, then Disney head Jeffery Katzenberg noticed that a boy was cleaning up spilled popcorn from the floor during "The Part of Your World" song. He misjudged this as being the boy wasn't interested in the song and thus he wanted to cut it out. But Glen Keane (Ariel's key animator) and I think Howard Ashman argued to Katzenberg to keep the song in, as the song serves its part to tell the film's story and about Ariel's desire to explore the human world, meet the humans and be her free self, ect.
They hate on the 1989 classic as "problematic" not just because they have their heads too far up their butts to really see it, but because it helps to justify this mindset that the live-action remakes are somehow more "adult" or "grown up" by virtue of being live-action.
I think they genuinely hate love, marriage and procreation/children.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at all if Haille Bailey herself is only going along with what Disney is saying due to marketing purposes.😞
@@andreasmeelie1889 Halle Bailey stated that Ariel “didn’t live up to modern women” responding to The Voice. Ironically she said that Ariel was her best friend, but if she was, she wouldn’t have changed her character AT ALL. She’s adding in the feminism propaganda just to appeal the Twitter audience
Ironically, the animated film was always problematic, since its theatrical release in 1989.
John Musker recalled during a press tour that there were some female reporters who gave him and Ron Clements grief because Ariel married Prince Eric at the end of “The Little Mermaid”.
Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to assure the female reporters that Ariel loved all things human, not just Prince Eric, but sadly this didn’t change the mind of female reporters.
Jeffrey took Ron and John aside by saying to them during a “Beauty and the Beast” meeting:
*”Sheesh!! They put me through the ringer! Guys! Whatever we do, I don’t wanna get tagged like that again! We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen on this one!”*
Therefore, the “feminist” changes made for Belle in “Beauty and the Beast” were the result of Jeffrey Katzenberg getting “roughed up” by female reporters during a press tour in Florida, as well as Jeffrey not wanting any critique that would diminish the movie’s box office returns.
Source: howardashman.squarespace.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-5
@@andreasmeelie1889 she is evil
It annoys me people assume Eric is the only reason Ariel got legs nah he was a bonus
Exactly
Yes and no. Sure, she was obsessed with the human world before meeting him, but she's also totally infatuated by him the moment she gazes upon him. She is then motivated to make a deal with Ursula to be with him, specifically. And the plot centers around their romance from basically start to finish. And, I mean, technically, her having legs was always kind of reliant on him. She got legs so that she could have a chance with him. Then her keeping the legs was dependant on him kissing her. Then her getting legs again could only happen because he killed Ursula.
@@dustymcwari4468 bold of you to assume I didn't. Just because she emphasized every non-Eric point, doesn't mean I agree that Eric isn't the center point of her aspirations for the quasi totality of the movie.
Not saying I think that needed to be "fixed" either though.
@@bobseven310 oh okay, I just misundestood
@@dustymcwari4468 They key to Ariel's characterization is that she is /not/ depicted as being flawless. I do agree with the critics that she is overly motivated by her inner horny. But I disagree with them that this needs to be changed, because this is very clearly depicted as a flaw that is then exploited by the villain and leads to terrible things.
Flawed protagonists that make mistakes are things we no longer have enough of. And even though she does end up having all she set out for, she still had an arc and character growth. She didn't lose anything permanently, but she still was remorseful of all the harm she caused.
When my kids watch the movie, they pick up on this, so that's good enough for me.
"The ocean is filled with human artifacts." YES, THANK YOU! I've been waiting for at least someone to tell this since shipwrecks are sometimes common within oceans and it can make fictional species like mermaids curious about the land above.
Also, I've keep seeing that "only" Ariel is selfish but Ursula was also selfish where she wanted her voice for her own gain without considering what happens to Ariel herself and King Triton is 50/50 since he is considerate with Ariel and her wellbeing but isn't considerate towards humans due to what happened to his wife. I can argue that both Ariel and Eric are a bit reckless or impulsive since they're both infatuated with each other's worlds and were warned about the other world but decided to just do it despite the dangers.
It's basically like Romeo and Juliet, where instead of active parenting where they talk things through and encourage their sense of exploration while teaching caution, they vaguely tell no, stifle them from any legitemate exploration and call it a day!
Yeah because Ursula is literally the villain. Of course she's selfish. No ones gonna bring up the obvious. The other points are good tho.
There’s quite a number of people online who defend Úrsula, so apparently the fact that she’s an obviously selfish villain from the start isn’t so obvious to them 😅@@PickyVickyVindictive
@@fcv4616 Girl where? That just sounds made up ngl
@@PickyVickyVindictive Usually in channels like Wicked Binge when they talk about The Little Mermaid, and from comments throughout the internet relevant to the topic. Most of them are users saying that Ursula was "honest" because she told Ariel everything she was going to do in the contract, and then blame Ariel for trusting her.... even though Ursula is clearly in the wrong for manipulating a teenager and dozens of other merfolk for her own benefit, not to mention that she cheats in the deal too.
And a lot of people forget "The Little Mermaid" tv series. In the series, she is saving lives stopping evil. Also, Ariel and Eric actually have interactions, just not straight interactions that Eric has very vague memories of Ariel.
@Beethoven’s Fidelio the neither should "The Aladdin" TV series, but people still use it for Aladdin backstory videos. The same with"The Lion King" tv series like lion guard. If they are all seen as canon, then so should "The Little Mermaid" be seen as canon. In some videos, they do mention and use its history. But too many just don't want to accept they she was more than some fish girl leaving the sea for a guy.
In fairness, I'm not sure how readily accessible those old TV series are. I grew up with them too, but maybe someone born in the generation after us might not think to look for them. Disney doesn't really go out of their way to make them known, either.
The Little Mermaid literally has a subtext of the exploitation of rebellious teenagers from strict parents and human trafficking. It's not about which side is right or wrong. It's about creating the compromise area in family. That's why Triton allows Ariel to be a human in the end.
Yeah, Ariel might be the main protagonist who's actions push plot, but triton has an arc!
@@erikbihari3625 I'm so worried they'll butcher his arc in the remake. It's one of the most important parts of the film, along with his relationship with his daughter. Are they even keeping his hatred of humans, or is that too "problematic" or something?
@@erikbihari3625 I swear, if they kill off Triton by sacrifice himself for Ariel and Ariel takes the throne instead of become a human in the end. That will be a propaganda level of writing.
@@Guy21072536. Not like it's outside of Disney's current wheelhouse. Seen the latest version of mulan? Disney from the looks of it really wants to spit on walt's grave!
@@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132. So fare we can't be sure, but what's absolutely sure is the actress is set up to fail, but she sees it as empowering and aspirational for black folks, wich in some ways even worse! Have you seen Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur? Lawrence Fishburne said he wanted something her daughters could relate to and what I'm guessing is the season finale ends with lunella lafayette(main character's name) defeating white couple named(I'm not kidding) the muzzlers from gentrifying New york's lower east side and have a machine that literally silences the non whites!
I don't know why Disney always misunderstood their own work. Many of their characters are strong in their own way. They don't have to fix that.
Wendy and Lily never surrend. They don't have to fight or do anything action to show how strong are they
And the male and female can actually protect each other like Ariel and Eric. We don't need to make the female be so strong and the male can't help most of the time and said bad jokes. It just the Snow white period but gender swap. Doesn't help the situation
Why Disney just can't figure this out
Because they keep hiring people who never GOT their work.
There will be fudd:-"why snow white is still the strongest princess", would like to disagree with you on that last part!
I like how you pointed out Wendy and Lily (short for Tiger Lily?). Though I do wonder for the live action though.
I wouldn't call it misunderstanding their work, they want to "update" their work to appease "modern audiences" because the originals are "problematic"
@@minniemin1324. Indeed!
Modern disney and the mainstream clickbait trash media are full of karens who want to rewrite all history and culture in their image.
At this point, it is migraine inducing.
I think it absolutely was the fault of 2010’s quirky media news like cracked (who made a particularly scathing video on TLM), buzzfeed and screenrant.
For some reason I read that as "full of krakens". Upon further reflection, I'm not sure there's much of a difference.
Disney is wrong about many things these days. Actually, this goes for Hollywood in general. Politicians, and yes, these people who are now in charge of modern writing, think that they need to “fix” the old characters and stories so that they fit with the “modern times”. But this just means stripping them away from everything that made them unique in the first place, and what is then left is just a hollow husk.
Here’s what I want to know: How is the remake gonna get past the plot hole about Ariel being able to read and write? She wrote her name on the contract. I always wondered why Ariel never just wrote Eric a note saying she was the one who saved him. Hell, just write it out in the sand after he found you.
I think that because the only clue Eric had to recognize his savior was the voice, it may be another Glass Slipper case, where tons of women can come and say they rescued him from the shipwreck as many times and however they want, but only the girl that owns that very particular voice is the one and only woman he’s truly after, Ariel looked like the one he’s looking for, but the fact she lacked that one key element, it made her just a lookalike to Eric’s eyes
And since Ursula has been watching Ariel, she probably knew about that, which would further explain why she wanted her voice, not just to charm Eric, but also to screw Ariel right from the very start in more ways than one
Maybe she'll use a hand or finger print as the signature. Or like, a drop of blood. (Actually I dunno if that'd work underwater lol)
Ok, fair enough.
It's probably mermaid language that only you can read as the viewer.
Use your imagination!!!
@@JishinimaTidehoshi and honestly all she wrote is her name, most names translate pretty exactly
*Disney was such a big part of my life growing up , they're movies had everything , they were so fun , colourful and charming . They were a big source of inspiration for me to draw and write and seeing them misunderstanding and disrespecting their own movies like this hurts my inner child*
Agreed
I consider old disney and new disney 2 seperate thing cause what this company is now this is not disney
@@itzfroggi22. 100%!
@@jskywalker58. Ever since walt's death Disney has been not the same, they went from trend setters to leaches and imitators!
Real
The idea that a musical number literally about trying to CONVINCE a guy to kiss someone how desires it is actually" *him* assaulting her" is to abuser for me to take seriously
This is the kind of intellect we're contending with.
From what I'm getting is that Disney is ashamed of the movies that people loved back in the day and want to "correct" them with these crappy live action remakes. To the people who are making these criticisms of the older movies. *WATCH THE MOVIES AND SHUT YOUR MOUTHS*
I have a much more cynical take: Disney is not ashamed, they just want to cash in on nostalgia. And therefore, any and every excuse to "justify" the existence of the new product is good enough.
Ever since they started pumping out worse and worse remakes I've been increasingly appreciating the originals.
Aren't we all?
I love the fact that Ariel was the first Disney Princess to not be a completely passive character. Yeah she was more so near the climax, but it was her who drove the plot forward by deciding to discover the human world, deciding to rescue Prince Eric, and deciding to trade her voice for legs. Yeah not all her decisions were perfect, but is a determined ambitious and free spirited character who pursues her dreams even when told not to by those around her a bad role model? The ‘she gave her voice up for a man’ argument has been debunked to death thank god, but regardless a quick rebuttal can be summed up by “It’s part of THAT world, not part of YOUR world”.
For clarification: Yes, the official song title is “part of your world”, but she exclusively sings “part of that world” in her actual song, and only sings “part of your world” in the reprise.
Thinking back to the Disney live action attempts I honestly think that the only one aside from Cinderella that really does well and, honestly, does BEAUTIFULLY is Enchanted... that was an absolutely brilliant new take, if you ask me. Nothing else they've done has been like that at all - it's been a weird push for nonsensical "realistic" animation that totally misses the point of the liveliness, expressiveness and LIFE that classic animation can give to stories ;D These people just never seem to know what they're doing these days. Our girl J here could lead them to success and victory and she's just a (brilliant) woman on UA-cam, not someone working in the wings at Disney itself. Clowns.
Alice in Wonderland live action was unique, but it doesn’t follow the story quite well. I only like the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire Cat. The Queen of Hearts was amazing though
Ariel was a teen who found something amazing that her dad and a lot of other adults didn't like. It was like when kids found rock and roll or mini skirts.
Also, she was a hoarder.
I'd hardly call collecting artifacts from a mysterious foreign civilization hoarding. She's an archaeologist and a museum founder/manager.
More accurate remake of The Little Mermaid: "Ariel! Where'd you get all these Funko Pops? Did you go to that big patch in the Pacific again?"
@@TamarMebonia More like a grave-robbing archeologist on par with Indiana Jones. 😂
@@TamarMebonia well yeah hoader implies ownership
The Little Mermaid has always been my favorite Disney Princess film and one of my favorite films of all time. And I always hate the criticism with it. Yeah some of it is me being blind by nostalgia but I can listen to criticism of things I like. I just agree if it's good and still like it anyway. So many don't understand Disney's the Little Mermaid and they miss the fact how great the film was. It was the start of the Disney renaissance era. She as a princess and a film were groundbreaking and the fact people ignore that and want to change it always gets my goat. The only mistake I've found in this film is I have no clue who's bright idea it was to put Ariel in pink. She clearly looks better in blue. Either way awesome video. I love the points you brought up.
I find her awfully cute in pink but hey it’s your opinion.🥰
@@andreasmeelie1889 with all honesty she doesn't look awful in pink. It was just my mortal enemy when I was a kid. Cause all the Barbie films were pink I wanted my Disney Princess to be any color but pink. Plus blue was my favorite color
@@Merisu_Sheep This came out in late 80s, pink was the color that girls wear on special occasions in the 80s, the clothing designs in this is a mix between the 80s clothing styles and some 19th century styles, so her dress is pink to show that the scene when she's wearing it is a special occasion.
She's probably the only redhead that looks lovely in pink lol
@@clairelin0216 Yeah I know that. And she doesn't look bad in it. I was just so tired of seeing pink back then. Barbie movies
Yes, these "fixes" that are implemented in the 2023 version just remind me of these bad faith criticism made in like 2013 by clickbait sites that couldn't be bothered at all or these bad UA-cam musicals that all said the same garbage about the princesses on such a surface level.
It's nice that they want to flesh out Eric a little more, but with how it's already described in the interviews, it again seems like we have people doing these remakes that couldn't be bothered to even understand how the original characters were written to begin with.
And yeah, that new song, like in all the other remakes, is just in there to get it picked up in the Oscars for original song.
I'm also just not a fan of Melissa's casting because it's pretty known that Ursula was made after a drag queen in an overdramatic theater carrier, so it's pretty sad that they didn't cast one that can sing amazingly, but I'm also not surprised...
It's still Disney after all…
I'm just so sad about all the racism the poor actress already has to deal with and as much as I like her singing voice, even in the first teaser trailer I could already hear how they are screwing up the songs from the original, and I'm already so over that after all these remakes with bad music covers.
And don't even get me started on the ugly dull colors chosen for this movie or the live action animal designs...
I agree. I wish Halle Bailey could get a better role than this, because it seems like they are using her as a shield for something they are royally screwing up.
Funny thing is, when this movie was first released, Ariel was actually praised for being a much more active protagonist compared to the earlier princesses. She knew what she wanted, and wasn’t going to take no for an answer. Were all of her choices smart or safe. No. But they are realistic for the teenager she portrayed to be. I think people forget that not every character needs to be a perfect role model. They can make mistakes and be impulsive. For me, it’s more important for a characters actions to be believable and understandable rather than making them 100% right about everything all the time.
*khem khem*like new Pinochio?*khem khem*
@@ritaerror7829 Exactly. By having Pinnocio always knowing and wanting to do the right thing all the time, the remake completely missed the point of the whole story. Same with the Mulan remake. Instead of showing flawed characters learn and become better, these movies tell people to just be born perfect and never really try.
It sure feels like modern Disney as well as Hollywood in general doesn't believe in symbolism or nuance anymore. When they say they're gonna include themes that were already in the original, it probably means they're gonna spoonfeed all the themes and lessons to the audience instead of letting them find out for themselves.
And they say these are for the mature audiences smh...
You know the saying "The Left Can't Meme...?" If you look at these "Memes" the leftwing people put on the internet you will find LITERALLY no difference between the Left's Memes and Political Propaganda from the 50s or North Korea today... Because there IS no difference... Because that is LITERALLY what the "Memes" are... Propaganda...
Well... Those people making propaganda on the internet... Are who are running Hollywood... They're not being blind to nuance... They LITERALLY do not care... And are BLATANTLY lying ignorance to cover themselves... That's unfortunately the problem we're facing here...
That's the exact impression I'm getting. Disney spoonfeeding modern morals and standards to its audience, because God forbid it give them the 'wrong' ideas instead.
OFC 2023 disney is wrong & haven't seen shiz in forever
It's really sad modern Disney employees, and some fans just don't "get" classic Disney films, and just look at them through a Twitter viewpoint, and feel they have to "correct" them, not realizing they already were more progressive, feminist, and such then they realize, but not in a modern fanatical way.
You did a good job analyzing the movie, Arial's character, Eric's, and the overall plot. There's alot of details, people miss.
Indeed, but that's just modern society for ya. Trying to deconstruct or outright tear down the pillars that make up our society, without thinking about why they got there in the first place!
It’s not Twitter’s fault.
It’s Disney’s own fault for giving into the feminist backlash in 1989.
John Musker recalled during a press tour that there were some female reporters who gave him and Ron Clements grief because Ariel married Prince Eric at the end of “The Little Mermaid”.
Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to assure the female reporters that Ariel loved all things human, not just Prince Eric, but sadly this didn’t change the mind of female reporters.
Jeffrey took Ron and John aside by saying to them during a “Beauty and the Beast” meeting:
*”Sheesh!! They put me through the ringer! Guys! Whatever we do, I don’t wanna get tagged like that again! We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen on this one!”*
Therefore, the “feminist” changes made for Belle in “Beauty and the Beast” were the result of Jeffrey Katzenberg getting “roughed up” by female reporters during a press tour in Florida, as well as Jeffrey not wanting any critique that would diminish the movie’s box office returns.
Source: howardashman.squarespace.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-5
Twitter is smug, vapid, strawman, and has delusions of intellectualism. Never take it seriously.
I am going to be honest. I WAS the target demographic when the original came out, I did want to see it because of the previews which had "Under the Sea" being performed. Needless to say I had mixed feelings about and keep in mind I was 7. I really didn't like Ariel for the soul purpose that she 'didn't obey her father'. I was at that age where you ALWAYS listened to your parents. Needless to say I didn't blame her for falling for Eric. Even as a kid I loved the "Love at first sight" trope and I still enjoy it since I see nothing wrong with it. I did love the songs, Ursula, and Eric the most and Ursula still has my fav "villain defeated" scene. Yeah that battle against her in theaters was EPIC. As an adult, I still put blame on both Ariel and Triton since I can understand both of their positions now. TLM will never be a fav of mine, but I'd rather have that than this souless remake that's happening since I know the original is very beloved by a lot of people.
I really enjoyed this video. You brought things up I didn't think about.
The good news is, there's going to be a new graphic Novel of the Little Mermaid with Ariel from the Original animated movie. The Graphic novel is call *Ariel and Curse of the Sea Witches* It place after the 1st movie and possibly before the direct sequel(The Sequel is still canon, right?). It about Ariel and Eric goes to Arctic to see the construction of a new port. The construction is endangering the coral reefs below-and the merfolk.
The Premise of the book gives me Ferngully Vibes because it sound like topic about the environment Which is not a bad idea, if it handle and written in good care. But It does ties with the idea of Merfolks being Legends to humans, and the relations between Humans and Merfolks. The Sea-Witches, I don't know who they are. They can either original villains or hav something to do with the fallout of Ursula, even though Ursula had a Sister Morgana in the direct sequel who targeted Ariel and Eric's daughter, Melody.
Disney always considered DTV sequels to be non-canon side projects.
And Triton’s hatred for humans is due to pirates killing Ariel’s mom.
That doesn't come up until the prequel!
That's a retcon. Not in the original movie.
Even if it wasn’t for them Triton’s hatred is justified. They throw their trash in the ocean, overfish, kidnap wild animals to put in their zoos, and brought whales almost to extinction. I’d hate them too. 😔
@@adamlambboy8332. Your a nature activist who's projecting?
@@erikbihari3625 no? I’m just saying why he’d hate humans if we didn’t have the prequel.
He literally calls humans “fish eaters” so logically that would mean he doesn’t like humans fishing, let alone overfishing. 💁🏼
In the Little Mermaid show humans hunted whales and it left a killer whale pup without his family which makes Triton angry. A circus owner also kidnaps Sebastian and Flounder in an episode (if I remember correctly they were after the whale). A mad scientist tries to experiment on Sebastian. It’s not a projection, it’s just logical his hatred for humans is justified.
THANK YOU!!! I'm so sick of people criticizing Ariel (and the movie itself) for things that were part of Ursula's manipulation. Ariel loves the human would, if it was a choice between staying a mermaid and be miserable or be human, even without the romance aspect, she'd pick being human because of how much she loves the human world. Honestly people think it's problematic that Ariel loses her voice for a good chuck of the movie, but that's when she's the most expressive, we get to see her utter joy and fascination with the human world only through her expressions and it works because they're really big and well animated. I think these people tend to forget that the best movies show and don't tell, that you need to read between the lines and actually look at the things being shown to you outside of the dialogue.
It's disappointing that channels like this have to *explain* tings like this to Disney instead of not understanding the value of thier own content and actively pandering to the people giving them unfair criticism :C
Ty for the Ursla read. A lot of people try to rationalize Ursla's actions by saying she's just a good businesswoman and Ariel got outsmarted not considering that spying on a minor to manipulate them into signing a sketchy contract all to have leverage over them yes Ariel signed it but she was close to fulfilling the contract meanwhile Ursla was actively sabotaging her client casting a spell getting a man to marry her without his consent yk all villainous things. Ursula is my second fav Disney villain (behind Scar) but I'm so tired of people trying to make her seem misunderstood when her intentions were clear as day.
I think a lot of people really just want movies to explain everything to them instead of sitting and thinking about it
THANK YOU!! This movie released when I was six, and I loved Ariel. Not as a role model or for her rebellion, but for her free-spirited curiosity, passion and selfless courage. Yes, giving in to Ursula was wrong and a bit selfish at first - BUT!! - in the end both she and Eric saved one another as well as their worlds. And as you said, Ursula had deceived her. That's no different from Satan and things and agendas of this world deceiving us. And the wicked will always get their just desserts in the end. Ariel definitely doesn't deserve all the disdain and hate she gets. And the happy ending with her and Eric was well-deserved.
May I recommend:-"why snow white is still the strongest princess"? A really good video shedding light on more misconceptions about Disney movies!
@@erikbihari3625 And we mustn't forget Cinderella! Here's a handful of good ones defending her which I highly recommend
ua-cam.com/video/ijSrKsghjXc/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/huLSdm6IH0g/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/-25AX7J_Q2Q/v-deo.html
She definitely reviewed Ursula's motives well. So, wondering if this movie will give her a backstory similar to Maleficent or worse Cruella?
@@jillevers1432 Given the forced and overall disgusting woke path today's media is taking, it wouldn't surprise me if they go that route
@@jillevers1432 she did have a backstory on the prequel, but likely, they’re gonna do the backstory they gave Maleficent: she fell for a man who later betrays her and she becomes evil because of it.
You can tell the people complaining never or don’t remember seeing the original,Ursula set the rules that Ariel had to kiss a guy, she wanted to see the world if the deal was to collect a 100 flamingos,then what is there to complain about ,this is just the lowest hanging fruit is just the basic plot points everyone knows about
Much of the negative criticism for classic Disney entertainment can be boiled down to what is coming to be known as "presentism." (I think.)
That is when people draw incorrect conclusions about old media, products, and history because they are making judgements based on current knowledge and ideology rather than the full historical context of times and places of the things in question.
It is like how the song, Baby, It's Cold Outside, is seen as being problematic by today's standards. If you know the history of the song and/or pay attention to the context of the lyrics, then the song is perfectly fine. It is almost a female empowerment song. Yes. Really.
In the case of The Little Mermaid and several Disney Princess stories, they are fairy tales at their respective hearts. Most fairy tales are simple. Their simplicity is among the reasons why the stories get passed from generation to generation across decades, centuries, and millennia. However, because the fairy tales are so simplistic, today's bite sized, buzz word, cliff notes, headline grabbing retention populous too easily over simplifies the classics. Modern people remember the bullet points. Thus, the topic becomes ONLY the bullet points.
There is more to The Little Mermaid that a few cool songs and a woman changing her body to meet a man, but those are the most remembered parts of the movie, so people incorrectly think those parts were all the movie was about. Just as Baby It's Cold Outside features a guy refusing to take "No" for an answer, so that's why modern people think it is a date r%pe song.
Don't get me started on how modern people think Gone With The Wind presents a favorable representation of slavery. 🤦♂
If anything cool daddy cool from osmosis jones is more problematic! And in case whoever reads this don't know why, I recommend SonicddrFreak/magma paint's response video on nostalgia critic's take of it(where the compared it to inside out)!
And right now its popular to hate love, marriage and fertility... such a sad existence.
I'd be fine with you going into more depth on those topics. It's something sorely lacking not only in entertainment but society in general.
@@Cerebrum123 I've been considering elaborating on such topics on my own channel. Perhaps I finally put pen to paper, as it were.
@@HighHeelKnight I'm thinking about doing that myself on classic Disney movies and other topics. I would want to disguise my voice and have an avatar first but I don't have the art skills for the latter.
Ariel is probably one of my favorite Disney Princesses. She’s wild, she’s ambitious, she’s determined, and she’d rather try something new and fail then never try and never know if she could do it
People seem to have not paid attention while watching this movie. The amount of times you hear "she gave up everything for a man". She literally wanted to visit the human world for ages even before she saw Eric. She was obsessed with it. She even risks her life at the start of the film being chased by a shark to get a fork.
Even if Ariel never laid eyes on Eric, Ursula still would have used her curiosity against her and made that deal with her. Why? Because she wanted to screw over Triton, that was her ultimate goal. Young Ariel was always going to be manipulated by Ursula and she knew her biggest weakness would be the thought of going on land, hence the deal they made.
Same with Cinderella. She was abused by her stepmother. She goes to the ball fascinated by her surroundings. She just happens to end up with the prince.
Kinda like Misty from Pokemon. They are both brave and feisty redheads who love water. But they are also criticized by everyone and accusing them of being bad role models without further analyzing their characters.
Ariel is the protagonist but she’s not really the one that needed to learn a lesson. Triton needed to learn to let go. There’s being safe, like staying away from humans. And there’s going nuts because she’s collecting junk.
Eric reminds me of Johnathan Joestar in a lot of ways. A nice gentleman who cares a lot about the people he loves/cares about. He was my favourite prince as a child ( I had a huge crush on him as well ) and Ariel was my favourite princess ( I had a crush on her too ) I always thought they were a perfect pairing.
You and me both, dude 😉👍
Johnathan who...?
@@vermis8344 jojo reference. it's a manga/anime
My mom grew up with the original three princesses, Snow White, Cinderella, and Aurora. Being a tomboy, she didn’t identify much with them, and actually enjoyed the villains more. Maleficent was her favorite.
The little mermaid was the first of a long line of strong female representation, she said. Ariel being a redhead and ending the evil redhead stereotype was icing on the cake in her mind, (enter Madame Medusa). I’m very happy you said all of this, because I whole heartedly agree. 😁
That's why Ariel is my favorite Disney princess (and one of my favorite characters in all of fiction). As a guy growing up in the 2000s, I was disgusted with princess characters for being "stupid girly damsels in distress who do nothing but wait to be rescued" (including the Disney Princesses). But, when I watched my brother play the first Kingdoms Hearts game when we got to the Atlantica level (with Ariel as our party member) I was able to discover a side of the character I never saw coming. So, although my love for the character came from her being a badass party member in the first Kingdoms Hearts game, Ariel was the first proactive Disney princess with agency as opposed to being helpless and passive (saving Flounder from a shark, killing Flotsem and Jetsem, and saving Prince Eric). And it's all because of my prejudice judgement towards girly stuff like princess characters.
Why are some women so defensive about women "changing their body" for a man? As if that's something only women do, for a start. But what's so specifically troubling about that? Men change plenty about themselves, including their body, to be attractive to women.
Meanwhile, men are getting shredded in the gym and record rates.
We do? Seriously, a lot less men put any effort to improve their attractivity, and for those that do, the average is much lower than for women. And that's including all types of actions to be more attractive, down to the most benign. For "changing their bodies", I mean, that sounds like surgery. How many men get cosmethic surgury compared to women?
Cosmetic surgeries are awful, I see nothing wrong with discouraging young people from going to extreme measures just in the hopes of pleasing others. I mean, just the desire to "be pleasing" in itself is a pathway to many mental illnesses such as body dysphoria. I'm not advocating for the reverse extreme of fat glorifying or anything like that, there is such a thing as being healthy, but that's not the (primary) aim of most people "changing their bodies".
@@bobseven310 That used to be the case... I'm fairly certain it is no longer the case. I see fit and attractive men out and about far more often then women, I now this because I often stop to look when its an attractive woman lol
@@bobseven310 most women rate most men as unattractive. Most men rate most women as attractive. The data on that are clear. I don't know where this myth that women are judged more on their looks comes from.
@@cassiopeia21 That's not at all relevant to what I said. Women put more effort into their looks than men do. They are also more critical of appearance then men are. These two things are probably connected, but that's not really important. Does buttox make a woman more attractive? I certainly don't think so, yet they are the ones trying to be "prettier" by getting it, not men.
I have to wonder if Alan Menken is only saying this because of his contract. He can't actually believe this, can he? He worked with and was best friends with Howard Ashman, who put so much heart and soul into his lyrics. I hope that he's just doing this to play lip service to Disney, get a paycheck for the new movie, and take solace that the original songs he made with Ashman are still beloved by generations.
Possibly the easiest way to "fix" a lot of the disney Princess movies is to stop making marriage a first movie ending. Bianca & Bernard; Jasmine & Aladdin; Anna & Sven; each of their movies ended in "Hey, let's give this relationship thing a try and see if we're good together." and the House of Mouse didn't end over it.
But I guess if I were to nitpick anything.... let Ariel struggle a bit with what she's doing to Eric. Does she love him - or is she just using him to get the freedom that she wants? Maybe the ending could involve Eric asking when he can have a tour of the sea and they both look to King Triton.
Bernard and Bianca is actually my favorite of those. The two end up getting married (or rather Bernard FINALLY gets to propose) in their second film, and the movie does a GREAT job of showing the lengths they'll go for each other (particularly Bernard) and how much they trust each other.
I would love to see Eric going to Ariel's world
"Ariel gave up her life for a man."
No. She RISKED her life for a chance to become a human. Ursula is the one who said "you have to get that man to kiss you or I'll put you in a jar". For Ariel, it was either take that chance or be miserable living under her dad's rules and away from her dreams.
Yeah the original movies were surprisingly nuanced. Some people judge them by their childhood memories of the films, and as children they apparently didn't pick up on these nuances. There's also the activism which for some reason has been allowed into these companies, the people being put in charge have even less care for the stories and IPs because their priority is their message.
these reboots are vapid and tasteless
Agreed!
Aside from Snow White which I think is bad because the dwarves where very misogynistic towards her, I've always thought the classic (animated) Disney princess movies have always been good with the characterization of the female characters, and feminism. The problem I find with modern activism is they think that every woman should be the same as all the other women and be a warrior, or be a rich business woman instead of being themselves. Society in the past always wanted women to be wives, home-makers and mothers and now it's all about careers (and a baby!) The princesses in these movies and their helpers have always been strong, but in different ways. A lot of activists say 'a woman's place in the resistance' - my saying is that 'a woman's place is where she wants to be.'
@@craftyhobbit7623 How exactly were the dwarfs misogynistic...? LITERALLY aside from Grumpy... Who was a GRUMP... All SIX of the other dwarves were extremely polite to her... Hell they called her Ma'am before they even knew her and were more CURIOUS about her presence in their home than anything... For fuck's sake they were EMBARRASSED that they were messy in front of her... (Dirty Hands)
And going back to how Grumpy treated her... A stranger... From out of nowhere... Shows up in THEIR house...
Or are you talking about: "Humph... Women!" I hate to break it to ya... But as sexist as I know you're going to find this... Women have collective traits as a gender that can only warrant such a response from Men... Don't even TRY to argue against this when I KNOW you FULLY accept Robin Williams' famous joke: "Men: We don't know what we did!" as fact...
Which is funny, because I picked up on several of those nuances when I was a kid. Maybe I'm a special case?
They need to stop dunking on the original Little Mermaid. It was better than before.
It's pretty obvious these critics haven't watched the movie recently or at all. A lot of times these movies are a lot deeper then these people give them credit.
Reminds me of people saying Gaston is the good guy. Nobody who actually watched the movie would say that
I know. It's like people grow denser each generation. Wich makes me glad to be a born autist!
Not even old movies, some people say Bowser was misunderstood, when the man wasn't afraid of reducing one of his own minions to the bone just because they had a different opinion to his, let alone sacrifice all of his prisoners to boiling lava as "celebration" for his wedding
@@dustymcwari4468. Your talking about the movie, I'm not sure he done anything of this sort in the games!
@@erikbihari3625 yeah the movie
@@dustymcwari4468. Could've said so.
When I hear "more nuanced" my hopes are they plan to incorporate elements of the original tale that were removed from the animated film, such as the mermaid's actual motivation for wanting to be human. But after five disappointments, I know it's more likely that Ariel is going to look directly at the audience and say "I'm not doing this for a man".
Another gripe I have with this movie is that it has as much life as a graveyard. I guess they thought bright and colorful was considered “too childish” so they had to make it look dull and lifeless in order for adults to take it seriously (I think you said something like this in another video).
Thank you! I’ve never understood why people always made it seem like Ariel was this pathetic princess that gave up everything for a guy. More people need to see your video!!!
I agree, I was looking forward to the new movie but bad mouth after bad mouth on the original, I can't even stand the thought! You already gave the exact thoughts on how I feel about Ariel and the movie itself. Plus, Eric wasn't willing to kiss Ariel until he learned her name at least, showing he values her as a person.
People compare the new remake to the Brandi Cinderella, which is funny how they just now suddenly acknowledge that movie exists because before they didn't. It only seems like they bring up that movie for clout, when beforehand that movie was long forgotten. Which sucks because as corny as that movie was it was at least a fun one and I could relate to Cinderella in that one a little bit. I feel like all this bad mouth on the old Disney films are just them trying to go woke and not really of course, doing anything. Like instead of just replacing Ariel with a black woman, why not create another animated story with a main black lead. It seems like black characters in these Disney movies are either not human (like Ariel and Tiana for most part of her film) or they're side characters or are biracial, not fully black and yet they say they're being productive and woke. It seems more so they're avoiding doing another animated film with a black lead. If anything they're actually look more racist than what they're saying they are but that's just my view on it.
Agree; makes me worry on when I see the new movie. I do know that there's a reason why I do like Brandi as Cinderella. Because it's a Broadway Cinderella. It may been made by Disney, but it's the musical version with mere hints of the animated movie.
You do know the new movie will fixed all those problems right?
Right?
I mean c'mon! We ALL know the bad guy isn't going to be Ursula, the ULTIMATE bad guy will be Daddy Triton for trying to control his daughter.
Though...depicting a Black family being manipulative, controlling and abusive is sort of a horrible thing if you ask me, seems sorta racist.
I want to genuinely thank you for your recent Little Mermaid videos cause without them, I would’ve never comprehended that Ariel and Eric are written to be two sides of the same coin and now I appreciate the writing and their relationship in the animated film so much more. Honestly, thank you.
I haven't watched this movie in ages, so it's nice to see how much I had indeed forgotten about it, from the visuals to the story itself. Thank you for the trip down memory lane mj, I think we should all take time to rewatch our classics before passing judgment.
The only genuine complaint I've ever heard about TLM is that she doesn't have a character arc. She wants something, there are obstacles, then she gets it. She is flawed as she's fairly naive, but even with the Witch she knows she's bad news, so not really.
I feel like it should also be pointed out that not only does Ursula not help Ariel get to the surface, but she doesn't give her any clothes either. Triton, on the other hand, actually creates a dress for her to wear.
Well, it’s not like the sea witch gave the mermaid clothes in the fairy tale either, since mermaids don’t wear clothes when they become human.
So some story books based off the movie leaked
And apparently it's ariel who uses the ship to stab Ursula
Huh
Oh my God I called it. Those predictable hacks.
But isn't she in a vortex in the sea at that moment? And how is she gonna use the ship if she has no legs?
Also great job at taking away Eric's spotlight moment(which now that I think about it, probably helped Triton realize humans were good people since Eric chose to stay and fight against a sea monster AND protect Ariel, rather then just go home).
When I saw that page I actually laughed for 3 minutes.
@@maggiesheartlove2734 yep, I'm resorting to piracy too. Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
You hit the nail on the head! I especially love how NOT emotionally charged you are in your videos. You don't know how much I appreciate that. 💖
I will say that even though the story is a rendition of The Little Mermaid, the original Disney film had a clear narrative of a father/daughter relationship. It was about their love for each other but also an inability to effectively communicate which ultimately pushed the daughter away. Fortunately, she found a great guy, so Triton was willing to let her go at the end as it was his only option at that point if he wanted her to be happy. The film warns us of the dangers of parents shutting down or shutting out their kids.
I get the feeling this copy/past nonsense film will just demonize the father in an attempt to justify the female protagonist getting everything she wants in the end because she always deserved it. If the narrative is going to change, just make a new The Little Mermaid with its own original characters that fit it.🙄
By the way, does anyone remember Disney EVER dissing their own works before this live-action wave started? Or puffing themselves up over other studios? The Disney I grew up on NEVER told me what to think about their films because they spoke for themselves. They built up on their own foundations and took good things from other places to craft it into their own original works. It's like the people who are heading up this stuff are so busy trying to force their opinions on the world that they forget that creativity and originality are the reason people go to Disney movies to begin with.
Nope that's why i blame the not like other girls mentality and wokenism on why we aren't getting movies with feminine protagonists with love interests that have that classic feel to them and why they're becoming so ugly in regards to animation that's why I'm not excited for the new dreamworks movie Ruby gillman teenage kraken the plot is overused "teen wants to live a normal life but oh no powers" the characters all look ugly and while there's nothing wrong with Ruby herself from what I've seen in the trailer she's just another nerdy tomboy nothing wrong with being any of those two but I'm just so sick/tired of only seeing those kind of female protags give me back feminine girls that love fashion and are nerdy but in a girly way with an all pink gaming room and whatnot so It's not only Disney that has this problem
@@Naruto_fishcake I do agree. At the same time, that DreamWorks movie looks like more of a mockery of current Disney films. I think they intend for it to be humorous through satire. I'm too crushed by Disney to appreciate something like that now, though. I miss the variety of protagonists we used to have, and how they taught good moral and life lessons. I want my variety back 🥺
Ariel is a brave, bold, and daring heroine, who is also beautiful, vulnerable, curious, and talented. Prince Eric is handsome, dashing, charming, down-to-earth, and a dog-lover. Ariel's original intentions were never to find a man, but rather, to explore the outside world, and escape her father's oppression. Turns out they are both fascinated by each other's worlds and are a perfect match. So, yes, this movie has faced too much criticism.
Also, the original book by Hans Christan Andersen is a lot darker, than the movie. I'd like to see more discussions, comparing the original versions of fairy tales to the Disney adaptations.
It's frustrating how they're trying to rewrite "Kiss the Girl" so that it feels like Ariel is being given consent. Ummm, what about Eric's consent? he's just trying to be a nice person and support this mute girl by spending his days with her and letting her live in his castle for free. He's clearly not comfortable kissing her because he's just trying to help her and he's still in love with the mystery girl with the beautiful voice. Ariel is not a bad person because she does love him and NEEDS his kiss or she'll not only return to the sea as a miserable mermaid, but also lose her soul to Ursula; so it's life or death! but it doesn't change that she's extremely forward with him and really the one in charge of the situation. So, where's his consent? or he doesn't count because he's a man?
Why is it that modern Disney always gets shocked when the "bad guy" does ,gasp, bad things!
Saying that Ursula's song needed to be changed because it sent a bad message, is like saying Sephiroth's Nibelheim scene needed to be changed because it was sending a message that arson and murder are okay.
Can you ever make a video defending Sleeping Beauty?
I always see people going on about how it’s a sexist movie while constantly praising Maleficent
I also don’t think Aurora is as bland of a character a people make her out to be. Sure she could’ve been giving more screentime but from what we see of her she does have a personality, we see how shy she is when meeting Phillip and how she talks about her dreams and passions (similar to Ariel)
Also she puts her dreams and the life she knew behind to put her duties as a princess and her people first. People say she was only sad because of Phillip but I disagree I think he was only a part of it but just imagine you find out your entire life was a lie it made sense she was upset
I always felt like she got too much hate. It annoys me how these people hate on Snow White, Belle, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel etc but then praise characters like Elsa, Anna and Merida
I know what you mean. Classic girls like Aurora have been my role models. But to show rebellious girls who want to pick fights and break rules? I admire them but I wouldn't know how to act that way without disrespecting.
Yeah I agree Sleeping Beauty definitely needs a defense video. One thing I hate about people who criticize this movie but praise "Maleficent" for is the treatment of the 3 Faires Flora, Fawna & Merryweather. These 3 not only have the most screen time in the movie but arguably the most screen time of any parental figure in early Disney. These 3 are the ones that raise Aurora and are the ones to help Philip, these three elderly women. Yet there are no articles praising them at all, how is what they do not female empowerment?! And in the live action movie their treated as a joke but Maleficent is praised for doing their job of looking after Aurora, how is that fair?!
@@patrickmcguire7896 Honestly after ABC's Once Upon a Time, I am leaning against live actions' new versions of villains. Like Cruella is a horrible rendition, and this new series Villains of Valley View follow a villain family trying to hid. They want to be evil but aren't realizing they have been doing good which in turn would make them feel. Like how it happened in Dreamworks Bad Guys, it only worked for one guy, Wolf. The others need better fleshing out.
There's a quote I been following when it comes to villains. Talks about Darth Vador (which he's praise too, probably due to the second trilogy) but I apply it to any villain. It's too long so here's the last sentences: "I see a lot of adoration. I get the bad guys are cool, but they are evil. You really don't want to be them." Look up Dave Filoni for a full quote.
I feel like they could have gone way more in-depth with Aurora. It’s been a few weeks since I’ve seen the movie (I have a 4 year old so I’ve seen a lot of Disney movies over the last couple years I hadn’t seen since I was a kid). I don’t really remember them address that fact that she was raised by her “aunts”. Did she grow up thinking everyone is raised by the aunts? Who did they say her parents were? Did they say they found her? Why wasn’t she angrier about the lies?
They should have just told her from the beginning. You’re a princess we’re hiding from an evil fairy and don’t touching spinning wheels. Also you have an arranged marriage.
_Sleeping Beauty_ was never my fave, but how could someone trash on that while praising _Maleficent?_ That movie....had a few moments, but over all was pretty bad.
This complete misconception that Disney has about their own film goes WAY back, even to House of Mouse times. In the Jiminy Cricket episode, Jiminy tells Ariel, “Don’t give up your voice just because you have a crush on some guy. It’s just not worth it!” BUT THAT WASN’T THE REASON AT ALL!! Though I love House of Mouse, this just angered me so much.
I feel like Eric gets the criticism that he does because he doesn't have as much screen time as other princes-- Aladdin, Naveen, Eugene-- so he feels like a generic prince for our princess. But I think there's so much to him underneath the surface, that it's easy to miss.
For most of the movie, he's so eager to find the beautiful, mysterious, almost mystical girl who saved his life, but after talking to Grimsby, he learns to stop chasing the dream in his head and to pursue the real, living girl who is already within reach. Luckily for him, they ended up being one and the same, but this was a detail I missed for years until a UA-cam reactor pointed it out. It just makes his character and story that much more significant to me.
I love your analysis on Ariel and Eric, though! And I truly do love them as a couple-- they're one of my favorites.
Well, he is three letters away from the word “generic”.
I hate how the modern audience looks at this movie and intentionally read the wrong messages
It’s not modern audiences.
Even women in 1989 saw Ariel as a feminist nightmare.
John Musker recalled during a press tour that there were some female reporters who gave him and Ron Clements grief because Ariel married Prince Eric at the end of “The Little Mermaid”.
Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to assure the female reporters that Ariel loved all things human, not just Prince Eric, but sadly this didn’t change the mind of female reporters.
Jeffrey took Ron and John aside by saying to them during a “Beauty and the Beast” meeting:
*”Sheesh!! They put me through the ringer! Guys! Whatever we do, I don’t wanna get tagged like that again! We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen on this one!”*
Therefore, the “feminist” changes made for Belle in “Beauty and the Beast” were the result of Jeffrey Katzenberg getting “roughed up” by female reporters during a press tour in Florida, as well as Jeffrey not wanting any critique that would diminish the movie’s box office returns.
Source: howardashman.squarespace.com/blog/john-musker-question-countdown-5
This is the whole "Root Beer" instead of actual beer in the live action Pinnochio movie all over again.
Here's an idea for a movie- Triton sends Ariel in human disguise to be a spy on human kingdom. Ariel fumbles her way as an "expert" on humans (for a mermaid, that is), learns that they are more complicated than she or her father realized and it still ends in a wholesome manner.
Not a bad idea, but why over complicate the story?
@@erikbihari3625 To tell a new story using old concept. It's not a complicated setup at all:
-Ariel wants to explore the world above but can't for physical reasons
-Triton is weary of people so needs a spy, but literally nobody knows anything about the ground.
-Ariel volunteers and convinced Triton to let her go, but sends Sebastian or another amphibious creature alongside as chaperone (new character idea potential here)
-Once on the surface, Ariel fumbles around and makes a ton of mistakes, but instead of being sus Eric finds her charming.
-The villain could still be Ursula, maybe there's a secondary one in some evil human, who knows.
-Ariel learns that humans are neither good or bad but still finds that she want to learn more and she stays on surface as an official Atlantis representative.
@@playahsan That’s not really the Little Mermaid anymore then, just a different story with Mermaid characters.
0:47 Awwwww unpopular opinion maybe but animated Prince Eric was always my fav Disney prince! He came across so sweet and heroic and had such kind eyes to little me! My other fav Disney guys are Hercules and Tarzan, they’re not so much ‘princes’ per se, but maybe I have a nice guy type 😅
Anyhow, definitely not going to see the live action Little Mermaid. Hard pass.
That reprisal of "Part of Your World" at the end where Ariel hugs Triton and says, "I love you, Daddy." Oh my gosh. My heart always melts! 😩
It's all politics. The people ruining Disney don't care.
They don't care if it succeeds or fails, they just want to take a
Hallmark American Industry and burn it to the ground. In this
case The Mouse House. And they just want to take properties
like The Little Mermaid and Snow White and warp them for the
sake of doing it. It's modern day book burning.
Popular nostalgic game franchises, movies, TV shows are all
problematic to their world view and need to be sanitized.
And in most cases utterly exterminated.
I won't be seeing these. Not because of bigotry.
Because I have respect and love for the original works,
I personally think that Ariel’s interest in humans and the surface, is the equivalent of you discovering something outside of your box like Marvel, Anime & Manga, etc.
You become interested but you’re parents/guardians don’t allow to explore it because they might be either interested or closed minded about it.
Disney’s wrong about most things
Indeed
Agree, personally, i think the little mermaid has among the most relevant messages for tpday, considering ursula and how she is basically a shark buisnessman or a scammer, plenty of people nowadays would benefit from learning of ariel's mistakes, to be careful in times of vulneravility, to not take deals when mad, that in love words are unecesary, the people who love you will help you when you mess up, she only got out of it because her father and the prince help her, very common when you fall on a scam, the people that love you support you in order to get back on your legs (ba dum tsss)
The only thing i wpuld personally complain about it is how she doesn't get to enjoy that much the over world, just a quick sketch, i would have liked more if the prince and her ingaged together in the exploring and then the romantic song starts, other than that a classic
I remember watching The Little Mermaid a lot on VHS many times as a little kid. It's really sad looking back on the movie, how much effort went into the animation, the production, the voice actors and actresses, to remember its huge impact left on the animation industry and beginning the Disney Renaissance, only to see these new executives and even actors at Disney tearing apart all the hard work the executives, producers, artists, writers, sound-designers, and directors before them had done and thinking THEY can do it better, as if there was something inherently wrong with the 1989 animated film, when in reality they're just misreading it to look for problems that aren't even there.
The story was always about Ariel growing independent from her father. She always wanted to go up to the human world long *before* meeting Eric. Its not like she was happy with her life until she saw him and then fell in love with the human world overnight. The deal Ursula makes is signed with Ariel's CONSENT, there's nothing about it that explicitly says Eric has to "force himself onto" her. ARIEL is the one who HAS to get him to kiss her in order to remain a human permanently, albeit through body-language because she sells her voice to the sea witch, because Ursula (unbeknownst to her) set it all up so Ariel could fail from the beginning.
I hope years from now the new Disney executives and the actors/actresses that are going out of their way to, intentionally or otherwise, misread Ariel's arc will realize just how disingenuous and foolish they sounded when this pointless reboot came out in 2023, and I hope by then Disney (and by its extent, Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry) will stop all of their fans-hating, virtue-signaling, wannabe-woke (because its not actually "representation" or even "woke" if you simply piggyback off of other people's hard work and popular stories by rebooting them to change characters' personalities and races and genders and sexualities for the sake of "representation" and "feminism", if anything it's actually lazy pandering) BS and start making good content again.
Fingers crossed!😊
I'm always so frustrated how Disney princesses are reduced to nothing but 'damsels in distress' and pretty dresses by their critics, when they are anything but. Yes, they need saving at one point of their films, but what about everything that happens up until that point or after???? I don't like all of the classic princess movies, but it's clear that their so-called 'critics' haven't seen them at all, or they just remember the biggest plot points and forgot all the character development and finer details. Ugh.
Just because a woman is feminine, it doesn't mean that she's weak. Just because she has a love interest doesn't mean that her whole life revolves around a man. Just because she relies on other people to solve a problem she can't solve by herself doesn't mean that she has nothing to offer to others.
Sorry about the rant, it's a topic very dear to my heart and these new remakes always manage to rile me up... -.-"
Dont worry about it, people often miss such stuff. I mean gaston is appearently a good guy and gone with the wind endorses slavery?
I've said this before but as an adult, I kinda side with Triton more than Ariel. This was my favorite movie when it came out and I was the *perfect* age to lap it all up. I wanted to *be* a Mermaid. What I see with Triton though, is that he is concerned about his daughter and Humans *are* literally dangerous, so he does have some justification for not liking them. However, his "scorched earth" policy with destroying Ariel's property without any sort of consultation and allowing his anger to get the better of him completely undermined any "leg" he had to stand on.
Even as many times as I've seen this movie, I had forgotten a few elements you brought up - like how Ursula was the one who hung everything on "getting the prince". I believe, in the original story, there was no time limit. The Prince eventually was engaged to another woman though, so her time limit was set with his wedding kiss. Disney modified this to a 3 day time limit, probably for drama and to move the story along at a faster clip, raising the stakes and of course, twisting it so Ursula was the betrothed instead. I think it was a pretty excellent rework.
Eric is a wonderful Disney Prince. He's highly approachable, fun loving, brave, cordial and considerate... everything a woman could ever want. If I was to bring up faults, I think he can be impatient, he has a restless spirit like Ariel does. I also like that her not having a voice makes it so he can't fall for her based on that, and is somehow holding out hope of finding the girl who rescued him (even if she's right in front of him). I recently saw a video ranking Disney Princes' and he was pretty high on the list because of how much personality he has.
I would also never use the word "Ditz" to describe Ariel. Naive? Yes. Ditzy? No. Headstrong, head in the clouds, adventurous, curious, kind, lacking experience perhaps. I believe part of her agreement with the witch was because she had an attraction to Eric, sure. If he hadn't been the offering, if it was just "You go on land for 3 days and then you're mine" she would obviously not have signed. By using Eric as bait, she could have a more permanent hold on the surface world - something to keep her there and make it more attractive. So, while he was not the source of her interest in the surface, he was definitely a selling point.
Beauty and the Beast eventually usurped the Little Mermaid as my favorite Disney animated movie and it's stood there for most of my life very proudly. I love to read *and* sing so Belle was a perfect fit for me.
Ariel was deeply infatuated with the surface world way before Eric came along. Like any normal 16 year old she saw a dreamy guy and fell in love with him. Eric is also a gentleman and takes good care of her and makes sure that she is OK after essentially washing up on shore, not knowing where she comes from. Ariel and Eric are both good people. Eric saves Max from drowning, and Ariel saves Eric from drowning.
I've seen the original Little Mermaid a few times and I must say that it was awesome that you have put a lot of though and depth into your defense of the movie. Your critique of Ariel and Eric has gladly helped me understand them more then ever before. Also it was important that you had no offense over the original cartoon despite being female. ;-) It is a shame the current Disney and the current media cannot understand what real women want even though they claim to.
We also see this in the part where she's hanging off the side of Eric's ship and overhears his want of something more than just being a prince marrying someone he doesn't love just to please the wants of someone else which probably endears him to her since she is a very similar predicament since she's forced to hide what she loves and who she is because of her father's wants and expects.
I've always loved Eric, I always thought he was kind and put effort in to getting to know and help Ariel.
Technically, she's not a role model. Just a princess with happy ending. Main characters don't need to be a role model. If she's not stupid, she wont become a human and there wont have an adventure
This was my late wife's favorite Disney movie. I just can't bring myself to watch the new version.
It'd sad that Ariel gets so much disrespect because of bad faith criticism. Many people talk about how Moana, Elsa and other Princesses in the later films are more "feminists" and "progressive" but Ariel is literally the FIRST Disney Princess who started the trend that the others princesses follow. A trendsetter if you may. She activity chase after her goals and don't give a fuck who says otherwise. That's what I love about her. She taught me to never be held back by nayseayers and persue your happiness. She's ambitious, curious, and a thirst for knowledge. She deserves more respect
In that case I recommend:-"why snow white is still the strongest princess"by"there will be fudd". Your gonna love and not regret it!
@@erikbihari3625 I watched that a long time ago! I enjoyed it!
@@lavenderplace8591. Check out the rest of his stuff!
@@erikbihari3625 I did and I absolutely loved that video and everything that was said was 100% each of these Princessses, whether they follow the traditional or progressive route, are all important and have a place to be role models they teach us about bringing out the best of ourselves. Not just for young girls, but for everyone. Snow white taught us the importance of empathy and kindness but also shows us the dangers of that if we aren't too careful as it's shown in the film. I swear I wish Disney defend and protect its ethos instead of shaming it.
When they brought up eric having a " A mother, A queen thats new to the film" my first reaction was a eye roll of "Yea no duh" but shes not a important character to the story its about ariel and eric. Then i thought more on it and I am calling it they will make Eric's mother more of a character and overshadow him while being cheerleader for everything ariel does.