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A Defense of Disney Princesses and Movies
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2018
- Hating on Disney princesses has been popular for a while now, and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. Keira Knightley said she doesn't let her daughter watch Disney movies like Cinderella and The Little Mermaid. Parents can choose what kind of media they want their kids to consume. But maybe there's more to these movies that is being overlooked. What are your thoughts on this ongoing debate? Do Disney princesses send a bad message? Or are they more than they are made out to be? Leave a comment and let us know.
say it louder for the people in the back... femininity doesn’t equal weakness and falling in love does not instantly make a character weak either 👏 female characters can be strong in many different ways
@@sophisticatedPJs Exactly! Actually, I know from experance it's really harmful. There is a younger girl in my neighbourhood (she's around 10 yo, I think) and her mother doesn't let her wear feminine clothes. I know about this because she and I are at the same scouting group and we were sewing fingerpuppets and she said she won't take her puppet home. I asked her privetely why that is and she said that her mom will say it's too feminine and will scold her.
Do you understand thaat? Her mom would scold her for making a feminine character.
That's the problem feminist believe that women must be equal to men in the sense of being physically mentally and emotionally similar to men instead of having equal standards of living and opportunity which here in America is very equal and anytime it's ever disrupted it's not praised or gratified I'm not saying it's perfect I'm not saying it eliminates all the problems that women have to face but it's one huge hell of a stepping stone and to denounce it like these celebrities are doing it's f****** b******* and really ironic once you think about it since a lot of them are female and they have these opportunities that even most males can only dream of and really it's spits into the face of people who both men and women have pretty much died to get to this point and I don't want to give an excuse to these people but really it all comes down to misunderstanding of what actually happened what is happening and how it all came to forwishen mostly the idea of nostalgic but it's a little different than that looking back into the past that they never experienced and taking the wrong lesson and twisting it to better suit them and their needs this is actually very human because even though we preach about equality and the betterment of others it all starts with the betterment of oneself and once you get to a certain point and with the right upbringing do you start to think about others and become more charitable but when you hit a certain status in society and others are looking at you There's a Hero complex the invisible audience and all this crazy s*** that really drives into people's brain and I think that's what a lot of celebrities are suffering from and now their ideologies are being spread out to the masses before I forget it actually did start with mostly teachers and professors that were scared shittless about being drafted during the wars and once they had enough students I even heard some of them smuggled students in that didn't have the money or resources to attend so that they would have more attendance and once things started to settle down and we hear more and more Horror Stories of the wars their brain just broke again I'm not giving them an excuse but there is a reason and it's frightening
Both male and female characters can be weak! It's about good characterisation.
So true
100% agree. There's this emphasis on strong female characters these days, which is why we've got women such as Rey and Black Widow, and while one of them's a great character, they're not very feminine and like SophisticatedPajamas said, it's ironic considering feminists like to talk about female empowerment and all that. There really needs to be more strong women out there that are strong BECAUSE of their femininity, not IN SPITE of it. They'd be nurturing, caring, empathetic, and motherly, and because of that, they will fuck their enemy's lives up and fight for days (not necessarily physically, either) just to protect those that they care deeply about or those that need help. Seeing someone like that would be so awesome and it's such a shame we put too much emphasis on physical strength lol
People should remember Nala was out hunting and happened upon Simba by coincidenxe. Once she discovered he was alive she tried to convince him of his responsibility.
This Princess bashing is ridiculous.
I was going to say that she goes looking for help in the Broadway version, but then I remembered this line from the movie: "I came here to find help, and I found you!".
So, she wasn't JUST hunting. That was a part of it.
Slicer Neons she actually was both hunting and trying to find help. Either way it still stands she ran into Simba coincidentally and unexpectedly.
@@andreasmeelie1889 yeah they they simba was dead
There's also a deleted scene where scar orders Nala to become his queen- so that's another reason why she ran away looking for help
xFrostyx they showed that deleted scene in the Broadway musical and played my favorite song in the musical Shadowland.
let me also point out that Cinderella was never saved by a man at all. When stepmother locked her in the attic and the DUKE came with the slipper, Cinderella was yelling and screaming for her stepmother to let her out, trying to pull open the door, gather her animal friends to get the key for the door, and told them to get Bruno the dog to get rid of Lucifer when he became an obstruction to her freedom. when she got out, she called to the duke, politely asked to try on the slipper, and when the original shattered, pulled out her own slipper. she held the key to her freedom in that slipper that ensured her a ticket out of her personal hell.
secondly, Cinderella didn't really accept her role, she felt her lifestyle was better for her survival. remember her talk with Bruno in the kitchen when she saw him having dreams of chasing Lucifer? she said, "if you don't want to lose a nice warm bed, you better get rid of those dreams". she employed adaptive survival tactics so she wouldn't be out on the street, destitute, friendless, and penniless. she sought to make the best of her worst situations. now that doesn't mean she doesn't have limits, we clearly see her argue against the extra chores her stepmother gives her and her frustrated looks when she's fed up with her work and stepfamily, but she still sought to have hope, believing that soon her hard work and perseverance would pay off someday and she would be free.
Ironically, the recent live-action Cinderella sucks every bit of fight out of that character and turns her into the pathetic wimp that the old Cartoon Cinderella was always accused of being. The live action version doesn't have her scream, pound on the door, or strategize ways to get out when her step-mother locks her away. It just has her.....sit on the windowsill and sing.
That new live action movie was so weird.
@@MsBrendalina i totally agree. It drove me nuts that people thought she was more feminist
@@MsBrendalina yeah and Cinderella didnt have time for a job if she could even get one. no friends at all and she was probably kept in the house her whole life so she had no idea what the outside world is like may I also point out that Cinderella was brainwashed into being a servant from childhood. The new Cinderella however had friends an idea of the outside world and could have found ways to free herself many times however she says that she doesn't want to leave the house he parents loved oh is that why she leaves in the end and never looks back and she was a teenager
Cinderella literally had nowhere else to go. Back then, 19 year old girls didn't just go find an apartment because they had mean stepmothers. And she didn't even know she had been dancing with the prince until the next morning. She wanted to go to the ball because, well back then who wouldn't want to?
MsBrendalina really I didn’t see that’ in the live action Cinderella, she didn’t know the king was looking for her, and the scene where she was going to bring the slippers to the king, and the stepmother found the slipper and told her the plan she had for the king, then Ella turn around and said she couldn’t save her father but she will save the kingdom and the 👑 and my second favourite scene with the captain of the guards Captain: [to Cinderella] Miss. You are requested and required to present yourself to your king.
Lady Tremaine: I forbid you to do this!
Captain: And I forbid you to forbid her! Who are you to stop an officer of the king? Are you an empress? A saint? A deity?
Lady Tremaine: I am her mother.
Cinderella: You have never been... and you never will be my mother
And Cinderella turn around and said she was never her mother
Modern audiences forget that Cinderella is a 19th century (according to the Disney movie styling) orphan girl with no legal rights, in an era with no Child Services or Social Services.
We always make the mistake of judging old stories from our modern, western, democratic eyes.
Exactly! If she would have walked away, there is no chance she would get a job (women didn't work back then) and could have a better life. Even in society she would be in outcast because back then your parents (or step-parents) were believed to always be right, and disrespecting them or running away from them was seen as almost a crime- no matter how horrible they treated you. ''Abuse by a parent'' was nothing that anyone cared about back then, if your parent treated you badly, people thought you did something to deserve it.
Even if she would have walked away, realistically, she would have ended up either on the street begging for money and trying not to starve or in a poor house.
@@araparth9106 Begging? Poor house? Let's face it, she'd be kidnapped and sold to a public house in no time.
The architecture seems late renaissance to me probably 16th century.
Thomas Paglione but the dresses look like 1860s- 1890s. Basic Disney historic accuracy 🤣
@@ariellagoichman3513 Well kind of those dress styles were popular in Italy during the Renaissance, you can look at artwork of the time. They did have Victorian colors though, so yes that is a bit confusing. Much like why Aurora has so many scenes cut was because Mary Costa had to keep changing her accident they had to rerecord her lines so much they actually lost them! Plus they moved everything to Germany and Walt Disney was obsessed with making Costa a world class singer, he booked outside of the windows to record in the mid 50s.
Honestly I hate the whole "women have to be 100% independent, mentally stable, brave, and physically strong" to be a good role model.
Banana Badger they call that Toxic masculinity...
In the bible women killed men.
@@oximofo9 In the bible women killed men, it's not toxic masculinity.
Honestly, where are these women making these comments from? Sparta? I know of almost no culture in history where all the women were very physically strong, gruff and tough. As a guy, I have no problem with a strong heroine as long as she's reasonably believable, moral, humble and truly respects men. This however, is insanity.
It's also degrading to girls who actually like dressing up, makeup, and traditionally "girly-girl" stuff. It's like saying they're bad for liking traditionally feminine stuff. Being a girly-girl doesn't mean you're weak, and being a tom-boy doesn't mean you're strong.
When Cinderella runs off, she excuses it by saying "I haven't met the prince". And the narration at the beginning of Cinderella literally says abuse. It's not implied, it's outright stated by the narrator.
one scene which is obvious she might have been physchailly abuse is when Lady Treamine is nearing her after the mice and birds were able to fishing Cinderella's dress. Right before Lady Treamine touches the necklace. The way Cinderella is acting-kind of implies it.
It’s clear that she’s LYING by saying that she hadn’t met the prince yet in order to leave because it was already midnight and if she violated her deadline, then she would go back to wearing rags.
Cinderella is a terrible liar. 😂
@@PrincessofEllabur heard of mental abuse
@@user-yh7nf3qe8u the way Cinderella is leaning away from her step-mother also applies there might have been psychically abuse at one point in the past.
@@PrincessofEllabur yeah what I was applying was that she got have gotten mentally abuse too
I hate the victim blaming about Cinderella. And nobody seems to remember that "Part of that world" happened before Ariel saw Eric ?
I know i said that. She gave her voice up for a pair of legs...
I agree. When she sees Eric she just says he's handsome. She never mentions anything about wanting to bang him. It's like when you're out with friends and and you see a good looking guy or girl pass by. Naturally you're going to compliment them. When she does get to the surface, she's more fascinated by her surroundings than him. In fact she doesn't fall in love with him till later.
That's most likely the problem. I think since feminists hate these movies so much they probably last watched it years, if not decades ago and have no idea about what the movie was like anyway. But the point is: you shouldn't complain about something if you are absolutely ignorant about the topic.
@@araparth9106 They're not feminists, they're idiots wannabe feminist.
Ariel always wanted to go to the surface. Eric was just the thing that made her want it even more.
I've seen a few remarks from people who grew up in abusive households who are more hurt by the "Cinderella is weak for staying and should just rescue herself" crowd than from Cinderella itself, one of them straight up said that Disney's Cinderella gave her hope as a child because it gave her hope that her personal hell will end some day and she would finally be free and happy.
People who say it’s offensive have no idea what abuse does to a person.
That's heartbreaking... Would you know if she did manage to get away from her misery?
I actually came here to say just this.
I have my own experiences with abuse and it is not as simple as "just leaving". If that would be true, no one would be getting abuser.
Ciderella is hero in my eyes for being able to finding love (because children from abusive households often marry abusers, because they arent used to being treated good and often have very low self esteem) and have the courage to leave (it is very difficult to leave abusers since you create a trauma bond which is often also called Stockholm syndrome).
@@csp5531 agreed
People who say Cinderella is weak know nothing about how stifling and disempowering years of emotional abuse at the hands of a parent can be. If anything, in hindsight, I'm surprised Cindy stayed as patient and kind as she did!
So does Kiera Knightly not let her children watch Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean because her own character was by her definition a “damsel in distress”?🤔
She couldn't act her way out of a plastic bucket. 😖 Painful to watch. She ruined the pirates movies for me. Elizabeth Swann was annoying af anyway, she used the "damsel in distress" card constantly to get her way and was selfish and extremely manipulative. Not a heroine at all. I don't think anyone could have redeemed that character.
To be fair, only in the first movie; she took a level in badass in the sequels.
Ooooh! Kendra wright hit the nail on the HEAD!
PhoenixRising87 That is true
Yeah, why didn't she use her powerful womanity and just swim across the entire ocean away from the murderous undead pirates holding her prisoner?
The biggest issue for me is when people give Snow White crap for cleaning and cooking for the dwarfs. She OFFERED to clean and cook for them instead of being a free loader. The dwarfs would have probably let her stay without having to do all that but she was go grateful for them for giving up THEIR BEDS, SHARING THEIR FOOD, RISKING THEIR OWN LIVES that she offered to do domestic chores for them, which is something Snow White knew how to do because she was forced to. Like damn, Snow White is probably one of, if not, the kindest Disney Princess who is ONLY 14. Also, her being saved by her Prince in the end? I know common criticism is that the early Disney Princesses and their Princes didn't get much interaction but I'd like think that perhaps Snow and her Prince would meet several more times before the Queen took out her vengeance on her. It's like Aurora and Philip. The dance scene I interpret as them getting to know each other. Like sure Beauty and the Beast did it better because they showed clips of them during "Something More" of doing different activities and getting closer.
PrincessAries86 people also forget that a huge part of early Disney movies was displaying the animation and how it could be a serious art form, especially since during the time Snow White came out, animation had only been the cartoony rubber hose style used for things like Betty Boop and Mickey Mouse, and very few thought animation could be more than that. So a lot of Disney movies were about the visual artistry and innovation in that
It's sad to see a 14 year old have more life skills than most grown adults. 😂
I know your comment is a year old, but about the little time we see the characters interact there is a very simple answer that it seems everybody forgets: these are all fairy tails, they don't have to portray a realistic relatioship because their goal is to teach a lesson. When you read Snow White or Sleeping Beauty you don't describe every single interaction they have with the princes, you say "they fell in love" because it is not important how they fall in love. The prince singing to Snow White, Aurora and Philp dancing, Cinderella too... these actions symbolises how they fall in love in a way children can understand. I think no little child is interested in a teen drama about two people falling in love, they don't understand how it all works, and I don't think any child watching these movies goes around complaining how unrealistic they are
@@simonebressanin2012 My comment is from my point of view as an adult I see the interactions as time passing and their getting on. You're right though a child doesn't need to see it. I mean as I grew up I knew that wasn't how life really was but I still love the fantasy about fairy tale love and good people are rewarded lol.
@@PrincessAries86 I totally get it, I'm a huge fan of disney classics myself as a young adult and i appreciate every aspects of them because I try to understand what they're supposed to be. The magic is that even growing up you can still find something to learn and appreciate, something that as a child you couldn't catch but now you can. it's just that people in general tend to forget that they still are fairy tails after all and they start this nonsense fuss about what's realistic and what's not
Mulan is so much more traditionally feminine than people who want to hold her up as some kind of super-tomboyish ra-ra you go girl teenage rebel icon seem to realize or want to admit. I'm not just referring to the fact that she only cross dresses out of dire necessity and immediately switches back to wearing a dress as soon as the charade is over either; she's deeply compassionate (that shot with the doll wasn't just thrown in for kicks), is motivated largely by love for her family and a desire for unity with them, is grossed out by body odor and bad hygiene, dislikes fighting (again, learns to fight anyway out of dire necessity, and is absolutely terrible until she learns to rely on quick wit and good technique instead of physical strength), and turns down a position of great power so that she can return to her home and family. The most tomboyish things about her are that she likes to ride horses and is uncomfortable wearing heavy makeup (but wears it anyway out of a desire to please her family and fit in with the other girls) - neither of which would qualify as out of the norm for a low-key girlie girl in the modern day.
@Neato Burrito Being deeply compassionate isn't necessarily feminine. I'm a guy and I'd like to think I'm a deeply compassionate person--at the very least I don't care much for fighting. (Bad hygiene puts me off too.) And in this day and age, riding horses seems to be considered more of a feminine behavior, seeing, that most horse lovers are female, though riding horses was considered more masculine for most of history (again, due to their use in warfare, which has since fallen by the wayside.)
I consider Mulan more a tomboy with a girly streak (like I was when I was younger and to some degree still am); like, she's rough around the edges and doesn't always fit neatly into traditional gender roles, but she still tries to and likes looking nice and other feminine things (you'll notice she actually loves the matchmaker makeover she gets in the beginning; it's only when the meeting begins that things go awry). And another thing I think that people miss about Mulan is that it's less a "girl power" story, and more a coming-of-age story about a teenager who learns about responsibility and duty. We have plenty of similar stories centered around boys, and it's just as important to have some centered around girls.
Indeed. In Confucian mindset, she embodies filial piety : her father is too old to go to war and has no son to take his place, she takes his place instead.
Compassion and need for a family are typically gender neutral. If anything they're masculine because men are the one out saving people from burning buildings or helping the elderly walk across the street etc., usually female compassion involves something a woman can directly benefit from. Needing to be with a family is also fairly characteristic of men - like, I've heard so many men say that they can't be properly happy without a wife and kids. Pretty sure personal hygiene isn't feminine either lol. Cologne exists for a reason.
I will say it in spanish, because my brain is tired of translate every time.
Para mí, Mulan es solamente una persona. Cada uno de nosotros tenemos caracteristicas de ambos sexos, porque así es el humano. Tener caracteristicas de uno, no nos hace que sean extremas. Mulan actúa por amor y honor a su familia. Ella no piensa en consecuencias o como se siente. Simplemente lo hace. No porque dentro de sí quiere ser hombre, sino porque es fue su decisión. Si ella tuviera una personalidad o pensamiento diferente, hubiera actuado diferente. Lo hizo en nombre del amor, no porque odiara ser femenina. Que no lo odia, solo no le gusta el maquillaje porque no se ve en el reflejo. No siente que el maquillaje la represente y eso está bien y eso no la hace una rebelde bad ass que nunca hemos tenido una y bla bla que buen ejemolo de mujer fuerte es Mulan. No, eso la hace ante todo humana y nos muestra un personaje profundo con sueños, miedos. Que actua con razones venidas de su razonamiento, por su crianza.
I was stuck in an abusive situation with my parents up until I was 30. It's been an intense source of shame for most of my life (even as a teenager, I felt like a coward for not having the courage to either leave or commit suicide to get away). THAT'S what a lifetime of being trapped in a toxic home does to you mentally!
So...yeah. It's upsetting to see rich idiots like Keira Knightly say shit like "Cinderella is a bad feminist and a bad role model because she was too weak to tell her step-family to fuck off and start a new life completely on her own!"
It's also sad that Knightly seems to think that she can mold her child's mind with movies instead of just raising her kid to be confident regardless of which fictional entertainment she chooses to enjoy.
BTW, I got out of my bad situation mainly because I met my fiancee and that gave me the emotional and financial support I needed to leave. I guess that means I need to turn in my "Strong Feminist" card because getting help from a man makes me a failure. :P
Sorry to hear that. But, yeah, bashing on characters like Cinderella is harmful, not good. If anything we should feel sorry for her and be happy that she got out but not bash on her.
If you do that, you aren't raising your voice for women in need of help, (as feminists like to say that's what they do)
but you shame them and make it even harder for them to get out of a situation like this, because of the stigma of these women being weak. (A message that, ironically, is usually spread by the ones who claim they want to help women: feminists)
@@araparth9106 That's why I'm not a modern day feminist. I feel like had I lived in the time period of it's need, I would've supported original feminism, but nowadays, it's become "What are the best ways to attack men and 'weak' women and what extra benefits can we get out of it all?"
@@elisakrivas It's the same for me. The definition of feminism and actual modern feminism have become two different things.
@@elisakrivas Idk but these people demeaning people who are weak are just there feeding their ego.
This is such a great point! I'm only seventeen and will not have kids for quite some time, so take this with a grain of salt. But, we don't need to guard kids from everything we don't agree with; in fact, it's so much better to expose them to it with you right beside them to tell them how you disagree with it. It gives them an opportunity to think for themselves (to a certain extent) and do some critical thinking through why you disagree with it. It's just like politics or debate -- you have to expose yourself to the other side of the argument so you know how to debate them; either you'll change your mind or you can further ground your own beliefs. If you don't, you're just ignorant.
Also, congratulations for making it out of that household. I'm sure your fiancée (probably wife by now - or did you mean fiancé (man)?) is lovely. :)
Seriously, every single person that has said Cinderella is a push-over or doesn't have a backbone or never did anything can't have possibly have watched this same movie. Yes, she's been in an abusive situation ever since she was a child, but she also stands up for herself several times throughout the movie and puts her foot down (like, in the scene in bedroom of her stepmother or when receiving the invitations for the ball). And the idea that her being stuck in an abusive situation since childhood and having managed to find some happiness in her every day life makes her weak is kinda shitty. And she literally tries to get away at THE FIRST CHANCE she gets. Yes, it was after the prince came along, but it was literally the only way for her to get out. She had nowhere else to go. And even when she was locked in the room, she still did everything in her power to get out. It was her idea to get the dog when Lucifer had one of the mice. She did all she could while being literally trapped. Anyways, hating on Cinderella isn't progressive and everyone that does can fight me.
Yeah I know what you mean. In addition they are just cartoons. It absolutely ridiculous how people read SO MUCH into these cartoons. I’m sorry, but if you take the time to say that a certain cartoon that tells ultimately a romance “sends the wrong message” then you are reading too much into that cartoon. In addition Cinderella was a very patient girl. No matter how cruel people were to her she never stopped down to their level which is also a form of strength.
What the hell is wrong with you? Can you be any more stupid? Cinderella never ever put her foot down for anything you stupid hop.
@Alison D lol okay then
@@alisond4914 This person literally gave examples while your sentence has nothing.
I agree 100%. I personally also find her to be smart, composed, resilient, and logical as well. When the invitation arrived, she read between the lines and asserted her right to attend the ball as well. When Anastasia and Drizella mocked her, she remained extremely level-headed and completely devoid of any self-pity by assertively stating, "Why not? I'm still a member of this family." She served up cold, hard facts that completely left her stepsisters stunned & speechless. Even someone as cunning and evil as Tremaine can't refute her statement because it's the truth. In my eyes, this scene shows that while Cinderella accepts her position in the household purely out of practicality, she knows perfectly well that she is (and always will be) her father's daughter and being forced into servitude will never change that or take away her hope that she will one day have a free & happy life. Despite her step family's attempt to degrade and abuse her, she never lost her sense of dignity and self-worth. She saw her chance to have a once in a lifetime experience, spoke up for herself in a manner that displays her unwavering hopeful outlook on life, and held her ground through pure reason in front of her abusers with quiet strength & poise. In the end, Cinderella wasn't saved by a prince or his kiss. It's own strong principles & moral compass that saved her. She is kind to everyone, especially to the vulnerable, and they in turn are completely loyal to her and worked *with her* to secure her freedom & happiness.
No one seems to criticize Quasimodo for staying with *his* abusive stepparent, even though he could literally just walk out. Cindy never displayed the acrobatics necessary to leave her tower through the window.
He still had a lot to fear too. That was a time period where if you looked disfigured, people thought you were of the devil and you should be burned! I wouldn't walk out of my bell tower either if I looked like he did. I 💚 Quasi though
Elisa Rivas not to mention that Frollo was a manipulative shit who made Quasi view him as the only one who could possibly accept him through emotional abuse
Even with all this. All that pressing down on him. He found hope. Same with Cindy. They work with what they had, found outlets, and so on. Which just makes them wonderful characters to that degree... by goodness, did those people completely went blindsight there? Geez.
Alia he was manipulated by Frollo his whole life to think that if he went outside, they would do horrible things to him (which was kind of true). cut the poor guy some slack, let’s not blame him OR Cinderella.
Line Wiik I think they mean people blame Cinderella since she's a girl but nobody blames quasi even tho he is in a similar situation
"Rescue yourself! Obviously." If anything, THAT mindset is what seems sexist to me--it implies that if a woman can't escape an abusive relationship, then it's her fault. And if you watch Cinderella (or read the original story), it's clear that Cinderella COULDN'T escape her stepfamily's abuse before going to the ball, because she had been a child for most of her life up to that point. (The same can also be said for Snow White, who was too young escape her own stepmother's abuse until the huntsman told her to run away from the castle.) When the ball was held, Cinderella took her chance to escape the relationship and was lucky enough to be the suitor that was chosen. Whether she intended it to get out of her bad situation or not, it certainly worked out that way.
However, even when women can escape an abusive relationship, they often choose not to for various reasons, especially fear. Studies have shown that married women who are abused by their husbands rarely get a divorce, typically because they are afraid of what their family and friends will think, or because they are concerned for how it will affect them, their husbands, and/or their children. It may seem easy for those of us who have never been in that situation to say those women should "rescue themselves, obviously," but for them it isn't as simple as walking out. In a way, it's not that far off from people who blame rape victims for being raped. So those of us who think we are being "enlightened" by saying that women should rescue themselves are actually doing exactly the opposite, demonstrating a patronizing and sexist attitude that women who can't control their circumstances are somehow "weak" for not trying to get out.
Dont forget that abuse victims have also been beaten down to the point that they think they deserve the abuse...so people victim blaming are basically taking the abuser's side of things.
This!!!^^
A family friend of mine who was also my babysitter was with an abusive man. What’s worse is that she had a child with him so that meant two victims of abuse. None of us knew until she left him and went to move in with her sister, who lives in Hawaii. When we found out, we were all furious and upset that the man who was supposed to love and honor her would ever abuse her and her child. Her story does have a happy ending, though. She and her son are living a great life with her sister and nephew.
@@meanncat3050 Yes!!!
Well said, HotWax93! Well said! :D
I hate the Disney princess bashing that has been going on, and people telling me I should relate more to characters like Moana instead of Snow White. There's nothing wrong with preferring the modern princesses, but don't go and tell me that I am wrong because I see more to Snow White and Cinderella than just people who wait around to be saved. There is a lot of compassion to these characters: kindness that bequeaths kindness in return. I thought those were virtues we want to teach people?
Because for SJWs, only woke women, especially transtrender lesbian demiboys, should have stories and movies. Never mind women who're stuck in conservative or abusive households, never mind women who're closeted in theocratic Muslim countries. They don't matter to first world "feminists".
@@alexo.1388 It's sad how true that is. And then they have the gall to say, "feminism is for everyone, even men," despite being so exclusive of certain groups so that they don't come across as biggots themselves.
@@alexo.1388
Not just role models for girls even. I'm a guy who grew up in a toxic abusive household, and I still found cinderella's story to be inspirational.
Of course SJW's seem to be so short on true empathy that they are unable to put themselves in the shoes of anyone who doesn't look, think, and behave exactly how they perceive themselves.
@@kyriss12 Thanks for sharing how it inspired you. That's so true. I've found Western conservatives at least are more tolerant and empathetic to listening to other views, while keeping their values of freedom in place. SJWs want to spread their narcissistic personalities and become dictators with their own arbitrary rules.
The fairy tales are European. Moana is Hawaiian/Maori. Our ancestors were nomads who traveled from island to island. Its a good tale. Unlike European's we expected more from our women.
I can't stand when a male character does something good or honorable, the act is always brushed off and their flaws are what "the real problem is" while when a female character does something even slightly rebellious, it's seen as better than sliced bread.
'Cause Arora did such a great job fighting the dragon Mileficent, and Ariel was really smart when she stabbed the sea monster Ursula in the butt with the ship for the one she loved...
Oh wait...
But when the nobility is humility like Ciderella and Snow White's servitude, mildness, and gentleness, it's viewed as bad that they're "conforming to gender roles" when in reality their trying their best to be good respectable women making the best of their situations.
Compassion is strength. And that's what Cinderella had in spades. She befriends the mice. Little creatures that most people see as pests. And while her friendship with them lands her in trouble (Gus accidentally getting carried off in the tea cup) she doesn't abandon them. Ever. Having compassion for those seen as the least of us, is a beautiful lesson.
We keep wanting to talk about having role models for young girls. I don't think we do. I think it's "I want a character to fulfill my wish and little girls be damned."
@@TheRisky9 Cinderella reminded me to always protect those weaker than me. Also that no matter how dark and cruel your world is, you can still be kind and generous. I think those are good lessons and I'm not sorry that's what I learned from Cinderella.
And it’s that compassion that saves her in the end. Her friends were willing to take on Lucifer if it meant freeing her. And earlier than that they worked hard to make a dress for her so she could go to the ball (which Cinderella was overjoyed with). Even though it gets destroyed later, the gesture was important.
That’s not to say that caring for others only matters when you can get something in return. Just that people overlook that her kindness and optimism got her her happy ending.
HOP!!!!
The Bored Enthusiast I have to say, I think “better than sliced bread” is the funniest phrase! And I totally agree with you. If we want to have a healthy society, boys and men need to be able to do good things without everyone saying that they are expressing “microsexism” towards females.
It takes a LOT of strength not to poison your abusive step family.
Especially when they give you a roof under your head. If Cinderella escaped in a way she'd end up starving on the streets.
Agreed
@@oliviine5620 under your head?
Yes, I mean she's the one who handled the house chores from cleaning to cooking. If she really want to escape and take revenge on her step family, she could just poison or arranged an accident that can lead them to their deaths. But no, she choose to stay patient and kind because she believes that she will be free one day from her evil step mother and sisters.
I feel like one day we will get a version where she gets fed up and kills them
Yes, Cinderella, a poor, young, single woman in France in the 17th century, definitely had the means and opportunity to just leave her house and survive somewhere else :) she toootally should have rescued herself. Obviously!
logic and fat single mother feminist do not go well together.
also, same public thinks that '50 shades of grey' is best romance ever.
So where do you think she's gonna get food, water, and shelter? She can't pay for food if she will eventually run out of money. And she's not going to be a stone age woman doing basic things to survive. At least she had a rich and aesthetic house where she could live.
Ah yes, she should leave her home and live on the streets where she will starve and die. Totally makes sense
@@julijakeit😂😂😂😂
I always admired Cinderella for her kindness and her patience.
I'm glad she got what she deserved by the end of the film.
Chrissi Kirkland me to also that her thinking was kindness and love are the truest way to be happy her pure love and joy in the worse place only the pure in heart could love that stepmother and sisters they were so cruel and she was always so true to herself and just kind we need more of that in this world
exactly, it's easier to be mean than kind, cinderella is the strong one
I'm seeing hating on Disney like a trend. They repeat the same arguments they have heard from someone else. Honestly, now that I've watched them as an adult I see how deep the stories and the characters are.
It's because Disney's the easy target. They're the big company when it comes to fairytales and animation. It's also because Disney adapts fairytales from centuries ago. And those stories don't exactly live up to modern standards.
@@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices they’re not a helpless victim, they’re a faceless company that doesn’t care about you.
@@mr.x2567 I'm not saying they're a victim, I'm just saying the stories they adapt don't live up to a "modern" standard.
Ho ho ho. It's aged as a wine
Why are people constnly trying to blame the victim? WHY? That is more problematic than these movies themselves will ever be. Bashing a character for needing help, or for not being ready to face something in their life and needing a boost of a nudge of a friend is wrong. Bacause guess what, we all need it sometimes. It's completely normal. It doesn't make a character weak or stupid. It makes them realistic.
I think that today people are confusing "strong characters" with "flawless characters". Which is a problem. Flawless characters are BORING AS HELL. Just because a film is showing something, doesn't mean a film is condoning it. The lion king never claims that Simba was right to not go with Nala straight away. But than it shows understanding of why he made the chices he made and has compassion for him in form of his cnversation with Rafiki. And that is much more important than just attacking and claiming "Well, you should've known better, you are in the wrong, you are stupid, it is your fault. You should be perfect all the time!"
People are not perfect. Characters are not perfect. And that is OK.
You're absolutely right. I actually find it very un feminist to hold up "perfect women" as examples for young girls when male characters are allowed to be flawed. Isn't that just reinforcing the gender expectations for girls to be perfect only now you've changed the definition of perfect to include being a badass? In real life people make mistakes and have to learn from them in a positive way, so seeing a flawed character do exactly that is way more uplifting than watching a Mary Sue kick ass for 2 hours. Also don't feminists hate it when women get victim blamed? So why do they do the same thing when talking about Cinderella or Snow White? It's never made sense to me.
@Flora Fauna I've never seen anyone bashing princesses who are more independent in order to defend princesses like Cinderella. If someone's doing that, it's obviously messed up. But I think hate towards more old fashioned princesses is wayyy more common.
@@princesseuphemia1007 Also having characters who are instantly good at EVERYTHING, regardlesa of gender, is also quite unrealistic. Even people who are simingly good at everything (I had this one classmat who was good at languages, science, maths, playing guitar, sports, dancing, cooking and was also quite charismatic) have to practice and/or study a lot (for example, said classmate reading advanced chemistry textbooks during breaks).
Showing a character struggling, or at least putting a lot of effort even if the don't struggle a lot is a lot more realistic and thus more relatable.
@@elenanojkovic2554 Yeah exactly! I find female characters who are good at everything . (*cough cough* I'm looking at you Rei from Star Wars) with next to zero training patronizing and insulting to women because it's like the writers think us fragile women are too dumb or too sensitive to handle a character that actually has to go through shit and has flaws, and additionally too many of these Mary Sue females put even more pressure on women to be "perfect" even if it's a more masculine type of "perfect" it's the same shit just in a different era. That's why I'm so in love with the female characters in Game of Thrones because whether they are feminine or masculine they all have their own personalities, strengths, and weaknesses, and act like real people which can actually be hard to find with female characters in most series who are just relegated to being one dimensional plot devices who advance the men's stories. Mary Sue girls may seem all empowering and feminist on the surface but dig a little deeper and they're actually the polar oppositte of that.
Case in point: The live action Cinderella movie. They kept saying how strong and intelligent and independent this new Cindy is but, when you really break down her character, she has no personality and her reason for staying with her step family is flimsy at best. She can't even take credit for her own happy ending as she got saved from her attic on accident. On freaking accident! Animated Cindy at least put some damn effort into her escape and she's been beaten down and abused since she was a small child. Yet she's the one considered the dumb little damsel? Bull.
Another thing with Nala is that the first time we see her as an adult, she's hunting Pumba, not looking for Simba.
Scar even told them that Simba was dead too, and I don't think she was actually searching for Simba himself. She wanted to help her pride and finding Simba was basically a miracle to her and probably the best way to get rid of Scar and help make her pride better.
Ah yes how could i forget pumba's iconic "SHE'S GONNA EAT MEH!!!!!!! "
I agree. In fact, in the Broadway musical, as well as a deleted scene in the animated movie, Nala initially ran away from Pride Rock because Scar had wanted her to be his queen (and create a host of little Scars as he put it) and even tried to force himself on her after she refused, all while she was trying to tell Scar about the conditions of the kingdom HE'S supposed to be ruling over.
Exactly. Simba asks Nala "Well what about you? You left" Nala replies "I left to find help. And I found you". She didn't specify Simba. She just wanted to find SOMEONE to help. And then she find out that Simba was actually alive.
Honestly saying being feminine is being weak is probably the most sexist thing anyone can say.
Implying that women who want to care for others, be good mothers, are humble, kind, and feminine are in some way weak or bad just because they “conform” is horrible. You don’t have to stand up and change who you are to be strong. Sometimes, strength is showing compassion in the darkest times, or being humble and level headed in the face of adversity. Sometimes strength is being brave enough to fight a dragon. Sometimes strength is the bravery to put on a smile when everything tells you not to.
The princesses are amazing role models. The earliest of them show us kindness and compassion. Dreams and caring. The modern ones show us how to be brave and outgoing, adventurous and motivated. Both types of strength are perfectly valid. For everyone. Not just our little girls, but our boys as well. You can bite me if you think Moana can’t be a role model for a young boy, or that Cinderella can’t teach ANY child how to keep a smile and hold onto their dreams.
Strength comes in all forms, and these princesses are amazing at telling the stories we need to teach about them.
Also being a mother takes a lot of strength. My mom is the strongest women I know.
EXACTLY
THANK YOU!!! Both kinds of Disney princesses are fine, the classics and the modern ones. One type doesn't have to cancel out the other. Both are fine. I've heard the younger generations say Snow White sucks because she's basically not Elsa, and the older generations say Elsa sucks because she's not Snow White. They're both different types of characters. I say let them be separate and distinct instead of shoving toxic and narrow minded viewpoints down other people's throats.
Well said~💟
snow white and cinderella are more stronger women than rey and live action mulan will ever be.
People simplify the stories. I think they don’t rewatch them and judge them based off foggy memories.
mana269 Exactly!
Exactly! I just wanted to write the same thing. They haven't watched the movie for years, or never watched it in the first place, and just repeat what they heard from other feminists. And since they hate these movies so much they also don't intend to watch it. But you shouldn't voice an opinion about a topic if you know absolutely nothing about it.
I can’t make any claims about this because it’s probably been a good 25 years since I’ve seen any of these Disney movies. I barely remember anything about them except how beautiful the animation and music were. I doubt I could even give a plot description.
I have lost track of how many times I have watched these movies or other tales like them. Just diving into the messages told and not told. Why? For me, they are important to a degree and should be over glance on a surface value. How many could these films teach shallowness is bad... *cough* the villains *cough* and such else.
Preach it!
I think it's pretty telling that your english teacher did not recognize the Lion King as a retelling of Hamlet...
Oh shit, I didn't even think of that.
Berta Vierlein can you imagine if you call him out with a "So you hate Shakespeare"? XD
Honestly, unbelievable. Who are schools hiring these days?
I would say better than Hamlet..Hamlet was not good with Ofelia, Hamlet was a woman hater and on his account Ophelia committed suicide. Simba was kinder and loved both his mother and Nala
@@stellarv5689 Take it from an Ophelia, Nala was a fantastic upgrade.
My biggest problem is when people are like, "Snow White and Cinderella are such superficial characters and their whole stories are written just so men can feel good about themselves! They're just plot devices in a movie about how awesome men are!" The Princes in those movies don't even have a name- and you're going on about how the main characters with hopes, dreams, and goals are superficial? The MEN. DON'T. EVEN. HAVE. A. NAME.
según google el de cenicienta se llama henry y el de blancanieves Florian, aun así esos nombres sean oficiales o no son años después de que salieran las películas
Snow White's prince was named Ferdinand, with the nickname "Florian". Cinderella's prince has the anonymous one since he's only known as Prince Charming.
They gave them names later so it would be easier to sell toys, like imagine trying to fill an order for Prince001 and wondering if they meant Prince007.
@@tkraid2575 I saw somewhere that apparently his name is Kit
the men are accessories and prizes that the princesses get for winning their story LMAO
Apparently the high school teacher forgot that Lion King is based on the ANIMAL KINGDOM! In the animal kingdom, it’s the lion who leads the pack, and the lionesses who hunt. 🙄
"Ariel gives her voice for a man in TheLittleMermaid" - Do these people even watch the movies?
Ariel literally had a 3 minute song about how much she'd love to be a human and she even said: "What would I give to spend a day out of these waters, what would I pay to spend a day warm on the sand"
Well, I guess the price was her voice. What gave her the boost to really become a human was her bad-tempered father destroying all of her collections that she'd probably spend years finding... (pretty much what the video said as well)
Anyway, what I am trying to point out is that these people need to stop watching these movies in a feminist way focussing only on the "emotional girl dropping everything to marry a guy she just met", because this is not what is happening...
Btw, I love Ariel! One of my favourite princesses!
Also, she sang Part of Your World before she knew Eric existed. He was a reinforcement, not the sole motivator like a lot of people say.
@@strawberrysoulforever8336 I get pissed at daft reactors who bash Ariel just for be attracted to Eric when she sees him for the first time. As if feeling romantic passion for someone who has something in common with you is crime. And the dating thing is heightened in the teen years. It's like misandrist want girls to be bitter and angry by hating men all the time. And never feel any kind of happiness whatsoever.
Not to mention that Eric happens to be Ariel's ticket to remain human and live the life that makes her happy after going through a display of abuse. A parent destroying the things that make you happy in a fit of range would obviously make you not want to live a life with said parent. Ursula took advantage of this and 'offered' Ariel that opportunity to live with humans.
I love this comment section
@croziesour9734 Even if Ariel did get married at 16, she wouldn't have been considered too young during her time period.
My graphic design teacher who used to work at disney even pointed a lot of these same arguments that you had made with both cinderella and ariel. That the things they wanted to do and overcome were not based on them wanting or being saved by a man, those were just “bonuses” the character got more or less. Good example was in the little mermaid, ariel didnt want to become a human JUST to be with a guy. She even sang a song about wanting to be human before she even met eric! Then after she did meet him, she then kind of got a crush on him and saw it as a bonus to the human world. She saw him as someone fascinating to her and she didnt actually fall in love with him until a few days into the fact she was already human. Anyway, good analysis, I totally agree :)
She told her dad that she loved him which made him very angry and so he destroyed all her human possessions.
Plus, Ariel actually was the one who saved Eric, when his ship wrecked, she saved him from drowning and brought him back to shore. If anything she’s a hero! Not a damsel in distress!
How does Cinderella wait around for a prince to save her? She just wanted one night off to have fun and the prince came to her. Lighten up, it's a fairytale!
Also, a lot people forget that fairytales are metaphoric and aren't meant to be taken literately.
If you’re going to look at it with real life prospective than we should look at at what Cinderella’s choices really were I mean a life of servitude or starvation in the streets or a workhouse. Cinderella though abused had a roof and food
It’s ~okay~ to need help sometimes. Not everything is a solo mission. Needing help from others isn’t a sign of weakness. Kindness and humility aren’t signs of weakness.
alize0623 amen to that !!!
Yeah if humanity only valued your ability to do things for yourself without help, we would certainly never have formed the civilizations we have, and likely would have even gone extinct ages ago. Humans' main strength is strength in numbers
Lucalina Dreemur I would say humanities mainstrength is adaptability. Need to have independant explorers/settlers/other jobs, we can do that. Need complex groups to build stuff/etc, we can do that too.
And there's nothing wrong with being weak.Not every battle is worth fighting for when it drains your energy wasting time on toxic people
Feminism:
- don't blame the victmim!
Also feminism:
- blame cinderella!
edit: bruh i'm a feminist as well, i'm not saying feminism is trash or anything, it's just that there is fights and disagreements between the feminist movement, after all different women are in there and some people just don't know what they're talking about.
Don't use what I say to be against feminism, because it's just a exageration for comedic purposes.
@@t3chkn1ght 😂😂😂😂😂
Cinderella: *is kind, caring and optimistic*
Feminists: You're a bad role model!
T3chKn1ght feminazisum you mean? (Yes, I know I spelled it wrong)
aye yes cause being a feminist is about devaluing other women for not "standing up for themselves" eventhough if they did that in their abusive situation it would be a life or death situation and bringing them down for being traditionally feminine and deeming it as "weak"
@@t3chkn1ght no no no no no no those aren't feminists those are misandrists the female equivalent of a mysoginist feminists are against sexism no matter what gender
One question…
What exactly is *wrong* with falling in love?
Why do modern critics think female characters need to be a Mary Sue to be valid? No weakness or desires, no faults, no one can help them, no man can hold open a door. What tf is the lesson there?? Be perfect and strong already? If you have any flaws or weaknesses or love someone other than yourself-you’re not good enough. Great message.
Now you understand why so many people hate Wanda in the MCU--she's the most Disney Princess-esque lady superhero. Even the damned writers seem to have hated her (hence MoM...only acceptable way to be a woman is to be either aggro and cold like Clea, lesbian like America Chavez, or both like Carol Danvers. There is nothing wrong with being lesbian obviously, but there is nothing wrong with a woman falling in love with a man either.)
@@ERuth0420 yes! There’s a reason the stories that still have impact hundreds and even thousands of years later are heroic tales, but also love stories, and most have elements of both! It’s like modern writing is attempting to abandon the basic premise of human storytelling to push agendas. That never ages well. The foundation of storytelling is love, friendship, adventure, relying on others when you need to, family values. Acting like all of those things are just chosen randomly, can and should be replaced, and that these qualities are not deeply ingrained human traits is giving us the worst stories of history! 90% aren’t even original smh. They wanna rewrite humans yet they STILL can’t come up with a unique idea to save their lives 😂
In the first part of Part of Your World, she doesn't even sing "Part of your world." She says, "Part of THAT world." She doesn't even care about Eric at first, because she hasn't met him yet.
I think its ridiculous that these people are bringing modern sensibilities to older films and making unfair criticisms. This mentality is why we have so few interesting female leads in Disney anymore.
All they feel comfortable giving us now are boring Mary Sues like Rey with very little flaws. That is just as problematic for girls than any 'damsel in distress' character.
I don't know about for "little girls" but I actually cared what happened to Cinderella when I watched it as a little boy, I became invested in her story and wanted her to succeed. Rey, not so much.
Sailor Mercury I feel like Cinderella represents as strong figure that goes through life living with kindness and empathy for all around her, even when the times get tough and unfair, she doesn’t let that deter her nor bring her down, she accepted help when she needed it, she found positivity even when her life appeared terrible, her story is enlightening and Cinderella is a strong person, I can relate to her as a person
People are ignorant to the fact Disney didn't write or create the fairy tales.
Enrique Cortez Yeah, but a lot their movies are so far removed from the source material that it’s basically just their own thing like Frozen and The Little Mermaid.
sonofccn yeah like honestly who is more interesting Cinderella: an abuse victim who learns to love herself and fights tooth and nail to get her happy ending through kindness or some bitch like Elsa who’s only personality trait is independent
You know what I always especially liked about Cinderella? She never let abuse and cruel mistreatment change her into a cruel person. So many abuse victims or bully victims tend repeat the cycle. Feel the need to hurt or lash out at others to deal with their pain but she doesn't do that. She doesn't use her suffering as an excuse to be mean. She still remains kind and good and she doesn't repeat the cycle. She gets big points from me for that.
Some of the points that people make are understandable as some princesses are saved by the prince in the end. However, I think people tend to forget 1) the context of the story's narrative time frame and 2) when the movies were made that can make or break a story. Historically speaking - half of the stories told are old fairytales that have been altered and changed since their existence. Heck the Brother's Grimm & Hans Christen Anderson's versions were so much more darker than what we have seen today. And historically speaking: it was normal for a woman to wait for the man. But also when the movies were made is important to remember - Snow white was the first movie Disney made and it was showing values of positive female traits at the time plus adding elements to the story. Especially Cinderella that showed a hard working girl that smiled and tried her best given the crap she was given her whole life.
My point is: you want to bash on Disney, that is fine. But just know that these are their renditions of the same story that was told centuries ago. Fairy tales are allowed to be made differently as people see fit - as for Knightly - banning fairy tales is not the best way to go.
"Some of the points that people make are understandable as some princesses are saved by the prince in the end."
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What the hell is wrong your teacher simba was trauma tized by his fathers death i think any one would have issues with responsibility after they lost their loved one
It's not so much losing a loved one as the way he was raised. He had no fatherly figure after the stampede scene and so didn't learn the valuable lessons that Mufassa would have taught him. He also saw his father die in front of him and believed himself to be responsible for it. To make matters worse, his friends Timon and Pumbaa's whole philosophy was to not care about your problems and move on. While moving on from irrelevant past mistakes is important, it heavily distanced him from learning to responsibly deal with issues that hold relevancy; hence why Nala had to try so hard to convince him to come back and teach him of his responsibility.
And just to add, he knew if he was to return, he would have to confront his uncle which was also the one who killed his father.
@@rociolinares208 Well yeah, but he didn't know Scar was bad until he found adult Nala and she told him. He thought he was responsible for his father's death; and I imagine that is what he was afraid of having to face. Then Scar just added onto that.
Kristen Dean--It wasn't solely the trauma of watching his father get trampled to death. It was further tormenting to him when his own uncle (whose duplicitous behavior the cub Simba was too young to understand) insisted that Simba had to run away as the uncle insisted Simba was the cause of his father's death.
@@peeblekitty5780 tbf that Hakuna Matata mentality kept Simba from killing himself from dealing with all that grief and PTSD.
I think another issue I have is when I hear people say “Why couldn’t Cinderella just leave?” to which I respond “Well where would she go.” I don’t know if they had any women’s homes or shelters around that time (thou I highly doubt it) but she would probably have been starving in the streets with no other family or friends to go to. So sadly I guess a roof with nasty people over your head is better then no roof at all.
We know what would of happened, the same thing that happened to fontine in le mis. She would have died homeless or become a whore and probably die of an STD
There's was always the world's oldest profession......lol
@@ilovemickyandhelove1 i would like disney daring to do it but it's never happening
I have to do more research but Churches and other places did take in the homeless and vulnerable for care but much like the modern day it could get crowded and less than ideal.
@@JurassicReptile even if settlements didn't have charity the way we use it in modern times, she could have become a Nun.
However idk if living a chaste life for God (as free from men as it would be), would be the optimal feminist option for her time period.
I was nine when I first heard people talk bad about Cinderella especially from that Cheetah Girls song, Cinderella, that talks about how she waits for a man to rescue her and how they would rescue themselves. It really took me aback because I always viewed Cinderella as a hero and a wonderful character and I never knew that characters like her could be so down talked upon. Once I entered my teen years I started believing what people were saying about Cinderella and looked at her as a weak princess even though I still loved her despite it. Honestly, it wasn’t till high school and when I started learning more about abusive relationships was when I started thinking,
“Wait a minute, if victims can’t get out of abusive relationships then what’s wrong with Cinderella why is she getting all of the flak?”
Heck, I remember watching Cinderella when I was seventeen and in my early 20’s and being really taken aback by it. Heck, right at the part when she is first leaving the Prince she actually uses the excuse that she actually had to go and meet the Prince. I literally had to rewind that just to see if I heard her right. I was shocked to see that she didn’t know that she was with the Prince all along. It made me see a different view on her and realize that she is just as misjudged upon as Ariel, my favorite Disney Princess, and Belle.
People who judge Cinderella clearly don’t know a single thing about abusive relationships. Lol
I agree with you. I hate it when people underestimate Cinderella. I hate it when people don't understand what she truly stands for. Cinderella has been my favourite Disney Princess since I was 6 (now I'm 18). Funny thing is that because of Cinderella blue became my favourite colour (before that pink was my favourite colour).
I still love Cinderella and my love for her story is increasing day by day.
Samridhi Sharma I know how you feel. Ariel has been my favorite Disney Princess ever since I was a little girl. It gets on my nerves that people assumed that she gave up on everything just for a man. I admit I was worried that I couldn’t find anything to defend her but lately I’m starting too see more defenses towards her and it makes me smile. I especially saw it for myself once I watched the movie again just as I did with Cinderella. What’s with that anyways? Lol
Ariel wants to be more independent and she feels like she belongs more in the human world than she does for the ocean life and Eric was just a full catapult to that. I’m just glad to see that Ariel can be well defended too especially by how much I love her so.
So I know how you feel with Cinderella being so talked down upon Ariel suffers the same fate too.:(
@@andreasmeelie1889 I agree. I think every Disney Princess has something to tell and teach everyone. Cinderella has inspired me a lot just like how Ariel must've inspired you. Thanks for understanding :)
Samridhi Sharma thank you for understanding:) Cinderella has inspired me just as much. In fact, every one of the princesses inspires us and teaches us something!
By the way, all of this talk about Cinderella made me want to watch it again so I just literally finished watching it. I have to say I enjoyed Cinderella’s spunk and how despite her kindness she has moments of having a backbone or being sarcastic when someone is mean. It’s interesting how classics like Cinderella still holds up after all those years.
I also have to defend the Prince here. Everybody always wonders why he came up with the fitting the right shoe idea when really it was his Dad whom came up with that not him. Though, I don’t know why he didn’t come along. Lol
Still rewatching it just proved to me much more that people need to see the movie again before judging upon it because clearly they don’t remember all of it. Lol, kind of reminds me how even famous lines or catchphrases can be misquoted. Lol 😂
I should really pop in The Little Mermaid if I ever get the chance now. I should after all watch my own favorite Disney Princess especially after watching yours. It’s more fun that way.😊
@@andreasmeelie1889 thank you :) Like you said, I love other Princesses as well. I als feel like we share many traits with Princesses and their stories can inspire us. All Disney Princesses are wonderful in their own right. And I agree with that point of yours.
From a historical perspective, when Disney first released many of the princess films, the characters were revolutionary at the time. Cinderella in the 1950s audience, was ladylike, but still has her own stance of values and voice against her authority figures, which was astounding to see in film (family oriented) especially.
You hit the nail on the head when you started to talk about her criticisms on The Little Mermaid, because i really like that movie and i have always getting tired of how much modern feminist tend to nitpick the hell of that movie just because they see it as "problematic".
Another thing that bothers me its how some people say that the movie teaches bad lessons and morals because Ursula in her song says "You'll have your looks! Your pretty face! And don't underestimate the importance of body language, Ha!" and that teaches girls that they should only rely on their looks to get the man that they want. Did they forgot that Ursula its the villain of the movie? i mean she even said that just to convince Ariel that getting Eric to kiss her was going to be easy, but as soon as Ariel finds Eric its proven that her looks are not enough, that Eric though she was someone else cuz Ariel didnt had her voice, so if anything the movie teaches that you cant find true love just based on looks alone.
I really enjoyed this video and i hope you make more like this, dont get me wrong, seeing your opinions on the She-Ra reboot episodes its fun, but a little of variety like this could make your channel more fun to watch even if this videos dont do as good as those.
Admittedly it is ironic how the moral of the story was completely switched around from the original where Ariel gave up everything for the chance to get a guy who she had only watched from afar. Only to have the guy ignore her because he was already engaged and didn't know anything about the creepy mute girl. In the end her time ran out, she turned into sea foam, and the moral of the story seemed to be a cautionary tale against betting everything on obsessive infatuation.
@@kyriss12 Its Disney, they always have changed the fairy tales they addapt into movies from the beggining.
@@saviox8197 Do note that Hans Christian Anderson himself changed the ending to be be more upbeat: because of her choice to sacrifice herself rather than the price, she is mode into something akin to a wind spirit, with the potential to earn a soul and enter Heaven.
I've actually been annoyed that I've had to explain to people that Ariel went to Ursula in the first place because of her father. I mean, think about it; she did say that she wanted to swim to his castle and try to meet Eric as a mermaid (and hell, she's a teenager; what's to say she wouldn't have forgotten all about him had she met a cute merboy who, I don't know, was just as fascinated with humans as she was?). She was only able to be manipulated by Ursula's hencheels because her father overreacted and blew up all of her human artifacts (teenager's irrational actions being driven by parents overreacting and being less mature than their children; what a surprise). Yeah, he wanted to protect her, but intent doesn't matter; action does!
I'm not alone in defending the little mermaid ....
HURRAY!!!
(Dance party!)
As a guy, I find it really strange that Disney pushes the princess movies to girls (movies that teach great lessons about perseverance, caring for others, and following your dreams) and turn around and push the boys to like pirates (who historically and in Disney's own films were selfish outlaws).
I'd love to see Disney make *prince* movies that teach lessons that teach young men the same lessons the princess films teach, just with more action-packed battles to draw the boys in.
I feel like the only prince movie out there technically is Aladdin actually.
@@andreasmeelie1889 I saw an interview with one of the people that worked on Aladdin (a writer or director, I think) and he said they intentionally put the spotlight more on the male lead, as previous Disney princes were, and I quote, "cardboard heroes".
Tarzan is kind of a prince movie...kind of...
Benjamin Grist I’m not really surprised to hear that I actually wondered about that guess I wasn’t wrong. Lol
I absolutely agree. As much as I lament that these young girls don’t know how to find a good man these days, these young men don’t know how to be the good men we deserve. It stands to reason that one of the most attractive men in the Disney canon is Aladdin, the star of one of the few ”prince” movies.
Honestly, I grew up watching older Disney movies, never once did I think those princesses were a bad example. After all, let's look at the facts:
Cinderella: Imma work my ass off despite having the world against me so I can go out and party
Snow White: I'll help these poor kids who clearly have no one to look after them and maybe they'll also help me in return
Sleeping Beauty: fuck rules, gonna talk to the weird stranger
Plus, as a bonus, the three (female) fairies be like: this prince is useless tho, better guide him step by step
Ariel: Imma go and find out how the world really works even if it means disobeying my hyperprotective and slightly overbearing father
Seriously, I like the new princesses, but the older ones are just as fine, what I don't like is how there seems to be a trend now of telling girls they have to kick ass constantly in order to be worthy of being women
I would also add to Snow White that what some folks said was stupidity was basically her kindness. Also it's tacky to criticize someone for not having the same information you have. The audience knows the old woman is the evil queen, but there's no reason Snow White would know that for certain. Snow was more worried of not helping a poor old woman that ending up hurt. She was acting in accordance to her character. If you took this situation out of the fairy tale and applied it to real life, it would look really bad to see someone turn away an old woman who needed help, especially out of concern for one's own safety.
funny enough the "strong female character" is very bland and unrealistic compared to the older Disney princess
@@TiffanyRay I actually don't like a lot of the newer princesses TBH. They're too busy being gruff and tough to really have a lot of complex personality or show much affection to others.
I'm not hating on Snow White, but she _was_ breaking and entering. But then again, she was all alone in the dark woods and was just told that her stepmom wanted her dead. So how much can we really condemn her? We should be condemning the prince for finding a random girl in the woods and deciding to kiss her!
@@thunderbird1921 Well apart from Moana and Anna from Frozen.
I had not seen Cinderella as a little kid. And seeing it as an adult... I was dissapointed. I had imagined a love story. This was everything but a love story.
The prince got so downplayed, he didn't even get to put the shoe on Cinderella. But.... after seeing it multiple times, because my 4 year old daughter is seriously addicted to it, I can see why they did that.
By downplaying the prince, the focus is only on Cinderella. On her not giving up hope, of believing in good. Her almost giving up, was what summoned the fairy god mother, but only almost.
She represents a very feminine heroine, all that is virtuous in a woman. Hard working, gentle, sometimes firm, still has her dignity after all the abuse. And since it is all her virtue that gets the stone rolling out of the abuse, she does in a sense rescue herself.
Her step mother on the other hand is jealous, petty, sneaky and mean The exact opposite. Positive femininity and toxic femininity as opposites in this movie. It is genius!
Nala also wasn’t looking for Simba, she thought he was dead. She was looking for ANY help for her pride as well as food.
Two things.
1. I really want to challenge Keira Knightley, to say those words right in the face of people who are in a Abused Relationship.
(My sister was in a abused relationship and she didn't save herself. Her abuser did that, when he divorced her)
2. Finally someone who understands the little mermaid!!!!
I always end up defending that movie to people with deaf ears.
I am very sorry for your sister. I hope she is better now.
@@morianarnia9356 Fortunately, yes.
After almost starving herself to death for almost 2 years, she finally managed to get back up, and is finally back to be the happy active woman she was, before they got married.
@@irisravenhild9060 I am glad to hear that. Let's hope that from now on she will have a better life. That goes for you as well.
It's frustrating to see people lsrgely misunderstanding such very simple yet complex stories.
Yeah, and the problem in the 21st century is some people repeating the same social issues (like acting like society hasn't progressed enough when it actually has progressed hugely) and by acting like the "political correctness police" (which I hold unapologetic disdain for), and nitpicking every old story because of it "not meeting modern standards" when it doesn't MATTER. Stories tend to products of their time, and we must not automatically assume the present is "superior" to the past. Every time period, whether it's the 20th century or this current decade, will have its own set of problems.
Thank you! I hate that it's trendy to hate on the princesses because they aren't "the perfect women". Which ironically would be the opposite of being feminist if they were.
yeah another thing about the Lion King is that imo the journey of Simba from a child to a King is a really important part, so we see him run from his fears and avoid responsibility before finding his courage, but SJWs don't understand transformation stories because they are so insecure. Any character showing flaws is immediately dismissed as a garbage person doomed forever. In a 2018 Lion King Mufasa and Simba and Nala are all a-mazing from the start and after they discover that Scar is consorting with hyenas they publicly and humiliatingly defeat him with ease and then laugh about it. Then there are some jokes and pop culture references.
KlumsyK what’s SJW?
@@andreasmeelie1889 social justice warriors. basically, a group of feminists who have gone too far. they claim to fight for diversity, but they bash men and see traditional femininity as weak. they are the source of many a controversy in recent years
@@andreasmeelie1889 it’s a buzzword people call others when they think they’re retarded
A lot of people forgot that Cinderella was made during the Depression era in America. So the message about keep being kind, hardworking, and hopeful so one day you'll get a happy ending, is to keep people's hope up during those hard times. And she was actually Walt Disney's favorite princess because he relates to her. Plus the film's message still holds up today, to keep being kind and have compassion for others. Cinderella is a great princess and heroine and I stand by that
While I agree with your assessment of Cinderella being great, she is my personal favorite, you are a little bit off with the time frame. The Great Depression in America occurred during the 30's and Cinderella was released in 1950. The movie came out at a time when post-war America was experiencing a boom in prosperity.
That movie was made in 48, well after the Depression ended. But the audience certainly lived through the Depression (and subsequently WWII), so they knew what hardship was.
Snow White was made during during the depression era
These are some very good points! Also, to add to the Lion King argument, remember when Simba threw Scar off the cliff on the end, he survived but the *hyenas* learned thanks to Simba that Scar was never really on their side and finished him off. If Nala was the one who killed Scar, it would be seen as rebellion and they would've attacked her and maybe kill all the other Lions and the Pride would've become extinct.
Not to mention it'd harm the brilliance of the Scar death we already got.
no the other lioness were feed up with Scar too.
PrincessofEllabur i think they were saying the hyenas would attack the lions, not the lions attacking Nala
Than Scar would've gotten beaten by a girl if that movie had been made in 2019,but today's male villains get beaten by girls, and it's about like 67% of the time now. It's fine with me.😀
It ticks me off to no end when people say, "The only reason Ariel wanted to go to the surface world was because of a MAN". Ariel had a huge fascination with the surface world WAY before Eric. I'm pretty sure Part Of Your World first happened before she met him. And I agree with what you said about wanting to go against Triton.
When you think about it thought, most of the princesses don't originally look for a guy. They just so happen to stumble upon them and find love along with what they wanted. Like Cinderella or Repunzel. Both wanted to get out the house/tower and ended up finding a guy.
Also what wrong with a girl wanting to find love and be in a relationship with someone
@Ariel Smith Well, maybe is Elsa was a better sister, more caring and loving, Anna wouldn't feel the need to marry a twist villain she met 5 minutes ago xD
I feel that people praise female characters the most when they prove to be 100% independent and able to do things on their own without any man involved. This is a very limited perspective, and while we've had a lot of male protagonists going to the big fight by themselves, that notion is being subverted nowadays with stories that praise teamwork and compassion. So yeah, I want female protagonists to also be team players and kind, which looks like weakness and dependency on the surface but are very strong traits when you think about it.
I love Disney princesses and it’s annoying to see so many ppl against them.
welcome to the 21st century
But they are unrealistic!!!!!!!!
Good point
@@TiffanyRay yeah the wonderful 21st century😑😒
Kiera Knightley played Elizabeth Bennet in Pride and Prejudice, she of all people should know how few if any rights women had in the old days.
Maybe she forgot, I wouldn't blame her, she looked completely checked out the entire movie.
@@opheliapurple Honestly she looks kinda stoned in every movie I've seen her in lol I love the book and I enjoyed the movie but she definitely could have done better or they could've found someone better.
Funny thing is, even in Victorian Britain, the women still had 10-50x more freedom and rights than those in Ancient Greece. Greeks in Athens usually didn't even let their women out of the house except to go to funerals or visit other women inside their houses (they were banned from attending plays, etc.). It makes complaints of today's feminists look ridiculous most of the time.
@@thunderbird1921 i think pride and prejudice is during the regency era, not victorian?
True. And on top of that, Darcy basically *RESCUED* Elizabeth and her sisters from disgrace after Lydia's scandalous elopement. I've read the novel and watched all the adaptations (the 1995 version is *far* superior...just putting it out there 😌). During the entire mess with Lydia and Wickham, Lizzy and her sisters basically had no choice but to sit around and wait for the men (Uncle Gardiner, Mr. Bennet, & Darcy) to fix the entire mess. It just makes Knightley's comment that women should "rescue themselves" even more hypocritical and shallow. Cinderella, too, had very few choices...her only options were:
1. Stay with her abusive stepfamily.
2. Be homeless and beg on the streets.
3. Find employment with another rich family and endure the same or worse mistreatment.
If I was Cinderella, I'd chose the first option. At least she could find some solace in the familiar environment of her home where she spent her childhood with her father and mother.
I love it when people love Disney Princesses and recognize the moral lessons they teach! Kindness, humility, compassion, love, inner strength, befriending the weak or caring for those who are in a lesser social position, staying positive-minded, learning from your past mistakes, forgiveness, hope, loyalty, faithfulness and so much more. And honestly, who cares if a Prince happens to jump in and save the princess in some way! I've never understood that ridiculous argument. After all the struggles some of those girls went through, good for them, that a handsome, brave, kind Prince comes along to offer them a better life!
Amen to that! God bless you!
@@catersmagicamindeed 😊
I never got the Arial thing. Both my parents were prone to sudden fits of rage like that and if someone had offered me a way out, even a crappy one, I might have taken it. And the thing is, all the princesses try to better their own situation in their own way. To me, it seems like they just get bashed for not being masculine enough. As if traditional femininity is bad.
Cinderella wasn't even thinking about the prince when she heard about the invitation. She just wanted to have fun and freedom even just for one night. The prince just happened to fall in love with her, vice versa. Cinderella also saved herself in the end by conjuring up enough courage to show the other pair of slipper to the duke even when her stepsisters and stepmom are looking. Marrying the prince was an opportunity for her to get out, but that wouldn't have happened if she chickened out. Cinderella is a brave character.
Cinderella: Never waits for a Prince/ man/ rich guy. She never even wanted to meet the prince, no prince, or any man, is mentioned in ''A dream is a wish your heart makes''. Also when she goes to the ball, as you said, she really just goes there because she want to have fun. She is trapped in her own house and finally wants to enjoy herself just for one night. Even when she leaves the ball at midnight she doesn't even know the prince is the prince, she just thinks he is a normal guy. She only finds out about this later. So finding a men was never her intention.
And besides no one mentions that this could be seen sexist towards men too, I mean the prince doesn't get a name and is forced to marry someone he doesn't love. If the tables were turned and this was a princess people would complain about this being anti-feminist to no end.
Ariel: wanted to be part of the human world before she ever met Eric. She has her whole collection of human things and sings Part of Your World before having ever seen him. Also if she wants to be human and marry the guy she loves- so what? It's her decision, it's not anti-feminist, she isn't pressured into doing that, no man forces her, she does it in spite of what her father, Sebastian and Flounder (all 3 are males btw) want. So you can consider giving up your voice for a man (it's not just a man but anyway) a bad decision- that's one thing, but don't play the sexist card, it has nothing whatsoever to do with it. So she gives up her life underwater for a man and because she likes life there better- it's what she wants, no one pressured her into doing it, and she is happy with that choice. Just because other people would have made a different decision doesn't mean it's anti- feminist. In a way it makes her very independent and strong because she defied her father and the whole merpeople society by deciding to save a man and later marrying him because it's her dream- that actually is feminist.
Nala: is not the truthful heir to the throne. Defeating Scar wouldn't automatically make her queen, she isn't next in line, Simba, on the other hand, as the son of Mufasa, is the true king. ALSO: Nala NEVER searches for Simba, she as well as all the other lions believes he is dead, she even confirms this in the movie. She met him coincidentally while hunting. She went so far away from home because there was no more food at home. It was a lucky coincidence she met Simba.
Mulan: isn't that feminist, I just watched the movie yesterday. She knows if she doesn't fight her father will have to, and even then she only makes her decision after seing how her father breaks down after practicing fighting (she realizes he would not survive, but her father has his mind set on fighting anyway) and after being him say goodbye to her heartbroken mother. In the beginning, she absolutely accepts that she will have to become someone's wife and does her best to make a great bride and impress the matchmaker. She never defies her father and says it's unfair she should marry someone she doesn't love. Yes, she sings in Reflection that this is not what she wants, but she would never be brave enough to say that to her family. She never talks about wanting to join the army. There are several scenes that show that she is a bad fighter and only wins fights by either luck or using her brain.
Instead of becoming the emperor's adviser (certainly the first woman that was ever offered such a thing) she decides to go home and stay with and help her parents. She also has a love interest and he was the one who taught her most of her fighting skills. Also all these sexist thing that are said in the movie- she never speaks up to this unfairness, she just accepts it, she is no woman rights ambassador.
Don't get me wrong I like her, but in terms of feminism she is just too overrated and the other Disney princesses to underrated.
Everyone just decides to focus on Mulan's strong parts and the other princesses weak parts.
Kimberly mack I completely agree with what you wrote. I also think Mulan’s feminism is overrated. What’s annoying is that Mulan fans shove it down your throat how she’s supposedly so feminist & where the other Disney Princesses are not & I think that is a load of crap. You can argue that Sleeping Beauty is feminist because of Flora, Fauna, & Merryweather (the 3 good fairies). Without Flora, Fauna, & Merryweather, Maleficent would have killed Prince Phillip & Aurora would have been dead. It’s a shame a lot of feminists don’t see it that way. I think they get too hung up over the fact that Aurora gets rescued by Prince Phillip. I also think the reason why the 3 good fairies get ignored by feminists is because they’re old ladies. It goes to show you how ageist society can be.
Exactly! In Sleeping Beauty the only ones with magical powers and the most powerful people in the movie are women- the three fairies and Maleficent. They have most of the screen time.@@arielanderic
@@araparth9106 It makes me so angry when feminists trash Sleeping Beauty.
Aurora is actually my favorite Disney princess *goes into hiding from feminists*@@arielanderic
@@araparth9106 What do you like about Aurora out of curiosity? People say she's boring but I'm not sure if I agree with that.
I'd let my hypothetical child watch Cinderella or sleeping beauty before I let them watch frozen
I feel like Frozen got popular because Elsa got cool powers. I would also let my child watch old classic Disney movies they taught good moral lessons, unlike the modern ones.
I really don't like how Disney princesses are now. As a guy, I have NO PROBLEM with a strong heroine style princess, but the attitudes a lot of these newer ones have stink to high heaven. They usually come across as bossy, loud and honestly very rude. Why can't a princess be strong (maybe even a warrior) AND still be incredibly humble, loving and caring toward those around them? Very upsetting to say the least.
I don't like how elsa had to be dragged back as a prisoner. I wish she would have owned up to the fact that she messed up and went back on her own.
@@thunderbird1921 I think the Hurcules animated series did this lesson and did it better. Talked about how men and women can be caring and do both "girl things" like cooking and "guy things" like fighting. You can be a bit of each. And the husband of the Amazon lady is a sweet caring dad. I'd kill for even a moment with a dad like that!
@@hannajmendoza8080 nah, the modern lessons ain't shit, The Prinncess And The Frog teaches the value of work ethic, Tangled teaches about kids about gaslighting, and Frozen taught kids that being there for your family helps through rough times
I also just want to point out that Nala wasn't looking for Simba, she was just looking for help. In fact, Scar announced to the lionesses that Simba died along with Mufasa, so she had no reason to look for him specifically.
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Yes, and the broadway version even expands upon that. In the play, under Scar's rule the lions and hyenas are both frustrated that there is lack of food in the Pridelands. Scar himself is frustrated that he can't find a queen and ends up trying to hit on Nala. Nala gets the blessing of Rafiki and the Lionesses to leave and so happens to run into Simba in the process.
Oh, Hollywood feminists being hypocritical by victim-blaming. That's /so/ surprising (sarcasm). 🙄
You referring to rape they most likely never experienced? Yeah, I gotcha
@@oliviine5620 who is talking about rape? Wtf.
Screw kira Knightley's rich ass. oh good for you and not needed a man's money. Jackass
As much as I agree with you on feminists having hypocritical views, sarcasm only makes you sound stupid and lame.
@@yunidai16
you kinda of sound JUST like those hypocritical "feminists" who have hypocritical views
Cinderella defense: She didn't go to the ball for a man, she wanted to go to a party and have fun. He went to her.
Little Mermaid: She wanted to be human before seeing Eric. He became a bonus along with being human.
Also Cinderella was saved by her pet dog and mice.
Dogs = woman's best friend. 🐶
She was locked in a room in a tower with no way out. what would you do?
Saved by the strong friendships she made during her most rougher times in a family she thought would do the same. It's a very done branch there.
@@o0Scarrow0o Jump out the window? I don't think that would be a good thing to show kids
Exactly because she had treated them with such kindness that they repaid her by saving her! How is that not a good message for children!
I don't know why people think Elsa is empowered and old princesses are coward.
Elsa simply ran away from everyone when things went wrong for her.
I actually remember Cinderella being sassy in original film tbh. When her stepsisters weren't around, she says to her mice friends, "They must be busy with 'MuSIc'". Plus she clearly says she has a right to go to the ball. "EVERY eligible maiden should attend" That was a point of the ball.
And I will never understand those people saying Cinderella went to the ball for money. NO. Cinderella wanted to have a fun for once. It's like you wanting to have fun after hard work. Being isolated by society for 12~13 years, and finally having a chance to meet some new people. That's the point of Cinderella's dream for a ball.
No matter what those stupid people say about her, Cinderella will be my second ultimate favorite Disney Princess of all time. My first fave is Belle.
Love most of the time makes you stronger than ever, wether it is romantic love, maternal love, caring for a friend or for your family.
I know there is meaning and symbolism in a lot of Disney cartoons but sometimes a story is just a story, a way of getting swept away in the moment of a battle between mortal enemies or getting rescued by a hero. Sometimes it’s nice to escape from reality for a few hours.
Not to mention back during Cinderella's time period women didn't have many options. Their only options were to marry someone rich or work as a servant for a rich family.
This is all very true, but also, why is it so bad for a woman to need/depend on a man anyway? Why is it so bad for her to want to fall in love and make sacrifices for love? When a man does it, it’s romantic. When a woman does it, it’s “sending a bad message.” Giving up something (like your voice for example) to be with someone you care about and have a future with them is a beautiful act of love. Of course we all need to be able to take care of ourselves as individuals and not rely on other people to solve our problems, but depending on someone shows that you’re putting yourself in a vulnerable situation with them which shows that you love and trust them. Our society has gone too far pushing the “badass independent woman” archetype as the only way that media can represent strong women. I’m a strong woman. I’m also a wife who gave up university to go live with my husband in another country. Should I be ashamed that I chose the best life for me instead of the one that society wants to see me chose? In conclusion, needing someone and making sacrifices for them does not = weakness. It’s weak to be a parasite and rely on others to sustain your living, but that’s not what any of these Disney princesses are doing. They’re just falling in love. Good for them. We all have dreams, some career focused, others relationship focused. But all dreams should be respected and anyone who follows their dream and fights for their dream is a strong human being.
I really enjoyed and mostly agree with the ideas in this video. I remember as a little girl loving Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty and when I grew up it was a bit of a shock to hear people saying stuff like, “They are passive women who waited around for men to save them.” and “They promote the idea that women belong in the kitchen” This bothered me bc growing up because I never saw this in these movies. In Cinderella’s case I saw an abused girl who through patience and hard work escaped her terrible situation and in the case of Sleeping Beauty a young woman who was cursed, but was protected for many years by her guardians (Three older women btw).
People who bash Aurora for being upset when she discovered that she's a princess angers me. Aurora was raised as a peasant, but Aurora had more freedom of choice especially when it came to marriage. The moment when she realizes that she's a royal her freedom disappeared. And all cynical, heartless assholes can muster is,"What a cry baby, grow up whiner". This bashing of Disney characters has been a big gripe of mine for years and it's gotten worse over time because people are too fucking stupid and shallow to see the depth of fairytales.
Also in defense of Cinderella, where was she supposed to go? It's not like she could go down and get a job at the local shop, in order to get a job she would need a reference, do you think her step mother is going to just let her go and give her a reference? Nope, I she's going to lie probably call her a thief. Why pay a servant to replace Cinderella when she's free labor. And if she did leave what money is she going to use?
Another point. I read a book about Elizabeth Smart who was kidnapped at the age of 14 by a crazy guy. He was very abusive and he had her believing she could never leave him because of her psychological abuse. Even when she was rescued she refused to give the police her name at first. She thought she would have to outlive her captors in order to be free.
People forget the historical content of both the film setting and the time the movies were created. Cinderella grew up in her house, she was connected to the place and to the surroundings, of course it's not easy to leave your home. The prince did not fall in love with her because she was pretty, he was tired of women throwing themselves at him and Cinderella was there just to dance and enjoy her one magical evening. Also, I think the slipper thing and the prince not 'recognizing' Cinderella is just part of the magic, the stepmother also could not recognize her though she thought the girl the prince danced with looked familiar.
Ariel is a feminist princess but the feminism she represents isn’t wanted by the modern day left choice feminism
Why Ariel from "The Little Mermaid" is a Strong Female Role :
Proves her naysayers wrong!
She drives the action of the story, so she is definitely not a damsel. Adventurous.
She saves Eric's life - three times!
First Disney movie that has a princess in such a powerful role.
While Ariel's crush strengthens her resolve to be human, she does not change so she can be more attractive.
She makes a sacrifice for love so she could be on land with him. She wants to, out of her own free will.
Ariel overcomes obstacles to achieve life on land and does not give up.
Relatable Teenager
Unlike previous Disney Princesses, she is spunky, daring, and adventurous. Individual. Passionately curious, has a great thirst for knowledge. Bursting with energy and joy. An unapologetic rebel with feelings and desires. Headstrong, fearless.
Famous critic Roger Ebert praised Ariel as being a “fully realized female character who thinks and acts independently, even rebelliously, instead of hanging around passively while the fates decide her destiny.”
Casper Richter nice! And on the sequel Ariel goes back to sea to save her daughter melody while Erick couldn’t do anything, not even her dad with all the power and being the sea king didn’t save the little girl.
I think Ariel may be one if the weaker arguments for this case. However, even though she acted like a spoiled child, she did have some incredible growth.
And OMG, would I love to have as much faith as Ariel did in the person she barely knew, but believed she loved and knew he would love her. That is... Wow. I think it is often ignored that she knew she was a wonderful enough person that he would see it and love her. That's why I will always love Ariel.
@@Cypresssina If you think about it, Ariel may be one of the more realistic cases (if you ignore the mermaid part). Everyone says she is a spoiled brat but if you think about it, we've all probably acted like she had at least once in our lives. Not all teens think it but at some point, we think we know better than our parents.
@@cartooningfanart preach. Ariel is my fave princess!
I think Cinderella is strongest princess because she overcame abuse verbally and physically and with a good attitude too.
I think the worst part was when they tore her dress, they accused her of stealing when they threw those away in the first place and the step mother said if she could find something to wear, the dress was pretty and perfect.
You wanna say that Cinderella shouldn't wait to be saved by some guy fine. But someone needed to cause she was being abused by 3 WOMEN and that fairy godmother had the power to save her and what dose she do, give her a new dress and w coach. Again someone needed to dlsave her, cause no one else was
The Fairy Godmother is merely a representation of Cinderellas will. Even she says as much.
I mean to be honest the fairy god mother did save her in a way I mean if she didn’t get those things she couldn’t have gone to the ball and meet the prince
The fairy godmother gave Cinderella the opportunity to be exposed to a new environment rather than save her outright. This is an example of true choice allowing to examine situations, compare, contrast, explore and choose.
It was to set things In Motion otherwise if she never would’ve of found a reason to leave, for her like The genie from Aladdin he had rules he couldn’t make anyone fall in love and the fairy godmothers Magic only last till midnight
The whole video made great points (but I'm biased about The Little Mermaid). I saw it for the 1st time at 7, but I recognized when Ariel was making mistakes & it added to my enjoyment of the film. Ariel was so active & vibrant & she fought back against Ursula. I also felt that the movie did a great job establishing how important collecting was to her & I didn't feel it was all about Eric. I felt empowered as a child because she had so much fire. I really think that people underestimate what children understand & we end up with some underdeveloped characters as a result.
Not just underdeveloped characters, also half-baked stories and, ultimately, misguided messages.
Me too! No child watches Ariel giving her voice to Ursula and thinks: Yeah, you go girl! Great decision! I will base all my future life decisions on your decision- that's how great is is!
I mean come on, does any SJW or feminist actually believe that they're children are that stupid and impressionable?
16:15 You see that hair piece? On it is a magnolia flower.
Mulans name in mandarin is Mulan Hua (in the disney movie it is Mulan Fa. Fa is Cantonese).
Her name is literaly Magnolia Flower.
I forgot this intere scene until you showed it here. It makes it look so much more symbolic and meaningfull when he grabs the hair piece.
JASMINE didn't just want to get married to a man out of love. She wanted, that if she WAS going to marry, then it better be for love.
Like your points.
(Though, maybe don't mumble so much. I can't be clear on some words but great work).
She's also very outspoken and clever. Plus she has a tiger for a companion which is like 100% cooler than anyone elses animal friend
Especially in medieval times a woman couldn’t just leave an abusive relationship. Cinderella would have to get married in order to leave her abusive relationship. If she just up and left, Cinderella would have to become a beggar, servant, or “bar girl”. Women didn’t really have any other opportunities at the time.
People choosing what their daughters see because it doesn't fit ur liberal perspective is kinda sexist.
Cinderella does stand up to people when she CAN: she points out that she's eligible to go to the ball too, she rescues the mice and stands up to Lucifer. But the reality is that a lot of times in abusive situations, you don't have the power to stand up to them. What was she supposed to do?
What would have happened if Cinderella just snapped at her stepmother? They could have turned her out on the streets, which would have left her homeless? Are we really going to act like that's an easy thing to overcome? "Just get a job" "just find a house"?
She even says to Bruno that he has to watch out on his desire to strike against Lucifer so he doesn't lose his home, which seems to indicate she is aware of these concerns.
Also, even if Cinderella COULD just "leave", what about her animal friends? She'd have to leave them? That's a common abuser tactic, use other people or even pets and their safety against you.
Also, say what you want about millennials, but I'm starting to like this new trend I'm seeing where people understand that Romeo and Juliet is not a love story, but a parodic story of teenage rebellion, and I'm seeing people starting to come around about how Cinderella was an abuse victim wanting a night out, not a submissive woman waiting for a man. Even beauty and the beast is still interpreted as a movie about Stockholm syndrome, so I hope this trend keeps up where people start understandkng these stories away from the sjw mindset so that we can have normal Disney movies again.
People also seem to gloss over the fact that belle chose to take her father's place, she wasn't there against her will. The hunchback of Notre dame the interactions between Frollo and Quasi are a much closer example of Stockholm syndrome.
@@kong-zu1lh exactly, but because quasimodo is a boy, and its more of an abusive parental relationship, it's not seen as Stockholm syndrome. And yes people do seem to gloss over bell's motivation. Not only that, but Lindsey Ellis made a great point that belle only started liking the beast when he stopped being an asshole and that it's more of the other way around in that the "kidnapper" (for lack of a better term) began sympathizing with the victim.
@@kristenyarbrough4287 the opposite of Stockholm syndrome is Lima syndrome
@@kristenyarbrough4287 Stockholm syndrome can happen in abusive parent-child relationships...trust me.
@@PhoenixRising87 yes of course they can. Im sorry if i implied they didnt?
People who think Cinderella is a “weak” character have never actually watched the movie.
I get embracing yourself and not confirming to "Gender Norms" like ordering your son not to like pink when he does because it's a " girl's color" or telling your daughter she can't join the basketball team even though that's her talent because it's a " boy's sport". But at the same time, it's just as bad as encouraging/pressuring your son to join the ballet when he loves football, or pressing your daughter to try sports when she prefers being a cheer leader. Forcing Gender norms is bad but so is villainizing them. Feminity was never a bad thing, what's bad is making girls think that it is their only attribute to embrace. But wanting to do away with it altogether by bashing characters like Cinderella and Ariel is giving in to the opposite extreme and imo is just as bad as the people who try to enforce Gender Norms on people like it's a law. As a fan of Cinderella, Aurora, Snow White, etc, it really offends me when people accuse them of being weak just because they are feminine and lack agency just because they fall in love with a man. I'm all for independence, but that doesn't have to be opposed to bring feminine or falling in love.
Lol long story short I loved your video!
Imagine shaming a woman going through abusive household all her life for not being independed enough
I love Cinderella AND Mulan as movies.
I love Cinderella because I can sympathize with her, and it was so satisfying to see her abusers fail at keeping her down. The movies push kindness, and I always try to be kind and Cinderella was a great role model for me.
I love Mulan, because I can relate to struggling to fit into gender norms, though my situation is obviously not anywhere near as extreme as her situation. Both me and Mulan just wanted to please our families because of pressure from them.
Even though I'm not as feminine as Cinderella, I dont see how being feminine is weak. Its actually ironic that these people bash feminine personalities in media, but praise more masculine characters. Almost like acting more "manly" is somehow superior. It's strange that these actors and celebrities cant pinpoint the flaws in their reasoning. Eh, whatever. As long as I still get to watch these movies, I'm happy.
But if they take these classics off Disney plus for backlash against the princess movies, I will never forgive Disney ever again. That would be it for me.
Ariel wanted to see the human world before she even SAW Eric. Being human and getting away from her crazy dad for a while was the motivation, Eric was just a bonus.
Never understood why no one was suspicious when Cinderella’s father suddenly gets sick when he married “The Step-Mother”
Some feminists blame Ariel for risking everything for Eric, as if it was shameful that her biggest drive was her love for a man. I don't see them blaming Aladdin for risking everything for Jasmine, a woman. When people criticise Aladdin, they do so on the grounds that he tried to get the girl through lies to the point of putting the kingdom in peril; but not ever is he accused of "doing everything for a woman" as if that was shameful that a man's biggest dream was to find a girlfriend. Old stories portrayed such actions of a man going the extra mile for a woman as "chivalrous", "manly" or a sign of passion and fortitude. I get that in our current culture women want to have other options than just marry and have children, and I completely agree with that; but I completely disagree with bashing Ariel as anti-feminist. Not saying she was flaw-less, she was impulsive and immature for sure: but for me, ever since I was a boy, I deeply admired her for her curiosity, sense of exploration and sheer courage to be willing to risk everything for your dream. Yes, Ariel already had a desire to discover the human world way before Eric; but let's face it, Eric was what motivated to pursue her dream. And you know what, that's completely fine! Passionate feelings, such as romantic love, are often what pushes us to lengths we often wouldn't do. Sure, Ariel has some flaws, but being anti-feminist is definitely not one of them.
Like the main example of people overlooking things is Cinderella:
She was a victim of abuse, but she remained positive and kind, also hardworking and she got her happy ending. She didn't want a prince, she wanted a night out and she got it.
Cinderella also says to the Prince after midnight strikes in an attempt to leave something like, “Oh! I haven’t talked to the prince yet I have to meet the prince!”
It proves to him that she fully had no agenda talking to him. She didn’t even know she was the prince!
Also I think Anastasia Tremaine is the only redeemed disney movie character. No small part of Cinderella helping her because Cinderella is both kind and strong enough to see that Anastasia is also an abuse victim. Anastasia was just following along because that's all she knew. Look through all the Cinderella movies it's clear that Anastasia seems to be the golden child. She's the one in Cinderella 3 to be the one who gets to marry the prince.
The only Disney movie I wouldn't let my kids(don't have em yet) watch is Pinocchio. Dat shit traumatized me.
I love Pinocchio. You shouldn't just listen to slick salesmen who build a house of cards. If something sounds too good to be true then it probably is.
I still to this day can’t watch that movie it scared the shit out of me
@@rachelberrythegleequeen.3221 Especially that f*cking *whale!* 😱
One more thing about Cinderella, in the original story her stepsisters asked for forgiveness and she does. She even goes as far as setting them up with husbands from the royal court. Forgiving the ones who hurt and help take an extremely strong person .
No, that's not how the story goes. Lol.
When people think that being feminine and kind equals to weakness...
In modern media there is also a trend that a character needs to be as masculine as possible to be considered strong. Especially if it's a female characters. No make up, no dresses, short haircuts and shooting big guns with emotionless expressions. People see a princess and if she's not a tomboy she is instantly regarded as a "bad role model".
Femininity is now regarded by those who claim to be the most progressive as a bad trait, as something to overcome. It is really saddening to me, a girl who always loved girly things but tried to be more boy-like to feel accepted and strong, as I was bullied and felt weak on daily basis. Only after going to the artschool I finaly embraced the pink-ribbon-glittery side of myself. It's not just that FEMALES can be strong but that FEMININE TRAIT can be streinghts!
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Female characters should be strong WHILE beeing female not DESPITE that.