The difference is that usually self-inserts show mc being great already, but this one shows her way to becoming all that great. So author probably does not consider this kind of behaviour unappealing and treats it as a natural reaction to the "injustice of the world".
Exactly raven wasn’t even that a mean person she’s just being moody, don’t like to be bothered, loves peace and quiet, and mostly minding her own business. THAT’S the type of gothic I like!
@@raevynchisolm7817 exactly! this book was literally just an excuse to pump out some sort of "im not like the other girls" self insert and I am not here for it.
And Raven has every right to be distant and depressed. Depending on her backstory she's a survivor of genocide who if she loses control of emotions will create a bridge for literal Satan to repeat the same again on Earth. Even then she still has the courage to reach out and make connections.
@Sirius I don’t know about Marvel or DC stuff but with the way she’s acting does sound like the character nightstar was put to waste {or whatever is going on if that makes sense}
Even Wattpad has more likable characters. Even I, who has taken a grand total of 0 writing classes, makes more likable characters than the ones in this monstrosity.
@@saubergt2390 it scares me how those people are in this type of industry, while some teenagers who write freaking fanfics - better than official stories - will never have the chance to get to the industry.
This YA novel, leaves a terrible message, Mandy acts like a spoiled brat to people and treats her mom disrespectfully and still ends up getting what she wants. It's telling people that you can act terrible to people and still get rewarded for it.
@@cartoonking1789 To be fair, Catra spent the better part of four seasons getting beaten down for her flaws, and she actually learned from her mistakes in a believable way. She wasn’t just magically a good person after a single episode. She spent basically all of season five unlearning her toxic traits and learning to be better. This Mandy girl essentially flipped a switch and was good.
Mandy projecting her internalized misogyny onto her own mother is a side of teenagehood that really does not need to be portrayed as quirky and harmless
Gotta love how Mandy is chubby while Starfire is very skinny. Idk but I feel like she’s saying that skinny girls are overly obsessed with their looks or being pretty
I actually think they could've played around with her being ignorant of the French culture outside of stereotypes, just like Starfire would've been ignorant to human nature or way of speaking, etc, and Mandy would've had to establish what it feels like to be an isolated foreigner in an unfamiliar place--it'd make her less inclined to make fun of Starfire's speech and probably give her a new respect for her mother, because I'm sure she'd struggle learning about any culture outside of her own.
@@JayRedGear That could be a problem in itself. A parent who gives everything that their child wants with no inconvenience does breed a certain insolence into the children. Mandy is such a self conscious wreck that every one of her moms words of encouragement/attempts to bond are seen as belittlement and condescension that she lashes out at an illusion of her mother that doesn't mesh with the reality of who her mom actually is. Like many teenagers Mandy is pretty terrible with communicating with her parents and she only has one of them, so there's no outlet for her to discuss this with anyone of that age bracket but her mom who she can't talk to without having a petulant whine fest over. You can be a kind caring parent but you still need to assert yourself as an authority figure and teacher, starfire is simply too bubbly to do that. So we the audience see a clash in the narrative. Starfire can't approach her daughter in any way without a harsh rebuke from Mandy because she's a petulant paranoid teenager and Mandy won't approach her mother because she refuses to grow until she's threatened with death and has to be forced to watch her mom dispel that illusion that Mandy has built in her head for all these years. That's hardly character growth, especially so late into the comics page number that we're now left with a bad taste that the comic doesn't have time to rinse out.
@@Tenebraeification tbh I think it was pure trash cuz the self insert sucked and like the original comment says making starfire a bad mother is making me mad 🧍 sure she would be bubbly but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be a good parent she is a strong person who is kind hearted she would listen to her kid idk why you took the time to write such a big paragraph
Starfire is such a genuinely fun, beautiful and likable character. How the heck did she end up with bratty, entitled, disrespectful, petty goblin for a daughter?
@@alexbrown8900 and you be right, but the issue is that this is on an established character. If anything this is just Ghostbusters reboot self insert edition.
@@alexbrown8900 you are also right on that one as well. However this makes it the exception as not only the story is bad, but this is why the comics industry isn't doing so hot. Not to mention the author had an agenda behind it. she could make an original comic, but piggybacking on an existing story is lazy for an author.
Ikr that’s the vibe I got she’s literally so annoying and I hate her character and it made me dislike the author. She just wanted attention and to feel like she was someone important, an MC. It’s honestly so stupid and the self insert was extremely bad. And she didn’t even look like her in the slightest beside the eye color.
I'm tired of the trope that teenage girls (or just teenagers in general) are all this mean, petty, rebellious mfs that just have to have beef with their parents
@@user-vm8ow6ws7e Teenage rebellion is a part of social development in adolescents in order for them to develop an identity independent from their parents or family and a capacity for independent decision-making. They may experiment with different roles, behaviors, and ideologies as part of this process of developing an identity. Teenage rebellion has been recognized within psychology as a set of behavioral traits that supersede class, culture, or race; some psychologists, however, have disputed the universality of the phenomenon. According to Terror Management Theory, the child's allegiance to parental authority and worldviews can weaken after the discovery that parents, like themselves and everyone else, are mortal. This realization creates an unconscious need for security that is broader than what the parents alone provide. This can lead to new cultural allegiances, in the search for a more enduring sense of meaning. Teenagers seek to perceive themselves a valued contributor to aspects of culture that more convincingly outlive or transcend the mortal individual's lifespan. However, since the parents also instill their cultural beliefs onto the child, if the child does not come to associate their parents' mortality with their cultural beliefs, the chances of rebellion decrease.[5]
@@user-vm8ow6ws7e Theodore Roszak was one of the first historians to analyze the teenage rebellion from the 1950s. According to Roszak, this individual movement could be compared to the Romantic Movement or even the Renaissance as people during those time periods struggled for independence the same way the youth of his society did.. There are writtings of ancient periods describing teens as having a rebelious behaviour agaisnt authority and their parents. It is literally one of the cores of human society
I remember the days when the media had the 'edgy' kid being a loner goth but was still a chill and nice person. They were the type of character that when they joined the side of good, the rest of the team got a very strong member and they were thrilled. What happened to those days?
I still write characters like that because I love that trope! my current favourite I've made is Kuroki Kurayami (literally translates to "black darkness")
All I'm going to say is that I don't like sports, and I hated being forced to play them in school. but I still participated and tried to do be a team player, I never went out of my way to try and make my team lose. Mandy literally tries to make everyone feel as miserable as she is, and that's inexcusable.
Like my dad would say "Whatever you do, give it your very best". I try to stand by that especially in things where my slacking out of spite would cost the rest of my team the win, time, fun, etc. that they deserve.
Same And i hated sports with a passion and sometimes my adhd does get the best of me but i always try my best to be a good teammate and play fair. It irritates me that the MC does this
actually,MC is a game,not a real life option,MC was more funner then any gameplay in the world,it’s just a UA-cam area,so be confident of your speaked passion.
You know there is a much better story about a teen being a child of a famous superhero, getting their powers, being ACTUALLY bullied, and a much more better climatic battle that does deals with the kid’s hero parent’s past coming back to haunt them. And it’s called Sky High.
there are instances where a character being rude and unlikeable is supposed to hold value to the story and ur purposely not meant to like them, but i do feel as if she was "supposed" to be portrayed as likeable and relatable instead, which in that case, its just bad writing.
Honestly, Mandy only looks like that like 0% of either parent because the author wanted to self insert herself in the story. Its supposed to look/represent herself just as a teen so its not really about starfires child its just an off brand wattpad fantasy story about the author being her child. The book also probably reflects herself and her mother issues when she was a teen.
Was looking for this comment for ages the moment I saw her having pink powers I was like "wtf was wrong with her green powers" not to mention it would make sense her and her daughter would both have green powers since they're related and I get blackfire had purple powers and is starfires sister but maybe they got their powers colour from each parent like one had green one had purple
"Look how progressive we are!" (Creates a xenophobic character who makes fun of her mother's speech, and heavily stereotypes and fetishizes French women) Edit: Just adding the dictionary Xenophobia definition here since several people were unfamiliar with the term Xenophobia: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
Im so gled im not the only one who noticed that. Even though I didnt find it that offensive, I did raised an eyebrow at that one page with Mandy in stereotypical french clothing while saying “french french french”. Do foreigners really see us like that? 😂
@@theAudaciousAudacity The clothing, maybe (but we recognize it as a stereotype and know it is not common clothing), but saying "French french french" no.
@@anishaganguly1440 Starfire adopts her sister's kid so she can have a chance to live a peaceful life only for Blackfire to show up and tempt Mandy to become a tyrant like her. Also, SLIME POWERS!
Even if France didn't have superheroes, Starfire is a world-renowned superstar. That's like thinking people in France don't know who Tom Cruise is because they don't have Hollywood there.
4:38 oh boy, as a French person this part made me cringe sooooo hard. Why... just why. Also I don’t understand why they created such an unlikable character. I don’t care that she’s fat, goth, and lesbian, the main problem with her is her attitude. She’s just mean and apathetic
Fat goth and lesbian is every terrible writer's favourite way to pretend their horseshit manuscript is deep and profound. As a fat bisexual goth it really just makes it harder to be a fat bisexual goth without everyone assuming everything you say and do means you're trying to be next CEO of tumblr. Very annoying. (Of course I have no issue with inclusivity, tolerance, and respect, but people really don't take some of the things I say seriously just because I was wearing black eyeshadow when I said it.)
Here's a clue that the writer is trying to shame Starfire every chance she gets. Star increases her power from sunlight so revealing clothes makes sense given she needs to be in contact with it to gain strength. Her wearing flattering or 'revealing' clothing isn't just a personal choice but one that helps her physically. Whether you find Starfire 'slutty' or not, at least fucking understand some of the aspects of her powers. Star also 'ran away' as a child herself, not a an adult like the comic is trying to pass off. She was around Mandy's age so she has grounds for coming for helping since she was over whelmed and too young to fight off a massive battle like that, yet the book is trying to portray the act of asking for help cowardly, at least when Starfire does it. Thee story is also skewing the way people would naturally react towards someone like Mandy. She is constantly belittling other people, giving them justification to not hang out with her. Even if she felt she was in the shadow of her mother, she's still taking out her angst on other people and even ruining things they enjoy for herself (the baseball game). During her attempts to 'clap back' to the so-called bullies, it makes no sense because her whole deal was she felt underminded by her mother's powers but she just revealed her alien heritage. The correct reaction from the kids shouldn't have been fear but adoration at that point since that's the type of thing they would have wanted to hear. There are tons of books that focus on this type of story so this one means absolutely nothing. I feel nothing for Mandy because she's a detestable little shit but hey. I guess that's the writer too.
Also the fact Mandy obliterates Blackfire with little effort after just getting her powers, when she along with Starfire would have far more training and experience. Showing Mandy is a better natural fighter as a dumpy goth then her mother as a fit life-long warrior and hero.
@@the_don1542 This is my biggest pet peeve. If you yourself are not multilingual, kindly shut the fuck up about other people not speaking both languages perfectly. I'd like to see them try to learn another language.
Not to mention Mandy got upset at Claire for taking a picture with the Teen Titans? Great, now she wants to control what her girlfriend can and cannot post. Because god forbid anyone to take a selfie with celebrities! I’m getting Catra and Adora PTSD from this toxicity.
2 types of self inserts: •The person you wish you could be •The person you wish you could get away with being Velma and Mandy as opposed to Spider-Man for example
I feel like this comic would have benefited from copying the Goofy Movie format. Have Mandy and Starfire go on a road trip because Starfire thought that Mandy is being distant towards her is because they haven't spent enough time together due to her fashion and superhero work. Then, throughout the road trip they both get stopped by Starfire's fans and enemies. Through this, both of them can see different perspectives of each other. Starfire can see that by her giving more attention towards her fans due to her bubbly and somewhat naive nature, she unintentionally pushes attention both away and towards Mandy. Thus, making her understand her bitterness towards her. Meanwhile, Mandy can understand that, obviously, being a publicly known superhero doesn't give you all the right attention because it puts a target on the ones they love constantly. She'll get to hear villains commenting on how they tried to kidnap her throughout her life in order to get to Starfire but her mother kept getting in the way in the nick of time and out of her sight because she wanted Mandy to have happy childhood. Thus, finally making her understand her mother's struggle and know that she truly wanted nothing but the best for her. A bit of rewrite to make Mandy less rude and standoffish to make her character's viewpoint more understandable and sympathetic for the audience and boom! You got yourself a decent family-themed YA novel.
So I’ve seen the artist’s tweets about why Mandy looks that way. And it’s because she wanted to portray the struggles of white passing people… which is weird because the only thing she herself managed to boil those struggles down too, was people saying she didn’t look mixed.
What the comic doesn't show is that now that her powers are starting to manifest, she starts burning all sorts of calories (her "not orange" skin doesn't process sunlight as efficiently as her mom) and she starts combat training with her mom and the other Titans. Within two months she's down to 6% body fat while still eating as many calories as an Olympic swimmer. It turns out that her tendency to overeat was always a part of her half Tamaranian biology trying to get the energy it needed for her cosmic powers. It also causes a growth spurt and, by her 18th birthday, she'll have grown a foot taller. The "body positivity" crowd are livid on Twitter. She still won't do modeling jobs, because that would be "totally $*#!! selling out" for a goth chick like Megan, but her girlfriend's selfies with her on instragram go viral all the time, now.
People try to defend this book by saying it at least introduce a fresh concept for the superhero genre by having the protag having no powers despite being child of a superhero. even though, that concept isn't particularly new at all. It is even the kind of concept used a lot in fanfics and some of those are even better written too.
Powerless child of a superhero fights their parent's nemesis and discovers they actually do have powers? Totally original. It's only _exactly like_ Sky High. Johnathan Kent in Superman and Lois doesn't have any superpowers (at least so far).
I write a fanfic and my main is the only character who can't use magic, it's the same thing as no superpowers. It can be effective, but this trope is used pretty often
Did you notice that when writers/directors in today's comic book and animation industries try to make "realistic" characters they just make unlikeable people? If that's what being a real person is like, then I'd rather live as a cartoon and be as much of a good person like the OG Superman as possible, a man who stands for truth, justice and the old-fashioned American way.
I find it weird people consider being an unlikable, selfish asshole "realistic," like, I've met bad people, but also a lot of good people. People aren't perfect, that much is true, but it doesn't mean 99% of us are awful.
Billy Batson was chosen and given god powers because he stayed positive despite having a horrible life. But for a reboot they decided to make him edgy and reward his "I'm 14 and this is deep" speech with god powers. I hate the "realistic" reasoning. These are superheroes, belief has been suspended already.
Not just the American way, but all of humanity. Or whatever he said in the season premier of the DCAU Justice League. But yes, I agree; realistic people are either cruel or boring. People should be more like Supes. : )
She only has one friend (I think theyre non binary) who I'm pretty sure was forced to he her friend. And her girlfriend Claire never even knew she existed until Mandy made up with Starfire.
honestly seeing how Starfire mentioned in the 2004 show that Tamaranians' powers are also based on their emotions, this couldve been an oppurtunity for Starfire's teenage daughter struggling with her emotions, how they affect her powers, and how she doesnt feel like a real Tamaranian because of it
i hate how starfire is portrayed. she’s not a stripper. when she wears exposing things, it’s really a part of her character and planet. she doesn’t wear it to be sexy. like wtf stop sexualizing her…
I mean, obviously certain design choices, especially in early comics, had sex appeal in mind. I'm looking at you, cat-woman. To completely boil a character down to that and only that is stupid, though. Superman isn't just a chiseled jawline, cat-woman is a complex character, and Starfire is an amazing person.
Now I am almost tempted to write a Story where Mandy really *does* go to France, and all her Expectations are shattered. (Yes, I know. I am very petty) And she gets a Reality Check by a the french Girl she hooked up with- who would turn out to be a Superheroine. We need something like "Emily in Paris" for her. "You don't know the Culture, you don't bother to learn the Language....you treat France as nothing more than your Amusement Park. And after a Year of Wine, and Food, and S*x, and.....maybe a little bit of Culture, you grow bored and go back Home, having learned absolutely nothing."
Okay, all I'm saying is, in the 2003 animated show Starfire's powers are based on her emotions. The obvious (to me, at least) plot is to have her teenage daughter struggling with her mental health, which blocks her powers, which makes it even worse. Through the book she learns to bond with other people, gets on better terms with her mother, and learns to ask for help from others, and because she ends the book with a better mental health status she is able to pull at her powers at last. Maybe she had some access to them as a kid, but lost her grip on them as she got older, and that eats at her. This way, you have a continuous plot where characters are doing things...but you have your underlying theme- she doesn't get her powers because she's in danger, or because she drops the brat act when she's in danger, but because she was able to take care of herself.
The fact that they immediately go for goth and broody as a “relatable character” just goes to show how much the person making it actually knows about teenagers. This used way too often in my opinion. Child of superheroes: - has no powers until the “big battle” where their plot armor comes into play. - has to be goth or act unappreciative and rude - overall just a little shit. - and must hate and detest their superhero parents for being just that, superhero’s. It’s annoying and a bit offensive, considering they are invalidating the feelings of teenagers by saying “we don’t see you as anything but rude and gothic because we don’t understand you and don’t want to understand.” I’m more so on the punk-alternative side so yes, tattoos, piercings, makeup, the works. On occasion. I’m still a person and I don’t need that stuff all the time, plus I’m 19 so i have to be aware of my work environment. I find it embarrassing for someone to behave that way and think that everything has to work out in their favor because “I’m wearing black, I’m so goth, my life is pain and suffering, please pity me and give me what I want.”
The way how they write these unlikable characters and not understand why readers aren't interested isn't because the characters they write are more relatable, it's because readers & audience don't want to relate to those characters.
The issue with this is that it also lacks logic. I can get past her ambition to go to france because she’s naive like a young teen would be, her hypocrisy like a young teen would be, and many other things that make her a horrible yet honestly relatable character. There are things that just don’t make sense though. Her not wanting to go to college because of debt even though that clearly wouldn’t be an issue. Her purposefully doing bad in sports even though she would have had to want to try out, make it past tryouts, and somehow not be benched. There are other examples but these make it difficult to relate to a character when the story itself kind of lacks logic.
I don't have a huge problem with unlikable protagonist, I think they can be incredibly interesting and even relatable if you're self aware enough. My problem is that no one calls her out on her behavior- to me it's bad writing, it just makes it seem like the author doesn't have the common sense to know that normal people would not put up with that kind of attitude
@@tourmaline9647 Bojack Horseman was a terrible person, but he gets called out for his behavior. He had reasons for being that way, but he changes after seeing the bad in himself
Sometimes I wonder. There are SOOOO MANY fantastic artists out there that put so much work and thought into what they do but shit like this gets a green light within the industry. The world is so fucking unfair it's crazy.
It's a sad day for entertainment when this shit gets a green light. I can PM 10 people that can make a better story than this in their sleep with one arm.
Reminds me of the golden age of warhammer 40k fan animation and how it all ended up getting replaced with absolutely garbage official content when GW's copyright lawyers decided to step in.
The only redeeming thing, for whatever that’s worth here, is that she finally became self aware and realized she’s the problem. And it’s not like Adora believing she left Catra either, there was merit behind Mandy realizing how bad she was. But that’s it, that’s the only good thing I found
She only kinda realizes shes the issue. Like shes the issue between herself and her mom. She still felt like she had a right to act the way she did with everyone else, including her love interest.
The issue is that Mandy realises this too late in the third act, which doesn't give us a satisfying narrative conclusion. More often than not, the protagonist has their turning point at the start of the third act ("Yes, I CAN defeat the villain!" "I need to change my ways." "I AM in love with so-and-so!" Etc.) But as M and J point out, the main conflict is introduced in the third act, so Mandy's turning point just feels like something that was crammed in at the last minute.
Mandy’s lack of powers was very easy to fix. Not sure about comic canon, but in the show, Starfire’s powers come from emotions. Maybe Mandy always had similar powers, but her apathy caused them to stop working. And by opening up to her mother about her anxiety and insecurities, she regains them. There, fixed.
Bro this makes me wish this was a animated movie with Mandy being less rude, still goth, and wanting to live in a remote cottage with her girlfriend Her and her mom clash personalities and argue a lot and eventually, during the climax, Mandy regains her powers thanks to maybe an argument or something and she beats the shit out of Blackfire Oh and it’s more canon and the other starfire child was her sister or something
Mandy is exactly the same as the author's previous mc for one of her other works. They practice Wikka (or however it's spelled), black hair, LGBT, same in love trope, same personality, same attitude, and same body type/features as well as a school theme. While these traits aren't inherently bad, it's bad they are being reused so often in the same combo for her characters. Mandy is just a revamp of her old mc from a previous series and said old mc is directly inspired by herself. These reoccurring mc traits are annoying and she is doomed to start failing more as she makes more published works with the same format.
Yeah, you make a good point. Also, I feel like it wouldn't be as egregious if these characters were actually likable. I'm all for LGBTQ+ characters (especially since I, myself, am pan) and characters with different body types, as well as seeing characters that have more of an alternative fashion sense, but not only are characters like Mandy really annoying, but they also get bland a lot quicker than characters that have likable qualities, especially if they have the same appearance, demeanor, character arc, etc.
I'd also like to point out while I personally don't mind the artstyle choices, myself..... Yeah. They only succeed in making Mandy look uglier and uglier with every passing page, just like how her character gets more and more awful, reading those said pages. Basically though, the artstyle just isn't DC-worthy. It looks and feels like an easily forgotten gallery of R34 on Tumblr before that site went down, or an equally so webcomic that gets canned because it sucks. The latter is all this should've been, honestly.
@@rosenrot234 Down massively in popularity to ever use, though? It most certainly is that. And given the toxicity of it, having it go down for good might be for the best, honestly...
@@raishw6483 Any "necessary evil: is still evil, sadly. This kind of artstyle doesn't belong in comics we're meant to take seriously like superheroes and supervillains fare, unfortunately.
I absolutely hate the Goth stereotype of just being an asshole.... Honestly most Goths I've met have been super sweet nice people. Intelligent caring people. But for some reason they get this stereotype of just being a heartless asshole.....
The only good to come out of this is the creation of Edgar Allan Logan. Someone did this comic's concept with Raven having a peppy jock character for a son and it's quite wholesome.
@@ohshit4860 Sadly I can not, it's just a couple of stretches. But they do appear in the image search for I'm not Starfire Edgar Allan. (Along with some redesigns of Mandy that make her actually look human.)
The worst part is that it is so easy to see a better version of this. A version of Mandy who wants to connect with her mother but feels unable to because her mother never grew up on earth and lives a double life. She lashes out as a result and struggles to connect to others, but feels bad about being mean and wants to be less lonely. On paper, I was very much like Mandy when I was younger, but I never went as far as she does and I worked hard to put myself out there and not treat everyone as an enemy. This... this is just sad.
I think it's better they didn't let Moriko Tamaki get no where near Nightstar. Then she would have just done the typical thing and made an established character into a self-insert and ruin her in the process. This can at least be ignored and brushed aside as the typical modern comic pro story - unless they decide to double down and say this is Nightstar, and then cometh the ire.
Mariko Tamaki actually did this very thing writing for the Supergirl TV show - Season 5, Episode 16. She turned Alex Danvers into a lesbian Supergirl; created another cameo Supergirl who is Asian; and named a location "Tamaki Air Force Base". Triple self-insertion, all in one episode.
@@heroineburgh well, that says something about the quality of writers they put on that show. After I started watching Flash and Arrow I really wanted to enjoy Supergirl but jeez
@@vicentecastro4221 The writers they select for those CW shows seem to vary by episode - I was merely pointing out what Tamaki did on the single episode she wrote, in order to clearly show her pattern of self-insertion. The most thematically consistent show on the CW is Stargirl, and that might be because of Geoff Johns' supervision. But even they can slip up and go woke: in the current Stargirl Season 2 EP8, Eclipso clearly says he hates Beth Chapel (the teenage Dr. Mid-Nite) because she is black. Note: Eclipso has *never* expressed racism even once in the comics, not once, even under several different identities. But you look at the writer's credit, and it's black writer Steve Harper, who went to Harvard and Juilliard and got an NEA Endowment scholarship. You get the sense he was thoroughly inculcated in academia. Right there on Harper's IMDB it says, "His work examines spirituality, sexuality, race, class and often deals with spirit creatures, mythical beings and powers beyond human understanding." He's probably been waiting patiently to make one of his "spirit creatures" blatantly oppressive, and then Eclipso comes along....
@@BrrmBrrmm To be honest, if the story is well written, I never mind self-insert or OC-insert story, sometimes I even think it's kinda cute, because the author wants to be more involved in it, but this kind of self-insert is just a no no :"D
@@asherose9149 I don't get this argument that kid should be as thin as their parents. Weight isn't genetic, metabolism is. It could very well be that she has an eating disorder. Starfire could spoil her rotten given how nice she is. If being fat was genetic "fat acceptance" would make sense
@@icecreammm665 Technically, in the actual and ORIGINAL comics of DC, (With Starfire's and NightWing's/Dick Grayson's actually daughter, it is shown that the genes of Starfire's people is stronger then those of human. So while their daughter got her father's black hair, everything else is from her mother. Her figure, her strength, her eyes. Because Starfire and her people are warrior aliens, so they don't have fat, they have muscles). So the fact that THIS version of Starfire's daughter is white and chunky, makes no sense whatsoever.
I think I remember seeing that (aside from self-insert), it's mentioned that Mandy took to eating and developed an unhealthy relationship between food and her feelings/thoughts. Also, the art style itself is a bit thicker than the norm we see in DC comics.
In some cases having an unlikable main character makes for an excellent story,, for example, Bojack Horseman. He’s an awful person but a perfectly and amazingly written character. But with Mandy she’s an extremely unlikable character attempting to be passed off as a good person and as a victim and everything works out okay for her in the end due to the usual “good guys win” ending. Writing a main character who’s a bad person turns out much better when the audience isn’t meant to feel bad for them or agree with them in any way.
Exactly! Framing is everything. The most frustrating thing about Mandy is that she is framed as the victim and the hero, for what? Even just having a character call her out or face a consequence for her actions would make it more bearable
As a person who actually wants to go to France and is learning the language and culture, neither a facepalm nor two middle fingers would be enough to express my anger towards Mandy
Don't you just love stories where complete hypocrites get to treat everyone like shit and be rewarded in the end? I pity todays youth if these are the kinds of heroes they get to look forward to following.
I’m sorry but there’s no wayyy any kid raised by the sweetest alien ever would act like that. It just isn’t possible 😆 like the swearing for example - Starfire just wouldn’t tolerate that kind of language - no way
As someone who is (~half) French, the bloody obsession with France and stereotyping makes me cringe coz I know the hell my uncles and grandpa ain't wearing striped shirts with moustaches, drinking coffee and eating baguettes (maybe the coffee but that's an international thing like bruh). Also, to me going to another country willingly and not even bothering to TRY to learn the language is rude af
My friend is French and gets really excited to visit during summers. Recently, I asked her what she loves about France and she said the food and beach, things that happen in the US.
About the language thing is it really that bad. I have learned a few languages for places I want to visit but I want go everywhere and probably won’t be able to learn every language. Do I get a pass?
I’m shocked Mandy didn't drop a couple of pounds considering how much she (couldn’t even without breathing heavy) runs away from problems. Girl runs away, halfway walks because she can’t run without scaring the neighborhood with the force of 10 titans stomping around, and runs to a coffee shop. COFFEE SHOP. No wonder everyone assumes this is Mariko’s self insert.
When I first heard about this, just based off the title, I thought it was gonna be about a girl who somehow gets confused for being Starfire, when in reality she's just some kid and not a superhero. Kinda wish that's what we actually got :(
i was honestly really disappointed that she ended up manifesting powers in the end. this could have been a really cool story about not needing special powers to be strong.
Who the heck is this book for? Young Adults of today would laugh at this amateur childlike writing and find it boring and good thing it's not for kids because this sends a terrible message. Mandy has very little redeeming qualities about herself, this book had the most lazy ending I've seen this year and its in mainstream... A teen could write this book and probably many have written themselves as the hero of their own story filled with angst, self-pity and yearning to have instant change in their circumstances in life without much effort because superpowers solve everything.
I kinda wish Mandy was the classmate of Nightstar instead? Mandy could still be the protagonist/daughter of famous superheros who struggle with being different and lacking powers. She can still be a bitter asshole that disrespects everyone. Have her be bitter about Nightstar seemingly being "better off" than her, eventually realize Nightstar has her own struggles, learn to appreciate and understand the people around her, and gradually change herself into a better person. Sorry just rambling here, idk about DC so apologies if this is ooc for her.
I hate e everything about “I am not Starfire.” Also, is it PC for Mandy to be objectifying French girls? And was there even any hints that her friend was bi? What a coincidence either way.
You know, I think that this concept actually *could* work, with some changes. Growing up as the daughter of a famous and powerful superhero would likely put a lot of unwanted attention and stress on her, and her parents would likely be at least a little absent due to their duties, leaving the daughter to be alone most of the time. Having to deal with all the societal baggage and danger that comes with being a part of a superhero family would make a very engaging storyline.
The part where Mandy deliberately doesn’t catch the ball pisses me off. Im often put on teams where i dont know anyone and/or dont really like the kids. But i still TRY. Like ill walk around where everyone else is and i might try and catch something every once and awhile. Like im not “IM NOT GONNA CATCH THE BALL BECAUSE I HATE EVERYONE HERE GOD WHY DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND ME JEEZ”
2:58 I need to point out that sounds very out of character for Starfire. She’s sweet and I highly doubt she would hate someone’s looks, as she’s too naive and nice for it. Plus, she’s naive, but not stupid (which is my biggest bone to pick for Teen Titans Go)
Has there been another writers' strike in the entertainment industry? Because, it seems like media has forgotten how to tell good stories that include messages rather than just bullet point whining through a scenario.
The problem isn’t the writers. There are plenty of amazing writers in every industry. It’s the censorship by the higher ups, the companies. Both the writer and illustrator are very talented creators. But when it comes down to working with these companies run by literal jackasses, predators, and more, they and their abilities are so stifled that what would have been something incredible becomes something unrecognizable. I’m hoping to enter the field myself, even studying it, but I am so hesitant to ever work for a big company because of this. Big companies give health insurance but indie groups allow so much freedom.
Having just heard of this comic’s existence, I am devastated. Yoshi Yoshitani is a brilliant artist - and it’s obvious that they didn’t put their full effort into this work, especially the colour palettes. To be honest, I have always disliked Tamaki’s writing, and it seems that now the comic industry has started giving her established properties to over dramatise and self-insert into. Great.
when I first heard about the book [which I _also_ first thought was a magazine] , I thought it was the _voice actor_ of Starfire describing her life about how she's stereotyped to be like Starfire. _man do I regret finding out the truth_ the only thing I can appreciate about this book is the art style- other than that, this should've never been published
*I am Not Starfire exists* Me: Let's see how my *I don't care* meter is after learning about this comic books existence. Vegeta: It's over 9000! Me: Thought so. Thanks Vegeta!
Normally when a person self inserts themselves in something, they usually create a better version of themselves. Not sure what happened here.
The author thinks this is the best version of themself I guess.
Too lazy to improve themselves and strive to be better. Would rather stay as their unlikable self and expect the world to adjust
@Kristopher Bailey That's legit what shawn Culpepper said
She probably exaggerated the character (I havent read this book so I dont know the deep details)
The difference is that usually self-inserts show mc being great already, but this one shows her way to becoming all that great. So author probably does not consider this kind of behaviour unappealing and treats it as a natural reaction to the "injustice of the world".
star fire is literally set to be used to dealing with goths/edgy teens, considering she’s best friends with raven
Exactly raven wasn’t even that a mean person she’s just being moody, don’t like to be bothered, loves peace and quiet, and mostly minding her own business. THAT’S the type of gothic I like!
@@raevynchisolm7817 exactly! this book was literally just an excuse to pump out some sort of "im not like the other girls" self insert and I am not here for it.
@@raevynchisolm7817 Raven would use her spells on Mandy if she found out how she’s treating her mother.
And Raven has every right to be distant and depressed. Depending on her backstory she's a survivor of genocide who if she loses control of emotions will create a bridge for literal Satan to repeat the same again on Earth. Even then she still has the courage to reach out and make connections.
Counterpoint: Raven isn’t an absolutely titanic cunt. I don’t think anyone could be prepared to deal with Mandy.
I like how Mandy only starts to "change" when she finally gets her powers. Talk about lame
Because she isn't like other girls ✋🤩✨
Ikr
@@mightychondria666 YeAh uwu
She’s now done with making everyone else miserable because she got what she wanted yayy so empowering 😍
@Sirius I don’t know about Marvel or DC stuff but with the way she’s acting does sound like the character nightstar was put to waste {or whatever is going on if that makes sense}
This is legit just Velma but as a book. Don’t try and change my mind 💀
I won’t, cuz you right
Even the art style is similar (sorta)
Velma before velma
@@xanderonamy more like Mandy before Velma
@@nightwolfteamofawesomeness9804 mandy from billy and mandy >>>>>>>>>>>> mandy from IANSF and Velma
Put her in Velma, and you won't notice anything wrong.
Because its already completely messed up 💀
To sum it up. A wattpad "iM nOT lIKe ThE OTheR GiRLs" angst self insert fanfic
Even Wattpad has more likable characters. Even I, who has taken a grand total of 0 writing classes, makes more likable characters than the ones in this monstrosity.
@@saubergt2390 it scares me how those people are in this type of industry, while some teenagers who write freaking fanfics - better than official stories - will never have the chance to get to the industry.
@@tomboywarrior3229 i can agree
Wattpad Y/N 😭
@@tomboywarrior3229 o
This YA novel, leaves a terrible message, Mandy acts like a spoiled brat to people and treats her mom disrespectfully and still ends up getting what she wants. It's telling people that you can act terrible to people and still get rewarded for it.
That seems to be a disturbing trend as of late. I mean look at people who Love Catra.
@@cartoonking1789 At least Catra is hot catgirl with a ton of r34 potential. Some people would love her just for that.
@@cartoonking1789 To be fair, Catra spent the better part of four seasons getting beaten down for her flaws, and she actually learned from her mistakes in a believable way. She wasn’t just magically a good person after a single episode. She spent basically all of season five unlearning her toxic traits and learning to be better. This Mandy girl essentially flipped a switch and was good.
@@antongrigoryev6381 catra is a minor
@@Ghostiibat Like it ever stopped people on the Internet.
Mandy projecting her internalized misogyny onto her own mother is a side of teenagehood that really does not need to be portrayed as quirky and harmless
"iM sO quiRKy gUYs. NO onE caN UNDErstanD me. IM nOT LikE otHerS GIRls!"-Mandy
@@bruh-104 She was the creator of these type of people
Gotta love how Mandy is chubby while Starfire is very skinny. Idk but I feel like she’s saying that skinny girls are overly obsessed with their looks or being pretty
What do u guys mean internalized misogyny. It's toxic femininity
it isnt and doesnt? does everything immoral in a story need to be attached to a warning sign for the audience to get this is not admirable?
Looks at picture of Mandy and the book's writer.
"They're the same picture."
It's Velma except with Teen Titans and a graphic novel.
I actually think they could've played around with her being ignorant of the French culture outside of stereotypes, just like Starfire would've been ignorant to human nature or way of speaking, etc, and Mandy would've had to establish what it feels like to be an isolated foreigner in an unfamiliar place--it'd make her less inclined to make fun of Starfire's speech and probably give her a new respect for her mother, because I'm sure she'd struggle learning about any culture outside of her own.
I think that the idea of having sweet, open, bright and bubbly Starfire being a bad mother was a bad idea. It pisses me off no end.
Exactly. Starfire would give the world to her child.
She's not even a bad mom by what the comic shows. Lots of tell and no show.
@@JayRedGear That could be a problem in itself. A parent who gives everything that their child wants with no inconvenience does breed a certain insolence into the children.
Mandy is such a self conscious wreck that every one of her moms words of encouragement/attempts to bond are seen as belittlement and condescension that she lashes out at an illusion of her mother that doesn't mesh with the reality of who her mom actually is.
Like many teenagers Mandy is pretty terrible with communicating with her parents and she only has one of them, so there's no outlet for her to discuss this with anyone of that age bracket but her mom who she can't talk to without having a petulant whine fest over.
You can be a kind caring parent but you still need to assert yourself as an authority figure and teacher, starfire is simply too bubbly to do that.
So we the audience see a clash in the narrative. Starfire can't approach her daughter in any way without a harsh rebuke from Mandy because she's a petulant paranoid teenager and Mandy won't approach her mother because she refuses to grow until she's threatened with death and has to be forced to watch her mom dispel that illusion that Mandy has built in her head for all these years.
That's hardly character growth, especially so late into the comics page number that we're now left with a bad taste that the comic doesn't have time to rinse out.
@@Tenebraeification dude
@@Tenebraeification tbh I think it was pure trash cuz the self insert sucked and like the original comment says making starfire a bad mother is making me mad 🧍 sure she would be bubbly but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be a good parent she is a strong person who is kind hearted she would listen to her kid idk why you took the time to write such a big paragraph
Starfire is such a genuinely fun, beautiful and likable character. How the heck did she end up with bratty, entitled, disrespectful, petty goblin for a daughter?
I mean thats still possible. We have other influences then our parents
@@alexbrown8900 and you be right, but the issue is that this is on an established character. If anything this is just Ghostbusters reboot self insert edition.
@@isaacvitela5131 I mean comic books are often kinda free with what they are doing, but i dont really wanna defend it. Its still not good.
@@alexbrown8900 you are also right on that one as well. However this makes it the exception as not only the story is bad, but this is why the comics industry isn't doing so hot. Not to mention the author had an agenda behind it. she could make an original comic, but piggybacking on an existing story is lazy for an author.
@@isaacvitela5131 yeah true
No but- she's literally the definition of "I'm not like other girls"
"I'm not like other girls, I'm so much worse"
If y/n and edgy Mary Sue had a love child
@@firstnamelastname9701 holy shit
Ikr that’s the vibe I got she’s literally so annoying and I hate her character and it made me dislike the author. She just wanted attention and to feel like she was someone important, an MC. It’s honestly so stupid and the self insert was extremely bad. And she didn’t even look like her in the slightest beside the eye color.
@@firstnamelastname9701 fr 😟
I'm tired of the trope that teenage girls (or just teenagers in general) are all this mean, petty, rebellious mfs that just have to have beef with their parents
You didnt have kids right? xd
I have a teen cousin and she's the sweetest and doesn't argue with her parents
@@user-vm8ow6ws7e Teenage rebellion is a part of social development in adolescents in order for them to develop an identity independent from their parents or family and a capacity for independent decision-making.
They may experiment with different roles, behaviors, and ideologies as part of this process of developing an identity.
Teenage rebellion has been recognized within psychology as a set of behavioral traits that supersede class, culture, or race; some psychologists, however, have disputed the universality of the phenomenon. According to Terror Management Theory, the child's allegiance to parental authority and worldviews can weaken after the discovery that parents, like themselves and everyone else, are mortal.
This realization creates an unconscious need for security that is broader than what the parents alone provide. This can lead to new cultural allegiances, in the search for a more enduring sense of meaning.
Teenagers seek to perceive themselves a valued contributor to aspects of culture that more convincingly outlive or transcend the mortal individual's lifespan. However, since the parents also instill their cultural beliefs onto the child, if the child does not come to associate their parents' mortality with their cultural beliefs, the chances of rebellion decrease.[5]
@@user-vm8ow6ws7e Theodore Roszak was one of the first historians to analyze the teenage rebellion from the 1950s. According to Roszak, this individual movement could be compared to the Romantic Movement or even the Renaissance as people during those time periods struggled for independence the same way the youth of his society did..
There are writtings of ancient periods describing teens as having a rebelious behaviour agaisnt authority and their parents.
It is literally one of the cores of human society
@@elmecaniconaranja1126 what does that have to do with
I remember the days when the media had the 'edgy' kid being a loner goth but was still a chill and nice person. They were the type of character that when they joined the side of good, the rest of the team got a very strong member and they were thrilled. What happened to those days?
I still write characters like that because I love that trope!
my current favourite I've made is Kuroki Kurayami (literally translates to "black darkness")
Zuko is a great example
All I'm going to say is that I don't like sports, and I hated being forced to play them in school.
but I still participated and tried to do be a team player, I never went out of my way to try and make my team lose.
Mandy literally tries to make everyone feel as miserable as she is, and that's inexcusable.
Like my dad would say "Whatever you do, give it your very best". I try to stand by that especially in things where my slacking out of spite would cost the rest of my team the win, time, fun, etc. that they deserve.
Me too dude
Same
And i hated sports with a passion and sometimes my adhd does get the best of me but i always try my best to be a good teammate and play fair. It irritates me that the MC does this
actually,MC is a game,not a real life option,MC was more funner then any gameplay in the world,it’s just a UA-cam area,so be confident of your speaked passion.
SHE HAD THE PERFECT CHANCE TO CATCH THAT BALL BUT SHE JUST WALKED AWAY
You know there is a much better story about a teen being a child of a famous superhero, getting their powers, being ACTUALLY bullied, and a much more better climatic battle that does deals with the kid’s hero parent’s past coming back to haunt them.
And it’s called Sky High.
Skyhigh aka post my hero academia lol
you're right I thought that movie was basic and corny but after this its growing on me
@@batfang25animations39
Do you think Captain Celebrity went to Sky High back before he left America?
Oof
The
U-Uncle Uncleeee
right?
If you're main character is a jerk to everyone, why should we care about them?
There are stories where main characters are evil or jerks yet still likable
but this comic failed to do it, proof of bad writing
@@seaweedbanana4663 Eddy from Ed Edd n Eddy proves this
Characters can be absolute assholes or straight evil and be interesting and likable if done right
So this is simply bad writing
@@seaweedbanana4663 my fav is blitzø from helluva boss. He is definitely an *sshole but I can't help to like him.
there are instances where a character being rude and unlikeable is supposed to hold value to the story and ur purposely not meant to like them, but i do feel as if she was "supposed" to be portrayed as likeable and relatable instead, which in that case, its just bad writing.
Honestly, Mandy only looks like that like 0% of either parent because the author wanted to self insert herself in the story. Its supposed to look/represent herself just as a teen so its not really about starfires child its just an off brand wattpad fantasy story about the author being her child. The book also probably reflects herself and her mother issues when she was a teen.
So having a loving mother is a mother issue
Maybe for an in universe reason, she takes after blackfire?
She dyed her hair.
@@grape_yt_offical936 so?
I HATE how she gave Starfire pink powers, just to give Mandy the green color.
Starfire's powers have ALWAYS been green.
Was looking for this comment for ages the moment I saw her having pink powers I was like "wtf was wrong with her green powers" not to mention it would make sense her and her daughter would both have green powers since they're related and I get blackfire had purple powers and is starfires sister but maybe they got their powers colour from each parent like one had green one had purple
In some comics her powers are pink
In some of the older teen titans comics, starfire's powers were pink
I like how people are responding to this comment 2 years later 😂😁
But there's one thing we can collectively agree on, Mandy sucks
"Look how progressive we are!"
(Creates a xenophobic character who makes fun of her mother's speech, and heavily stereotypes and fetishizes French women)
Edit: Just adding the dictionary Xenophobia definition here since several people were unfamiliar with the term
Xenophobia: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
Im so gled im not the only one who noticed that. Even though I didnt find it that offensive, I did raised an eyebrow at that one page with Mandy in stereotypical french clothing while saying “french french french”. Do foreigners really see us like that? 😂
@@theAudaciousAudacity The clothing, maybe (but we recognize it as a stereotype and know it is not common clothing), but saying "French french french" no.
but hey, let's throw together some terribly-written wlw relationship to gloss over that!
@@theAudaciousAudacity Foreigners (where I'm from) usually stereotype french people with a baguette or croissant and constantly saying Oui Oui
"But she likes a girl!"
Shut up yall didnt even try to give them chemistry
Considering Mandy's appearance, I half expected the twist to be she was Blackfire's kid with the slug alien she married in the cartoon.
LOL! XD
Even that would have been a better background story😂😂
@@anishaganguly1440 Starfire adopts her sister's kid so she can have a chance to live a peaceful life only for Blackfire to show up and tempt Mandy to become a tyrant like her.
Also, SLIME POWERS!
Well, it is stated that she dyed her hair and her natural hair color is actually ginger, and flashbacks show her with ginger hair
OMG LMAO
Even if France didn't have superheroes, Starfire is a world-renowned superstar. That's like thinking people in France don't know who Tom Cruise is because they don't have Hollywood there.
I was about to say that too!
Ladybug and chat noir :*Are we joke to you*
@@Nanno888 different universe
as french, LITTERALY.
The justice league of europe (90s version) had their primary base in paris !
4:38 oh boy, as a French person this part made me cringe sooooo hard. Why... just why. Also I don’t understand why they created such an unlikable character. I don’t care that she’s fat, goth, and lesbian, the main problem with her is her attitude. She’s just mean and apathetic
The worst part is she doesn’t make ANY effort to learn the language, not even “bonjour”
Fat goth and lesbian is every terrible writer's favourite way to pretend their horseshit manuscript is deep and profound. As a fat bisexual goth it really just makes it harder to be a fat bisexual goth without everyone assuming everything you say and do means you're trying to be next CEO of tumblr. Very annoying. (Of course I have no issue with inclusivity, tolerance, and respect, but people really don't take some of the things I say seriously just because I was wearing black eyeshadow when I said it.)
Wait- but if Mandy is a self insert to the writer-
*wouldn’t that mean the author just exposed themself for being xenophobic??-*
EXPOSEDD
There’s a line between writing a character with realistic bad traits and exposing your own bias. The author did backflips over that line
fck is xenophobic???
just because a character is based on someone doesn't mean they ARE that person, just look at Eddsworld
@@Xeorboom it's an self insert, they insert on how they are an act
They didn’t even bother telling us who the dad was.
The Penguin
Anything to pass the bechdel test
Gollum.
My guess is because Starfire has had multiple husbands and boyfriends, the author saw her as some cheap thot.
Some people say it's Nightwing but I'm not sure.
Here's a clue that the writer is trying to shame Starfire every chance she gets.
Star increases her power from sunlight so revealing clothes makes sense given she needs to be in contact with it to gain strength. Her wearing flattering or 'revealing' clothing isn't just a personal choice but one that helps her physically. Whether you find Starfire 'slutty' or not, at least fucking understand some of the aspects of her powers.
Star also 'ran away' as a child herself, not a an adult like the comic is trying to pass off. She was around Mandy's age so she has grounds for coming for helping since she was over whelmed and too young to fight off a massive battle like that, yet the book is trying to portray the act of asking for help cowardly, at least when Starfire does it.
Thee story is also skewing the way people would naturally react towards someone like Mandy. She is constantly belittling other people, giving them justification to not hang out with her. Even if she felt she was in the shadow of her mother, she's still taking out her angst on other people and even ruining things they enjoy for herself (the baseball game). During her attempts to 'clap back' to the so-called bullies, it makes no sense because her whole deal was she felt underminded by her mother's powers but she just revealed her alien heritage. The correct reaction from the kids shouldn't have been fear but adoration at that point since that's the type of thing they would have wanted to hear.
There are tons of books that focus on this type of story so this one means absolutely nothing. I feel nothing for Mandy because she's a detestable little shit but hey. I guess that's the writer too.
Also the fact Mandy obliterates Blackfire with little effort after just getting her powers, when she along with Starfire would have far more training and experience. Showing Mandy is a better natural fighter as a dumpy goth then her mother as a fit life-long warrior and hero.
Unironically, Starfire is the "slutty" one but in this, Blackfire is dressed like she just got back from a 2 week long orgy.
Ikr? And when mandy insulted starfires broken english I almost broke my phone.
She did not jus insult starfire like that💀
@@the_don1542 This is my biggest pet peeve. If you yourself are not multilingual, kindly shut the fuck up about other people not speaking both languages perfectly. I'd like to see them try to learn another language.
@@the_don1542 “nO iTs tHe nOt!!” I was just hoping for Starfire to get Raven to azarath mentrion zintos Mandy’s ass
Not to mention Mandy got upset at Claire for taking a picture with the Teen Titans? Great, now she wants to control what her girlfriend can and cannot post. Because god forbid anyone to take a selfie with celebrities! I’m getting Catra and Adora PTSD from this toxicity.
And Mandy's relationship with Starfire's almost resembles Glimmer and Angela's when you think about it.
Starfire wasn't even in the picture and Mandy acted like she was being used.
Why encourage toxic behavior? What does it gain?
SJW logic: "We don't want that young girls have a toxic relationships with male.." Oh but they actually can be jerk to other girls. That's fine
I bet Mandy's relationship with Claire will be really toxic(
2 types of self inserts:
•The person you wish you could be
•The person you wish you could get away with being
Velma and Mandy as opposed to Spider-Man for example
I just know that somebody read this, said “I bet that nothing could be worse than this”, and now we have Velma…
Mindy kahling probably read this and thought “now how can I make something worse than this”
I wouldn't be surprised. xD@@Youraverageyoutubeaccount
I feel like this comic would have benefited from copying the Goofy Movie format. Have Mandy and Starfire go on a road trip because Starfire thought that Mandy is being distant towards her is because they haven't spent enough time together due to her fashion and superhero work.
Then, throughout the road trip they both get stopped by Starfire's fans and enemies. Through this, both of them can see different perspectives of each other.
Starfire can see that by her giving more attention towards her fans due to her bubbly and somewhat naive nature, she unintentionally pushes attention both away and towards Mandy. Thus, making her understand her bitterness towards her.
Meanwhile, Mandy can understand that, obviously, being a publicly known superhero doesn't give you all the right attention because it puts a target on the ones they love constantly. She'll get to hear villains commenting on how they tried to kidnap her throughout her life in order to get to Starfire but her mother kept getting in the way in the nick of time and out of her sight because she wanted Mandy to have happy childhood. Thus, finally making her understand her mother's struggle and know that she truly wanted nothing but the best for her.
A bit of rewrite to make Mandy less rude and standoffish to make her character's viewpoint more understandable and sympathetic for the audience and boom! You got yourself a decent family-themed YA novel.
Those kinds of stories can be great.
But then there would be no smothering forced and bland lesbian romance then :p
@@cartoonking1789 Whelp, good riddance to SJWBS, then. We don't need it, honestly.
that sounds all good and dandy but that would make story actually interesting and mandy somewhat relatable and we can't have that now, can we?
That sounds...potentially hilarious.
Imagine creating a self-insert character....who is awful. I hope there's some self-realization/soul searching that occurs after that.
Yeah... I have a bit of disdain for Tamaki after that.
The Velma Show: "Allow me to introduce myself."
More likely they’ll come up with something insane to protect their ego.
"I'm Not Starfire." More like "I'm Dumpstarfire!"
Dumpsterfire
@@dali3839 it’s dumpstarfire because dump-starfire it’s just adding dump onto starfires name
I'm dumpstarfire
I'm dumpsterfire
I'm dumpster fire
I'm a dumpster fire
HAH
@@heavenlydusk I hear this to the tune of the Comfortable Doug song :(
The origin story behind the making of the Velma show:
I am not Starfire is legit just "I'm not like other girls I'm a jackass and I'm so edgy and quirky"
The daughter of, canonically, the hottest man and woman in the DC universe, somehow looks like… Well, not orange, to say the least.
Is she adopted?
Also one of the nicest.
It's actually Penguin's kid impersonating Starfire's daughter
So I’ve seen the artist’s tweets about why Mandy looks that way. And it’s because she wanted to portray the struggles of white passing people… which is weird because the only thing she herself managed to boil those struggles down too, was people saying she didn’t look mixed.
What the comic doesn't show is that now that her powers are starting to manifest, she starts burning all sorts of calories (her "not orange" skin doesn't process sunlight as efficiently as her mom) and she starts combat training with her mom and the other Titans. Within two months she's down to 6% body fat while still eating as many calories as an Olympic swimmer. It turns out that her tendency to overeat was always a part of her half Tamaranian biology trying to get the energy it needed for her cosmic powers. It also causes a growth spurt and, by her 18th birthday, she'll have grown a foot taller. The "body positivity" crowd are livid on Twitter.
She still won't do modeling jobs, because that would be "totally $*#!! selling out" for a goth chick like Megan, but her girlfriend's selfies with her on instragram go viral all the time, now.
People try to defend this book by saying it at least introduce a fresh concept for the superhero genre by having the protag having no powers despite being child of a superhero.
even though, that concept isn't particularly new at all. It is even the kind of concept used a lot in fanfics and some of those are even better written too.
Powerless child of a superhero fights their parent's nemesis and discovers they actually do have powers? Totally original. It's only _exactly like_ Sky High.
Johnathan Kent in Superman and Lois doesn't have any superpowers (at least so far).
Yeah, and skyhigh
so true DIO
@@goatkoala573 SIDEKICK
I write a fanfic and my main is the only character who can't use magic, it's the same thing as no superpowers. It can be effective, but this trope is used pretty often
Did you notice that when writers/directors in today's comic book and animation industries try to make "realistic" characters they just make unlikeable people? If that's what being a real person is like, then I'd rather live as a cartoon and be as much of a good person like the OG Superman as possible, a man who stands for truth, justice and the old-fashioned American way.
It's almost as if they intentionally want you to dislike them.
I find it weird people consider being an unlikable, selfish asshole "realistic," like, I've met bad people, but also a lot of good people. People aren't perfect, that much is true, but it doesn't mean 99% of us are awful.
Billy Batson was chosen and given god powers because he stayed positive despite having a horrible life.
But for a reboot they decided to make him edgy and reward his "I'm 14 and this is deep" speech with god powers.
I hate the "realistic" reasoning. These are superheroes, belief has been suspended already.
Not just the American way, but all of humanity. Or whatever he said in the season premier of the DCAU Justice League.
But yes, I agree; realistic people are either cruel or boring. People should be more like Supes. : )
It’s because they’re unlikeable.
Mandy's ugly behavior is not only poorly written, but it makes the audience question what Starfire and Mandy's friends even see in her.
She only has one friend (I think theyre non binary) who I'm pretty sure was forced to he her friend. And her girlfriend Claire never even knew she existed until Mandy made up with Starfire.
honestly seeing how Starfire mentioned in the 2004 show that Tamaranians' powers are also based on their emotions, this couldve been an oppurtunity for Starfire's teenage daughter struggling with her emotions, how they affect her powers, and how she doesnt feel like a real Tamaranian because of it
It actually came out in 2003 not 4
i hate how starfire is portrayed. she’s not a stripper. when she wears exposing things, it’s really a part of her character and planet. she doesn’t wear it to be sexy. like wtf stop sexualizing her…
Exactly. And even IF it was all to be sexual, who cares lol. Slut-shaming is Hella unnecessary
@@Miguel-xd8dd yeah exactly
I mean, obviously certain design choices, especially in early comics, had sex appeal in mind. I'm looking at you, cat-woman. To completely boil a character down to that and only that is stupid, though. Superman isn't just a chiseled jawline, cat-woman is a complex character, and Starfire is an amazing person.
@@thecpmr6276 yeah. amazing female leads are being stripped of any of their original distinct moving parts and replaced with “oh sexy woman”
Her whole fucking character revolves around being sexualized lmao
Now I am almost tempted to write a Story where Mandy really *does* go to France, and all her Expectations are shattered.
(Yes, I know. I am very petty)
And she gets a Reality Check by a the french Girl she hooked up with- who would turn out to be a Superheroine.
We need something like "Emily in Paris" for her.
"You don't know the Culture, you don't bother to learn the Language....you treat France as nothing more than your Amusement Park.
And after a Year of Wine, and Food, and S*x, and.....maybe a little bit of Culture, you grow bored and go back Home, having learned absolutely nothing."
that was legitimately the only good scene and the only redeeming quality in emily in paris, everything else in that show freaking sucked .
bestie drop the link I gotta read this lmao
Wow, pro
Yes, you are very pretty 🤩
@@anak5880 Kinda random....
Still, thank you. I appreciate the Compliment.
Okay, all I'm saying is, in the 2003 animated show Starfire's powers are based on her emotions. The obvious (to me, at least) plot is to have her teenage daughter struggling with her mental health, which blocks her powers, which makes it even worse. Through the book she learns to bond with other people, gets on better terms with her mother, and learns to ask for help from others, and because she ends the book with a better mental health status she is able to pull at her powers at last. Maybe she had some access to them as a kid, but lost her grip on them as she got older, and that eats at her. This way, you have a continuous plot where characters are doing things...but you have your underlying theme- she doesn't get her powers because she's in danger, or because she drops the brat act when she's in danger, but because she was able to take care of herself.
That’s a great idea.
I made a picture where i replace mandy with my self
@@yeahimashley9515 I like that take on it
That is an excellent plot idea.
You just wrote a better plot then this published author
The fact that they immediately go for goth and broody as a “relatable character” just goes to show how much the person making it actually knows about teenagers.
This used way too often in my opinion.
Child of superheroes:
- has no powers until the “big battle” where their plot armor comes into play.
- has to be goth or act unappreciative and rude
- overall just a little shit.
- and must hate and detest their superhero parents for being just that, superhero’s.
It’s annoying and a bit offensive, considering they are invalidating the feelings of teenagers by saying “we don’t see you as anything but rude and gothic because we don’t understand you and don’t want to understand.”
I’m more so on the punk-alternative side so yes, tattoos, piercings, makeup, the works. On occasion. I’m still a person and I don’t need that stuff all the time, plus I’m 19 so i have to be aware of my work environment.
I find it embarrassing for someone to behave that way and think that everything has to work out in their favor because “I’m wearing black, I’m so goth, my life is pain and suffering, please pity me and give me what I want.”
This was Velma before Velma
The way how they write these unlikable characters and not understand why readers aren't interested isn't because the characters they write are more relatable, it's because readers & audience don't want to relate to those characters.
Actually Scott pilgrim main character is kinda a douche but at least he’s not a complete douche
@@moka_dotz3149 Yeah he really was
The issue with this is that it also lacks logic. I can get past her ambition to go to france because she’s naive like a young teen would be, her hypocrisy like a young teen would be, and many other things that make her a horrible yet honestly relatable character. There are things that just don’t make sense though. Her not wanting to go to college because of debt even though that clearly wouldn’t be an issue. Her purposefully doing bad in sports even though she would have had to want to try out, make it past tryouts, and somehow not be benched. There are other examples but these make it difficult to relate to a character when the story itself kind of lacks logic.
I don't have a huge problem with unlikable protagonist, I think they can be incredibly interesting and even relatable if you're self aware enough.
My problem is that no one calls her out on her behavior- to me it's bad writing, it just makes it seem like the author doesn't have the common sense to know that normal people would not put up with that kind of attitude
@@tourmaline9647 Bojack Horseman was a terrible person, but he gets called out for his behavior. He had reasons for being that way, but he changes after seeing the bad in himself
Sometimes I wonder. There are SOOOO MANY fantastic artists out there that put so much work and thought into what they do but shit like this gets a green light within the industry. The world is so fucking unfair it's crazy.
It's a sad day for entertainment when this shit gets a green light. I can PM 10 people that can make a better story than this in their sleep with one arm.
@@cecejamesable 😂😂😂😂
Reminds me of the golden age of warhammer 40k fan animation and how it all ended up getting replaced with absolutely garbage official content when GW's copyright lawyers decided to step in.
The only redeeming thing, for whatever that’s worth here, is that she finally became self aware and realized she’s the problem. And it’s not like Adora believing she left Catra either, there was merit behind Mandy realizing how bad she was. But that’s it, that’s the only good thing I found
She only kinda realizes shes the issue. Like shes the issue between herself and her mom. She still felt like she had a right to act the way she did with everyone else, including her love interest.
The issue is that Mandy realises this too late in the third act, which doesn't give us a satisfying narrative conclusion. More often than not, the protagonist has their turning point at the start of the third act ("Yes, I CAN defeat the villain!" "I need to change my ways." "I AM in love with so-and-so!" Etc.) But as M and J point out, the main conflict is introduced in the third act, so Mandy's turning point just feels like something that was crammed in at the last minute.
"their house is really big and its decorated in pink and that's not very cheap" idk but this is my fav line even tho my fav color is blue
I am not Starfire is the Book version of Velma
Mandy’s lack of powers was very easy to fix. Not sure about comic canon, but in the show, Starfire’s powers come from emotions.
Maybe Mandy always had similar powers, but her apathy caused them to stop working. And by opening up to her mother about her anxiety and insecurities, she regains them.
There, fixed.
Turning Red or Ruby Gillman but less generational trauma or something idk
Like I’m imagining a scene where Mandy’s arguing with her mom again and she yells about how she feels and she suddenly becomes really powerful
Bro this makes me wish this was a animated movie with Mandy being less rude, still goth, and wanting to live in a remote cottage with her girlfriend
Her and her mom clash personalities and argue a lot and eventually, during the climax, Mandy regains her powers thanks to maybe an argument or something and she beats the shit out of Blackfire
Oh and it’s more canon and the other starfire child was her sister or something
Plus all other problems fixed.
3d animation, to be specific
When UA-cam commenters can easily come up with superior writing to your published work you know you’re in trouble
Mandy is exactly the same as the author's previous mc for one of her other works. They practice Wikka (or however it's spelled), black hair, LGBT, same in love trope, same personality, same attitude, and same body type/features as well as a school theme. While these traits aren't inherently bad, it's bad they are being reused so often in the same combo for her characters. Mandy is just a revamp of her old mc from a previous series and said old mc is directly inspired by herself. These reoccurring mc traits are annoying and she is doomed to start failing more as she makes more published works with the same format.
Yeah, you make a good point. Also, I feel like it wouldn't be as egregious if these characters were actually likable. I'm all for LGBTQ+ characters (especially since I, myself, am pan) and characters with different body types, as well as seeing characters that have more of an alternative fashion sense, but not only are characters like Mandy really annoying, but they also get bland a lot quicker than characters that have likable qualities, especially if they have the same appearance, demeanor, character arc, etc.
Mandy is the literal personification of every SJW stereotype, i hate it
Good to know it, now I'm truly confident that this person have no creativity to create characters.
@@ForlornIsMyUnicorn there are alot of bad straight white guy characters, especially in movies. we complain, your just not there to hear it.
I mean I liked skim tho tbh but this sounds distinctly bad
I'd also like to point out while I personally don't mind the artstyle choices, myself..... Yeah. They only succeed in making Mandy look uglier and uglier with every passing page, just like how her character gets more and more awful, reading those said pages.
Basically though, the artstyle just isn't DC-worthy. It looks and feels like an easily forgotten gallery of R34 on Tumblr before that site went down, or an equally so webcomic that gets canned because it sucks. The latter is all this should've been, honestly.
Tumblrs not down though
@@rosenrot234 Down massively in popularity to ever use, though? It most certainly is that. And given the toxicity of it, having it go down for good might be for the best, honestly...
some of the facial expressions are very funny to me. it’s definitely not got the quality that i usually expect from the art
@@shakurburton9358 So what medium would we contain these abominations? They would proliferate everywhere else. Tumblr is a necessary evil.
@@raishw6483 Any "necessary evil: is still evil, sadly. This kind of artstyle doesn't belong in comics we're meant to take seriously like superheroes and supervillains fare, unfortunately.
I absolutely hate the Goth stereotype of just being an asshole....
Honestly most Goths I've met have been super sweet nice people. Intelligent caring people.
But for some reason they get this stereotype of just being a heartless asshole.....
"I Am Not Starfire"
B***h, trust me. NO ONE, mistook you for Starfire.
I honestly love the way Star Fire talks. I find it very cute and refreshing. Shes so bubbly but in the best ways.
The only good to come out of this is the creation of Edgar Allan Logan.
Someone did this comic's concept with Raven having a peppy jock character for a son and it's quite wholesome.
I saw that, he deserves to be cannon!
Can you give a link?
@@ohshit4860 Sadly I can not, it's just a couple of stretches. But they do appear in the image search for I'm not Starfire Edgar Allan. (Along with some redesigns of Mandy that make her actually look human.)
I just looked for it! You're right, they're si wholesome!!
@@TheeKaroolyne My favorite is a tie between the family photo and Edgar Allan trying to come up with a hero name.
The worst part is that it is so easy to see a better version of this. A version of Mandy who wants to connect with her mother but feels unable to because her mother never grew up on earth and lives a double life. She lashes out as a result and struggles to connect to others, but feels bad about being mean and wants to be less lonely. On paper, I was very much like Mandy when I was younger, but I never went as far as she does and I worked hard to put myself out there and not treat everyone as an enemy. This... this is just sad.
Well from her backstory it makes sense she would grow bitter and resentful. The problem was she lashed at everyone else too much
How you gone add yourself to YOUR own book and be the most unlikable character 💀
I think it's better they didn't let Moriko Tamaki get no where near Nightstar. Then she would have just done the typical thing and made an established character into a self-insert and ruin her in the process. This can at least be ignored and brushed aside as the typical modern comic pro story - unless they decide to double down and say this is Nightstar, and then cometh the ire.
Mariko Tamaki actually did this very thing writing for the Supergirl TV show - Season 5, Episode 16. She turned Alex Danvers into a lesbian Supergirl; created another cameo Supergirl who is Asian; and named a location "Tamaki Air Force Base". Triple self-insertion, all in one episode.
@@heroineburgh oh my god seriously? This is all so new to me, why so many self-inserts oh my god. I am dying.
@@heroineburgh well, that says something about the quality of writers they put on that show. After I started watching Flash and Arrow I really wanted to enjoy Supergirl but jeez
@@vicentecastro4221 The writers they select for those CW shows seem to vary by episode - I was merely pointing out what Tamaki did on the single episode she wrote, in order to clearly show her pattern of self-insertion. The most thematically consistent show on the CW is Stargirl, and that might be because of Geoff Johns' supervision. But even they can slip up and go woke: in the current Stargirl Season 2 EP8, Eclipso clearly says he hates Beth Chapel (the teenage Dr. Mid-Nite) because she is black. Note: Eclipso has *never* expressed racism even once in the comics, not once, even under several different identities. But you look at the writer's credit, and it's black writer Steve Harper, who went to Harvard and Juilliard and got an NEA Endowment scholarship. You get the sense he was thoroughly inculcated in academia. Right there on Harper's IMDB it says, "His work examines spirituality, sexuality, race, class and often deals with spirit creatures, mythical beings and powers beyond human understanding." He's probably been waiting patiently to make one of his "spirit creatures" blatantly oppressive, and then Eclipso comes along....
@@BrrmBrrmm To be honest, if the story is well written, I never mind self-insert or OC-insert story, sometimes I even think it's kinda cute, because the author wants to be more involved in it, but this kind of self-insert is just a no no :"D
So let me get this straight? She’s supposed to be the daughter of star fire? Yet she’s super white and chunky with dark hair? Oook then
Im pretty sure the father isn’t mentioned or talked about so she could possibly have gotten most of her looks from her dads side
@@asherose9149 I don't get this argument that kid should be as thin as their parents. Weight isn't genetic, metabolism is. It could very well be that she has an eating disorder. Starfire could spoil her rotten given how nice she is. If being fat was genetic "fat acceptance" would make sense
@@icecreammm665 Technically, in the actual and ORIGINAL comics of DC, (With Starfire's and NightWing's/Dick Grayson's actually daughter, it is shown that the genes of Starfire's people is stronger then those of human. So while their daughter got her father's black hair, everything else is from her mother. Her figure, her strength, her eyes. Because Starfire and her people are warrior aliens, so they don't have fat, they have muscles). So the fact that THIS version of Starfire's daughter is white and chunky, makes no sense whatsoever.
I think I remember seeing that (aside from self-insert), it's mentioned that Mandy took to eating and developed an unhealthy relationship between food and her feelings/thoughts. Also, the art style itself is a bit thicker than the norm we see in DC comics.
Because she’s the author’s self-insert. Nothing more.
In some cases having an unlikable main character makes for an excellent story,, for example, Bojack Horseman. He’s an awful person but a perfectly and amazingly written character. But with Mandy she’s an extremely unlikable character attempting to be passed off as a good person and as a victim and everything works out okay for her in the end due to the usual “good guys win” ending.
Writing a main character who’s a bad person turns out much better when the audience isn’t meant to feel bad for them or agree with them in any way.
Exactly! Framing is everything. The most frustrating thing about Mandy is that she is framed as the victim and the hero, for what? Even just having a character call her out or face a consequence for her actions would make it more bearable
Fr, Like just look at Greg Heffley
"She wears less than a yard of fabric every day yet somehow im the one who is dressing weird"
Mandy your attitude is misogynistic and rude-
As a person who actually wants to go to France and is learning the language and culture, neither a facepalm nor two middle fingers would be enough to express my anger towards Mandy
Don't you just love stories where complete hypocrites get to treat everyone like shit and be rewarded in the end? I pity todays youth if these are the kinds of heroes they get to look forward to following.
Literally marinette
@@kkfv2442 agreed
As a french women, I can confirm we wouldn't want her anyway lmao 🤣
Napoleon did not fight for this
@@tedtheodore5715FACTS
*Mandy : Paris has no heroes*
MLB Fans : I take offense to that..
As a Miraculous Fan, I agree LOL
Same. They're there, AND they're MUCH better!!
lmao , as a mlb an , i 100% agree
I too, love major league baseball
@@firefin1014 lmaoo
Sounds like Mandy and Velma would make the best of friends.
I wonder if the creator is really like this in real life, or if she purposely wrote a bad story because she knew it would get her more attention.
Starfire was my childhood all time favourite cartoon girl ever. Her daughter is just not what I had imagined through her.
Exactly what’s her REAL actual daughter look like 🙄
Did Mariko Tamaki insist that Mandy be drawn as ugly as possible in every panel she's in or did the artist do it just to get back at her?
"I am not Starfire"
And I am not buying
I’m sorry but there’s no wayyy any kid raised by the sweetest alien ever would act like that. It just isn’t possible 😆 like the swearing for example - Starfire just wouldn’t tolerate that kind of language - no way
Not to open old wounds, but feel theres a lot of parallels between this one and the Mindy Kaling Velma show. I can't be the only one.
No Mandy it is you. Your still the Anti-Starfire
* you're
@@hereliesviktor1570 does it matter
@@thisaccountisnolongerinuse4049 not really lmao
@@hereliesviktor1570 then why did u say it then?
@@thisaccountisnolongerinuse4049 why not?
As someone who is (~half) French, the bloody obsession with France and stereotyping makes me cringe coz I know the hell my uncles and grandpa ain't wearing striped shirts with moustaches, drinking coffee and eating baguettes (maybe the coffee but that's an international thing like bruh). Also, to me going to another country willingly and not even bothering to TRY to learn the language is rude af
My friend is French and gets really excited to visit during summers. Recently, I asked her what she loves about France and she said the food and beach, things that happen in the US.
Bb. C b
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@@rekindledflame5058 huh?
About the language thing is it really that bad. I have learned a few languages for places I want to visit but I want go everywhere and probably won’t be able to learn every language. Do I get a pass?
>going to another country willingly and not even bothering to TRY to learn the language
is such an american thing to do lol
It was such a bullshit move she got her powers in the end she didn't even say sorry to her mom or Claire I wish Claire got with Debra instead
I’m shocked Mandy didn't drop a couple of pounds considering how much she (couldn’t even without breathing heavy) runs away from problems. Girl runs away, halfway walks because she can’t run without scaring the neighborhood with the force of 10 titans stomping around, and runs to a coffee shop. COFFEE SHOP. No wonder everyone assumes this is Mariko’s self insert.
The fact that this is official feels so wrong.
When I first heard about this, just based off the title, I thought it was gonna be about a girl who somehow gets confused for being Starfire, when in reality she's just some kid and not a superhero. Kinda wish that's what we actually got :(
The relationship between Mandy and Starfire kind of reminds me of Glimmer and Angela.
At Least Mandy realized she was the one in the wrong, and Starfire didn’t get the Angela treatment
@@linusmota9712 Thank goodness for that.
@@lavenderplace8591 starfire still deserved better. And Angella shouldn’t have “died” that way
@@linusmota9712 Agreed
Well at least glimmer was more nice to her mother
Yikes I cant imagine how awful the author is if her self-insert is this bad
i was honestly really disappointed that she ended up manifesting powers in the end. this could have been a really cool story about not needing special powers to be strong.
Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that she only cared for her mom when she was hurt by Blackfire? (7:35)
Who the heck is this book for? Young Adults of today would laugh at this amateur childlike writing and find it boring and good thing it's not for kids because this sends a terrible message. Mandy has very little redeeming qualities about herself, this book had the most lazy ending I've seen this year and its in mainstream...
A teen could write this book and probably many have written themselves as the hero of their own story filled with angst, self-pity and yearning to have instant change in their circumstances in life without much effort because superpowers solve everything.
I kinda wish Mandy was the classmate of Nightstar instead? Mandy could still be the protagonist/daughter of famous superheros who struggle with being different and lacking powers. She can still be a bitter asshole that disrespects everyone. Have her be bitter about Nightstar seemingly being "better off" than her, eventually realize Nightstar has her own struggles, learn to appreciate and understand the people around her, and gradually change herself into a better person.
Sorry just rambling here, idk about DC so apologies if this is ooc for her.
…Have you ever thought about working for DC?
I hate e everything about “I am not Starfire.” Also, is it PC for Mandy to be objectifying French girls? And was there even any hints that her friend was bi? What a coincidence either way.
You know, I think that this concept actually *could* work, with some changes. Growing up as the daughter of a famous and powerful superhero would likely put a lot of unwanted attention and stress on her, and her parents would likely be at least a little absent due to their duties, leaving the daughter to be alone most of the time. Having to deal with all the societal baggage and danger that comes with being a part of a superhero family would make a very engaging storyline.
Mariko Tamaki needs to go to a psychiatrist and fix her mommy isues instead of self insert into a comic and not fix her problems at all...
I thought she was an ugly Raven redesign at first.
DC fans would riot and I would be there
@@EllieofAzeroth me too
@@EllieofAzeroth i dont even like dc comics and even i would riot
She’s definitely prettier than raven imo, she’s just plus sized.
@@b0nsaibabe wait, prettier than Raven? The Raven from teen titans?
Is it just me or does Mandy look live every other “depressed” 13 year old girl lol 😩
Yeah she does, random but I like your Pfp. I'm guessing you're a danganronpa fan
I can assure you i almost look like this (minus the piercings and overweight) when i was 12 and edgy lmao
Okay Kotoko pfp
As a 13 year old girl, agreed. She looks even worse
The part where Mandy deliberately doesn’t catch the ball pisses me off.
Im often put on teams where i dont know anyone and/or dont really like the kids. But i still TRY. Like ill walk around where everyone else is and i might try and catch something every once and awhile. Like im not “IM NOT GONNA CATCH THE BALL BECAUSE I HATE EVERYONE HERE GOD WHY DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND ME JEEZ”
2:58 I need to point out that sounds very out of character for Starfire. She’s sweet and I highly doubt she would hate someone’s looks, as she’s too naive and nice for it. Plus, she’s naive, but not stupid (which is my biggest bone to pick for Teen Titans Go)
I can't even lie tho the art style is so phenomenal
Has there been another writers' strike in the entertainment industry? Because, it seems like media has forgotten how to tell good stories that include messages rather than just bullet point whining through a scenario.
The problem isn’t the writers. There are plenty of amazing writers in every industry. It’s the censorship by the higher ups, the companies. Both the writer and illustrator are very talented creators. But when it comes down to working with these companies run by literal jackasses, predators, and more, they and their abilities are so stifled that what would have been something incredible becomes something unrecognizable. I’m hoping to enter the field myself, even studying it, but I am so hesitant to ever work for a big company because of this. Big companies give health insurance but indie groups allow so much freedom.
There is currently a writer’s strike
Why does DC need Mandy when Raven is right there
Having just heard of this comic’s existence, I am devastated. Yoshi Yoshitani is a brilliant artist - and it’s obvious that they didn’t put their full effort into this work, especially the colour palettes. To be honest, I have always disliked Tamaki’s writing, and it seems that now the comic industry has started giving her established properties to over dramatise and self-insert into. Great.
when I first heard about the book [which I _also_ first thought was a magazine] , I thought it was the _voice actor_ of Starfire describing her life about how she's stereotyped to be like Starfire.
_man do I regret finding out the truth_
the only thing I can appreciate about this book is the art style- other than that, this should've never been published
The one thing i like about this book is the artstyle
*I am Not Starfire exists*
Me: Let's see how my *I don't care* meter is after learning about this comic books existence.
Vegeta: It's over 9000!
Me: Thought so. Thanks Vegeta!