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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- The Yamaha R7 has the worst name ever. Here's why.
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📖 CHAPTERS
0:00 Yamaha R7 Release
0:27 Yamaha Fanboy
1:11 The R7 Was A Big Mistake
1:53 I Don’t Hate The Bike Itself
2:15 Yamahas Naming System
3:01 Big Shoes To Fill
3:46 R7 History
4:34 My R7 Experience
5:07 Confused Friend
5:27 Petition To Change Its Name
6:12 Aprilia Did It Better
6:38 Why Have 'R' In The Name
7:00 My R6 History
7:14 Potential R9
Having an R7 that I daily, I can safely say the R7 was never meant to replace the R6. The R7 is it's own machine that's a great commuter and lots of fun.
Exactly! Great bike, wrong name
Yeah it should be called YZF700R or YZF-R07 something like that.
R07 sounds weird, but it does make more sense
If it was a 700cc ish 4 cyl sure. Go with R7
@@someguy9520 Yeah I suppose it does but it shouldn't be MT-07R either as MTs are naked bikes only. Nothing wrong with YZF700R though. Maybe bring back the Thunderace name with that too.
The R9 however will deserve its name and doesn't ruin the memory of any older models.
@@ChaosCauses I think about the people who buy a expensive bike and know nothing about HP, inline 2 vs inline 4 are retards. Not the name because of tenere 700, tracer 7, MT-07, and xsr700 are mean the same CP2 engine. I owned the 2021 tracer 9, and now a R7 for track and i happy for bout motocykle.
Unlike the others? Kawasaki has kept their 600 alive and made it compliant with euro 5 and on top of that they also brought a 400cc inline 4. How is that not keeping up with the segment?
Ninja 650 is technically the same since it came out just electronics and emission norms made any difference.
9k for a 400 I’s the problem
@@noahshields507if you dont think a small 400cc i4 that revs to 16k rpms is not worth 9k, you are not the target audience. The bike is everything the smol bore fans have wanted since the 90’s and they are happy. Ryan F9 himself said it best, the bike is perfect as is, no mods.
@@noahshields507the zx25r and zx4r market audience has always been specific, me personally I love both of them but with that type of price they put out I'd rather get other alternatives that has the same price range as those. Would I like to own one depends, if I have a money that I wanna spend on having a bike that's different compared to other bikes. The zx4r likely has my money
@@noahshields507 the r7 is 9k too and it puts out similar horse power numbers. Your point?
MT-07R is the correct name to use
You’ve ridden one?
@@user-360johnn yup just on test ride days at my local dealer. Great bike just not a track machine like an R7 was.
MT series is for torquey bikes... and...R7 sucks at torque... doesn't suits
@@chandanrajpatil9167 The R7 and the MT-07 literally have the same engine. Your comment makes no sense.
@@mfbfreakit does actually do your research if you know anything about naked vs sport bikes the naked bikes even if they use the same engine have different gearing nakeds have shorter gears for torque
The naming system has been bad the whole time, you are ignoring the R15-R3-R7-R6-R1 which makes no sense at all, with or without the R7 in it
r25
I absolutely love my r7. And I will likely sell it when the r9 comes out, and get that. Sure, the name isn't the best. And I think mt-07r would have been a fantastic name for it. But also, who buys a bike and doesn't do the most basic of Google searches on it so to not be confused by the name?
upgrade to r6
i highly doubt they will ever make a r9 as long as the r1 is still around
From experience I can tell the R7 is a really fun bike to ride, is lightweight and narrow but power wise leaves to much to desire.
half the cylinders half the power
@@rodneystewart8340 it is what it is
I have an R7 and agree that it was never meant to replace the R6...but so do Yamaha. Yamaha never marketed it as a the new R6, the community did. People saw the R7 release and started claiming Yamaha were trying to replace the R6. They weren't.
Yamaha just needed a sport bike to help fill the void between the R3 and R1. That's literally all it is. They never claimed it was here to knock the R6 off it's podium.
It's an aggressive, committed riding position not dissimilar to the R6 but slightly more forgiving. More tucked in and track oriented than the RS660 and the CBR650R but with a comparable power output. To Yamaha's credit, they gave the R7 some features that even the latest R6 never got. It's not a replacement for that bike. It's a lateral move by Yamaha into the supersport twin category so they can be more approachable and at least have something punchy and decent between their entry level sports bikes and their superbikes. People need to stop comparing the R7 and R6. They are different bikes for different purposes.
You've completely missed the point of the R7. It's a beginner sport bike that is a step up from the R3. It's for new riders that aren't teenagers and want to start on something a little more than an R3 or Ninja 400. It's not meant to replace the R6. The R6 never needed a replacement because if there was demand for a bike like the R6 they would just keep making it. The R9 will be more of a replacement for the R6 but even that won't really be comparable.
The main reason the R6 was stopped was emissions, each year in Europe they demand tighter and tighter emissions. Its easier to get a twin cylinder engine to pass than an equal displacement 4 cylinder, plus they are cheaper to make. And with the 2030 deadline for all vehicle manufactures to stop making internal combustion powered vehicles approaching, they probably didn't want to spend the money developing a new engine to pass the ever tightening emissions. The R1 will probably go next, just like Suzuki stopped selling the GSX-R1000 in many markets.
@@uhtred7860 I live in Europe. I don't need to be told about the emissions laws.
@@Ellis01234567890 My condolences.
Okay, but the r6 wasn't selling. It was failing and wasn't working.
The r7 is better than an r6 in so many ways.
It's just not *faster*.
And yet its still fast enough to shatter every speed limit in every country
While also being more comfortable, easier to ride, friendlier to everyone, etc.
People on a grom have more fun than all of us and their bikes are slow as hell.
yeah the r7 is faster than the r6 in some ways and slower in others. its kinda like the r6's alternative lifestyle brother 😂. The r9 i think will be heaps of fun, really wanna get one, but I bet theyll be hella expensive
@@hisride I'm hoping to pick up the mt09 personally just based on the almost unanimous praise, if they turn that into a sport bike style with the same engine
Triumph triples gonna be going out of business
@@iamcxd9782 yeah same, Im gonna get an mt09 2nd gen soon, amazing bikes by what ive seen
Where is the problem admitting slow bikes can be fun, and marketing them as slow bikes, rather than selling them as something that they are not. Royal Enfield seems to do pretty well on that model. So too does Harley Davidson.
@@AndyViant there isn't, and most people seem to agree since the r7 seems to be selling pretty well
It's just the squid community that wants street missiles crying that the r7 is trash compared to the r6
The biggest problem is that here in Europe you have 3 different motorcycle license (125ccm, 35kw and open). Back in the days you can reduce the power of any bike and many young choose the 600ccm supersportbikes, cause they handle perfect even with only 35kw. But few years ago, the rules changed and you can now only reduce the power of a motorcycle with has double the amount (70kw). With this rule changed, the sells of these 600ccm where gone. Thats why there are so many sportbikes with less than 70kw and even some, so called, A2-Varinte of bikes like the MT/FZ09.
I was going to get R7 from my local dealership around 2 months ago, just few papers away from bringing it home, but then the dealership offer me a test ride on ZX4RR
1 weeks later i got small bore 4 in my garage
I'm not surprised, Ive owned a couple of the original ZXR400s from the 90s and they were great fun. I have a 96 ZRX400 Eddie Lawson Replica now, same motor as the ZXR but with a retro 70s looking style, its great fun.
is that an Aprilia rs 125 in the background?
It is indeed!
@@ChaosCausesYou should make a video on it
@@ChaosCauses Are you going to plan a video about this bike?
The Honda CB750 used to have an inline 4, now it's a twin. Who cares?
The new R7 is a great bike, even on the track and it's not the successor of the R6 - it's way cheaper. Also not the successor of some prehistoric collectible that most of us never saw in the flesh.
Thousands of track day enthousiasts on a budget around the globe are celebrating because they can finally get rid of their 20 years old SV650 track tools and get a sharp looking new contemporary Supersport bike without braking the bank. A bike that features about the performance of a 90s Ducati Supersport 900 SS.
Yeah, that's really a valid reason to get mad, isn't it?
When I first heard of this R7, I had the same reaction as you. I remember the original and was annoyed that this one would be powered by a twin. As time passed, I understood the name was just to move units and that most people buying the bike wouldn’t remember or even know about the original.
It’s a fine bike in its own right, but with the advent of the new ZX-4RR, any interest I had in an R7 as an intermediate track bike is gone. What can I say, I much prefer the sound of a four cylinder screamer.
The naming scheme was definetly weird especially when the FZ series was still around.
You had the FZ06, FZ07, FZ09, FZ10 all at once..
With the 7 being slower than the 6.
That's because the marketing department in the US is retarded.
Everywhere else they were called MT from the get go, making the fz6 a completely different row of bike.
And exactly as how the R125 and R3 aren't really super sports, so is the R7. So I don't understand how people can't pull the parallel here, especially since there was never an mt06.
I have an FZ-16. Which by this naming convention should be a 1600cc. But it's actually a 153cc, 14hp motorcycle. 😅 They also have their 150cc bikes as R15 and MT-15.
it was the FZ6, there was never an FZ06. And they stopped making the FZ6 years before the FZ07 came out.
I totally agree with your view on the R7. The cbr650r you also quickly mentioned in the list is something different though: Honda doesn't have a 600r that is quicker, but a 600rr. The double "r" at the end classifies supersport bikes, the single "r" more comfortable but still sporty sportbikes and no "r" the connected naked bike with the same engine. To more clearly separate the naked bikes they are also only called "CB" and not "CBR".
By using that system in my opinion Honda created easy and clear categories to suit different needs and therefore riders while also having a bike for the European A2 license. (One that actually has four cylinders, which makes it unique in its class)
At many points of this video i had to disagree. First of all is about their naming system. Just because 7 is bigger than 6 doesn't mean that R7 should be faster than an R6. This is the biggest myth in and outside of motorcycle community that more cc = faster. a twin 750 will be slower than a 600 supersport. An 1800 cc chopper will be slower than a 600 supersport despite having 3 times the cc's. So no, just because it's an R7 doesnt mean it's an R6. Then there's your noobie friend who wants to buy the successor of an R6 and going for the R7. Imagine buying a faster bike than an R6 despite never having ridden. Who doesn't make their research on buying a $10 000 motorcycle? The name fits it perfectly. It IS supposed to be in the R series and it's a 700 so it only makes sense to be an R7. Mt07-R sounds absurd.
I don't see what the big deal or disappointment is about.
There is no rule that states an R-series Yamaha sportbike has to have a 4-cylinder engine.
The 2015 YZF-R3 showed everyone that, and by now we all know that the 3 in YZF-R3 refers to the displacement class of the bike.
As for the 1999 YZF-R7, most people looking to buy a bike like the current YZF-R7 have never heard of the 1999 bike, and you sure did not see any in the showroom or out on the streets back in the day.
Heck, many riders that did not closely follow racing back then were not aware of it.
It was simply a race homologation special built just to meet the rules - practically speaking, nobody you knew owned or rode one.
My 2 cents about there no longer being a YZF-R6 and it being replaced in the model range by the current YZF-R7:
I have never ridden the current YZF-R7, although I did ride a 2015 FZ-07 for several years, the bike the current YZF-R7 is based upon.
I also rode a 2001 YZF-R6 back in 2001 for one riding season.
In my opinion, the FZ-07 was MUCH better at sport riding on the back roads I rode on.
No contest, actually, because the power delivery makes so much more sense it just isn't funny.
If you like open freeways, Interstates, or an actual road race track to ride on, I can see why you'd like revving a YZF-R6 and thinking that is cool.
But for real back roads?
No contest.
A side benefit is with the Ti Akrapovic I had on the FZ-07, it sounded fantastic - way better than how my YZF-R6 sounded.
I don’t care about the name I never found it confusing.. I’m familiar with all the engines in every class from every manufacturer and I always knew the r7 isn’t replacing the r6.. the r9 will be replacing the r6 if they make it..
Most people are not that knowledgeable. I saw a mom looking for a bike at a dealership pushing a stroller and looking at the Ninja 650 and then saw the ZX-6R and for her brain 636cc is a smaller bike than a 650cc... I suggested she look at the Ninja 400 or the 650 instead of 134HP for a person new to bikes and said something like "bikes are 33.7x more fatal per mile than cars, you've got a young baby, you can get whatever you want but the ZX-6R is made for people like me that have nothing to lose", then when leaving I was smoking tires and drifting out the parking lot with my rotary car while she was walking out with her husband, thankfully I think she went home to do some more research.
Fun fact over a year later I bought a ZX-6R (passed a few cars today going to work at 159 indicated but that's only 149 gps), it is an excellent bike but I would surely get rid of it and settle down if I was married or had someone to be responsible for.
After increasing emissions standards, bringing out a high revving 750 is NOT what anyone expected. We expected them to sell us fewer cylinders and lower states of tune, and that's exactly what we've gotten. Gone are the days when a motorcycle company could take all the performance and technology of a flagship big bike and then just make it smaller for the 600s and 400s and so on. Now you will get one big man killer of a motorcycle to represent the brand and a bunch of machines that wear the brand but are made for licensing and emissions restrictions beneath it. Anything else is an exception to that rule.
Example Kawasaki:
one Ninja 400 for the restrictions
one Ninja ZX-4RR for people willing to pay extra for a fully featured motorcycle
While people in the know will tell you that, even at half the cylinders, the Ninja 400 is a better deal over the RR, it's purchasing decisions like those (and motorcycle companies incentivizing us to the cheaper bikes) that are going to kill any hope of a fully featured 250, 400, 600 or 750 even. It's all liter bikes with jet engines at the top and single or twin cylinders at the bottom for more smiles per combustion event.
If you want a fully featured bike that isn't going to cost 15 or 20K or more, you will have to buy older bikes or avoid the obvious winner at the dealership just to go for the bike with more engine and more gizmos.
Yamaha naming system: R1 1000cc R3 300cc R6 600cc R7 700cc. There’s no linear progression. The number that follows the R is the first number of the size cc engine it has in it. Calling the MT-07 with some sportbike fairings an R class bike is a downright lie.
As a lifetime Yamaha Fan and Rider, it really bothers me how they so often do the "bold new graphics" and "parts bin" type of "new" bikes that really aren't new. The R7 is the greatest example of this. The CP2 engine has SO much potential locked up in it, the head/cam package on those bikes is extremely mild. Yamaha could've bumped it up to 90-100HP without a lot of effort, which would've transformed it.
You talk about that this is the way we are going with the emissions but I'm not sure about that. Kawasaki launched a new zx-6r with 130hp i4 and their new zx-4rr 77hp i4 it just shows if they want it it's possible. Kawasaki has increased their buyer market by a lot because of that.
By 2030 all manufactures vehicles have to run on clean energy (electric, hybrid, etc) thats in 6 and a bit years, this is the golden years of Internal combustion powered bikes, enjoy them while you can.😟
the problem with the r6 is that it cost alot of money to run looking at the track day boys perspective the r3 ninja 400 are the bang for buck track bike while the r1/panigale the latest and greatest superbike the r6 is just to expensive you could just pay a bit more and get a yourself a superbike or downgrade and pay penuts for bike like the r3 and all its cheap track expendables the r7 fits welll into the 2 group of bikes the r6 is just to close to the superbikes in terms of running cost anyway there dicthing the r6 and will probally replace it with an r9 that is base of the mt09 and that bike is fast enough to keep an r6 humble.
100% agree. R series = Race = horsepower. MT series = road = torque / rideability. You pay your money, you make your choice. Yamaha are just greying the boundaries and making people think they're getting something they're not.
The 600 supersport class declined because as they got more and more race focused, not only did the price gap between the once affordable 600s and the 1000s narrow, but the all round ability was lost somewhat. The 600 class was once the biggest selling class, full of great bikes that were sporty and quick, but not full on track weapons like what they became. Sales slowed, then dropped right off, and now the 600 class is all but dead. For me the 600s peaked around 2000/2003.
I guess you can be mad at Yamaha giving it the R name, but consider this:
- When you get into motorcycling, how long does it take you to wrap your head around the fact that 650ccs make less power than 600s? Why? Because typically, 650s are 2cyl commuters and 600s 4cyl, race bike derived engines.
- Could they have done a better job distinguishing the everyday bikes from the race bikes? Sure, look at Kawi with their "Ninja" and "ZX-...R" naming or Suzuki with the "GSX-R..." and GSX-S..." (which is getting f*ck up in this new model year but whatever). BUT HOW LONG UNTIL A BEGINNER CATCHES ON TO THESE SUBTLE DIFFERENCES??? And don't get me started on BMW naming, holy cow...
- If you're that much of a motorcycling nerd, you should instantly know what type of engine is in a given motorcycle, and you'll know the approximate power and torque figures, the naming won't throw you off. And if you're a beginner, odds are you would've wrecked an R6 anyway, better on you if you buy an R7 instead. Posers and specsheet warriors are losers.
- Naming inconsistencies over (large) timespans aren't unheard of, don't shit on Yamaha specifically for the R7. Look at BMW with their G650, F650/700/750/800/850 (what an absolute mess, the 750 has more cc than the 800...?!). What exactly is the difference between the CB range of Hondas and the CBF? Whaaaat, why is the ZX-6R making more power than the ZX-7R?!? And whyy in the f*ck is there and MT-10 and an MT-01 that have COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY, POLAR opposite engines and power figures??? (Not even the same cc) By the way, depending on what YEAR it was built, an MT-03 might have more than double the ccs :D Nobody complaining about that.
Stop crying about a corporate choice because "muh feelings", recognize this is very common in the motorcycling world, just acknowledge it and get on with your life.
There has never been more gap between the 1000ccs superbikes and middle weights sportbikes. It's either stick below 100HP or go above and beyond 200HP. Only triumph and ducati have something in the 130-160HP range. That triumph 765 3 cylinder engine is a screamer. Don't know what's stopping yamaha from doing the same.
Hatsoff to Suzuki for selling not only GSXR750 but GSXR600 along side.
> " Yamaha's naming system of R series is easy to figure out "
Some 11 years ago, someone's jaw dropped when I said I have a Yamaha R15 .. In their mind it meant 1500cc. In reality it is a 150 :)
I remember this incident as I found it hella funny back then.
"Supersport" riding position-wise, both R125 & R15 are more aggressive than an R3 or even the R7.
R7 NOT AN R6 REPLACEMENT. Why don't people get that? It's meant to compete with the SV650... You are looking for the R9. R1 was faster then all their bikes, so why would a R7 be faster then an R6? Its just a name.
700cc twins?
Yamaha R7 turbocharged...
115bhp standard engine internals ,standard pump fuel.
135bhp pistons and rods done
200bhp,rods pistons and NOX
Or,there's always a 700cc twin from Brian Crichton, the CR700,220bhp,135kg?
Life ain't that miserable yet!
"because I was mad at it" 😂😂😂
The OG R7 - OW02 was the bike of lust. Rex Judd's dealership in Edgware had one, along with an RSV Mille SP and would just stare at them on my walk back from school. Both bikes were lost in a fire in the early 00's... Pity.
MT07R - Just like BMW M140i or M240i, not a full blown M car, but enough make up and tarty bits to give a small insight to what a full fat M car would be.
What if they'd have called it the R5?
I feel that would have caused way less issue, even if the 5 didn't match the CC in any way, it would fall in line in terms of the power rankings
i had the same idea, if anything r125, r3, *r5*, mt07, mt09, R1 would make more sense as a scale too
I feel Kawasaki's got it perfect with the naming. They have the ZX lineup and their Ninja XXX lineup which separates them perfectly, you have the Ninja 400, want more power and a racier setup? ZX4RR. Want a Ninja 650 with way more power and racing components? ZX6RR. Want liter bike that has 200hp instead of 140ish and weighs a bit less but also happens to have racing components? Buy a ZX10R. Yamaha has kind of the same issue as Honda with this, CBR500R is a sports touring bike same as the 650R but the 600RR is the actual supersports, Honda at least has 2 Rs to differentiate it. I'm fine with and want Yamaha to have a slower supersports-styled bike but I do agree the naming is a bit misleading it shouldn't go away because not everyone wants a bike with power only at the top and 100hp, this is why the CBR500R sells and the Ninjas sell, not everyone wants the extremely aggressive seating position or the high hp low torque. The R9 would be a great addition. It should've probably been called R7s or something like that. If Yamaha did a sports touring like the GSXS GT or the 1000SX it could be called the R1s same with the R9 it could be R9s and be more upright and softer riding sportbikes.
Exactly. Yamaha used to do the same. They had the FJ/FJR series, the XJ/XJR series, and the FZR series, then the YZF series, then the R series and the FZ series that kept the old tech FZR motors.
It all made sense.
Until the R15 and the R3.
And now this.
Sack the marketers, use another letter. There's 26 of them and then problem solved.
@@AndyViant MT is fine for the Streetfighters but I feel maybe they can do like a YZF R and YZF S. It's a shame that the FJR is gone but this could be Yamaha's chance to use that name to bring sports touring back and bring back sportbike-styled bikes that aren't meant for the track, something like the Ninja series from Kawasaki, GSXS GT from Suzuki and the CBRXXXR series from Honda which are all sportbike looking bikes but you don't sit as high and lean as much and have much softer suspension.
@@AndyViant And why call the twins and triples "Cross plane" they are not, the four cylinder R1/MT-10 engine IS a cross plane, named so because viewed end on the crank throws form a + the twin and triple aren't "cross plane" They used to be called 270 degree and 120 degree cranks but the marketing boys started calling them "cross plane" and its incorrect.
R7 here, done alot research, R7 is NOT a replacement ofthe R6, neevr was,never was the purpose. its a mixture of street ride commute+track usage. i know this buying 2cyl, ,sure the HP is less but torque works . no thats not whata MT07 is for, theyre the same engine but different style. do I still want a r6? oh yes.
Don't worry, Kawasaki has you with the 2023 Inline 4 636 engine in the zx6r
My father in-law has an orig R7 and it is an amazing machine. Sadly it’s getting harder and harder to find parts for, especially when he continually drops it in the shed because he’s so short 🤦🏻♂️
WTF it's a new bike you can still get all the parts new
@@stewart8127 it’s a YZF750 from the 90’s
@@TilyXR6 I know a guy who has one he died his wife has it now. If you have the money it's worth I can probably get her to sell it. It's mint. Let me know it's in palm beach Florida.
@@stewart8127 how much to ship to Western Australia? 😅
@@TilyXR6 I would estimate between 3k to 10k dollars. I don't know .I know a realtive who shipped a bike to Miami from England and it was in that range. In most cross international border vehicle transactions the buyer arranges shipping. It has a title and is street legal. The bike my realtive had shipped was neither and it took months and month of red tape to get it shipped. Anyway it's available if you're serious but it's owned by a 70 year old widow. So tick tock.
Yamaha did the same thing with the Wolverine. The original Wolverine was a race looking 4-wheeler. Then when side by sides got hot in the market, they released a new Wolverine, and it was a Side x Side. Very frustrating. Love your content!
Fascinating! I never knew that
There's 2 things bothering me with r7.
1- when compared even to stock 20yo R6, the R7 has parts that scream "cheap" in comparison. A minor thing sure, but still...
2- the biggest problem with it. The R means Race right. What is it racing against ??? Rs660 - good luck with being 30hp down. F900R - maybe the closest one but it still nit really the same type/class. 400s - not really either. New ninja 400rr , will be outclassed/outpowered...you get the point it feels such a niche bike there should be a separate r7 cup for ir to be interesting. Otherwise if twin Supersport class open up, can't wait to get on rs660
I get what your saying and I overall agree with it however on that naming scheme you would be naming a bike based on its specific engine and not body/riding style. I feel like the r7 name was based around looking like the r series and having the same riding position normal to sport bikes.
I own a duke 390 right now and it would be like arguing that the rc390 should have been named the duke rc 390 or the rc duke 390. Just some thoughts I had on the topic here for fun discussion.
It's all gone downhill since 4 pots were replaced with twins and 2 strokes were replaced with 4 strokes.
Now is the time to buy our dream combustion engined vehicles because lecky sh!t is taking over rapidly and the value of our oldschool bikes will go up as they get phased out and become rarer.
What else could it be called? If it were to be called anything other than an R7 the whole sports category would have to undergo re-naming to keep in line with product group identity. Why would their lineup be : R125, R3, MT07R, R1. That has no coherence. It HAS to be called the R7. Forget the OW-02, it was an amazing bike but logically why would they call it anything else. By being upset it’s called R7, you essentially assume that brands must ignore product group identity and must appeal to your taste. This bike is for the newer generation, they probably don’t even remember or know what the original R7 was.
To be honest the 1995 Yamaha FZR 600 I owned had a better overall street engine than an R7 or R6.
Longish-stroke 4Cyl redlining at 11,500 with great midrange pull stronger compared to an R6 at anything below 9,000 rpm but still had that 4cyl scream on top make about 15 hp more than the R7 twin.
those emission and sound regulations is crazy!!! All bikes now simply going up with engine volume and lower revs. Bikes is too small part of polluting anyway to even care. And yes, I hate people with load exhausts, no reason for that.
what's important when buying an expensive bigbike specially big 4's are the big bike sound and not a 250 cc sound. no matter how they sugar coat the story telling to sell their 2 cylinder only, it is still an inline 2 which should be cheaper. This is all about cutting cost to gain so much profit on a cheap 2 cylinder engine using a brand.
We live in a dystopia that has electric mustang suvs. Truth is, nobody was buying r6s anymore. Combine that with emission bs and its not surprising.
From my understanding the new r7 has suspension and brakes on par with the r6. Theres a growing middleweight supersport class of 2 and 3 cylinder bikes being raced by younger riders trying to rise to the professional level. I remember reading that yamaha was trying to offer a competitive bike for that class at a reasonable price.
I miss the r6, couldn't teally care less about the name being reused. Atleast its not an electric wheelchair for the inept.
You should ride one. Just put a akra exhaust and a tune on it and it rips. Had one and i pulled away from my buddies 100hp bikes 😂
If he's ridden a Yamaha Mt07, or TRX850, a Ducati 695 or Ducati 696, or a Suzuki SV650, A Kawasaki ER6f, or a BMW F800 he effectively already has.
PS Your buddies need to learn how to ride.
I have no major issue with it not being fast enough. Like if they'd used insanely aggressive gearing on a inline 4 that would be incredible imo. Lower top speed but twin like acceleration while keeping the revs. Is that feasible ?
I ride an old FZR600 with a larger rear sprocket. Top speed is limited by the rev limiter to 200km/h (haven't tried that out yet but acceleration in any gear is VERY fast - i have no doubt that it'll make it to 200 easily).
As an additional bonus, it's easier to ride in 30km/h zones. It doesn't like spending time below 3000rpm and the bigger sprocket makes it so that at 30km/h it'll rev above that.
But you can choose that yourself - just ask your maintenance shop to put on a sprocket X sizes larger.
The manufacturer could choose to switch around gearbox ratios so you get a very short 1/2/3/4 for the legal speed range, and then gears with larger gaps betwen them for 5/6. But for track riders that might feel really weird, and cost a lot more than just putting on a different sprocket.
You should go test ride one, I promise you, you won’t be disappointed. It’s more of a bigger R3. Very good on street/freeway/track. A lot of people here in California using as stunt bike
True that they had only 500 (original) R7, but let's not forget the YZF-750 (US). I used to own one of them and despite they did not have the all package, it was an Ohlin shock equip bike, same red & white pattern and did have that weird 5 valve engine
It's sad to see the mid-cylinder sport bike class die… Except at Kawa 👌🏻
Rumours are the R9 is going to be announced at the end of the year
Higher CC big power motorcycles don't sell all that well compared to scooters, mopeds or lower cc motorcycles.I believe the Japanese companies make the most profit from their sales in the Asian region. The R7 is a product of that. A super sport looking bike that's easier to maintain and lower in costs.
I would think the R3 fits that perfectly. I think it's to compete with the Ninja 650 (often thought of as a beginner bike in the US), I think for other countries the R3 would be better.
I don't hate the R7. I just wish there were good supersports coming out that aren't 1000+cc. I don't want or need that much screaming power.
Maybe a big twin, but I ride on the road mostly. Big capacity actually feels less exciting because you just can't open them up. I'm never going to touch the sides of a thousand multi on B roads. A 600 is great, but a bit too buzzy for the highway. The 750 4-cylinder is just right. And damn the OWO-07 still looks fucking Great.
The thing is people aren't buying 600s not because they aren't improving but because they aren't what most people want. They got too extreme, too peaky and too unusable. The peak of the 600s were when they were still usable allrounders.
The old R7 was really the R1 of today..... so yeah maybe the name wasn't the best choice for the new R7.... but get over it.
Having an R7 that I enjoy, it was never meant to replace the r6 here in the states. We got this thing called Moto America and there's a twins cup class and the R7 stole the championship the first year out so it's a very very successful bike.. mine has weight removed re geared exhaust tune stacks etc . And pulls just as hard as my friends litre bikes up to 115ishmph (r1m) so isnt a slouch by any means!
agree...i went from riding Red (CBR900RR, VFR800, CBR929RR) to BMW and haven't looked back. I would like to get into a 300-400cc enduro and am leaning towards KTM.
Why would anyone buy an R7 when you can get a 636? You want a daily bike with some power? Get an MT. The R7 is pointless.
Sportbikes are unfortunately dying, which is a god damn shame. It has become too expensive to justify, for what is essentially a toy. The cost increase is because of all the tech that goes into bikes these days, and is also expected. Coupled with emission compliance and the sales price will have to compensate. Throw in the emergance of the hyper naked segment and a sportbike isn't justifyable anymore. They don't sell and all our favorite models has been discontinued. RIP.... But I'll ride my gixxer forever man 🤙 sportbikes for life 🤙
We need to get rid of the people making these bs emissions laws
Problem is everyone is attached to "liter" AKA 1/1000/ ect ect, being the benchmark.
And most manufacture naming/labeling/serialization schemes are ignorant to begin with.
I totally agree with you. Bear in mind though that manufacturers have to deal not only with costs going up, restrictions becoming stricter (at least for western markets), but also with the dying supersport trend/culture. 20 years ago the on/off or touring bikes were nowhere near the popularity they have today nor were they as mechanically and electronically advanced as they are today. So to build around them had practically NO meaning in terms of revenue and market share. The biking world is sadly changing, but I think we are just going through a phase like when Suzuki introduced the k5 1000cc engine or when the european manufacturers started improving their R&D and getting up there with the, until then, "Superior" JDMs.
The solution would be to take the mt09 triple, destroke it to 7XX CCs for more RPM and power (over 100) than the CP2, and to still call it an R7.
I got name called by a vlogger for highlighting there are inline 4 600's with more power available at 1/3 rd of the price .
Its the same reason Kawasaki have started plastering Ninja all over everything. It used to be reserved for their fast icons like the zx6r, zx10r etc. Now they plaster it on most of their bikes because the younger generation think the name Ninja is cool and it helps them sell models.
However what they're doing is diluting the word Ninja and it will soon be meaningless.
you mean like the gpz500 Ninja from the 80s? or the 250 ninja from the 80s? it's not a new thing, it's been like this for almost 40 years, the older of us remember
The original r7 ow-02 was worse then you think it is. it shipped with less then 100 hp (20 less then the regular yzf750 you could get for less parked right next to it at the dealer). it was a joke bike nobody wanted and barely sold through the 500 examples they built. even though it was a homogation special it didint even win anything and yamaha gave up on the racing program. dont know why people think yamaha likes this bike they dont.
now the r moniker is for other fully fared sport bikes and is the new r7 not one of those? the new r7 is out in the world right now selling and winning races far better then the original ever did.
Another vote for the MT07R rename. Actually considering the increased competition for the MT07 Yamaha should add all the R7 upgrades (better suspension/brakes/slipper clutch) to the naked version and consider a higher tuned (90-100hp) version of the CP2 engine for the supersport version (R7/MT07R).
This!
Still waiting for the MT07 to get USD forks as everything else they sell has them, even the R3!
I hope they change up the whole R series to be R03, R07, R09, R10
While that makes more sense the R10 would still not fit in that group. Yet it's the R1's group. They made it.
Fair gripe! It's a bit like Honda's CBR650 having 26 less HP than the CBR600. It doesn't make sense from a CBR numbers standpoint and causes confusion to the consumer. I agree that the naming for Aprilia bikes is much more logical and sensible... and honest.
At least Honda didn't call the CBR650 the RC-45😆
I think most bikes are getting worse, eventually politicians will kill them off and you'll be left with heavy electric bikes that will be lucky to make it 100 miles before you need to stop and recharge it for a few hours before you can carry on with your journey.
Is it just me or do people who neither drive nor ride on track like to use racetrack performance as some sort of benchmark?
Try to get and ride a cbr650r. Mine has a full akra system and remap, so I'm getting 95 whp. It's honestly the closest thing you get to a euro 5 middle weight sport bike (besides the Kawi), granted it's more of a sport tourer and a little bit heavier. The sound with the new exhaust system is brutal, people think it's a full on sport bike 🤣
I absolutely agree with you 100 percent. First I share the same story as you, I'm a Yamaha fan boy, the R6 was (and still is) my childhood dream bike. One day I finally bought it, a 2013 model. It fulfilled all my expectations and beyond. When the R7 was launched and they announced that the R6 was going to be discontinued I instantly jump on my seat, there's no way this R7 can match up the legendary R6. I hope this is a Yamaha's strategy to begin manufacturing the R6 again.
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Yeah superbikes are getting worse, but only for the true superbike riders. Most superbike owners will never get to push to even 7/10ths of what the bike is capable of on public roads.
Personally, I could care less how they call it; all I care about is whether it's a good and useful motorcycle or not, which it surely is. It is tons of fun and truly shines on the twisting street roads, and it's a great practice tool for a track rider. While I would wish they just retuned the engine to less grunt and more top end, something like a Hornet 750 with 90ish HP, then it would be perfect. But it won't matter. If they make an R9, Yamaha would have the best sport bike progression from beginner to expert, in my opinion.
I am just going stick with my 1984 RZ350 KR special, not sure if that's still cool but.
they are fecking amazing bikes!!! 😛
@@Drobium77 Mine gets new tires tomorrow.
"just about everything is dissappointing after getting off a R1" ...
I'm unsure if you're American or not but these 650 motors aren't designed to superceed their 600 brothers, it's because most companies have restricted licences unlike America... the r7 sells like absolute hot cakes in Australia, and mt07 motor in a super sports chassis which restricted riders can ride, not much more to love
He's taking about the naming of it more than the bike, the R6 was already gone from the line up by the time the R7 came out, so people who were after a full fat sports bike thought the R7 was going to be it, and they re-used the R7 name, its like Honda calling the new CBR650 the RC-45.
it's a racing bike that displaces about 700cc, so I dont understand the hangups here. The OG R7 was cool but they only made 500 of them, most of which are in glass cases nowadays.
So the new R7 aleady has more racing and track miles ridden, and more mechanical and tuning knowledge, by an order of magnitude. and non-millionaires can actually afford to get one.
As for your friend who thinks an R7 is faster than an R6, which could cause him to mistakenly buy the R7 instead: do you really think he needs an R6 if he thinks that?
Saying the bike is wrong or has a wrong name because 7 is bigger then 6 but the R7 hasn't the same power of the R6, in my honest opinion, is foolish. If the R7 would have come out earlier then the R6 going out no one would have complained (probably), it's not meant to be a super fast bike, just a fun one and I'd really like to try it on a narrow twisty road and enjoy that engine. I own a ninja 636 2003 and I can say that on those type of roads it's painful not to be able to open the gas and hear the engine scream without risking to fly in another state😂
Anyone has a slight clue about CP2 engine has already knew that Yamaha R7 was never meant to be the successor of R6. CP2 engine has been used by Yamaha since 2014. So, what kind of person can expect Yamaha R7 to be the new R6???
I agree with the name! They've made a mockery of the name. But what do you call it? How do you hark back to Yamaha's ancestry? I don't think MT07R works.RD7? TRX7. But anyway, the R7 is actually a really fun bike. It's no screamer, but that's part of it's charm. I've only had a short tootle on it, it feels super sold and handles nicely. It's very predictable and could even make a good learner bike. When there are some cheapies hitting the market in a few years I'll consider it as a track bike.
Faster than an Aprilia RS 250??? Never... the RS 250 has the same HP as the R7 but the 250's wet weight is basically the same as the R7's dry weight. That V-Twin 2 stroke will run circles around this R7.
I purchased an R7 a few months ago, it's a beautiful bike that handles well but I still want the factory track aggressiveness that the R6 has which is something that I definitely felt the R7 lacks. The problem is R6 prices have skyrocketed after Yamaha discontinued the bikes and even finding one on the used marketplace seems to be hard even if you have the cash (where I live at least). Shame there will probably never be another R6 but one can hope.
Its not about developing a new machine anymore, its more like putting the same engine in every motorbike to save on production cost, because it passes emisson laws. Its just sad to see.
The new R7 is known as "Arse Heaven" in these parts (Australia)
Idk this sounds stupid but caling it the R-07 doesn't sound like it's trying to pass as the successor to the R6 while also making sense of the CP-02 engine in a sportsbike line
At first I thought it was no big deal. I was assuming that the R7 must be able to compete with 600s from the early 90s. Oooohhh...nope. Almost identical specs to the old XJ600S Seca II though.
I had an 2023 r7, I loved it for about 2 weeks after that I was bored with it an became completely mad that Yamaha done that to me. Everyone on UA-cam blows the bike way out proportions an that's one reason I got one. It left me wanting more on middle an really lacking on top end. I sold the bike after a month of having it an got the new 23 gsxr1000r an love what I have now.
you spent $10k on a bike without understanding the difference between a twin and an inline 4? that's wild to me
Thank god I can still find mid 2000 litre bikes going for less than half of an R7
100% agree with you boet. I was looking at the R7 but chose to go with the MT-07 and am so happy with it. Its light, flickable and super light. I've also dreamed of both the R6 and R1 as bikes Ill definitely own one day.
Awesome content as per usual, please keep it up.
There's a guy in my area that has one. It looks nice. if you're new to bikes and wants something that looks good and not so worried about specs then it's a decent choice.
It might be a new take on taking the R line and making it the MT. If the MT-10 was a de-tuned R1, then it would make sense that the R7 would be an up-tuned MT-07 in a new attempt to make the MT line match with the R line. We have to MT-03/R3 and the MT-10/R1, why not make the middle of them both the opposite, right?
Don’t forget the r15, see tons of those little things over here in India
The cbr650r (non restricted) does a respectable job at closing the gap as it has an inline 4
not the first time sth like that happened... have a look at the old fj1100 "racer" -> fj1200 "sportstourer" -> fjr1300 "full on tourer". sometimes the customers request features that transform a model, sometimes it's government, sometimes just some kind of evolution. the naming however... 😅
Really enjoyed this video and format. I feel more educated about the R7 and made me realise that I never looked too much into torque or hp when comparing some models. Shameful!
R7 is a good stunt bike. That's one reason many people, including myself, wouldn't mind owning one