@@dirkjensen969 Obviously is very easy to say "it is fake" (moreover if someone receives money from the government) and impossible to make a copy. Nobody can copy a miracle. David Rolfe offered 1mill dollars to brithis musem (it also denied the shroud) if can make a little good copy. but the museum did not wanted the money haha. You can win it, try it. Even the scientists of C14 have not say it is fake, in fact C14 with pieces with medieval cotton used by nuns in XVI century, demonstrates that shroud is from first century, So, no serious scientist has ever said that is fake in all world. All of them know that is authentic. You can not find in all youtube one video against the shorud, coz if someone make it, would be ridiculous. Syndonology is a science. Xtianity is the only one religion demonstrated by science.
@@dirkjensen969 David Rolfe offered 1mill dollars to brithis museum (also denied the shroud) if makes a copy, but... did not want the money ... Nat geo is a political servant of the govt, no more, like brithis musem. Nobody can copy a miracle.
@@dirkjensen969 I say you the same, make a copy, you will win 1mill dollars from David Rolfe and your name will be famous and eternal in the newspapers.
One of the funniest things about what Jehovah's Witnesses teach is that everybody all had the same ideas and teachings and were unified in beliefs, calling the Jerusalem based apostles a universally governing body that settled matters for the very early church, because they think that their model of their modern hierarchy is modeled after that arrangement and their assignments given by God. When the reality is everybody disagreed with everybody else and it took the church several hundred years to hammer out orthodox doctrines and practices, which the JWs call the great apostasy that led to immortality of the soul, the idea that all believers go to heaven at death, and that god is a Trinity. Of course they maintain that the gospel according to Matthew was written around 44 CE, Mark a year or two later, and John around 98 CE and was in the same page, after which suddenly the church started getting everything wrong. It's actually quite amazing that the Jesus story survived and flourished like it did, while being mostly wrong for 1800 years until a couple of wealthy guys who made predictions about the end of the world starting showing up to get the story straight. The Watchtower religion began very Jewish and Zionist friendly but dropped that when Hitler started questioning the Watchtower movement. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone thinks all of these developments have anything to do with an ultimate omniscient being wise desire is that everyone get things correct. What a horrible job that deity has done but JWs are so proud of their uniquely inspired message to restore first century Christian perfect doctrine.
I feel bad that my younger bro is completely brainwashed by JW,I thought jw is a church like any other and perhaps with some better teachings until bro started telling some weird things which with my two cent I know they are wrong. I had to research more about them and I'm just astonished. I think I can no longer save him not unless he discoveres by himself. Last week I met with a certain elder challenged him and he thought I'm a cool guy whom he would want to have a conversation with more often. It's until yesterday when he discovered I'm good with history and some bible verses which overturned their view.So all of a sudden a guy who thought I'm good ren away from me😂
I feel bad that my younger bro is completely brainwashed by JW,I thought jw is a church like any other and perhaps with some better teachings until bro started telling some weird things which with my two cent I know they are wrong. I had to research more about them and I'm just astonished. I think I can no longer save him not unless he discoveres by himself. Last week I met with a certain elder challenged him and he thought I'm a cool guy whom he would want to have a conversation with more often. It's until yesterday when he discovered I'm good with history and some bible verses which overturned their view.So all of a sudden a guy who thought I'm good ren away from me😂
It seems quite scandalous that the "ONE TRUE RELIGION" has an immediate dramatic tension between two of the head honchos who supposedly have the Pneuma of God guiding them. What is this tension? Eating with gentiles.... Jeez, this is such a wild thing to observe if you're someone on the outside who isn't already persuaded (i.e. brainwashed) by this religion. Non-Muslims observe things that are just silly in Islam, but Muslims reconcile these things in their head. What are your thoughts?
Peter and Paul were both sinners who were redeemed by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit impowered both of them to love one another. Jesus said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6
Many gods were reported to say this or something very similar. The gods worshipped today are all amalgamations of gods that proceeded them. The Christian god is a mix of several, including a lot of pagan beliefs regarding the sun (son). the winter solstice festivals were replaced by the birth of Christ, the vernal equinox was replaced by the resurrection. the vernal equinox marks the sun rising (crossing) the celestial equator. The “Rising Sun” became the “rising son.” And so forth. Dozens of gods were have said to be of virgin birth. Very little in Christianity was new - mostly just borrowed from dozens of other fairy tales of the time.
first you have to identify a gentile in the Bible: It is your backside, the part of you that does NOT understand God: The face to face is the part of you that does understand God: So these two states are at odds, battling it out, your soul against your ego or carnal mind which is ENMITY with God:
@@yvonnegordon1952 nobody understands “God” even your Bible says Nobody has ever known God's mind. As beings created by Him, we lack any capacity to fully grasp His thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9). And I’ll go even further as far as for me..the creator I believe in has no gender because the truth is we don’t the “ who what when where why or how” mankind came about…there’s beliefs but beliefs don’t equal truth…science has theories which is more “closer” to our human reality
Galatians 1:1-17 Paul does say he is preaching another Gospel, one that he received not from men (James and Peter) but by revelation of Jesus Christ. According to Paul's description of the incident in Antioch Gal 2:11-16 one difference in his Gospel had to do with the separation of Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians over kosher foods and works of the Law. Apparently Paul's Gospel held that there should not be a separation (Gal 2:14). Which, if taken to the logical extreme, might also mean no separation on the basis of circumcision or the sabbath. And this would have earned Paul the accusation (true or not) of teaching against the Jewish traditions (Acts 21:21). For which cause the Zealots of the Way (the Jerusalem church) then try to kill Paul (Acts 22:22, 23:12), in much the same way as Judas Iscariot (the Jewish Sicarii) are portrayed as betraying and trying to kill Mark's Pauline Jesus. It is another of Mark's parables. In fact all of Mark's Gospel is an attempt to have his Jesus authorize Paul in much the same way Paul claimed he was authorized by his revealed Jesus. That is, Mark's so-called historical Jesus authorizes Paul in the same way Paul's revealed Jesus authorizes Paul. And this is why Mark emphasizes "authority" in his Gospel (Mark 1:22).
The context scholars tell us that going ‘to the Gentiles’ in Paul’s letters refers to a place, not a people, i.e. ‘into the Hellene’ or pagan regions where he would preach his gospel of God sacrificing his Son to atone for the sins of the world, but by ‘world’ he is referring to the non-Judean Israelite population living around the Mediterranean Sea who have fallen into pagan practices and abandoned tenets of Torah Law around things like ritual bathing, eating clean foods, circumcision, etc. His argument with Peter and James the Just is not about the baptism of Greeks and Romans into the Jesus Movement, it is about whether these non-practising Israelites needed to get back to obeying Torah Law before they can be baptised. Consider how Paul keeps referring to Hebrew laws and scripture in addressing his congregations without explaining their meaning, i.e. the circumcision debate would have no particular meaning for Greeks or Romans, but Israelites would know exactly what he was talking about. There is also the matter of the urgency of his message, as he believes that Jesus the Christ is returning to earth imminently and that it is his job to make sure that all the people of Israel hear the message of salvation before the Parousia. Paul was never so naïve to think he could convert the whole Roman Empire to the Jesus movement in the short time he believed was available. I think this misinterpretation of the meaning of ‘Gentiles’ is what gets people confused about what Paul is trying to accomplish and why debates like this one keep going around in circles.
The Gentiles, or "Nations", still includes the people in them. It's indirectly a people group, or rather various people groups as long as they are not Jewish. It's difficult to read Paul as only speaking to non-Judean Israelites and not non-Israelites as well, though thats a somewhat popular idea going around the internet. It's also difficult to read that the issue was non-Judean Israelites not keeping the law. Not keeping the law of Moses was the practice of everybody not a Jew, not just non-Jewish Israelites.
All peer reviewed scholarship says the complete opposite to this crazy ridiculous idea. Please read Richard carrier article on this rather than crank fundamentalist websites.
Bart's favorite litany "there's _loads_ of evidence" would not be allowed a free pass. If anybody ever asked what that evidence is, he would turn out empty-handed.
How do we know if any of the new testament writings are fact or fiction. Paul comes up with all these new rules about the rights and wrongs of doing things. Who instructs him. Where does he get it from? Was it just his own thoughts, beliefs, and expected everyone to follow, like in a cult?
So the big disagreement was over Peter accepting the idea that followers of Christ can be spiritually equal but socially separate - an idea that Christianity continues to live out to this day, whether it’s the de facto racial (and class) segregation of many churches, or the “love the sinner, hate the sin” rhetoric that lets LGBTQ+ people through the door but then shuns them
both Peter & Paul agreed that Jesus died, " according to scripture" not according to eyewitnesses! funny what they believed before Mark wrote his gospel.
I don't think Peter believe in salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This was developed by Paul sometime later after Jesus 's dearh and this wasn't reflected in Didache.
All the apostles kept all of the law including Temple sacrifices until the temple was destroyed, except for Paul Paul is the false Apostle spoken of in Revelation 2:2
@@onejohn2.26. There were 12 apostles only. The 11 left after Judas, chose another apostle, according to scripture, and it wasn't Paul. Paul claimed it himself.
Always thought Deuteronomy 23 1 showed that circumcision means youre not allowed to be apart of the assembly. Same with David's nonability to be a memeber of the assembly according to deuteronomy 23 3.
Yes they did in fact the churches he was preaching to eventually all rejected him. He was rejected by the apostles and the disciples of the apostles. He was even rejected by his fellow Pharisees and sent to his death at the hands of Rome.
I enjoyed Bart's course on Peter and Paul. This morning in meditation a new idea came to me. If around 5% at the time were literate in Greek and less extremely literate so as to write elegantly, and since the New Testament is written in Greek, some of it quite elegant - does that mean by the middle of the first century it was primarily the highly educated who were followers ofJesus? They did the writing and were the ones who could read.
If this Peter (Jerusalem Church) was the Disciple of Jesus why does he not talk about the Historical Jesus in the first person. He was with him day and night and could have provided astonishing eye witness evidence. Why don't we see the phrase "I remember when Jesus did this or that" like most of us would...."I remember when Jesus rose Lazarus from the dead etc etc. There is nothing like that in1 Peter or 2 Peter.
already confused as we already have a definition for gospels, epistles etc. We get a new definition here of gospels, (i think he's differentiating the preached gospel from the 4 gospels) either way I can be flexible. lol. Appreciate the video.
So Paul and Peter hated each other because 1. Assertions of the opposite look suspicious (to you) and 2. Some extra canonical writings say so. Wow. Solid case. So convincing...
You're so right. Paul and Peter agree on everything. Scholars have never overwhelmingly identified a schism between these two early Christians. Nothing to see here. Keep believing nothing disturbs your dogmas.
Acts is faked, and so is Luke and John and Mark. Deal with the Hebrew Matthew without all the alterations - such as chapter 1 is added. Search "Romans Proves Paul Lied" - onediscipletoanother
@@drew123994 No it didn't. Mark was a pal of Paul - who wasn't around at the start. The Hebrew Matthew dates to before 40 CE, it was accepted by all who later rejected Paul. Mark is the lamest gospel of them all and it would take a perverse inind to think otherwise - History shows Matthew predates Paul and Mark, Luke and John - all three defy Matthew - the provide false testimony. If y9ou don't observe the teachings of Jesus you will never spot it. Bart has lack of objective focus....
@barnsweb52 this is all 100% false. Mathew and Luke used mark as their base. Where did you learn this dumb shit? Any scholar agrees mark is the earliest gospel(which is why it's the "lamest"... no one added any of the extra stuff to it)
I think Paul was not just exhorting the Gentiles in his flock not to get circumcised, keep Kosher, or keep the Sabbath and the high holy days, but also the Jews in his churches as alleged twice in Acts 21, vv. 21 & 28. His letter to the Galatians certainly comes off as Paul arguing that because he's not talking about heathen "beggarly elements" but rather Hebrew ones. This certainly has to be true because it would not be the Gentiles that James would want to keep the specific Jewish Laws per the letter he gave Paul in Acts 15 and reminded Paul of in Acts 21. But he certainly would want the Jews in the diaspora to be circumcised, keep kosher, keep the Sabbath, and keep the high holy days.
Peter never agreed that the Gentiles do not have to keep the law I don't know where Bart is getting that information from it is quite the contrary and even today if you do not keep the laws of God found in the Torah you will not be saved Paul is the false Apostle spoken of in Revelation 2:2
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792 Yes the modern day Christian Church is totally corrupted. The answer is to worship God as the Jewish people do, but also to have belief and faith that Jesus is the Nessiah
Peter had issues. He at least resented John the Apostle, Paul, and Mary Magdalene, primarily because they all had Christ's favor, when Peter was the Rock. Unfortunately Peter failed to launch for a very long time.
If Paul was abrogating the Torah as Church tradition teaches he should be labeled a heretic based on Deut. 13 test of a prophet. IMHO I think Paul was allowing a grace period for converting gentiles to attain faith and then slowly but surely learn the Torah as it was read every Sabbath at the EKLASIAs
Peter was still angry because he spent that whole night running around Jerusalem in a panic with a fishing net to catch and silence all the roosters in town but one he couldn’t find fast enough before it crowed. 🤷♂️ all that work for nothing so to say
I actually think Bart is wrong here when you read Galatians 1 & 2. I don’t think Paul mentioned this altercation with Peter solely about eating with gentiles. You have to keep in mind everything that’s written before he mentions this. Paul starts off by saying that he has heard that another gospel is being preached to them and then says that it’s not one at all and that there is only one gospel and basically states this one gospel is the one he preaches and he asserts that he got this through revelation of Jesus Christ and not through any man. So his point it to separate himself from the apostles and even Jesus himself in the flesh. He then proceeds to state that years after his conversion is when he met Peter and James and that he didn’t meet any other apostle and they didn’t teach him anything. Moving forward Paul then speaks about this other party of people in Jerusalem who were of reputation (from the context this is what I believe to be the acts 15 Jerusalem council.) Paul says he believe these people were spying on him and even says the only reason he shared his gospel with them was to make sure he wasn’t running in vain( meaning to make sure he wasn’t believing and teaching the wrong thing). He then says that not even Titus who was with him was compelled to be circumcised he then says these are that there were false brethren who snuck in to see their liberty (which means to me). Paul and them likely weren’t keeping the law and someone ratted them out . Then he mentions those of high reputation added nothing to him and then says god shows no partiality and it makes no difference to him. He then states that Peter was sent to the circumcised and and that he Paul the uncircumcised and that Jesus was working through them both and that on the contrary Peter James and john saw that he had been given grace and gave him the right hand of fellowship and that the only thing they told him to do was remember the poor(which he was already eager to do). Meaning they also didn’t add anything to me. So now we have the important information to this situation where he confronts Peter. These same people from of above who he was arguing with about circumcision are now said to be from James meaning they are close to James and dare I say they all likely held similar beliefs. When they got there basically everyone began siding with them and not so much Paul and not eating with the gentiles. The verse even says Peter became aloof and was fearing the party of the circumcision who came from James, even barbabas. So what we are being shown is that there was a clear divide between this sect with James and Paul. It was not merely about eating with gentiles hence why Paul spends so much time distancing himself from Peter and the other apostles and laying out that he has to check Peter.
Here’s what I still don’t get. What the pitch to the pagans? They show up in Greece. Hey, guys you need forgiveness for you sins, and this guy was killed in Judaea to give it to you. Huh? Sins? What sins? Well, have converted you neighbors stuff and his wife? Well. I guess maybe. Well that’s a sin. Huh? No it’s not. That’s normal.
Acts 9 :6-7 And he trembling and astonished said, lord what will thou have me to do?And the lord said unto him, arise and go into the city and it shall be told thee what thou must do. AND THE MEN WHICH JOURNEYED WITH HIM STOOD SPEECHLESS, HEARING A VOICE BUT SEEING NO MAN. Acts 22:7-9 And I fell unto the ground and heard a voice saying unto me Saul ,Saul, why persecutest thou me?and I answered,who art thou lord?,and he said unto me, I am Yeshua of Nazareth whom thou persecutest. AND THEY THAT WERE WITH ME SAW INDEED THE LIGHT AND WERE AFRAID ;BUT THEY HEARD NOT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SPOKE TO ME. Acts 26: 13-14 At midday o king I saw in the way a light from heaven above the brightness of the sun, shining around about me AND THEM WHICH JOURNEYED WITH HIM AND WHEN WE WERE ALL FALLEN TO THE EARTH I heard a voice saying unto me, and saying in the hebrew tongue Saul, why persecutest thou me? I find it strange that all three times Paul tells his on the way to Damascus covertion store it changes. And there are no named witnesses to his covertion store( just the men) Definition of a hypocrite 1) a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2) a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade me or God.? Or do I seek to please men?for if I please men, I should not be a servant of christ........now read 1 Corinthians 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved........now read Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds.......now read Roman's 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory;why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;to them that are under the law as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law. 1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law being not without law unto God, but under the law to christ, that I might gain them that are without law. He claims to have become as under the law and then without the law, which puts on a false appearance of acts in contradiction to his stated beliefs or feelings. Paul is a confessed hypocrite by the very definition of the word. Paul says it himself he became all things to all men. Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you, let him be accused. Matthew 5:44 But I say onto you, love your enemies, bless them that hate you and persecute you;that you may be children of your father which is in heaven ; for he maketh the sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans do the same? As for acts 10:11.....read the hole chapter, its meaning was call no man unclean.
It makes sense to me. God hated Esau. Jesus didn't care about any earthly inheritance. The ruler of this world, who has been condemned, offered all the nations of the world to Jesus. (Jesus) turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! (Mat 16:23 NABO) Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (In a galaxy far, far, away, so to speak.) My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO) Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with (between?) Judah and Israel. (Zec 11:14 NABO) the one who ascended far above all the heavens (Eph 4:10 NABO) never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) Yahweh and Christ/ Satan and Adam/ Jacob and Esau/ Behemoth and Leviathan/ David and the Son of David/ Peter and Jesus... are the same two characters that ride the Donkey and the Son of the Donkey. Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO) Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father (1Co 15:24 NABO) I am the root and offspring of David, the bright Morning Star. (Rev 22:16 NABO) there are, to be sure, many Gods and many Lords, yet for us there is one God, the Father, (1Co 8:5-6 NABO) David, the bright Morning Star." (Rev 22:16 NABO) You belong to your Father the devil (Joh 8:44 NABO) How have you fallen from the heavens, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! (Isa 14:12 NABO) Is not my house firm before God? He has made an eternal covenant with me, set forth in detail and secured. Will he not bring to fruition all my salvation and my every desire? (2Sa 23:5 NABO) David, their king, whom I will raise up for them. (Jer 30:9 NABO) From David's throne, and over his kingdom, which he confirms and sustains By judgment and justice, both now and forever. (Isa 9:6 NABO)
Put it simple, St. Peter did not want gentiles to have the gospel and St. Paul did not like Christians until the apparition of Christ appear asking Paul why is he prosecuting me after the apparition Christ told St. Peter to give the gospel to Paul to give to the gentiles. Rest is history……
Borrow from Peter too pay Paul, "I" have heard that one before. Peter must own the Banking system. Peter does have the keys to both heaven and hell. Peter does seem too be the Man of the hour. It seems Peter is the One most people should want too talk too, well at least right now, because of all the instabilities.
The question is who was Paul? In fact, who were the Apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Nobody knows who any of them were, of course that's because nobody even knows any of their surnames. Yet the stories they told 50 years after the apparent crucifixion of Jesus, is considered to be the bedrock of the Bible. I'm afraid it all makes the evidence for the existence of God look firmly based in mythology and ultimately the human imagination.
MythVision guy, you are talking too, too much. You could just ask the question instead of talking for five minutes to get to the question. Don't dialogue, don't answer the question before you ask it.
Umm, hate to differ here big time. Sometimes I get the feeling Ehrman is still 'preaching' a gospel!. Heres what Erhman is completely missing when he tells the tale about peters dream in Acts. Peter sees a sheet full of animals. Hes told to eat with his response being hes always been kosher. Then listen to peters gestalt..... Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any ......*man*....... common or unclean. The creatures in the bed sheet are "MEN" thus this dream is not about dietary kosher laws as Ehrman is trying to say. And remember what the voice said, ARISE, KILL AND EAT and peter is saying they are men. Here look at these..... Da 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and ****it raised up itself on one side****, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, *****Arise, devour much flesh****. Ac 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon [him], and a light shined in the prison: and ******he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise***** up quickly. And his chains fell off from [his] hands.
OK, I am fairly new to your channel, but I have commented on, at least one video. For me, coming from a Christian tradition that didn't believe in inerrancy of the Bible, you all seem to have thrown the baby out with the bath water." What if the Bible is not without error. In the new testament, what is important is what Jesus left us as guidance on how to live. We know that the Gospels were written for different audiences who faced different challenges. Why not accept that rather than attacking them because "the end days" didn't come in a timely manner. I think Jesus had a lot good to say. Timothy may not have liked women, but remember Jesus's words and actions. Was not "husbands love your wives" a revolutionary statement on treating women as equals? There is much good that various religious traditions have 'messed up.' But, it seems to me, Jesus's words remain. Thanks for being truly thought-provoking.
Why would a lettered pharisee care what some illiterate fisherman or, for that matter, some carpenter's son, had to say about the Christ, about the the resurrection of the dead - if, in fact, he even knew of their existence?
I met Peter in 2004 at a concert after party in Denver. He got very drunk and made a pass at me even though I am straight and was there with my girlfriend. So it’s very possible that Peter did not hate Paul but actually loved him. As for Mary I don’t know I have never met her. But Peter did confide to me that Puff never died!
There is no proof, Yeshua Paul, acts was written by Luke and Luke didn't meet Paul until chapter 16.That means everything Luke wrote was told to him by Paul. Secondly Peter did not agree with Paul's teaching. Paul went to Jerusalem to visit James and Peter. James and the other apostles said to Paul "You see brother how thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are zealous for the law and they have been told about you, that you teach all the Jews among the gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to or customs. Then Paul tells James that the people were lying on him and that he does not teach against the law of circumcision or the law. Acts 21:23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow, take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law. Then Paul agreed to go through with it. Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men ,and the next day he purified himself along with them and went into the temple giving notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled and the offering presented for each one of them. Then Paul wrote epistles to the churches, telling them circumcision counts for nothing. So the reason Peter cosigned for Paul is because Paul deceived him. That doesn't make Peter false and Paul admitted that he becomes who he needs to become to win who he wants to win. To the Jews he became a Jew to the Greeks he became a Greek. The fact is Yeshua warned of false teachers to come and Christians don't care to figure out who that is. Yeshua warned Ephesus about men who call themselves apostles and are liers, yet Christians don't care to investigate to figure out who they are. Why aren't you concerned that you could be following the very person Yeshua warned Ephesus about. We need to be scrutinizing the men who were circulating Ephesus at the time and Paul fits all the clues Yeshua gave. There are only three men who presented themselves as apostles of Ephesus Paul ,Timothy, and Sylvania also John because when Yeshua charged John to look after Mary after he left. John and Mary moved to Ephesus. Then Paul wrote Timothy telling him to guard Ephesus from the opposing teacher, which could only be John. John established a church there and taught to keep the commandments of eternal life.
I thought Paul didn't come along until the 200 ADs and never saw Jesus physically. Only spiritually, when he was knocked off his Stallion at the crossroads...thanks, Mario
Thanks for the share ….. dang a free campfire 🔥 story , oh wait they replaced that with boob tube etc ….. hahaha 😂 Appreciate your work , take care ….. ✝️
I absolutely love your videos guys. Please don't be fooled by over thinking the gospel and denying Christ. God loves you so much. Please if you have a moment of clarity repent and come back to Christ.
“no one listening is going to read [FC Bauer]???” his books have english translations too, Bart. What’s with the alienation??? p.s. not gonna read Bauer probably ever.
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@@dirkjensen969 Obviously is very easy to say "it is fake" (moreover if someone receives money from the government) and impossible to make a copy. Nobody can copy a miracle. David Rolfe offered 1mill dollars to brithis musem (it also denied the shroud) if can make a little good copy. but the museum did not wanted the money haha. You can win it, try it. Even the scientists of C14 have not say it is fake, in fact C14 with pieces with medieval cotton used by nuns in XVI century, demonstrates that shroud is from first century, So, no serious scientist has ever said that is fake in all world. All of them know that is authentic. You can not find in all youtube one video against the shorud, coz if someone make it, would be ridiculous. Syndonology is a science. Xtianity is the only one religion demonstrated by science.
@@dirkjensen969 David Rolfe offered 1mill dollars to brithis museum (also denied the shroud) if makes a copy, but... did not want the money ... Nat geo is a political servant of the govt, no more, like brithis musem. Nobody can copy a miracle.
@@dirkjensen969 I say you the same, make a copy, you will win 1mill dollars from David Rolfe and your name will be famous and eternal in the newspapers.
Thank you MythVisionPodcast , Dr. Bart Erhman is the man, go between, joining faith and reality...❤.
Peter didn't hate him until someone robbed Peter to pay Paul.
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Bart doing a free course is very exciting, as I've always been curious about these courses, but money has been tight for me for me recently.
Myth got ma boi Bart looking like he about to drop the hardest Jesus diss track of 2024.
One of the funniest things about what Jehovah's Witnesses teach is that everybody all had the same ideas and teachings and were unified in beliefs, calling the Jerusalem based apostles a universally governing body that settled matters for the very early church, because they think that their model of their modern hierarchy is modeled after that arrangement and their assignments given by God. When the reality is everybody disagreed with everybody else and it took the church several hundred years to hammer out orthodox doctrines and practices, which the JWs call the great apostasy that led to immortality of the soul, the idea that all believers go to heaven at death, and that god is a Trinity. Of course they maintain that the gospel according to Matthew was written around 44 CE, Mark a year or two later, and John around 98 CE and was in the same page, after which suddenly the church started getting everything wrong. It's actually quite amazing that the Jesus story survived and flourished like it did, while being mostly wrong for 1800 years until a couple of wealthy guys who made predictions about the end of the world starting showing up to get the story straight. The Watchtower religion began very Jewish and Zionist friendly but dropped that when Hitler started questioning the Watchtower movement. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone thinks all of these developments have anything to do with an ultimate omniscient being wise desire is that everyone get things correct. What a horrible job that deity has done but JWs are so proud of their uniquely inspired message to restore first century Christian perfect doctrine.
I feel bad that my younger bro is completely brainwashed by JW,I thought jw is a church like any other and perhaps with some better teachings until bro started telling some weird things which with my two cent I know they are wrong.
I had to research more about them and I'm just astonished.
I think I can no longer save him not unless he discoveres by himself.
Last week I met with a certain elder challenged him and he thought I'm a cool guy whom he would want to have a conversation with more often.
It's until yesterday when he discovered I'm good with history and some bible verses which overturned their view.So all of a sudden a guy who thought I'm good ren away from me😂
I feel bad that my younger bro is completely brainwashed by JW,I thought jw is a church like any other and perhaps with some better teachings until bro started telling some weird things which with my two cent I know they are wrong.
I had to research more about them and I'm just astonished.
I think I can no longer save him not unless he discoveres by himself.
Last week I met with a certain elder challenged him and he thought I'm a cool guy whom he would want to have a conversation with more often.
It's until yesterday when he discovered I'm good with history and some bible verses which overturned their view.So all of a sudden a guy who thought I'm good ren away from me😂
I have heard this joked about and debated my whole life! Thanksgiving dinners ruined by this topic! I am so here for this.
It seems quite scandalous that the "ONE TRUE RELIGION" has an immediate dramatic tension between two of the head honchos who supposedly have the Pneuma of God guiding them. What is this tension? Eating with gentiles.... Jeez, this is such a wild thing to observe if you're someone on the outside who isn't already persuaded (i.e. brainwashed) by this religion.
Non-Muslims observe things that are just silly in Islam, but Muslims reconcile these things in their head. What are your thoughts?
Peter and Paul were both sinners who were redeemed by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit impowered both of them to love one another.
Jesus said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6
Many gods were reported to say this or something very similar. The gods worshipped today are all amalgamations of gods that proceeded them. The Christian god is a mix of several, including a lot of pagan beliefs regarding the sun (son). the winter solstice festivals were replaced by the birth of Christ, the vernal equinox was replaced by the resurrection. the vernal equinox marks the sun rising (crossing) the celestial equator. The “Rising Sun” became the “rising son.” And so forth. Dozens of gods were have said to be of virgin birth. Very little in Christianity was new - mostly just borrowed from dozens of other fairy tales of the time.
Always love when you confuse apples and Oranges : but that's been your MO from the start of this channel.
first you have to identify a gentile in the Bible: It is your backside, the part of you that does NOT understand God: The face to face is the part of you that does understand God: So these two states are at odds, battling it out, your soul against your ego or carnal mind which is ENMITY with God:
@@yvonnegordon1952 nobody understands “God” even your Bible says Nobody has ever known God's mind. As beings created by Him, we lack any capacity to fully grasp His thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9). And I’ll go even further as far as for me..the creator I believe in has no gender because the truth is we don’t the “ who what when where why or how” mankind came about…there’s beliefs but beliefs don’t equal truth…science has theories which is more “closer” to our human reality
Galatians 1:1-17 Paul does say he is preaching another Gospel, one that he received not from men (James and Peter) but by revelation of Jesus Christ. According to Paul's description of the incident in Antioch Gal 2:11-16 one difference in his Gospel had to do with the separation of Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians over kosher foods and works of the Law. Apparently Paul's Gospel held that there should not be a separation (Gal 2:14). Which, if taken to the logical extreme, might also mean no separation on the basis of circumcision or the sabbath. And this would have earned Paul the accusation (true or not) of teaching against the Jewish traditions (Acts 21:21). For which cause the Zealots of the Way (the Jerusalem church) then try to kill Paul (Acts 22:22, 23:12), in much the same way as Judas Iscariot (the Jewish Sicarii) are portrayed as betraying and trying to kill Mark's Pauline Jesus. It is another of Mark's parables. In fact all of Mark's Gospel is an attempt to have his Jesus authorize Paul in much the same way Paul claimed he was authorized by his revealed Jesus. That is, Mark's so-called historical Jesus authorizes Paul in the same way Paul's revealed Jesus authorizes Paul. And this is why Mark emphasizes "authority" in his Gospel (Mark 1:22).
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All this talk of Peter and Paul and poor Mary gets left out 🎶
The context scholars tell us that going ‘to the Gentiles’ in Paul’s letters refers to a place, not a people, i.e. ‘into the Hellene’ or pagan regions where he would preach his gospel of God sacrificing his Son to atone for the sins of the world, but by ‘world’ he is referring to the non-Judean Israelite population living around the Mediterranean Sea who have fallen into pagan practices and abandoned tenets of Torah Law around things like ritual bathing, eating clean foods, circumcision, etc. His argument with Peter and James the Just is not about the baptism of Greeks and Romans into the Jesus Movement, it is about whether these non-practising Israelites needed to get back to obeying Torah Law before they can be baptised. Consider how Paul keeps referring to Hebrew laws and scripture in addressing his congregations without explaining their meaning, i.e. the circumcision debate would have no particular meaning for Greeks or Romans, but Israelites would know exactly what he was talking about. There is also the matter of the urgency of his message, as he believes that Jesus the Christ is returning to earth imminently and that it is his job to make sure that all the people of Israel hear the message of salvation before the Parousia. Paul was never so naïve to think he could convert the whole Roman Empire to the Jesus movement in the short time he believed was available. I think this misinterpretation of the meaning of ‘Gentiles’ is what gets people confused about what Paul is trying to accomplish and why debates like this one keep going around in circles.
The Gentiles, or "Nations", still includes the people in them. It's indirectly a people group, or rather various people groups as long as they are not Jewish.
It's difficult to read Paul as only speaking to non-Judean Israelites and not non-Israelites as well, though thats a somewhat popular idea going around the internet. It's also difficult to read that the issue was non-Judean Israelites not keeping the law. Not keeping the law of Moses was the practice of everybody not a Jew, not just non-Jewish Israelites.
All peer reviewed scholarship says the complete opposite to this crazy ridiculous idea. Please read Richard carrier article on this rather than crank fundamentalist websites.
Peter in Galatians 2 12 to 14 wanted Gentiles to keep the law.
There needs be a real time debate between Ehrman and Carrier on Jesus
Bart's a very smart man, he knows that there is nothing in it for him to debate Carrier, he would lose.
Bart's favorite litany "there's _loads_ of evidence" would not be allowed a free pass. If anybody ever asked what that evidence is, he would turn out empty-handed.
@sciptick I've just started to notice that, when it comes to mythicism he is just resting on his reputation.
Why would Ehrman debate some internet crank banned from Skepticon for sexually harassing college girls as a married, middle aged man?
Carrier deserves no recognition. Ignoring him and treating him like the nobody he is, is the best course of action.
How do we know if any of the new testament writings are fact or fiction. Paul comes up with all these new rules about the rights and wrongs of doing things. Who instructs him. Where does he get it from? Was it just his own thoughts, beliefs, and expected everyone to follow, like in a cult?
So the big disagreement was over Peter accepting the idea that followers of Christ can be spiritually equal but socially separate - an idea that Christianity continues to live out to this day, whether it’s the de facto racial (and class) segregation of many churches, or the “love the sinner, hate the sin” rhetoric that lets LGBTQ+ people through the door but then shuns them
In all these discussions though, we need to keep in mind that Peter knew Yeshua personally, whereas Paul didn't. That's a big, important, point.
both Peter & Paul agreed that Jesus died, " according to scripture" not according to eyewitnesses! funny what they believed before Mark wrote his gospel.
I don't think Peter believe in salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This was developed by Paul sometime later after Jesus 's dearh and this wasn't reflected in Didache.
All the apostles kept all of the law including Temple sacrifices until the temple was destroyed, except for Paul
Paul is the false Apostle spoken of in Revelation 2:2
@@onejohn2.26. There were 12 apostles only. The 11 left after Judas, chose another apostle, according to scripture, and it wasn't Paul. Paul claimed it himself.
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Yes you are absolutely correct they chose Matthias
I was going to do a robbery joke but someone beat me to it.
Always thought Deuteronomy 23 1 showed that circumcision means youre not allowed to be apart of the assembly. Same with David's nonability to be a memeber of the assembly according to deuteronomy 23 3.
Now just who did the video editing when talking about... the cutting... ? lol!
Didn't EVERYONE hate Paul?
Yes they did in fact the churches he was preaching to eventually all rejected him. He was rejected by the apostles and the disciples of the apostles. He was even rejected by his fellow Pharisees and sent to his death at the hands of Rome.
Or love him and he won and Christianity is Pauline
Nope, and I can't wait to see both Peter and Paul in the Kingdom
@laurasilverstone9735 it's all myth, you know that, right?
@@davepowell4216 no, God's Word is not a myth
18:05 And the children gathered around and chanted Peter Peter The Shellfish and Piggy Eater. Lol
So much for Divine Love even at the very beginning.
12:50 in Tora, having it cut off means not part of the community
I enjoyed Bart's course on Peter and Paul. This morning in meditation a new idea came to me. If around 5% at the time were literate in Greek and less extremely literate so as to write elegantly, and since the New Testament is written in Greek, some of it quite elegant - does that mean by the middle of the first century it was primarily the highly educated who were followers ofJesus? They did the writing and were the ones who could read.
If this Peter (Jerusalem Church) was the Disciple of Jesus why does he not talk about the Historical Jesus in the first person. He was with him day and night and could have provided astonishing eye witness evidence. Why don't we see the phrase "I remember when Jesus did this or that" like most of us would...."I remember when Jesus rose Lazarus from the dead etc etc. There is nothing like that in1 Peter or 2 Peter.
Are they real historical figures or are they fictional characters in an important allegorical story?
Paul didn't exist. It was really Gamaliel...
@@lioicxc6827Interesting view, but what is it based on ?
already confused as we already have a definition for gospels, epistles etc. We get a new definition here of gospels, (i think he's differentiating the preached gospel from the 4 gospels) either way I can be flexible. lol. Appreciate the video.
So Paul and Peter hated each other because
1. Assertions of the opposite look suspicious (to you) and
2. Some extra canonical writings say so.
Wow. Solid case. So convincing...
You're so right. Paul and Peter agree on everything. Scholars have never overwhelmingly identified a schism between these two early Christians. Nothing to see here. Keep believing nothing disturbs your dogmas.
Fwiw the part in galatians where Paul claims to have visited Peter dir 14 days doesn't appear in the apostolikon,, our oldest version of galatians
New AI generated imagery is wild!
Acts is faked, and so is Luke and John and Mark.
Deal with the Hebrew Matthew without all the alterations - such as chapter 1 is added.
Search "Romans Proves Paul Lied" - onediscipletoanother
Mark came 1st though
@@drew123994 No it didn't. Mark was a pal of Paul - who wasn't around at the start. The Hebrew Matthew dates to before 40 CE, it was accepted by all who later rejected Paul. Mark is the lamest gospel of them all and it would take a perverse inind to think otherwise - History shows Matthew predates Paul and Mark, Luke and John - all three defy Matthew - the provide false testimony. If y9ou don't observe the teachings of Jesus you will never spot it. Bart has lack of objective focus....
@barnsweb52 this is all 100% false. Mathew and Luke used mark as their base. Where did you learn this dumb shit? Any scholar agrees mark is the earliest gospel(which is why it's the "lamest"... no one added any of the extra stuff to it)
I think Paul was not just exhorting the Gentiles in his flock not to get circumcised, keep Kosher, or keep the Sabbath and the high holy days, but also the Jews in his churches as alleged twice in Acts 21, vv. 21 & 28. His letter to the Galatians certainly comes off as Paul arguing that because he's not talking about heathen "beggarly elements" but rather Hebrew ones.
This certainly has to be true because it would not be the Gentiles that James would want to keep the specific Jewish Laws per the letter he gave Paul in Acts 15 and reminded Paul of in Acts 21. But he certainly would want the Jews in the diaspora to be circumcised, keep kosher, keep the Sabbath, and keep the high holy days.
Is every writing from the beginning of the common era a New Testament writing?
Peter never agreed that the Gentiles do not have to keep the law I don't know where Bart is getting that information from it is quite the contrary and even today if you do not keep the laws of God found in the Torah you will not be saved
Paul is the false Apostle spoken of in Revelation 2:2
Thanks for further illuminating how screwed up the religion is.
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Yes the modern day Christian Church is totally corrupted.
The answer is to worship God as the Jewish people do, but also to have belief and faith that Jesus is the Nessiah
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792as if yours is better.
Peter had issues. He at least resented John the Apostle, Paul, and Mary Magdalene, primarily because they all had Christ's favor, when Peter was the Rock. Unfortunately Peter failed to launch for a very long time.
If Paul was abrogating the Torah as Church tradition teaches he should be labeled a heretic based on Deut. 13 test of a prophet. IMHO I think Paul was allowing a grace period for converting gentiles to attain faith and then slowly but surely learn the Torah as it was read every Sabbath at the EKLASIAs
I disagree
Does anybody know when St.Peter & St.Paul become a doublet? As in saints days, names of churches or cathedrals.
Did Peter hate Paul? What about Mary?
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How about
How about "menage a trois"?
Very good class!🙄
Peter was still angry because he spent that whole night running around Jerusalem in a panic with a fishing net to catch and silence all the roosters in town but one he couldn’t find fast enough before it crowed. 🤷♂️ all that work for nothing so to say
I actually think Bart is wrong here when you read Galatians 1 & 2. I don’t think Paul mentioned this altercation with Peter solely about eating with gentiles. You have to keep in mind everything that’s written before he mentions this. Paul starts off by saying that he has heard that another gospel is being preached to them and then says that it’s not one at all and that there is only one gospel and basically states this one gospel is the one he preaches and he asserts that he got this through revelation of Jesus Christ and not through any man. So his point it to separate himself from the apostles and even Jesus himself in the flesh.
He then proceeds to state that years after his conversion is when he met Peter and James and that he didn’t meet any other apostle and they didn’t teach him anything. Moving forward Paul then speaks about this other party of people in Jerusalem who were of reputation (from the context this is what I believe to be the acts 15 Jerusalem council.) Paul says he believe these people were spying on him and even says the only reason he shared his gospel with them was to make sure he wasn’t running in vain( meaning to make sure he wasn’t believing and teaching the wrong thing). He then says that not even Titus who was with him was compelled to be circumcised he then says these are that there were false brethren who snuck in to see their liberty (which means to me). Paul and them likely weren’t keeping the law and someone ratted them out . Then he mentions those of high reputation added nothing to him and then says god shows no partiality and it makes no difference to him. He then states that Peter was sent to the circumcised and and that he Paul the uncircumcised and that Jesus was working through them both and that on the contrary Peter James and john saw that he had been given grace and gave him the right hand of fellowship and that the only thing they told him to do was remember the poor(which he was already eager to do). Meaning they also didn’t add anything to me.
So now we have the important information to this situation where he confronts Peter. These same people from of above who he was arguing with about circumcision are now said to be from James meaning they are close to James and dare I say they all likely held similar beliefs.
When they got there basically everyone began siding with them and not so much Paul and not eating with the gentiles. The verse even says Peter became aloof and was fearing the party of the circumcision who came from James, even barbabas.
So what we are being shown is that there was a clear divide between this sect with James and Paul. It was not merely about eating with gentiles hence why Paul spends so much time distancing himself from Peter and the other apostles and laying out that he has to check Peter.
Bart Ehrman I thank you for talking about the bible, Im a christain now.
Yes, if you stuff your ears with hay and blind your eyes with dust, I could see how this helps reaffirm your blind faith
The person Peter hates the most was, undoubtedly, Maria Magdalena.
Are you referring to the end of the Gospel of Thomas?
Did his wife not get along with her?
@@steve-4045 Peter and Mary were married.
Slanderer!
@@tomislavmatekovic6909 Is this satire or are your feelings butt hurt? 😂
Here’s what I still don’t get. What the pitch to the pagans? They show up in Greece.
Hey, guys you need forgiveness for you sins, and this guy was killed in Judaea to give it to you.
Huh? Sins? What sins?
Well, have converted you neighbors stuff and his wife?
Well. I guess maybe.
Well that’s a sin.
Huh? No it’s not. That’s normal.
We know they converted. Is that unsarcastically what you think Paul said to convert them?
Thank you.
Acts 9 :6-7
And he trembling and astonished said, lord what will thou have me to do?And the lord said unto him, arise and go into the city and it shall be told thee what thou must do. AND THE MEN WHICH JOURNEYED WITH HIM STOOD SPEECHLESS, HEARING A VOICE BUT SEEING NO MAN.
Acts 22:7-9
And I fell unto the ground and heard a voice saying unto me Saul ,Saul, why persecutest thou me?and I answered,who art thou lord?,and he said unto me, I am Yeshua of Nazareth whom thou persecutest. AND THEY THAT WERE WITH ME SAW INDEED THE LIGHT AND WERE AFRAID ;BUT THEY HEARD NOT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SPOKE TO ME.
Acts 26: 13-14
At midday o king I saw in the way a light from heaven above the brightness of the sun, shining around about me AND THEM WHICH JOURNEYED WITH HIM AND WHEN WE WERE ALL FALLEN TO THE EARTH I heard a voice saying unto me, and saying in the hebrew tongue Saul, why persecutest thou me?
I find it strange that all three times Paul tells his on the way to Damascus covertion store it changes. And there are no named witnesses to his covertion store( just the men)
Definition of a hypocrite
1) a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2) a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade me or God.? Or do I seek to please men?for if I please men, I should not be a servant of christ........now read
1 Corinthians 10:33
Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved........now read
Colossians 3:9
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds.......now read
Roman's 3:7
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory;why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
1 Corinthians 9:20
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;to them that are under the law as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law.
1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law being not without law unto God, but under the law to christ, that I might gain them that are without law.
He claims to have become as under the law and then without the law, which puts on a false appearance of acts in contradiction to his stated beliefs or feelings. Paul is a confessed hypocrite by the very definition of the word. Paul says it himself he became all things to all men.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you, let him be accused.
Matthew 5:44
But I say onto you, love your enemies, bless them that hate you and persecute you;that you may be children of your father which is in heaven ; for he maketh the sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans do the same?
As for acts 10:11.....read the hole chapter, its meaning was call no man unclean.
It makes sense to me. God hated Esau. Jesus didn't care about any earthly inheritance. The ruler of this world, who has been condemned, offered all the nations of the world to Jesus. (Jesus) turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! (Mat 16:23 NABO)
Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (In a galaxy far, far, away, so to speak.)
My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO)
Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO)
Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO)
Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with (between?) Judah and Israel. (Zec 11:14 NABO)
the one who ascended far above all the heavens (Eph 4:10 NABO)
never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO)
Yahweh and Christ/ Satan and Adam/ Jacob and Esau/ Behemoth and Leviathan/ David and the Son of David/ Peter and Jesus... are the same two characters that ride the Donkey and the Son of the Donkey.
Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO)
Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father (1Co 15:24 NABO)
I am the root and offspring of David, the bright Morning Star. (Rev 22:16 NABO)
there are, to be sure, many Gods and many Lords, yet for us there is one God, the Father, (1Co 8:5-6 NABO)
David, the bright Morning Star." (Rev 22:16 NABO)
You belong to your Father the devil (Joh 8:44 NABO)
How have you fallen from the heavens, O Morning Star, son of the dawn! (Isa 14:12 NABO)
Is not my house firm before God? He has made an eternal covenant with me, set forth in detail and secured. Will he not bring to fruition all my salvation and my every desire? (2Sa 23:5 NABO)
David, their king, whom I will raise up for them. (Jer 30:9 NABO)
From David's throne, and over his kingdom, which he confirms and sustains By judgment and justice, both now and forever. (Isa 9:6 NABO)
Put it simple, St. Peter did not want gentiles to have the gospel and St. Paul did not like Christians until the apparition of Christ appear asking Paul why is he prosecuting me after the apparition Christ told St. Peter to give the gospel to Paul to give to the gentiles. Rest is history……
Don’t buy it
I'm saying that he tossed him down the stairs of the Temple and he broke both his legs, allegedly. Not pals.
I don’t know about Peter but my son-in-law, Bryan sure hates Paul ....always did.😅
What would Paul say to the messianic Jews today?
Good question ⁉️
He would say you guys pay me money or else
Did John hate Paul ? And George, and Ringo ?... oops, wrong classroom....
Borrow from Peter too pay Paul, "I" have heard that one before. Peter must own the Banking system. Peter does have the keys to both heaven and hell. Peter does seem too be the Man of the hour. It seems Peter is the One most people should want too talk too, well at least right now, because of all the instabilities.
I think that Paul existed but when Bart says so I expect an evidenced based argument, not dumb jokes & laughter!
I thought this was going to be about Peter, Paul and Mary
Hey Bart,
What is the good reason that the Saul/Paul was a real person?
the autobiographical writings of his?
Off course Peter hates Paul cause I'm constantly robbing from him to pay Paul.
QS. ALBAQARAH (2) 6-19
so its like petrol vs electric
The question is who was Paul? In fact, who were the Apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Nobody knows who any of them were, of course that's because nobody even knows any of their surnames. Yet the stories they told 50 years after the apparent crucifixion of Jesus, is considered to be the bedrock of the Bible. I'm afraid it all makes the evidence for the existence of God look firmly based in mythology and ultimately the human imagination.
Does Esau hate Jacob?
Does Lucifer hate Jesus?
IYKYK
MythVision guy, you are talking too, too much. You could just ask the question instead of talking for five minutes to get to the question. Don't dialogue, don't answer the question before you ask it.
Fast forward?
I found it interesting
no he wasn’t
@@ScottRandolph - he generally does.
Did Peter hate Paul? Check with Mary. She'll know.
What about Mary. You never hear about that threessome.
St Peters Basilica should be renamed St Paul’s !He did most of the work
Umm, hate to differ here big time. Sometimes I get the feeling Ehrman is still 'preaching' a gospel!. Heres what Erhman is completely missing when he tells the tale about peters dream in Acts. Peter sees a sheet full of animals. Hes told to eat with his response being hes always been kosher. Then listen to peters gestalt.....
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any ......*man*....... common or unclean.
The creatures in the bed sheet are "MEN" thus this dream is not about dietary kosher laws as Ehrman is trying to say. And remember what the voice said, ARISE, KILL AND EAT and peter is saying they are men. Here look at these.....
Da 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and ****it raised up itself on one side****, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, *****Arise, devour much flesh****.
Ac 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon [him], and a light shined in the prison: and ******he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise***** up quickly. And his chains fell off from [his] hands.
OK, I am fairly new to your channel, but I have commented on, at least one video. For me, coming from a Christian tradition that didn't believe in inerrancy of the Bible, you all seem to have thrown the baby out with the bath water." What if the Bible is not without error. In the new testament, what is important is what Jesus left us as guidance on how to live. We know that the Gospels were written for different audiences who faced different challenges. Why not accept that rather than attacking them because "the end days" didn't come in a timely manner. I think Jesus had a lot good to say. Timothy may not have liked women, but remember Jesus's words and actions. Was not "husbands love your wives" a revolutionary statement on treating women as equals? There is much good that various religious traditions have 'messed up.'
But, it seems to me, Jesus's words remain. Thanks for being truly thought-provoking.
12:10 Inconclusive. Possible.
I think of Galatians, i think of Asterix and Obelisk
Why would a lettered pharisee care what some illiterate fisherman or, for that matter, some carpenter's son, had to say about the Christ, about the the resurrection of the dead - if, in fact, he even knew of their existence?
People kept robbing Peter to pay Paul, so duh!!!
Paul changed Jesus's religion into a pagan mystery religion, one Peter and James never agreed with. The Acts story and 1 and 2 "Peter" are forged.
I met Peter in 2004 at a concert after party in Denver. He got very drunk and made a pass at me even though I am straight and was there with my girlfriend. So it’s very possible that Peter did not hate Paul but actually loved him. As for Mary I don’t know I have never met her. But Peter did confide to me that Puff never died!
True story!
Did Peter HATE Paul and Mary? | Dr. Bart D. Ehrman
There is no proof, Yeshua Paul, acts was written by Luke and Luke didn't meet Paul until chapter 16.That means everything Luke wrote was told to him by Paul. Secondly Peter did not agree with Paul's teaching. Paul went to Jerusalem to visit James and Peter. James and the other apostles said to Paul "You see brother how thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are zealous for the law and they have been told about you, that you teach all the Jews among the gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to or customs. Then Paul tells James that the people were lying on him and that he does not teach against the law of circumcision or the law.
Acts 21:23
Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow, take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law.
Then Paul agreed to go through with it.
Acts 21:26
Then Paul took the men ,and the next day he purified himself along with them and went into the temple giving notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled and the offering presented for each one of them. Then Paul wrote epistles to the churches, telling them circumcision counts for nothing.
So the reason Peter cosigned for Paul is because Paul deceived him. That doesn't make Peter false and Paul admitted that he becomes who he needs to become to win who he wants to win. To the Jews he became a Jew to the Greeks he became a Greek.
The fact is Yeshua warned of false teachers to come and Christians don't care to figure out who that is. Yeshua warned Ephesus about men who call themselves apostles and are liers, yet Christians don't care to investigate to figure out who they are. Why aren't you concerned that you could be following the very person Yeshua warned Ephesus about. We need to be scrutinizing the men who were circulating Ephesus at the time and Paul fits all the clues Yeshua gave. There are only three men who presented themselves as apostles of Ephesus Paul ,Timothy, and Sylvania also John because when Yeshua charged John to look after Mary after he left. John and Mary moved to Ephesus. Then Paul wrote Timothy telling him to guard Ephesus from the opposing teacher, which could only be John. John established a church there and taught to keep the commandments of eternal life.
God will have the last word & He will not be mocked. I advise you guys to repent before His mercy runs out for you.
TRANSLATION: "Believe everything I, the butt hurt religious zealot rando says, or muh magical invisible dad will torture you forever!" 😂
@@evangelicalsnever-lie9792I believe YHWH Exists but I still choose revolt
Imagine only ever having guests who affirm your own beliefs and views.
Did Yarrow hate Stookey ?
I thought Paul didn't come along until the 200 ADs and never saw Jesus physically. Only spiritually, when he was knocked off his Stallion at the crossroads...thanks, Mario
No, a couple years after Jesus died. he wrote his epistles in the 50's AD and Jesus died in 33 AD.
@@Supercoolfast oh, thanks. So they did meet!? Love&Peace from CentralCoastCalifornia 💕
@@mariovillarreal8647Peter and Paul probably met but Jesus was almost certainly dead before Paul ever heard of him
@@swolejeezy2603 thank you very much for information. Love&Peace from CentralCoastCalifornia 💕
@@mariovillarreal8647 You’re welcome. This is always a very interesting subject to learn about
Gentile communities struggled massively with eating
Does this topic really matter?
Oh, wow. Peter vs Paul , in the Octagon of Holy spirit.
I know FCB, though TBF I've published in higher criticism....
Roses are red violets are blue if it weren’t for Paul the world would be Jews.
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I think the German scholar had a point.
I absolutely love your videos guys. Please don't be fooled by over thinking the gospel and denying Christ. God loves you so much. Please if you have a moment of clarity repent and come back to Christ.
If only there was an all powerful god that could provide that clarity.
Well think about it. Peter was robbed and Paul was paid
Arguments about theology all the way through history (not much has changed) 🙄😒
Paul usurped the church
Peter was bitter because Paul & Gene wanted to replace Peter & Ace
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If Peter called Paul wise and his writings are scriptures then they preached the same Good News of Messiah, see 2 Peter 3:15-16.
2 Peter is a late forgery. 1 Peter, anyway, seems authentic.
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Whuuuut? When did Robert Englund become a Biblical scholar?!?
“no one listening is going to read [FC Bauer]???” his books have english translations too, Bart. What’s with the alienation??? p.s. not gonna read Bauer probably ever.
Apologists wish they had as hard of a thumbnail as this video has for Bart
did peter hate paul? of course not peter robbed paul to pay peter.
Paul protected peters.
John hated Paul!
What did he think about Ringo and George?
Nope
your tee shirt makes white supremacists smile.