The REAL Israelite Religion: Interview with Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2020
- Come and ask Dr. Stavrakopoulou, professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion at Exeter University, and star of the BBC's "Bible's Buried Secrets", your questions about the (mis)representation of Israelite religion in the Bible, and hear about what actual Israelite religion was like!
Dr. Stavrakopoulou on Twitter: / proffrancesca
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It is so nice to find an academic with such a gentle and articulate way of communicating very complex ideas to those who do not have a deep background in Biblical history. Thank you all.
Of course they do this, it is because you cannot contest what they are saying...but at the same time make you feel as smart as them taking on their conclusion. Academia is a profitable business.
You appear to have rather a dim view of people who spend their entire lives studying the world and its cultures and institutions. You can indeed contest what they say, but you have to be prepared to do the research and be open to challenge your own knowing (I think I'm right, but I may also be wrong)... which is, after all, the starting point for all academics. If you choose to do this, I wish you well on your journey@@poorbanishedchildrenofEve
@@timbomilko5367I think you have dim view .... :)
They spend their life with no or minimal accomplishments. Most of them are paid with money of the taxpayers.
In return they keep their mouth shut about important issues. They do not even get educated about important issues although they have the time, the money and supposedly the brain.
In 2024, they are certainly corrupt!
Dr. Francesca is enthralling, I could listen to her lecture all day. Just purchased her most recent book based on this interview.
We've had to wait 2,000 years to have an informed and grown up discussion about Christianity and the bible. Finally we're getting somewhere !
Your very old.
You're
Your comment encapsulates the essence of the problem ... an entitled impatient myopic entitlement .
You have been "waiting" only about 20 years - 40 at max
to be spoonfed something which confirms your biases...
How exactly does that represent "progress" in the sense of getting somewhere?
Progress because of religious volatile and their violence against each other. You are salty the truth of Christianity is coming out ? It’s not a bias. It’s history. Get to know it ya donkey head Yahweh worshipper.
...but YOU, ,HAVEN'T been 'Spoon-Fed' Somepne ELSE'S Agenda. ?
The study of ancient origins is unquestionably fascinating, in particular what is put forward from academic quarters. Dr. Stavrakopoulou is a wealth of knowledge and her easful and down to earth way of relating the subject matter is perfect for the non academic listener. Very much looking forward to her book. Thank you for having her as a guest speaker.
Learned so much from listening to this interview. I'm so excited since I see her book is to be published later this year; I can't wait to read it!
Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace.
Quran [Last Testament]:
We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them”
“Have We not made the earth as a bed,
And the mountains as pegs?”
I hope that digital Hammurabi continues to receive support from all that's interested it is a very important channel
She is brilliant. I love her take on things.
Brilliant doesn't mistake carbonite for plastic
I genuinely enjoyed this discussion. Thanks so much
Outstanding interview. I look forward to reading Dr. Stavrakopoulou's books.
I love Francesca! Thanks so much for having her on, guys.
This was a fantastic interview. I hadn’t heard of Dr Stavrakopoulou before. When she mentioned Baal dying and resurrecting 3 days later and then says “we can talk about that another time if you like?” I wanted to answer “No, please talk about it now!”. Thank you for interviewing her. Please have her back again sometime!
Francesca is the one who takes on debates with top theologians and apologists and annoys the hell out of them by knowing more about their holy books than they do. I remember many years ago she was on a topical debate show with the Bishop of Canterbury and the Chief Rabbi, someone from the audience said to her "You haven't read the bible in its original Hebrew' to which she replied "that's all I read it in". That silenced the whole audience because they mistakenly thought that this jumped up young women was ignorant of Biblical scripture when in fact she is a polyglot in Ancient Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Latin which made her the most knowledgeable person on the rostrum. Compared to her the two priests were ignorant beginners.
@@mikeorgan1993Almost all American theologians, especially Evangelicals, only know the Apologetics... Nothing else. And definitely not South Western Asian culture...
Literally nothing in the Bible describes the other continents and the peoples there.... The Chinese, Indians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans must have been able to breathe/live under water for a year... The Bible is clearly written by people in a small but busy part of the world with ZERO real knowledge of anything outside their desert and hills...
@@andrewfrank7222 Why would the Bible describe any other culture when it cant even get the cultures around them right. The Bibles description of the Egyptians is woeful to say the least. The writers seem to think that Egypt had an almost identical culture to Mesopotamia when it was poles apart. The reason is simple, the writers or at least some of them were actually from the two river culture so they assumed incorrectly that Egyptians were similar if not the same. Even the Exodus story uses the culture of Babylon to tell a story of Egypt.
It is high time that Americans were taught the truth. The Bible is horrendously inaccurate it is not and never was a history book, its a fairy tale for grown ups with a delusion.
Read Exodus but change your thinking to Mesopotamia and you will be amazed at how neatly it fits.
The Bible was written or rather the stories were made up around the 4th to the 5th centuries BCE, they were written to unite a disparate group of people made up of exiled Babylonians, indigenous Israelites and Philistine farmers. When you read the history of the region with that in mind it all makes sense but when you use the bible nothing fits. Its like trying to understand the Middle ages in Britain by using the legend of Arthur as a guide.
@@mikeorgan1993 Mike, I understand what you're saying, but the Bible is a series of coded books meant to be symbolically and metaphorically correct. It's not read correctly - there simply is no literal interpretation. For more on the subject, I suggest lectures by Neville Goddard. He has a very good understanding of what the Bible is really saying. It is a very different book from what people have been led to believe.
@@davidm1149 Neville Goddard is a fool and quite frankly boring as hell. I have 55 years of reading holy books David and listening to apologist. The Bible is not a series of CODED books that a lie they tell you to trick you into believing that the content is not really bad when in fact its not bad its outrageously horrible so much so even Hitler would have been embarrassed.
So many Christians when they find out the truth of the bible have to cling to flimsy nonsense made up by professional apologists and the kind of double think that make cognitive dissidence seem quite normal.
I suggest you read the Gospels correctly and stop listening to those who want to fool you. Jesus said himself that he had come to fulfil the law not change it one jot. What is difficult to understand about that or do you think you understand the Torah better than God. The arrogance of apologists is staggering the ignorance of the faithful pitiful.
Intellectual conversations are important. Human to human connection is crucial for breaking down the walls of self-centerdness. This whole world is a spiritual experience, yet so many people are divided and are unable to realize how much their perceptions are manipulated by the content pushed their way.
This world could have been a better place if people had the eyes to see and the "horns" to remember all their previous ages before.
Watched this live, enjoyed it, and come back a day later to check the comments and... wow, Josh and Megan with Francesca really does bring out some very interesting commenters from the woodwork of UA-cam.
By the way I am a new convert to your content (via Matt Dillahunty and Paulogia's frequent recommendations). I am now ploughing through all of your content which is really entertaining. I have read everything Dr. Stavrakopoulou has written and every lecture and interview she has been in. I am eagerly waiting for her new book and when it does arrive I hope she does book signings in my local area and if not I will have to travel up to London.
Not nearly long enough. You need a longer show. Francesca is a wonderful departure from the usual. I saw her on one other show and was blown away. Thank you!
Ok, this surpasses any show I've ever hosted. This was just, great.
@Gary Fletcher Name one.
@@AtheistEdge Larry. Call one Larry.
Will you host a show with Jay Dyer and Francesca? That show may surpass this one.
Born and raised a Christian, I find this stuff very interesting. Following the truth where it leads can be very troubling and difficult, but I can't live with myself unless I do. Thanks for your channel and your work. Purchased your books. Appreciate your gentle demeanor when discussing tough topics.
The Bible has incredible scientific accuracy like jet streams and round Earth hanging on nothing. Plus, the hydrologic cycle, quarantine and much more.
Be careful with this information. Much of it is true. But it is put in a false context. Look up guys like Michael Heiser, Timothy Alberino, Thomas Horn, Ken Johnson, Brian Godawa, John Walton.
@@BNelso-lf7db Most of that just isn't true... biblical cosmology is not modern cosmology. Not by a long shot.
@@DanielWesleyKCK Do you believe the Bible plagiarized from the Epic of Gilgamesh?
People are born human but raised to be Christians. Born a Christian makes no sense, even in Christianity.
Loved this-clear and precise. Cheers.
Always a pleasure to hear from Dr. Stavrakopoulou - thanks!
Dr. Francesca explains her subject so well. She is an absolute pleasure to listen to. I love reading whatever she writes. Makes much more sense than any other biblical scholar I have ever read or listened to.
Her book is mind-blowing. In my former life as clergy, I studied the bible--Hebrew bible and Christian bible--in depth for more than 30 years, and with almost every turn of the page, I find my eyebrows raised and my mouth agape. It's like I never really read the bibles at all. And I absolutely love it! Is that weird? 😆
No, it's the common way to read the Bible. - piecemeal, allowing contexts and contradiction to remain separate.
Reading from start to finish with a somewhat critical eye is a 1 way path to athiesm...
People died for translating Bible into readable non extinct languages coz the leaders knew anyone who read it (properly) would know it's nonsense... They never considered next to noone would bother and perhaps the current model - groups of verse reading with a general theme was designed
@@rahowherox1177 That's a common presumption of people who weren't born and raised religious, but it's far from the truth. It would be nice if it were that simple, but it's not.
Even in seminary, where the text is covered at great length, there's a portion dedicated to textual criticism where everything wrong with the bible is laid out - mistranslations, scribal interpolations, contradictions in the text, differences between source manuscripts, and more. And then, we were even warned repeatedly not to teach any of it to laypeople so that we wouldn't "cause anyone to stumble in their faith." Still, no internal alarms, no red flags, just a sense of responsibility to preserve faith.
Orthodox Judaism goes even deeper, and with far greater discipline. Children begin with Hebrew, Torah, Rashi, and the Rambam until they reach yeshiva age when they begin Talmudic studies and classical Rabbinic studies.
So it's beyond an oversimplification to say, "All you gotta do is read the Bible." Religious people study the bible... well... _religiously._
@@woodygilson3465 no they don't. Not properly or theyd reject the obvious nonsense off hand.
@@rahowherox1177 That's where having been born into it so radically affects the mind. I had to come to terms with some heavy shit about the nature of delusion when I woke up after a wasted lifetime of religious service. The brain is a complex and tricky bitch. It takes effort to repair the damage, to build an entirely new neural network, one more grounded in reality, not steeped in myth and superstition. Btw, I'm a devout anti-theist these days, so I don't shy away from calling religion out for the poison it is, but it wouldn't kill you to show a little sensitivity. Those under the influence of a delusion are the last to know they're under a delusion, and deconstruction can be a bitch for some of us. And not least of all, science has thoroughly proven that religious belief is in no way related to intelligence. So there's that, too. Lol
Are you familiar with Jay Dyer’s channel?
A brilliant episode thank you so much for putting this together.
Incredibly grateful to you three! I have both Dr. Josh’s and Francesca’s books. Diligent scholarship mixed with delightful humor eases the angst of one still haunted by a Christian Nationalist upbringing. The most difficult aspect of my release from the bondage of “literal mythicizing’” was the feeling of “there has to be something”. I am still learning to “keep the data close” (Amos Tversky) when dealing with philosophers and the religious and of course, my own thinking processes. You rock!
But you can't save your self you need to surrender your ego your pride your self in other words, to God the Creator in Jesus Christ. to be save from the separation of heaven and his love and peace of God eternal. 🙂❤👌
@@Truthjustice23 Your failed Jewish messiah “Jesus” was killed 2000 years ago and remains dead. Preaching your evangelical Christian theology does nothing to address the reality that Christianity, like Judaism, is the product of cultural syncretism and mimesis of other then contemporary faith traditions including, but not limited to, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, Greek Hellenism, and pagan mythologies. Christianity is but another false mythological tradition.
@@Truthjustice23 why are you so obsessed of having a savior. The times of heroes and legends are Gone. We save each other now. With education, we don't need a dead Jewish man and his supposedly sky daddy, to come To our rescue anytime soon to save us from a magical bond.
@@Truthjustice23 You are advocating for the surrender of intellect and the spirit of inquiry both of which are central to the experience of being human. One could easily ask YOU why you carry that baggage.
@lionzion1879 Reason and use logic of thus creation and Believe because is all matters of Faith to believe in that Creator of all things. Don't take it as a religious of course but Believe in Him. 🙂♥️🙏
Superb exposition and discussion. Empirically responsible, but with a wonderful sense of the mytho-poetic powers of various scriptures. The world needs more of this! Many thanks to all involved! M X
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
@@TorahOrthopraxy but the gods of other nations are not ''false'' gods. Exodus acknowledges the existence of other gods. Otherwise, the plagues of Egypt are directed against something not real: “Against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgements” (Ex. 12.12). Also, I see no evidence that the presenter is either Arabic or Muslim or biased, or ''hates'' Jewish people so much''. If you have any eveidence to present, please show it, but do not malign people's intentions without good evidence to back up those claims. Peace! M.
Another great interview. The DH channel is full of unmissable content. Thanks to all involved.
Fantastic podcast. Educational, entertaining, informative...loved every minute of it.
I am so glad I found your channel. What a great piece. Thank you so much!
I can't believe I get to listen to these PhDs for free. Thank you a million times!!!
Study the knowledge yourself?
Man shall not live on bread alone but on every WORD that comes out of my Father's mouth.
Don't be afraid of the things you can see but Fear the things you cannot see
You need not only Works but more importantly Faith
@@willing1050 Or, in the case of the bible, it came out of somebody else's arse!
Dear Dr. Stavrakopoulou - thank you so much for all your research and explanation - your insights and research are freeing the world of so many wrong assumptions. Many thanks!
Just discovered Francesca - wow very impressed.
It’s hard to understand her English… she should learn to be more American in her speech
@@ronnyvillanueva9404 no most people prefer listening to her more devolped speech patterns, she definitely shouldn't try to talk down.
@@ronnyvillanueva9404 YOU should learn to understand different accents. Why should anyone change their accent for YOU???
@@ronnyvillanueva9404 this has to be weird humour. Otherwise, sure, I guess you’d also like her to speak ‘American.’
Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou is simply amazing
Totally enjoyed that interview! Thank you.
Great show, again. Thanks for this. Is their any literature on the history of the OT & the Jewish people you can recommend, which include the the topics you covered today?
Keep these comin’ !
Great guest, great discussion, great thanks.
Incredible video and very enlightening interview. Thank you.
Brilliant Brilliant show, thank you :)
so nice to see one of my favorite people on your show ....Francesca rocks
This had my 100% attention from the start! Fascinating topic!
Wow! Excellent, you were able to get her on.
I love delving into the very ancient origins like this! 😁
then you will love this channel: ua-cam.com/users/Crecganford
@@IamsTokiWartooth thanks, I'll check out some of those vids 👍
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
@@IamsTokiWartooth
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
@@TorahOrthopraxy what a load of shit you posted. wow
I loved Dr. Stavrakopoulou's Buried Secrets of the bible. It is a wonderful series. She is awesome.
Her series was the thing that finally allowed me to admit that I didn't believe in God. I am very thankful for her.
@ShadeyBladey it was on UA-cam for the longest time. On one of my old computers I had converted UA-cam to MP4 and had it, but that thing went caput before I got it onto a flash drive. I truly regret that. >_
Still on UA-cam!
@ShadeyBladey Me too! It's all but disappeared. 😠
@@beteljuice6629 All 3 episodes?
Glad you're a voice of reason Francesca. Kudos to the hosts as well of course & for all of the discussions you embark upon ;)
Always enjoy her and her objective insight!!
Really interesting stuff, I wasn't aware of this channel before this, you've got a new subscriber.
Glad to have you!
Holy crap!! What an interesting interview!! I had a desire to learn about this and didn't know this info existed. So many questions answered!!! Nerds effin rock!!!
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
@@TorahOrthopraxyshe's Greek-English you silly goose!
@@mistressofstonesclose enough... She's also talking like a secret society member.
@@TorahOrthopraxyshe probably is a member of the Eastern Star or Rosicrucians... I don't think they allow females in the Shriners... But I could be wrong.
Thank you for this interview - A nice amplification and slight specialization of the eye opening book: "The Bible Unearthed" !!
I love Dr. Stavrakopoulou!!!! Thanks for having her on the show! Keep up the great work!
I tend to believe in God instead of Western Godless and Souless people, wonder why 🤔
I loved this, even two years late. So fantastic. I am delighted to have found your UA-cam channel (via Megan’s work with Bart D Ehrman whom I’ve been reading and following for a while). Thank you so much! I’m ordering the book today.
If you liked this you should watch MythVision on UA-cam. He does similar things to Dr Josh. Dr Josh has even been a guest multiple times on there.
Your guest list is like a channel with 100,000 subs. You guys are awesome
That is so kind, thank you! We feel very lucky that so many people are willing to talk to us about their work :)
This lady makes the 2 halves of my brain closer to 2 marshmallows than an actual brain. LOVE this!!!
liking the intro audio effects, and the conversation
This was excellent. It's great getting to hear Francesca speak on this topic, especially with so many sidetracks. Lots of new stuff too. :D
Derek I am in, thank to the interview with Megan👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
Great video!
UA-cam brought me to this video because we've been watching a bunch of Francesca's stuff lately, and when Dr Bowen started talking, I got excited. Just finished the Atheist's Guide to the OT. Great stuff!
Thank you!!!!
Excellent choice of a thoroughly solid scholar who is rightly recognised as being on top of her field. And, of course, the British here will already aware that she is a great, engaged communicator and very media competent
A Scholar is a student
Dr Francesca is a brilliant and beautiful mind, that does not enough credit.
It’s a tragic that I don’t understand her English
@@ronnyvillanueva9404
That is an inconvenience.
Lucky for you her book
is written in plain ole standard English .
💕 Great video
Am going to watch this clip a few times. Clearly knowledge overload 😁❤️✌️
Yap, the title music is a dope track
I won't even lie, I don't mind when a DH stream is delayed as long as that track is playing
What a great interview. I just discovered Francescas existence today and have what hours of her videos while working. Man I love being self employed! I can’t wait for the book.
Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace.
Quran [Last Testament]:
We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them”
“Have We not made the earth as a bed,
And the mountains as pegs?”
Digital Hammurabi serves a necessary purpose.
OH MY GOSH!!!!! Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou ON DIGITAL HAMMURABI!!!!!!!! ... that is SOOOOOOO COOOOOOL!!!!!! I didn't know!
Where has this video been all my life?
Very interesting discussion. Glad to hear someone not working from the hebrew bible backwards as many Christian and Jewish scholars seem to do. I enjoy the working together of the various sciences and scholarship. Thank you very much.
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
@@TorahOrthopraxy She's Greek, not Arab. Your comment is blatantly racist! Why is it that anyone who has a scientific paper or a personal criticism of an Israeli government action is always classified as a jew hater and yet Jewish people are free to criticize any other government's actions? I have always found that odd and a bit two-faced. She does honest scientific study with no religious bias and you are free to disagree, but do so point by point with scientific backup, not this 'it's right because it's the one true god nonsense' orthodoxy bias. You no more know there is a god than my border collie does!
@@luvanime1986 nope, ur comment is racist, and making false accusations of racism as victim, playing the victim card, I said arab related and Arabs are All in Mediterranean places,p and she got deep hate against Jews just like you do, I have seen even giving eyes skirmish evil smile and laugh to Rabbi's, you are just ANTI semitic making the victim of racism, we can see here by logic and common sense.
Racist is when u hate someone by been different that you don't like as u do, and people that you like only as in USA many white skin people love blacks, people But many hate Latinos, and also love Asians, you just showed yourself that u are racist..
Anti semitic.. simple as that.
@@TorahOrthopraxy She's Greek, orthoprax one. Her name even means "bearer of the cross". Go forth and learn
@@luvanime1986 that in itself is an antisemitic comment. I agree with the content. But can you leave "two faced" out of it, in a jewish context. Thank you.
Great get! Congratulations.
Such an fascinating subject as are the discussions. Thank you Dr. Stavrakopoulou for your contribution in religious studies.
Thanks! Very interesting material.
The bit about Leviathan being killed and chopped up at the End of Days is so similar to Nordic mythology.
That's because it's the same story. They pretty much all are.
They all stem from Mesopotamia and the battle Marduk had with Tiamat and her beast army.
@@theautoman22 The Mesopotamians claimed their gods came from the north and taught them stuff. So their origens probably are from around the Caucasus mountains or eastern Anatolia, from where also indo-European culture/religion originated and spread.
@@mver191 Zoroastrian, Hindu and Daoism seem to have retained some elements of the original religion that were washed out in the western migration.
@@mver191 So Odin is the true god of Sumer?
Could you do any videos on the Nag hammadi scriptures, apocrypha of john and secret book of john and all the other gnostic gospels? Would love to hear your scholarly insight on these texts being found in Nag hammadi and other places.
Hi sister Katlin, all are fourth century, and Irenaaus mentions the Apocyphon of John in around 185 AD, saying it was forged. It does however point to the astoundingly wide array of writings kept in the Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea area. Think of how much was destroyed!
@@carlosreira413 you are wrong. Not all of them are from 4th century. Lot of texts from Nag Hammadi are from 2nd or 3rd century. Maybe some are more earlier. You can check about the dates of each text in each text introduction on James Robinson Version or even Marvin Meyer.
@@eugnostos7997 Ok, thanks for that correction. That's what I read somewhere.
Loved this interview! So interesting wow
She's always so wonderful to listen to
This lady is amazing and what she says is endlessly amazing
Lucky for us believers in the Holy Book there is historical proof, Cyrus cylinder, Dead Sea scroll, tablet of Gabriel’s Revelation, even Egyptian hieroglyphics, and so on. The evidence exist, one most just look for it. They might even try to state that king David was made up. Psalms is proof of his life, but because we can not find his tomb, maybe he is false. Let’s be honest David had troubled life and he went through much suffering, but was still beloved by Hashem. I think Holy Book doesn’t not agree with there agenda so they will try to disprove it. They Roman’s did the same, so did other cultures. JUST REMEMBER THAT GOD IS MENTIONED FOUR TIMES in the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE, that even the founding fathers believed in the all ALMIGHTY, I call HASHEM.
Thank you for having Dr. Francesca Stravakopoulou on.
The practices of the early Israelites relating to post-mortem social relations being preserved is nearly identical to that which was practiced in the Inca Empire with the Emperor and was one of the reasons they had to keep expanding. The wealth of the Emperor did not pass onto his sons but remained in his posession as he was thought to live on after death and was sustained by the care of his grave and giving of offerings.
Excited for a hopeful part 2 where she will discuss her book.
Interesting comparison! Sorta illuminates a lot with the temple and sacrifices and all.
Quite enjoyed it.
Thank you for such an educational discourse,will tune in again to learnore!
Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou is wonderful. I absolutely love her interviews.
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
@@TorahOrthopraxy ??? Francesca is of British/Greek origin my friend...
@@chrisrauber6602close enough... She also may be a member of the Eastern Star or Rosicrucians 🤔 not sure which..
@@axiomaticidioms3857 did the voices in your head tell u that...?
Francesca is amazing!
Amazing interview ! Thank you!
I saw dr Stavrakopoulou on telly a few years ago, when Swedish television broadcasted the series about ancient isrealite religion and I loved it. I'm stoked finding this video and on a channel that I already find amazingly interesting
Excellent presentation, would love to see more of Francesca!
Sorry I jumped onto this a bit late. Did set a reminder and then didn’t get notified. It was fantastic tho!! Would love to have more of her especially on Cananites / Israelite history and how the two intertwine 😃😃
Love these interviews. This project Hammurabi channel is the best! Just watched this one and Prof Francesca as usual on top form - am a retired Anglican priest and often shocked by the theological ignorance of many clergy and even more shocked by the way our dominant hierarchy either are ignorant of where informed academic theory is now and in some cases has been for hundreds of years or choose to not share it with their congregations. And many lay people are ahead of their clergy in this respect but are made to feel at the very least reluctant to share this with our oppressive establishment. There are clergy who boldly share these things from an informed liberalism but usually suffer for it with the conservative establishment. It’s no wonder our churches are in seemingly terminal decline… I understand Dr Francesca has suffered lots of online often sexist abuse shamefully from alleged Christians about her views which (hers) are abviously deeply informed and extremely cogent. Loved her on The Big Question which was first time saw her owing to being able to watch it on Sundays during Covid. She was subject to some incredible rudeness sadly often from Bishops and senior Anglicans who not only displayed their ignorance and prejudice but also were exceptionally impolite and aggressive. She showed them up by her articulate informed and calm replies. We need to learn from genius self declared atheists like Dr Stavrakopoulou how to conduct an informed debate and when to keep silent when we are ignorant. I’ve just read her “God An Anatomy” which is pure genius and is both learned, original, scholarly but accesible and very entertaining. Hope she’s going to do a follow up!
Wow, that was really good.
Love your show from India
I admire this woman, I would like to talk with her about my country (México) and its religion, I am a convinced atheist, and I love this place but sometimes I do not understand it at all
Just bought the book, very excited to read it!
Great interview.
What a show!! Dr Francesca’s been on Aron Ra’s show a few days a go and loved it. Please have her back on again asap. Would love a debate/discussion between her and Rabi Tovia Singer. That would be tasty.
The language of Abraham was Aramaic because he was from Aram according to Torah,he was pagan then converted .
The word El was common in Aramaic and were using it for their God's as today were using Elohim and God But because Abraham was converted to the true God he was using it only to the TRUE elohim, El as today using hashem..
It can tell her background is arab and from family Muslim, that's why she hates so much Jewish people and their hashem, Elohim.
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She was actually born in London to a English mother and a Greek father, she has no Arab connections. Your pathetic assumption that she hates the Jewish people and the Jewish culture because she has Arab connections is frankly stupid and unfounded, and it also shows you’re small minded and like to play the same old and overused Jewish card - the victim card. Grow up.
She’s a professor in the Jewish religion at the university of Exeter - UK. Thanks to her, and other intelligent and very well educated people like her, we now know that the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, the Hindu writings, etc, are just mythological books, full of fantastical claims, atrocities of all sorts, immorality, unscientific claims and a lot of empty and unproved promises. So pretty much everything in your comment is absolute nonsense, Jewish mythology, fairytales, including Abraham and your Elohim.
Taking a critical and scientifically approach to the Jewish mythology it doesn’t mean one hates the Jewish people, but it shows how small and petty some people are when they’re so easily offended and quick to play the victim card of persecution. Again, grow up and get a life.
How do I see that
@@TorahOrthopraxy they all worship the annunaki,all of them,
@@TorahOrthopraxy who has an Arab background and is from a Muslim family?
Brilliant scholar and very inspiring... Really love listening to Dr. Francesca Stakrakopoulou.
Excellent Video! Very insightful! 👍👍👍
Fantastic show!
Thank you! It's always both embarrassing and wonderful to realise how little one knows. Thank you again to all of you for giving us these insights.
Thanks so much for this interview huge fan of all of you.
I love Dr Francesca..I had a pleasure of meeting her a couple of times when I was down in Exeter.She is very smart, gracious and beautiful inside and out.And has a fantastic sense of humour.As always a great interview.
I'm glad I came across this video. Dr. Francesca has always been one of my favorite academics.
the name 'Jerusalem' suggests it was originally a city devoted to the (Ugaritic?) twin deities 'Dawn' and 'Dusk' (54:10). . . which reminds me of the Vedic Goddesses of Dawn and Dusk who accompany the sun god Surya Dev.
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Francesca is fascinating to listen to. Why isn’t more made of the polytheistic origins of the early bible characters? It seems odd to me that skeptics don’t draw on this more.
I wondered this as well when I first discovered it, years after I had already deconverted.
My take was that it's not exactly a secret among modern scholars that study modern religions. Educated believers tend to have a few ways of quicky dealing with it:
Francesca mentioned the "Canaanite" inscriptions that are recently being reclassified as "ancient Israelite". They reject that reclassification.
It's known that ancient Hebrews had religious schisms (see the Golden Calf); so the bits of the Bible that Francesca and others see as "fingerprints" of ancient Hebrew polytheistic belief, they see as the bits that probably caused some of these sorts of schisms.
Similarly, any extra-biblical evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas is the result of a localized heresy and not representative of the majority Hebrew belief.
There are a few specific apologetics for certain passages, such as the Leviathan in Job being a normal alligator: God is simply showing how he is so much more powerful than powerful things, and you are reading too much into it to say that it has any mythological symbolism.
"We agree that the Bible is God's word, infallible, useful for instruction...etc." is the statement that many believing scholars have to sign (and probably already agree with) in order to work for their institution. When you start by assuming your conclusion, you can overlook and work around all sorts of obstacles.
For the non-educated believers, they never run across this sort of info; and when it's presented to them, it's easy enough to shrug off as being the misconception/misrepresentation of some people who need to pray more and read less.
Source: I've been on both sides.
It's a shame, because the real history is so much richer than the modern interpretation!
@@galacticbob1Is one way to interpret the Bible as having a polytheist origin. There are many other ways to interpret history.
We do know vast majority of Biblical archeologist are atheist who spend their entire using the Bible as the main reference. At least that is a testimony to the reliability of the Bible.
Thank you. Information I've been anticipating for decades. Thank you.
Brilliant. Great guest.