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That's true, however the amount of time between arresting her and going through with procedures to get it cleaned up may have taken months, long enough for the child to starve
maybe it’s bc i’m the child of a hoarder, but i have barely any empathy for this woman. not many understand the trauma that is caused by growing up in the home of one. many parents have mental illness, and i’m not saying that the ones that get help, and truly try their best shouldn’t be parents. however when ur in ur parent’s/parents’ house, and constantly subject & surrounded by their mental illness where there is no way to run from it is traumatizing. most of the times when the hoarding is bad, even in ur room they will find a way to hoard their stuff in ur own space. robbing u of having a space where u can express urself, do activities, etc. it’s truly a nightmare, and it breaks my heart how many children r living in those conditions where the child and parent/parents aren’t receiving any help.
I was also a child of a hoarder. Well, sort of. it wasn't as bad as this lady, but it was getting there. I had no space for my own things, and I had no privacy either. I always got excited when we moved somewhere else because that meant we'd have to pack everything and store them away at our new home. But eventually, it gets messy again. I've become a bit of a minimalist. I've grown to not get attached to everything I have, and keep only what I need.
There’s also a difference between being a hoarder and a child abuser. I would have sympathy for her if the kid wasn’t in the picture but mental illness doesn’t get to be an excuse for child abuse
i still have a slight hoarding problem but my gf was the reason why i got so much better. i was abandoned by family and kept the littlest things that reminded me of them so i know there’s a place in their heart for me. since I’ve been with my gf i got much much better and for once im proud of myself. and that im loved by my gf and her family. some people have different reasons but mine is because no one ever cared. my psych and therapist help me so much to improve my life. now i don’t feel clustered emotionally. physically didn’t affect me but the emotions did. im proud of myself!
When you think about it, Burges approach probably saved that kid. Think about it. If they had arrested her right at the door, they wouldn't have heard the boy. And, I doubt she would have said anything, so he would have died down there. Because they came back later and walked in to the house, they heard his screams, and saved him. Burges method is what saved the day.
@Jessica Sveen and before her house can be condemned an inspector has to do a walk through of the house before he can signal the crew to tear it down, I am pretty sure that a well trained inspector would've heard a child whimpering.
I saw a red padlock on the door before he knocked it down. That woman is the absolute worst mother ever, treating her child like an object like all the junk she has in her house what shame 😠😤
Becoming a hoarder is not as far fetched as most ppl assume. Go through a hard moment in life alone without support of anyone, stop cleaning, stop caring depression turns to something worse n boom you are now smegel from Lord of the rings but with EVERY item you touch it becomes "my precious". Some ppl have it some ppl don't but it'll show it's face during your hardest times in life. It sucks.
I totally believe you👍👍. I'm all what you mentioned but not a hoarder. I only have the necessities like a recliner, pillow, blanket, my meds, enough clothing, 1 bowl, 1 cup, fork&spoon, and shelter😂😂.
@@patriciaking7892 are you doing ok? Is that like minimalist lifestyle choice or you having a bad life moment. I've been through things in my 37 years, and understand. If you need a ear to listen. I'm here😊.
From my experiences with hoarders, it is triggered by a tragedy or sudden, traumatic loss. That's why they feel the need to cling onto things, fear of devastating loss. The people I know who are suffering from hoarding have experienced the tragic death or suicide of a loved one, and their hoarding is a way of clinging to things so they don't have to ever feel the loss they felt ever again.
My aunt is a compulsive hoarder. She saves anything cardboard: boxes, toilet paper tubes, milk cartons, packaging, etc. She says she saves it for her grandchildren's school projects. She has stuff taped to the fridge from 20 years ago, and the tables are covered in framed photos, so I don't know where they eat. When her father died, she had all his old furniture moved into her home, and now you can't get around the downstairs.
My aunt was the same way but she also collected broken glass broken mirrors and furniture home aid supplies everything. I was trying to get into a bedroom one time and sliced my thigh open on a huge chunk of mirror glass.
@@audrab27 Do what my uncle does: wait until she's out, then stuff as much junk as you can into recycling bags and drive it to the waste center yourself. She rarely notices what's missing.
It is enough for choice for them but when kids or family members or animals are at risk because of them it makes it hard to have pity but. You are absolutely right this is a illness and a pretty bad one.
You are not arresting her for being messy your arresting her for literally creating a health hazzard, seriously hurting many familys financial situation. Putting lives in danger including her own and a multitude of other reasons. Hoarding is very dangerous for everyone involved.
Not to mention it’s a breeding ground for roaches, flies, mosquitoes, rodents, snakes, mold, bacteria, wasps, termites, fleas, tics, etc… and all of that is right next to your house just waiting to come over. Not to mention the structural, electrical, and pipe damaged that can’t be repaired because no one can get to it.
Yes, but it’s also a recognised mental illness. You can arrest and charge a hoarder, but getting a conviction for any of those charges might not be happening.
@@dmf1301 I'm guessing they are treated same as su*cidal attempts 🤷🏻 They are not put in jail but force to reach for therapy and to solve their problems. In this case, learn to not hoard and clean her house
After a while it does get like this, my dad has been a hoarder my entire life. I am 23. When I was young it was so bad that I couldn't stay with him and I stayed with his neighbour downstairs instead. He couldn't sleep in his bed because he'd piled stuff on to it. There was a 10cm wide path he has left on the floor between his kitchen and the sofa. You couldn't shut the bathroom door because there were years worth magazines and newspapers in front of it. His bath was useless and filled with stuff, he hadn't ran it in years. His desk was covered in mugs that he'd hoarded filled with pens that he hoarded. Anything and everything was important in some way that only he knew. We had tried for years to help, the local council cleaned his flat for him once and within six months it was back to being filled with stuff. It is traumatic to grow up in this environment, never knowing order or cleanliness. People think that this level of hoarding is rare but it's not.
Shouldn't they have called back-up the moment the woman started getting physical? The female cop left her partner alone with a deranged person, putting him and herself at risk by going into her own potentially dangerous situation alone
@@jennifermathew1285 I'm sure he wasn't built nearly as well as the guy in this video and I highly doubt that if you knew him as a relative, you wouldn't just hear about it around town.
The moment that there was the strange noises leading to more investigating should have been the key to call for more backup. If you don't know how many people are in the house, you don't just keep going gunho with just the two of you and no one else on the way at minimum.
One of my friends used to live next to a hoarder at a older condominium many years ago that went up in flames shortly after he moved to a cheaper apartment and that person's suite burnt to the ground because it was a literal fire trap. That person did survive but with severe burns (+ other wounds). Just because you can keep stuff doesn't always meen you should, if it's something very important like a Rolex your grandfather passed down to you then keep it, there's a really good chance that there's a bunch of stuff that you don't exactly need, that someone else somewhere else could really use/have.
My sister and her husband’s solution for a mess is to close ur eyes and move on. They both live in a messy apartment with a never ending cocroach problem 🤷🏻♀️ they don’t even have a dining table because noone wants to tidy up their stacked unused boxes.
it's a vicious circle of depression. Depression wanes and tires you, too tired to clean, then sh*t piles up, mess makes you feel bad, fall deeper in depression, next thing you know the mess is so big you can't even know where to begin. Give up on yourself, next circle of Hell. No one in their right mind would allow themselves to live in shit. Logic is, they're not in their right mind.
@@JustinAdamson270 My argument is that living in such a mess is a clue of depression or similar mental illness, not that suffering from depression allows letting go of cleanliness. Depression is lived differently from one person to another. It can range from alcoholism, mutilation, apathy to crying for no reason and suicidal ideation, fatigue is well inside that spectrum. Your argument is similar to ''cancer didn't kill me so cancer is not an excuse to die''. It's what the illness does. It makes everything tedious.
if you are dealing with a person with hoarding issues it can be difficult on all parties involved. set small goals. try asking them to sort a pile for keep, trash, donate, etc. do one box per day or week whichever one is more doable for them.
I was terrified the woman was hoarding a bunch of kids in the basement. It ended up being one kid but still...terrifying. And to think if they arrested her in the first place they would have never found the kid. 😶🌫️😱
please stop saying the female cop's approach saved the kid... a coincidence isn't a save. they were fortunate the lady let them enter. as far as I know after in hoarding cases either property manager or police go over the home and therefore would've found the child. doesn't always happen that way and this is fiction and most hoarding situations are not like this.
Sure people go over but it could be days or weeks before that happens and the kid could die in the meantime. It’s not exactly high priority to go over to an uninhabited property to inspect damage
I call BS. I had to clean up a house that was a hoard. It was SO this squalid. Sure, there were no missing persons kidnapped, but there were so kids living in squalor. If I had it my way, dfcs would have been called. And how many stories of people being found dead in their hoards? It happens all too often.
And i think it's more the cop had the compassion to enter and try to help the woman rather than just slappimg cuffs on her and leaving. Being a good cop is more than making arrests and writing tickets.
Arresting the woman the first time would have meant documenting the house the first time they went out. They saw through the door opening when she first opened the door, they saw that evidence of the health code violation that they are out there for continues on inside the house. They had plain view doctrine enabling them to just walk straight through the house wherever they pleased since the reason why they were out there to begin with was the mess that they can clearly just see doesn't have an ending point anywhere in the house.
@@raccoonfederation They have to document the place for the criminal case. You can't arrest someone and then not document the evidence of their alleged violation.
this can just go to show how serial killers and people get away with crimes. They are only really caught by bad operational security, unless not the brightest
They should show this to the officers. How personal convictions will get in the way of doing right by those who are the most likely to fall to abuse. Because cops have. A bully mentality so they see bullies as equals. Psychology doesn't lie.
@@magnarcreed3801 This person literally said that xD Saying that this is ab example for good cop work (Except if I read it wrong, because english isn't my first language)
Police officers have a bully mentality? OK. Please be sure to pop down to your local police station and give them your details so that they can be sure not to attend should you call in an emergency, because goodness me, you wouldn’t want to fall victim to their bully mentality, now would you?
Hoarder houses are a sad thing, people who hoard basically anything and everything, to include their own children who they just completely forget and neglect. Its a mental illness.
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Soft reminder that there are companies who clean for hoarder homes. Some do clean for free too. Just wanted to put it out there for some who may need help
as a child of a hoarder, i've never been in a situation like this, but i can tell you that hoarders' view on their kids is almost the same as how they feel about their hoard. my social security card is lost in a garage with stuff piled up to the ceiling, so was my birth certificate, so were my baby pictures. and none of that was ever the hoarder's fault, according to them. some of them can't love a child, and yet they can't let them go.
because of the yard fines .. it takes longer for services to come out easier to get the cops , that's why cops are overworked and there's not enough social workers .
My friend's mom was a hoarder she couldn't even invite anyone to her house and it smelled disgusting she always spent the night at my or other friends house she loves her mom but she wasn't going to live in that place and her mom wasn't willing to change so she moved out after graduation she now lives with her boyfriend
It is a DAMN good thing that the sergeant sent them back. God only knows what might have happened. Also, why did Burgess only try one of like eight possible light switches?
I know its an illness my sister had it and her husband im a neat freek so when i went to her flat there was numerous arguments between us because i couldn't understand it and wouldn't we were not brought up like this.When we all lived at home she was always sweeping always cleaning.We dont know what happened in her life for her to turn out this way.Its very frustrating for someone looking in aswell as the person going through it.I loved her so much she had an operation on her back and it all went wrong sadly she passed i miss her everyday i wish i was more sympathetic than so self righteous 😔
I can tell you one way it can happen: depressive episodes. You fall into a rut, you leave things because you don’t have the mental or physical energy, things pile up, then you don’t know where to start, and even thinking about starting makes you feel sick.
some people when forced to live with over zealous neat freaks where love is conditional on HOW you do not WHO you are it triggers something inside them so they don't want to clean ever again because its painful being told it's not good enough= you're not good enough . My Bio mom was a a tidy person , but she's wasn't obsessive like her mother . When she had a mental illness of sever depression though she couldn't clean
What is wrong with that woman!!! Why would she hid her son away she could've killed him! I'm glad they arrested that hoarder because it was just out of control.
That hoarder mother likes to lock his kid away in the basement and does not want anyone including law enforcement to know. Oh my god, this makes me hate hoarders even more.
This is very much a "TV" hoarder. You'll see some stuff around and papers but it's all very cleanish. Real hoarders have mountains of piles with flies, rats and cockroaches around with the house under threat of being condemned.
The set designers and art directors often have a challenge. But this one must have really been tough: piling up all that crap to make this a hoarder's den.
Do police really choose to search places with a single dingy flashing lightbulb overhead or do they turn on a light? Ik they have torches it just seems inconvenient
Clearly a separate comment from what was seen here. I have lately been wonder how much has hoarding become a problem in the modern world. I can understand the easy collection of stuff and then feeling overwhelmed with the idea of cleaning it up. Like a mountain you cannot move but at the same time the inability to function as well must be just as terrible. What I cannot understand are those that keep adding to their mountain and are willing to. I think that is the thinnest line that separates many people. Mental illness is no joke and just as tragic when it affects others.
@Gi Gi this is definitely worth talking about. Most are the elderly but one can argue that this can be a learned ability too. I can also see like you said the issue of cheep products being available to build up.
This is history for people who will develop a hoarding issue in America is astronomically large. I think just off the top my head without really looking it up on that it’s something like 1 in 3 and that’s a huge amount of people. Now granted not everyone who has a hoarding issue gets this bad however, a lot do.
Actually, they legally cannot do that. They need a search warrant which they do not have meaning that they technically broke the law and any evidence found will not be charged against her because it was an improper search
The biggest reason of hoarding disorder is they can't prioritize things. Not only letting thing go. But anything, health, schedule, routine etc. They don't know where to start or what's the next step. They don't know what to keep, what's less important.
My house has not that much stuff so at least I can walk in my house If I see floor because I get anxious about me having a full house with too much stuff if I don't want to keep it. My house is not going to cause me anxiety when I can't walk safely
That's what happens when hoarders are treated with patients and kindness. You have to treat them like the disgusting animals they are. People think they are victims and they use that to their advantage.
It's not an officer's job to decide if the person is guilty or not, it's their job to execute the law. Totally overstepping boundaries and completely unprofessional
I can see why she was trying to keep them away out of her house because she's been committing child neglect and abuse based on her reaction. I think she might be on something and she's been acting strange I don't know what's wrong with this lady or why she's acting like this towards her child but she has to face the consequences of her actions neglecting a child and abusing them not feeding them we're giving them something to eat that's calling child neglect
I still can't believe what I'm seeing so that's the reason why she hasn't left the house it's because she's been harboring a child I don't know why she would do such a terrible thing it look like he hasn't been fed or hasn't been cleaned at all what she did was lock him in the basement for no reason at all what she's doing is call child abuse and assist this boy deserves more than that I mean just because her ex-husband left her and the boy that doesn't mean she has to take her anger out on her own son
this is a great representation of why police are and need to be harsh. obviously these shows arent real and what they show in the shows isnt always accurate but, this shows that every situation needs to be handled with force. Not dancing around egg shells all day to make people feel safe and happy.
@@spellbound_1 This was just an accident tho. It's still better to do your job well. What's wrong with jailing hoarders this severe? And I'm pretty sure that woman would have resisted arrest hysterically, which will make the police officers suspicious immediately. She would probably have slammed the door on their faces and lock herself in, forcing them to go inside, where they will hear the boy. Or once in the precinct, she would beg to go back, knowing the child's locked in the room, scared that the cleaners will find him or that he'll run out of food/drink.
@@iagreewithyou3478 Yes, it was a happy accident the boy was found. The issue with jailing in this case is that mental health issues shouldn't automatically be a crime. It seems to me it would more productive to have a doctor help, rather than throwing someone in a cell to just get worse and worse. As for the last bit, I'm gonna go ahead and suggest that going that deep into speculation on her actions is overdoing it a bit, given she's a character written into a television show.
@@spellbound_1 When they are jailed, it doesn't mean it's the end for them. The system is finding ways to introduce intervention/treatment. And by forcibly removing them from the premises, they can have the house cleaned. And all those assumptions of her actions are not farfetched. They were based on her actions later, and how people with issues like her are most likely to act given that they have something else to hide (other than her trash). And as you said, this is a show, many dramatic things happen in a show.
@@iagreewithyou3478 actually it's very rare for people to get actual help in jail. Jail is not meant to help you, it's meant to punish you. It's why we have such a high rate of people reoffending
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If they had arrested the woman right then and there to begin with, they would have never found the kid. That's the scarier part of this.
They would have, because someone would have done a complete run through of the house so it could be condemned.
@@BabsChannel By then, the kid could have starved to death. Already looked like he was severely malnourished.
That's true, however the amount of time between arresting her and going through with procedures to get it cleaned up may have taken months, long enough for the child to starve
Eeyup.
And sometimes the house is so bad they just demolish it which can take ages to get sorted
The little boys cries sounded like a puppy at first.
Thought it was a kitten
I think that was part of the intent. You aren't supposed to know exactly what it is at first.
I thought it was a cat
maybe it’s bc i’m the child of a hoarder, but i have barely any empathy for this woman. not many understand the trauma that is caused by growing up in the home of one. many parents have mental illness, and i’m not saying that the ones that get help, and truly try their best shouldn’t be parents. however when ur in ur parent’s/parents’ house, and constantly subject & surrounded by their mental illness where there is no way to run from it is traumatizing. most of the times when the hoarding is bad, even in ur room they will find a way to hoard their stuff in ur own space. robbing u of having a space where u can express urself, do activities, etc. it’s truly a nightmare, and it breaks my heart how many children r living in those conditions where the child and parent/parents aren’t receiving any help.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I hope you got into a better situation and I hope your parent go help.
I didn’t go through it but I got no empathy either.
I was also a child of a hoarder. Well, sort of. it wasn't as bad as this lady, but it was getting there. I had no space for my own things, and I had no privacy either. I always got excited when we moved somewhere else because that meant we'd have to pack everything and store them away at our new home. But eventually, it gets messy again. I've become a bit of a minimalist. I've grown to not get attached to everything I have, and keep only what I need.
Same here
There’s also a difference between being a hoarder and a child abuser. I would have sympathy for her if the kid wasn’t in the picture but mental illness doesn’t get to be an excuse for child abuse
i still have a slight hoarding problem but my gf was the reason why i got so much better. i was abandoned by family and kept the littlest things that reminded me of them so i know there’s a place in their heart for me. since I’ve been with my gf i got much much better and for once im proud of myself. and that im loved by my gf and her family. some people have different reasons but mine is because no one ever cared. my psych and therapist help me so much to improve my life. now i don’t feel clustered emotionally. physically didn’t affect me but the emotions did. im proud of myself!
you should be! It sounds like you’ve made so much progress - well done
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When you think about it, Burges approach probably saved that kid. Think about it. If they had arrested her right at the door, they wouldn't have heard the boy. And, I doubt she would have said anything, so he would have died down there. Because they came back later and walked in to the house, they heard his screams, and saved him. Burges method is what saved the day.
umm noooo.....because they would have inspected the house RIGHT AFTER arrest, are you stupid???
damn when you say it like that you're right.
Accidentally.
They would’ve searched the house.
@Jessica Sveen and before her house can be condemned an inspector has to do a walk through of the house before he can signal the crew to tear it down, I am pretty sure that a well trained inspector would've heard a child whimpering.
I saw a red padlock on the door before he knocked it down. That woman is the absolute worst mother ever, treating her child like an object like all the junk she has in her house what shame 😠😤
That wasn't her kid... The male officer said that he was listed as a missing person 4 years ago... She kidnapped that child
@@Sky-iw6ir or she kept him down there for years
It’s a show lol
@@mikeymike9726 This is the single most useless comment I've ever seen in my 16 years on UA-cam...
@@that_himbo_femboy did I say it wasn't??
Becoming a hoarder is not as far fetched as most ppl assume. Go through a hard moment in life alone without support of anyone, stop cleaning, stop caring depression turns to something worse n boom you are now smegel from Lord of the rings but with EVERY item you touch it becomes "my precious". Some ppl have it some ppl don't but it'll show it's face during your hardest times in life. It sucks.
I totally believe you👍👍. I'm all what you mentioned but not a hoarder. I only have the necessities like a recliner, pillow, blanket, my meds, enough clothing, 1 bowl, 1 cup, fork&spoon, and shelter😂😂.
@@patriciaking7892 are you doing ok? Is that like minimalist lifestyle choice or you having a bad life moment. I've been through things in my 37 years, and understand. If you need a ear to listen. I'm here😊.
There is truth in that.
I have been through some hard times in my life and let my environment and my personal hygiene suffer.
From my experiences with hoarders, it is triggered by a tragedy or sudden, traumatic loss. That's why they feel the need to cling onto things, fear of devastating loss. The people I know who are suffering from hoarding have experienced the tragic death or suicide of a loved one, and their hoarding is a way of clinging to things so they don't have to ever feel the loss they felt ever again.
That’s very true. My dad struggled with loosing his dad, then his only son, my brother, died very unexpectedly. He ended up as a hoarder.
My aunt is a compulsive hoarder. She saves anything cardboard: boxes, toilet paper tubes, milk cartons, packaging, etc. She says she saves it for her grandchildren's school projects. She has stuff taped to the fridge from 20 years ago, and the tables are covered in framed photos, so I don't know where they eat. When her father died, she had all his old furniture moved into her home, and now you can't get around the downstairs.
My aunt was the same way but she also collected broken glass broken mirrors and furniture home aid supplies everything. I was trying to get into a bedroom one time and sliced my thigh open on a huge chunk of mirror glass.
I have a small habit of the same, but it is far more minor compared to these situations.
@@audrab27 Do what my uncle does: wait until she's out, then stuff as much junk as you can into recycling bags and drive it to the waste center yourself. She rarely notices what's missing.
The same with my stepdad, though not as severe.
I’m a compulsive hoarder… but only in video games
It's an illness, there are a lot of people like this, such a shame.
& I’m guessing most of em aren’t caught til it’s too late
It is enough for choice for them but when kids or family members or animals are at risk because of them it makes it hard to have pity but. You are absolutely right this is a illness and a pretty bad one.
Most of em don't care. It's obsessive. Being a water proofer I see this too much.
Not an illness just laziness
@@JustinAdamson270 a very small percentage are actually mentally ill
*"its okay, I got you, your safe now.."* that really got me.
I've heard of people hoarding animals, but I've never heard of someone hoarding people.
I mean, historically they would have called that slavery, but it’s usually frowned upon now to do it.
Serial kidnapping
You are not arresting her for being messy your arresting her for literally creating a health hazzard, seriously hurting many familys financial situation. Putting lives in danger including her own and a multitude of other reasons. Hoarding is very dangerous for everyone involved.
Not to mention it’s a breeding ground for roaches, flies, mosquitoes, rodents, snakes, mold, bacteria, wasps, termites, fleas, tics, etc… and all of that is right next to your house just waiting to come over. Not to mention the structural, electrical, and pipe damaged that can’t be repaired because no one can get to it.
then assign her therapy. sending her to jail wont fix the problem
Massive fire hazard as well.
Yes, but it’s also a recognised mental illness.
You can arrest and charge a hoarder, but getting a conviction for any of those charges might not be happening.
@@dmf1301 I'm guessing they are treated same as su*cidal attempts 🤷🏻 They are not put in jail but force to reach for therapy and to solve their problems. In this case, learn to not hoard and clean her house
After a while it does get like this, my dad has been a hoarder my entire life. I am 23. When I was young it was so bad that I couldn't stay with him and I stayed with his neighbour downstairs instead. He couldn't sleep in his bed because he'd piled stuff on to it. There was a 10cm wide path he has left on the floor between his kitchen and the sofa. You couldn't shut the bathroom door because there were years worth magazines and newspapers in front of it. His bath was useless and filled with stuff, he hadn't ran it in years. His desk was covered in mugs that he'd hoarded filled with pens that he hoarded. Anything and everything was important in some way that only he knew. We had tried for years to help, the local council cleaned his flat for him once and within six months it was back to being filled with stuff. It is traumatic to grow up in this environment, never knowing order or cleanliness. People think that this level of hoarding is rare but it's not.
This makes me so sad. It’s a mental illness (the hoarding part anyway) the kidnapped kid is a whole nother story 😳
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Shouldn't they have called back-up the moment the woman started getting physical? The female cop left her partner alone with a deranged person, putting him and herself at risk by going into her own potentially dangerous situation alone
She left her Big Male Armed partner alone with that woman. He was fine.
@@jennifermathew1285 I'm sure he wasn't built nearly as well as the guy in this video and I highly doubt that if you knew him as a relative, you wouldn't just hear about it around town.
@@stephenwillis6937 fine until a methed up whacko stabs him with a rusty knife
@@stephenwillis6937 Just because a chihuahua is tiny doesn't mean it can't rip your throat out if you aren't careful.
The moment that there was the strange noises leading to more investigating should have been the key to call for more backup. If you don't know how many people are in the house, you don't just keep going gunho with just the two of you and no one else on the way at minimum.
Anyone who has seen "Hoarders" or "Hoarding: Buried Alive" knows the complex problems that come with this
Ikr
It was at that moment she realized her lack of interest in doing her job properly almost cost that kid his freedom.
Almost cost the kid his Damn life
The opposite, actually: if they’d arrested her from the start, they never would’ve had a chance to hear him, and fat chance she’d tell them.
@@PokeMageTechif she was arrested, then the city is sent to clean the mess and they would have found the kid
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But that would take longer.
I know it’s not real but the way he crawled to her and how she held him just broke me
"We'll bring something back for you, sarge! Maybe she's got a whole box of personality laying around in there!" 😂😂😂
I like how Kim remembered this as his best work since she found the boy
One of my friends used to live next to a hoarder at a older condominium many years ago that went up in flames shortly after he moved to a cheaper apartment and that person's suite burnt to the ground because it was a literal fire trap. That person did survive but with severe burns (+ other wounds). Just because you can keep stuff doesn't always meen you should, if it's something very important like a Rolex your grandfather passed down to you then keep it, there's a really good chance that there's a bunch of stuff that you don't exactly need, that someone else somewhere else could really use/have.
My sister and her husband’s solution for a mess is to close ur eyes and move on.
They both live in a messy apartment with a never ending cocroach problem 🤷🏻♀️ they don’t even have a dining table because noone wants to tidy up their stacked unused boxes.
it's a vicious circle of depression. Depression wanes and tires you, too tired to clean, then sh*t piles up, mess makes you feel bad, fall deeper in depression, next thing you know the mess is so big you can't even know where to begin. Give up on yourself, next circle of Hell.
No one in their right mind would allow themselves to live in shit. Logic is, they're not in their right mind.
I read somewhere that you should get rid of boxes 📦 asap as roaches in the factory or warehouses lay eggs on them. Brrrr.
@@houseviking4352 depression is not an excuse not to clean I clean when depression eats me alive
@@JustinAdamson270 My argument is that living in such a mess is a clue of depression or similar mental illness, not that suffering from depression allows letting go of cleanliness. Depression is lived differently from one person to another. It can range from alcoholism, mutilation, apathy to crying for no reason and suicidal ideation, fatigue is well inside that spectrum. Your argument is similar to ''cancer didn't kill me so cancer is not an excuse to die''. It's what the illness does. It makes everything tedious.
@@houseviking4352 🙏👏👏👏
if you are dealing with a person with hoarding issues it can be difficult on all parties involved. set small goals. try asking them to sort a pile for keep, trash, donate, etc. do one box per day or week whichever one is more doable for them.
I was terrified the woman was hoarding a bunch of kids in the basement. It ended up being one kid but still...terrifying. And to think if they arrested her in the first place they would have never found the kid. 😶🌫️😱
if they had just arrested her and taken her away they would have never found him
please stop saying the female cop's approach saved the kid... a coincidence isn't a save. they were fortunate the lady let them enter. as far as I know after in hoarding cases either property manager or police go over the home and therefore would've found the child. doesn't always happen that way and this is fiction and most hoarding situations are not like this.
Sure people go over but it could be days or weeks before that happens and the kid could die in the meantime. It’s not exactly high priority to go over to an uninhabited property to inspect damage
I call BS. I had to clean up a house that was a hoard. It was SO this squalid. Sure, there were no missing persons kidnapped, but there were so kids living in squalor. If I had it my way, dfcs would have been called. And how many stories of people being found dead in their hoards? It happens all too often.
And i think it's more the cop had the compassion to enter and try to help the woman rather than just slappimg cuffs on her and leaving. Being a good cop is more than making arrests and writing tickets.
Arresting the woman the first time would have meant documenting the house the first time they went out. They saw through the door opening when she first opened the door, they saw that evidence of the health code violation that they are out there for continues on inside the house. They had plain view doctrine enabling them to just walk straight through the house wherever they pleased since the reason why they were out there to begin with was the mess that they can clearly just see doesn't have an ending point anywhere in the house.
@@raccoonfederation They have to document the place for the criminal case. You can't arrest someone and then not document the evidence of their alleged violation.
this can just go to show how serial killers and people get away with crimes. They are only really caught by bad operational security, unless not the brightest
That front door opens way too easily for a hoarder's house.
They should show this to the officers. How personal convictions will get in the way of doing right by those who are the most likely to fall to abuse. Because cops have. A bully mentality so they see bullies as equals. Psychology doesn't lie.
What? She was trying to be nice and kind and give the lady a second chance. How is that being a bully?
@@magnarcreed3801 This person literally said that xD
Saying that this is ab example for good cop work
(Except if I read it wrong, because english isn't my first language)
Ironically its because of the soft cop that they found the boy
Police officers have a bully mentality?
OK. Please be sure to pop down to your local police station and give them your details so that they can be sure not to attend should you call in an emergency, because goodness me, you wouldn’t want to fall victim to their bully mentality, now would you?
3:20 Probable cause. Thats sad. Hes been there for FOUR YEARS?!?!?!?!
Hoarder houses are a sad thing, people who hoard basically anything and everything, to include their own children who they just completely forget and neglect. Its a mental illness.
This is why the phrase "leave no stone unturned" play a big part in life.
Hoarders are just a growing tumor in the cities.
If it gets to the point of being able to be classified as hoarding it has already gone way too far
I got recommended Med TV and now PD TV and I can’t stop binging the clips. I’ve never been interested in actually watching medical dramas or police dramas but now I kinda want to.
Soft reminder that there are companies who clean for hoarder homes. Some do clean for free too. Just wanted to put it out there for some who may need help
That poor boy! How did he end up trapped in that woman’s basement? Was he kidnapped?
as a child of a hoarder, i've never been in a situation like this, but i can tell you that hoarders' view on their kids is almost the same as how they feel about their hoard. my social security card is lost in a garage with stuff piled up to the ceiling, so was my birth certificate, so were my baby pictures. and none of that was ever the hoarder's fault, according to them. some of them can't love a child, and yet they can't let them go.
I think it was his mother
@@kornkorn4202 🫂
@@MsTinkerbelle87 why would his own mom do that?
@@ianmintz12806 people are cruel
I love that they take their joy so seriously
I dont understand why they didnt call social services to help this lady out
because of the yard fines .. it takes longer for services to come out easier to get the cops , that's why cops are overworked and there's not enough social workers .
I feel like they maybe should have brought along a mental health professional, instead of just sending two police officers?
My mom is a hoarder but jeez this is a level of hoarding I never expected to see
2:26 I got no patience for soft cops.
Platt relax 😂😂
it was probably one of her bad days.
which is almost every other day.
@@linkais3875 LMAO
My friend's mom was a hoarder she couldn't even invite anyone to her house and it smelled disgusting she always spent the night at my or other friends house she loves her mom but she wasn't going to live in that place and her mom wasn't willing to change so she moved out after graduation she now lives with her boyfriend
I grew up in such a household. No one really understands the constant agony of it.
The kid was scared because he probably could here his mom yelling
It is a DAMN good thing that the sergeant sent them back. God only knows what might have happened.
Also, why did Burgess only try one of like eight possible light switches?
I know its an illness my sister had it and her husband im a neat freek so when i went to her flat there was numerous arguments between us because i couldn't understand it and wouldn't we were not brought up like this.When we all lived at home she was always sweeping always cleaning.We dont know what happened in her life for her to turn out this way.Its very frustrating for someone looking in aswell as the person going through it.I loved her so much she had an operation on her back and it all went wrong sadly she passed i miss her everyday i wish i was more sympathetic than so self righteous 😔
I can tell you one way it can happen: depressive episodes. You fall into a rut, you leave things because you don’t have the mental or physical energy, things pile up, then you don’t know where to start, and even thinking about starting makes you feel sick.
some people when forced to live with over zealous neat freaks where love is conditional on HOW you do not WHO you are it triggers something inside them so they don't want to clean ever again because its painful being told it's not good enough= you're not good enough . My Bio mom was a a tidy person , but she's wasn't obsessive like her mother . When she had a mental illness of sever depression though she couldn't clean
It's amazing how everytime Burgess it's on screen she mannages to disgust me so much, powerful character writing there
Girl even hoarded a kid
Its funny how the lock is on the out side of the door, facing them and clearly locked. yet he still goes to check if he can open it.
This is like if Cameron from House M.D. was the main character. It’s so go damn frustrating. Never have a Cameron be the main character
I wouldnt mind having a Chase as the main but ur right. However Burgess isnt the main character of this show theres alot more.
What you mean? She seems nice, woman cop.
It’s BECAUSE OF HER that they found the kid.
It's not hoarding if it's only one kid
Well, you're not wrong but you're also not right lmfao 🤣
Thank goodness their superior sent them back to the house.
What is wrong with that woman!!! Why would she hid her son away she could've killed him! I'm glad they arrested that hoarder because it was just out of control.
The beginning was so awkward omg 😂 Atwater's joke was great, Trudy just doesn't get it
Why does the chief got to be so mean
Idk.
I think they want to have their police be more serious
Me not owning that exact same christmas story lamp as this lady 🤣
Just the look of the female cop's face when she saw the kid is a huge relaization that she nearly let a woman got away with harming the kid
3:37 😂😂😂 she don’t got that smile now
that female cop is like a western/american version of korean actress Lee Se Young lmaoo
Is this common in this show? Having a character that is insufferable and cruel...then "justfiying" it by having the "criminal" be even more horrible?
4:30 - "... Hello, Harry Potter."
weird that the PD would have gotten involved, this is something I would expect the sheriff's department to deal with.
I got shivers at the end. I forgot how great this show was.
That hoarder mother likes to lock his kid away in the basement and does not want anyone including law enforcement to know. Oh my god, this makes me hate hoarders even more.
This is very much a "TV" hoarder. You'll see some stuff around and papers but it's all very cleanish. Real hoarders have mountains of piles with flies, rats and cockroaches around with the house under threat of being condemned.
The set designers and art directors often have a challenge. But this one must have really been tough: piling up all that crap to make this a hoarder's den.
1:54 a smug fool, she's a decent actor lol..
Do police really choose to search places with a single dingy flashing lightbulb overhead or do they turn on a light? Ik they have torches it just seems inconvenient
Clearly a separate comment from what was seen here. I have lately been wonder how much has hoarding become a problem in the modern world. I can understand the easy collection of stuff and then feeling overwhelmed with the idea of cleaning it up. Like a mountain you cannot move but at the same time the inability to function as well must be just as terrible. What I cannot understand are those that keep adding to their mountain and are willing to. I think that is the thinnest line that separates many people. Mental illness is no joke and just as tragic when it affects others.
@Gi Gi this is definitely worth talking about. Most are the elderly but one can argue that this can be a learned ability too. I can also see like you said the issue of cheep products being available to build up.
This is history for people who will develop a hoarding issue in America is astronomically large. I think just off the top my head without really looking it up on that it’s something like 1 in 3 and that’s a huge amount of people. Now granted not everyone who has a hoarding issue gets this bad however, a lot do.
“I don’t have time for soft cops”
Soft cops is what saved the kids life.
What season and episode is this
S1 E4
Actually, they legally cannot do that. They need a search warrant which they do not have meaning that they technically broke the law and any evidence found will not be charged against her because it was an improper search
It’s scary what’s underneath the surface.
The biggest reason of hoarding disorder is they can't prioritize things. Not only letting thing go.
But anything, health, schedule, routine etc.
They don't know where to start or what's the next step. They don't know what to keep, what's less important.
what is the title of this episode and the season it is in please?
season 1 episode 4 Now Is Always Temporary
My house has not that much stuff so at least I can walk in my house If I see floor because I get anxious about me having a full house with too much stuff if I don't want to keep it. My house is not going to cause me anxiety when I can't walk safely
If Harrison can't do the job, maybe she needs to find another line of work.
The Hord lady took it way too far. She literally had a child lock up in her basement.
That's what happens when hoarders are treated with patients and kindness. You have to treat them like the disgusting animals they are. People think they are victims and they use that to their advantage.
My mum was one and I agree with you
@@forlornhope7121 Mine too. Where do you think this disgust is coming from?
@@Kyller9-2 mental illness…. Depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, psychosis…. Obviously it’s not justified but it’s understandable
It's not an officer's job to decide if the person is guilty or not, it's their job to execute the law. Totally overstepping boundaries and completely unprofessional
when I heard the child I thought it was a dog and when I saw it was a kid my heart broke
4:06
hey.... I have the same scarf.
The series is 'Chicago p.d', and I believe the episode is called 'Now is always temporary'
Yep, season 1 episode 4
He knew something was not right when she didn’t
And I agree
To you
Wow that’s sad poor kid
I can see why she was trying to keep them away out of her house because she's been committing child neglect and abuse based on her reaction. I think she might be on something and she's been acting strange I don't know what's wrong with this lady or why she's acting like this towards her child but she has to face the consequences of her actions neglecting a child and abusing them not feeding them we're giving them something to eat that's calling child neglect
I still can't believe what I'm seeing so that's the reason why she hasn't left the house it's because she's been harboring a child I don't know why she would do such a terrible thing it look like he hasn't been fed or hasn't been cleaned at all what she did was lock him in the basement for no reason at all what she's doing is call child abuse and assist this boy deserves more than that I mean just because her ex-husband left her and the boy that doesn't mean she has to take her anger out on her own son
Who Locks up a child in a basement!? 😑
I think a real horder would not have given up her can without a fight….
She just had to drop the banana in the can, not the can to trash. It’s a huge difference.
What would have happened if they had arrested her the first time?
Yes
this is a great representation of why police are and need to be harsh. obviously these shows arent real and what they show in the shows isnt always accurate but, this shows that every situation needs to be handled with force. Not dancing around egg shells all day to make people feel safe and happy.
I disagree. If they had been harsh, she would have been arrested immediately at her front door, and that boy would've died down out of earshot.
@@spellbound_1 This was just an accident tho. It's still better to do your job well. What's wrong with jailing hoarders this severe?
And I'm pretty sure that woman would have resisted arrest hysterically, which will make the police officers suspicious immediately. She would probably have slammed the door on their faces and lock herself in, forcing them to go inside, where they will hear the boy. Or once in the precinct, she would beg to go back, knowing the child's locked in the room, scared that the cleaners will find him or that he'll run out of food/drink.
@@iagreewithyou3478 Yes, it was a happy accident the boy was found. The issue with jailing in this case is that mental health issues shouldn't automatically be a crime. It seems to me it would more productive to have a doctor help, rather than throwing someone in a cell to just get worse and worse. As for the last bit, I'm gonna go ahead and suggest that going that deep into speculation on her actions is overdoing it a bit, given she's a character written into a television show.
@@spellbound_1 When they are jailed, it doesn't mean it's the end for them. The system is finding ways to introduce intervention/treatment. And by forcibly removing them from the premises, they can have the house cleaned.
And all those assumptions of her actions are not farfetched. They were based on her actions later, and how people with issues like her are most likely to act given that they have something else to hide (other than her trash).
And as you said, this is a show, many dramatic things happen in a show.
@@iagreewithyou3478 actually it's very rare for people to get actual help in jail. Jail is not meant to help you, it's meant to punish you. It's why we have such a high rate of people reoffending
Firehazard 101
them snacks look delicous
This is so sad
Four... Damn... Years.
Still less nasty than half the houses on hoarders