Angry Misogynist Attacks a Hospital | Chicago Med | MD TV
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Doctors must treat a dangerous misogynist who shot one of their own, after his attack on hospital nurses goes very wrong.
From Chicago Med Season 4 Episode 10 'All the Lonely People' - A shooting outside the hospital injures April and leaves the ED shaken up; Halstead returns after a stint in the witness relocation program; Charles and Elsa have an emotional confrontation; Bekker is reluctant to attend an event honouring Rhodes.
Chicago Med (2015) The doctors and nurses who work at the emergency ward of the Gaffney Chicago Medical Center strive to save the lives of their patients while dealing with personal and interpersonal issues.
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Even if a woman had agreed to date him, the moment she breaks up with him, he’d most likely kill her out of spite. Because if he can’t have her, then nobody will.
100%
I agree.
If a were that hypothetical woman, I would have gun on the ready, phone on record audio, so I won't get in trouble for what happens next....and probably get a police officer on stand by.
It would be unlikely that the first date would end well, the woman would probably make an excuse and leave after the first 10 minutes because men like him can't help themselves and would mess up the date.
My ex was like this but he moved across the country so he wanted me to get rid of myself
The fact April gets shot, makes sure the other nurses are okay, and then rushes over to the shooter and makes sure he can’t reach the gun, what an absolute legend.
lmao it was terrible acting too
@@marcusaurelis how was it bad acting?
@@stephenking5852 i mean.... just watch it?
@@marcusaurelis I would argue some of the actors on Chicago Med ain’t very great anyway. Patient actors like this guy carry
@@lunarialoonatic Oliver Platt carries, as do some of the patients yeah.
"I am a true alpha male" I can not help but laugh at everything he says.
*GET THIS FEMANOID OUT OF MY PRESENCE*
if it was being accurate he should have said he was a sigma lmao
@@dylkiller3501 What is a Sigma?
@@seanstoyroom7274 A sigma male is essentially an alpha male without a pack. He paves a path for himself, doesn't conform or follow the rules, and certainly isn't concerned about meeting societal expectations.
@@seanstoyroom7274 basically its like an alpha in that they believe theyre a superior breed of man, but instead of being an alpha where theyre the leader of the pack, sigmas dont even need a pack and work alone.
Oh man, if this was on House? He'd be tearing into this joker like a champ. Girls don't owe him SQUAT, and his attitude and actions to not getting a date prove it's not the looks, but who he truly is inside.
Oh, House would have destroyed him with his sarcastic quirks!
What about Sherlock or better yet Sheldon? i would love their response to this lol
Yeah no everyone would being ripping into him and house would be playing devils advocate
@@bigdbandit64 especially Cameron, she would definitely tear him a new one!
@@bigdbandit64 All the while making his "defense" even more insulting than the ripping XD
Not really. House wouldn't take the case, unless they had evidence the guy wasn't like this the day before.
"If I'd just had coffee with him"
Oh, honey. No, just no.
then he would've never let her leave again😐
@@reyskywalker3125
Right? Anything short of a lifetime of servitude was going to have him reaching for a gun.
...only if that coffee was laced with cyanide...
Yeah, he would've shot you for not having sex with him, or not making his dinner the right way. These kind of men will commit violence without a second thought and giving in to them once teaches them that when they behave that way, they get what they want. It's like giving a toddler candy after a temper tantrum.
If she had coffee..it would be like leading him on according to him .
Minimal gestures like smile , asking , helping ,and being friendly make him feel women are interested in him .
They will directly agree to sleep with him .
Some men are that delusional .
Better say I have boyfriend , rather than no . Don't want to risk my life over stupid men by saying the truth .
love how he says women should “give him love” like we are handing out apples
Should have gone to his mom if he was looking for love.
Everyone knows a woman's love is costly.
@@theecharmingbilly we got a fellow incel over here.
I can understand the frustration he feels from being rejected time and time again. I can empathize how lonely he feels because I have been lonley for years. What I can not condone is actions. No person owes anyone love. He took his frustrations out on innocent people and that is wrong no matter what your reasoning is.
PS: There is a interesting lead in line too the shooting.
Monique says "It so hard to meet people."
Also props to Doctor Charlies. He was very proffestional when he entered the room and did not hesitate to defend his student when David disrepected her.
I'd like an apple.
When Maggy says: "Out! Everybody out, now!" and they all just leave because Maggy says so and when she says it, she means business. Priceless.
She’s the heart of the ER
Every pack has an Alpha male and female. Toy with either at your extreme peril. Smart alphas, or perhaps wise alphas is a better term, only use that power, position and authority for the benefit of the pack. Once that trust is established, the pack forms a strong cohesive unit that's hard to beat.
I struggle to understand when people feel bad and why
At school whenever I see most frequently a girl crying and her friends around to comfort her
Ive learned that my words won’t mean much so I leave them alone to help
If someone can get my help though I’ll indeed try to help
@@aloha8389 true but the intention is nice. Like they mean well. I’ve learned to say thank you. I mean it’s better than people ignoring you when you’re obviously upset. Even if there’s nothing they can do it’s nice to know people care. There IS a difference between pity and sympathy though. I’ve experienced a lot of pity in my life I didn’t realize it at the time but looking back, I see it for what it is. Now as an adult I have people around me who though they sympathize with my situation( chronic illness resulting in deep seeded trauma and depression and anxiety) treat me as equal.
The only reason they took more than a second to get out was because they had to question whether they did something to upset her XD
This isn't about loneliness. This is entitlement.
That’s pretty disgusting entitlement
@@feraltaco4783like it’s ok to be sad about a breakup, in some cases you *could* be a bit mad about a breakup- *but you don’t act on those thoughts.*
@@wonderstorm116 exactly.
What would you do in his situation
@@lifeisberserk9566 get therapy.
Remember everyone: it’s perfectly normal to be sad and disappointed if you’re feeling lonely or rejected. It’s not normal to feel enraged.
It is not normal to feel entitled to living beings in ANY way
@@cosmicreef5858 It is normal, though. What percentage of people believe that they have the right to someone else's money? 100% to the nearest percent?
@@YorickReturns You're talking about money. Not living things. And even then, why would someone else feel entitled to someone else's money?
@@lilianagarcia7627 And where does money come from? It comes from a living thing's, a human's, work. As for why others would feel entitled, ask them. You've got plenty of people to ask. As I say, it's 100% to the nearest percent.
@@YorickReturns It’s really not though, you’ve got to learn how to make more accurate estimates💀
Hilarious how Sylvie just calmly and casually drops that line. "Patient is violent and delusional."
That’s how real ones are supposed to be, duh.
Yeah if you bug out over every psychotic patient coming in you’d be unable to do your job
She’s probably seen things… we couldn’t even conceive.
@@XVX_Nickdabeast_XVX So have I, but if you get emotional, you can't do your job. You evaluate the situation, you state what you see, and if you can't handle it, someone else needs to take over. Once you're out of the situation, you decompress with the other staff members who were involved.
IKR, she said that as if it were her umpteenth rodeo with sexist crazies like him.
I love the way Choi was looking at him after he found out that April was almost killed cause of that waste
It's funny how I've noticed women immediately condemn tge man but men try to understand him first.
The result we see here isn't the cause it's just the effect. It's not the disease, it's just the symptom.
What happened here is a shame and I don't condone hatred, misogyny or violence.
That being said, loneliness is an epidemic and it is affecting both sides.
When we have physical pain, we take pain killers, when we are sick, we rest and take medication. What do we do for loneliness? There isn't a one size fits all cure all for loneliness. Sure we have friends, but there is a level of intimacy you just can't get from just friends.
Why don't the lonely girls get with the lonely boys then, well, it's sadly not that simple. Guys would gladly do this and don't ask for much in a relationship, just peace, respect and s3x from time to time. Women however want more, especially now. The rule of 6s. 6 feet tall, 6 pack, 6 figure income, 6 cars and 6 houses.
Just being 6 feet tall automatically disqualifies 85% of men and those that make 6 figures are already the 1%. That's when you find 80% of women are chasing tge top 10% of men, that's why you find every athlete has slept with every girl and guys are painted as dogs because girls keep sharing the same group of athletic and successful men.
This is where tge idea of tge patriarchy comes from. All men are held to tge standard of the hyper successful few. For every millionaire, there are 50 trash collectors. As a larger proportion of the collective male population, men don't rule the world, we just make it run with hard work.
Ask most women and you'll find they see about 70% of men as below average... I know, the math is astounding. 60% of guys are either virgins or have not had any fun time in over a year but the statistics are flipped with only 40% of women being virgins and or not having sex in the last year. A stark difference.
This was actually a study, conducted by women. It's just harder to date and find love as a man. Until we can figure this out and cure the epidemic of unwanted men and women that feel played by the ones they keep repeatedly choosing, then we can eliminate so called incels and bitter women.
@@tafaragadze6432a whole rant to defend a misogynistic fiend is insane
@@tafaragadze6432 first spell the word “the” correctly. And second that 6 rule isn’t with most women. You’re right tho, it’s not that simple for lonely women to just go with lonely men. Bcuz women aren’t going to date a lonely guy JUST bcuz they are lonely. They will date a guy if they LIKE him.
@@tafaragadze6432 Women immediately condemn him, ya he shot at are sisters because he was lonely, that’s all we need to understand.🤦♀️
Reminds me of the Virginia Tech shooting. 32 dead, 17 wounded, and the shooter had hours of video ranting about women, how he was the alpha, and hating women since they didn't worship him.
It’s definitely based on Elliot Rodger. Watch the video he made directly before his shooting. It’s almost exactly the same.
@@MERNOXOPHLAM
Wait it’s still viewable? Wouldn’t it have been taken down at this point?
@@Toneill029His videos were never posted to youtube, they were part of a video diary that he uploaded to a google drive before his massacre, many media outlets shared them when the shooting happened which is why they’re still so easily findable online.
@@Toneill029 It was a couple days after the shooting. But nothing can be taken down from the internet. It's probably somewhere on twitter.
DUDE! I didn't even know the Virginia Tech shooting was committed by an incel (was quite young at the time)
Can we just appreciate how good of an act this guy plays? The more you hate him, the better job he's doing
He is super nice in real life
Real
Its actually pretty cringey and unrealistic
@@harvest44492 look up some of the worst cases.
I’m not gonna applaud him for that
Okay but are we gonna ignore the fact that one of the nurses got SHOT IN THE ARM and didn't react beyond a small yelp and a wince? She immediately got up and ran over, kicking the gun away as she calls 911. Then immediately gets to work in a high-stress environment with the guy who just shot her in the same hospital. What a badass.
Adrenaline will do that: when it's kicked into high gear, a person will not even notice their injuries until they've calmed down. Adrenaline has also been known to give people, especially women, a temporary strength boost. It's been documented that some women have actually been able to lift cars up when their kids are trapped underneath.
@@metalridley6 I said only when their kids are in danger. Maternal instincts combined with an adrenaline rush can give women quite the power boost.
@@metalridley6 What do you mean fake news? These things literally happen all the time. Adrenaline is there to kick your body into survival mode.
It was a grazing shot, it's not that complicated.
Adrenaline kicked in
Such a wonderful parallel, Dr. Charles says, “it’s a loneliness epidemic”, and then you see how Monique mentions she has no family or friends to pick her up, you see how the shooting impacted her, vs the shooter, what he’s done, and his whole demeanor.
It’s not loneliness that’s the issue here.
Yes, she had the support of her coworkers, doesn’t mean she isn’t lonely outside of work. “What if he didn’t even have friendly coworkers?”, lots of people don’t, are still lonely, but they don’t shoot other people for it.
I am lonely a lot. I have ASD, so I often feel I cannot connect or like I am speaking a different language from anyone else. I have never once turned homicidal over it.
It's loneliness and entitlement. The difference between him and Monique is that she's lonely but doesn't feel entitled to friends or other peoples time.
He says that "he deserves love" (although he more means sex), which is mostly true. Most people deserve some sort of love, but the mistake is that while people deserve love, they are not entitled to it, particularly from any specific person.
@@8bennaboo yep, me too. Same deal.
She's lonely and is a woman, so there's far more helping hands for her than for him. There's a reason men commit suicide more.
@@milanmohan7731 you do know women attempt suicide more?
The reason there were more helping hands for her than for him is because he went on a rampage and attempted to kill, “all”, women because they, “withheld sex”, from him. She was one of the attacked. Such a wonder why people don’t like to be around people like him.
He found comradeship from people who held his same views online, he was lonely and it turned into hate for women. Even if it was just talking about, “helping hands”, he’s less likely to seek out help that’s not from the online groups that think like him.
That’s also another reason men die from suicide more than women, women attempt more, but then they go seek help out themselves. To an extent you have to help yourself, you have to want the help, you have to meet help halfway.
“I deserve love, but they won’t give it to me!”
Bro, you tried to shoot people. Now more people would less likely love you 😐
You mean NONE since he is EVIL. That boy/guy/man who deserved love is GONE
This is a demon. Now he will NEVER gets love.
Yuh, this kind of person doesn’t really think they should have to do anything more than existing to deserve things going their way. They’re also generally not a fan of the notion that their actions have consequences, or of taking responsibility for them.
I suspect that violent incels dont do well on prision and get more loving than what they can handle.
The natural endpoint of the Black Pill mindset. To quote contrapoints "since triumph is impossible, why not try revenge?"
it's crazy that this scenario happend in real life, I"m so sorry for the women who have lost their lives because of people like him
It has happened several times. In fact, one aspect of mass shooters is that almost all of them either have a history of domestic violence or misogynistic beliefs, and few people talk about it. You have to dig to find the studies and articles. When these articles are shared on social media, they're piled on, ironically, by misogynists.
Do you know the real story? Or know where I can find it
@@DKWill09 he couldn't get laid and thought it was because he was unattractive but in reality it was because he was insane one day he got rejected than killed three of his roommates did a drive buy killing three more people after crashing he shot himself
@@DKWill09 Elliot Rodger.
Same here🙏 may they rest in peace
I remember years ago an older man who was like this was escorted off our university campus. I was just minding my own business walking on the footpath just outside campus (on my way there), and he started verbally abusing me just for being female. Shouting and calling me names. His argument was I think I'm better than him. I never met the guy, and was actually worried about an exam I was about to take, and whether I had enough parking time for my car. Thankfully a male tutor saw what was happening, and walked me into the building. The guy was later arrested by police. He would have been in his 60s...I aced the exam...
You were (and maybe still are) better than him since you didn't go out of your way to terrorize others.
Congrats on your exam pass!
@@Brittany76661 thanks! It was a few decades ago, but I remember how shaky I was at the time.
Good job, girl. Ignore his old self.
@@sarahrobertson634 thankyou
2:34 that “bitch” was the weakest delivery for an insult ever 😭
"I cant believe I have to spout these cringe lines"
And she was just like "Sure buddy 🤷♀️"
I paused LMAO 😂
He went high pitch for that XD
Honestly really just sells that this guys pathetic.
Either that was intentional or not but hey its there.
For anyone wondering, Dr. Charles did declare him legally sane (as in he knew what he was doing and the consequences of that) and he was sent to prison
I LOVE when Maggie yells "OUT! Everybody out now!" as a bunch of female nurses to a bunch of male doctors. And they listened immediately. She had her girl's back & the guys respected them. No questions asked. Powerful scene.
stunning and brave
Idk if powerful is the word I’d use but each to their own
@@dickkickem I dunno about brave, but it definitely shows the doctors have immense respect for these women.
Yes yes, very powerful.
I mean, don't argue with the nurse. Never argue with the nurse. Argue with the nurse and you're gonna have a bad day.
I just gotta appreciate the actor who played the misogynist in this episode. Did a really great job at making people hate his character. 🤣
Edit: No, it's not Freddie Highmore. His name is Ben Lorenz. He did some work on FBI Season 5 too! Definitely check his work out!
Is the actor Freddie highmore?
Didn't even had to do a good job acting here. Hating people like the one he plays should be an instinctive reaction of every normal human being.
i want to imagine he's a very nice guy in real life.
@@Prunejuice928 i dont think so
The sign of a good actor is not making them like you, it’s making you hate them.
The guy should have lost all exposure to women staff the second he arrived, he was a clear and present danger to them, actively talking about killing them all, and they didn't deserve being forced to be around him.
"You don't deserve to be forced to do your job if what your job entails makes you uncomfortable or puts you in harms way." Entitlement, you aren't entitled to live in perfect comfort and safety 24/7 and you are even less entitled to work in perfect comfort and safety 24/7.
@@CatzlovichCatnipAndCabbages Yikes. Clearly you have never worked in the medical field and I hope you never do with that attitude. People have every right to feel safe in their life and workplace. If I walk into a patient’s room who is violently threatening me and other female co-workers they will be reassigned to a male nurse and tech if possible and we will order physical and chemical restraints as a last resort. If they are deemed a danger to the public we will obtain a court order to hold them for 96 hours. Society depends on the safety of its citizens, criminology 101. Healthcare staff are not obligated to put themselves in harms way, nurses already get killed or injured by patients way too often. Don’t like it? Cry about it. Hospitals and clinics are private businesses, and as long as care is not being refused they can allocate staff however they please.
@@Equal_inDeath What if the patient is also threatening your male co-workers do they not have the right to work in safe environment? You know what your job entails when you sign up for it, if a cop is unwilling to risk his life to run into a school where there is an active shooter then that person shouldn't be a cop and it's the same with hospital staff if you aren't willing to deal with difficult mentally unstable and possibly violent patients then maybe working in the health care field isn't for you? The world shouldn't have to cater to each person's uniquely specific quirks and personal preferences, either do what is asked of you and shut up or leave that's how things work.
@@CatzlovichCatnipAndCabbages Note the "if possible" If male staff is not around for this type of patient they will get female staff. If a patient is willing to harm staff then they will have security and extra people. There's a way to deal with these patients but it is all about the best and most methodical way. The best and most methodical way involves keeping everyone safe as much as possible while getting the job done. The Uvalde school shooting officers fail because they had protection and could have saved lives, they did not get the job done and were definitely not methodical with their whole operation.
@@CatzlovichCatnipAndCabbages Patient care includes the presence of potential deadly weapons and this guy openly declared he wanted to commit mass femicide, even attempting to commit got him there in the ED. That's not "makes you uncomfortable", that's "actively endangering your life" and that's an unacceptable workplace hazard.
Just because you're lonely, doesn't mean you're entitled to anything
True, just because you feel entitled to the love and acceptance that other people receive doesn't mean that you should automatically get it...
I wish the LGBTQP+ community would learn to understand that. Lol
@@CatzlovichCatnipAndCabbages?
@@alabastercalhoun ??
@@CatzlovichCatnipAndCabbages no?? Wtf lgbtq has nothing to do with this. This episode is about an adult man who believes that women, who don't have sex or date him just because he asked, are worthless. LGBT people on the other hand just want to be able to go outside and hold their partners hand without being abused or murdered
@@shadywolf6042 And just because lgbtqp+ people want that doesn't mean that they are entitled to it, you aren't entitled to love and acceptance especially from society. How egotistical does a person or group of people have to be to demand that everyone around them accept them for "who they are". Lol
"Patient is violent and delusional" I love how calmly Brett says that, like it's just a normal day of pushing a crazy dude through the hospital.
I'd imagine it's not rare, but not common either
she seems so like sick of it lol
Yes. That’s their job.
It's actually really funny how she says it, too.
If you work in an ED yeah it kind of is lol
it's not loneliness the epidemic, it's misogyny. otherwise you would hear the same amount of crimes committed by lonely women, but you don't. misogyny is the epidemic.
Amen. Say it louder for the people in the back.
EXACTLY!
No, i think they’re right. There’s lots of women that are mad at men for not being able to be in a relationship and are lonely as well, and they act the same, just in their own way. Its rare thankfully
Misogyny is the driver for thinking violence is the appropriate reaction but loneliness is what they're reacting to, albeit inappropriately. The problem with this assessment is that you can't target misogyny, anyone who's going to be receptive to campaigns against this type of behaviour isn't at risk of going this far in the first place and anyone not receptive is going to be further radicalised by what they see as attempted brainwashing. We can however target loneliness, and if there's nothing to react to then the problem of misogyny causing inappropriate and dangerous reactions is nullified.
Couple of things, 1. Far more lonely men than lonely women, men usually stay lonely for longer too. 2. Men being more physically focused are more likely to turn to anger and violence to deal with any problem in their life than women, from deep societal woes to their toaster breaking down. 3. Men are on average more emotionally isolated than women and more likely to feel as if they can take on the world single handedly so these feelings fester rather than getting resolved.
Monique is such a sweetheart honestly. My heart breaks seeing her blame herself for something that's not her fault.
Considering he did what he did as a direct result of something *she* did, she is *technically* partially to blame. Not justifying the guys actions here, but there is still cause and effect.
@@Morten_Storvik so if a girl rejects you and you go on a killing-spree , the girls should be blamed for your actions?
Monique is one of my favorite nurses on the show broke my heart when she cried & blaming herself, she did nothing wrong ❤
@@jimloontiens9275 This person has some interesting semblance of logic.
@@Morten_Storvikwomen are not responsible for the choices men make
These men don't just exist, they are growing into a community. As a woman it is literally terrifying I am much more scared than I used to be while walking alone or talking to a stranger.
And Men like Andrew Tate ain't helping
and im the man that walks around at night looking for guys that prey on the weak. i may be insane but rule is dont harm innocent women and children. men are never innocent because we do what we must to protect our families. no matter how much rage we feel.
@@Eddi3xBac0n So you’re real life Batman?
@@Eddi3xBac0nappreciate you big dog
Not all men are like that there are lots of not so good looking blokes who mange to get dates sex happy relationships lo e respe t so.ething you earn he's just messed up mentaly were not all like that
What's scarier is that "men" like this truly exist. Many play out these sick fantasies and unfortunately due to the world we live in, most places let them get out easy.
Damn right. Some women are even like him, except they attack men.
@@atas2561 Some attack other women because of their own jealousy. The amount of fights that happen at my cousin's school because of jealousy is crazy. The amount of girls going to the hospital with their teeth broken, eyes torn out, and ears torn off is insane.
@@bingbongimcomingforyourdon9730Damn- I think nowadays it doesn’t even matter what u are- people will attack you if ur a male or female- I’m sorry abt what happened to ur cousins bro
@@bingbongimcomingforyourdon9730in ur cousins school*
Waiting for the bisexual incels to come by and kill off everyone lmao
The important part of this episode is not the misogynistic pig that shot April. It’s the sisterhood of Nurses that April, Maggie, and Monique have.
Pigs are awesome, nothing like this guy.
@@8bennabooPigs are at little skits, though they still have limitations.
It’s so great to see how the nurses support each other
As a woman working in a hospital, I'm scared of this all the time because it does happen a lot. Men will be misogynistic and violent with me for no reason. They truly hate us.
Not as much as women hate men. We created society and still women hate us.
Why tf was my comment deleted 🤣🤣
Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.
What happened here is a shame and I don't condone hatred, misogyny or violence.
That being said, loneliness is an epidemic and it is affecting both sides.
When we have physical pain, we take pain killers, when we are sick, we rest and take medication. What do we do for loneliness? There isn't a one size fits all cure all for loneliness. Sure we have friends, but there is a level of intimacy you just can't get from just friends.
Why don't the lonely girls get with the lonely boys then, well, it's sadly not that simple. Guys would gladly do this and don't ask for much in a relationship, just peace, respect and s3x from time to time. Women however want more, especially now. The rule of 6s. 6 feet tall, 6 pack, 6 figure income, 6 cars and 6 houses.
Just being 6 feet tall automatically disqualifies 85% of men and those that make 6 figures are already the 1%. That's when you find 80% of women are chasing tge top 10% of men, that's why you find every athlete has slept with every girl and guys are painted as dogs because girls keep sharing the same group of athletic and successful men.
This is where tge idea of tge patriarchy comes from. All men are held to tge standard of the hyper successful few. For every millionaire, there are 50 trash collectors. As a larger proportion of the collective male population, men don't rule the world, we just make it run with hard work.
Ask most women and you'll find they see about 70% of men as below average... I know, the math is astounding. 60% of guys are either virgins or have not had any fun time in over a year but the statistics are flipped with only 40% of women being virgins and or not having sex in the last year. A stark difference.
This was actually a study, conducted by women. It's just harder to date and find love as a man. Until we can figure this out and cure the epidemic of unwanted men and women that feel played by the ones they keep repeatedly choosing, then we can eliminate so called incels and bitter women.
You think I ever want to go to hospital and unfortunately get a female person attending to me after a life of hatred from you all!?
When Daniel Charles raises his voice, people damn well *listen*.
If I remember correctly though the student Doctor didn't have an interest in psychology or psychiatry.
Dr Charles kinda focused on her because he was wanting a replacement for Robin
@@gregjenkinson7512 dr.Currie actually made a patient think her baby was dead to save her life and that’s the only reason the patient would abort it. Turns out the baby still had a heartbeat but dr.c played it off as a ultrasound malfunction. After that dr. Charles kept a really close eye on her reviewed her charts w her etc
@@rhylerember Dr Charles seems to have a habit of getting students with vast psychological problems and boundary issues. Reese had a few days like that too!
@@rhylerember that is exactly why he’s requiring her to shadow him. Her behavior on this case just highlighted that she has an inability to separate her personal views from her job. Which as doctors, they’re sworn to do. This isn’t someone who’s had a couple minor issues that are typical of the growing pains doctors go through. It’s major issues in which she crosses the hard line that no doctor is allowed to cross.
@@rhylerember I remember that episode. There are only a couple of times I have seen Dr Charles raise his voice. He is one of those characters that you don't want him raising his voice.
It's not loneliness. It's entitlement, I spent decades with no relationship or partner but I never thought the answer was to harm those who ignored me!
Decades! bro I'm sorry truly, I've been alone my whole life and I've been depressed for a few years now I'm still young tho so I have small hopes still but it's hard to stay positive
Dr. Charles's scene where he mentions loneliness being an epidemic was meant to sound sad, but the loneliness of toxic men is an improvement. Three generations ago, American men weren't lonely because women had no OPTIONS. Universities wouldn't teach us, employers wouldn't hire us for "men's work", banks wouldn't give us loans or accounts- most of us had to get married and stay married to flourish. Men didn't have to TRY to be good partners, because we needed them financially. Now, young men have to learn how to be good partners, or they'll stay lonely. That's a social shift we should be PROUD of- that toxic men are lonely because no one has been systemically forced to stay with them. (Obviously, there are still DV situations, but they aren't as supported by systemic patriarchy as they used to be.)
So much yup here.
Can we take the concept of "thinking for ourselves" too far?... Maybe but it's not like we care anyways.
funny how many women are now stating they regret not getting married, that going to get a job and university was a giant mistake. that those women who decided to have children and get married were much happier.
birth control has been found to drive women insane. that no fault divorce has damaged society. lots of feminists are now stating feminism is evil because of what resulted
So true.
I disagree with the last part. DV is still a silent epidemic that largely goes unpunished.
Its not always about looks or wealth. Its about personality and compatibility. Everyone does deserve be loved but everyone also deserves to be respected.
Respect is earned first off. And I’m sorry to tell you but that first thing you said, that’s bullcrap. Looks and wealth these days are the only way to get a girl to like you if you are a man.
@@grizzly_manbanimation8436 "I’m sorry to tell you" - Like she cares or anything, as a female she's the chooser no matter what.
The thing is that I don't even think he's particularly ugly - he could probably be pretty attractive to some women wouldn't it be for his horrible personality.
@@grizzly_manbanimation8436 Nah, that's just bullshit
Man, I am almost 29 years and still single but I never came up with the idea too blame woman for my situation.
Me too. I'm 26 years old and i've never been in a relationship
Me, too, and im 34.
Some folks, i swear. 🙄
That’s because you are a good guy.
Hopefully you all find your person soon, but if not, thanks for being good guys.
I'm with the female doctor. Victims of gun violence needs justice and the preparator needs to be held accountable, not diagnosed.
Diagnosis is just as important as justice. Yes they need to pay for their actions, they also need help to try and keep a repeat from occurring.
@@m_d1905 Diagnosis are the job of the Defense Attorneys. The Doctors only concern are the immediate juries the "Patient's" substain during his shootings. A shooting with the intend to kill is a criminal act and the responsibility of law enforcement.
@@kyereCat wait.. Are you saying it's the defense attorneys job to diagnose mental illnesses in people, in instead I of psychologists?
I think they do need to get diagnosed, if only to prevent them for making more victims
No, they need to be diagnosed, as diagnosis helps with treatment even if they are sent to prison the would be referred to a mental specialist or someone who can help them. And yes you are right it is the doctors concern to look after the patients physical injuries, but Dr, Charles concern is his state of mind and that's his concern. If someone shot someone, and wasn't injured and they were arrested its very likely that the police would still have them physiologically checked out. And how can agree with Elsa she stepped over the boundary of professional and became rude, cruel, how can you agree with that, she herself was also self entitled to even say that "she was just trying her best" and Doctor Charles was right.
Monique, sweetheart, it’s not your fault. It’s NEVER your fault. He’s just sick.
Yeah she didn’t owe him anything. He was not owed anything. She dodged a bullet, figuratively and literally.
Guys who use the terms alpha or beta male don't deserve relationships
Literally thought the same
Using certain words makes you unworthy of love according to people on the internet.
Wow, it's a total mystery why so many young people are refusing to become productive members of society.
Since the entire English language as well as other languages and words such as alpha and beta were invented by humans in the first place, I am going to counter this by saying a human that uses any words at all does not deserve relationships. (I obviously don't believe this but I do not think it is up to you whether a zoologist who uses these words more than incels get married and has a family or not.)
It’s so upsetting seeing Monique upset. She didn’t need to be! It was definitely not her fault at all! It’s that guy’s fault for not being able to take rejection.
Working in a hospitals ER I can tell you that some nurses are calm in this situation. Nothing phases them
I love nurses 😩
When she said she doesn’t have any friends it really hit home. I haven’t really had friends in years. I have coworkers and I have acquaintances. I am friendly with coworkers but guess what, they would 💯 forget me if I left. Has happened many times before. Acquaintances ask how your doing but truly could care less and are just being polite. I am around and talk to people all day long yet my life is truly very lonely.
I am the biggest Dr.Charles fan, but I didn't like how he treated Curry this episode :/ At the end of the episode, they paint it like the reason she yelled at the patient is that she was projecting her own loneliness onto him and not because the only thing he's talked about is killing her??
No he had to pull her up on her actions
She messed up the evaluation but also the guy won't shut up about wanting to kill her. She should've been taken off of the case so she wouldn't have to put up with his abusive language
@@graceswan4353 you obviously have never dealt with mental health patients
well she did tell the patient to kill himself... like yeah sure I get where she came from but she should just remove herself from the situation in that case
What he did was terrible but she was definitely out of line and needed to shut up and walk away from the room when he was clearly being like this. She should have had been taken off of the case as soon as she appeared to have an issue with this.
That ending got me, about made me cry. I had a similar experience where this guy would stalk me everywhere I go. It got so bad that I got the cops involved and now that creep is behind bars.
7:42 I don’t blame her for yelling at him and calling him disgusting
I agree
The seal of orichalcos has brainwashed him
She was totally unprofessional. Yes he was disgusting but as a medical professional she failed the test.
Ok its gross how the episode paints him as a victim of anything; he literally is saying he hates women!!! He is saying that he hates women!!!
So what?
This is the kind of episode that tells me I would never manage to work in healthcare since I don't think I would have it on me not to simply leave him under his car.
I wouldn't help a woman who's injured priod!
@@anderson-gb8rpyou must be popular…
@@anderson-gb8rp i would!😃
@@adaezez8378 And? Good for you
@@anderson-gb8rp exactly!
When I first saw this and Monique decided to work, I knew it was out of guilt. Then I was like it’s a matter of time before she finally hits that wall, im just glad they were there to let her know it wasn’t her fault
I mean I can understand what curry means here. Guys like him definitely get saved from going to prison because of (obviously not denying the important) psyche eval.
Yeah. I could totally see why she got mad at Dr. Charles. She felt like he was trying to rule the guy off as mentally unstable, therefore giving him pills, and then sending him out to attack another group of women. Not to mention Dr. Charles labeled him as lonely, and it came off like he wasn't at fault for his own actions. We know Charles would never do that (I think? He got shot once and defended the shooter sooo....), but it's hard not to feel for Curry, no matter how much I disagree with her.
Again I had to side with doctor Curry. Mental disease can be an explanation but never an excuse for criminal actions.
@@Dragonraiser11 Sorry, when did Charles say he wasn't at fault for his own actions? He was doing his usual thing of learning the patients language, and learning the things he could say to make him feel regret and cooperate.
I don't know why Curry would accuse him of essentially endorsing the patients actions, but it was a serious leap in logic
@@wessltov sorry about that, Dr. Charles never said he wasn't at fault for his actions 😅. I just made a comment about how Dr. Charles said it was an epidemic of loneliness, and I meant to relate it to Dr. Curry on how she could take it the wrong way. I should have explained my thoughts better.
I edited my first comment so It makes more sense.
@@Dragonraiser11 Thanks for explaining!
I didn't think that far beyond "That's not what he was literally saying, and he's doing his job".
I missed that epidemic usually refers to a large amount people suffering from a disease, while the people infected here are the disease :P
I suspect his best contraceptive is his personality.
As much as I felt Dr. Curry’s side in my soul, I can’t say that she did the right thing. Their job is to asses a patient’s mental state, not dish out judgement or justice…even if that’s what they deserve.
Diagnosing your patients isn't giving them excuses for their actions, it's doing your job.
@@randomperson748 exactly
@@aleviahwolfe totally agree but if Dr. Curry didn't get mad or pass judgment on him than it wouldn't be television. ;)
@@kimberly2980 if that isn’t the truth then nothing is
I agreed with what she was saying, but it was not the time nor the place to say those things. Diagnosing what's going on in the guys brain IS important for future cases, and should be looked into. Improving our knowledge of the human psyche could potentially save lives, after all. Her freaking out definitely messes with that end goal.
She shouldn't have been in that room to begin with. A level-headed woman who is fully willing to be there, that would be fine. But Dr. Curry is a very outspoken, emotionally driven woman. The decision to let her be in there was a stupid one.
I've met people that are borderline this bad- it's some of the most twisted perception that I still can't comprehend. You have to be a unique level of selfish to even get close to how some of these guys act and think. Everything belongs to them and they have the right to punish people because they are being denied what they have convinced themselves is owed to them by some blood right that has never existed.
Have you ever rejected a woman? Most of them react badly, even if 9 out of 10 men would say yes to them. Now imagine that 9 or 9.9 out of men would say no to them.
I knew someone like this, he was absolutely insane
After my fiancée ran off I was depressed and cried for a day or 2 but eventually i got over it and moved on. I’m lonely but i have a great family and friends to cheer me up. Some guys can handle being single and others like this guy go too far. Like that Elliot Roger guy who this clip reminds me of actually. He made videos of how good looking he was and how he had nice things and of how rich he was and he never had a girlfriend. In the end he died after shooting a sorority house. It’s awful when things like this happen.
Correction. Things like this don't "happen". They are done. A person makes a conscious decision to start killing.
@@ajvanmarle yes but there is always a driving force that makes people decide to do such things.
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Misogyny, in this case.
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 - The "driving force" is rampant misogyny which few want to look at.
@@elizabethjohnson8662 which comes from a mental health issue viewing the world in a different way to the way it is.
The fact that she still ran to check on him as a nurse/doctor after he tried to just end her.
This TV show is incredible. Even if you're not in the medical field, things are explained in a way a lay person can understand, and the story lines are gripping.
Yup
this show is beyond unrealistic. The way they display their personal beliefs which directly effects a patients care is unprofessional and beyond unrealistic. They would be fired asap or transferred to a different unit.
Better to be alone than in an abusive relationship
At least that relationship was good for a time being alone and rejected or played all the time is one of the hardest things ever but if you're being abused you have to tell someone
This clip really hits close to home, because this similar situation happened in Toronto in 2018 where an incel used a van to ram into 26 people, killing 16. It was one of the most horrific acts of domestic terrorism ever witnessed in Canadian history.
I feel awful for Monique. No one deserve to live with that fear that if they turn down a man, they would get shot!
It doesn’t matter how lonely a person is. If they get turned down shooting women in return is way to far. And any women who live with that fear I just feel awful for. They force them selves to go with what the man wants in the fear if they say otherwise they’ll get hurt. And that should never go through a woman’s head. EVER. I understand he’s 20+ and yet to have a partner but, that’s just to much
Kinda like how it's not fair that at any moment a woman can accuse you of r*pe and abuse huh 🤔
Heck, even famous people aren't immune
@@tafaragadze6432 Are you lonely sir??
This is reality though. Women are attacked if they reject a man. I remember a new article about a woman being pushed off a roof because she rejected a man. Instead of attacking the killer for his actions, almost everyone asked why the woman didn't say yes or why was she on the roof with the man, etc
Well I’m lonely, I relate to the guy
Bro sounds like he listens to Andrew Tate religiously
When I first saw people talking about "Tate", I thought it was that AHS' ghost boy, who murders a bunch of people and r***s his girlfriend's mom. At that time, people were shipping them like they were made for each other and as if he wasn't both a criminal and dead...
😭
Wait until you discover that incels hate andrew tate
@@renatosellitto7694 eh it's a recent phenomenon. Incels used to idolize him.
@@Souchi-ito so?
And guys wonder why women choose the bear...
You better
this makes me weep for humanity, true THIS is fiction, but sadly such delusional messed up people still exist in our world.
Apparently, someone in the comments pointed out that this specific case was based off of a real life scenario.
@@kindracorbridge6118 there are countless cases in real life, and if you go to Reddit, you will find speeches similar to the one given by this "character".
This is based off a real story sadly.
Based on a real life event
It's genuinely concerning that these people exist
love how the doctor would call it loneliness when it's just male entitlement. love how that man thinks a doctor or nurse has to just accept everything that's said to them. like, nah c'mon
Imagine if the shooter was female and that there is a group of women who think they are deserving of what they wanted. Would you still say thats female entitlement?
That just doesn't come from nowhere that's the whole point that they're trying to figure out and truthfully I already figured it out a long time ago our society is so f***** up in the head like take this for instance we both demonize and advertise sex on a daily basis when it's not needed it's part of life but the biggest thing that makes it not a right is because it deals with other people it's kind of a delicate situation it's built on trust but other than that it's just not necessary you have actual physical urges because your body is telling you that you need to mate to ensure that our species continues it doesn't know the difference of same-sex couples or anything of that nature but we do know this we're very aware of how instinctual at all is and some people like to use that as an excuse instead of just saying I'm above my instincts sorry for the random just saying our society is very inconsistent and contradictory and I guess that's because of all the individuals that are oppositions to each other rather than working together for a common goal that would help the new generation to not be what we are now very chaotic and we're very aware of it yet we decide not to do anything about it we want to point fingers at the opposition and tell them to fix it and it's like not wanting to do the dishes just because it was someone else's turn and they refuse to do it it's just going to keep piling up and I'm not saying nobody's not doing anything but there could be a lot more people doing something me personally I'm just trying to live my life and be a decent person to other people it's not hard at all
it starts out as loneliness then it progresses to something worse, Its paired with the entitlement, it would start out as some lowgrade entitlement and the loneliness adds onto that creating this "women big bad cause they are PROUD so we should ruin them!!!" mindset. Loneliness damages the mind and has only helped his character become worse.
It is loneliness. Dr Charles wasn’t wrong. It’s the entitlement that makes him dangerous that what separates the delusional and violent from normal lonely people.
"male entitlement" lol hilarious coming from a feminist
"I am a true alpha male"
Insert Jeremy Clarkson laugh here
Monique is very underrated and looked over in my opinion: I really love how sweet she is and how she's like the nurses' little sister.
Didn’t have a dad to set him straight. Didn’t have a mom to teach him how to interact with girls. Or just didn’t have adequate parents. That’s usually how this happens
The only thing that annoys me in this scene is when the nurses tell all those guys to leave the rest area where they were on their breaks.
Yeah, we get it, you’re upset. But don’t disrupt everyone else’s day over it.
“i don’t have have any friends” the look she got by the by the girl who took a bullet for her💀💀
It's not his body or looks thats the problem it's his personality that drives them away thinking he's all alpha when he's not.
Aww Monique it's not your fault not even a bit. Sometimes people just don't take no for answer. Just because you said no don't mean it's your problem it's theirs
I wish women would get the memo. Women react very badley, when rejected.
8:10 "Im doing the best that i can" No you just sabotaged his entire psych evaluation by instigating a response by your emotional response. You have just failed as a psychiatric eval practitioner
how many shootings/suicides have been in front of this hospital geez
Well it's expensive to shoot at other locations. So to save a bit of money you just do it in front of where you are already set up.
Hospitals in reality can be kind of a hotbed for that sort of thing. People tend to take their anger or sadness out in that general vicinity, not only because of their own emotions but also in some cases it gets them more attention
9:38 "I don't have any friends"
"Hey, don't say that, I'm your friend, I'd take a bullet for you! ... Another bullet."
*shoots herself*
I’m pretty sure in real life he’d be sent to a different hospital given the huge conflict of interest.
There's another episode I thought the same thing. A woman was manipulated into stabbing her neighbor but they ended up in the same hospital.
I remember being a car accident and I was taken to a different hospital from the guy that hit me for this exact reason
If it was life or death it would be at that hospital. Once stable Bye Bye
hes too normal looking to be sent to a psych ward
@@beganitdidnt6535 Its psych, which is brain, you can look "normal" but have intense mental issues. What does a suicidal person look like before they attempt?
I've been rejected and gone through breakups. Admittedly, it's made me a bit cynical and bitter.
I've never even considered doing something this vile because of it.
8:09 lady you need to respect this guy he’s a doctor to and nows more then you!
I m sorry, but i have to say this: *too *knows
@@Am-uj6qn ya auto correct dang thing
Modern women
6:49 The internet has ruined me because I thought he was gonna say "I am the true alpha gamer!"
Instead of trying to understand and improve themselves, they blame women for everything. Yeah Tate fans
I had the same thought
Real tate move to romania because london is a failed society
Exactly
Quite funny seen some of tates stuff fair bit I've seen is reasonable he just doesn't sugar coat his answers problem is people don't seem to have a spine anymore and behave in rational ways
@@simongraves8339 if you need a dude yelling into a camera to tell you what to feel/do, you don’t have a spine. that is not a rational decision.
How do you get shot, save lives, and still be expected to work? Not only that, but have to comfort the nurse that didn’t get shot, but feels “ guilty, ” making it about her?
I feel bad for the actor who had to say all those lines with a completely serious tone
I hope against reason he gets a little extra compensation for it
@@CaptainPrincess And therapy. That's gotta be rough.
Dr. Charles is right; the term “InCell“ was indeed, as he said, “coined by a woman who started a website for lonely people.“
It’s awful when something is started with good intentions (like giving people a space to be heard), but turns into something so toxic.
Honestly, I empathize with them to a limited extent. I know what it’s like to see people connecting, getting together or however you want to phrase it all around you and wondering when or if you’ll ever have that kind of intimate, meaningful connection with someone. I’ve been blind since birth, am a little bigger than I’d like to be lol, and have a hard time recognizing social cues/messages/signals, partly because so much of that is visual. So yeah I, from my perspective anyway, miss out on a lot. That’s as far as my empathy goes, though, because reacting violently or like someone is obligated to have sex with you, date you etc. is not the way to go about it. no one owes you anything.
And I’m sorry, but Elsa wasn’t helping the situation when she lashed out at Daniel even though, I’m sure, the majority of us agree with her opinion on him. You can think whatever you want but in this profession, you have to remain neutral. While I am of course aware that this is a TV show she would have, rightly, been fired and possibly even have her medical license revoked in reality, especially for her line telling him to kill himself.
there is always a pro or the hand
What?
Edit: I get what you were saying now; had to think about it for a minute lol.
I still think it was a mistake to have a female doctor in the room with *that* kind of patient... She tried to leave the case, more than once but wasn't allawed to.
That's on Charles.
@@MT3V Fair enough but again, in the medical field (be it on TV or in real life) if you’re going to be good and effective at your job, you need to be trained to deal with whoever happens to come through those doors regardless of your personal views.
As someone that was deeply into that mindset, I needed someone to tell me to my face what I was saying and doing was wrong. The only way out was through the consequences of my own actions making my loneliness WORSE. Name-calling and lashing out doesn’t work, it’s just viewed as more evidence for the conspiracy theories - especially when coming from the obsessed about sex. (Trying to keep things gender neutral, Femcels are a thing though not as widely talked about)
Consequences need to be firm, but delivery of them should be emotionally neutral. It’s a REALLY hard thing to do, because the natural response is to get angry. I don’t envy their jobs
Jesus, how much you want to bet this guy called himself a "nice guy" when he introduced himself?
Imagine being a misogynist, an attempted murderer and in that attempt the only life you took was yourself. I would be so embarrassed to die
i always feel like recurring actors in these shows (medical, law, police dramas) dont get enough recognition? they usually always do amazing work portraying criminals, victims, patients...
"When men refer to themselves as "alpha males" I hear that in the context of software, where alpha versions are unstable, missing important features, filled with flaws, and not fit for the public."
A real life version of this is Elliott Roger
An incel who went on a shooting spree because women wouldn't go out with him. His story is crazy
Elliot Rodger didn't seem like he even tried tho, he just expected a woman to pick him based on looks and possessions alone.
Men: "Just say no, it's not that hard."
Also men: attempts to unalive women due to rejection
Dr. Charles should've just called him a "cringe conformative beta male" and that would've shut him up real fast.
Step it down more, Omega male with mommy issues
I love when Maggie told all the male doctors to get out and they all immediately left. She’s such a queen and when she says something she says something she means business! I love her
Except if it was me trying to enjoy my lunch after a hard shift, I’d ignore her.
@@CactusCowboyDan Same
Why is being insufferable confused with strength when it comes to women?
@@seanmcglone1941 “insufferable” ?? She was doing her job
And that's why I could never join the medical field. That "do no harm" oath and having to treat EVERYONE thing...yeah no, I'm a firm believer in the opposite of those
9:01 guys like that would've become stalkers and rapids and murders even if you have coffee with him. Be safe to all the Men and women out there
None of it is ever your fault, you just saved your own life
Yep, I hate it when people are rapids
They really made misogyny into a "loneliness" issue, that is similar to making racism into a "insecurity" issue.
Not sure how to tell you this but most assholes are acting the way they do because of their own insecurities. Loneliness is also the cause of most bullies. Humans are social creatures by default, and loneliness literally drives people to insanity.
I'm a shlubby nerd who prefers solitude a lot of the time. I am not great at noticing the needs of another person and I'm even worse at doing anything to try and help them.
That is why I am single, and I'm much happier because I have come to terms with it.
FYI, the doctor treating him would not be allowed to. Conflict of interest since this guy just shot the girl the doctor is dating. Proper care and judgement would be skewed so they would have assigned another doctor to treat the patient for this reason.
I don't think this borderline HR presentation/propaganda piece is interested in being realistic.
The bastardized Reddit English is a nice touch lol
When it comes to a misogynist, it's not about sex. It's about male superiority. Sex plays a role in it when they feel inferior due to lack of performance or size when that plays a part in being rejected by a woman but it is not just about the sex. Ultimately a man needs to be superior and women inferior and when a woman threats that, then they become this. Disgusting.
Women don't threaten that,men ARE superior in all aspects. Can you name ONE thing we're not better at other than giving birth?
@@IkesPimpHand man sthu, realistically, anything a man can do, there is some woman somewhere that can do exactly what you guys do. Don't start screaming "it's not all men" but when you speak about women, you speak as of we are one being.
@@bluetheangelofdeath wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING we can't do better than women other than playing the victim and giving birth. Absolutely NOTHING we're not way,WAY better at. Even feminine activities like cooking, the best are always men.
@@bluetheangelofdeath realistically, we're better at everything than women 🤷♂️ i think when you said "realistically" you meant as in movies and tv shows? Because let's be honest, we're not even close to comparable.
Alright, let's see a female "realistically" do a 1105 pound deadlift like a man, hon 🤣🤣
Ooh don't forget, that it takes women way longer to gain the amount of muscle that you do, meaning, they most likely have lifted longer, and heavier than you.
When it comes to men there is a line between feeling lonely and feeling entitled. Its normal to feel a little sad and angry when you're rejected but remember no matter what you have to offer, no matter how rich or good looking. You're not entitled to anyone.
Sadly a lot of men are slowly transforming into these, as there are almost no outlets to help men to deal with these kinds of emotions. As a result; the sadness leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hatred leads to suffering. I myself have been rejected numerous times and I can admit there have been times when I felt angry especially when it feels like no matter what you try nothing works, its a serious blow to a man's pride. Of course I would never dream of hurting women so instead I try to channel my feelings into other activities.
The term "Alpha male" is cringe. Being a man isn't about having this lifestyle where your at the peak of your life and have women fawn over you or something like that. Being a man is about being compassionate to all those around you, being strong in body, mind and soul. It's about raising people up helping them teaching comforting them even loving them.
Naruto is clever man now fr
The thing about this episode is that it’s actually based on a true story.
While I dont think her being confrontational in the room with the patient was the best, I can understand being made to research and look at all of his online postings would make anyone angry. Let alone a woman. While yes research is nessesary, he should be mindful that he just made someone who this man WANTS to be a victim, look at all his hateful views online and then have her have to stand there and not say anything. Its pretty dumb and he should have had an impartial party do it, not someone who would feel vunerable by him.
It was her job
Although he could have easily used that to build trust making him more willing to talk