Why Nick is Misunderstood in The Walking Dead

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  • @cinderella0contrella
    @cinderella0contrella Місяць тому +345

    I always hated Nick's death it was so out of the blue and just like welp hes dead anyways he deserved so much more it felt like everything they built up with his character got tossed out the window

    • @exodustimes4266
      @exodustimes4266 Місяць тому +47

      Episode 4 sucked in general, Nick and Sarah was so anticlimactic

    • @blitzus5022
      @blitzus5022 Місяць тому +31

      I feel like they do this to everyone this season

    • @karmitdafruge1
      @karmitdafruge1 Місяць тому +36

      Season 2 really dropped the ball with the deaths. They came so randomly and with no buildup

    • @cinderella0contrella
      @cinderella0contrella Місяць тому +13

      @@karmitdafruge1 I feel like it was to show how desensitized Clem became to death but when your introducing characters left and right who's only purpose is to die it gets old

    • @karmitdafruge1
      @karmitdafruge1 Місяць тому +21

      @@cinderella0contrella i could see that being a reason but honestly they really killed off their best characters too early
      Pete, luke, Omid, Christa and honestly even lee.. probably should've kept Molly around for a bit too but atleast her leaving made sense in character.

  • @samuelburks
    @samuelburks Місяць тому +181

    i loved nick because i picked to go with him whenever pete got bit so i always had a soft spot for him and the whiskey he shared with me

  • @hadoukenfighter
    @hadoukenfighter Місяць тому +99

    I loved Nick as a character and was sad that he was wasted before he got to have a big moment.

    • @FishesFlyTillTheWorldDies
      @FishesFlyTillTheWorldDies Місяць тому +2

      His big moment was shooting dude off of the bridge lol

    • @ChainsawingAMan
      @ChainsawingAMan Місяць тому +3

      Not really he didn't have any redemption or many good moments :'))​@@FishesFlyTillTheWorldDies

  • @freezasama5802
    @freezasama5802 Місяць тому +153

    Funfact Nick was supposed to have a bigger part in the story with the gang but it was scrapped leading to him being a nothing character that you save him countless times and he dies regardless. It's frustrating they do these changes cause it changes the entire story it's the same when they changed Joanne in season 3 being Eleanors lost mother in the apocalypse to just someone she agrees with, all these removed scenes and context damages the story and leads to a character that is stunted has no potential since he dies regardless the outcome and it's unlike Ben because at least Ben stood up to Kenny and made everyone aware of his POV however Nick did nothing and died being forgotten.

    • @scarleyscattering
      @scarleyscattering Місяць тому +36

      omg wait what?? now it makes sense why eleanor betrayed us, i absolutely couldn't forgive her at all and it made no sense to me but with this context it feels totally different

    • @freezasama5802
      @freezasama5802 Місяць тому +24

      @@scarleyscattering yup it's why they look similar she's her mother and it explains why she betrayed us soo easily cause of course she would anyone would it's her mother but they cut the context out making it seem out of no where and it made no sense making the season weaker

    • @deiov
      @deiov Місяць тому +13

      @@freezasama5802 yeah, and honestly if u read into telltales failing, it was due to a certain executive pushing time crunches and last minute changes

    • @freezasama5802
      @freezasama5802 Місяць тому +12

      @@deiov such a shame cause the seasons could have been as good as season 1

  • @brandellsarver9365
    @brandellsarver9365 Місяць тому +187

    I consider Nick to be the biggest wasted opportunity in the Telltale side of The Walking Dead Franchise. Nick had potential to be a better character than Ben but he was a victim of the Season 2 rewrites. He is a great character in the first two episodes, he was flawed but he was still a genuinely good person with some issues.
    This has been said by a few people but Nick should’ve taken Mike’s role in the story, and he should’ve died at the Russian shoot out in episode 4. It would’ve been a good conclusion to his arc and it would shown that Nick could change.

    • @freezasama5802
      @freezasama5802 Місяць тому +8

      They scrapped his initial story it's super frustrating cause all that potential was wasted after they did this

    • @exodustimes4266
      @exodustimes4266 Місяць тому

      @@freezasama5802 what was his original story?

    • @freezasama5802
      @freezasama5802 Місяць тому +4

      @@exodustimes4266 he was going to stick with Luke till the end and he would have had a big moment

    • @neit_spade8090
      @neit_spade8090 Місяць тому +3

      Why they had to change it??? That would be so much fitting for Nick and a lot better

    • @Incubiiii
      @Incubiiii 28 днів тому

      Agreed, and I think the biggest wasted potential goes to Carly.

  • @PramkLuna
    @PramkLuna Місяць тому +51

    Nick is the Ben of s2, but at least you had some say in how Ben dies. Nick is just killed off screen and no real growth after. After Pete is gone it's just downhill.

  • @FatGuyEngineer
    @FatGuyEngineer Місяць тому +46

    I view Nick as wasted potential. He was a relatively important character up until the end of episode 2. He was practically non exsistant in episode 3 and then died off screen in episode 4 after being shown getting shot in the shoulder while leaving howles. Such a shame as I really enjoyed him and Luke's dynamic.

    • @freezasama5802
      @freezasama5802 Місяць тому +3

      He initially had more development but they scrapped it leading to him being wasted what a shame

    • @cogbait
      @cogbait 24 дні тому +1

      Part of why he does nothing in ep 3 and 4 is likely due to the fact that you can get him killed in ep 2 which is a terrible consequence of poor planning

    • @Amelia---a66
      @Amelia---a66 21 день тому +2

      Fr they did half of the characters like this rushed em off I hate telltale games for doing that we meet a character he dies the sec third episode in the lamest way possible im mad as fuck they even scripted clem to get bitten and get her leg chopped off like why tf and we have a Louis w no tongue nah fr this game made me depressed asf I was waiting for nicks big moment where he'll do something to save the group but no they killed him

  • @JJJ44481
    @JJJ44481 Місяць тому +57

    These videos couldn’t have been made at a better time, I’m playing through the game for the first time (about to start season 2 episode 5)

    • @neutraltim9418
      @neutraltim9418 Місяць тому

      nice man, what're your thoughts on the game so far? what major choices have you made?

    • @JJJ44481
      @JJJ44481 Місяць тому +3

      @@neutraltim9418 I really like it, definitely my favorite telltale game. One of the tough decisions for me was deciding to stay at wellington or go with Kenny. I decided to go with Kenny because it’s what’s best for Clem and AJ.

  • @Badluckcharm03
    @Badluckcharm03 Місяць тому +15

    I think another reason why I like Nick so much is that I can relate to him more than anybody else in the telltales walking dead series. Only wish Telltale didn’t screw with him by the way they killed him off in episode 4, especially when they make it seem like he was almost non existent in episode 3

    • @Amelia---a66
      @Amelia---a66 21 день тому +3

      they did this shi to everyone person in this game I loved Luke tf they made him drown and we can't save him like why tf

  • @chatpimuksuntiwong2121
    @chatpimuksuntiwong2121 Місяць тому +30

    If Lenny had made these videos at the time these games were just released😭 keep it up bro, love your videos so far

  • @makeda6530
    @makeda6530 29 днів тому +20

    I always felt bad for Nick, it’s like a self fulfilling prophecy, everyone tells him he’s trash and an f up, then it plays out. He deserved better.

  • @hinata1ize
    @hinata1ize Місяць тому +31

    The greatest sin a fictional character can make is being annoying. Nick is annoying to most players, so most don't bother to understand him. Same thing happens with Rebecca and Sarah. Happens to Jane to a lesser extent. Happened with David and Gabe. I don't recall it happening in season 4, but maybe I just don't interact enough with fandom to know. I don't hate all of the characters I named, but I don't think understanding them will change most people's opinions about them bc they've been placed in the annoying category. You can argue that these characters are misunderstood, and you're gonna be right most of the time. But, since they've been labeled annoying, they will likely stay in TellTale Fandom Purgatory
    If anyone is wondering, I actually like Jane and David. Neutral to Rebecca and Nick. Irked by Sarah. HATE Gabe.

    • @SquidwardQ.Tentacles899
      @SquidwardQ.Tentacles899 Місяць тому +11

      Sarah is just neurodivergent, if anything, Carlos is to blame for sheltering her

    • @hinata1ize
      @hinata1ize Місяць тому +4

      ​​@@SquidwardQ.Tentacles899
      As someone who is neurodivergent, I would like to let you know that we can still be annoying, especially from a storytelling perspective. Most people acknowledge it's Carlos's fault. That doesnt make Sarah any more tolerable in a survival situation. Especially since many players miss that she's likely neurodivergent, and simply think it's only due to her being sheltered. That leads them to compare her to Clementine, which just makes her worse to them.
      Edit: For me, I just don't like how she makes things harder for Clementine. Other than Luke, Jane, and Pete, I wasn't clicking with the new characters.

    • @SquidwardQ.Tentacles899
      @SquidwardQ.Tentacles899 Місяць тому +1

      @hinata1ize I know, but I'm just saying, it isn't really her fault.

    • @clementinemarsh476
      @clementinemarsh476 28 днів тому +1

      don’t forget duck!

    • @clementinemarsh476
      @clementinemarsh476 28 днів тому +2

      who was a literal child

  • @jameer7565
    @jameer7565 Місяць тому +9

    I think you should talk about how endearing of a character Luke was. Besides for Lee, I don't know anyone else in the entire story that gives such a safe vibe.

  • @Xxdominater
    @Xxdominater Місяць тому +18

    Nick had an arc and it got dropped out of nowhere.

  • @juanmatemos5695
    @juanmatemos5695 26 днів тому +8

    I would love to know Nick's story, ONLY if you choose the nice path with him. If you are kind to him you get to know about
    *The mother incident
    *Him being the shooter
    *His bad father
    *His story with Luke
    Like, you have to EARN that info

  • @sycaccino8533
    @sycaccino8533 Місяць тому +8

    I think in e4 clem and jane should have found him at the same place but instead he's alive but also bit. He comes with you to meet luke and sarah and if you fail to make sarah leave nick will convince her and push her up to the roof, sacrificing himself, completing his arc. He should also give Luke his hat to wear for the rest of the game. That would have been perfect.

  • @peanutbutterpops6108
    @peanutbutterpops6108 Місяць тому +23

    If Lenny don't kiss me I will unsubscribe and uninstall this app

  • @playahsan
    @playahsan Місяць тому +4

    I played these games way back in the day and until I saw a video retrospective on these games, I totally forgot that he was even a character. And I am not the only one. That should speak how memorable he was.

  • @thequeenofnightmares1147
    @thequeenofnightmares1147 18 днів тому +4

    The only logical explanation to how Nick died in my opinion was accidental infection. So when they’re escaping Howes, if Nick is still alive and didn’t die at the ski lodge, he is chasing after Sarah behind Luke when he gets shot in the shoulder. And in a moment of instinct, he immediately covers the wound with his hand. The very same hand that had just been smearing walker guts over his body. So I believe the walker blood got into his system that way and he decided to try and find the others for Luke and Sarah when he eventually succumbed to the infection. Though I do feel like it was a waste of a character that didn’t get much chance to grow and felt like had to be offed on a whim 😔

    • @AKFieldsTV
      @AKFieldsTV 7 днів тому

      That's super logical, never thought about it like that

  • @silentecho92able
    @silentecho92able Місяць тому +7

    The second the Dialog to decides Nick fate was introduced in episode 2 like Alvin's. I was like my god this guy is gonna be legit AFK moving forward is he. Cause there was not point in keeping him alive like Sarah, Alvin, or Bonnie.

    • @Incubiiii
      @Incubiiii 28 днів тому +3

      Yeah sadly it sucks that even tho these are great games, you KNOW your choices don't matter when it comes to picking who to save between two characters. Because either they will be AFK the rest of the game and make it (Which honestly isn't that bad) or they will be AFK the rest of the game until they just die.
      I feel like Carly is both the best and worst of this. She's an amazing character who doesn't stay passive after you save her, actively helping the group and doing some great things, but she still suffers from that exact same thing, being killed and having her potential being wasted.

  • @crodyom99
    @crodyom99 Місяць тому +4

    TWD is one of the best games I ever played, but I forgot some characters such as Nick.
    I played this game 5-6 years ago.
    Time flies....

  • @JamesCourse66
    @JamesCourse66 21 день тому +3

    Quick note: the reason Nick is so angered by Pete chastising him for not taking a shot is because he much later had to “take the shot” on his own turning mother. It’s likely Uncle Pete demanded he take the shot even when he didn’t want to, thus it is reasonable Pete making a joke of his cowardice in his childhood also triggers the memory of killing his mom.

  • @nickalvarez8716
    @nickalvarez8716 Місяць тому +3

    My favorite character in the entire game who I felt got way too much unnecessary hate. I never understood it 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @sehvlo0254
    @sehvlo0254 Місяць тому +2

    Playing this for the very first time back in like 2014. Around then, I looked at Nick thought he looked alot like Kenny. Weird mullet style hair, trucker hat. Perfect. But yea Nick deserved more development. Shame. I'm enjoying all these character breakdowns!

  • @patrickmarzo2419
    @patrickmarzo2419 Місяць тому +1

    I hope you do a video on Luke next, he was my favorite character in the season 2 group

  • @dmclegg66
    @dmclegg66 28 днів тому +1

    Trust me having a dad around doesn't solve those problems dad was always around but as #7 I was basically ignored he even refused to teach me to drive even though I was in the car when he show Mr brother how.

  • @Sg190th
    @Sg190th Місяць тому +4

    I wouldn't say misunderstood. I'll admit he should have been given better writing but I honestly gave up on him for what he did to Matthew.

  • @AM_13-1
    @AM_13-1 26 днів тому +3

    TellTale is really good at creating great characters, but not knowing wtf to do with them. After Marianna, Nick is my most disappointed great potential character they wasted.

    • @maelysd.7101
      @maelysd.7101 14 днів тому

      Same. I wish Clem could've gone to end of the games with them. Add Sarah and you have my three favourite characters that could have grown so much.

  • @angelikatarantella3877
    @angelikatarantella3877 24 дні тому +1

    Nick and Ben are made out of the same flour. I always enjoyed them both, my two fav flawed boys

  • @MichelangeloGamerson
    @MichelangeloGamerson Місяць тому +4

    I actually kind of liked nick, his death felt so lazy and random.

  • @dorian.badillac
    @dorian.badillac 22 дні тому +2

    Unpopular opinion maybe but Nick was one of my favorite characters. The thing is, you really have to try know him to see other aspects of his personality aside of being a screw up lol, but when you do it he's a really cool guy.
    I'm so mad that he died offscreen after saving him so many times

  • @qBeYcarpet
    @qBeYcarpet 8 днів тому

    "luke, he's becoming a danger to the group"

  • @mariogalaxy8656
    @mariogalaxy8656 Місяць тому +5

    dude i always thought nick was a good character

  • @BLIND_BEAR
    @BLIND_BEAR Місяць тому +2

    I forgot the specific scene/dialogue but there ISSSS a small explanation IN GAME to Nick’s death that he went to go look for help for the others

    • @RedLemonCola
      @RedLemonCola Місяць тому +1

      Luke said “he made a run for it, looking for help.”

  • @ImThatJackAttack
    @ImThatJackAttack Місяць тому +4

    Yo LeNNY, can you make a video essay on Kate from S3? I think she's kinda underrated

  • @Amelia---a66
    @Amelia---a66 21 день тому +1

    People hating on nick like they wont act the same in this situation we aint gon be lee nor kenny me personally I'd be shitting my pants hiding

  • @swampwench
    @swampwench Місяць тому +1

    I truly wish season 2 had the opportunity to be more organized and properly expanded on. It makes me sad it wasn't because there are really nice moments with carvers ex group that I wish there were more time given to them/ expanded upon. I dont care about you carlos you can stay as you are.

    • @maelysd.7101
      @maelysd.7101 14 днів тому

      Same here. Season 2 had so much potential for story and character development, it's a bit frustrating to see what we got in the end.

  • @ladrondeoxigeno6549
    @ladrondeoxigeno6549 Місяць тому +2

    He was a good guy, sadly he never become relevant after first 2 episodes

  • @survivalanimations
    @survivalanimations 16 днів тому +1

    Wish nick and Sarah made it out together to have an unknown fate.

    • @maelysd.7101
      @maelysd.7101 14 днів тому

      I absolutely agree. They both could've grown so much together. Better to have an unknown fate than a frustrating, perfunctory death.

  • @xaiver7769
    @xaiver7769 15 днів тому

    Nick's character is one of if not the greatest fumbles of season 2 (and there are a lot of fumbles in season 2!) Before he can truly reconcile and seek forgiveness from Walter, Walter is killed off which could've weighed even more on Nick as he could've felt Walter's death was his fault or the fault of the group as a whole for leading Carver there. From there he's barely relegated to being a background character to where he's unceremoniously killed off in episode 3 leaving a bunch loose ends for his character.

  • @Eclipses915
    @Eclipses915 Місяць тому +1

    I think it should’ve better if Nick lasted till episode 5 during the shoot out because we’d see him possibly be grown up like instead of not speaking and turning into a walker

    • @maelysd.7101
      @maelysd.7101 14 днів тому

      Yes 🙌 Nick deserved to stay until the end. If it had come to choosing, I would have picked him.

  • @Eclipses915
    @Eclipses915 Місяць тому +1

    I actually liked Nick I felt bad for him a bit but i hate how they treated his character after he was Determined barely appeared the episode after and didn’t even speak he’s final episode

  • @juanmatemos5695
    @juanmatemos5695 26 днів тому +1

    He was too old to has that temper

  • @starlaixystar
    @starlaixystar 21 день тому

    It's actually interesting that Kenny and Nick are similar to each other but for the most time they hated each other.

  • @dmclegg66
    @dmclegg66 28 днів тому

    I never went with nick I don't hate the guy and I always talk Walter into forgiving him but the way they killed him off was crap.

  • @deiov
    @deiov Місяць тому

    i really never liked nick (still like him more than ben) but still was just dissapointed that he never got a redemption arc. at least i can choose to leave ben to die, nick just doesn't have that and his mother getting killed is just never brought up again.
    pete's death is actually pretty strong and i prefered him

  • @MistahJay7
    @MistahJay7 Місяць тому

    Season 2 feels like two different games between episodes 1-3 and 4-5

  • @watchulookinat271
    @watchulookinat271 16 днів тому

    Nick had to be taken out cause of Kenny. If Nick stayed with Kenny around, it could get ugly real quick cause these two go boil headed real quick

  • @TheGoobster64
    @TheGoobster64 Місяць тому

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS NICK VIDEO IM SO HAPY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Manofspeed448
    @Manofspeed448 Місяць тому

    Unrelated but is gleen going to the s1 twd cast after he left in tattletales s1 or opposite?

  • @OMSOFFICIALS
    @OMSOFFICIALS Місяць тому +1

    IDk if this is good writing of just shock value but I'm just not a fan of Telltale's formula of giving you a character that has the most potential for growth just kill them off and now being stuck with leftovers that no one care about. Looking at you SARAH!! MIKE!! and BONNIE!!

    • @maelysd.7101
      @maelysd.7101 14 днів тому

      You're absolutely right and you should say it. Nick and Sarah were favourite characters in part for their potential for growth, but I'm still so disappointed in how dirty they were treated.

  • @NaturedSwisha
    @NaturedSwisha Місяць тому +1

    He wasn’t misunderstood, It was just that no one cared to listen and observe #Im14AndthisisSodeepthatitisemotionallymakingmecry

  • @Amelia---a66
    @Amelia---a66 21 день тому +1

    Imma be real im still pissed off how they killed many of the characters in a idk even how to describe it in the worst way possible it was fucking lame they rushed everything

    • @maelysd.7101
      @maelysd.7101 14 днів тому +1

      You're right, "the worst way possible" is absolutely how badly most characters were treated this season. See this interesting character? Too bad, not only we'll kill them, but we'll do it in the most pointless way possible!

  • @darkbalanceproductions
    @darkbalanceproductions 20 днів тому

    Listen people hate on nick for wanting to shoot her but like what would you do , you don't know if it's a walker bite or not, and little girl or not if it is a walker bite in a few hours she bits you and with the previous experience of his mother it makes sense

  • @CoolausdtinDT
    @CoolausdtinDT Місяць тому

    Honestly Nick is part of one of the biggest flaws of Season 2 and it's not really his fault, it's an issue with all the characters who never give us time to really talk with them as much as Season 1 did. Even when tensions were high, you always had downtime to talk with people whether you're learning about them or getting their perspective of the current situation. Not really the case here, even the times you do get to talk to people you rarely get to talk about more than one topic.

  • @Icy-be5vl
    @Icy-be5vl Місяць тому +1

    I hope that you are not Life is Strange fan.

  • @spencerbowden2979
    @spencerbowden2979 8 днів тому

    Season 2 is the worst season because of how dirty it did all of its characters on top of how the story is just all over the place.
    The wasted potential of its determinant characters is only one of the small reasons why this season was bad.
    But on top of that they were building up so many things both with the story and with the 400 days dlc only to toss all of those things out except Bonnie and past episode 3 even she plays no big role in the events.
    But what I can’t forgive is the mere existence of Reggie, Jane, Mike and the Russians.
    The community has so much hate for these characters because there is very little incentive to care about these characters despite the actions they commit.
    And the sad part is it didn’t have to be this way.
    There were so many already established characters they could’ve used but just didn’t.
    Replace Jane with Shel
    Replace Mike with Russel
    Replace Reggie with Vince
    Replace Arvo with Eddie
    You are given much more incentive to care about the characters because you know their story’s.
    But they just created all of these characters at the last minute and it’s like “here you go love them”

  • @seriousdraw
    @seriousdraw Місяць тому

    He's worse than Ben and I didn't even get a payoff for keeping him alive.
    Kind of like Sarah.

  • @thetrapmaster
    @thetrapmaster Місяць тому

    Can you do Gabe in season 3 next? In my eyes he is annoying or am I wrong and don't understand him

  • @SoldierSpiderx
    @SoldierSpiderx 12 днів тому

    I remember play this game and Nick start grown on me, he start being a dick and slowly you he let his guard down and you help build him up and then out of nowhere they just kill him off-screen that why I hate Telltales, they would kill off character for no reason

  • @spinalwolf4828
    @spinalwolf4828 13 днів тому

    The death of Nick was so fucked up

  • @brianachim2670
    @brianachim2670 Місяць тому

    The only Nick I didn’t like 💀

  • @xxtypicalonexx8879
    @xxtypicalonexx8879 Місяць тому +1

  • @MadMaxineC
    @MadMaxineC Місяць тому

    who?

    • @KNoxTratZ
      @KNoxTratZ 24 дні тому

      your pfp looks like ben from the walking dead if he was a girl

  • @africangoku1152
    @africangoku1152 Місяць тому +6

    0:40 what did you say??? 🤨

    • @jujuthethird4602
      @jujuthethird4602 Місяць тому +9

      It doesn't even sound like the n word😭

    • @FemiurgeDestroyer2
      @FemiurgeDestroyer2 27 днів тому

      You call yourself, others can call you that too, get used to that, snowflake.

    • @Angel-eg4ed
      @Angel-eg4ed 27 днів тому

      @@jujuthethird4602seriously how the fuck do you hear the n word from “Nick at first”???

    • @jujuthethird4602
      @jujuthethird4602 27 днів тому

      @@Angel-eg4ed ask the guy I'm replying to😭

    • @esothetics
      @esothetics 26 днів тому +1

      cry.

  • @Leland_Black
    @Leland_Black Місяць тому +2

    First

  • @Lilothestitch24
    @Lilothestitch24 Місяць тому +1

    Nick is one of my least favorites characters. Always hated him.

  • @JelloLol-v5o
    @JelloLol-v5o Місяць тому

    Bro almost shoot clem that can never be forgotten and he's a idiot

  • @ryszakowy
    @ryszakowy Місяць тому

    please tell me how misunderstood nick is when he actively shoots the guy luke and clementine were just talking with
    oh and after confrontation where he can be forgiven or killed he bas no narrative goal so next time you see him he's a walker

    • @RedLemonCola
      @RedLemonCola Місяць тому +5

      He literally tells you in the video.

  • @АнатолийЧерномашенцев-р1н

    He was stupis, but also sad and very depressed. Killing his own mother, and losing his uncle, his only family, that got left. So, i can agree about, going some new place and everybody will die. Death is unexpectical, and it s scares him.

  • @kingJr1229
    @kingJr1229 Місяць тому

    I wouldn't say misunderstood an idiot for sure

  • @shyvanadragongape3821
    @shyvanadragongape3821 20 днів тому

    This season was just bad. Thats why all the characters sucks …