You guys literally say the same tired thing over and over and over again about Carlos. Carlos heavily implied he’d smack the shit out of Clementine if she was his daughter over a remark. He clearly had his reasons behind why he was overly careful with her but everyone chooses to deny it.
Yes and his reasons got his daughter killed and had clementine been his daughter she be dead to just like Sarah his style of parenting would've been ok in a non apocalyptic setting but that's not the case here Carlos as unintentional as it was killed his daughter by not preparing her for the real world
@@drock2coolz820 Carlos crossed his arms when he replied to Clementine’s remark like he wanted to smack her across the face. Don’t forget, it was Carlos’s idea to lock Clementine in the shed. Sarah was autistic, that’s why he coddled her.
@@PoProstuBoniaczOkay, but an actual *"doctor"* should've been able to tell. Dogs have a different jaw shape, amount of teeth, etc. And all their teeth are canines, whereas a human only has 4 canine teeth. The rest are molars, or the flat ones in the front.
@@PoProstuBoniaczat a glance maybe but they’re fundamentally different given the mouth shape and more importantly the fact every tooth in a dogs mouth is canine.
Sarah gave me 'sheltered austistic child' vibes. It's very similar to my cousin. Because of his diagnosis, his parents sheltered him most of his child and teenage years. He's an adult now with his first job, but it's clear he still relies on his parents and is very naive to the world. Sarah is a big reflection when I played this game. It's Carlos who did wrong by his daughter in views of keeping her safe..
I’m autistic and I rely on my parents for care and support and it’s not inherently a bad thing. I’m disabled I literally need help and have support needs.
@SparklingGlitterCookie I am too. It's called a spectrum for a reason. I don't rely on my parents to get by on a basic day by day lifestyle. Everyone's different. I don't blame my cousin for being who he is, but I imagine who he could have been I'd his parents didn't treat him like he was 5 by the time he was 17. He can do basics. He can drive now, but his parents still see him as a little boy rather than an adult in his 20s.
I weep for the dynamic duo that Clem and Sarah could have been. Can you imagine how badass it would be to see Sarah go from the sheltered, fearful kid to a bonafide survivor that watches Clementines back when shit gets rough. We could have had two girl, back to back, leaning on one another in the hard times. That shit could have been a story for the ages. 😔
It could've been a Carol situation which I would be so down for- even if Sarah had to inevitably die like everyone else had to for stupid reasons, it would've been nice to see...even for a while. Would've made her death after her turn-around hit harder since she would probably be one of the only people looking out for Clem aside from Luke who would've died.
The truth is, Clem started off very scared too, she didn't just start out tough, she developed survival skills overtime. Sarah had just lost her dad and went into shock, but to be honest it was wrong of the dad not to show the realities and sheltering her from the way things were. That was his grief though of wanting to hold onto normalcy, but it also got his daughter killed later.
Honestly I never saw that happening. Even if Carlos didn’t shelter her, I don’t see her being capable of being a “badass.” The only little girl I can see being a badass along with Clem is Marianna.
Carlos is a selfish person, he sheltered and treated Sarah like a little girl because it's "all he has left", like, it's clearly an emotional/coping thing for him. Carlos never treated her like a person, he talks about her like she's some kind of pet that requires special treatment. He doesn't let her have fun, or go outside, or be part of conversations, or make her own decisions. Nothing. She's HIS little girl and that's it, that's all that matters to him. That's all Sarah is allowed to be. He doesn't even THINK about her future-- You keep Sarah sheltered and then what, Carlos? does she even know how to fish or hunt? I can't be mad at Sarah because of course she believes he has good intentions and would never hurt her. Of course she trusts her dad, why wouldn't she?? She can't see how Carlos INTENTIONALLY *prevents her* from growing up, simply to satisfy HIS own anxiety and emotional needs. It's literally not her fault, she ACTUALLY wanted to learn and grow. Don't even get me started on the cabin group because how can you see this toxic shit and not TRY to do something, even if you have to do it secretly? idgaf if Carlos gets mad, do it anyways. it's been i dont know how many years and i'm still sad about this, maybe it's because how often people blame Sarah for shit that isn't even her fault, instead of blaming the adults around her, who could've done something. Or maybe they did try and never showed it? idk but i wish they had.
Completely agree. What makes it worse is that if you're patient with her she shows important signs of growth and maturity. She definitely could've grown out of that learned helplessness if they hadn't decided that she HAD to die in episode 4.
Carlos is my most hated character in the entire game it's hilarious how a convicted killer was a better father figure for 3 months then carlos was for his daughters whole life
Tbf Lee was also shaping up to go down the exact same path carlos did until the homeless guy called him out on it and said if he continued coddling/sheltering clem she would die
@@JohnWall-lj1mxit should be said that Clem was 8 in season 1 and Sarah was fucking 15 damn near an adult…. lee coddling Clem when she was basically still a baby is NOWHERE NEAR what Carlos did to that girl who was almost an adult
@@JohnWall-lj1mx Lee was hesitant to do so because Clementine was only less then 10 years old like the other comment says Clementine should not have to hold the weight of a gun at that age she was. Plus this was only 3 months into the apocalypse carlos should of known better season 2 is already years into the apocalypse so carlos knows that the day had to come where Sarah needed training for what may happen to him In the future
I actually felt bad for Sarah. When Jane suggested Clem leave her in that trailer I was appalled. The girl had lost her father. She was breaking down and the idea of leaving her to die in that trailer was one that I wouldn’t do even if I found her annoying at times. It’s a shame she ended up dying anyways, but she had potential. If only she had not been so sheltered.
Agreed. I think if Carlos and been upfront with her she might have stood a chance. Especially with him being a doctor he could have passed that knowledge onto her. Wasted potential for sure.
Her death after the trailer infuriates me because if it was at the trailer, so be it, but the fact that you can succeed, see her change only for her to die in a completely unrelated moment grinds my gears.
@@lifeisadrag7705She actually doesnt change, it just gets worse. If you look for her and talk to her before Rebecca gives birth, she says they must wait for her dad to get back and then go back at the cabin, cause its safe.
I remember how sad I felt when I first seen Sarah die at the observation deck. Just seeing how helpless she is and her last breath is just calling out for her dad to help her... it still gives me chills. Screw Carlos for failing her AND Jane for pretty much just letting her die.
Exactly. Cant expect her to just snap out of what happened to Carlos and become a zombie slaying survivor. She clearly had disorders. Its impressive how Carlos managed to sensor the world around her considering the circumstances
She COULD have been taught is the thing. Just like Clem was even though she didn’t really want to learn, Chuck, and afterwards Lee, knew there was no choice regardless of what any of them wanted. Carlos could have 100% taught Sarah at least the basics of surviving but he doesn’t because she’s “all he has left.” Sarah was treated like an object by Carlos for a selfish reason. She’s his only daughter so it’s an understandably selfish reason, but the apocalypse wasn’t going to go easy due to that. He coddles and shelters her in a world where he should know full well that’s going to end everything.
For me she was really similar to Ben, but this time it wasn't because Sarah hadn't been in the apocalypse for long, but instead Carlos for whatever reason hid her from it entirely.
That is why she died, she wasn't prepared for anything because Carlos wanted Sarah to stay oblivious to the world. She didn't even know how to defend herself!
Sarah, Clem, and AJ represent the spectrum of teaching children how to grow up in the new walker infested world, with Clementine being close to the center. From natured to hardship.
I didn't even realise people disliked Sarah when she was probably the most real character of the season. Like, what's a mollycoddled girl who's clearly got some form of disorder supposed to do in a zombie apocalypse, become Daryl in the space of an hour? She's lost, confused, sweet and too pure for a world like the Walking Dead. It broke my heart that no matter what you do, she couldn't be saved, but honestly her dying is probably best for her in the long run. Just wish she could have gone out more peacefully.
I think that we assumed if zombies existed, then we have no time for feelings. Get out of the danger and then feel. Before this video in the moments when she almost died and later did die I was like "GURL MOVE WE AINT GOT TIME FOR THIS!" Beyond that there's no hatred. No one wants to be stuck with her or end up killed trying to save the girl that can't do anything for herself. Child or adult in a zombie situation dead weight gets hated on. But beyond that I don't think of it as some deep seething hatred. Just when ish hits the fan Imma be pissed tryna drag her to safety.
@@iBleed_RoyLty4368Wait WHAT?! EXCUSE ME?! *Witness domestic violence and abuse that could and has ended in murder. *Flesh eating zombies murdering your love ones before your eyes. Are you truly claiming she is in the wrong to be afraid?
I am a Sarah apologist, and I've always been one. Unlike most of the adult characters throughout Season 2, you could tell she really cared about Clementine; giving her the peroxide to heal her dog bite, telling Carver to leave her alone if he hits her, etc. I don't necessarily HATE Carlos for sheltering his daughter, but I'm also of the opinion that it was the wrong route for him to take and that she needed help in more ways than one. It always bummed me out the most that, unlike Ben and Duck before her, Sarah can't even be mercy-killed and dies painfully no matter what.
Well to be fair most ppl like Carlos who still have a bit more of their humanity left that early on in the apocalypse would do the same thing which was to protect their kid at all costs in every way that they can at least good parents and it made that much more sense when u notice Sarah's debilitating anxiety especially after seeing her dad get torn apart in front of her traumatizing her to the point of being paralyzed with fear where she has her earliest death scene and while the best case scenario for who to survive longer was if she was made to be self sufficient and grown like clem but she is still just a kid and ngl it seemed like she was meant to die which sucked cuz of how it happened having that platform fall in on her
It’s crazy how people despise Sarah for acting the way she does when all that anger should be pointed at Carlos. She’s just a kid; she’s not even doing anything wrong or harmful to anyone. It’s Carlos that’s the problem here. Not that he was a bad father, but he was too overprotective and didn’t properly teach Sarah how to handle herself in the apocalypse. She got so attached to him that by the time he died, she seized to function. And sheltering her is what ultimately led to her death. Still irritating that Telltale didn’t give her the proper development that she needed to be just as self sufficient as Clementine. Why give us the option to save her just to kill her later? What a waste.
Yeah I’m pissed we can choose to save her only for her to die in a really horrible way without even seeing her change or grow from our actions towards her. I feel like telltale gave into all the hate the community had for her
Y'all need to remember that: Carlos is essentially the result of how unprepared and sheltered Sarah is because of how he constantly treated her like a new born lamb. Sarah is quite literally what Clementine would of turned out to be had Lee not listened to Chuck's words back in S1. It's sad to think that Sarah could've been like Clem or even Aj had Carlos not constantly protected and sheltered her from the reality of the world they lived in.
I liked Sarah because she was the closest thing in my life to a friend. All jokes aside I liked her character because she seemed like a good person deep down and seemed like she wanted to help but just ended up failing in the end. Also her actions were defined by the fact that she was obviously sheltered by her father.
One thing about Sarah is that even though her character felt as if she did nothing. She instead showed the different side of what Clementine could have been had Chuck not told Lee about giving Clemantine some survival skills. Since he's supposedly a doctor he could have easily have taught her some basic medical skills, but instead coddled her. People should hold Carlos to a bigger blame
I’d like to add Sarah’s anxiety also plays a major role in this. I’ve lived with anxiety and those overthinking thoughts can really psych you out if you don’t have a way to cope
I was actually very hurt that Sarah died when I first played. I tried so hard to be her friend and help her because her father kept sheltering her and didn't believe she could make it on her own. But I think she could have if she'd been given time and the right people to guide her.
@megamanblack4309 IS HE WRONG THOUGH 😂 Lee definitely wanted to protect her from everything but that also meant keeping her from being prepared to live without Lee
@@bloxnbrixgamer61 Lee was hesitant to do so because Clementine was only less then 10 years old like the other comment says Clementine should not have to hold the weight of a gun at that age she was. Plus this was only 3 months into the apocalypse carlos should of known better season 2 is already years into the apocalypse so carlos knows that the day had to come where Sarah needed training for what may happen to him In the future
@@The-Minionespecially with her being like 15 at the time of season 2. Most kids (in the US) Sarah's age have at least held a firearm before (hunting) so I don't think Carlos is as excusable as Lee
I feel like Sarah was supposed to be a bigger character than she eventually became not only was she the only other person from the season to be featured in posters of the game along side clementine she’s also one of the few characters you help constantly as you move forward in the story with her learning how to defend herself, how to control herself and even clementine helping her with her shores showing her she’s not alone but for whatever reason and I feel is a very rushed one they decided to kill her off later in development but it looks like the idea of clementine protecting and showing another kid to survive was liked so they picked up the story with AJ too bad Sarah was sacrificed to get there
8:53 I think it’s misleading because we’re hearing about Sara from her dad, who sounds more like he’s heavily projecting onto her what he thinks of her, as opposed to Sara being neurodivergent. But it is entirely possible that she is and that’s what lead him to be so overprotective
I've noticed a lot of autistic people are babied most of their lives, making them more insecure about being able to function in society, but most of the time they can do it easily. It's just that their parents don't seem to understand that autism ≠ disabled
She’s not. Her traits are a result of a sheltered upbringing. The sudden shock of a loss is due to her not being taught how to properly handle loss. I have a bias because everyone always goes “the one who is childish/quirky has to be autistic” because it feels like you’re stereotyping autistic people. Plus you can get autism like traits from trauma or other mental disorders.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions Yeah I don't think she's autistic but I do think she definitely had some kind of anxiety, maybe even a panic disorder. Which was most likely the cause of her being sheltered and unable to handle the real world. Either way, it's not her fault.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions mm im not so sure. She's shown a continuous inability to read situations. I.e. info dumping when clementine sneaks in the house and she sees her, and doing the same while Carver is talking later on. She also is unable to piece together the situation around her which leads me to believe there's a learning issue. I think she has a mix of a severe anxiety disorder as well as a learning disability which can make people interpret her symptoms that way even more. I don't think its stereotyping to recognize someone is struggling in life and address how theyre struggling. If someone still believes autistic = childish/weird they are way severely uneducated on the topic anyway and need to research for themselves and show interest if they want to be taken seriously in conversation about it.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions as a person with autism, I kinda see her being autistic. and I saw myself in her a lot ( without the sheltering thing ) too.
I freakin miss Season 1 so much. It made me realize it was the best writing and story this team had going. Chuck was a real one. He really helped Clem grow. Carlos' overprotectiveness of Sarah was absolutely her downfall. I replayed the games recently and realized I felt bad for Sarah. Thank you for making this video.
Sarah is the embodiment of someone who had glimpses of potential and capabilities and is just as capable as any survivor but are watered down because of their parents sheltering behavior to prevent their kid getting " hurt" in the outside world and in this case the apocalyptic world from seeing the violence and brutality of the TWD world When the irony is that sheltering and preservation of what carlos wanted to keep in Sarah's life is what led to her losing her life where she freezes up either scenario you let her die Because of the lack of exposure to experience and learning from trial and error Let this be a lesson That regardless you get hurt Either way But it's better to hurt through confrontation than avoidance
Morally she did nothing wrong, but life literally showed her that being too afraid to live was the wrong choice to make. I was the same age as Sarah when s2 came out, and I related to her heavily up to her death. It was insane seeing one of my self inserts die behind a problem that I have yet to solve in my real life. Like Sarah, I tend to freeze until life makes its decision for me. But seeing her get literally eaten alive for her inaction changed my entire perspective on life. I may not be eager to live, but the alternative doesn’t sound too great either.
I'm honestly so glad to find another person defending Sarah. Everyone always says "Sarah's so annoying" "Sarah deserved to die" "Sarah was such a baby and should've just grown up". Not every child character grows up and becomes a badass like Clem or Carl in TWD TV Series. They were coddled at first during the beginning of the apocalypse but it was thanks to Lee and Rick making those decisions that kept them alive (or until the writers wanted to save money and make a horrendously stupid mistake with Carl). Carlos was selfishly not ready to let go of his little girl and let her become what she needed to become to survive and that greatly harmed her chances of survival. And in the end she dies the same way by either choice: eaten alive by walkers, which is such a horrendous death for an innocent character. Unfortunately, if they aren't given the chance, some kids just don't make it in this world. And that is why I will never hate Sarah.
"you aint little. you aint a girl, a boy, you aint strong or smart. you're alive" this is everything really, in this game and life. you are just a living being, simple as that. you have to survive and do the best you can. regardless of age, gender, etc. it is a combination of luck and skill within chaos and your lived experience to push yourself forward. if you cannot cope with that and find the strength in yourself, it doesn't matter how "good" you are or how much potential you have
I think it's certainly possible that Sarah had autism, but it's harder to wager due to her environment. One particular scene that sticks out to me is when she tries to idly chit-chat with Clementine during Carver's lecture. It's one of the few instances where she fails to socially comprehend that she shouldn't really be talking due to unspoken consequences that would be obvious to everyone else, but not to her specifically. What makes this moment noteworthy to me is that Sarah is forced in a group environment rather than being hidden away by Carlos where she's often left to her own imagination, which makes her social lapse of judgement here all the more damning and inevitable But due to her environment, it's hard to fully ascertain whether it is autism or whether Sarah's upbringing and group dynamics is the root cause for any perceived social failures on her part I lean towards Sarah being sheltered as the the main cause of her behaviours as I think she's supposed to be a direct parallel of Clementine and what would have happened to her if Lee didn't prepare her for the world that she was now part of. Two little girls who were absolutely capable of surviving the apocalypse just like anyone else, but only one was given the tools to do so while the other was left in her own comfortable bubble that's a little too easy to pop Enjoyed the video! I think it's very easy to dislike Sarah if the context to her upbringing is ignored when the entire point of her character was to showcase what would happen to people who were unprepared to live in the apocalypse. She's supposed to be a tragic character because she entered the world at too big of a disadvantage to realistically survive
Well autism doesn’t make people have lapses in judgment and lack social awareness. That’s what being sheltered does. However a lot of ignorant parents would believe their autistic children would need coddling since they view autism as something that inhibits the brain when they ironically are the one doing that to the children by sheltering them. This creates the phenomenon where a lot of autistic people seemingly don’t know any better and how people will associate these traits with autism when the actual case is that autistic people are typically bard from being independent and social by their parents. Autism with co-occurrence however is another story.
Well autism doesn't make people have lapses in judgment and lack social awareness. That's what being sheltered does. However a lot of parents would believe their autistic children would need coddling since they view autism as something that inhibits the brain when they ironically are the one doing that to the children by sheltering them. This creates the phenomenon where a lot of autistic people seemingly don't know any better and how people will associate these traits with autism when the actual case is that autistic people are typically bard from being independent and social by their parents. Autism with co-occurrence however is another story.
@@idreadFell365 You make a fair point, which is why I concluded that I believe Sarah’s more representative of a sheltered child in my comment as boiling down all of her failures to autism is frankly a really ableist thing to do I brought up that Carver scene specifically because it’s the closest example I could think of on the top of my head that might be indicative of any traits suggesting she might have autism. But it could also just be an example of Sarah being a normal teenage girl with no awareness of the gravity of her situation. Like I said it’s harder to tell specifically because diagnosing girls with autism is infinitely harder. Add in the context of Sarah’s upbringing and her environment and it’s impossible to tell
@@playdoh658 I don’t give a damn if it’s in this dSm5. If you think that way about autism because it’s in the DsM5, that means autism shouldn’t be there. A lapse in judgment on the allistic’s part.
I always never understood why she was hated, because Sarah was raised sheltered in a world where she has no opportunity too grow where growth and adapting is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Her father was too overprotective so she couldn't grow mentally and had to rely on others she acts how so she was raised
Sarah is one example of what could realistically happen to people during a zombie pandemic, specially teenagers and young adults. She displays symptoms of general anxiety disorder (not autism), so she's naturally pre-disposed to not react well to stressful situations. Taking into account that medication is out of the picture here (just general antibiotics and basic stuff are hard enough to come by) the only way for her to harden up would be exposure to reality, with a figure to guide her emotionally and little by little attempt to take her sense of duty to herself to grow and with LOTS of luck, she could become independent, but still, she is WAY different than Clementine, she already has the anxiety disorder, so it would be a matter of a daily fight. For a supposed "doctor", Carlos didn't even take into account the psychological damage Sarah was being subjected too. It all came crashing and she didn't even realize she was dying in her final moments I bet (more noticeable in the van if left abandoned). Just absolute terror as your feel pain all over just because your own father didn't let you accept reality. Many wannabe heroes out there need to take into account the psychological damage into account in scenarios like this. I really like Sarah, it's a wake-up slap of a character that shows what could truly happen if you don't work on yourself little by little even before something big happens. (Just look at the Covid pandemic, that alone caused enough distress as it was).
Seeing Lee with little Clem brought instant tears I wasn’t even expecting. Sarah didn’t know any better and her only chance for growth was through Clem. Thank you for your analysis!
Honestly I had mixed feelings for Sarah in the beginning: after getting captured and imprisoned she specifically tells Clementine “I don’t want Reggie to get in trouble” so she *knows* what behaviour is expected of her in that moment, but then she has no problem chatting away and potentially getting them both in trouble the next day? But mainly I feel bitter that Clem teaching her how to hold a gun was all for nought. When the Walkers came during Rebecca’s labour I thought she would step up and help protect Rebecca but no, damned deck broke and the Walkers get her anyway no matter what you choose, she never even held a gun again so what was the point? Was it sad that she died the way she did? Definitely. But how she died was also realistic: people like her, by I mean the innocent, naive kind, though I suspected she was autistic from the first meeting (I’m an Aspie, some of her behaviours are familiar), are often the first to go. One thing I’ll always give to TWD is it isn’t afraid to show children are easy prey
THANK YOU FOR THIS 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Back when this released and everyone was playing it, I kept seeing Sarah get blamed for stuff she had zero control over, or blatantly lying about her character. At the time people called her stupid and weak, but SHE WAS LITERALLY A CHILD! Her father sheltered her, lied to her, and babied her to the point of obliviousness. Hell, I WEPT when she died, cuz I related to her so much. Sarah, like the rest of the fanbase says, had so much potential to be a survivor just like Clem. They could’ve been two best friends facing the unknown together. But sadly, that was tossed aside and she was just another faceless victim to the undead. Thank you for this video. ❤
Honestly I feel bad for her because of the way others treat her I don't know if this is said in the game but to me she definitely seems to be Neurodivergent coded and everyone treats her like she's a pet or a lesser person or something
As an autistic person, it’s more than just her anxiety. It’s her lack of taking care of herself, and losing it all once her father dies. He was her primary caregiver, and considering the language they use, I’m not surprised if Sarah had executive function disorder (not an actual disorder, but it is a more accurate name to the symptoms of ADHD, and my words escaped me to explain it), and genuinely could NOT take care of herself. It may be why she’s so sheltered, or fed into it. Either way, she had some flavor of a disability, and as an autistic person, I related heavily to Sarah.
It's interesting because Sarah is a direct reflection of what Clementine might've ended up like had she not been prepared for survival in the apocalypse. It's sad that people don't realize it wasn't her fault, but the adults around her
I think this comments section is actually missing the point of Carlos entirely here. Did Carlos fail Sarah? Yes, he did. However, that doesn't mean Carlos is selfish or did it for his own peace of mind. That doesn't seem right to me. Place yourself in the shoes of Carlos. You're a parent in the apocalypse, you have nobody left except your teen daughter to protect, and you've seen the horrors of the apocalypse firsthand. Sarah is as innocent as they come, he didn't want to her lose that. Yes, it's shortsighted and was detrimental, but can you truly blame a parent for wanting to maintain that innocence in such a fucked up world? We've all had moments where our parents still acted like we were the pint-sized toddlers they used to have to baby and coddle. We've seen it in media too, parents see their kids as the young babies they were born as for as long as possible. Yeah, as the kid it can be pretty annoying, but we all know the power of nostalgia for days long passed. And we have to remember, in the Walking Dead universe, zombie flicks were never a thing if I recall correctly, so there's no set standard on how to act during a zombie apocalypse, hence why no one calls zombies "zombies". The term doesn't exist. Every character thought the apocalypse would blow over in Season 1, obviously as a viewer we know that's nonsense and it would take much longer for society to return to any sense of normalcy, but we have to remember the knowledge that the characters possess, not what we the player know in hindsight.
@@littlemoth4956 Being selfish is different from being protective. To be selfish would mean he’s doing what he does for his own interests first and foremost, which is simply not the case. He was extremely over-protective, but it was for (in his mind) Sarah’s sake.
@@sirnetflix7162You can ABSOLUTELY be both selfish and protective- Carlos sacrificed Sarah's long term wellbeing in order to ease his own fears. Its the same idea as never taking the training wheels off your kid's bike, because it would be too upsetting to you, as the parent, to see them fall. This is basically the basis of helicopter parenting, and in a zombiepocalypse, it kills. An explanation is not an excuse. What he did was beyond the pale, especially when Clementine came into the picture, modeling a self-sufficient, capable girl to him, and giving Sarah a peer to grow alongside.
Honestly, it wouldn't have mattered if Carlos tried to teach Sarah how the world worked in the zombie apocalypse. It's obvious that Sarah is mentally challenged, and while she may have some small grasp on how dangerous the world around her now was, she wouldn't have been able to hone the skills to survive on her own and would forever rely on others to protect her (and we've seen in the game proper how much of a liability she is in high stress situations). While Carlos is an idiot for not at least trying to teach Sarah how to survive in the zombie apocalypse; in the end, it wouldn't have amounted to much.
I absolutely HATE that Sarah got killed off. It was so goddamn lazy, she easily could've been saved and kept on as a character to grow over time. It feels like they has ideas and then went "yknow what? fuck it, kill her off." I'm not even kidding when I say that killing her off genuinely made me drop the games entirely after I finished season 2. It was just so *lazy* and poorly done. The whole thing with Jane and Luke's bullshit was also a contributing factor, it made me grow a high amount of distaste for the game. Everything about near the end of S2 genuinely killed my affection for the series.
Honestly its a fundamental flaw in the CYOA games especially when its broken up in seasons that bill themselves as having ' life or death decisions where your choices matter', they really don't because writing, voicing, designing and animating a character costs money. The moment they give us a choice that could kill someone the writers start writing around them instead of with them because they've already committed to the idea they don't need this character anymore to keep the story moving otherwise there'd be a game over screen. How many times is it where they gave us a choice to save someone only to kill them anyway or they linger around in the background get one or two scenes in focus before we find them dead later? From a design standpoint putting a focus on life or death choices typically just leads to an unavoidable body count and tons of wasted potential. The best we could hope for is an optional sidequest, an easter egg or in rare cases the writers will just snatch the choice back and say they somehow survived.
Fantastic video! 💯 I feel like Sarah is very important to the overall story because she represents what would have happened if Lee didn't train Clem. The death of Sarah also motivates Clem to train AJ. Sarah's story is essential for illustrating why parents must prepare their children for the future.
I think it would’ve been interesting if Sarah didn’t die and become like the groups doctor or something. Like healing people of their injuries/illness. As while she isn’t much of a fighter like Clem. She still helpful in her own way and she still wanna learn how to survive. I also think they should’ve added to her trait is her having a goal of wanting her loves ones not just surviving but also to live. As she’ll be the heart/hope of the group that everybody needs in these dark times. Man that would’ve been amazing. Edit: also another reason why I think she’s dislike is because she’s realistic and not a “super badass who’s dead inside” and stuff like that
This honestly is what could have happened to Clem if Lee hadn't taught her to protect herself (also his doing so came following advice from chuck, so he also deserves recognition for that). Sarah was sort of a burden from a survivalist perspective but (as was said) that was entirely the fault of Carlos, not her.
I’m pretty sure that no one REALLY hates Sarah it’s just the idea of having someone who’s such a liability in the worst of times but no one can blame her for being sheltered and it even annoys the people who have a good conscience to make the decision of “she’s a liability but if I don’t save her then half my party’s gonna be mad at me” and also If anything rewatching Walking Dead showed me it’s that not always siding with Kenny really shows his true colors.
I loved this video. I always thought her story was so tragic and I was so upset when she ended up dying anyway, despite how hard Clementine tried to save her 😭
Sarah did literally nothing wrong. Not everyone is going to be fit to be a survivalist or fighter. Everyone is striving for a world of peace so people like Ben and Sarah can flourish.
When I played this game back when it came out, I did my best to help, and teach her to use a weapon to protect herself since her father was coddling her. It’s not her fault, her father didn’t teach her survival skills, so I wanted to help her overcome the situation. But I remember so much hate from the fanbase. It honestly felt so disgusting how people just wanted her to die and didn’t feel bad at all for leaving her in the trailer. She’s still a child for goodness sakes. We see Clem is more competent then the adults in this game but that only because she had Lee to teach her, and because the writing sucks this season. Maybe it’s makes people forget how difficult it would be for a child who didn’t get to learn. But what even worse is the writers still kill her off in such a disrespectful way even if you try your best to help. It felt like either they were listening to the haters or just making poor decisions (season 2 is just absolutely terrible written anyway). It’s even possible she had some kind of disability so it’s even worse that people were unsympathetic to her.
I have autism, Asperger's syndrome, in my opinion, Sarah Weak, because she was emotionally attached to her father, she watched the teacher and because of the trauma, she could not move, "sometimes it is better for a child to cut in order to become strong."
I do agree that Sarah is weak but it’s mostly because Carlos made her that way. Back then (both when the game was released and especially in the early 2000s where the game is set), it was much more common to coddle autistic children because people didn’t think they could live a normal life without extra help. That is true for some cases of autism, but from the little we see of Sarah, that probably wasn’t the case.
Asperger’s is an outdated term and so is this mindset. This kid wasn’t weak, she was emotionally unprepared for the apocalypse and possibly had something that caused her to process pain differently (autism, anxiety, developmental disabilities, etc.)
Just a thought, maybe they'd have more of a plotline going forward had they left Sarah alive instead of killing off characters every episode for the plot 😐. Sarah had potential for being a major character in the series and I think it would have made the series feel more real if they hadn't killed her off in season 2... We all love a character with background and actual importance in any game, she could have been a good friend to clementine later on or even having more of a shocking change like Lily did.
Sarah is the best example of all the wasted potential in season 2. In a perfect world, she would have gotten an arc where she learned to survive on her own with Clem's help. Instead all of Carlos's attempts to protect her getting her killed.
No she wasn't similar to Ben because that dude was final destination level worst , Sarah was just a weak of character Carlos shouldn't had baby her in a world as violent as the walking dead
The only person sarah got killed was arguably Reggie, and honestly screw Reggie. Ben caused the entire downfall of the motel group, and then the crawford group. Carley/Doug, Katjaa, Duck, Chuck, Brie. All Bens fault. Sorry Ben, you lost your chance at a merciful end the second you abandoned clementine in the streets to save your own worthless hide. SEE YA!
@@sasaki999pro Sarah was not responsible for Reggie's demise - that was entirely on Carver and his lack of patience/tolerance. Sarah was, however, directly responsible for getting Saria killed. While Sarah screaming was understandable (who wouldn't when seeing their father killed, eaten by zombies) her screams did draw the attention of the walkers, forcing the others to fight for their lives while she ran off.
Oh she totally didn't. I'm shocked this is even a argument. She's a sheltered innocent kid who did nothing wrong it was no where near her fault, it's also the writers just absolutely hating her. She could have totally been saved in the 2nd situation but they send the person down who didn't even WANT to save her in the first place then a plank comes out of nowhere and hits her on the head. It's almost looney tunnish bad luck.
thank you for this!! what is with people hating every flaw of these characters? these survivors are realistic people, they're meant to be unlikeable for a reason. that's the reason why they're alive
I really feel bad for her. I think if her father and the others hadn't lied to her so much and had taught her how to survive, she could have been good at defending herself, she showed that she could do it sometimes. Her father tried to protect her, but in the long run it only hurt her. Seriously, what did Carlos expect from that? He should have known something was going to happen and Sarah needed to protect herself, she couldn't stay a child forever (and she's a teen).
love this video alot. its great, i was hoping youd cover sarah :) i think shes wrongly demonised and it makes me really sad to see people treat her this way :( esp if she is implied to be mentally ill (anxiety disorder) i feel like the fandom treats her so horribly and its really unfair, shes not to blame for anything and people expecting a 'perfect society' and lees everywhere (as in great people who can defend themselves and everyone) are so cruel to characters who cant be perfect like her not only is carlos sheltering her but there are other factors (like her anxiety disorder, if it is confirmed) that make it debilitating for her to survive in this world and so much harder. ppl dont give her the respect she deserves and dont try to understand her, they just blame her for being 'incompetent' which i think is ridiculous. its like the exact thing crawford demonstrated NOT to do, if youre going to treat everyone as burdens and mouths to feed it will backfire on you. a bit of humanity is needed to properly comprehend the characters if anyone is to blame for how she is, its carlos because he constantly sheltered sarah and didnt try to give her any leeway. he poorly treated her and didnt know how to parent her, and she suffered for this. i think shes a very misunderstood and overhated character for near to no reason, all because people cant comprehend that she is different to others and that her circumstances actively failed her. she deserved so much better
I honestly believe that Sarah is basically a representation of S1 clementine would've become if lee and chuck didn't teach her how to survive in the apocalypse.
Yeah, people hate her and i always say blame her father and in her life threatening situations, people say leave her when i know we all want to be saved if we where in her shoes
Everything that happened to Sarah is because of Carlos… he coddled that girl way too much. She was 15 more than capable to understand what’s happening in the world. I’m not saying he shouldn’t protect his daughter but while protecting her he should have taught her how to protect herself.
Maturing is realizing that there's nothing wrong with Sarah's actions and behavior. Heck, I would admit that in an apocalyptic situation, I would most likely act or respond similarly to Sarah. I'd probably panic and get scared too. Carlos taught her to be naive in the real world, preventing her from seeing the harsh reality. Now look at how she has turned out.. He should've been aware that he won't always be there to protect her. He should've taught her how to survive the apocalypse, just like Lee did for Clem.
if I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the writers really enjoyed the scene where Sarah dies in Season 2, I think the scene where she gets stuck under the deck? Now, of course, this was like a decade ago now, maybe a bit less, so I may be completely misremembering it, but if I am correct, then it just paints a pretty weird picture of the folks who worked on Season 2. Always thought Sarah's story was odd. She had potential to grow and become a pretty cool character, even if she were to die in the end, but what they did to hear, ultimately, was needlessly cruel. No growth, no progression, she either dies in complete shock, Clementine failing to save her/abandoning her or she dies screaming for her dad, under some wooden wreckage. Such a waste of potentially good writing if they just tried.
When my older brother and I played this game and pretty much interacted with Sarah throughout the game when we play as Clementine we were trying to steer Sarah away from the situation. The main person who was the biggest problem was Carlos he failed horribly and the zombie problem even made the situation worse for Sarah.
I don’t need to see the whole video to know I agree. She is literally a girl who was sheltered from everything for years, of course she won’t be adjusted to anything the world is like.
Damn Sarah. Could have been so much if her dad didn’t hold her back (Also Telltale Writing Lol). Clem would have been an important role model to her even though she is younger than Sarah cuz of Lee’s lessons and her experience surviving on her own and with Christa, Omid, etc.
I'm so glad you're talking about this. I was so confused when people said they hated Sarah when it's extremely obvious she was very sheltered & purposely kept in the dark.
I remember a few times where we had to help Clem in the first game because she’s a child in the apocalypse. Sarah is a child also, so I always tried to help her best I could
I really loved Sarah, i really wished she had a redemption arc in episodes 4 and 5., clementine teaching her how to survive, and enduring to survive like her Father Carlos would. However, with it being the in the TWD universe it is totally inevitable that somethings don't live forever and not everyone lives.
I dont think Sarah was even directly responsible for anybody's death in the season. I think the only argument that could be made was either Nick's (if he survived to episode 4) and Sarita's, but even those feel like a stretch.
Clementine was also incredibly sheltered in Season 1, but she had practical guidance outside Lee long before Chuck came up. Sarah, despite having lived under social darwinist Carver long before Clementine came and with a wide array of adults who could have taught her basic survival in the same vein other adults got involved with Duck's foolhardiness and filled the gap for Lee's lack of parenting experience, didn't get her ready for the world. Sarah isn't just a "little girl", her obedience and anxiety are outright pathological. Even pre-Chuck Clementine rushed to squeeze into small spaces due to being the only one who fit and helped keep the peace whenever Ben screwed up. Sarah isn't just "sheltered" and it's not Carlos's fault; she has special needs. When I heard the "she isn't like you" comment I too took offense on behalf of Clementine, as a "what do you take me for?", but Sarah doesn't function on par with a 15yo or even the 12yo she must have been during the outbreak. Compare her to Becca, the "400 Days" girl her age who was also sheltered by her sister Shel. Becca acts like a typical teenager, trying t mimic the hardened brutality of Roman while clearly being scared out of her mind and dependent on Shel. Sarah functions below the 8yo level Clementine was at when Lee first met her. It might not be autism but developmental delay. If you notice her height and figure, or lack thereof, she looks more along the 12-13 range, especially when you consider how petite Clementine is. I agree that whatever is wrong with her doesn't seem to be autism, especially since she can read Clem's expression, but there IS SOMETHING wrong with her. Sarah was doomed from the day of the outbreak, Carlos managed to delay the inevitable for almost 4 years.
Sarah could've had a lot of potential if Telltale knew how to write characters that aren't the main characters one thing i saw is someone doing an alternate story where Sarah finally grows up after her fathers death and actually survives the game with Clementine
You seem to see Autism as an insult. Theyre still capable. It's understandable to think they hinted to AS. She show sign of it and anxiety is normal, its not specifically an disorder
It really depends on where they place on the spectrum Sarah seems to have the mind of a child even clem finds it bizarre how childish she is when Sarah was 15 and clem was 11 the autism didn’t help her chances of survival and Carlos parenting made it even worse
Homie autism is a spectrum. Some people straight up can't function in society and it's not wrong to say that, in fact they deserve compassion and help. Sarah definitely has autism
@@JohnWall-lj1mx Even with that though, many autistic people who "seem to have the mind of a child" can still be very capable of survival and to a degree, some independence, even in high stress situations, so long as they have enough support and knowlage. I'd know cause I met and became well acquainted with many. One, a grown lady, even managed to learn to ride the bus and understand bus schedules, people are very capable of many things even if they aren't capable at all of others. In my opinion, Sarah likely would've been very capable of taking care of herself and even other's by her current age if she weren't raised to be almost codependent to her dad, sure she'd be childish, immature, maybe even still highly underestimate the severity of situations, but I can see her being fully capable of many things if only she was given the chance and not just constantly pushed to keep following her dad. I've actually used to be in a very similar place to her a few years ago and I didn't think I'd get to where I am now.
I agree with the idea that Sarah wasn't really to blame for how she was. She was sheltered on top of being a little mentally ill, not like in a bad way but she presents a few symptoms to make possible she's either on the spectrum or suffering from a mild form of mental illness. The apocalypse has been going on for about 2-3 yrs by the time we get to this group Clementine was 9 by the end of season one, and somewhat sure she was 11 when talking to Bonnie. Sarah was around 16 when we met so around 13 when this all started, so prior to that there was 13 yrs where Carlos could have been raising her as an overly sheltered child or she does indeed have mild autism, based on the dialogue they're not one to openly say someone is autistic, looking at Duck, everyone knew he was a little off but no one says anything specifically about what's wrong with him even though you can see it. Sarah had a lot of similar mannerisms, she could have mild retardation, autism, Asperger's, everyone has a specific image of what each condition looks like but it's very apparent she was mentally unwell for awhile and Carlos keeping her in the dark about the world ending only added to what was already an issue. Plus had this been just brought on by the walkers and everything going on, someone like Rebecca would have no patience for that the way she carries on at everyone else. Yet she's beyond sweet to Sarah. If the meanest b+tch in the group goes out of her way to be nice to someone for seemingly no reason, odds are she's a little special to be treated so gently.
I would LOVE to hear your take on Lilly as a character, she was one of my favorites in season 1 and I personally think the way she was taken in season 4 and how she was treated was not only one of the biggest wasted opportunities telltale has made, ever But also One of the most money hungry ones. It almost feels like they realized Lilly was a face the fans hated, and they were desperate for money since they were going bankrupt, so they plastered her in s4 and made her a sort of punching bag for players to constantly return back to due to rage-bait
Nah man, Lilly wanted to prevent Carley & Glenn from saving your group when you first arrived in Macon. in ep 3, she backstabbed Lee if you had taken her into the van. She was already becoming a darker character. Lee did not let his past crime define who he is but Lilly after shooting Carley/Doug was already becoming a darker character.
Tore me up a lil when Sarah was killed the way she was. She was innocent in a f'd up world. Yeah her father should have taught her better, but she didn't deserve to go out that way. Season 2 was so traumatic! EVERYBODY died in Clem's group. No one survived! Except AJ and whoever you left with at the end of S2
Everything she did/didn’t do wasn’t her fault but doesn’t mean I like her character, I like her AS a character, she’s a good representation of what could’ve happened to Clementine if Lee didn’t take Chuck’s advice, but I don’t like her because of the purpose she serves within the game, which is ultimately nothing besides another character to die and really not doing anything to benefit the group
just imagine if sara survived and wed see her in season 3 and 4 where she grew up from being sheltered to badass like clem and they would take care of AJ together man what a missed potential
I personally loved Sarah being included in the story. It really did feel like a mirror to what Clementine was and how their journey's through the outbreak moulded them, even in such a short space of time. Lee knew he had to make sure she knew what to do and how to handle herself whereas Carlos didn't even think to try. At the very least, Sarah had an anxiety disorder which was only further worsened by Carlos' passing. I feel like he had her living a sheltered life prior to the apocalypse but doubled down when the Walkers hit, not realizing it would only make things worse for the poor girl. I feel like a lot of the hate Sarah got was because at this point, Clementine had already mostly got a handle of being a survivor and it became what was expected - almost everyone we come across is already equipped for the new world. the playerbase forget that there are kids in the world that are, well, still kids.
Sometimes shows and games can make you forget that characters can still be human. Sarah was living a normal life and thought she was still living one even during the apocalypse. Carlos put his daughters perfect reality over what was actually happening and only planned for if he was around which wasn't the case. If Lee never got advice from Chuck about how Clementine needed to know how to take care of herself she could've ended up just like Sarah.
It wasn’t her fault she died. Luke got frisky with Jane resulting in the walkers ambushing them. Not to mention if Luke prioritized Rebecca more, Sarah wouldn’t have died.
@@iBleed_RoyLty4368 Of course it doesn’t but that explains her actions though and why her father coddled her. Back then, hardly anybody knew much about autism, let alone how it affected girls.
It breaks my heart to see Sarah die no matter what you say or do. Carlos had no backup plans or survival tips, and once he’s gone she doesn’t even last 24 hours without him. I feel so sorry for her.
Honestly thinking about it more, they could have taken Sarah's character in a very interesting direction and caused multiple people to live longer because of it. Because if in the ski lodge when you first meet up with Kenny, there could have been an option to confront Carlos about how he is raising. Sarah and can he will tell Carlos about what happened to duck in turn making him rethink his actions. So maybe once they get to escaping The Walker herd. Sarah isn't as scared because Carlos would have prepared her a little bit. It wasn't a lot of time but enough to slightly prepare her and would make such a more interesting way for the story to develop than just Carlos dies Sarah gets scared and then Sarah dies
I wish the game gave us the option to be Chuck figure to Carlos and convince him to prepare Sarah how to survive, when by the time Carlos died, Sarah would get some of the basics down for Clementine to help Sarah after Carlos's death.
Carlos failed his daughter by not preparing her for what would happen if he died
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You guys literally say the same tired thing over and over and over again about Carlos. Carlos heavily implied he’d smack the shit out of Clementine if she was his daughter over a remark. He clearly had his reasons behind why he was overly careful with her but everyone chooses to deny it.
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Yes and his reasons got his daughter killed and had clementine been his daughter she be dead to just like Sarah his style of parenting would've been ok in a non apocalyptic setting but that's not the case here Carlos as unintentional as it was killed his daughter by not preparing her for the real world
@@drock2coolz820 Carlos crossed his arms when he replied to Clementine’s remark like he wanted to smack her across the face. Don’t forget, it was Carlos’s idea to lock Clementine in the shed. Sarah was autistic, that’s why he coddled her.
Yeah screw Carlos, he probably wasn't even a real doctor if he couldn't figure out if Clem had a dog or a human bite.
It's funny that after so mamy Years people still don't understand that bite of human and dog and wolf look actually similiar
Especially if it scrapes @above.
Homie he was a doctor, not a vet. I guarantee you that if a dog or human bit someone's hand, a doctor couldn't tell at 1st site in the dark
@@PoProstuBoniaczOkay, but an actual *"doctor"* should've been able to tell. Dogs have a different jaw shape, amount of teeth, etc. And all their teeth are canines, whereas a human only has 4 canine teeth. The rest are molars, or the flat ones in the front.
@@PoProstuBoniaczat a glance maybe but they’re fundamentally different given the mouth shape and more importantly the fact every tooth in a dogs mouth is canine.
Sarah gave me 'sheltered austistic child' vibes. It's very similar to my cousin. Because of his diagnosis, his parents sheltered him most of his child and teenage years. He's an adult now with his first job, but it's clear he still relies on his parents and is very naive to the world. Sarah is a big reflection when I played this game. It's Carlos who did wrong by his daughter in views of keeping her safe..
When a parent shelter an autistic kid, they failed the autistic kid.
I’m autistic and I rely on my parents for care and support and it’s not inherently a bad thing. I’m disabled I literally need help and have support needs.
@@SparklingGlitterCookie sounds like co-occurrence
@SparklingGlitterCookie I am too. It's called a spectrum for a reason. I don't rely on my parents to get by on a basic day by day lifestyle. Everyone's different. I don't blame my cousin for being who he is, but I imagine who he could have been I'd his parents didn't treat him like he was 5 by the time he was 17. He can do basics. He can drive now, but his parents still see him as a little boy rather than an adult in his 20s.
As an autistic person, I can definitely see that she has some sort of signs of autism....I feel bad for sarah
I weep for the dynamic duo that Clem and Sarah could have been.
Can you imagine how badass it would be to see Sarah go from the sheltered, fearful kid to a bonafide survivor that watches Clementines back when shit gets rough.
We could have had two girl, back to back, leaning on one another in the hard times. That shit could have been a story for the ages. 😔
Fr. If she was given enough time, she could’ve been the first AJ
It could've been a Carol situation which I would be so down for- even if Sarah had to inevitably die like everyone else had to for stupid reasons, it would've been nice to see...even for a while. Would've made her death after her turn-around hit harder since she would probably be one of the only people looking out for Clem aside from Luke who would've died.
The truth is, Clem started off very scared too, she didn't just start out tough, she developed survival skills overtime.
Sarah had just lost her dad and went into shock, but to be honest it was wrong of the dad not to show the realities and sheltering her from the way things were. That was his grief though of wanting to hold onto normalcy, but it also got his daughter killed later.
Honestly I never saw that happening. Even if Carlos didn’t shelter her, I don’t see her being capable of being a “badass.” The only little girl I can see being a badass along with Clem is Marianna.
Carlos is a selfish person, he sheltered and treated Sarah like a little girl because it's "all he has left", like, it's clearly an emotional/coping thing for him.
Carlos never treated her like a person, he talks about her like she's some kind of pet that requires special treatment. He doesn't let her have fun, or go outside, or be part of conversations, or make her own decisions. Nothing. She's HIS little girl and that's it, that's all that matters to him. That's all Sarah is allowed to be.
He doesn't even THINK about her future-- You keep Sarah sheltered and then what, Carlos? does she even know how to fish or hunt?
I can't be mad at Sarah because of course she believes he has good intentions and would never hurt her. Of course she trusts her dad, why wouldn't she?? She can't see how Carlos INTENTIONALLY *prevents her* from growing up, simply to satisfy HIS own anxiety and emotional needs. It's literally not her fault, she ACTUALLY wanted to learn and grow.
Don't even get me started on the cabin group because how can you see this toxic shit and not TRY to do something, even if you have to do it secretly? idgaf if Carlos gets mad, do it anyways.
it's been i dont know how many years and i'm still sad about this, maybe it's because how often people blame Sarah for shit that isn't even her fault, instead of blaming the adults around her, who could've done something. Or maybe they did try and never showed it? idk but i wish they had.
if you put it that way its so horrible
this is so true
Completely agree. What makes it worse is that if you're patient with her she shows important signs of growth and maturity. She definitely could've grown out of that learned helplessness if they hadn't decided that she HAD to die in episode 4.
She's 15 years old. Girl in her age should make her own decisions and rebel.
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Not if she doesn't know rebelling is an option
Carlos is my most hated character in the entire game it's hilarious how a convicted killer was a better father figure for 3 months then carlos was for his daughters whole life
Tbf Lee was also shaping up to go down the exact same path carlos did until the homeless guy called him out on it and said if he continued coddling/sheltering clem she would die
@@JohnWall-lj1mxit should be said that Clem was 8 in season 1 and Sarah was fucking 15 damn near an adult…. lee coddling Clem when she was basically still a baby is NOWHERE NEAR what Carlos did to that girl who was almost an adult
@@JohnWall-lj1mx Lee was hesitant to do so because Clementine was only less then 10 years old like the other comment says Clementine should not have to hold the weight of a gun at that age she was. Plus this was only 3 months into the apocalypse carlos should of known better season 2 is already years into the apocalypse so carlos knows that the day had to come where Sarah needed training for what may happen to him In the future
@@The-Minionwait a minute...
You copy pasted this reply from the other comment 💀
@@H3NDR1X485 yh I couldn't be bothered to make a new one and that comment was related to what I was saying 😅
I actually felt bad for Sarah. When Jane suggested Clem leave her in that trailer I was appalled. The girl had lost her father. She was breaking down and the idea of leaving her to die in that trailer was one that I wouldn’t do even if I found her annoying at times. It’s a shame she ended up dying anyways, but she had potential. If only she had not been so sheltered.
Agreed. I think if Carlos and been upfront with her she might have stood a chance. Especially with him being a doctor he could have passed that knowledge onto her. Wasted potential for sure.
Her death after the trailer infuriates me because if it was at the trailer, so be it, but the fact that you can succeed, see her change only for her to die in a completely unrelated moment grinds my gears.
@@lifeisadrag7705She actually doesnt change, it just gets worse. If you look for her and talk to her before Rebecca gives birth, she says they must wait for her dad to get back and then go back at the cabin, cause its safe.
That's why I always side with kenny no matter what. If Jane could leave Sarah that quickly, she could leave clem that easily. And she sure did.
Jane is a such see you next Tuesday I never got her hype I couldn’t look past her personality
I remember how sad I felt when I first seen Sarah die at the observation deck. Just seeing how helpless she is and her last breath is just calling out for her dad to help her... it still gives me chills. Screw Carlos for failing her AND Jane for pretty much just letting her die.
To be fair jane could only do so much
Man, Chuck was a great guy.
Sarah's only fuckup was taking thst picture and leaving it in the open
To be honest theres a missed potential at the part where we choose to teach her how to shoot a gun.
No. Carver recognized Carlos's shirt that was on the sofa. Sarah pic only confirmed Carver suspicion.
@@vinhbao9738 oh ok, I forgot about that
He really was. He was a homeless gentleman but he was so generous. He brought the best advice and was such a kind soul.
Chuck was a real one! I wish there was some way to save him
Sarah is literally a realistic child in a zombie apocalypse why would she have known to deal with this stuff if she was literally never taught
Exactly. Cant expect her to just snap out of what happened to Carlos and become a zombie slaying survivor. She clearly had disorders. Its impressive how Carlos managed to sensor the world around her considering the circumstances
She COULD have been taught is the thing. Just like Clem was even though she didn’t really want to learn, Chuck, and afterwards Lee, knew there was no choice regardless of what any of them wanted.
Carlos could have 100% taught Sarah at least the basics of surviving but he doesn’t because she’s “all he has left.” Sarah was treated like an object by Carlos for a selfish reason. She’s his only daughter so it’s an understandably selfish reason, but the apocalypse wasn’t going to go easy due to that. He coddles and shelters her in a world where he should know full well that’s going to end everything.
Carlos is like the anti-Lee lmao he assumed that he’d always be there when nothing is promised, especially during times like these.
For me she was really similar to Ben, but this time it wasn't because Sarah hadn't been in the apocalypse for long, but instead Carlos for whatever reason hid her from it entirely.
You could say he protect her in a wrong way
Shes autistic and very sensitive Carlos coddling just made it worse and stunted her with the mind of a child
That is why she died, she wasn't prepared for anything because Carlos wanted Sarah to stay oblivious to the world. She didn't even know how to defend herself!
Sarah, Clem, and AJ represent the spectrum of teaching children how to grow up in the new walker infested world, with Clementine being close to the center. From natured to hardship.
Ben screwed up all the time and got people killed, Sarah was just weak
I didn't even realise people disliked Sarah when she was probably the most real character of the season. Like, what's a mollycoddled girl who's clearly got some form of disorder supposed to do in a zombie apocalypse, become Daryl in the space of an hour?
She's lost, confused, sweet and too pure for a world like the Walking Dead. It broke my heart that no matter what you do, she couldn't be saved, but honestly her dying is probably best for her in the long run. Just wish she could have gone out more peacefully.
I think that we assumed if zombies existed, then we have no time for feelings. Get out of the danger and then feel. Before this video in the moments when she almost died and later did die I was like "GURL MOVE WE AINT GOT TIME FOR THIS!" Beyond that there's no hatred.
No one wants to be stuck with her or end up killed trying to save the girl that can't do anything for herself. Child or adult in a zombie situation dead weight gets hated on. But beyond that I don't think of it as some deep seething hatred. Just when ish hits the fan Imma be pissed tryna drag her to safety.
Sarah just seemed like an average coddled preteen scared shitless about everything to me. Maybe I just suck at diagnosing.
Walking dead fans have irrational hatred towards any character that isn't a blood thirsty death machine from the jump
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@@iBleed_RoyLty4368Wait WHAT?! EXCUSE ME?!
*Witness domestic violence and abuse that could and has ended in murder.
*Flesh eating zombies murdering your love ones before your eyes.
Are you truly claiming she is in the wrong to be afraid?
I am a Sarah apologist, and I've always been one. Unlike most of the adult characters throughout Season 2, you could tell she really cared about Clementine; giving her the peroxide to heal her dog bite, telling Carver to leave her alone if he hits her, etc. I don't necessarily HATE Carlos for sheltering his daughter, but I'm also of the opinion that it was the wrong route for him to take and that she needed help in more ways than one. It always bummed me out the most that, unlike Ben and Duck before her, Sarah can't even be mercy-killed and dies painfully no matter what.
Well to be fair most ppl like Carlos who still have a bit more of their humanity left that early on in the apocalypse would do the same thing which was to protect their kid at all costs in every way that they can at least good parents and it made that much more sense when u notice Sarah's debilitating anxiety especially after seeing her dad get torn apart in front of her traumatizing her to the point of being paralyzed with fear where she has her earliest death scene and while the best case scenario for who to survive longer was if she was made to be self sufficient and grown like clem but she is still just a kid and ngl it seemed like she was meant to die which sucked cuz of how it happened having that platform fall in on her
It’s crazy how people despise Sarah for acting the way she does when all that anger should be pointed at Carlos. She’s just a kid; she’s not even doing anything wrong or harmful to anyone. It’s Carlos that’s the problem here. Not that he was a bad father, but he was too overprotective and didn’t properly teach Sarah how to handle herself in the apocalypse. She got so attached to him that by the time he died, she seized to function. And sheltering her is what ultimately led to her death. Still irritating that Telltale didn’t give her the proper development that she needed to be just as self sufficient as Clementine. Why give us the option to save her just to kill her later? What a waste.
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She could get people killed that’s why
agreed! wasted potential
Nah I definitely think he's a bad dad. It doesn't even seem like his daughter has her own life
Yeah I’m pissed we can choose to save her only for her to die in a really horrible way without even seeing her change or grow from our actions towards her. I feel like telltale gave into all the hate the community had for her
Y'all need to remember that: Carlos is essentially the result of how unprepared and sheltered Sarah is because of how he constantly treated her like a new born lamb. Sarah is quite literally what Clementine would of turned out to be had Lee not listened to Chuck's words back in S1.
It's sad to think that Sarah could've been like Clem or even Aj had Carlos not constantly protected and sheltered her from the reality of the world they lived in.
I liked Sarah because she was the closest thing in my life to a friend. All jokes aside I liked her character because she seemed like a good person deep down and seemed like she wanted to help but just ended up failing in the end. Also her actions were defined by the fact that she was obviously sheltered by her father.
One thing about Sarah is that even though her character felt as if she did nothing. She instead showed the different side of what Clementine could have been had Chuck not told Lee about giving Clemantine some survival skills. Since he's supposedly a doctor he could have easily have taught her some basic medical skills, but instead coddled her. People should hold Carlos to a bigger blame
I’d like to add Sarah’s anxiety also plays a major role in this. I’ve lived with anxiety and those overthinking thoughts can really psych you out if you don’t have a way to cope
I was actually very hurt that Sarah died when I first played. I tried so hard to be her friend and help her because her father kept sheltering her and didn't believe she could make it on her own. But I think she could have if she'd been given time and the right people to guide her.
Lee was like Carlos until Chuck threw some sense into Lee.
Damn, that's disrespectful to Lee!😂
@megamanblack4309 IS HE WRONG THOUGH 😂 Lee definitely wanted to protect her from everything but that also meant keeping her from being prepared to live without Lee
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@@bloxnbrixgamer61 Lee was hesitant to do so because Clementine was only less then 10 years old like the other comment says Clementine should not have to hold the weight of a gun at that age she was. Plus this was only 3 months into the apocalypse carlos should of known better season 2 is already years into the apocalypse so carlos knows that the day had to come where Sarah needed training for what may happen to him In the future
@@The-Minionespecially with her being like 15 at the time of season 2. Most kids (in the US) Sarah's age have at least held a firearm before (hunting) so I don't think Carlos is as excusable as Lee
I feel like Sarah was supposed to be a bigger character than she eventually became not only was she the only other person from the season to be featured in posters of the game along side clementine she’s also one of the few characters you help constantly as you move forward in the story with her learning how to defend herself, how to control herself and even clementine helping her with her shores showing her she’s not alone but for whatever reason and I feel is a very rushed one they decided to kill her off later in development but it looks like the idea of clementine protecting and showing another kid to survive was liked so they picked up the story with AJ too bad Sarah was sacrificed to get there
8:53 I think it’s misleading because we’re hearing about Sara from her dad, who sounds more like he’s heavily projecting onto her what he thinks of her, as opposed to Sara being neurodivergent. But it is entirely possible that she is and that’s what lead him to be so overprotective
I've noticed a lot of autistic people are babied most of their lives, making them more insecure about being able to function in society, but most of the time they can do it easily. It's just that their parents don't seem to understand that autism ≠ disabled
She’s not. Her traits are a result of a sheltered upbringing. The sudden shock of a loss is due to her not being taught how to properly handle loss.
I have a bias because everyone always goes “the one who is childish/quirky has to be autistic” because it feels like you’re stereotyping autistic people. Plus you can get autism like traits from trauma or other mental disorders.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions Yeah I don't think she's autistic but I do think she definitely had some kind of anxiety, maybe even a panic disorder. Which was most likely the cause of her being sheltered and unable to handle the real world. Either way, it's not her fault.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions mm im not so sure. She's shown a continuous inability to read situations. I.e. info dumping when clementine sneaks in the house and she sees her, and doing the same while Carver is talking later on. She also is unable to piece together the situation around her which leads me to believe there's a learning issue. I think she has a mix of a severe anxiety disorder as well as a learning disability which can make people interpret her symptoms that way even more. I don't think its stereotyping to recognize someone is struggling in life and address how theyre struggling. If someone still believes autistic = childish/weird they are way severely uneducated on the topic anyway and need to research for themselves and show interest if they want to be taken seriously in conversation about it.
@@melodicsatisfactionproductions as a person with autism, I kinda see her being autistic. and I saw myself in her a lot ( without the sheltering thing ) too.
I freakin miss Season 1 so much. It made me realize it was the best writing and story this team had going. Chuck was a real one. He really helped Clem grow. Carlos' overprotectiveness of Sarah was absolutely her downfall. I replayed the games recently and realized I felt bad for Sarah. Thank you for making this video.
Carlos got Sarah killed. He's overprotective, selfish, fearful and had overall bad parenting. Never wanted to teach her to survive or protect herself.
So many people forget about Chuck but if it wasnt for him, Clementine most likely would have died long ago.
Seriously chuck was the real one for the advice he gave Lee, people really don’t realize important that moment was
Sarah is the embodiment of someone who had glimpses of potential and capabilities and is just as capable as any survivor but are watered down because of their parents sheltering behavior to prevent their kid getting " hurt" in the outside world and in this case the apocalyptic world from seeing the violence and brutality of the TWD world
When the irony is that sheltering and preservation of what carlos wanted to keep in Sarah's life is what led to her losing her life where she freezes up either scenario you let her die
Because of the lack of exposure to experience and learning from trial and error
Let this be a lesson
That regardless you get hurt
Either way
But it's better to hurt through confrontation than avoidance
Morally she did nothing wrong, but life literally showed her that being too afraid to live was the wrong choice to make. I was the same age as Sarah when s2 came out, and I related to her heavily up to her death. It was insane seeing one of my self inserts die behind a problem that I have yet to solve in my real life. Like Sarah, I tend to freeze until life makes its decision for me. But seeing her get literally eaten alive for her inaction changed my entire perspective on life. I may not be eager to live, but the alternative doesn’t sound too great either.
Lmao now to watch the vid and see how much of my paragraph was unoriginal
@@zonyae29047 Hey it was relatable to you anyway. That's the great thing about characters like these, makes you think.
I'm honestly so glad to find another person defending Sarah. Everyone always says "Sarah's so annoying" "Sarah deserved to die" "Sarah was such a baby and should've just grown up". Not every child character grows up and becomes a badass like Clem or Carl in TWD TV Series. They were coddled at first during the beginning of the apocalypse but it was thanks to Lee and Rick making those decisions that kept them alive (or until the writers wanted to save money and make a horrendously stupid mistake with Carl). Carlos was selfishly not ready to let go of his little girl and let her become what she needed to become to survive and that greatly harmed her chances of survival. And in the end she dies the same way by either choice: eaten alive by walkers, which is such a horrendous death for an innocent character. Unfortunately, if they aren't given the chance, some kids just don't make it in this world. And that is why I will never hate Sarah.
"you aint little. you aint a girl, a boy, you aint strong or smart. you're alive" this is everything really, in this game and life. you are just a living being, simple as that. you have to survive and do the best you can. regardless of age, gender, etc. it is a combination of luck and skill within chaos and your lived experience to push yourself forward. if you cannot cope with that and find the strength in yourself, it doesn't matter how "good" you are or how much potential you have
I think it's certainly possible that Sarah had autism, but it's harder to wager due to her environment. One particular scene that sticks out to me is when she tries to idly chit-chat with Clementine during Carver's lecture. It's one of the few instances where she fails to socially comprehend that she shouldn't really be talking due to unspoken consequences that would be obvious to everyone else, but not to her specifically. What makes this moment noteworthy to me is that Sarah is forced in a group environment rather than being hidden away by Carlos where she's often left to her own imagination, which makes her social lapse of judgement here all the more damning and inevitable
But due to her environment, it's hard to fully ascertain whether it is autism or whether Sarah's upbringing and group dynamics is the root cause for any perceived social failures on her part
I lean towards Sarah being sheltered as the the main cause of her behaviours as I think she's supposed to be a direct parallel of Clementine and what would have happened to her if Lee didn't prepare her for the world that she was now part of. Two little girls who were absolutely capable of surviving the apocalypse just like anyone else, but only one was given the tools to do so while the other was left in her own comfortable bubble that's a little too easy to pop
Enjoyed the video! I think it's very easy to dislike Sarah if the context to her upbringing is ignored when the entire point of her character was to showcase what would happen to people who were unprepared to live in the apocalypse. She's supposed to be a tragic character because she entered the world at too big of a disadvantage to realistically survive
Well autism doesn’t make people have lapses in judgment and lack social awareness. That’s what being sheltered does. However a lot of ignorant parents would believe their autistic children would need coddling since they view autism as something that inhibits the brain when they ironically are the one doing that to the children by sheltering them.
This creates the phenomenon where a lot of autistic people seemingly don’t know any better and how people will associate these traits with autism when the actual case is that autistic people are typically bard from being independent and social by their parents.
Autism with co-occurrence however is another story.
Well autism doesn't make people have lapses in judgment and lack social awareness. That's what being sheltered does. However a lot of parents would believe their autistic children would need coddling since they view autism as something that inhibits the brain when they ironically are the one doing that to the children by sheltering them.
This creates the phenomenon where a lot of autistic people seemingly don't know any better and how people will associate these traits with autism when the actual case is that autistic people are typically bard from being independent and social by their parents.
Autism with co-occurrence however is another story.
@@idreadFell365 You make a fair point, which is why I concluded that I believe Sarah’s more representative of a sheltered child in my comment as boiling down all of her failures to autism is frankly a really ableist thing to do
I brought up that Carver scene specifically because it’s the closest example I could think of on the top of my head that might be indicative of any traits suggesting she might have autism. But it could also just be an example of Sarah being a normal teenage girl with no awareness of the gravity of her situation. Like I said it’s harder to tell specifically because diagnosing girls with autism is infinitely harder. Add in the context of Sarah’s upbringing and her environment and it’s impossible to tell
@@idreadFell365autism does make people lack social awareness? Its in the dsm5
@@playdoh658 I don’t give a damn if it’s in this dSm5. If you think that way about autism because it’s in the DsM5, that means autism shouldn’t be there. A lapse in judgment on the allistic’s part.
Sarah needed a father like Lee, not Carlos. It sucks because no matter what choices you make, we as the player can't save her.
I always never understood why she was hated, because Sarah was raised sheltered in a world where she has no opportunity too grow where growth and adapting is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Her father was too overprotective so she couldn't grow mentally and had to rely on others she acts how so she was raised
If you coddle a child during an apocalypse like that, they will die.
I’ll never understand why Carlos actively put his daughter in danger by fleeing Carver’s group just to help Rebecca give birth.
Sarah is a good demonstration of what Clem could have been if Lee didn’t teach her how to survive
Sarah is one example of what could realistically happen to people during a zombie pandemic, specially teenagers and young adults. She displays symptoms of general anxiety disorder (not autism), so she's naturally pre-disposed to not react well to stressful situations.
Taking into account that medication is out of the picture here (just general antibiotics and basic stuff are hard enough to come by) the only way for her to harden up would be exposure to reality, with a figure to guide her emotionally and little by little attempt to take her sense of duty to herself to grow and with LOTS of luck, she could become independent, but still, she is WAY different than Clementine, she already has the anxiety disorder, so it would be a matter of a daily fight.
For a supposed "doctor", Carlos didn't even take into account the psychological damage Sarah was being subjected too. It all came crashing and she didn't even realize she was dying in her final moments I bet (more noticeable in the van if left abandoned). Just absolute terror as your feel pain all over just because your own father didn't let you accept reality.
Many wannabe heroes out there need to take into account the psychological damage into account in scenarios like this. I really like Sarah, it's a wake-up slap of a character that shows what could truly happen if you don't work on yourself little by little even before something big happens. (Just look at the Covid pandemic, that alone caused enough distress as it was).
Seeing Lee with little Clem brought instant tears I wasn’t even expecting.
Sarah didn’t know any better and her only chance for growth was through Clem. Thank you for your analysis!
Honestly I had mixed feelings for Sarah in the beginning: after getting captured and imprisoned she specifically tells Clementine “I don’t want Reggie to get in trouble” so she *knows* what behaviour is expected of her in that moment, but then she has no problem chatting away and potentially getting them both in trouble the next day?
But mainly I feel bitter that Clem teaching her how to hold a gun was all for nought. When the Walkers came during Rebecca’s labour I thought she would step up and help protect Rebecca but no, damned deck broke and the Walkers get her anyway no matter what you choose, she never even held a gun again so what was the point?
Was it sad that she died the way she did? Definitely. But how she died was also realistic: people like her, by I mean the innocent, naive kind, though I suspected she was autistic from the first meeting (I’m an Aspie, some of her behaviours are familiar), are often the first to go. One thing I’ll always give to TWD is it isn’t afraid to show children are easy prey
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Back when this released and everyone was playing it, I kept seeing Sarah get blamed for stuff she had zero control over, or blatantly lying about her character. At the time people called her stupid and weak, but SHE WAS LITERALLY A CHILD! Her father sheltered her, lied to her, and babied her to the point of obliviousness. Hell, I WEPT when she died, cuz I related to her so much.
Sarah, like the rest of the fanbase says, had so much potential to be a survivor just like Clem. They could’ve been two best friends facing the unknown together.
But sadly, that was tossed aside and she was just another faceless victim to the undead.
Thank you for this video. ❤
Honestly I feel bad for her because of the way others treat her I don't know if this is said in the game but to me she definitely seems to be Neurodivergent coded and everyone treats her like she's a pet or a lesser person or something
Feeling nostalgic about the games and it was right then I found your channel, love your videos!
As an autistic person, it’s more than just her anxiety. It’s her lack of taking care of herself, and losing it all once her father dies. He was her primary caregiver, and considering the language they use, I’m not surprised if Sarah had executive function disorder (not an actual disorder, but it is a more accurate name to the symptoms of ADHD, and my words escaped me to explain it), and genuinely could NOT take care of herself. It may be why she’s so sheltered, or fed into it. Either way, she had some flavor of a disability, and as an autistic person, I related heavily to Sarah.
When I was younger, I disliked Sarah, but now, as an adult, I see her as a baby in need
It's interesting because Sarah is a direct reflection of what Clementine might've ended up like had she not been prepared for survival in the apocalypse. It's sad that people don't realize it wasn't her fault, but the adults around her
I think this comments section is actually missing the point of Carlos entirely here. Did Carlos fail Sarah? Yes, he did. However, that doesn't mean Carlos is selfish or did it for his own peace of mind. That doesn't seem right to me.
Place yourself in the shoes of Carlos. You're a parent in the apocalypse, you have nobody left except your teen daughter to protect, and you've seen the horrors of the apocalypse firsthand. Sarah is as innocent as they come, he didn't want to her lose that. Yes, it's shortsighted and was detrimental, but can you truly blame a parent for wanting to maintain that innocence in such a fucked up world? We've all had moments where our parents still acted like we were the pint-sized toddlers they used to have to baby and coddle. We've seen it in media too, parents see their kids as the young babies they were born as for as long as possible. Yeah, as the kid it can be pretty annoying, but we all know the power of nostalgia for days long passed.
And we have to remember, in the Walking Dead universe, zombie flicks were never a thing if I recall correctly, so there's no set standard on how to act during a zombie apocalypse, hence why no one calls zombies "zombies". The term doesn't exist. Every character thought the apocalypse would blow over in Season 1, obviously as a viewer we know that's nonsense and it would take much longer for society to return to any sense of normalcy, but we have to remember the knowledge that the characters possess, not what we the player know in hindsight.
You say people are missing the point, then say that Carlos isn't selfish, then proceed to explain exactly why he's selfish lol
@@littlemoth4956 Being selfish is different from being protective. To be selfish would mean he’s doing what he does for his own interests first and foremost, which is simply not the case. He was extremely over-protective, but it was for (in his mind) Sarah’s sake.
i absolutely agree, i don't really like carlos, but i understand him
@@sirnetflix7162You can ABSOLUTELY be both selfish and protective- Carlos sacrificed Sarah's long term wellbeing in order to ease his own fears.
Its the same idea as never taking the training wheels off your kid's bike, because it would be too upsetting to you, as the parent, to see them fall.
This is basically the basis of helicopter parenting, and in a zombiepocalypse, it kills.
An explanation is not an excuse. What he did was beyond the pale, especially when Clementine came into the picture, modeling a self-sufficient, capable girl to him, and giving Sarah a peer to grow alongside.
Honestly, it wouldn't have mattered if Carlos tried to teach Sarah how the world worked in the zombie apocalypse. It's obvious that Sarah is mentally challenged, and while she may have some small grasp on how dangerous the world around her now was, she wouldn't have been able to hone the skills to survive on her own and would forever rely on others to protect her (and we've seen in the game proper how much of a liability she is in high stress situations).
While Carlos is an idiot for not at least trying to teach Sarah how to survive in the zombie apocalypse; in the end, it wouldn't have amounted to much.
I absolutely HATE that Sarah got killed off. It was so goddamn lazy, she easily could've been saved and kept on as a character to grow over time. It feels like they has ideas and then went "yknow what? fuck it, kill her off." I'm not even kidding when I say that killing her off genuinely made me drop the games entirely after I finished season 2. It was just so *lazy* and poorly done. The whole thing with Jane and Luke's bullshit was also a contributing factor, it made me grow a high amount of distaste for the game. Everything about near the end of S2 genuinely killed my affection for the series.
Honestly its a fundamental flaw in the CYOA games especially when its broken up in seasons that bill themselves as having ' life or death decisions where your choices matter', they really don't because writing, voicing, designing and animating a character costs money. The moment they give us a choice that could kill someone the writers start writing around them instead of with them because they've already committed to the idea they don't need this character anymore to keep the story moving otherwise there'd be a game over screen.
How many times is it where they gave us a choice to save someone only to kill them anyway or they linger around in the background get one or two scenes in focus before we find them dead later? From a design standpoint putting a focus on life or death choices typically just leads to an unavoidable body count and tons of wasted potential.
The best we could hope for is an optional sidequest, an easter egg or in rare cases the writers will just snatch the choice back and say they somehow survived.
Fantastic video! 💯 I feel like Sarah is very important to the overall story because she represents what would have happened if Lee didn't train Clem. The death of Sarah also motivates Clem to train AJ. Sarah's story is essential for illustrating why parents must prepare their children for the future.
I think it would’ve been interesting if Sarah didn’t die and become like the groups doctor or something. Like healing people of their injuries/illness.
As while she isn’t much of a fighter like Clem. She still helpful in her own way and she still wanna learn how to survive. I also think they should’ve added to her trait is her having a goal of wanting her loves ones not just surviving but also to live.
As she’ll be the heart/hope of the group that everybody needs in these dark times.
Man that would’ve been amazing.
Edit: also another reason why I think she’s dislike is because she’s realistic and not a “super badass who’s dead inside” and stuff like that
This honestly is what could have happened to Clem if Lee hadn't taught her to protect herself (also his doing so came following advice from chuck, so he also deserves recognition for that). Sarah was sort of a burden from a survivalist perspective but (as was said) that was entirely the fault of Carlos, not her.
I’m pretty sure that no one REALLY hates Sarah it’s just the idea of having someone who’s such a liability in the worst of times but no one can blame her for being sheltered and it even annoys the people who have a good conscience to make the decision of “she’s a liability but if I don’t save her then half my party’s gonna be mad at me” and also If anything rewatching Walking Dead showed me it’s that not always siding with Kenny really shows his true colors.
I loved this video. I always thought her story was so tragic and I was so upset when she ended up dying anyway, despite how hard Clementine tried to save her 😭
Sarah did literally nothing wrong. Not everyone is going to be fit to be a survivalist or fighter. Everyone is striving for a world of peace so people like Ben and Sarah can flourish.
This should be common sense. Alas, the neckbeards feign otherwise
When I played this game back when it came out, I did my best to help, and teach her to use a weapon to protect herself since her father was coddling her. It’s not her fault, her father didn’t teach her survival skills, so I wanted to help her overcome the situation. But I remember so much hate from the fanbase. It honestly felt so disgusting how people just wanted her to die and didn’t feel bad at all for leaving her in the trailer. She’s still a child for goodness sakes. We see Clem is more competent then the adults in this game but that only because she had Lee to teach her, and because the writing sucks this season. Maybe it’s makes people forget how difficult it would be for a child who didn’t get to learn.
But what even worse is the writers still kill her off in such a disrespectful way even if you try your best to help. It felt like either they were listening to the haters or just making poor decisions (season 2 is just absolutely terrible written anyway). It’s even possible she had some kind of disability so it’s even worse that people were unsympathetic to her.
I have autism, Asperger's syndrome, in my opinion, Sarah Weak, because she was emotionally attached to her father, she watched the teacher and because of the trauma, she could not move, "sometimes it is better for a child to cut in order to become strong."
I do agree that Sarah is weak but it’s mostly because Carlos made her that way. Back then (both when the game was released and especially in the early 2000s where the game is set), it was much more common to coddle autistic children because people didn’t think they could live a normal life without extra help. That is true for some cases of autism, but from the little we see of Sarah, that probably wasn’t the case.
Asperger’s is an outdated term and so is this mindset. This kid wasn’t weak, she was emotionally unprepared for the apocalypse and possibly had something that caused her to process pain differently (autism, anxiety, developmental disabilities, etc.)
Just a thought, maybe they'd have more of a plotline going forward had they left Sarah alive instead of killing off characters every episode for the plot 😐. Sarah had potential for being a major character in the series and I think it would have made the series feel more real if they hadn't killed her off in season 2... We all love a character with background and actual importance in any game, she could have been a good friend to clementine later on or even having more of a shocking change like Lily did.
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Sarah is the best example of all the wasted potential in season 2. In a perfect world, she would have gotten an arc where she learned to survive on her own with Clem's help. Instead all of Carlos's attempts to protect her getting her killed.
No she wasn't similar to Ben because that dude was final destination level worst , Sarah was just a weak of character Carlos shouldn't had baby her in a world as violent as the walking dead
The only person sarah got killed was arguably Reggie, and honestly screw Reggie. Ben caused the entire downfall of the motel group, and then the crawford group.
Carley/Doug, Katjaa, Duck, Chuck, Brie. All Bens fault.
Sorry Ben, you lost your chance at a merciful end the second you abandoned clementine in the streets to save your own worthless hide.
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@@sasaki999pro its crazy how one teenage can cause massive damage in two ep's worst then main end game villain.
@@sasaki999pro Sarah was not responsible for Reggie's demise - that was entirely on Carver and his lack of patience/tolerance. Sarah was, however, directly responsible for getting Saria killed. While Sarah screaming was understandable (who wouldn't when seeing their father killed, eaten by zombies) her screams did draw the attention of the walkers, forcing the others to fight for their lives while she ran off.
Oh she totally didn't. I'm shocked this is even a argument. She's a sheltered innocent kid who did nothing wrong it was no where near her fault, it's also the writers just absolutely hating her. She could have totally been saved in the 2nd situation but they send the person down who didn't even WANT to save her in the first place then a plank comes out of nowhere and hits her on the head. It's almost looney tunnish bad luck.
thank you for this!! what is with people hating every flaw of these characters? these survivors are realistic people, they're meant to be unlikeable for a reason. that's the reason why they're alive
I really feel bad for her. I think if her father and the others hadn't lied to her so much and had taught her how to survive, she could have been good at defending herself, she showed that she could do it sometimes.
Her father tried to protect her, but in the long run it only hurt her. Seriously, what did Carlos expect from that? He should have known something was going to happen and Sarah needed to protect herself, she couldn't stay a child forever (and she's a teen).
love this video alot. its great, i was hoping youd cover sarah :)
i think shes wrongly demonised and it makes me really sad to see people treat her this way :( esp if she is implied to be mentally ill (anxiety disorder) i feel like the fandom treats her so horribly and its really unfair, shes not to blame for anything and people expecting a 'perfect society' and lees everywhere (as in great people who can defend themselves and everyone) are so cruel to characters who cant be perfect like her
not only is carlos sheltering her but there are other factors (like her anxiety disorder, if it is confirmed) that make it debilitating for her to survive in this world and so much harder. ppl dont give her the respect she deserves and dont try to understand her, they just blame her for being 'incompetent' which i think is ridiculous. its like the exact thing crawford demonstrated NOT to do, if youre going to treat everyone as burdens and mouths to feed it will backfire on you. a bit of humanity is needed to properly comprehend the characters
if anyone is to blame for how she is, its carlos because he constantly sheltered sarah and didnt try to give her any leeway. he poorly treated her and didnt know how to parent her, and she suffered for this. i think shes a very misunderstood and overhated character for near to no reason, all because people cant comprehend that she is different to others and that her circumstances actively failed her. she deserved so much better
I honestly believe that Sarah is basically a representation of S1 clementine would've become if lee and chuck didn't teach her how to survive in the apocalypse.
As a kid i hated sarah and gladly left her to die but as a adut i see that it wasn't her fault at all and that her father caused her downfall
Yeah, people hate her and i always say blame her father and in her life threatening situations, people say leave her when i know we all want to be saved if we where in her shoes
Everything that happened to Sarah is because of Carlos… he coddled that girl way too much. She was 15 more than capable to understand what’s happening in the world. I’m not saying he shouldn’t protect his daughter but while protecting her he should have taught her how to protect herself.
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After hearing the speech, Chuck became my fifth favorite character in season one.
Maturing is realizing that there's nothing wrong with Sarah's actions and behavior. Heck, I would admit that in an apocalyptic situation, I would most likely act or respond similarly to Sarah. I'd probably panic and get scared too.
Carlos taught her to be naive in the real world, preventing her from seeing the harsh reality. Now look at how she has turned out..
He should've been aware that he won't always be there to protect her. He should've taught her how to survive the apocalypse, just like Lee did for Clem.
if I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the writers really enjoyed the scene where Sarah dies in Season 2, I think the scene where she gets stuck under the deck? Now, of course, this was like a decade ago now, maybe a bit less, so I may be completely misremembering it, but if I am correct, then it just paints a pretty weird picture of the folks who worked on Season 2.
Always thought Sarah's story was odd. She had potential to grow and become a pretty cool character, even if she were to die in the end, but what they did to hear, ultimately, was needlessly cruel. No growth, no progression, she either dies in complete shock, Clementine failing to save her/abandoning her or she dies screaming for her dad, under some wooden wreckage. Such a waste of potentially good writing if they just tried.
When my older brother and I played this game and pretty much interacted with Sarah throughout the game when we play as Clementine we were trying to steer Sarah away from the situation. The main person who was the biggest problem was Carlos he failed horribly and the zombie problem even made the situation worse for Sarah.
I don’t need to see the whole video to know I agree. She is literally a girl who was sheltered from everything for years, of course she won’t be adjusted to anything the world is like.
THANK YOU for making a Sarah video!! I've been thinking about making an In Defense of Sarah video forever!!
Damn Sarah. Could have been so much if her dad didn’t hold her back (Also Telltale Writing Lol). Clem would have been an important role model to her even though she is younger than Sarah cuz of Lee’s lessons and her experience surviving on her own and with Christa, Omid, etc.
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I'm so glad you're talking about this. I was so confused when people said they hated Sarah when it's extremely obvious she was very sheltered & purposely kept in the dark.
I remember a few times where we had to help Clem in the first game because she’s a child in the apocalypse. Sarah is a child also, so I always tried to help her best I could
I really loved Sarah, i really wished she had a redemption arc in episodes 4 and 5., clementine teaching her how to survive, and enduring to survive like her Father Carlos would. However, with it being the in the TWD universe it is totally inevitable that somethings don't live forever and not everyone lives.
I dont think Sarah was even directly responsible for anybody's death in the season. I think the only argument that could be made was either Nick's (if he survived to episode 4) and Sarita's, but even those feel like a stretch.
Clementine was also incredibly sheltered in Season 1, but she had practical guidance outside Lee long before Chuck came up. Sarah, despite having lived under social darwinist Carver long before Clementine came and with a wide array of adults who could have taught her basic survival in the same vein other adults got involved with Duck's foolhardiness and filled the gap for Lee's lack of parenting experience, didn't get her ready for the world. Sarah isn't just a "little girl", her obedience and anxiety are outright pathological. Even pre-Chuck Clementine rushed to squeeze into small spaces due to being the only one who fit and helped keep the peace whenever Ben screwed up.
Sarah isn't just "sheltered" and it's not Carlos's fault; she has special needs. When I heard the "she isn't like you" comment I too took offense on behalf of Clementine, as a "what do you take me for?", but Sarah doesn't function on par with a 15yo or even the 12yo she must have been during the outbreak. Compare her to Becca, the "400 Days" girl her age who was also sheltered by her sister Shel. Becca acts like a typical teenager, trying t mimic the hardened brutality of Roman while clearly being scared out of her mind and dependent on Shel. Sarah functions below the 8yo level Clementine was at when Lee first met her. It might not be autism but developmental delay. If you notice her height and figure, or lack thereof, she looks more along the 12-13 range, especially when you consider how petite Clementine is. I agree that whatever is wrong with her doesn't seem to be autism, especially since she can read Clem's expression, but there IS SOMETHING wrong with her. Sarah was doomed from the day of the outbreak, Carlos managed to delay the inevitable for almost 4 years.
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Carlos and TT writers are the only to blame for Sarah's death 😔
Sarah could've had a lot of potential if Telltale knew how to write characters that aren't the main characters one thing i saw is someone doing an alternate story where Sarah finally grows up after her fathers death and actually survives the game with Clementine
You seem to see Autism as an insult. Theyre still capable. It's understandable to think they hinted to AS. She show sign of it and anxiety is normal, its not specifically an disorder
It really depends on where they place on the spectrum Sarah seems to have the mind of a child even clem finds it bizarre how childish she is when Sarah was 15 and clem was 11 the autism didn’t help her chances of survival and Carlos parenting made it even worse
Homie autism is a spectrum. Some people straight up can't function in society and it's not wrong to say that, in fact they deserve compassion and help. Sarah definitely has autism
Having anxiety can be linked to autism.
@@JohnWall-lj1mx Even with that though, many autistic people who "seem to have the mind of a child" can still be very capable of survival and to a degree, some independence, even in high stress situations, so long as they have enough support and knowlage.
I'd know cause I met and became well acquainted with many. One, a grown lady, even managed to learn to ride the bus and understand bus schedules, people are very capable of many things even if they aren't capable at all of others.
In my opinion, Sarah likely would've been very capable of taking care of herself and even other's by her current age if she weren't raised to be almost codependent to her dad, sure she'd be childish, immature, maybe even still highly underestimate the severity of situations, but I can see her being fully capable of many things if only she was given the chance and not just constantly pushed to keep following her dad.
I've actually used to be in a very similar place to her a few years ago and I didn't think I'd get to where I am now.
People can also just have anxiety.
I agree with the idea that Sarah wasn't really to blame for how she was. She was sheltered on top of being a little mentally ill, not like in a bad way but she presents a few symptoms to make possible she's either on the spectrum or suffering from a mild form of mental illness. The apocalypse has been going on for about 2-3 yrs by the time we get to this group Clementine was 9 by the end of season one, and somewhat sure she was 11 when talking to Bonnie. Sarah was around 16 when we met so around 13 when this all started, so prior to that there was 13 yrs where Carlos could have been raising her as an overly sheltered child or she does indeed have mild autism, based on the dialogue they're not one to openly say someone is autistic, looking at Duck, everyone knew he was a little off but no one says anything specifically about what's wrong with him even though you can see it.
Sarah had a lot of similar mannerisms, she could have mild retardation, autism, Asperger's, everyone has a specific image of what each condition looks like but it's very apparent she was mentally unwell for awhile and Carlos keeping her in the dark about the world ending only added to what was already an issue.
Plus had this been just brought on by the walkers and everything going on, someone like Rebecca would have no patience for that the way she carries on at everyone else. Yet she's beyond sweet to Sarah. If the meanest b+tch in the group goes out of her way to be nice to someone for seemingly no reason, odds are she's a little special to be treated so gently.
I would LOVE to hear your take on Lilly as a character, she was one of my favorites in season 1 and I personally think the way she was taken in season 4 and how she was treated was not only one of the biggest wasted opportunities telltale has made, ever
But also
One of the most money hungry ones. It almost feels like they realized Lilly was a face the fans hated, and they were desperate for money since they were going bankrupt, so they plastered her in s4 and made her a sort of punching bag for players to constantly return back to due to rage-bait
Nah man, Lilly wanted to prevent Carley & Glenn from saving your group when you first arrived in Macon. in ep 3, she backstabbed Lee if you had taken her into the van. She was already becoming a darker character. Lee did not let his past crime define who he is but Lilly after shooting Carley/Doug was already becoming a darker character.
Thinking about how better s2 would have been if your small decisions made a difference like teaching Sarah to shoot
Tore me up a lil when Sarah was killed the way she was. She was innocent in a f'd up world. Yeah her father should have taught her better, but she didn't deserve to go out that way. Season 2 was so traumatic! EVERYBODY died in Clem's group. No one survived! Except AJ and whoever you left with at the end of S2
2:40 I don't blame Carlos, look at her, she isnt Made for that world
Clem wasn't either. No kid was, but they simply had to...
Everything she did/didn’t do wasn’t her fault but doesn’t mean I like her character, I like her AS a character, she’s a good representation of what could’ve happened to Clementine if Lee didn’t take Chuck’s advice, but I don’t like her because of the purpose she serves within the game, which is ultimately nothing besides another character to die and really not doing anything to benefit the group
just imagine if sara survived and wed see her in season 3 and 4 where she grew up from being sheltered to badass like clem and they would take care of AJ together man what a missed potential
I personally loved Sarah being included in the story. It really did feel like a mirror to what Clementine was and how their journey's through the outbreak moulded them, even in such a short space of time.
Lee knew he had to make sure she knew what to do and how to handle herself whereas Carlos didn't even think to try. At the very least, Sarah had an anxiety disorder which was only further worsened by Carlos' passing. I feel like he had her living a sheltered life prior to the apocalypse but doubled down when the Walkers hit, not realizing it would only make things worse for the poor girl.
I feel like a lot of the hate Sarah got was because at this point, Clementine had already mostly got a handle of being a survivor and it became what was expected - almost everyone we come across is already equipped for the new world. the playerbase forget that there are kids in the world that are, well, still kids.
Sometimes shows and games can make you forget that characters can still be human. Sarah was living a normal life and thought she was still living one even during the apocalypse. Carlos put his daughters perfect reality over what was actually happening and only planned for if he was around which wasn't the case. If Lee never got advice from Chuck about how Clementine needed to know how to take care of herself she could've ended up just like Sarah.
Sarah was sheltered and autistic, blaming her shows a lack of empathy imo
It wasn’t her fault she died. Luke got frisky with Jane resulting in the walkers ambushing them. Not to mention if Luke prioritized Rebecca more, Sarah wouldn’t have died.
I don't think autism makes someone immune to criticism, though.
@@iBleed_RoyLty4368 Of course it doesn’t but that explains her actions though and why her father coddled her. Back then, hardly anybody knew much about autism, let alone how it affected girls.
Walking dead fans aren't the smartest
@@iBleed_RoyLty4368criticism for what
It breaks my heart to see Sarah die no matter what you say or do. Carlos had no backup plans or survival tips, and once he’s gone she doesn’t even last 24 hours without him. I feel so sorry for her.
Well only one problem i have with her is cut the tree thing,otherwise i can understand why she is panicked ,scared and can't get over suddenly.
You should do Alvin or Rebecca next!!😁
Honestly thinking about it more, they could have taken Sarah's character in a very interesting direction and caused multiple people to live longer because of it. Because if in the ski lodge when you first meet up with Kenny, there could have been an option to confront Carlos about how he is raising. Sarah and can he will tell Carlos about what happened to duck in turn making him rethink his actions. So maybe once they get to escaping The Walker herd. Sarah isn't as scared because Carlos would have prepared her a little bit. It wasn't a lot of time but enough to slightly prepare her and would make such a more interesting way for the story to develop than just Carlos dies Sarah gets scared and then Sarah dies
Sarah's death is the only one that hit me and I still grieve her. IT'S A GAME WHY DO I DO THIS?! T_T I needed her to be alive!!!!
I wish the game gave us the option to be Chuck figure to Carlos and convince him to prepare Sarah how to survive, when by the time Carlos died, Sarah would get some of the basics down for Clementine to help Sarah after Carlos's death.
Breaks my heart that you can't save Sarah, when i first played Season 2 i tried my best to make sure she'd live. Wasted potential.