Looking forward to future deep dives as mentioned :) Thanks! I'm personally quite excited, despite losing all my nicely converted mounted citadel guard archers and Beregond to the void.
Thanks, we'll see what we can get published soon! As for Beregond, don't worry, he should be back with the third book! (Although possibly without his horse sadly)
Great video guys! Nice to see such positivity about the new addition, I'm really looking forward to it. Unfortunately I don't have the books yet but I noticed in a leaked profile the dwarf King now has different states depending on the faction key word they get , don't know if its in the hobbit armies book but it seems to me dwarves might get a list like the realms of men where you can take dwarf kings with warriors from different factions, if this is the case then that is by far the army im most looking forward to! Hopefully we'll get that in the armies of middle earth book
Great video, keeping a positive spin on s not so positive developement. While we’re transitioning from having a wide array of options for army building to a pool of 70-100 predefined lists, the reality is much worse than it seems. Most of these narrowly defined lists won’t even work at every point level, so the actual selection is laughably small. Once the community figures out which lists have the most overpowered bonus rules, you’ll end up seeing the same few lists over and over at tournaments. Sure, the specific lists might vary slightly depending on the points level, but the end result is the same: variation will be almost non-existent, and the game will get stale and boring faster than ever.
Thanks, and yes I do see people's point, we have had a step backwards in terms of what is possible in list building at the moment. The question is whether the other improvements, and the upcoming book(s), will remedy that, we think there's a really good chance they will, and really hope everyone comes out happy in the end. Personally I really trust the overall judgement of the core rules writing team, GW's communications strategy, perhaps not.
It seems to me like the competitive players are going to be the most hurt by the army lists. At the same time I wonder how important competitive players are for driving sales and building a player base? I say that because I remember how privateer press changed their rules to allow measurement before actions were taken and the reasoning they gave was that the competitive players didn't like having to guess if they could complete a charge or not. I also remember war machine kind of going downhill after that. I don't know food for thought.
Worth noting that Rivendell Elves (and Galadhrim, for that matter) actually can take shield and sword. One of the very few instances that they have allowed something that the models don't. Also, GW themselves have said that Armies of Middle Earth will both bring some new lists and slot new profiles into the lists in these two books.
If you're interested in Isengard as a thematic list, it's absolutely a great starting point, the groups of Uruk Hai are solid, and Saruman looks like a great caster this edition (plus a lovely model). And if you can find it elsewhere even cheaper it's a real bargain.
Great video guys! Nice to see such positivity about the new addition, I'm really looking forward to it. Unfortunately I don't have the books yet but I noticed in a leaked profile the dwarf King now has different states depending on the faction key word they get , don't know if its in the hobbit armies book but it seems to me dwarves might get a list like the realms of men where you can take dwarf kings with warriors from different factions, if this is the case then that is by far the army im most looking forward to! Hopefully we'll get that in the armies of middle earth book
Thanks! Our aim isn't to take a particular stance on any of this, we're genuinely really excited for a new edition and everything it'll bring, but acknowledging that it's a period of adjustment for a lot of folks and that's going to be a pain! Dwarfs (like Humans) do look like they have a list where they can be lead by 'Kings' which could be super interesting!
I just want to see whoever draws the short straw tell sauron that he's not allowed to take catapults in his army.
Sounds like a good time to draw straws 😅
Looking forward to future deep dives as mentioned :) Thanks!
I'm personally quite excited, despite losing all my nicely converted mounted citadel guard archers and Beregond to the void.
Thanks, we'll see what we can get published soon! As for Beregond, don't worry, he should be back with the third book! (Although possibly without his horse sadly)
@StridingEdgeGames I very much doubt his horse will return sadly. Focusing on working on some new stuff.
3 Rulebooks were made for the people, but they were all deceived, for there was a 4th rulebook an armybook to rule them all.
brilliant!
Yea! Where can I find the list for angmar? I’m just getting into it and my new army manual doesnt include those stats and lists…
@ new FAQ posted for angmar few days ago
Hopefully it really will rule! :D
Great video guys! Nice to see such positivity about the new addition, I'm really looking forward to it.
Unfortunately I don't have the books yet but I noticed in a leaked profile the dwarf King now has different states depending on the faction key word they get , don't know if its in the hobbit armies book but it seems to me dwarves might get a list like the realms of men where you can take dwarf kings with warriors from different factions, if this is the case then that is by far the army im most looking forward to! Hopefully we'll get that in the armies of middle earth book
Great video, keeping a positive spin on s not so positive developement.
While we’re transitioning from having a wide array of options for army building to a pool of 70-100 predefined lists, the reality is much worse than it seems. Most of these narrowly defined lists won’t even work at every point level, so the actual selection is laughably small. Once the community figures out which lists have the most overpowered bonus rules, you’ll end up seeing the same few lists over and over at tournaments. Sure, the specific lists might vary slightly depending on the points level, but the end result is the same: variation will be almost non-existent, and the game will get stale and boring faster than ever.
I second this statement
Thanks, and yes I do see people's point, we have had a step backwards in terms of what is possible in list building at the moment. The question is whether the other improvements, and the upcoming book(s), will remedy that, we think there's a really good chance they will, and really hope everyone comes out happy in the end. Personally I really trust the overall judgement of the core rules writing team, GW's communications strategy, perhaps not.
for an hour long show, it would be great if you guys added markers so new viewers could skip to the parts they wanted to hear about.
a wizard is never late!
It seems to me like the competitive players are going to be the most hurt by the army lists. At the same time I wonder how important competitive players are for driving sales and building a player base? I say that because I remember how privateer press changed their rules to allow measurement before actions were taken and the reasoning they gave was that the competitive players didn't like having to guess if they could complete a charge or not. I also remember war machine kind of going downhill after that. I don't know food for thought.
Since they have come out with new sculpts for WAR of the Rohirrim, are we going to see new sculpts game wide?
We really hope so, new Riders of Rohan would be great!
Worth noting that Rivendell Elves (and Galadhrim, for that matter) actually can take shield and sword. One of the very few instances that they have allowed something that the models don't.
Also, GW themselves have said that Armies of Middle Earth will both bring some new lists and slot new profiles into the lists in these two books.
Ah that's really interesting! Something to keep an eye on for sure!
Can you point out where they said so? I want to spread the words to my community!
I notice that your pile of old edition supplements is missing a few books! 🙂
Haha yes, some were elsewhere for filming, and some we are still hunting for!
Do you think Isengard Battlehost is a good place to start in MESBG 2025? I have never played a wargame before.
Thanks a lot :)
If you're interested in Isengard as a thematic list, it's absolutely a great starting point, the groups of Uruk Hai are solid, and Saruman looks like a great caster this edition (plus a lovely model). And if you can find it elsewhere even cheaper it's a real bargain.
Pelenor 2: Imrahil Boogaloo
GW uses new editions to force people to buy new books with slight changes.
Yeah but the sheep jump on it like flies on a turd and are happy with a lesser product because reasons? 😂
Great video guys! Nice to see such positivity about the new addition, I'm really looking forward to it.
Unfortunately I don't have the books yet but I noticed in a leaked profile the dwarf King now has different states depending on the faction key word they get , don't know if its in the hobbit armies book but it seems to me dwarves might get a list like the realms of men where you can take dwarf kings with warriors from different factions, if this is the case then that is by far the army im most looking forward to! Hopefully we'll get that in the armies of middle earth book
Thanks! Our aim isn't to take a particular stance on any of this, we're genuinely really excited for a new edition and everything it'll bring, but acknowledging that it's a period of adjustment for a lot of folks and that's going to be a pain! Dwarfs (like Humans) do look like they have a list where they can be lead by 'Kings' which could be super interesting!