Clash of the Titans - Sonax Perfect Finish vs Scholl S20 Black
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- Today we compare 2 marketing leading single stage abrasive compounds. Sonax Finish Versus Scholl S20 Black...
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Hi John, just wanted to say a massive thank you for your vids, first polish completed on my wife’s black bmw 120d, da pro machine and scholl s20 with a green hex pad (as recommended by you) and the result is superb! I prepped with some Ag tar remover and clay mitt both of which did a great job, finished it off with some R222 wax! Keep up the brilliant work !
I’ve been an advocate of PF for some time and had some doubts when you gave it a less than favourable review in your finishing polishes test, I’m glad you’ve now discovered its real potential. I combine it with Rupes yellow or white pads and it does the job on just about all paint types. Thanks for a great review.
Thank you for detailed review and comparison. It really helps with the product selection.
Videos like this are what make your channel great Jon! Keep up the good work. I've been using the S20 but I think for my next correction I'll get some PF just to try it out.
Great video Jon, really fair testing (as always) and a surprise result (at least for me). Thanks again!
Hi all got the sonax profiline out to correct a few scratches on my mother's Daytona grey Audi, some where relatively deep and the pad l used was a well used chemical guys green Quantum gone gone... And the finish is stunning, glass like sonax profiline from now on.... Can't believe the finish this has left, didn't work it as long either this time around, the perfect finish indeed
I freaking love your stuff, and been watching from quite some time now. I'm always amazed of how good you are about product and testing compared to what everyone else is doing on youtube. Car craft auto detailing is upthere with you, but his videos tends to be 40-60min complete correction videos and can't spend that much time. keep doing what you are doing and above, the channel keeps growing and growing.
thanks for the kind words, I dont always get it right or hit the bullseye but the intent is always good. Thats something thats important to me and one of the reasons I got my considerable fat ass in front of the camera. Means a lot when you hear peeps say things like this.
I really like sandros channel, comes accross as a great guy and his content is high quality.
I hope you realize how much useful information you're able to give to the viewer, and hope its motivates you to keep putting "your fat ass in front of the camera".
You might don't get this often but quite often i laugh so hard to your jokes or way of talking, it's just priceless to me when these moments happened.
Cheers mate
Great work done! The S20 is a product i really like, my first impressions of the Sonax was not that great so it sits on the shelf but i will give it another go now :) Im trying out Tac system Refinish Ultra right now and quite impressed with it, you should give it a go! Cheers from Sweden!
Sonax Cut & Finish is even better than perfect finish. Tried it on black paint and it resulted in amazing gloss with bit more cut than perfect finish, and with zero dusting. Sonax abrasives altogether are amazing and worth every penny. Great review!
Hi John,
Love your real world “HonestJohn” approach. Never understood how you haven’t reviewed Angelwax Perfect Polish.
Love from scotland 🏴
Great comparison video Jon. Have taken a note of Sonax Perfect Finish as one to consider when my 1 litre of S20 runs out.
Yo B. let me know what you think mate. very nice stuff.. just the price :(
They’re the two polishes I use. I did a one step with S20 last year on my car and the same with Perfect Finish this year. Both great products which I would have little to separate them. I though Perfect Finish had the edge. So glad you tested them both in the usual high standard only found on this channel👍
I think it does have an edge in terms of the window range.. so more cut and higher gloss. Its also lighter to buff.
S20 is still fantastic and I think it has the edge in terms of working times and value for money perhaps.. It really is hard to seperate them but going through the criteria in the video.. PF edged it, although that price hurts a bit.. ::) cheers Chris.
Thanks for sharing the solid input.
Cheers,
A Belgian.
Hi Chris. What would be your recommendation for using a compound before the perfect finish. I can't seem to find the sonax polishing/compound stages.
@@Tops1212 ...check out the Autopia Polish Chart Comparison. It rates the level of cut of several polishing compounds from least abrasive to most aggressive.
I stumbled on your channel a few days ago & have been binge watching ever since! Love it! As someone new to machine polishing can you offer any advice on how to safely approach high spots? I'm going to be taking the DA & a bottle of Scholl to my VW CC (lots of high spots) next week & really don't want to cock it up!
Cheers for the great resource!
I'm really liking koch chemie H8.02. Just began machine polishing my car and on the bonnet I can clearly see the difference between compounded and untouched sides. This compound gives such good gloss that I might just skip with the polish and go to my britemax blackmax to help deepen / keep in that colour and prep it for waxing.
Try sonax perfect finish. It will almost definately increase gloss and clarity after the KC. Awesome products!
Another great video. I think i will still stick with the s20. For value.
Although if used as in a professional situation, the reduced cutting time of the sonax could pay itself back for sure.
Ordered some Sonax Perfect Finish to use on my son-in-law's very sad black BMW 3-Series. I'll wash, clay, clean, then use my Meguiars G220 DA, to see what results I will get. Thank you for such an informative video.
Thanks for doing this review. I'm very much a complete novice but got some of this to use after a member on a forum detailed my Skoda using this with a Meguiars DA polisher and yellow polishing pads which I also bought. The DA packed up so now I have a DAS 6 pro so would the same combo work with that or should I use something else (I also have the dark red cutting and black megs finishing pads too). cheers
Brilliant video as usual 👍
This is seriously one of the best detailing channels on the tube.
You are one of the best viewers on you tube
Another in depth , quality review. Thanku. Your knowledge and expertise is priceless
Great info on these 2 one step compounds! I purchased the S20 a few months ago, but have not used it yet due to my current compounds have been working on vehicles quite well (Griots Correcting Cream & and Perfecting Cream). I have 3 vehicles coming up and will let you know the results after using S20 for the 1st time! Love your in depth forensic evidence of products that I am using or will be trying after viewing your time and effort into paint correction! By the way, have you used/tested any Jescar products?
Great and informative videos as always! I am a begginer planning to get my hands on a das6 pro and start with 1 step correction. I am trying to keep things simple, low time consuming and user friendly. I want to ask if you have tried sonax profiline 04-06 . It looks like it's made for DA polishers, makes me wondering if its a better option than perfect finish. Cheers!
Great review as usual. Have you done a review on Car-Chem products?
Thanks Sean
Been waiting for this!
John, is that CG Hex you are using in the video? What pads you recommend for PF?
First time using scholl s20 black on dual action polisher and delighted with the results thanks for the help John 👍
Great video!
Perfect Finish is definitely expensive. My experience with it tho is a little goes along way, which helps justify the price. I also think with Perfect Finish you get what you pay for. A product that really is ahead of the rest in chemistry.
In continental Europe is not that expensive.
Love perfect finish I have that in my arsenal! But I use meguiars D151 for my one steps very economical at 30$ a galloon most people dont have a trained eye like us
Numbers don't lie to me, I think a rotary with a right user such as this lad can deliver much better gloss when jeweling paint over any DA polisher.
Great video as always but I will recommend you to buy some microphone that you can attach on t-shirt, and voice will be clear and sharp without fluctuations.
Josip Matić i can hear Jon very clearly
LNS DETAILING & MECHANICAL Look some other detailing channal like AMMO NYC and you will "see" what I talking about.
theres some overpeaking on the audio. audio problems are a problem for me.. but using lavel mics and dubbing in the audio adds like another hour or work in the edit and its another thing to have to setup, its a no go for me. that being said the rode mic setup with the cannon DLSR has a problem with hiss. so I have to use it on +20db with 4 clicks of mainual gain. this setup is the only was to remove the hiss but it is very sensitive and when I talk loudly it can overpeak... gonna look to solve the problem but the audio in an echo'y garage will never be great.
Forensic Detailing Channel nor sure what inputs your camera has but at my work I use a wireless collar mic for interviews and sit the receiver for the mic on my camera and then feed this straight into the camera. This way you get good audio from the collar mic and no need to sync it up afterwards. Might be something worth looking into for your set up.
Havnt had any problems with audio quality.
Keep up the good content!
Would you ever consider comparing these to Menzerna 3 in 1? It's my go to single stage solution. My only gripe is the built in wax streaking when buffing off, but that is usually fixed by wiping over with a quick detailer. Another one is that the buildup in the pads seems to be more than a normal polish, but that just means you need to keep more pads to hand .
From my experience with both, Sonax is noticeably better. Sonax can simply cut deeper and finish better. The Menzerna has some protection in it which gives it an edge at its price point. But they are really 2 different animals. I carry both and use Menzerna for my starter polish packages. I strictly use Sonax for my premium packages as its price and results dictate that. If you've been happy with Menzerna you'll be blown away by perfect finish.
Scholl S20 is now my go to, the revised formula wipes off so easily but in my experience you need to really control temperature when using it. It also seemed to separate in the bottle once and a watery oil sat on top and wouldn't mix back in. Great abrasive though.
Joe Cribben when was it revised?
My go to polishing guy everytime, he really knows what he's on about & alway fair & impartial reviews.
Much love my friend
Very nice, here the Sonax PF are cheaper, so i will try it out 👍👍👍. Correction, Scholl S20 Black is cheaper, n nicer to work with, atleast i think, but i have to get some Sonax now then to try. ☺☺👍👍
John i was ready to hit the purchase button on a das 6 pro with green hexlogic pads and s20 black for my black subaru. Its quiye heavily damaged with swirls and light and deep scratches. Do you think the the sonax will produce the better correction. And that price is a bit painful ?!!
Two of my most used one steps.... a very difficult challenge there.
Hei John
What's the coldest temperature you can polish car at using scholl s20 black, working outside please ?
+10 C ? + 16c?
heey i was wondering what kind of pad did you use on the DA? following the link in the discription i was send to a page with a whole bunch of pads.
Big fan of your videos! Have a black Tesla M3, what two 5.5 in pads would you recommend for cutting and finishing with the sonax ? Have a d/a torx polisher. Thanks from Canada
sonax perfect finish plus rupes yellow pad works really well.
Amazing video, you are a master. Thank you
What about carpro reflect? I used perfect finish on soft paint, it leaves slightly haze on it. Im curious with carpro reflect. Do you suggest it?
Great comparison John. Too bad we can't get Scholl's here in the US, I would like to try it. Another great comparison will be against the Menzerna. Maybe on the next video?
Rob Silva yes you can. www.carpro-us.com
That is awesome!!...Thanks so much.
Hello and thanks for another great review video, when using a rotary polisher do either of these products leave holograms/buffer trails with rotary polisher with a blue hex pad, or would you recommend a different pad? I'm about to order the pf as I've a car to bring back to life, few scratches and general wear and tear, would be great to know if the pf is a end of process polish. Thanks in advance.
so with most abrasives that provide cut.. if you ramp that rotary up too fast and use pressure you could prolly hologram up the paint.. you would have to really be going some.. if your working sub 1000 rpms with PF you should not be getting holograms generally.
you dont have to use PF exactly how they describe but just be mindfull of going to fast at the start of the set..
you can get great results with this sub 1000 rpm.. 700-800 will work great. use a medium pad nothing too stiff. blue hex pad is going to be too soft. Id suggest white or green steven.
Forensic Detailing Channel thanks for the reply.
I'm always trying to learn and your channel is a great source of information, I'll be getting the pf and using a white pad. 👍
Another great informative video John 👍
What hex logic pad would you advise to use on a Audi RS3
There is a sonax version of the perfect finish for DA with name EX 04-06, do you have any experience with this product comparing to perfect finish??? i am asking because the version EX 04-06 is a lot cheaper that the perfect finish
Hi ya, great video as always. I’m planning using the s20 on my friends new car in a couple of weeks :) what pad did you use? :)
use it with something mid range if you want to get the most out of the cutting phase. works really well on hex logic greens for example.. If the paint is in decent shape you could step down and use a polishing pad. so hex logic on normal DA's.. Cg quantums on large throws machines if you like the CG hex foam types generally.
Forensic Detailing Channel the paint is going to be shocking I think. It’s a second hand Saab w plate :) heavy cutting with my da it is cheers
Excellent VIDEO REVIEW
I ve been using perfect finish but i just found where to get scholls here in the states so i purchased this plus a lot of their line up
Trust the Germans to do A+ grade industrial applications. They have always had brains in their country with engineering and quality overall.
Just can agree! 😘
Greetings from Germany,
Sarah & Timo
Hey jon. I have a 2016 Corvette stingray in laguna blue. I tried to wet sand a few lighter scratches out of my paint, and ended up just creating more. I only have a harbor freight (cheap) DA polisher. I have tried 3M ultra cut, Maguiars M105, VSS scratch and swirl. I have tried wool bonnet, microfiber cutting pad, yellow hexlogic etc... Nothing is taking them off. I cannot feel them with my fingernails. Is it time for a new polisher you think or am I just doing something wrong? I have done this for a long time and haven't ever had any issues. I am almost ready to take and have re-cleared, but really think I should be able to correct this. Any advice from you or anyone on here would be great. Thank you.
What grit did you end your wet sand with? 3,000 is about where I would go to.
So I gather these products are a step up from the Dodo Juice Lime Prime?? I was using Lime Prime Lite for just cleaning paint before applying a coat of AW Enigma. For cutting I was using Lime Prime but having seen the sonax do you think it’s worth swapping out the LP for that?
Lime Prime doesnt cut (well just a little bit).. those two are something else.. I used S20 + spider pad and got almost 80% defects removed… impressive stuff
How do you think about angel wax resurrection Against this 2? I think its one of the best?
Do you think the s20 black would still give a good finish on heavily swirled paint? Or is it better to do more than a 1 step
Matthew Angove wet rub first to remove as much swirl as possible then go to S20
Nice video but I think you should have included Sonax Ex 04-06 as well in the comparison. This is a one step product aimed more towards the DA where as PF is aimed towards the rotary. Would be nice to see all 3 products compared.
maybe mate, although it might have confused things a bit. but could be worth taking a look at ex04-06 at some point seperatly.
I was going to say that people with DA should most likely try ex 4-6 instead of perfect finish with rotary apparently mostly same products but as mentioned they have specific uses with their own tools.
Great video jon.i thought the S20 black would win,but surprisingly sonax just edged it.shame sonax is not £15 cheaper.your white board is filling up a bit Jon.
Ah man. I just bought the s20 black coz of your ‘polishing for beginners’ video!
s20 will still work great.. dont go and buy another 1 step if you have it already. the polishing for beginners was shot 2 years ago.. and we cover lots of grounds and discover things which is part of the fun for me to. Im going to redo the polishing guide soon make it a bit more upto date.
Forensic Detailing Channel thanks John. I’m geared up to do my first polishing tomorrow. Doing the whole shebang with c1 and exo etc too. I’ve binged on your great videos for the last two weeks and based most of the process on your recommendations. Wish me luck! :)
I just want to say thank you for all the work you put into this. I really appreciate it as I am sure 1,000's do. Good work young man. Thank You.
Didnt you say that sonax pf wasnt that good compared to scholl a year ago?😊or was it against s40 maybe🤔
I've only used S20 Black twice now - and not sure if I've got a duff bottle or not, but the powder residue it creates is just awful. Will be getting myself a bottle of Sonax to make a comparison.
Great comparison, love SPF as a one step on my soft Japanese paint with the green rupes pads. Interested in the Scholls xx3 gold or whatever do you have any experience with it? More/less cut than PF? Don’t see a lot of info for it
Hi John, what would I decrease with?
Hello Sir :) would you mind giving an advise? I have koch m3.02 and f6.01. Is perfect finish good addition? I found f06 struggling to remove some marks on white porsche paint. Both also give me a hard time on sticky paint. Is perfect finish a good allrounder to provide more cut when needed and still able to do a good one-step? How about the pads? Can I work it with hard/med/soft foams? I use cheap da 15mm.
no your done. H9 F6 M3 you are done. do not buy more products. Flex purples and flex orange pads and those 3 abrasives all you need honestly.
Please test Sonax PF vs. Sonax Ex 04-06. That's very interessting!
Just clicked play Jon and posting already,l know which polish l prefer as l have used both....lets see the full video and see what you say lol
Hi, would You be so nice and compare s20 to new ecofix range e2000? There's been ecofix polishes since end of the last year still i found only one UA-cam video about it.
Good stuff. Can you try menzerna 3in1
where do you get the panels Jon
great video ..was looking 4 the same results who will win...
You only had to go to 0:09 as Scholls won by the size of that bottle! :D
Any chance you could do a review of CSI Ceram-X polish? Seems a little too good to be true. Would be nice to see how it copes with the Forensic Detailer. Thanks!
not sure you can get it in the UK yousif
Bravo good job
I’d like to have seen an attempt to get a perfect result with each compound. From beginning to end. To get a live comparison of time efficiency of each product. From what I see Scholl seems more beginner friendly with PF the better product
Unfortunatelly in my country BOTH have the same price!!!!!!! Also tha DA version of the pf with name ex 04-06 in my country costs 28euro/lt !!!! Fantastik price!!!
You sould try Scoll a15 AIO ....i think you will like it. No one else had made video for A15......it worth the try!!!
What speed do you use on DA with school s20?
Would a scholl spider neo pad with scholl s20 black be good to use for a civic type r with soft paint. I've used meguiars 205 with a white hex logic pad and it did a good job but I still have some light scratches visible.
yes mate put if you want more cut use it with the scholl purple pad.. the purple is a more capable 1 stage pad and will allow you to work more cut than the orange. very very good pads.
@@ForensicDetailingGreat thanks, I've heard that honda paint if very soft so I just went with a light pad but I'll try a purple pad aswell as the orange. Thanks and have a great new year.
What I am really looking for is a compound purely for gloss/finishing. I not need much cut because it is a new black metallic car. What should I use? These are with to much cut I imagine. Any advise?
you will still have swirls even if its new :) Perfect finish is a great choice if you dont care about cost.
You also have Scholl S30 which is a finer gloss polish and one step further Scholl S40 which is ultra fine.
These products are for use with machine polishers.
If you want something use by hand try bilt hamber Cleaner Polish (not cleanser fluid)
You should do a comparison between other compounds/ one steps and polished and compare them to optimum spray compounds and polish such as hyper polish / intensive polish and hyper compound.
kind of have done hayden... hyper compound and polish in the optimum review.. other compounds in best compound video and other finishing polishes in the bset finishing polish video... and generally on the channel as well we have done a fair bit on abrasives..
Forensic Detailing Channel well that’s great I will have to look at those videos. Thank you for your great information and videos.
Does the one step product require a wax or sealant as a final step in the process?
Of course - protect your paint please after the long polishing work! Use a wax afterwards.
Hi I know this is a old video but how do you find sonax perfect finish in a da especially with rupes yellow pad, alot of the forums are stating its filler heavy for some reason as the abrasives do not break down fully on a da polisher, escroric Todd uses this polish on his channel and really rates it plus apex details as well, will be keen to know your professional opinion
When someone says it's full of filler ask them what material they mean... They won't be able to tell you.
What car your gonna work with??
What pads did you use please??
£50 for sonax!! £30 for scholl
Nice Video thanks
have you used cut and finish i bought excut 05-05 same thing just for a da its still a 1 step
no m8
i got used to that old outro....holding on......... lol
The Sonax is about £16 on Amazon UK at present. I got some for £15 last month. That's 250 ml
not super expensive in canada. $30 cad for 250ml.
@@seabrew1 About the same price then :-)
Jon, I only have DA’s and you’ve noted the Sonax is designed for better performance with a rotary. With that in mind do you think the Sonax is worth the premium over the S20 if it’s only going to be used with a DA?
such a tough question answer. basically is it worth it.. first of its lovely, great big working window in terms of cut and finish nice to use. light etc.. but yer its at that price that just sets alarm bells off in my head. A bottle of polish really should not cost 44 pounds. But ultimately price is a very personal thing. I said I would probably buy it and use it.. Time will tell on that.
Thanks for your input... I'm a sucker for trying new products!
me 2 buddy these things are like toys for us old gitz!
Try them om sticky or super soft paint and the pf will stick out even more. S20B is good but it simply isn't as versatile on different paint types aa the pf. A real problem solver.
What Sonax polish would you use on a Mercedes 2003 E class . It’s got lots of swirl marks , Sonax perfect finish or Sonax cut and finish . I have previously used Poorboys SSR 2.5 and a green hex logic pad on a da .This improved it but it could be better .
that paint could well be the bullet proof stuff thats a pain to cut. Im not sure if I would go with either of them. Ive got cut and finish and PF. Id say cut and finish would be the best bet.
but hey try PF first you never know. If your using a DA and its a older car with potentially a ton of swirls. I think your looking at 2staging this. I would prolly go with H8.02 and then M2.01 but Im just guessing it impossible to really know whats gonna work best unless you have the car in front of you and your hitting it and seeing what happens. But you might find you have a hard time with PF or cut and finish to be honest. They are both closer to mid range cut in my opinion and you might need something in the top heavy cut bracket.
I am pretty sure the clear coat is the rock hard stuff . Thanks for the advice but I agree with you it’s like me asking you how long a piece of string ! Does Poorboys SSR 2.5 have much cut ?
@@tomgrantham2469 SSR2.5 is like a medium cut
Can you make a vid on microfiber towels. Seeing if the cheap ones scratch paint.
have a watch of the costco MF review video on the channel faris..
What stiffness pad works for with s20 mate
Do you have to panel wipe the car after both products before you put on a paste wax?
paste wax not really mate (does have some tiny benefits and can vary with product). bonding sealant or coating yer.
Grate video Jon , keep it up
after machine polishing woth scholl 20 does the surface then require a top wax to protect the newly polished surface?
yes matevery important, after doing all that work to then pick a good wax or sealant.
Absolutly right 👍🏼
Can you make comparation betwen Sonax and Gyeon polish ?
Majstorovic there is non!
What pad would I use on a Golf R mk7.5 with perfect finish i only have slight maring and scratches... I was thinking hex logic white pad or green? Tia
your spot on yes. I would go with green mate. but buy a couple of whites as well just in case. you could also try the Rupes yellow cones from polished bliss they work great with perfect finish and are a bit cheaper.
Forensic Detailing Channel Thanks pal I’ve already purchased 2 of each hex logic pads for the 5 inch n 3 inch backing plates on my das6 pro so hope I have enough... do I need to keep cleaning the pads after each panel? Or swap them after one half of the car. Tia
Best follow up after compounding with scholl s3 is s30 or s20?
I use S40. S3 can delver such a decent amount of gloss you can step down to a ultra fine finishing polishing after it no problems.
What pads would you recommend I own a das 6 Pro and have access to a rotory before this video I was leaning towards s20 with a honey spider pad
gonna do something to answer this soon. I still like the standard hex logic range works pretty damn well on 8 mill throw DA's. I like the fact the foams are not too agressive up in the cutting pad range green-orange-yellow. Been starting to look at a few options off camera to gear up to providing recomendations of pads for specific machines.
The navy blue pad by Scholl works great with S20
Maciej Kośmida yeah I see people recommend the blue but In2detailing description says honey pad is meant for s20 so doubted the blue
I recomend you to try Angelwax Resurrection 2.0 thats now released.
What type of panels are these and where do you get them?
steel panels painted to automotive spec mate