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I reached out to John with some questions about compounds, polishes, and pads on a Sunday on Facebook a few weeks ago. He responded rather quickly and answered a few other questions I ad. Admirable to say the least. The information John provides and the level of detail mixed with honesty is hard to come by in any field.
Raige93 - which makes me so surprised when there are only 24k subscribers! I find him interesting in his details and always gives products a fair and balanced reviews.
@@gazgandalf4854 others thought so too ... no we're at 50k subsrivers, doulbed in the last 10 months
Hes a leg
Now already 250k+ .. he's the best and can be a good instructor.
Merry Christmas, Jon. Thank for getting me hooked to detailing this year, your videos are far superior to all other detailing reviewers out there and I am looking forward to more in 2018! Keep up the great work.
Haven't watched yet but no need to. Instant like! Best reviews on UA-cam
Another great review. Short and sweet! Enjoying your videos and all they’re teaching me in the art of detailing. Thank you.
ive only just heard about car detailing, I find it fascinating, thank you for your very informative videos, love them, marry Christmas . all the best
I have both the Menzerna polishes plus 205 but recently have used the Rupes polishes with excellent results.
Great video. Please could you do a shootout on 1 step compounds like Scholl S20 black, Sonax 04-06, Menzerna, etc
I use menzerna 3500 and 3800. They both finish flawlessly even with a rotary in a black paint. I choose one or the other depending on paint hardness.
Great video. Sonax Perfect Finish is a phenomenal polish to use as a one step.
Outstanding job young man. I always enjoy your vids. Very informative.. Thank you very much..
You take detailing to another level. 😎
Sir, your videos are the best. One of the best if not the best comparison video on youtube. Same goes for your compounds video.
Rich from Iowa USA. Thank you sir for all your videos. Very informative. Go UK.
Great video as always Jon. Always looking forward to your videos. Thanks for your reviews through out the year. Greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays from LA, California.🎄🎄😎😎❄️❄️⛄️☃️
Charles detail N LA in the house. :)
Such great videos - you cut through the BS and give us the information we want. Thank you so much.
Watched loads of your videos your channel is my detailing bible love it
Absolutely first class information I'm absorbing it all like a Liquid Elements Silverback😁
Nice review. Another good compound and polish are griots garage boss correcting cream and boss perfecting cream.
Brilliant follow up. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for your research man. It's very helpful.....keep on these videos
Super video, outstanding information.excellent work mate.
Keep it up , have a nice Christmas Jon , and here's looking forward to 2018 for the channel !!
Really enjoying these videos! Would love to see you test 1-step compounds like Sonax Cut & Finish and Scholl's S20 Black. Also, I wish 3D HD product were available to you. I've always considered HD Polish+ and Scholl's S40 & S30+ to be the best finishing abrasives.
I'd also love to see you test out the 1-step cleaner waxes or AIO's. HD Speed, Menzerna 3n1, Meguiar's D166, etc.
You should do an indepth forensic video on why you make all the other detailing related channels look like a bunch of amateurs.haha. You're too nice of a guy to say it but we're all thinking it.
Merry Christmas John!
appreciate the kind words. the whole you tube game is a wierd thing. tbh this channel doesnt function very well as a proper you tube channel. everything is too long and the production is not great and that effects the take up and growth of it, its a slow growing small channel. The channels that get this right, deserve all their success, its such a hard thing to go in front of the camera and put out info and remain credible.
really enjoying doing the channel at the moment, its been such a cool way to interact with so many cool people. I think a lot of the people that watch FDC are really into their detailing. because the quality of the info that comes back in the comments is always first class, I read it and sort of get good steers on other products to check out. merry xmas matt
Another very watchable Vid/review and the Koc Kemie is rocking the Scoll brigade. It does seem like the manufactures are upping their game for with the more options on the market now.
Interesting you showed various rotary machines, but no DA?
Although mentioned before, look forward to comments about these products along with pads used.
Happy Christamas Jon.
Another great video. Thanks for the infobyou are sharing with us.
Incredible comparison, I’ve used 3500 and m205 both great products but work so differently
I’m new into all these choices I have the m205 on order should be in tomorrow YES thanks for sharing
Holy shit this is the most underated channel
thank you for kind words.
I’m using menzerna 3800...my favorite that I’ve used
Great video as always. I just recently tried a new polish called the last cut compound if you haven't already tried it you should. Thanks
I agree the Sonax Perfect Finish is aggressive for a finishing style polish. However, paired with a Rupes yellow pad is makes for an excellent 1 step on any color.
Enjoying watching your videos - Following your guides I did a decontamination and DA polish today on the bonnet of my Mineral Grey BMW for paint correction. Pleased with the results on removal of the light swirl marks but I've ended up with white polish spots in the tiny stone chips looks terrible.! I've tried using IPA and quick detail spray got some of the polish out the chips but still looks like it's been dusted with white spray. Got any tips to get the polish out?
I have only ever used scholl S20 black.it got rid of a lot of damage on the clear coat and it did leave a lovely shine on my car.in the new year I'm going to buy scholl S3 gold XXL and s40.
Sweet review mate. I need to give this Koche stuff a go :-). The motorbike needs doing so will get some for that.
This and the cutting compound vid have been interesting Jon boy! For me I've been an Scholl & Sonax person....many, many years ago Farecla & 3M......Bodyshop bash it out days!!😱😜😆.... sorry I digress, last 6 month's was introduced to Koch (H8, P2 & M2) products and these are now my go-to with Scholl (S3gold, S20black & S40) still in my kit bag.....still use Sonax perfect finish (until it's empty) as a one step for new car preps, ready for coating. No equipment/product secrets with me! Totally agree with your findings, Jon, KC & Scholl for me👍 Top vid, Jon, merry xmas mate
great stuff miles, koch is definetly impressive. the h8 really gives you something different to S3 as well, I cant see what else you need in terms of heavy cutting compounds beyond these 2 products.
Gents, when looking at a new car prep, and polishing the clear coat with v. minimal cut or abrasion to it, is it S40 over S20 Black? Or is the another polishing compound which is more appropriate for new car. Afterwards I'll seal with Moonlight/Wet Coat. Thanks in anticipation.
How do you feel about the Rupes compounds and polishes?
Awesome video. I am new to the detailing scene and this is exactly what I have been looking for, as I have been confused what polish to go buy. I have already picked up a bottle of meguiars ultimate compound, but will get the s40 polish or maybe the menzerna sf. If I needed a deeper cut compound for the bad marks could you suggest which menzerna compound would be best.Thanks and subscribed.
Hey Jon! You never disappoint. Just one question though. Did you remove the oils left by the polishes before testing the gloss?
Another great video very informative as always love the scholl concepts range just never sure which one to use for what & with which pads with my da machine as not sure what is classed as heavy swirls
generally if theres lots of swirls then theres a whole range of depth of scratch and its like peeling layers off an onion.. but say you needed to do like 2-3 compounding sets. thats heavy correction and you want to be maximising (without reason) the amount of cut your tooling and pad setup with reasonably allow.
Hello Jon, wish you happy holidays . Best regards. 👍😎
Loving this channel.
Hi Jon! I love your videos. They have really helped me understand a lot about detailing. I have one question regarding Scholl S40 and its ability to remove swirl marks. With S40 I were able to remove the most visible swirl marks but after polishing there are still som light/micro swirls left. Shouldn’t S40 also be able to remove those given that it removed the more visible ones? Should I go for a more aggressive compound? I am using a DA polisher. Thanks in advance!
Great video very informative.
hi, I'm using menerza 3800 on my dining room table....I'm not a detailer, but enjoying learning a little bit, you seen to have much respect from your followers--congrats....my question: how do you get the oily residue off the finish....I'm trying to make it look better before Christmas and don't have the time for many for hours on youtube!!!.....thank you
Is S40 good to follow up after cutting stage with S3 Gold Xxl? Or should I go for S30?
Another vid to save some quid! Thanks John!
Very interesting and eye opening, I’m a long time user of Sonax PF and have always been impressed by its finish. Looks like I will have to experiment with the Koch range a little more, I already use the H8 cutting compound but didn’t realise the M2 anti-hologram was a finishing polish.
its a terminology thing.. they tend to call it anti holograming in the manufacturing finshing process. And koch process are used in the industry a lot over in germany. they typically sand out defects and then remove polishing marks with wool on rotaries at high speeds and generate buffer trails.. then finish out the buffer trails with polish on foam pads.
If you like Sonax Perfect Finish you can use Menzerna 400 which is equal to Sonax Perfect Finish. They both start off as a medium polish removing P2000 but finishes off great!
Sonax is great for those 1 step paint correction jobs. Cuts well and finishes "perfect".
Great video Jon. Just a quick question on the Menzerna 3500. I’ve given that a try using my DAS6 Pro and a Meguiar’s black finishing pad on a cool day. No matter what speed I set my polisher to it just threw grey dust everywhere after two sets of horizontal & vertical passes. I’m new to this polishing lark so was a bit disappointed with that. Have you any idea what I’ve done wrong?
for removing very light swirl marks by Hand which would you recommend ?
Good video again. S40 is mildern than the other polishes ans i would use it only on very soft paints. S30 would be in same category with the rest. M205 cuts most.and like ita bigger brothers, it is a smat polishs. My favourites are M201 and Gyeon polish.
Good stuff John...Recently purchased Sonax PF and yes it's expensive. I was also surprised to see the rating on bottle at 4 for cut so I'm keen to see how it stands up against S20. I was able to remove 2000gt sanding marks using PF and wool pad on rotary which is really more an " I'm just saying " statement rather than boasting about it's cutting power.. But it was a late model Honda so paint soft. The winner here is the Gloss Meter which was able to separate the tiny differences. All hail the Gloss Meter... To the naked eye it would be hard pressed to separate these...I guess it really comes down to brand preference and price for us consumers, paint/environmental conditions for polish and technique of detailer. Unless one needs to water down one's polish for softer paints....Me Lord. It's a weird thing because once I select which one I'm using I always wonder as I'm working would the others have been a better choice...Detailers Mind Games 101.
I think its good to keep trying stuff always but theres so many new products hitting the market you could almost change abrasives every month :)
It all comes down to $$$$...There's a lot of products and it would be helpful if cheaper samples were readily available. They're like laundry detergents always new and improved. I'm a big fan of Menzerna 4000. BTW Sonax PF isn't sold here in Aus so I had to search Eng/EU/US...Cheapest I could find was $119aud/LT from US....Ouch!!!!
Very good comparation!
Hi John! While you were planning this video did you took in consideration CarPro Essence? Do you have any experience with it? 'Cause here in Italy it is meant to be The finishing polish.. 🤔
I use M205 as my go-to polish and have for years. I bought a gallon of the stuff for $25 when a local detail shop closed it’s doors, so I’m sitting on a lifetime supply. Per your recommendation Jon, I have added Menzerna 3800 to my arsenal as either a jeweling polish, or occasionally as a stand alone product for “super light” micro-marring. Menzerna 3800 tends to leave slightly more gloss than M205, but of course has less cutting ability to remove light to moderate swirls. Merry Christmas from St. Louis, Missouri (USA).
Hey Steve, you're only 2 hours from me! I'm in Wappapello, MO. Good to see another detailer so close!
It's funny to see what other people think.. Here in Italy the school of thought is a bit closed on CarPro Essence and Angelwax Resurrection (As finishing and cutting). It's interesting to see a good alternative (Scholl) which is cheaper and gives the same results!
How about Carpro Reflect super fine finish how would it match S40 ... Thx and great vid like always
Thanks! I find M205 to finish less than stellar on soft black paintwork. Interesting!
Hello. Do You use paint cleaner like IPA solution or Panel Wipe before gloss readings? Because absolutely all polishes ( some more, some less) leaves thin film
which will mask imperfections and add some gloss. BTW for this reason I stop using Sonax PF as a one step polish, only for finishing/jewelling stage. PF is not so abrasive as shown on label.
Thanks for Your videos, watch them all.
Greatings from Lithuania :)
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sorry for my (propably) bad English :)
Hi John, i watched a lot videos of you and i like your approuch on everything! But i never see you use the brand "Monello". i don't know if you have it in the UK? Maybe you can do one of your next videos about the brand?
Just wondering what you make those small square test panels out of?! Thanks!
I looooove the Scholl S40...its really nice.
Would love to hear what you think of the 3D HD products like HD Cut, HD Polish + and their all-in-one HD Speed.
you know what compound im using jon s20
What have farecla done with G3. Pick up some cut and finish. Not much work time. I like to spritz water and slow speed buff cross hatch again working the product longer. Even over the glass spatter after just save on elbow grease with the micro fiber
Marry Christmas Jon to you and your family
Hi John, just wondering if you have tested the gloss readings for s20?
Did you use the same pad with all polishes? Looks like a hexlogic pad? Because that can change the results quite a bit. Some polishes like hardar pads etc. But really good video you answerd my questions about sonax pf thst ive heard so much good about in esoteric channel. Now i wouldnt buy it. Im curious about the scholl s40 but i have s1 s2bss and then megs m205 and menzerna sf3800 that got my eyes in your earlier vids. But maybe it isnt necessary to use s40 or sf3800 that ive not tried yet when ive done m205 before. My plan is to do compounding then m205 with a medium pad and then jewelling for maximum gloss with sf3800 and a soft pad.
Whats your thoughts about that jon?
Wish you a merry christmas and a hapoy new year and looking forward to a new year of greatest detailing videos on the planet.
Youre a smart funny guy with the best testing and content on youtube.
Cheers!
The signature trait of perfect finish for me is it's ability to finish down great on basically any paint. Great on sticky paints and solid colors without clear coat etc. If you are having trouble getting a desired finish on a car in the future, try the pf, it's almost fool proof.
Im sure its gonna be very solid.. but ive been a bit put off by the range and how sonax have developed it to be used. had a good chat with another guy about it in this video comments below. that and the huge price tag we pay for it in the Uk? why when you can get fantastic abrasives for 30 quid a litre, why pay 44? Its priced off the market over here and sonax have want you to use it on a rotary with wierd tilt sets... just bizarre.. developed for body shop and instructions written for people that want to compound out sanding marks in 20 seconds.. thats not me. when I use it the way I want to use it thats wrong apparently. so im sulking :(
Forensic Detailing Channel Yeah, they should probably redo the instructions on the bottle cause pf can really be used with any machine and just like any other polish.
Interesting test. I find M205 to finish pretty good on most paint, but definitely not soft black paint. Leaves lots of micro marring behind, IME.
We need a video for the best one step would like to se f6 in it also does h8 and h9 have same gloss?
Jon what do you think of the angel wax compounds compared to scholl like the lubricant system
Would you recommend Zaino Z8 Grand Finale Spray Sealant?? Great videos.
Please could you put out a video on what the best cutting pads and finishing pads we should use on a machine polisher and how we should maintain them
gonna do something on this area this year. problem is it will cost a fortune. gonna see if I can get some distributors to provide the pads. its gonna be a tough one to do because you have different pads for different machines etc.. and different formats of pad. but will try.. will prolly be a few videos.
Forensic Detailing Channel cheers dude don't rush take your time. Thanks for getting back. Great in depth review channel keep it up.
Hope you got a bit of commision, just ordered S40 through your link but I also used detailing world coupon so hope it didnt cancel out
have you ever experienced difficulties with compound or f.polish because storing them in cold garage ? ( i presume there is quite cold because we can see your breath :)
Im ordering compound and finishing polish koch h9 and koch h m3 ( those product from new line) could you tell me if its still best options for gloss and cut thank you
Is finishing polish enough for a brand new car that doesn't have heavy scratches before applying wax?
If I’m prepping to add paint to stone chips do I cut first add paint? or add paint and cut?
I’m on G360 and G3 for polish and gloss as I know it. Step one and two. The step three is a sealant. What is the negative of skipping step 3. I sell cars for a living and enjoy to buff but want a good end result and sell in a cost effective time
sonax to me is a light cutting compoud, I used it on bike parts , is great on tanks, where you need a low cutting rate because of the shape,etc
yer see what your saying, although get perfect finish on a rotary and work it harder and perhaps faster and it has a really decent level of mid range cut, specially for something that looks so good. its a good abrasive.
@@ForensicDetailing I like what you said ' it is definitley not a 'finishing' polish'. on a scale of 1-10 where 1 is heaviest compound and 10 is finishing polish, mid is 4,5,6, this is a 7.5/8.5 on the scale. Like you I want finishing polish at 9/10 on my scale..
great video, take a look at the Last cut compound glaze by Jace Price Everyone says good things about it. It is expensive so you have to weight that up for what type of finish you get
thanks bob loads of people are talking about this compound. do you know if its developed in house?
ua-cam.com/video/XggXYDTbCJE/v-deo.html Jace Price was featured on The Rag Company's pod cast and talked about the development of The Last Cut compound. I would also be interested in watching you do a review on this product as well...... Thanks for what you do and keep the videos coming
Was a tad confused here. Looks like you use the word compound and polish interchangeably and see that the products are actually a polish. Was there a previous step prior to polishing and testing gloss results ? Also the test panel is a flat small panel with a 3" DA which has very little orbit ( I believe 3/16" ). The other test panel ( the larger one ) is with a larger DA perhaps a Mikita . I did not hear the orbit size mentioned and am curious as to what the orbit is. I liked the pad as it has an octagon face on the high spots... I believe at least what I can see when you are dabbing the pad on the larger panel. Also by observing the Blue DA it appears the speed was about 4. ? How important is it to cross hatch you do not appear to be doing this you use a east west where as I use a east west north south and overlap 50% as you show. Personally I do not like swirl removers as a polish step and believe that they are actually a glaze which is a filler and most are a temporary fix. You have opened my eyes to trying S 40 by Abrafie looks like a fantastic product. Great information. Thank you
Any heard or used products from Pure Definition?
So would the Sonax be a good one step then
Btw what kind gloss meter is that?
john as kids we used to always say...red sky at night shepherd's delight, red sky in the morning, the barn's on fire..lol...cheers for the vid...have you tried the last cut yet that has been developed by a detailer in the usa, supposed to be nice, seem reviews on apex details with Brian and Sandro in oz on the car craft auto detailing in melbourne.
high there not treid last cut. I dont think its available in the UK yet richard?
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In your intro it looks like you have steam coming out of your Air Conditioner do you have a video explaining what you are doing there and how to do it?
Hi Jon can you make video what pad to use for cutting finishing and speed for rupes for this
product
Another great video mate nice one. I already have the scholl so I’m happy with the result! 👍🏻Can I ask hat speed should I be using with s40 on a long throw rotary? (Black car!) cheers mate
long throw DA right? (or normal kind of high speed rotary). there is no right or wrong. I tend to whizz up the finishing polishes fast to just work the abrasives and refine the finish. and then either slow down and back off. or do a second polishing set with a lower speed and less pressure. sometimes though I just work them for a set and stop. using the finishing polishes is always nice and its the last chance to bring up the gloss. If your cutting then refining you might use them different to if your just giving the car a light finish. but try on the rotary working them at 900-1000 for 30second to a minute. and then slowing down and backing off for a minute roughly. that will deliver you high gloss.
Forensic Detailing Channel long throw DA mate that’s what I meant. Cheers pal will give it a go once the weathers back a bit
So Meguires M205 is good to go if not for price? Cause I just picked up a a 32oz bottle for $24.99 (US) on sale.
Did you by chance try a black pad with any of these polishes and see if the gloss meter went up? It's what Optimum recommends to polish with as it leaves the "nicest surface" according to them. Also Lake Country agrees with that as well. What do you think?
I have not done that test on the gloss meter comparing like a polishing pad with a very softer sort of finishing pad. my guess is its going to be really hard to be able to measure a difference in what gloss I can max out at. maybe thats one to video for the future trent
Try this out please, I'd like to see if it makes a measurable difference or if it's just jeweling "placebo".
Whilst gloss is obviously important in a finishing polish, that's only half of the battle - some will look much crisper and wetter than others due to a few different reasons but their initial abrasiveness is obviously a big reason. Scholl S40 is the flat out ultra finishing polish IMO. 5000 grit means it has minimal cut which allows an incredibly crisp finish with insane definition which the more abrasive 'finishing polishes' can't beat. Oh, and on dark colours, especially black, S40 darkens the colour and is the best finishing polish I've ever used. To use it though, the car needs to be near flawless as S40 has very little cut.
You missed a critical one... Have a great Christmas, hope your spoiling the little one ☺️
theres so many mate :(
For polishing, finishing after compound do you prefer using finishing soft pads or polishing pads. And is it better to use slower speed for finishing than cutting?
It depends really on what your doing, if your using them to refine a cut finish or if your using them on their own to remove some light swirls and bring up the finish. If Im just doing on polishing set I actually like to work the finishing polishers faster and then lift a bit towards the end of the set, but really its not going to make much odds. the main thing as always is to work all areas of the piece you are covering and gloss it all up. the finesse tips and tricks you hear can be overkill. the abrasive will deliver a certain level of finish as long as you work it sufficently. the finishing stage is really important though.. if you want to max it out.. do a second or 3 set at slower rotational speeds and hardly any pressure and just keep refining. would say Id typically researve that for high end detailing because the difference is hard to spot.
Hi Jon, Have you used the Scholl S30+ ? I watched your review on the S20 Black and the S40 comes out well here and wondered where you think the S30 fits in the mix?
I have not used it mate only s3 s20 s40 and s17
Is memzerna 3800 better than Koch?
what about carpro we in norway love it ???
I've never used a machine polisher before, but fancy getting one. I'm torn between the Scholl S20 and the Scholl S40. I've got a 9 year old Focus, so it's nothing fancy, but I do want to improve the gloss finish a bit. I tend to polish and wax by hand twice a year, so the paintwork is in pretty good nick. What would you recommend between the two compounds? Is the S40 going to give a good finish, or would I just be better getting the S20? I use Autoglym Super Resin Polish and their HD wax currently. Thanks in advance for any recommendations
you need a machine polisher to use the scholl products. IF no polisher go for SRP mate.
thank you for all the videos you do. I dont have to research and have more time to complete customer cars!
Great video. Can you perhaps do a video on how to remove protection such as wax or sealants? For example if I want to ensure my wax is completely removed that I applied for the winter so I can use another product?
check out the video on pre wax cleaners luke. Its a real golden oldie bured away at the bottem of the videos. if you click the videos tab and order themin oldest first you will find it.
I was using lime prime abrasive cleaner. Its highly effective but Im moving away from it because I find whatever solvent or cleaner is in it is a bit too potent for me.
The only way to remove fresh wax or sealant is with an abrasive (polish or cleaner). If you use an abrasive polish though you have to then degrease that polish afterwards. So really an abrasive cleaner that doesnt contain oils is the way to go.. I just need to find one that words for me know as well.
Forensic Detailing Channel I'll dig it out from the archives and have a watch. Happy new year and keep the videos coming please!!