I can‘t really explain how much I appreciate your videos. Im usually just lurking in your streams and listening to these videos over and over again, because they help me fall asleep. It just gives me a comfy vibe, since I know all of them so well. Much love! - from a usually quiet watcher
The nostalgia, I remember my mom grinding for months to get the title back in Wotlk on her mage, I had to help her because when she was killing in Booty Bay people kept attacking her and I came along to PvP Good times
We had a rainy summer back during Wrath, so I figured, that was the time for "Insane". I spent 5 weeks in Dire Maul doing the Shen'dralar and Steamwheedle reps for 8-12 hours per day, until I was doing it in my dreams too. I leveled a rogue just to do the pickpocketing for Ravenholdt. The most timeconsuming was Darkmoon, which is soooo easy now. I completely lost count of all the hours/days/weeks, I spent picking herbs, grinding herbs and making cards, hoping to get complete decks to hand in. Even tho ppl cant tell, that I got the title pre-nerf, Im still very proud of it, coz I know. And after that, all other grinds dont really seem that bad.
Damn you actually went insane while doing it. Also the feat of strength probably has the date written next to it, so you can use that as proof of you completing it pre-nerf.
Just here for the intro. Remembering watching these videos in "preparation" for wow classic. As I hadn't played that much wow, but enough, classic was an amazing combination of nostalgia and new content for me. What a blessing that was.
I’ve spent the past two weeks of my life watching Mad Season videos. I haven’t binged this hard since they put South Park on HBO Max nor have I been as happy. Good stuff
Ive never played this game but the sound track always touches my heart. I can imagine 30 years from now kids listening to that song and just feel an overwhelming since of nostalgia from the past.
I did the original Insane grind (completed it in 09). I have over 70+ exalted reps. It was a brutal grind (along with a few others). You were spot on describing all the things that had to be done. I spent a lot of gold buying cards and decks - I lived in the auction house and trade chat buying up diamonds (months)! The librams were a PITA because of them being unique and all the individual mats required to turn one in. It truly made me angry when Blizz nerfed it and just gave us a legacy achieve for Shen'dralar. I haven't worn the title in years because of that. Thankfully, I still have my original PvP titles! Also I love your videos so much! They're clear, concise and well researched. Keep it up!
It's been years since I did this (shendralar included) and I always forget about ravenhold, only the vaguest of memories of running lbrs on my rogue alt. I maintained honored with bloodsail by grinding enemies close to ratchet and on the ships in Grizzly hills. Went through a lot of audiobooks back then, James Bond, wheel of time and the like. Wouldnt do it again but I wear the title proudly still, my personal badge of stupidity.
How did I not think of listening to audiobooks while playing before? And here I am spending an hour trying to find a podcast to listen to every damn time I want to play. I am not a smart man.
Im knee deep in the dark depths of finals right now.... Im extremely grateful that I have the excitement of WoW Classic and the sound of your soothing voice to keep me going. Love and appreciate your videos, they just make me happy!
For anyone wondering, killing the goblin for 1 rep each with a 7 minute respawn, assuming any downtime, such as combat time killing him, taking a second to notice he spawns etc. We'll say 7 minutes and 15 seconds each cycle, or otherwords 435 seconds. 435 x 20,999 = 9134565 seconds 9134565 / 60 = 152242.75 minutes 152242.75 / 60 = 2537.3791667 hours 2537.3791667 / 24 = 105.724139445 days now 105.7 days doesnt sound too "insane" but you have to remember thats 105.7 days straight all wow through out. So lets say this man spends his day in 3s, 8 hours work, 8 hours grind, 8 hours sleep. thats 317.1723958334 days. Accounting for little things in life that can distract someone for a "day". You might as well say this man spent 1 year, one entire year killing the same green skin scrublord. There should be a honor held in his name.
There was very little combat time to kill the mob, it was pretty much 1 shottable by any 70-80 so hitting a /tar /cast macro was enough to kill it. They also increased the rep to 5 per kill sometime after the first 2 people did it (I believe it was a patch to no longer give reduced rep for being too high level difference.)
I did the old school Winterspring Frostsaber mount grind. Was super cool being one of the only people on my server to have one....then Blizzard made it piss easy :(
'The Insane' title back in Wrath took months. I remember spending days of game time in Dire Maul farming that quest and Thousand Needles farming herbs for Darkmoon cards. People that did it after Cata - and especially after the Darkmoon Island rolled around - really have no idea how 'insane' it actually was back then. These days it's more like 'The Mildly Mental' :P
I personally haven't done it yet, but luckily I had a buddy who knocked it out who supplied me with most of this info. I also had another friend who did shen'dralar in Vanilla(at least I think it was vanilla)....crazy!
Damn, Shen'Dralar back in Vanilla is definitely insane. One thing I never understood is why the Vanilla rep 'Thorium Brotherhood' was never added to the Insane title. It's another one of those Vanilla reps that's super grindy to get and yet has no cool achievement reward. It was just later kinda mixed in with a dungeon rep meta achievement from Cataclysm.
Thorium Brotherhood exalted rewards are the patterns for FR gear/ Weapons to be used in MC.... have to remember when these reps were put into game. I had exalted TB in vanilla.
I saved Shen'dralar for the last one, and luckily they took it out. (It's the only rep that I didn't do.) You're right, Esinar, that you did it when it was much harder to do. You should be The Very Insane and I should be The Less Insane. lol
I love your videos man! Its great to see some of the old content related to the new. Its gives me a ton of nostalgia. Thats for bringing back fond memeories!
Tbh, I'm not really sure, which one was worst for me - Insane in the membrane or Hero of Shattrath. (Goddamn basilisk eyes... )With all the grind, at some point you just zone out and don't really pay attention. BUT, the achievements that nearly drove me insane were: 1. Draenor curator - 1289 total solves. RNG stacked up on RNG, then more RNG on top. And with no flying at the start, this felt like the most mind-numbingly tedious achievement I've done. Oh yeah, and no reward for that either, except for you get to throw your junk in the pantry of the Horde garrison. 2. Going to need a bigger bag - Sometimes I still have nightmares about farming crabs. Sadly I missed the time when the pets were tradable and counter towards the achiev. As of now, I am still missing 3-4 items, but I gave it up. It's just not worth it. Killing crabs for a full hour, just so it spawns on the other side of the island, where some trigger-happy dude blows all his cds on it, as if he just saw Sargeras himself. For a measly 10ap? Good riddance.
Man i love these videos.. I love to listen to ur stuff while exploration vanilla world of warcraft.. Thanks for acknowledging our world mate :) We all just want to play our favourite video game guys!
I don't typically comment except to make memey jokes on UA-cam videos, but I just wanted to say that I really enjoy your videos, Mad - they're all very well edited and you do your research and you aren't some overhyping jackass like some others I could think of. So, thanks. Great videos.
I didn't really make a comment to start a discussion, I just wanted him to know he should keep it up because I (and others) enjoy it. If you don't think he's doing well, tell him what he's doing wrong, but maybe less angrily.
The hardest grind in WoW history, and almost in MMO history, was the vanilla PvP honor system grind to rank 14. In order to make progress from rank 12-14, you needed to be in the top ~10-15 spots for your entire server in pvp honor points earned (by killing players or winning battlegrounds). For most heavily populated servers, this meant you needed 1,000,000-2,000,000 pts in a week. In order to not LOSE progress in rank 13, you needed to be in the top 1-4 positions for your entire server for honor points earned at the end of the week. Considering during vanilla that most servers had upwards of 3,000+ players, and many of those players were cheating by playing in shifts (or paying asian farmers to grind pvp points for them), you basically had to be pvp'ing for about 12-16 hours a day, every day, to have any chance. If you were #1 in honor points for your server each week, you could get through rank 13-14 in about 3 weeks. But most people couldn't maintain #1, and they'd fall to #2-10 in honor points, and then it would be much longer to get through rank 13. Most people that got rank 14 were so burned out on the game they quit and/or sold their account. I've heard there are some worse grinds in Lineage, but very few MMO's had grinds that required someone play an average of 15 hours a day to not lose progress in said grind
@@cornflakeshumunculus8373 I did it, and it got me really good at pvp. Went on to get rank 1 in 5v5 and rank 1 in 3v3 for arenas during TBC. You would think that anyone pvp'ing that much every day would "git gud" but there was a stigma against r14 players, that they just had lots of free time but weren't good at pvp. I think that because a lot of people who got rank 14 paid asian farmers to grind for them, or had guildmates share their account in shifts secretly, a lot of them didn't improve much at pvp
The Wintersaber was insane for non-druids too. You have to grind rep in Felwood Timbermaw to get access to Winterspring, THEN you can start grinding for Wintersaber.
Just found this vid. Great channel. I started with Shendralar and was part way through when they removed it. I use "the Insane" on every character, no other. If you want the title, be prepared to do nothing else in the game or it will take forever. You have to commit. The only thing that I can say about the vid is to get your goblin reps up to exalted first, then work on Bloodsail. Rather than Booty Bay kills, I went to the pirate ship SE of Stromgarde in Faldir's Cove and repeatedly killed the NPC's. You can get your Goblin rep back so you can again enter the cities with cloth turn-ins to a Goblin outside of Booty Bay. I haven't gotten around to it. Darkmoon rep was costly. Inscription didn't exist so all cards were obtained from drops or buying on AH.
Hey MadSeason I have to say i realy like your stuff. Quitted WoW 4 Years ago but still your videos are realy entertaining. Dunno why but your voice is also realy relaxing :D. keep going !
Forgot the absolute hardest grind in the history of WoW. This grind made getting the insane title look like a walk in the park. I'm of course talking about the High Warlord/Grand Marshall grind.
Yep, cause it was a competitive grind. There were people who played their asses off an entire week, but never got HW title cause some other guy was grinding slightly harder. And then you had to redo it all over again.
Awesome Vid! Can't wait for part 2! Grinded exalted with the Timbermaw and at that time I was only the 3rd to achieve the feat. Felt so good with that trinket that summons the ancestor to fight at your side LOL (although for a super limited quick time) , and of course the old school Frostsaber rep to get the awesomely white kitty From winter spring! Happy days!!!!
Grinding out the tailoring sets during tbc was a pretty big pain. I did both the spell fire and frozen shadow weave on a mage and spriest along with the spell strike pants and hood on both. Also hitting exalted with all the dungeon reps although most of the rewards weren't that good for my toons and just did it because I liked the dungeons during tbc.
Just buy someone CDs and you can get it in no time. And the dungeon reps was needed to do heroic which was required for raiding as you would need to do the 4 max level dungeons in each zone to be attuned. I still use my Champion of the Sha'Tar title sometimes
The hardest grind for me was Battlemaster title. It had tons of luck tied to it. You actually had to put forth tons of effort in BGs to cap, win games, get kills and do the objectives. It took me two years of almost straight PvP and I finally got it in 2010.
lol you played an alliance toon on a horde server didnt you ... did that grind when it first came out on my undead mage ... took 2 weeks .... did it on my human mage in 3 weeks just after too ... yeah different server alliance dominated .... seems people forget that min level toon can still run flags if the team is willing to cover their skinny butt while they haul hiney back across the map .... best toon to do it in is a gnome mage engineer ... in frost spec with arcane POM .... drop target dummies and any freeze spells you got when nearing enemies and blink away then add a pot of run speed and pom and blink and your across 90% of the field .... warsong was the best place to bg as a gnome pre riding as you were small enough to actually hide your name plate and toon in bushes and under carts ... no other toon could do that .... after the main rush past you snuck into their chamber and told your side get ready im grabbing the flag comming .... either tunnel ramp or gy .... the teamates would pull the mob to the opposite side and you did your thing ... the helaers would space out along the field and at your tunnel area to keep you alive and the rest would smack anything that came close ... while you froze it or delayed it anyway you could .... then of course the never fail have to clobber thier flag runner as he tries to leave with your flag while you are carrying his ... sooo many fights between flag carriers with 20 peeps in one room all trying to kill everything in sight lol
I got battlemaster fairly easily during WOTLK expansion because horde was dominating the battlegrounds, especially strand of the ancient where we had around 90% win rate, got 70 wins straight in 1day I remember
Justicar / Conqueror in its hardest iteration was really brutal also. Dunno when it was hardest. Post mark rep turning removal and pre rep increases for winning etc. So i guess during WOTLK!
Also at a point during the game the goblin factions & Bloodsail had to be in the required reputaton state at the same time. Again i dunno when this was but i remember grinding a mob in Arathi Highlands for it since he gave rep for Bloodsail without lowering rep with goblin factions. (kinda like the repeatable dire maul quest)
vanilla/bc/wotlk rep grinds were actually grinds... i bet the game is dumbed down so hard with next iterations.. i played 2 months in cata.. and was suprised how dumbed down/ casual the game had become... 2weeks, epics.. i think in pretty much 3-4weeks i was done with entire content and nothing to do... if id me cosmetics / pet collector.. would be fun in wow probably.. otherwise it seems that this game has become nothing more than that... might be mistaken...
If you didn't want to lose rep with the Buccaneers, you could also do quests for this goblin located in western Feralas on the shore, just outside of the dock for the ship that takes you to Feathermoon stronghold. He had 2 repeatable quests that required you to circle the area around him and kill giants and water elementals. Simple stuff. I remember the rep increase wouldn't be displayed though. If you wanted to check your progress, you had to log out and back in.
i'm up for any wow series you put out. you do a pretty amazing job with the channel in general. keep on doing stuff, always love to see a madseason video in the sub box!
Bit of a difference in "oh, I'll put 100 hours of my time into this reward nobody else will have and that will make my gameplay that much better!" and "I'll put 400 hours of my time into this thing that will not matter in a week/that catch up mechanisms will make redundant"
Whoa! I did a bit of research - I've been relying on the achievement tracker and fearing that I needed to redo my Bloodsail grind. Apparently they have fixed that (I hope?) and now I only need to do the Ravenholdt farm. Awesome video! :D
Could you do an episode or a series of Twink Characters in world of warcraft? Over powered characters that stopped at certain levels to get the best gear for PvP
MadSeason - if I'm not completely wrong, there's another mob you could have farmed for exalted Bloodsail Pirates - he's located on the west coast of wetlands, protected by 2 guards at a very small harbour. A friend of mine got this title, when it was released, cause he already had everything :D He even farmed Bloodsails to exalted. Got mine during January 2010 - ahhhh killing these 24.900 Pirates in Ratchet, this was cool stuff :D I miss these grinds, so I started farming all available transmog ingame for shamans - but it's literally no comparison. I'm 3 months in the grind and already got 91% of everything + Antorus-Shit isn't even available. I will be done in 2-3 weeks for the "current available"-stuff. Except for World Boss-Mounts there's no real challenge left for collectors out there :/
That winterspring tiger mount was pretty danged obnoxious. I did it before the cub quest, so I have the feat, but I hear it was even worse for people who did it in vanilla.
OG Winterspring was painful. I believe the quests were 75 rep per turn in. It was updated to 250 at some point before the cub became a thing. I got midway through Friendly in Vanilla and couldn't do it anymore.
In Vanilla the quests were actually 50 rep / quest. You did the Furbolg Village which was most efficient. It took about 9 minutes in best case / quest. I generally managed 1000 rep / day and in weekends about 3000 some days. In TBC pre patch I think they incresed the rep to 75. I just got the mount before the patch. There was only like 5 others with the mount in a High pop realm.
I don't know, I feel Winterspring Frost Saber Mount was still definitely top. At least you got the rep when killing the mobs most of the time or could use gold/gatherig for mutliple stuff. You got a quest, treked all the way through the zone to kill creatures. Then treked back to turn in. The first quest with meat was not as far but you were not guaranteed drops. You needed ten pieces of meat, 5 from two diff beasts. If you had a PERFECT drop rate and got one per mob it was equivlant to 5 rep per mob... Then you had to mount back to turn in. Mind you you had to mount through the sabers and sometimes they would swarm you and kill you if unlucky. The second quest required a longer run but you just needed kills. 10 kills, two named types of furbolg. So this time it was guaranteed 5 rep per mob, thing was it was a small area and competition existed... And then running back risking death to sabers and turning in. The third quest with frost giants I do not recall much. I just remember saying "F it not worth it". It took 2 entire freaking months of anywhere from 4 to 8 hours a day doing the same freaking quests over and over again... I honestly think this, precata ofc, belonged in that insanity achiev because lets be real... insanity.
I already had all the requirements for the achievement when it came out, and got it day one (toon: Multani on Vol'jin EU if you want to check). I really enjoyed grinding reputations back then, it actually was my main occupation outside of raiding. I'm not even sure I could stand doing it again today. "Funny" story: I wanted to reach 1000/1000 exalted with the Bloodsail Buccaneers. In order to do so, I was farming that goblin NPC (24-48h respawn) on a remote island. I stopped at around 500/1000 (can't remember why, maybe they removed the NPC from the game, or I just got sick of it). Then, when Cataclysm hit, I worked my way towards quest achievements, as they revamped all the areas in the game. When completing a random quest in Swamp of Sorrows (involving goblins), I almost fainted when it triggered a 375 hit on my Bloodsail rep. I abandoned all low level quests I had in my log and never got back in that area.
Awesome uploads lately man! keep up the good work, I really love seeing people put real serious time and effort into WoW videos, there's not very many people that are actively uploading interesting-quality content for WoW anymore (I know there are a few popular UA-camrs/Streamers but compared to MoP its decreased by a good amount). Also to the people that complain these videos have been done by so many people... just stop There's nothing wrong with someone making better quality videos with more clear information, Some things are just better with change. I remember when Thottbot was the Go-to site for everything wow related and WoW-head was considered crap.
It was possible to kill pirates outside of Ratchet to restore reputation with all the goblin factions (all the way to exalted in fact). These pirates were not part of the Bloodsail Buccaneer faction, and caused no reputation loss with them. They rewarded 2.5 reputation with Ratchet and 1 with the other 3 goblin factions if my memory serves right. If you were the appropriate level for the mobs, they rewarded the full amount: 25 with ratchet and 5 with the rest. A patch later in wotlk (I can't remember which), made all quests and kills yield the full reputation amount, even if they were trivial ("gray") to you. Noteable, the hydraxian waterlords faction (Molten Core) would take absurdly long time to get to exalted with at level 80 without this change, with just over 200 reputation available per week (Most bosses would give 100 rep at the appropriate level, but level 80 was too high, and get an 80% penalty).
[Legendary Pet Brawler] [Going To Need A Bigger Bag] [10,000 World Quests Completed] [The Seat of Knowledge] [Warlord of Draenor] I've done pretty much all grinds in the game and these are the ones that come to mind as being the most time consuming.
There are two that I found nearly as hard or harder than some of these. I have the Winterspring Frostsaber. That grind was ridiculous. I was also exalted with the Timbermaw in Vanilla, before there was a repeatable quest or turn ins. I got 1 rep for killing the normal enemies and 5 for killing the single enemy 'boss' in the game. There is also one non-grind farm that drove me crazy, and that was trying to farm a crimson whelpling in Wetlands.
You could level up rep with the steamwater cartel if you killed the South sea pirates in tanaris and it didn't affect your bloidsail rep, if I'm not mistaken
I did this rep in wrath. There was issues on high pop servers and the amount of instances that would be open server side. I stood at dire maul trying to get in over and over for hours to do turn ins. I called it the instance monster and he was a pain. The lock boxes were easy if you had a rogue. Just have him go to scholomance and pick pocket the mobs off from gandlings then over to raz room. By the time you finish you run the pockets would respawn. Then drop the mailbox and send to the main you were grinding for. Very time consuming but a race for server first.
I remember back in vanilla, there was no good blue necklace for hunters, in the dungeons, and I my guild was just starting to raid (which they had to do with another guild to get enough people) so I got exalted with DMF. So many bat eyes. So many bags full of bat eyes and DMF cards. After all that grinding, my guild began to raid while I was at work, and that was the first time I quit WoW.
2:39 I'm fairly certain you could get Blood of Heroes in Western Plaguelands as well. I once got ganked when I wandered too close to elite mobs spawned by some blood in Andorhal.
There were pirates north of Ratchet that restored Booty Bay rep without damaging Bloodsail rep. The payoff was 1 rep per kill and 5 rep for the captain. I spent a good month there in Wrath. I still didn't get the "Insane" title because Darkmoon Fair. What a biotch!
I was so happy to finally get this title. Two alts were created for the sole purpose of the title; including my rogue (lockboxes) and shaman (inscription for darkmoon decks).
If i wanted to get the Bloodsail title, or if i planned to get rep with the bloodsail. There are goblins in the Stranglethorn Valley and an enemy that you actually kill as a final part of a quest, and you get rep with the Booty Bay and all that farming those goblins. I think you can get all the way up to revered way back when like this. So you farm those goblins (which if you were the only one in the area killing them you could use a "route" of sorts so you were always killing a goblin) and then you'd kill booty bay NPC's to get rep with the bloodsail, then you'd do quests for booty bay (except the ones that required you to kill bloodsail) and it was possible to be exalted with booty bay and honored with the bloodsail at the same time. The goblins i speak of are a "logging co" variety.
Prob the best wow related channel on youtube, love your work
Absolutely!
Nobbel
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Hiruma
The holy trinity of bingeable wow content
@@ThatWildcard haven't seen nobble but I'ma look into him now lol. Love mad and hirmu
Can confirm, I come back and watch his vids just for the sake of it
We acting like platinum wow doesn't exist
I was thinking of knocking out this grind out soon. I'll probably record & make an updated guide if you guys would find that handy
hell ya that would be great
MadSeasonShow I remember grinding for all the Rep in Pandaria, I have up on the Shadow pan assault and emperor rep cause I was burnt out from the game
hey mad, love your content and hope you continue to make vids for a long while. do you plan on continuing your evolution of WoW series?
I'd like to see a top 10 or 15 favorite raid bosses or mounts and why video if it would be something you would make love the videos man
@ilubCHRISTsomach Yep I'm editing it right now actually - it looks like it'll be at least 40 mins though so no ETA yet
I can‘t really explain how much I appreciate your videos. Im usually just lurking in your streams and listening to these videos over and over again, because they help me fall asleep. It just gives me a comfy vibe, since I know all of them so well. Much love!
- from a usually quiet watcher
The nostalgia, I remember my mom grinding for months to get the title back in Wotlk on her mage, I had to help her because when she was killing in Booty Bay people kept attacking her and I came along to PvP
Good times
Your mom got a good son
We had a rainy summer back during Wrath, so I figured, that was the time for "Insane". I spent 5 weeks in Dire Maul doing the Shen'dralar and Steamwheedle reps for 8-12 hours per day, until I was doing it in my dreams too. I leveled a rogue just to do the pickpocketing for Ravenholdt. The most timeconsuming was Darkmoon, which is soooo easy now. I completely lost count of all the hours/days/weeks, I spent picking herbs, grinding herbs and making cards, hoping to get complete decks to hand in. Even tho ppl cant tell, that I got the title pre-nerf, Im still very proud of it, coz I know.
And after that, all other grinds dont really seem that bad.
Damn you actually went insane while doing it. Also the feat of strength probably has the date written next to it, so you can use that as proof of you completing it pre-nerf.
Just here for the intro. Remembering watching these videos in "preparation" for wow classic. As I hadn't played that much wow, but enough, classic was an amazing combination of nostalgia and new content for me. What a blessing that was.
I’ve spent the past two weeks of my life watching Mad Season videos. I haven’t binged this hard since they put South Park on HBO Max nor have I been as happy. Good stuff
Ive never played this game but the sound track always touches my heart. I can imagine 30 years from now kids listening to that song and just feel an overwhelming since of nostalgia from the past.
I did the original Insane grind (completed it in 09). I have over 70+ exalted reps. It was a brutal grind (along with a few others). You were spot on describing all the things that had to be done. I spent a lot of gold buying cards and decks - I lived in the auction house and trade chat buying up diamonds (months)! The librams were a PITA because of them being unique and all the individual mats required to turn one in. It truly made me angry when Blizz nerfed it and just gave us a legacy achieve for Shen'dralar. I haven't worn the title in years because of that. Thankfully, I still have my original PvP titles!
Also I love your videos so much! They're clear, concise and well researched. Keep it up!
It's been years since I did this (shendralar included) and I always forget about ravenhold, only the vaguest of memories of running lbrs on my rogue alt. I maintained honored with bloodsail by grinding enemies close to ratchet and on the ships in Grizzly hills. Went through a lot of audiobooks back then, James Bond, wheel of time and the like. Wouldnt do it again but I wear the title proudly still, my personal badge of stupidity.
Lol, going through the Wheel of Time while grinding, I think this is the best description the title grind can get.
How did I not think of listening to audiobooks while playing before?
And here I am spending an hour trying to find a podcast to listen to every damn time I want to play.
I am not a smart man.
I’ve never played WoW in my life but for some reason I can’t stop watching your videos
Im knee deep in the dark depths of finals right now.... Im extremely grateful that I have the excitement of WoW Classic and the sound of your soothing voice to keep me going. Love and appreciate your videos, they just make me happy!
For anyone wondering, killing the goblin for 1 rep each with a 7 minute respawn, assuming any downtime, such as combat time killing him, taking a second to notice he spawns etc. We'll say 7 minutes and 15 seconds each cycle, or otherwords 435 seconds.
435 x 20,999 = 9134565 seconds
9134565 / 60 = 152242.75 minutes
152242.75 / 60 = 2537.3791667 hours
2537.3791667 / 24 = 105.724139445 days
now 105.7 days doesnt sound too "insane" but you have to remember thats 105.7 days straight all wow through out. So lets say this man spends his day in 3s, 8 hours work, 8 hours grind, 8 hours sleep.
thats 317.1723958334 days. Accounting for little things in life that can distract someone for a "day". You might as well say this man spent 1 year, one entire year killing the same green skin scrublord. There should be a honor held in his name.
There was very little combat time to kill the mob, it was pretty much 1 shottable by any 70-80 so hitting a /tar /cast macro was enough to kill it. They also increased the rep to 5 per kill sometime after the first 2 people did it (I believe it was a patch to no longer give reduced rep for being too high level difference.)
I did the old school Winterspring Frostsaber mount grind. Was super cool being one of the only people on my server to have one....then Blizzard made it piss easy :(
ZybakTV yeah took like 3 months. Now its nerfed to a 20 day wonder that any fumble fingered idiot could aquire.
Then that mount isn't for those players. People like you are what have caused this game to go downhill.
Same here, did the same with the raptor mount in ungoro on horde....
Yep, making this easy devalues having the thing in the first place. This is why making things easy is always bad idea.
nope, the raptor was not = to frostsaber in terms of difficulty to obtain, not even close. You couldn't even get that in vanilla....
I remember farming timbermaw rep for weeks just so I could get the agility enchant lol
I loved it when my Blood Elf Pally got the trinket and Thrall announced to all in a Yell that I was a representative to the Timbermaw. :)
'The Insane' title back in Wrath took months. I remember spending days of game time in Dire Maul farming that quest and Thousand Needles farming herbs for Darkmoon cards. People that did it after Cata - and especially after the Darkmoon Island rolled around - really have no idea how 'insane' it actually was back then. These days it's more like 'The Mildly Mental' :P
I personally haven't done it yet, but luckily I had a buddy who knocked it out who supplied me with most of this info. I also had another friend who did shen'dralar in Vanilla(at least I think it was vanilla)....crazy!
Damn, Shen'Dralar back in Vanilla is definitely insane. One thing I never understood is why the Vanilla rep 'Thorium Brotherhood' was never added to the Insane title. It's another one of those Vanilla reps that's super grindy to get and yet has no cool achievement reward. It was just later kinda mixed in with a dungeon rep meta achievement from Cataclysm.
Thorium Brotherhood exalted rewards are the patterns for FR gear/ Weapons to be used in MC.... have to remember when these reps were put into game. I had exalted TB in vanilla.
yeah, i did this pre nerf at level 70. best times hahaha
I saved Shen'dralar for the last one, and luckily they took it out. (It's the only rep that I didn't do.) You're right, Esinar, that you did it when it was much harder to do. You should be The Very Insane and I should be The Less Insane. lol
I love watching your vids before bed because you never get that annoying spike in volume. Plus quality content.
>Episode 1
HYPE!
“They spend their time getting anime haircuts” hahaha
Sceptre of the Shifting Sands. Hell of a grind during Vanilla
So funny, 6 year old video and it just came up on my feed. Thanks for being great Mad. Love your stuff, even the classics.
really well put together! I can tell this took tons of effort, it looks great!
I love your videos man! Its great to see some of the old content related to the new. Its gives me a ton of nostalgia. Thats for bringing back fond memeories!
The first one was just crazy...I never knew that you could turn these Librams to someone.I always learn new things on your channel.Simple great!
Tbh, I'm not really sure, which one was worst for me - Insane in the membrane or Hero of Shattrath. (Goddamn basilisk eyes... )With all the grind, at some point you just zone out and don't really pay attention. BUT, the achievements that nearly drove me insane were:
1. Draenor curator - 1289 total solves. RNG stacked up on RNG, then more RNG on top. And with no flying at the start, this felt like the most mind-numbingly tedious achievement I've done. Oh yeah, and no reward for that either, except for you get to throw your junk in the pantry of the Horde garrison.
2. Going to need a bigger bag - Sometimes I still have nightmares about farming crabs. Sadly I missed the time when the pets were tradable and counter towards the achiev. As of now, I am still missing 3-4 items, but I gave it up. It's just not worth it. Killing crabs for a full hour, just so it spawns on the other side of the island, where some trigger-happy dude blows all his cds on it, as if he just saw Sargeras himself. For a measly 10ap? Good riddance.
I've been reduced to watching videos about wow grinding to cope with wow classic anticipation. I'm in big trouble.
Even though I haven't been playing wow your recent videos have really interested me, keep up the good work!
I appreciate that...thanks, Xombie!
Man i love these videos.. I love to listen to ur stuff while exploration vanilla world of warcraft.. Thanks for acknowledging our world mate :) We all just want to play our favourite video game guys!
I don't typically comment except to make memey jokes on UA-cam videos, but I just wanted to say that I really enjoy your videos, Mad - they're all very well edited and you do your research and you aren't some overhyping jackass like some others I could think of. So, thanks. Great videos.
I didn't really make a comment to start a discussion, I just wanted him to know he should keep it up because I (and others) enjoy it. If you don't think he's doing well, tell him what he's doing wrong, but maybe less angrily.
The hardest grind in WoW history, and almost in MMO history, was the vanilla PvP honor system grind to rank 14. In order to make progress from rank 12-14, you needed to be in the top ~10-15 spots for your entire server in pvp honor points earned (by killing players or winning battlegrounds). For most heavily populated servers, this meant you needed 1,000,000-2,000,000 pts in a week. In order to not LOSE progress in rank 13, you needed to be in the top 1-4 positions for your entire server for honor points earned at the end of the week. Considering during vanilla that most servers had upwards of 3,000+ players, and many of those players were cheating by playing in shifts (or paying asian farmers to grind pvp points for them), you basically had to be pvp'ing for about 12-16 hours a day, every day, to have any chance. If you were #1 in honor points for your server each week, you could get through rank 13-14 in about 3 weeks. But most people couldn't maintain #1, and they'd fall to #2-10 in honor points, and then it would be much longer to get through rank 13. Most people that got rank 14 were so burned out on the game they quit and/or sold their account. I've heard there are some worse grinds in Lineage, but very few MMO's had grinds that required someone play an average of 15 hours a day to not lose progress in said grind
I never played vanilla but Jesus Christ that’s some serious dedication right there.
@@cornflakeshumunculus8373 I did it, and it got me really good at pvp. Went on to get rank 1 in 5v5 and rank 1 in 3v3 for arenas during TBC. You would think that anyone pvp'ing that much every day would "git gud" but there was a stigma against r14 players, that they just had lots of free time but weren't good at pvp. I think that because a lot of people who got rank 14 paid asian farmers to grind for them, or had guildmates share their account in shifts secretly, a lot of them didn't improve much at pvp
I got to rank 13, did not reach the glorious rank 14.
The Lunacy trinket + "the Insane" title = "This is MADNESS!"
The Wintersaber was insane for non-druids too. You have to grind rep in Felwood Timbermaw to get access to Winterspring, THEN you can start grinding for Wintersaber.
Just found this vid. Great channel. I started with Shendralar and was part way through when they removed it. I use "the Insane" on every character, no other. If you want the title, be prepared to do nothing else in the game or it will take forever. You have to commit. The only thing that I can say about the vid is to get your goblin reps up to exalted first, then work on Bloodsail. Rather than Booty Bay kills, I went to the pirate ship SE of Stromgarde in Faldir's Cove and repeatedly killed the NPC's. You can get your Goblin rep back so you can again enter the cities with cloth turn-ins to a Goblin outside of Booty Bay. I haven't gotten around to it. Darkmoon rep was costly. Inscription didn't exist so all cards were obtained from drops or buying on AH.
Hey MadSeason I have to say i realy like your stuff. Quitted WoW 4 Years ago but still your videos are realy entertaining. Dunno why but your voice is also realy relaxing :D. keep going !
Great video! I look forward to the next one. Oh and I love it when the D3 music comes on.
Forgot the absolute hardest grind in the history of WoW. This grind made getting the insane title look like a walk in the park. I'm of course talking about the High Warlord/Grand Marshall grind.
Yep, cause it was a competitive grind. There were people who played their asses off an entire week, but never got HW title cause some other guy was grinding slightly harder. And then you had to redo it all over again.
Memories. Love rewatching these videos.
Awesome Vid! Can't wait for part 2! Grinded exalted with the Timbermaw and at that time I was only the 3rd to achieve the feat. Felt so good with that trinket that summons the ancestor to fight at your side LOL (although for a super limited quick time) , and of course the old school Frostsaber rep to get the awesomely white kitty From winter spring! Happy days!!!!
Grinding out the tailoring sets during tbc was a pretty big pain. I did both the spell fire and frozen shadow weave on a mage and spriest along with the spell strike pants and hood on both. Also hitting exalted with all the dungeon reps although most of the rewards weren't that good for my toons and just did it because I liked the dungeons during tbc.
Yes tailoring grinds!! Took forever!!
Just buy someone CDs and you can get it in no time. And the dungeon reps was needed to do heroic which was required for raiding as you would need to do the 4 max level dungeons in each zone to be attuned. I still use my Champion of the Sha'Tar title sometimes
Everytime i see a video from you on my feed i get so happy . Thank you!
Glad to hear you enjoy them...thanks for watching!
The hardest grind for me was Battlemaster title. It had tons of luck tied to it. You actually had to put forth tons of effort in BGs to cap, win games, get kills and do the objectives. It took me two years of almost straight PvP and I finally got it in 2010.
lol you played an alliance toon on a horde server didnt you ... did that grind when it first came out on my undead mage ... took 2 weeks .... did it on my human mage in 3 weeks just after too ... yeah different server alliance dominated .... seems people forget that min level toon can still run flags if the team is willing to cover their skinny butt while they haul hiney back across the map .... best toon to do it in is a gnome mage engineer ... in frost spec with arcane POM .... drop target dummies and any freeze spells you got when nearing enemies and blink away then add a pot of run speed and pom and blink and your across 90% of the field .... warsong was the best place to bg as a gnome pre riding as you were small enough to actually hide your name plate and toon in bushes and under carts ... no other toon could do that .... after the main rush past you snuck into their chamber and told your side get ready im grabbing the flag comming .... either tunnel ramp or gy .... the teamates would pull the mob to the opposite side and you did your thing ... the helaers would space out along the field and at your tunnel area to keep you alive and the rest would smack anything that came close ... while you froze it or delayed it anyway you could .... then of course the never fail have to clobber thier flag runner as he tries to leave with your flag while you are carrying his ... sooo many fights between flag carriers with 20 peeps in one room all trying to kill everything in sight lol
I got battlemaster fairly easily during WOTLK expansion because horde was dominating the battlegrounds, especially strand of the ancient where we had around 90% win rate, got 70 wins straight in 1day I remember
Uhhh do them all at low lv its way easier specially if u get a 5 man
Justicar / Conqueror in its hardest iteration was really brutal also. Dunno when it was hardest. Post mark rep turning removal and pre rep increases for winning etc. So i guess during WOTLK!
Also at a point during the game the goblin factions & Bloodsail had to be in the required reputaton state at the same time. Again i dunno when this was but i remember grinding a mob in Arathi Highlands for it since he gave rep for Bloodsail without lowering rep with goblin factions. (kinda like the repeatable dire maul quest)
vanilla/bc/wotlk rep grinds were actually grinds... i bet the game is dumbed down so hard with next iterations.. i played 2 months in cata.. and was suprised how dumbed down/ casual the game had become... 2weeks, epics.. i think in pretty much 3-4weeks i was done with entire content and nothing to do...
if id me cosmetics / pet collector.. would be fun in wow probably.. otherwise it seems that this game has become nothing more than that... might be mistaken...
This title is mostly a given on the road to r14, only had to farm some AB afterwards for the Tabard. Achievements weren't even a thing back then.
If I recall correctly they removed some requirements for it in wotlk and made it much easier. You know, years after some of us did the grind.
Soo glad you mentioned Jazzrik, my favorite "easter egg" in the old game. Killed him about ~300 times before I came to my senses XD
Farming Skyshards in Vale for the mount when you played that short clip at the end was so nostalgic for me
If you didn't want to lose rep with the Buccaneers, you could also do quests for this goblin located in western Feralas on the shore, just outside of the dock for the ship that takes you to Feathermoon stronghold. He had 2 repeatable quests that required you to circle the area around him and kill giants and water elementals. Simple stuff. I remember the rep increase wouldn't be displayed though. If you wanted to check your progress, you had to log out and back in.
i'm up for any wow series you put out. you do a pretty amazing job with the channel in general. keep on doing stuff, always love to see a madseason video in the sub box!
I actually have the title "Bloodsail Admiral" on my main. Great vid as usual.
I swear it's like watching a discovery channel! Keep it up!
Definitely an interesting topic.. I look forward to seeing it unfold.
Bit of a difference in "oh, I'll put 100 hours of my time into this reward nobody else will have and that will make my gameplay that much better!" and "I'll put 400 hours of my time into this thing that will not matter in a week/that catch up mechanisms will make redundant"
Hardest grind I ever made was getting the world boss mounts, only missing Rukhmar mount. [Solar Spirehawk]: 0/2139 attempts so far (65.69% - unlucky)
That's a good point. All of those pandaria mounts have a .1% drop, only killable once a week. Pretty grindy! Easier with alt spam though
I got Solar on 172 try, but I still miss Sha and Oondasta- both are over 3000 tries atm...I feel your pain...
oh the nostalgia, back when DMF card trinkets were highly sought after.
Whoa! I did a bit of research - I've been relying on the achievement tracker and fearing that I needed to redo my Bloodsail grind. Apparently they have fixed that (I hope?) and now I only need to do the Ravenholdt farm. Awesome video! :D
Great idea for a series. This video was a great start.
You are such and underrated WOW youtuber, great video as always!
MadSeason time to change the name in MadMan, you are maki g so much new and cool new series for your channel. Thank you for amazing content you make
Having Exalted bloodsail and cartel reps at the same time is one of the coolest things I can think of in WoW. Hardcore grind.
Could you do an episode or a series of Twink Characters in world of warcraft? Over powered characters that stopped at certain levels to get the best gear for PvP
MadSeason - if I'm not completely wrong, there's another mob you could have farmed for exalted Bloodsail Pirates - he's located on the west coast of wetlands, protected by 2 guards at a very small harbour. A friend of mine got this title, when it was released, cause he already had everything :D He even farmed Bloodsails to exalted.
Got mine during January 2010 - ahhhh killing these 24.900 Pirates in Ratchet, this was cool stuff :D I miss these grinds, so I started farming all available transmog ingame for shamans - but it's literally no comparison. I'm 3 months in the grind and already got 91% of everything + Antorus-Shit isn't even available. I will be done in 2-3 weeks for the "current available"-stuff.
Except for World Boss-Mounts there's no real challenge left for collectors out there :/
That winterspring tiger mount was pretty danged obnoxious.
I did it before the cub quest, so I have the feat, but I hear it was even worse for people who did it in vanilla.
AdaptiveReasoning I have the feat too. Isnt it aviable anymore? Edit: I mean the feat
ye before flying and those quest it was a pretty tedious grind
OG Winterspring was painful. I believe the quests were 75 rep per turn in. It was updated to 250 at some point before the cub became a thing. I got midway through Friendly in Vanilla and couldn't do it anymore.
In Vanilla the quests were actually 50 rep / quest. You did the Furbolg Village which was most efficient. It took about 9 minutes in best case / quest. I generally managed 1000 rep / day and in weekends about 3000 some days.
In TBC pre patch I think they incresed the rep to 75.
I just got the mount before the patch. There was only like 5 others with the mount in a High pop realm.
I did the rep grind too. Pretty pissed when I saw they changed it to a daily.
Arathi Basin - for the epic ring, and Alterac Valley for the Unstoppable force - I stayed up nights for that.
This is exactly the series I've been wanting to watch! You should do the tol'vir archaeology grind or tusks of mannoroth.
Bro, i don't even have a quarter of the Exalted rep that you do lol. That's dedication sir.
I love your content and i also love the fact that you use the diablo 3 soundtrack keep up the work :))
your welcome for the support man keep up the good work
I don't know, I feel Winterspring Frost Saber Mount was still definitely top. At least you got the rep when killing the mobs most of the time or could use gold/gatherig for mutliple stuff.
You got a quest, treked all the way through the zone to kill creatures. Then treked back to turn in. The first quest with meat was not as far but you were not guaranteed drops. You needed ten pieces of meat, 5 from two diff beasts. If you had a PERFECT drop rate and got one per mob it was equivlant to 5 rep per mob... Then you had to mount back to turn in. Mind you you had to mount through the sabers and sometimes they would swarm you and kill you if unlucky.
The second quest required a longer run but you just needed kills. 10 kills, two named types of furbolg. So this time it was guaranteed 5 rep per mob, thing was it was a small area and competition existed... And then running back risking death to sabers and turning in.
The third quest with frost giants I do not recall much. I just remember saying "F it not worth it".
It took 2 entire freaking months of anywhere from 4 to 8 hours a day doing the same freaking quests over and over again...
I honestly think this, precata ofc, belonged in that insanity achiev because lets be real... insanity.
Seriously love your channel, man.
Keep these series coming! Great video as always :D
I already had all the requirements for the achievement when it came out, and got it day one (toon: Multani on Vol'jin EU if you want to check).
I really enjoyed grinding reputations back then, it actually was my main occupation outside of raiding.
I'm not even sure I could stand doing it again today.
"Funny" story: I wanted to reach 1000/1000 exalted with the Bloodsail Buccaneers. In order to do so, I was farming that goblin NPC (24-48h respawn) on a remote island.
I stopped at around 500/1000 (can't remember why, maybe they removed the NPC from the game, or I just got sick of it).
Then, when Cataclysm hit, I worked my way towards quest achievements, as they revamped all the areas in the game. When completing a random quest in Swamp of Sorrows (involving goblins), I almost fainted when it triggered a 375 hit on my Bloodsail rep.
I abandoned all low level quests I had in my log and never got back in that area.
YEEE BABY... THE INSANE TITLE...i remember dit it in Lich king time! :D whas need to lvl a roque to60 to pickpocket some mobs @ blackrock mountain.
Loved this video, keep up the series man!
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The guy killing Jazzrik must spent around 140 days doing that. 140 days of full gameplay time. Amazing.
Who taught you maths?
I always enjoy your vids man! Keep them coming!
Awesome uploads lately man! keep up the good work,
I really love seeing people put real serious time and effort into WoW videos, there's not very many people that are actively uploading interesting-quality content for WoW anymore
(I know there are a few popular UA-camrs/Streamers but compared to MoP its decreased by a good amount).
Also to the people that complain these videos have been done by so many people... just stop
There's nothing wrong with someone making better quality videos with more clear information, Some things are just better with change. I remember when Thottbot was the Go-to site for everything wow related and WoW-head was considered crap.
You also get a sweet title from getting honored (or revered) with Bloodsail. The Bloodsail Admiral! I got it on my dk in mop :)
There used to be pirates near Ratchet that you could kill for Steamwheedle Cartel rep, but they were removed in Cataclysm.
It was possible to kill pirates outside of Ratchet to restore reputation with all the goblin factions (all the way to exalted in fact). These pirates were not part of the Bloodsail Buccaneer faction, and caused no reputation loss with them. They rewarded 2.5 reputation with Ratchet and 1 with the other 3 goblin factions if my memory serves right. If you were the appropriate level for the mobs, they rewarded the full amount: 25 with ratchet and 5 with the rest. A patch later in wotlk (I can't remember which), made all quests and kills yield the full reputation amount, even if they were trivial ("gray") to you. Noteable, the hydraxian waterlords faction (Molten Core) would take absurdly long time to get to exalted with at level 80 without this change, with just over 200 reputation available per week (Most bosses would give 100 rep at the appropriate level, but level 80 was too high, and get an 80% penalty).
WOW doesn't deserve a blogger so good as you ❤
I love that with certain reps, if you raised one then it would lower another, adds a layer of realism to the game, with they would do that more.
Before I watch this all I gotta say: "The Insane" title better be on this list!
edit: I wasn't disappointed lol
The extra trade materials for the Librams made me roll my eyes hard
[Legendary Pet Brawler]
[Going To Need A Bigger Bag]
[10,000 World Quests Completed]
[The Seat of Knowledge]
[Warlord of Draenor]
I've done pretty much all grinds in the game and these are the ones that come to mind as being the most time consuming.
best wow channel by far, you and Hiru rock
There are two that I found nearly as hard or harder than some of these. I have the Winterspring Frostsaber. That grind was ridiculous. I was also exalted with the Timbermaw in Vanilla, before there was a repeatable quest or turn ins. I got 1 rep for killing the normal enemies and 5 for killing the single enemy 'boss' in the game. There is also one non-grind farm that drove me crazy, and that was trying to farm a crimson whelpling in Wetlands.
You could level up rep with the steamwater cartel if you killed the South sea pirates in tanaris and it didn't affect your bloidsail rep, if I'm not mistaken
cool video! Im not playing wow since pandas but find this channel very interesting
keep up!
Behealial Klo Its been 5 years and barely anyone plays them.
I did this rep in wrath. There was issues on high pop servers and the amount of instances that would be open server side. I stood at dire maul trying to get in over and over for hours to do turn ins. I called it the instance monster and he was a pain. The lock boxes were easy if you had a rogue. Just have him go to scholomance and pick pocket the mobs off from gandlings then over to raz room. By the time you finish you run the pockets would respawn. Then drop the mailbox and send to the main you were grinding for. Very time consuming but a race for server first.
Holy shit. Only time I've ever heard Dentarg be mentioned on any video. GG wigwam
I remember back in vanilla, there was no good blue necklace for hunters, in the dungeons, and I my guild was just starting to raid (which they had to do with another guild to get enough people) so I got exalted with DMF. So many bat eyes. So many bags full of bat eyes and DMF cards. After all that grinding, my guild began to raid while I was at work, and that was the first time I quit WoW.
2:39 I'm fairly certain you could get Blood of Heroes in Western Plaguelands as well. I once got ganked when I wandered too close to elite mobs spawned by some blood in Andorhal.
Awesome video again I love your content. Keep it awesome!
Awesome and entertaining video as always:)
2:35 blood of heroes was also found in WPL
As for the cartel rep, you could farm other sorts of pirates, like the very low level ones in the barrens
There were pirates north of Ratchet that restored Booty Bay rep without damaging Bloodsail rep. The payoff was 1 rep per kill and 5 rep for the captain. I spent a good month there in Wrath. I still didn't get the "Insane" title because Darkmoon Fair. What a biotch!
Am I hearing Street Fighter 2 Blanka music around 7:20?
you have very good ears. yes, it is indeed blankas theme.
I did this grind, and it killed any urge i had to do completely unnecessary grinds in not only WoW, but every game I've played again :D
I was so happy to finally get this title. Two alts were created for the sole purpose of the title; including my rogue (lockboxes) and shaman (inscription for darkmoon decks).
If i wanted to get the Bloodsail title, or if i planned to get rep with the bloodsail. There are goblins in the Stranglethorn Valley and an enemy that you actually kill as a final part of a quest, and you get rep with the Booty Bay and all that farming those goblins. I think you can get all the way up to revered way back when like this. So you farm those goblins (which if you were the only one in the area killing them you could use a "route" of sorts so you were always killing a goblin) and then you'd kill booty bay NPC's to get rep with the bloodsail, then you'd do quests for booty bay (except the ones that required you to kill bloodsail) and it was possible to be exalted with booty bay and honored with the bloodsail at the same time. The goblins i speak of are a "logging co" variety.
2:30 you said Black Diamonds, which may be confusing - these ones are pretty common compared to Pristine Black Diamonds, which were required.