Hi Will! Resurrection abilities were also made non-combat (I think in the very last patch of beta). Imagine how different the game would have been if every healing class could have rezzed in combat!
And Paladins had Crusader Strike, though IIRC it was more like Heroic Strike for Warriors. Kinda wish we got to keep that, we need one more button to press while levelling lol.
There was Holy Strike and Crusader Strike, Crusader would've given a debuff increasing amount of Holy Damage taken, Holy Strike would've done Holy Damage, you'll see some NPCs that still have Crusader Strike sometimes
the pserver turtle wow did this a few years ago, mostly 1.12 but they put in these 2 spells, despite kevin jordan revealing they never ever intended for these abilities to be alongside the vanilla seal system. This crusader strike ended being used like Hamstring spam on a warrior, serving to proc stuff. GCD locking paladin caused a lot of issues. Holy strike inherently has a double dipping problem as it benefited from both physical and spell modifiers, that caused it to be wildly unbalanced in weird conditions. Sure 1.12 paladin can be improved by anything really. But uncutting these 2 abilities as is, turns out is foolish. Turtle wow has now settled on Crusader strike being like TBC, and Holy strike turning into a cool unique weapon indepedent support+tanking strike. It's a far better system.
I thought for sure that you'd talk about shaman's having real tanking functionality in the alpha. And how it was removed just before launch. With a few aspects being missed by the devs. Such as Rockbiter Weapon and Earthshock generating extra threat. The reason why they scrapped it was due to not getting the coding to work to link totem aggro with the shaman. It was too late in development to revamp them. So, they stripped them instead and left uf with an awkward and broken spec.
Why wouldn’t they just fix it in an update? Classic has such a shortage of tanks, especially on horde. Maybe they just thought people would be upset about such a big change?
Yet even so shamans were able to tank in Classic. Some did it even in raids. Although yes, awkwardly, but it worked. @WillEmmo should definitely do a vid about that.
i kinda hate "rogues once had bucklers" as a unkown fact because its so wildly known a this point- especiallly post SoD where it got circulated more in regards to rogue evasion tanking and all that trivia-- i actually think rogue evasion tanking is a more interesting piece of trivia than the buckler tidbit
Serpent totem is clearly taken from Warcraft 3 where the Witch Doctor hero had this exact ability. The Witch Doctor and the Shaman abilities were squished into the same class, so it is clearly from there. I assume it was changes into Searing Totem to make all totems look alike instead of having a unique model for it. I do think it is sad. That Serpent totem looks awesome, and the animation is quite cool. It would have definitely pulled some attention in PvP having that totem spit fire balls at your enemies!
so alot of the stuff here was in the original shipped version of wow and was changed during vanilla when blizzard did talent work word passes. ret really had consecrate and kings as a bottem talent. survival did in fact have a shitty bleed at the bottem of the tree.
I’d rather have that shitty bleed than the even shittier sting you can’t use in combat with a 2 minute CD and that is a sleep effect which is interruptible and cleansable.
I think a lot of issues the talent trees had probably could of been fixed if they had just taken the active abilities out and made them apart of the classes then just make the tree a passive tree instead of a combination of actives and passives. Especially when spells like consecration or sweeping strikes are in it and those abilities themselves already improve aoe threat generation for tanks and don't really change but improve the classes overall play style.
8:17 It was actually pretty good and way more fleshed out than paladin and shaman melee gameplay. I’m tired of people thinking the only hunter fantasy is an archer and conflating archery with being a ranger and not the historical infantry unit. Maybe stop hiding behind a pet and interact with the entire class and you’ll find there’s more fun to be had instead of an excuse to watch something on another screen…
if blizzard ever did a REAL classic+. combat rogue should get buckler specialization. thus becoming the REAL rogue tank. SoD rogue tank is fun, but its more retail rogue than it is classic rogue. in fact all classic+ needs is just everything vanilla didnt get. even the good and the bad. all the supposed potential content, missing items, quests etc. everything that couldve been potential at that time just in classic that just didnt make, just be given a new opprotunity. cause why not we already got 5 different version of wow, why not 1 more experimental one. even go further by introducing the High Elves even with the rogue character model or something to im tons of classic old heads have been wanting to make a character with the high elf models we see around the world for a long time.
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They just decided the make paladin terrible after the alpha
Hi Will!
Resurrection abilities were also made non-combat (I think in the very last patch of beta). Imagine how different the game would have been if every healing class could have rezzed in combat!
And Paladins had Crusader Strike, though IIRC it was more like Heroic Strike for Warriors. Kinda wish we got to keep that, we need one more button to press while levelling lol.
There was Holy Strike and Crusader Strike, Crusader would've given a debuff increasing amount of Holy Damage taken, Holy Strike would've done Holy Damage, you'll see some NPCs that still have Crusader Strike sometimes
the pserver turtle wow did this a few years ago, mostly 1.12 but they put in these 2 spells, despite kevin jordan revealing they never ever intended for these abilities to be alongside the vanilla seal system.
This crusader strike ended being used like Hamstring spam on a warrior, serving to proc stuff. GCD locking paladin caused a lot of issues.
Holy strike inherently has a double dipping problem as it benefited from both physical and spell modifiers, that caused it to be wildly unbalanced in weird conditions.
Sure 1.12 paladin can be improved by anything really. But uncutting these 2 abilities as is, turns out is foolish. Turtle wow has now settled on Crusader strike being like TBC, and Holy strike turning into a cool unique weapon indepedent support+tanking strike. It's a far better system.
I thought for sure that you'd talk about shaman's having real tanking functionality in the alpha. And how it was removed just before launch. With a few aspects being missed by the devs. Such as Rockbiter Weapon and Earthshock generating extra threat. The reason why they scrapped it was due to not getting the coding to work to link totem aggro with the shaman. It was too late in development to revamp them. So, they stripped them instead and left uf with an awkward and broken spec.
Why wouldn’t they just fix it in an update? Classic has such a shortage of tanks, especially on horde. Maybe they just thought people would be upset about such a big change?
Yet even so shamans were able to tank in Classic. Some did it even in raids. Although yes, awkwardly, but it worked. @WillEmmo should definitely do a vid about that.
i kinda hate "rogues once had bucklers" as a unkown fact because its so wildly known a this point- especiallly post SoD where it got circulated more in regards to rogue evasion tanking and all that trivia--
i actually think rogue evasion tanking is a more interesting piece of trivia than the buckler tidbit
I played from 2004 to Cataclysm end game. I never knew this and I'm glad he included it.
I Love "uknown" facts
I love cheese
@@purepeter4737 the cheese one can find fumunda?
i only knew about the mage lockpick spell, not everyone who plays classic has been here since 2004
Lol! 😂
Good job guys, we successfully bullied WillE into changing the title
I think it means Felblade is a temporary weapon enchant for your character, it's not the imp attacking but rather buffing a friendly.
A 3min fiery enchant
A few of those talents shipped with the game. Repentance and BoK for example, but the priest and druid too. The stuff you showed.
Got here, but not before the weird complementing bots
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This video made me cream my pants
Fr it’s so cringe when content creators hire this ai spew for better content metrics and algo help. Lame and cornball William
You have an enormous dongle
Bring Sleep back for Priests!
I agree. In D&D, it was a mage/wizard spell, but it really does fit the priest theme and would be more reliable than mind control and psychic scream.
Watching that part about Priest in the video was interesting, they pretty much were going to be a "Scarlet Monk"
13 minutes?! I can't solo farm ZF to this!
lmao at mage's having lockpicking.
"OG Hero Class"
Serpent totem is clearly taken from Warcraft 3 where the Witch Doctor hero had this exact ability. The Witch Doctor and the Shaman abilities were squished into the same class, so it is clearly from there.
I assume it was changes into Searing Totem to make all totems look alike instead of having a unique model for it.
I do think it is sad. That Serpent totem looks awesome, and the animation is quite cool. It would have definitely pulled some attention in PvP having that totem spit fire balls at your enemies!
You could’ve added some things about races like Tauren having plains running, for example.
Regardless, great video as usual!
Kings at end of Ret tree with 5 minutes buffs till aq40 would have been brutal!
so alot of the stuff here was in the original shipped version of wow and was changed during vanilla when blizzard did talent work word passes. ret really had consecrate and kings as a bottem talent. survival did in fact have a shitty bleed at the bottem of the tree.
I’d rather have that shitty bleed than the even shittier sting you can’t use in combat with a 2 minute CD and that is a sleep effect which is interruptible and cleansable.
Looking at early wow versions, one can really see its roots coming from DnD classes
I think a lot of issues the talent trees had probably could of been fixed if they had just taken the active abilities out and made them apart of the classes then just make the tree a passive tree instead of a combination of actives and passives. Especially when spells like consecration or sweeping strikes are in it and those abilities themselves already improve aoe threat generation for tanks and don't really change but improve the classes overall play style.
0:14 my warriors 5 point damage increase on hamstring, WOW INCREDIBLE
8:17 It was actually pretty good and way more fleshed out than paladin and shaman melee gameplay. I’m tired of people thinking the only hunter fantasy is an archer and conflating archery with being a ranger and not the historical infantry unit. Maybe stop hiding behind a pet and interact with the entire class and you’ll find there’s more fun to be had instead of an excuse to watch something on another screen…
I remember serpent totem for shamans being in the released version.
if blizzard ever did a REAL classic+. combat rogue should get buckler specialization. thus becoming the REAL rogue tank. SoD rogue tank is fun, but its more retail rogue than it is classic rogue.
in fact all classic+ needs is just everything vanilla didnt get. even the good and the bad. all the supposed potential content, missing items, quests etc. everything that couldve been potential at that time just in classic that just didnt make, just be given a new opprotunity. cause why not we already got 5 different version of wow, why not 1 more experimental one. even go further by introducing the High Elves even with the rogue character model or something to im tons of classic old heads have been wanting to make a character with the high elf models we see around the world for a long time.
6:52 they didn't have Moonkin form until 1.7 or 1.8
Finally I play vanilla in 2005 andvI was sure hurracane was the end of the druid talent
Scarshield Warlocks soloable? They are in LBRS in packs of 4 elites lol.
I don't understand why did they remove molten blast? Is it for a shaman to cast nothing while being nature locked ?
The game is 20 years old. There are no unknown anything...
Comments bug?
I just watch your videos for you voice
Someone tell me warrior part again pls with basic english 😅😅
I love these videos. Please continue!
These things allrdy got hundreds of vids of them and are Not unknown
finally more content! YES!!! LETS GO!!!
Cool video!
The charge in combat for warriors wouldf been so fun to play
Keep milking babe!!!!!!!!
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More Clickbait regurgitated slop from WillE.
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Good video
how do you milk the same shit over and over for years
"Protection is bad at tanking."
Tell that to the guilds that cleared content without issue in Vanilla.
I don’t think anyone cleared naxx without issue back then. But yeah the way players approach the game now is very different from 20 years ago
I believe there is a 3 person group that took down Onyxia, just because it can be done, doesnt mean its the optimal way to do it.
@@IJJusion 'Optimal'. Take that shit and stuff it.
The game is dead
Servers are still stacked idk what you mean
Too stacked:( can‘t quest
Hitting dislike and clicking off video this time. The title is click bait, none of the facts are relevant to the released version of the game.