If you listen to the acolytes of carbon emissions reduction, they will continue to crank up the regs like a python until we are all riding bicycles. Ultimately YOU are the carbon they want to reduce....
There is actually no reason at all to reduce carbon emissions. Let’s look at this like we aren’t insane liberals pretending Hunter isn’t a crack head. Our planet which has been here for about a billion years longer then humans is actually smarter then we are. The more animals (humans) or any other animal on the planet, the more food the planet has to produce to support said animals so the planet knowing this heats up to create a longer growing season for the herbivores and in turn more food for the carnivores. So the planet heating up isn’t a bad thing at all. Now I know I know everyone says but but but the oceans are gonna rise and flood the coast lines. Negative not gonna happen the hotter the planet gets the faster the water on the planet evaporates and the more it rains to produce more plant matter if every gram of snow on the planet all melted tomorrow because the planet was so hot it would just evaporate and fall back down as rain somewhere and more then likely our deserts and Sahara’s would turn back into forests and grasslands for the herbivores. Every single liberal green idiot needs a real lesson in how our plant works.
I don’t think it’ll be that bad it’s a good idea everything below the head gasket is going to be the same with I’m sure a little different pistons of course but a new head and ignition system and the elimination of a dpf system that’s a trade I’d be willing to make especially if Cummins is doing it I think that would put ram hd trucks ahead of the market a ways
That’s by design. These “democrats” are pushing for a socialist/communist one world order where the majority are dirt poor and only the filthy rich own vehicles, property and eat real foods
As a Dodge/RAM truck fan all my 63 years and being a mechanic for 45 years I think it would be foolish if they don't use this engine in the HD RAM trucks.
I couldn't imagine being a mechanic and still somehow being so ignorant that I'd continue to buy dodge vehicles. The amount of short cuts and cost cutting I find on these trucks is disgusting and that's speaking from experience on our half ton and 1 ton service trucks. And from experience doing a resto on a 90 ramcharger. Junk brand selling you a half ass product designed to fail, at least they made them simple to fix for the most part.
@@frankenstrat25all brands have these short cuts you speak of and dodge makes the nicest trucks with the least short cuts imo so pick your choice. I know people with 3-700k miles on their trucks. I think we know what we’re doing
Well done video. I like the Cummins gas motor option in the heavy duty truck applications. Should help bridge the gap with low end torque between diesel and gas engines, especially while towing. Cummins is the perfect company to introduce these new generations of gas engines based on their previous reputation of power and reliability across the board.
I can imagine the sound living in an emissions state of a gas 6.7 cummins with no muffler. I think I can live with the loss of the hemi in the 1500 if I can hear that cummins sound legally. And the reliability of a deleted 6.7 and some because id assume that a failing gas injector cant melt a piston, let alone a diesel piston. Pray they actually do this. Id go as far to say that if done, the gas 6.7 would lower current pre emission diesel prices back to normal.
The Duke says, who says it's going to be overbuilt? Diesel engines are overbuilt by design because of the high compression they create. You don't need an over designed overbuilt block for a gas motor. For example the 6.4 hemi is not built like a diesel engine. That includes Chevy and Ford. Stellantis is going to want them to make it as light as possible. What did I teach you?
@@bigedmayrait would be more expensive to design and build two different engine blocks, did you not watch the video at all. He literally said they plan to use the engine base engine design and essentially only change the head based on what fuel the engine will be using. Much cheaper to design and produce 1 engine with interchangeable parts than design 2 or 3 different engines
From my personal experience with hd diesels, paccar cummins perkins detroit CAT, and learning from old school mechanics. I personally believe that the gas inline 6 could be a new power base do to displacement and revamped designs, coming a long way from prior inline gassers, with alot of upgrades to the older style engines they could get pretty rowdy. In short I'm excited🤘
Wrong, I've owned several of them including the fuel injected models and they are absolute dogs compared to a 302/5.0. My current daily driver is a 95 Econoline with a 4.9 l and even after converting it to a side draft Delorto 2v carburetor it still gets 10 to 11 Mi per gallon and is a total dog, causing me to hand shift it to keep up with traffic
They did this because aftertreatment woes on the mid duty diesel trucks are causing too many problems. The 6.7 gasser is going into class 5 trucks only
You know, I love the idea of this. Especially the “overbuilt” aspect of this gasoline engine. However, I can’t help be skeptical wondering if Stellantis will do this. I have no inside information, but it sure seems to me it’s going to be one heavy, and expensive engine. I can understand the efficiencies in manufacturing, but I’m not sure it will be enough to prevent a large increase in MSRP. As far as performance, it’s going to have to be a low-revving grunt monster. I can’t see this reciprocating mass revving much. Probably will be fine (probably great) in a big truck. I’m cautiously excited.
The expensive parts of the diesel Cummins are, the ultra high pressure fuel pump, the Ultra high pressure injectors, the $8,000.00-ish to replace exhaust, take this away and you get a much simpler, much lower cost, much lower maintenance engine. The problem with all the current gas turbo truck engines is super high cylinder pressures, heat etc from squeezing tons of horsepower out of half this engine size.
Large I6’s tend to have exactly the torque curve you’re talking about. Max torque well below 2500 rpms. The old Ford 300s acted just like that. A bigger, more modern HD I6 just makes sense. V8s are great, but an inline just makes more sense for a truck.
I like this gas engine with a turbo. The horsepower and torque numbers sound good and is prolly a lot more cost effective than a diesel. I like my diesel but this would be a good alternative
The Cummins gas engine might just be the ticket. Imagine everything you love about your current Cummins including the awesome fuel economy, now imagine the fuel is 50 cents cheaper and there’s no def. Win win win.
I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but here in southern Nevada diesel is finally about 50 cents less than regular unleaded. NOW the world is no longer upside down like its been for several years in this aspect. Now, cheaper fuel, better MPG, better reliability and longevity in a diesel, so I'll keep my 2006 pretty EGR system 24 Valve 5.9 Cummins. Never had an issue with this engine.
Diesel was always $0.50 cheaper then gasoline until the year 2000. Consequently, gasoline was $1.46 in 2000. Now in 2014 diesel prices went to being $0.50 cheaper then gasoline that year but, no one ever said anything or ask why. Like it never happened.
Personally I think they should stop taking things away from us like children and let us choose ex. 6.4 6.7 5.7 etc. why try and fix it/take it if it’s not broken! Grow up!!!
My brother ran a 6 cylinder with a 4 speed manual and it was a great truck with a 9 ft bed and you could not kill that 300 ford in line six it was a bad ass with twin turbo it has to be a beast !!
I am a Chevy man and had a 300 six 77 ford 3/4 ton that had a trillion miles on it from service as highways truck, it never gave up, one of the best engines ever. I think any inline 6 is the best
Two spark plugs per cylinder is a great ideal and I flew small planes and it’s amazing the difference between one spark plug per hole and two plugs per hole and it makes a big difference!!
Aircraft have two plugs for redundancy not for performance . Thats why the mags are selectable incase you drop a mag you can switch over to a secondary mag
Yeah definitely makes a difference. Doring primary training I was doing touch and go's and I eas thinking this Cherokee is a dog today. It wasn't a hot day and the barometric pressure was pretty good that day. I looked down and noticed one mag was off. Switched it back on and it was back to it's old self
You're dealing with magnetos. We haven't seen those in passenger cars in 50 years. 😂 A new good coil on plug system is capable of 60000 volts, so it's already like running 2-3 magneto driven plugs. Then you have combustion chamber shape, and piston squish. Both of which wildly change the spark required to reliably ignite the charge. Basically, relating airplanes to cars is dumb, as airplanes are old tech and haven't had to keep up with EPA to make them efficient.
@@leftyeh6495 With 2 plugs you are also having the flame front start from two different locations. It's not all about higher voltage and a wide gap. If you had a engine indicator graph, the pressure-volume curve is quite a bit different
@bigmurph1447 yes it would be Turbo. As Cummins is marketing that 6.7 gas with a Turbo. Since it would be interchangeable with the head, to run on different fuel.
@bigmurph1447 Yes, it is single turbocharged. There's already published information on this engine, Google cummins B6.7 Octane engine and see for yourself. This engine looks very promising, having no aftertreatment, no EGR, just turbo GDI with a three-way engine mounted catalyst. I really hope Stellantist uses this engine
My bet is that the base engine in the 2500 becomes the hurricane (with the existing transmission) since it already has more torque at lower RPM then the 6.4, but it won’t be good for high work duty cycles so they offer the 6.7 gasser as an upgrade with the new HD transmission for a hefty price and significant extra weight but boosting towing numbers; possibly better payload too if they offer stiffer springs with this package to help achieve towing tongue weight
I love this concept, I hope this engine is successful. If they had a very base model heavy duty truck with this engine, that would be my dream truck. No big screen, no farkles, basic radio,and vinyl seats. Even steal wheels would be great!
Kubota does this with their engines, the gas versions are just as robust and reliable as the diesel engines. I think this could be the same for Cummins and be a huge hit.
Will I be rushing out to trade in my all paid for bought new 2023 Ram 2500 HD 6.4 for this? No I’ll let the overzealous guinea pigs test it for me first on their dime ! 😂 My 6.4 does whatever I need it to do.
@billyzgoneape umm... you probably are completely unaware that diesel is quite a bit more expensive than gas. If you factor in price per mile, gas wins or equals out. Those 2500s have over 3k lbs of payload compared to 1,800 with a diesel. I have a megacab wit 4.10 rears. I live in an area thats flatter to my east and mountains to the west. I get 19mpg+ if i go east and 17.5 going west. If I am pulling horses, I get 12.2 everywhere. It doesn't seem to matter the direction. I don't drive like a jackass though. I have way over 1 million miles pulling oversized loads in a big truck. That 392 is plenty for 15k lbs. The raiting on my vin says 18,900. I don't think that's logical with any 2500. This 6.4 is fully forged. You probably didnt know that. Right down to the wrist pins. I have seen a guy with a fleet of 6, 6.4l 3500s that pull hot shots of 20k all the time. He's getting 350-450k .miles with zero issues. This cummins gasser is the same as the diesel with a different head. It probably will be better yet.
@@billyzgoneapeYa who wants more payload, no emissions or def, and to spend $10k less? A diesel makes less and less sense- these days it’s almost always going to cost more in the short and long term.
That's a great idea! As you said, the strength of the bottom end, and the rest of it is perfect. It would probably require very little re-tuning. Another hole in the head, a sensor or 2 on the crank and re-profile the cam timing. Even with the turbo, it should bring reliability up and equal to the iron block LS. I have that in my GM Silverado and it's a great engine. No reason the 6.7 would not be a very high mile engine also. Even if they used the Aisin trans, like the diesel option. Thanks!! --gary
This kind of reminds me of the Ford tractors from the late 50s and early 60s - the diesel and the gas blocks for the 172 c.i. four-cylinder were the same, so nothing else had to change except that the air cleaner had to be moved to make room for the diesel's bigger battery.
Fuel efficiency good towing characteristics, good midrange torque output, good parts availability, user serviceability. Longevity being high likely. Definitely a contender if offered in power wagon trim. Or just general work truck trim.
Imagine if Cummins did a Ford PowerBoost version of this engine. Possible 400+hp with 700lb-ft of torque plus the ability to add as an electrical generator. It would be a hell of a service truck.
I understand when you say "no emissions" what you mean, but consider you will still be looking at catalytic converter(s), EGR, EVAP, etc. I fully understand the advantages you refer to not having an exhaust filter SCR, DEF etc and not having those are huge but there are still emission control devices involved.
That would be a great idea. All 2500s and 3500s and up will have the same engine mounts and engine, making manufacturing easier and cheaper. It will be up to the owner to decide whether they want a gas or diesel version.
When you said how long Ram has partnered with Cummins, that appears to date back to 1989 when the first Dodge/ Cummins truck came out on the market. Had Dodge not done that and if they had not come up with some other diesel engine source or made their own and would have had to have been a reliable hit with the market, Dodge "Ram" sure wouldn't have the presence they have today. I know a lot of guys that bought a Ram simply because of the Cummins engine, not because they were thrilled with the truck itself ( at least years back anyway )
A lot of people like to compare the price of gas engine HD trucks vs diesel HD trucks. I see a lot of people compare things like MPG and fuel prices as well as maintenance and upfront costs. What I don't see a lot of is the resale factor. I could absolutely get away with a gas engine, but I drive a diesel instead, and it's simply because of longevity and resale. When you factor in how a diesel holds its value, they're almost always a better financial decision in the end.
Torquee turbo gas 6.7 in a HD paired to a 8spd ZF? Yes please. Those power numbers are very mild for a turbo gas engine, read reliable. Compared to 3.5EB making over 100hp/140ft-lbs per liter, vs this cummins at 50hp/100ft-lbs per liter...so hopefully it should live a long time doing HD stuff. I drive a 18 dmax but would love if there was a reliable turbo gas option from ram
If you have strong enough rods and pistons, you can make great bottom end torque all day long. Dwell time can certainly break stuff, but if the engine is designed as a package it's not a problem.
High rpm's are what kills any engine and any kind of fuel economy. Just look at the old john Deer 2 cylinder engine's those low rpm things have been around since almost the beginning of time and most still run,low rpm and high torque is we're it's at ,a decent engine shouldn't have to turn 8k rpm to make max hp and torque
I do believe partly that the 5l was a fail and the 6.7 issues all stem from epa standards. I had a 12.7l Detroit from 2000. I put on am oversized turbo and turned it up around 525hp. I ran the piss out of it for about a million miles before I sold it. Still didn't use oil. Had an N14 from 1995, same thing. 410hp. I had another n14, it was a wierd hp, 485. No issues. My dad's last motor was a C15 from 2004. He had 650k miles and then went in and took the egr out and slapped on a big turbo, then had it turnned up to over 700hp to the ground. He ran it to 1.8 million miles like that. It was using a gallon of oil every 12k miles at the end. He did an in frame and he's around 2.5 million right now. Cat made him put all the crap back on to get the factory warrenty in the rebuild. When you're blowing 30k to rebuild a motor, you want the 250k mile warranty. They need to just leave these makers alone and let them build what sells. My dad still has a 2003 ram with the 5.7l he bought new in aug of 2002. Not a thing wrong with the mechanical aspect at all. The body is rusting.
I could totally see companies like fedex and ups using a Cummins gasser in their delivery trucks as opposed to the v8s and v10s they’re currently using
The root problem of the current turbo gasoline engines is the strength of the engine platform. Ie: main, rod bearings, heads are made as light and small as possible to maximize profit and payload. CAT has long had a natural gas version of their motors. Valve recession is a significant problem with those engines, but otherwise pretty reliable. Cummins needs to pay attention to head and valve seat cooling in particular to avoid this issue. I’ll be watching!
That would be pretty awesome to have low end torque like a diesel, but be able to rev like a gas engine! I think it would be a win fir both Cummins and Dodge!
Just from the numbers this will be a diesel like low RPM engine. High torque, low horsepower and long stroke dictates this will be a very low RPM engine. If you take a similar torque curve I would assume this isn't revving over 3200 RPM from the factory.
I'm sure you'll mention this in your 5 con's video, but unless Ram finally gives up their blind adherence to the 10k GVWR for the 2500's, switching to the gas Cummins could be the death nail for their gas HD truck line. One of the prime benefits of a current gas 2500 over a Diesel is the difference in curb weight thus higher payload. If you've got a common block and a lot of similar componentry, yes you'll shave some weight by ditching the aftertreatment system, but that is gonna be one hefty beast. Far heavier than a gas HD buyer is going to be accustomed to.
Idk about ram but i bet Blue Bird is gonna slurp those fuel-agnostic engines up and ditch ford all together for their gas buses. Then all they would need is a transmission that doesnt die at 20k miles lol.
If they do this it will be the next “12 valve” in terms of reliability and cost of ownership. Cant beat it especially if the do an industrial generator/ hybrid. Generator for use as an exhaust type brake.
I think it would be a great idea., all I hear about with many new engines from all companies are timing chain and cam phaser issues. These high dollar vehicles with expensive repairs before you can even pay the vehicle off. Put the Cummins in with a 100K warranty and it should sell well.
As for towing, the biggest drawback of the gas vs diesel, is the ability to use exhaust braking with the diesel engine. Gas engines have no such capability at present. Also, will this engine use low octane fuel? Most likely not since it will be turbo'd. And I guarantee it WILL have emission controls. ALL gas engines currently have emission controls, at least in the USA. Also, fuel mileage comparisons need to be made.
I suppose this goes along with the Hurricane I6. For smog reasons it may have been more cost effective to have an all new I6 than add new items to the 6.4 hemi. I never heard of a GDI hemi V8, and I do not know what would be needed to make one. Until GM made the Gen V LS, I figured it took a DOHC 4V engine to have a GDI engine. A low revving I6 makes sense for long life. The Ford 300/4.9 was an overbuilt engine with a low redline. It only got cancelled to meet smog. The 1996 F150 was the last one, and it had all kinds of extra smog stuff. It led to the basic 1997 F150 getting the 4.2 V6.
Diesel has more btus per gallon. However, the highest horsepower engines for their size are making 4-5000hp, 4000+ ft lbs, and using the tiny BTU per gallon alcohol. 😂 They also need new rods every few thousand miles, because 8000+rpm and 5000hp beats the crap out of the aluminum rods. 😂
The problem with that transmission, based on those specs, it's rated max torque is 1000. The High Output Cummins is rated at 1075. Maybe for a standard output Cummins that is under 1000 torque. Interesting to see what happens next.
The biggest issue I see with it is the weight. These are not famous for being light. Even without the emissions equipment, it will still be an 800+lb pig. I also don't forsee them being cheap either. Ram will more likely modify the displacement of the 6.4L for power, but they don't have the monetary advantage of Ford in also being the main Gas engine supplier for motorhomes and other blank chassis applications, as well as multiple medium duty contracts. I don't expect massive changes to their HD pickup lineup.
I think I will keep my 02 80k miles fully built...and my fully DELETED 27MPG 600HP 1,500 ft lb 18 CUMMINS....and diesel is .50 cents a gallon cheaper, almost always where I live. But great video and good options for future buyers
I’d buy one for sure. 6.7 inline six with turbo charging? That would be perfect for my needs. I have a diesel but it’s getting up there in miles I’d trade it in on this
Very interesting. Love my 6.7 3500 (2011 so no def😊). Amazing truck and motor. Could be a big winner for both RAM and C to have gas version. My negatives are: 1- Cost. C motors adds a big premium to HD trucks. No way the gas version can compete with Stellantis cost to build a 6.4 Hemi. 2- Untested bleeding edge. Risk to both Ram and C to go high production of first gasser. The could be devastating to both if this engine is a stinker. 3- Performance. High torque, yes, but will likely be quite slow by going with the diesel block and long stroke pistons. So UA-cam will have fun showing off how Ford and GM walks over the C Rams ( except for towing, which is what counts). 4- Ram HD production very limited to what Cummins production volume of gas power plants. C volume of 6.7 Diesel was much less than half of the total Ram HD trucks. This new gas power plant would mean all Ram HD must have a C engine. 5- Weight. The 6.7 power plant is about 1100lbs. 6.4 is less than half. This could be a real issue for those that need high payload more than high towing capacity. Anyways, I still think good on Cummins for coming up with modern solutions.
If the 6.7 Gas is going to make such strong torque numbers, especially at such a low RPM, it’s going to have to be boosted in some fashion. You can’t build that kind of cylinder pressure that low otherwise. Also, I don’t think the stroke or weight of the rotating assembly is what helps the engine make that kind of power so low down. The heftiness of the bottom end will definitely help with reliability though. If the 6.4 was designed to handle the forces as reliably, it could do the same thing with a smaller cam, smaller ports, a redesigned combustion chamber with DI, and a turbo.
I like the style of the ram’s I like the Cumming’s engine,even the gas motor is cool, my concern is the overall price of these trucks and trucks in general in the market. stellantis seems like it’s circling the drain right now, Ram is laying off, As much as I want a new truck these manufacturers have gotten extremely greedy and it’s just too much for a lot of people and that’s why I’ll be keeping my old truck running for as long as I can.
Who really thought 80 miles pulling a travel trailer to a gas station. Then, having to drop that trailer to use the supercharger, which took almost 2 hours to charge, was acceptable performance?
That engine tranny combo would be soooo much heavier than the GM and Ford V8 offerings that it wouldn't be competitive. The whole numbers game as in payload and towing from 3/4 ton pick-ups would kill the Ram with a cummins that has the same bottom end as the diesel version and very heavy tranny built to take 660 ft/lbs of torque. Even the old 4.0L jeep 6 was heavier than V8 engines of the day, and that was comparatively light duty. With the competition going to aluminum engine blocks and heads, body panels and accessories to gain an edge, I can't see Ram going the other way.
The one downside I see is that usually spec'n a truck going from gas to diesel is an additional cost of $6K-$10K. I think with these new gas Cummins the price for the gas/diesel may very well be the same and the price of the base truck price will just be higher. Granted the gas doesn't have a $8K exhaust system on the gas version I could be wrong.
Using some old technology but different kick off. Like the older Chevy diesels that are not Detroit design. The diesel engine was so weak that GM made a gas conversion kit. The gas conversion produces more power than the diesel counterpart. With Cummins doing a gas engine head design, this will be a high compression gas engine. If it wants to pass emissions, the high likely fuel going to be used is E-85 know full well what EPA is going to set. 91 Octane will be minimum. It'd be more interesting how they are going to get to set for 87 Octane. This is going to be interesting.
If you listen to the acolytes of carbon emissions reduction, they will continue to crank up the regs like a python until we are all riding bicycles. Ultimately YOU are the carbon they want to reduce....
commuting by bike sounds pretty based ngl
Reducing carbon meanwhile the lithium mines off gas way worse on top of leveling water tables eco systems etc
There is actually no reason at all to reduce carbon emissions. Let’s look at this like we aren’t insane liberals pretending Hunter isn’t a crack head. Our planet which has been here for about a billion years longer then humans is actually smarter then we are. The more animals (humans) or any other animal on the planet, the more food the planet has to produce to support said animals so the planet knowing this heats up to create a longer growing season for the herbivores and in turn more food for the carnivores. So the planet heating up isn’t a bad thing at all. Now I know I know everyone says but but but the oceans are gonna rise and flood the coast lines. Negative not gonna happen the hotter the planet gets the faster the water on the planet evaporates and the more it rains to produce more plant matter if every gram of snow on the planet all melted tomorrow because the planet was so hot it would just evaporate and fall back down as rain somewhere and more then likely our deserts and Sahara’s would turn back into forests and grasslands for the herbivores. Every single liberal green idiot needs a real lesson in how our plant works.
Ding ding ding.
im down for that, ID even ride a damn pennyfarthing. (for style and brass huevos points.)
Because it makes sense is why stellantis probably won’t do it
I really want to see this gaser live. Inline 6 with turbos, simple and just a tad of tech has to be a hit.
Agreed
I don’t think it’ll be that bad it’s a good idea everything below the head gasket is going to be the same with I’m sure a little different pistons of course but a new head and ignition system and the elimination of a dpf system that’s a trade I’d be willing to make especially if Cummins is doing it I think that would put ram hd trucks ahead of the market a ways
@@nashdavis4607 get ready for the GPF (gas particulate filter) for 2025.
@@user-yd1dx5qs4j is it in the works? The damn epa needs to back off lol
@@nashdavis4607 yes. It's in the works. So I am hearing we will be seeing GPF in 2025 or 2026 vehicles. Get ready bud.
Sounds great! The biggest problem right now is that not many can afford the new trucks now.
and I can't see this cummins gas engine being cheap!
@TheGettyAdventures that's a good point. Basically a gasified 6.7 so yeah probably expensive
That’s by design. These “democrats” are pushing for a socialist/communist one world order where the majority are dirt poor and only the filthy rich own vehicles, property and eat real foods
Buy a real working truck if you really need one its much more cheaper !
As a Dodge/RAM truck fan all my 63 years and being a mechanic for 45 years I think it would be foolish if they don't use this engine in the HD RAM trucks.
I'm not sure why they haven't done it before, as the 5.9 was available in diesel, gas and natural gas and or propane.
I couldn't imagine being a mechanic and still somehow being so ignorant that I'd continue to buy dodge vehicles. The amount of short cuts and cost cutting I find on these trucks is disgusting and that's speaking from experience on our half ton and 1 ton service trucks. And from experience doing a resto on a 90 ramcharger. Junk brand selling you a half ass product designed to fail, at least they made them simple to fix for the most part.
@@frankenstrat25all brands have these short cuts you speak of and dodge makes the nicest trucks with the least short cuts imo so pick your choice. I know people with 3-700k miles on their trucks. I think we know what we’re doing
@@Tylers24 you obviously don't work on fiat Chrysler products
Heaviest HD gas engine for sure. It might be the next great engine for the segment.
I think only the moving parts matter for weight in this application since the truck is already heavy. Still won't be good for mpg.
Will be holding onto my 2006 5.9 G56 truck till I die.
Good, keep it it will serve you well
Lmao, I have an 05 G56 truck, never selling either
02 here. It's been the work horse since purchased. Never getting rid of it.
Well done video. I like the Cummins gas motor option in the heavy duty truck applications. Should help bridge the gap with low end torque between diesel and gas engines, especially while towing. Cummins is the perfect company to introduce these new generations of gas engines based on their previous reputation of power and reliability across the board.
I think hotrodders and tuners are also going to love an overbuilt gas engine.
big tunes incoming lol
I can imagine the sound living in an emissions state of a gas 6.7 cummins with no muffler. I think I can live with the loss of the hemi in the 1500 if I can hear that cummins sound legally. And the reliability of a deleted 6.7 and some because id assume that a failing gas injector cant melt a piston, let alone a diesel piston. Pray they actually do this. Id go as far to say that if done, the gas 6.7 would lower current pre emission diesel prices back to normal.
The Duke says, who says it's going to be overbuilt? Diesel engines are overbuilt by design because of the high compression they create. You don't need an over designed overbuilt block for a gas motor.
For example the 6.4 hemi is not built like a diesel engine.
That includes Chevy and Ford.
Stellantis is going to want them to make it as light as possible.
What did I teach you?
@@bigedmayrait would be more expensive to design and build two different engine blocks, did you not watch the video at all. He literally said they plan to use the engine base engine design and essentially only change the head based on what fuel the engine will be using. Much cheaper to design and produce 1 engine with interchangeable parts than design 2 or 3 different engines
From my personal experience with hd diesels, paccar cummins perkins detroit CAT, and learning from old school mechanics. I personally believe that the gas inline 6 could be a new power base do to displacement and revamped designs, coming a long way from prior inline gassers, with alot of upgrades to the older style engines they could get pretty rowdy. In short I'm excited🤘
arge bore / long stroke straight 6'shave always been real workhorses, remember theM Ford 300 cubic inch straight 6 pickup it was a good tow vehicle.
Them Chevy and dodge had straight 6s that where work horses not just trucks but big sedans and station wagons
Wrong, I've owned several of them including the fuel injected models and they are absolute dogs compared to a 302/5.0. My current daily driver is a 95 Econoline with a 4.9 l and even after converting it to a side draft Delorto 2v carburetor it still gets 10 to 11 Mi per gallon and is a total dog, causing me to hand shift it to keep up with traffic
@@woodardkingsbury1648the Chevy 292 was way much more of a Workhorse than the Ford 300 and I have owned both
They did this because aftertreatment woes on the mid duty diesel trucks are causing too many problems. The 6.7 gasser is going into class 5 trucks only
You know, I love the idea of this. Especially the “overbuilt” aspect of this gasoline engine. However, I can’t help be skeptical wondering if Stellantis will do this. I have no inside information, but it sure seems to me it’s going to be one heavy, and expensive engine. I can understand the efficiencies in manufacturing, but I’m not sure it will be enough to prevent a large increase in MSRP.
As far as performance, it’s going to have to be a low-revving grunt monster. I can’t see this reciprocating mass revving much. Probably will be fine (probably great) in a big truck. I’m cautiously excited.
The expensive parts of the diesel Cummins are, the ultra high pressure fuel pump, the Ultra high pressure injectors, the $8,000.00-ish to replace exhaust, take this away and you get a much simpler, much lower cost, much lower maintenance engine. The problem with all the current gas turbo truck engines is super high cylinder pressures, heat etc from squeezing tons of horsepower out of half this engine size.
I hope you’re right. I’m rooting for this potential option. We’ll see.
Good idea that has merit. Add a7 speed manual and I will be first in line.
Large I6’s tend to have exactly the torque curve you’re talking about. Max torque well below 2500 rpms. The old Ford 300s acted just like that. A bigger, more modern HD I6 just makes sense. V8s are great, but an inline just makes more sense for a truck.
I like this gas engine with a turbo. The horsepower and torque numbers sound good and is prolly a lot more cost effective than a diesel. I like my diesel but this would be a good alternative
The Cummins gas engine might just be the ticket. Imagine everything you love about your current Cummins including the awesome fuel economy, now imagine the fuel is 50 cents cheaper and there’s no def. Win win win.
I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but here in southern Nevada diesel is finally about 50 cents less than regular unleaded. NOW the world is no longer upside down like its been for several years in this aspect. Now, cheaper fuel, better MPG, better reliability and longevity in a diesel, so I'll keep my 2006 pretty EGR system 24 Valve 5.9 Cummins. Never had an issue with this engine.
I’m sure it’s going to require premium fuel to meet octane requirements. Which is more than diesel in Texas at the moment.
@@dingo3190 Not if its DI. Direct Injection injects fuel at the time the fuel is needed, minimizes the pre-detonation issue. Almost diesel like.
Yeah but that mpg is gonna be down in 5s 😂
Diesel was always $0.50 cheaper then gasoline until the year 2000. Consequently, gasoline was $1.46 in 2000. Now in 2014 diesel prices went to being $0.50 cheaper then gasoline that year but, no one ever said anything or ask why. Like it never happened.
Personally I think they should stop taking things away from us like children and let us choose ex. 6.4 6.7 5.7 etc. why try and fix it/take it if it’s not broken! Grow up!!!
the more options the better in my opinion.
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My brother ran a 6 cylinder with a 4 speed manual and it was a great truck with a 9 ft bed and you could not kill that 300 ford in line six it was a bad ass with twin turbo it has to be a beast !!
I am a Chevy man and had a 300 six 77 ford 3/4 ton that had a trillion miles on it from service as highways truck, it never gave up, one of the best engines ever. I think any inline 6 is the best
I'm glad you put a turbo on it, because it is not impressive otherwise. Nowhere near the torque of a 302, whether it is fuel injected or carbureted
@@MrThewhip333definitely a very durable engine that's for sure, but as for horsepower Orr torque not so good
Two spark plugs per cylinder is a great ideal and I flew small planes and it’s amazing the difference between one spark plug per hole and two plugs per hole and it makes a big difference!!
Aircraft have two plugs for redundancy not for performance . Thats why the mags are selectable incase you drop a mag you can switch over to a secondary mag
Yeah definitely makes a difference. Doring primary training I was doing touch and go's and I eas thinking this Cherokee is a dog today. It wasn't a hot day and the barometric pressure was pretty good that day. I looked down and noticed one mag was off. Switched it back on and it was back to it's old self
@@apollorobb You are not a pilot, are you?
You're dealing with magnetos. We haven't seen those in passenger cars in 50 years. 😂
A new good coil on plug system is capable of 60000 volts, so it's already like running 2-3 magneto driven plugs.
Then you have combustion chamber shape, and piston squish. Both of which wildly change the spark required to reliably ignite the charge.
Basically, relating airplanes to cars is dumb, as airplanes are old tech and haven't had to keep up with EPA to make them efficient.
@@leftyeh6495 With 2 plugs you are also having the flame front start from two different locations. It's not all about higher voltage and a wide gap. If you had a engine indicator graph, the pressure-volume curve is quite a bit different
Cummins Diesel has a good reputation for making engines for the HD truck market.
Tuners are gonna have a field day with these.
A 6.7 turbo gas 8spd would be interesting. Class leader most likely.
Lol
It's not going to be turbo
@@bigmurph1447it is turbo charged look it up the info is all over the place
@bigmurph1447 yes it would be Turbo. As Cummins is marketing that 6.7 gas with a Turbo. Since it would be interchangeable with the head, to run on different fuel.
@bigmurph1447 Yes, it is single turbocharged. There's already published information on this engine, Google cummins B6.7 Octane engine and see for yourself. This engine looks very promising, having no aftertreatment, no EGR, just turbo GDI with a three-way engine mounted catalyst. I really hope Stellantist uses this engine
My bet is that the base engine in the 2500 becomes the hurricane (with the existing transmission) since it already has more torque at lower RPM then the 6.4, but it won’t be good for high work duty cycles so they offer the 6.7 gasser as an upgrade with the new HD transmission for a hefty price and significant extra weight but boosting towing numbers; possibly better payload too if they offer stiffer springs with this package to help achieve towing tongue weight
As powerful as they are, a 3.0L gas engine will never be in an HD truck.
I love this concept, I hope this engine is successful. If they had a very base model heavy duty truck with this engine, that would be my dream truck. No big screen, no farkles, basic radio,and vinyl seats. Even steal wheels would be great!
The initial concept of the 8.0 V10
Kubota does this with their engines, the gas versions are just as robust and reliable as the diesel engines. I think this could be the same for Cummins and be a huge hit.
There were big Hi CI Gas engines back in the day IH had some. GMC had some V6 engines. Cummins and Cat has had industrial NG engines for years!
GMC also made the v6s in a V12 version. Cummins offered the 5.9 in gas, diesel, natural gas and or propane
Maybe Ram might even update their ancient HD platform at the same time….wayyyyy overdue
I've always like inline gas motors starting from the 292
I had a 250 in a 67 Camaro, plenty of power and got 30mpg.
Will I be rushing out to trade in my all paid for bought new 2023 Ram 2500 HD 6.4 for this? No I’ll let the overzealous guinea pigs test it for me first on their dime ! 😂 My 6.4 does whatever I need it to do.
You bought a HD without a Diesel ?
Damn that sucks
@@billyzgoneape no it doesnt
@billyzgoneape it make sense for what he or she needed it for everyone doesn't need a Diesel
@billyzgoneape umm... you probably are completely unaware that diesel is quite a bit more expensive than gas. If you factor in price per mile, gas wins or equals out. Those 2500s have over 3k lbs of payload compared to 1,800 with a diesel. I have a megacab wit 4.10 rears. I live in an area thats flatter to my east and mountains to the west. I get 19mpg+ if i go east and 17.5 going west. If I am pulling horses, I get 12.2 everywhere. It doesn't seem to matter the direction. I don't drive like a jackass though. I have way over 1 million miles pulling oversized loads in a big truck. That 392 is plenty for 15k lbs. The raiting on my vin says 18,900. I don't think that's logical with any 2500. This 6.4 is fully forged. You probably didnt know that. Right down to the wrist pins. I have seen a guy with a fleet of 6, 6.4l 3500s that pull hot shots of 20k all the time. He's getting 350-450k .miles with zero issues. This cummins gasser is the same as the diesel with a different head. It probably will be better yet.
@@billyzgoneapeYa who wants more payload, no emissions or def, and to spend $10k less? A diesel makes less and less sense- these days it’s almost always going to cost more in the short and long term.
Once it’s established and with some track record, I’d get in line to replace my 6.7 HO 3500.
Much more reliable and easier to maintain than a 16 spark plug hemi period!
My 2021 Ram 3500 6.4 Hemi workes great for me.. my rv is only 8k loaded my truck will pull 14.5k lbs, that puts me in the sweet spot...👍🇺🇸🙏
Ewww V8
Any electronic issues.
Have yet to be impressed by a 6.4 hemi 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@Austin-jd4mceeewwwww electric vehicle loving liberal
Whata your mpg on that load?
The VW VR6 was designed as a diesel but was resleeved for gasoline. A 2.5 ltr one cylinder head turbo v6 good for 750hp daily driving.
That's a great idea! As you said, the strength of the bottom end, and the rest of it is perfect. It would probably require very little re-tuning. Another hole in the head, a sensor or 2 on the crank and re-profile the cam timing. Even with the turbo, it should bring reliability up and equal to the iron block LS. I have that in my GM Silverado and it's a great engine. No reason the 6.7 would not be a very high mile engine also. Even if they used the Aisin trans, like the diesel option. Thanks!! --gary
This kind of reminds me of the Ford tractors from the late 50s and early 60s - the diesel and the gas blocks for the 172 c.i. four-cylinder were the same, so nothing else had to change except that the air cleaner had to be moved to make room for the diesel's bigger battery.
Turning a diesel into a gasser has to be better than GMs disaster of gasser to diesel.
Maybe they could fix the suspension on the 3/4 ton while they are at it.
Fuel efficiency good towing characteristics, good midrange torque output, good parts availability, user serviceability. Longevity being high likely. Definitely a contender if offered in power wagon trim. Or just general work truck trim.
Imagine if Cummins did a Ford PowerBoost version of this engine. Possible 400+hp with 700lb-ft of torque plus the ability to add as an electrical generator. It would be a hell of a service truck.
Lack of emissions equipment alone might be the selling point, with that strong bottom end, seems like a win to me.
I understand when you say "no emissions" what you mean, but consider you will still be looking at catalytic converter(s), EGR, EVAP, etc. I fully understand the advantages you refer to not having an exhaust filter SCR, DEF etc and not having those are huge but there are still emission control devices involved.
GPF is coming..
100% but the carbon output of a gas engine is a fraction of a diesel making EGR gas much much less destructive.
With an aluminum block will make a huge difference for weight savings. JS
300 straight six was a hell of a motor
That would be a great idea. All 2500s and 3500s and up will have the same engine mounts and engine, making manufacturing easier and cheaper. It will be up to the owner to decide whether they want a gas or diesel version.
When you said how long Ram has partnered with Cummins, that appears to date back to 1989 when the first Dodge/ Cummins truck came out on the market. Had Dodge not done that and if they had not come up with some other diesel engine source or made their own and would have had to have been a reliable hit with the market, Dodge "Ram" sure wouldn't have the presence they have today. I know a lot of guys that bought a Ram simply because of the Cummins engine, not because they were thrilled with the truck itself ( at least years back anyway )
You're 100% correct. Without Cummins, Dodge / Ram would be a small fraction of what they are today, or may not even exist at all.
The 6.4 engines is a good engine. Great power
A lot of people like to compare the price of gas engine HD trucks vs diesel HD trucks. I see a lot of people compare things like MPG and fuel prices as well as maintenance and upfront costs. What I don't see a lot of is the resale factor. I could absolutely get away with a gas engine, but I drive a diesel instead, and it's simply because of longevity and resale. When you factor in how a diesel holds its value, they're almost always a better financial decision in the end.
Torquee turbo gas 6.7 in a HD paired to a 8spd ZF? Yes please. Those power numbers are very mild for a turbo gas engine, read reliable. Compared to 3.5EB making over 100hp/140ft-lbs per liter, vs this cummins at 50hp/100ft-lbs per liter...so hopefully it should live a long time doing HD stuff. I drive a 18 dmax but would love if there was a reliable turbo gas option from ram
*No* engine "loves" being lugged. That's how you end up breaking shit. Just sayin...
If you have strong enough rods and pistons, you can make great bottom end torque all day long.
Dwell time can certainly break stuff, but if the engine is designed as a package it's not a problem.
High rpm's are what kills any engine and any kind of fuel economy. Just look at the old john Deer 2 cylinder engine's those low rpm things have been around since almost the beginning of time and most still run,low rpm and high torque is we're it's at ,a decent engine shouldn't have to turn 8k rpm to make max hp and torque
Should be a game changer, anyone remember the 300 Ford straight 6
Who knows that Ram has in store but it could be.
I do believe partly that the 5l was a fail and the 6.7 issues all stem from epa standards. I had a 12.7l Detroit from 2000. I put on am oversized turbo and turned it up around 525hp. I ran the piss out of it for about a million miles before I sold it. Still didn't use oil. Had an N14 from 1995, same thing. 410hp. I had another n14, it was a wierd hp, 485. No issues. My dad's last motor was a C15 from 2004. He had 650k miles and then went in and took the egr out and slapped on a big turbo, then had it turnned up to over 700hp to the ground. He ran it to 1.8 million miles like that. It was using a gallon of oil every 12k miles at the end. He did an in frame and he's around 2.5 million right now. Cat made him put all the crap back on to get the factory warrenty in the rebuild. When you're blowing 30k to rebuild a motor, you want the 250k mile warranty. They need to just leave these makers alone and let them build what sells. My dad still has a 2003 ram with the 5.7l he bought new in aug of 2002. Not a thing wrong with the mechanical aspect at all. The body is rusting.
YES!!!! Gasoline simplicity and something the competitors don't have big gas engine turbo charged. I think these might sell better than the Diesels
It’s hard to imagine a 464 ft/lb gasser (L8T) being in last place but yet here we are. It’s a good time to be forced to “settle” for the gas option.
I don’t care what engine they put in it, I just want them to bring production back to the United States.
Turbos for diesels and superchargers for gas engines, that’s my preference.
Banks is going to have a field day with this...
I could totally see companies like fedex and ups using a Cummins gasser in their delivery trucks as opposed to the v8s and v10s they’re currently using
The root problem of the current turbo gasoline engines is the strength of the engine platform. Ie: main, rod bearings, heads are made as light and small as possible to maximize profit and payload.
CAT has long had a natural gas version of their motors. Valve recession is a significant problem with those engines, but otherwise pretty reliable.
Cummins needs to pay attention to head and valve seat cooling in particular to avoid this issue.
I’ll be watching!
7:05 It's obviously going to have an emission system. It's also going to have a gas DPF. Everything is going to need one.
Its too good to be true. It will get watered it down, they cant have anything lasting too long.
That would be pretty awesome to have low end torque like a diesel, but be able to rev like a gas engine! I think it would be a win fir both Cummins and Dodge!
Just from the numbers this will be a diesel like low RPM engine. High torque, low horsepower and long stroke dictates this will be a very low RPM engine. If you take a similar torque curve I would assume this isn't revving over 3200 RPM from the factory.
I'm sure you'll mention this in your 5 con's video, but unless Ram finally gives up their blind adherence to the 10k GVWR for the 2500's, switching to the gas Cummins could be the death nail for their gas HD truck line. One of the prime benefits of a current gas 2500 over a Diesel is the difference in curb weight thus higher payload.
If you've got a common block and a lot of similar componentry, yes you'll shave some weight by ditching the aftertreatment system, but that is gonna be one hefty beast. Far heavier than a gas HD buyer is going to be accustomed to.
Idk about ram but i bet Blue Bird is gonna slurp those fuel-agnostic engines up and ditch ford all together for their gas buses. Then all they would need is a transmission that doesnt die at 20k miles lol.
If they do this it will be the next “12 valve” in terms of reliability and cost of ownership. Cant beat it especially if the do an industrial generator/ hybrid. Generator for use as an exhaust type brake.
It will certainly be a pretty stout gas engine.
I think it would be a great idea., all I hear about with many new engines from all companies are timing chain and cam phaser issues. These high dollar vehicles with expensive repairs before you can even pay the vehicle off. Put the Cummins in with a 100K warranty and it should sell well.
I would buy one today
As for towing, the biggest drawback of the gas vs diesel, is the ability to use exhaust braking with the diesel engine. Gas engines have no such capability at present. Also, will this engine use low octane fuel? Most likely not since it will be turbo'd. And I guarantee it WILL have emission controls. ALL gas engines currently have emission controls, at least in the USA.
Also, fuel mileage comparisons need to be made.
I suppose this goes along with the Hurricane I6. For smog reasons it may have been more cost effective to have an all new I6 than add new items to the 6.4 hemi. I never heard of a GDI hemi V8, and I do not know what would be needed to make one. Until GM made the Gen V LS, I figured it took a DOHC 4V engine to have a GDI engine.
A low revving I6 makes sense for long life. The Ford 300/4.9 was an overbuilt engine with a low redline. It only got cancelled to meet smog. The 1996 F150 was the last one, and it had all kinds of extra smog stuff. It led to the basic 1997 F150 getting the 4.2 V6.
We need a 7.3 Ecoboost
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Ford specifically built the 7.3 to get away from the Ecoboost issues.
Hear me out if they make it run on 93 octane and use water methanol injection along side it could easily make more power than the diesel version
Yes but diesel fuel itself still is king because it’s available and you can get a lot of power of diesel fuel.
Very interesting lol
@@mauricemotors8207 you can use windshield wiper fluid in water methanol system
Diesel has more btus per gallon.
However, the highest horsepower engines for their size are making 4-5000hp, 4000+ ft lbs, and using the tiny BTU per gallon alcohol. 😂
They also need new rods every few thousand miles, because 8000+rpm and 5000hp beats the crap out of the aluminum rods. 😂
Torque is great but 325hp is pretty weak tbh. Having over 400hp just makes the truck drive better IMO. Thanks for the review
Ram and Cummings should do it!
The problem with that transmission, based on those specs, it's rated max torque is 1000. The High Output Cummins is rated at 1075. Maybe for a standard output Cummins that is under 1000 torque. Interesting to see what happens next.
New hd trucks are already like 90k i dont see anyone paying even more
The biggest issue I see with it is the weight. These are not famous for being light. Even without the emissions equipment, it will still be an 800+lb pig. I also don't forsee them being cheap either. Ram will more likely modify the displacement of the 6.4L for power, but they don't have the monetary advantage of Ford in also being the main Gas engine supplier for motorhomes and other blank chassis applications, as well as multiple medium duty contracts. I don't expect massive changes to their HD pickup lineup.
I think I will keep my 02 80k miles fully built...and my fully DELETED 27MPG 600HP 1,500 ft lb 18 CUMMINS....and diesel is .50 cents a gallon cheaper, almost always where I live. But great video and good options for future buyers
RAM is a REAL man’s truck
lol...they all do about the same things.
With few bolt on part changes, like oil pan, intake and exhaust, Ram could tilt the block and call a Ram slant 6. Just a little old school.
I’d buy one for sure. 6.7 inline six with turbo charging? That would be perfect for my needs. I have a diesel but it’s getting up there in miles I’d trade it in on this
Very interesting. Love my 6.7 3500 (2011 so no def😊). Amazing truck and motor. Could be a big winner for both RAM and C to have gas version. My negatives are: 1- Cost. C motors adds a big premium to HD trucks. No way the gas version can compete with Stellantis cost to build a 6.4 Hemi. 2- Untested bleeding edge. Risk to both Ram and C to go high production of first gasser. The could be devastating to both if this engine is a stinker. 3- Performance. High torque, yes, but will likely be quite slow by going with the diesel block and long stroke pistons. So UA-cam will have fun showing off how Ford and GM walks over the C Rams ( except for towing, which is what counts). 4- Ram HD production very limited to what Cummins production volume of gas power plants. C volume of 6.7 Diesel was much less than half of the total Ram HD trucks. This new gas power plant would mean all Ram HD must have a C engine. 5- Weight. The 6.7 power plant is about 1100lbs. 6.4 is less than half. This could be a real issue for those that need high payload more than high towing capacity.
Anyways, I still think good on Cummins for coming up with modern solutions.
Agree with everything you said sir! going to be talking about this Tomorrow actually - well maybe tonight if I can get everything done!
If the 6.7 Gas is going to make such strong torque numbers, especially at such a low RPM, it’s going to have to be boosted in some fashion. You can’t build that kind of cylinder pressure that low otherwise. Also, I don’t think the stroke or weight of the rotating assembly is what helps the engine make that kind of power so low down. The heftiness of the bottom end will definitely help with reliability though. If the 6.4 was designed to handle the forces as reliably, it could do the same thing with a smaller cam, smaller ports, a redesigned combustion chamber with DI, and a turbo.
Turbocharged gas engines blow head gaskets like crazy
Heaviest HD gas engine for sure
Modders: [adrenaline activated]
That Cummins would be cool but seeing the numbers the hurricane high output is putting out I see that more likely in the 2500s
Seems like the hurricane HO will most likely be the replacement for the 6.4 hemi in 2500/3500 Rams
I like the style of the ram’s I like the Cumming’s engine,even the gas motor is cool, my concern is the overall price of these trucks and trucks in general in the market.
stellantis seems like it’s circling the drain right now, Ram is laying off,
As much as I want a new truck these manufacturers have gotten extremely greedy and it’s just too much for a lot of people and that’s why I’ll be keeping my old truck running for as long as I can.
Who really thought 80 miles pulling a travel trailer to a gas station. Then, having to drop that trailer to use the supercharger, which took almost 2 hours to charge, was acceptable performance?
I would be interested in seeing it
Government ruins everything
Great info 👍👍
That engine tranny combo would be soooo much heavier than the GM and Ford V8 offerings that it wouldn't be competitive. The whole numbers game as in payload and towing from 3/4 ton pick-ups would kill the Ram with a cummins that has the same bottom end as the diesel version and very heavy tranny built to take 660 ft/lbs of torque. Even the old 4.0L jeep 6 was heavier than V8 engines of the day, and that was comparatively light duty. With the competition going to aluminum engine blocks and heads, body panels and accessories to gain an edge, I can't see Ram going the other way.
Both Chevy and Ford use cast iron blocks for their HD V8 gas blocks
The 4.0 wasnt, it was roughly 490-515 lbs. An SBC, 351w, and Amc 360 weigh more.
@@riogrande163 Your wrong
It is designed as of now for school bus applications. It is supposed to be released in 2027 but time will tell what manufactures decide to use it.
Definitely interested in that gas Cummins and what is in the future for Cummins projects.
I’ve always been a Ford guy, have a gasser F-250. Never really wanted a diesel, however; I’d definitely trade my truck for a gasser Cummins!
Tentatively I’m interested to trade in my 22’ Tundra. As long the reviews are solid and dealers don’t go greeting and do mark ups.
The one downside I see is that usually spec'n a truck going from gas to diesel is an additional cost of $6K-$10K. I think with these new gas Cummins the price for the gas/diesel may very well be the same and the price of the base truck price will just be higher. Granted the gas doesn't have a $8K exhaust system on the gas version I could be wrong.
With all that money they will be saving they can charge even more. Makes sense if you don't think about it
lol don't expect prices on trucks top drop, they'll 100% go up.
I would be very interested in this, I’m planning on my 6.7 Cummins I’d love to add this side by side.
Using some old technology but different kick off. Like the older Chevy diesels that are not Detroit design. The diesel engine was so weak that GM made a gas conversion kit. The gas conversion produces more power than the diesel counterpart. With Cummins doing a gas engine head design, this will be a high compression gas engine. If it wants to pass emissions, the high likely fuel going to be used is E-85 know full well what EPA is going to set. 91 Octane will be minimum. It'd be more interesting how they are going to get to set for 87 Octane. This is going to be interesting.