@@Tempo_Gigantewhat’s worth covering about silo? the show runners mastered the art of cliff hanging their cliff hangers with extra cliff hangers. Now second season splits it between 2 locations, which means their first cliff hanger is a 2 week hang. Couple that with lazy flash back writing and you got 1 supremely bird fed cliff hung shit show.
The guy's head could be shaking because if he had been exposed to spice In high AmountsHe could be going through withdrawals, And in the Dune universe we'd never actually seen anyone go through withdrawals from spice, Were led to believe that not having spice in your system once you're addicted causes death but maybe that wasn't true
Just a reminder that the Bene Gesserit were breeding humans to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, which would be a being with the full potential to access both male and female ancestral memories, unlike the Bene Gesserit women who primarily access their female lineage memories. PAUL was the darkness where they could NOT see...
@michaeldeats328 I am sorry that it's not part of some boyish comic. Some of us love that show. They would cover Anoka or Aria Stark, but not Juliete no matter how good the show is.
@hfztt the thinking machine God that has guided humanity. Humans lost the war but was used as cattle and convinced they are free. There basically biological robots bred by the thinking machines.
My theory is the assassinations were due to both victims being regular spice users. My theory is Desmond has somehow been granted the power to manipulate spice & it was then simple for him (even across time & space) to burn their spice-infused bodies from the inside out. I think there’s clearcut evidence Kasha had been taking spice. Basically, she’s implausibly young! We first see Kasha as one of the young sisters allied to Valya's & Tula's faction. Accordingly, she belongs to their generation. But when we jump forward 30 years, the grown-up Kashs clearly looks like she’s from a younger generation than Valya & Tula. If you don’t buy this, consider the actors’ ages: Emily Watson (Valya) = age 57 ; Olivia Williams (Tula) = age 56 ; Jihae Kim (Kasha) = age 35. There’s no way a prestige production like this would make such a basic casting error! It is well established in the Dune universe that regular spice use improves health and can radically extend life expectancy. There’s also several more circumstantial arguments supporting Kasha taking spice: * Kasha is by far the most important of all the Truthsayers - both in her role as adviser to the Emperor & in persuading the sole heir to join the sisterhood. Strategically, it makes sense for Kasha to be given first call (ahead of even Valya) to whatever spice the sisterhood held to improve her powers & so make her even more indispensable to House Corrino. * We saw an early (maybe the first) use of the Voice by a proto-Bene Gesserit. In the later Dune sagas, many Bene Gesserit are regular spice users. It would make sense for us to be also shown one of the first examples of a proto-Bene Gesserit taking spice. * The episode slyly suggests the sisterhood were linked to the spice thefts on Arrakis. * Kasha’s prescient dream is consistent with someone regularly taking spice. I admit the case for Pruitt taking spice is much weaker - but isn't non-existant. For a start, we can assume it would be his ruthless, risk-taking father illicitly giving Pruitt spice. Pruitt looks to be the sole heir to House Richese and, as noted above, regular spice use improves health. House Richese appear to be the wealthiest of all the houses & procuring a regular supply of spice would be nothing to them in the context of potentially protecting their heir. We could also view Pruitt illegal AI robot toy - undoubtedly given to him by his father - as evidence of his father’s risky (and wildly inappropriate) attitude of giving his son access to anything that might tactically augment his upbringing. Lastly, when Desmond fatefully meets Pruitt alone in a corridor, Pruitt explains he is there because he has had a bad dream. This could well be inferred he had - in parallel with Kasha - a spice-induced prescient dream. However, as an untrained young child, he was much less well equipped than Kasha to appreciate the significance of the dream.
Herbert wasn't alone/visionary for his thinking machines wariness back in the sixties,.. others right back at the beginning of machine computing were well aware of the implications. Alan Turing was terrified of / resigned to the bleak future of humanity with thinking machines.
@@targard.quantumfrack6854 True, scifi writers have always been very forward thunking (it's their main job!). However, it's obviously speculative and very hit or miss. I guess I was thinking more of the actual scientific founders of the field,..from the very inception of the field. Asimov was an interesting hybrid (like Clarke), but as a writer he corrupted his thoughts for narrative gain. The laws or robitics are obvioulsly full of holes, and deliberately so to create interesting stories. (tho I expect he was more scientificly explicit in his vast writings,.. I just dont know them well eough)
Sadly... For money reasons... If you have a big budget, you better have a mind blowing show on your hands... You want to get away with an "ok show" then you better make it on an "ok budget" 🤷🏽♂
Also, the Golden Lion Throne is on Salusa Soncondus. But as mentioned in the books, it was nuked by a rogue house. Hence why in DUNE the home world of the Corrinos is Kaitain and why Salusa Secondus is a barren wasteland. It was nuked long ago
You talked about eyes most of the video but missed the most important moment, when Kasha used her truth ability on hart the camera went to his eye and made a connection to her. That sand worm encounter gave him special abilities which is what he told Pruwet just before he killed him
I took it as simply she couldn’t penetrate his mind and thoughts. Meaning he is a being with more capable magic or of equal power, or he is indeed not a human at all. And possibly a robot posing as one.
@@smittyjjensin558 me too. But werent face dancers not introduced until thousands years later? Or am I incorrect in that? It’s been awhile since I read the books lol.
@@robtothejuice Yes, in the original novels face dancers were a more recent invention by the Bene Tleilax. But in the Brian books, it contradicts the original, as face dancers are T-1000s made by the machines to terminator people lol So I guess the show could use that. Or simply we could discover the Tleilaxu had earlier prototypes of face dancers than history remembers. I still want to know how he pulled off his "magic" trick! It has to be some hidden tech
@@askani21 ahhhh I gotcha. Thank you for clarifying that! I remember there was some controversy surrounding the facts of the subject matter, so I completely forgot lol. So do I! There’s a list of theories you can surmise imo but nothing to solidify any just yet. For instance, there’s a lot of plausible theories for how the child was burned, but for kasha to be burned simultaneously, I think throws them out the window of reasonable logic. Such as poisoning, an injection while controlling with the reptile machine, etc etc. It’s a very interesting path to go down imo.
Paul didn't break the convention when he used atomics because he didn't use it on people. He used atomics to destroy the shield wall, a natural rock formation that protected the city of Arrakeen.
Brilliant breakdown! So many details and clips makes it easy to understand. Your knowledge is extremely extensive and I’m very appreciative. Looking forward to the next one! Cheers
Let’s not forget the thinking machines are still the ultimate bad guy at the end of the tunnel, it’s what Paul tries to avoid with his golden path, it’s what the god emperor also tries to avoid once he takes over the breeding program in book 3, so to see those machines in action and potentially, see a thinking machine being used by a house is great,
The future is coming and there is not stopping to it. From the looks of itTravis Fimmel's character wants to destroy the sisterhood as he realizes they are a threat.
Well in the books, Paul used the resoning that he didn't use the Atomics on people, he used them on a natural structure in order to get to the Emperor.
I kinda fw your idea. My interpretation of the glowing eyes at the end or her visions (there were mechanical sounds playing when they appeared), is they might be Omnius....
Hya Paul, Excellent breakdown, and so fast as always! Loved the details and the background you provide, as for the take on this premiere episode, I kinda did not mind that it has yet to have blewn the roof off. For me I took the series about the newly formed bene geserit story to be mysterious , and being 10k years apart from the DUNE movies / book events not much to tie into that story, except for the visions that we keep guessing are for AI or Paul. I am hyped and looking forward to the future episodes, and hoping they will unravel the story at a steady pace, and surprise us at some turns, that would be a joy to see. The lore , the costumes, the world building, the desing, the visuals all look stunning, the cast seems spot on for the main characters, so I am full of optimism! Just like to your breakdowns, always deep, always gives additional info, background makes the viewing / reviewing experience better! So keep em coming! :)
It wouldn't surprise me if Desmond was a ghola. We know ghola's play a large part in Dune: Messiah, and with that movie on the horizon, they may be using the show as a "soft launch" of the idea to the audience.
I think Desmond is a ghola. The original Desmond was actually eaten by the worm and there will probably be a “reveal” scene where we do see the rest of the recording of his death and find out that he didn’t actually rise from the sand like he said he did. Desmond also said he felt “reborn” and this show would be a great introduction to the idea of gholas in general.
8:15 mentats do not use spice for their abilities, that is not anywhere i nthe books, they're a) gifted people with natural predispositions b) use sapho berry juice to enhance their ability
@@furak no no, you're right loll, sapho juice isn't spice in the novels! I always found funny the stains it left on lips, though. Mentats somehow can't use straws loll
Nope they do... at least the Baron Hakonnen's Mentat (forgotten his name) used it a lot (can't remember if its illegal) which is how he foresaw that the Harkonnens would be forced to relinquish CHOAN on Arrakis to the Atriedes and was able to warn his master. That was why when the Emperor switched their duties from Arrakis, they were not disturbed or bothered but were prepared to strike back.
I like it so far. The pacing is actually better than I expected as I was worried it would get bogged down in long shots of the planets,etc. And they are beautiful. But better in a 3hr movie than a 50min series. Still when i first heard they were doing a prequel series I wanted it to go further back to get into the machine wars. Been 20yrs since I was into the books,but I think for me & for everyone I know 'Dune Messiah' is the favorite.
I think the worm scene is a reference to leto II taking controll of the bene gesserit breeding program, and tiran-arafel is pretty on the nose for the god emperor, this episode really got me excited :))))
@@pandatrix9663girl what... This takes place like 10k years after our current day... It'd be likely that the social construct of race (and even ethnicity) would be evened out and meaningless so far in the future. It would be genuinely weird if everyone was white.. unless they're gonna add some past extermination event to explain.
The Sorceresses of Rossak could cook people alive (telekinetically), though they were focused on thinking machines during the Jihad. Also, Valya and Tula are aware of their Harkonnen lineage and consistently hunted Vorian Atreides for retribution in the books. In the book that took place before the show ("Navigators of Dune") they were convinced they finally killed him... Heavy Spoilers needs to research the lore better.
A lot of youtubers that talk about Dune haven't read enough of the books. I think I heard somewhere in this video that the Harkonnens ran during the Butlerian Jihad?? No the Harkonnens(Tercero Xavier Harkonnen) were the heroes of the Jihad. Vorian Atreides, the son of Titan Agamemnon was on the side of the machines, and that is why the feud between the houses started. Harkonnens were the good guys.
@@Junglist619000 To be fair, Vorian Atreides switched sides and became a hero for mankind. Xavier Harkonnen sacrificed his reputation as a war hero by assassinating Iblis Ginjo, who switched sides like Vorian Atreides but became an corrupt politician. This was a while before the conflict ended, however. What really tanked the Harkonnen's reputation is when Xavier's grandson, Abulurd Harkonnen, defied Vorian Atreides at The Battle of Corrin. The situation was complex since the machines had hostages. That's why Abulurd was reluctant to attack. As a result he was branded a coward and a traitor and exiled.
I'm guessing she cooked too because they were bonded. Desmond cooked them from the inside out. Not sure how yet, though. Probably has something to do with surviving the sandworm. That's probably also how they became seen gods (the sandworms) on Arakkis.
I was thinking the same thing with the kid when I first watched it. My guess is that killing the kid and the sister was good old revenge from the sisters at the start, for revenge of killing of Dorteata at the start of the show. They probably thought killing the kid and the sister would destroy everything but really started it all of it. I think the solider was just there wrong place and time and got some more ptsd.
Great video I liked your takes especially the parts about what you didn’t like. You said something so profound to me the music is a window into what the characters are feeling without saying anything
Travis Fimmel Character Desmond Hart from viewing the trailer. Seem very similar to Caleb in the brilliant Raised by Wolves series, which unfortunately was cancelled after two seasons 😭
It’s mainly due to the blind prophet able to see the future and picked as the chosen one as part of an algorithm. There are a lot of similarities though.
I think one of the MAIN reasons I am watching this Series is because YOU are providing the Breakdowns (making it even more informative, understandable, and entertaining!
Travis Fimmel is one of my favorite actors. He was incredible on the History Channel's drama series "Vikings." He took his character, "Ragnar Lothbrok," and hit the ground running with it. I mean, to go from a pretty boy look, modeling for Calvin Klein to this bad a** warrior & king in Vikings, he literally flipped the script to a whole different level. Then his next big drama series on HBO's "Raised By Wolves" had me thinking what he would do next? And he didn't disappoint ... Travis Fimmel stars in "DUNE: Prophecy" as Desmond Hart, and after seeing the 1st episode, it most definitely has me wanting more, and the 2nd episode can't get here fast enough!
Brian Hebert’s work is exemplary. He does an excellent job of offering more content and giving more detail to the complex world of his father. I didn’t know some readers questioned its canon; some people can’t be pleased.
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Desmond Hart. OG Fremen..... cyborg....tlelaxu....face changer..... ? WHo knows. But he can activate poison (maybe a sonic cellular destabilizer) when he touches his temple.... who can do that? ALso.... bene gesserit in the future are trained to resist poison.... we might be learning why. Is it really poision? Lots of mystery is great.
I just realized, Desmond telling the emperor that the spice was stolen, the sister confirming it, and then showing him that it was actually destoryed might call into question the Sisters ability to see truths
Oooo interesting! There has to be some significance to the pomegranate being maggot infested. It would imply that ynez or her womb are "rotten" in some way. whether this be because ynez herself will become a problem or her actions will ultimately betray her goals (seemingly to control the universe with the BG). I'm guessing it has something to do with her possibly becoming pregnant with an atreides instead of pruwet, thus invalidating vallyas "confirmation" that pruwet will stabilize corrino.
Awesome breakdown, as per usual! My Theory: Hart (Hayt? Coincidence?) is from the Bene Tleilax. Could be a ghola, but also, would be kind of cool if he turned out to be a Face Dancer.
I'm not very smart i watched both Dunes and don't really know wtf was going on lol. I could tell the acting was great and it looked awesome i just couldn't follow exactly what was happening
You'll be a bit confused in regards to the spice which is mined on a planet called Arrakis. Its basically future oil and is used to fuel space flight and in various foods and drugs. Apart from that, you're good to go 👍
Enjoyed this much more on second viewing. I think I'd foolishly gone into it hoping for hour long episodes of a Denis Villeneuve film, which was obviously never going to happen. Those films have arguably the best director, director of photography, composer, VFX artists, production designers, sound department etc. working in cinema today. As well as, of course, a healthy serving of some of the most charismatic and good looking Hollywood stars of recent years, not to mention they're shot in IMAX format for BIG screens. Prophecy is a TV show with a fraction of the time and budget and while HBO have a really solid track record of producing some of the greatest shows of all time, they were never going to be able to match the films in terms of spectacle. Gave my head a shake before watching a second time and got a lot more out of it. Scenes with the younger characters definitely do feel like Children of Dune or Stargate Atlantis or something though... But I think I can get past that. Looking forward to Mark Addy popping up. I'm just happy to have a weekly HBO show to watch because my life is very empty.
This is not going to be true to the Dune Lore. There were no Fremen on Arrakis 10,000years before Paul Atreides! There was no Spice either, that came later when they found the planet and the Spice which was used before the Bene Gesserit started using it. I do wish they’d stick to the lore much more closely.
I have never seen Paul’s wife, but if she looks like her, it must be all that UA-cam money that attracted her 😂😂😂 joking Paul I know he’s on about the film before anyone kicks off
I have never seen Paul’s wife, but if she looks like her, it must be all that UA-cam money that attracted her 😂😂😂 joking Paul I know he’s on about the film before anyone kicks off
As a massive fan of FH's Dune Universe, I am very optimistic. I was afraid this would be a take on BJ & KJA's sisterhood book, but I was positively surprised. There is even a hint at God Emperor. I really hope they keep up this quality. Haven't seen a good series for years.
I suspected Keiran as Tula's son as oppose to Desmond .. Travis Fimmel (Desmond) said that this was his favorite episode, he was captivating as always...
Perhaps the poison was in the knife. Desmond stabbed the lizard and returned in a way that would prevent him from touching it? This first episode was 7.5/10
I believe the poison on the blade he had was transferred to the little AI lizard and is what poisoned and burnt the kid. I can't explain how the Reverend mother was affected though. Unless she touched it too?
It’s been a while since I’ve read the books but from what I remember, spice doesn’t make you better at maths. The mentats take Sappho Juice for that. And what allows the Space Guild the ability to navigate is not that the spice makes them better at calculating the paths but that they can see the future and so choose the safe path by seeing which one doesn’t collide with anything.
@@robtothejuice if it's not written by Frank Herbert IT IS NOT CANON. Ps Brian Herbert is a dogshit writer cosplaying at Duneverse and cashing in on his father's legacy.
@@The_Reality_Filter I wouldn’t say that at all. Does he compare to his fathers legacy? Absolutely not. But that’s also one of the greatest revolutionary writers in the past century imo. Hard to measure against for anybody. But the house books aren’t bad at all. I still think some of the work is quality, just not on the level of his predecessor and that’s completely ok lol.
Love your content. But I do disagree that the Bene Jesuit plans didn't go the way they wanted. They may not have worked out as they anticipated, but their plan kept them in power until the very end. So their plans absolutely worked and help them maintain a power base for 40,000 years
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If you look really close at Valya's eye during the vision she sees in the embers, the enbers turn into what I think looks like ships. Possibly a thinking machine fleet due to the overwhelming numbers.
I read "The Battle of Corrin" book. I always thought the charge of cowardice was incorrect. It took much courage to make the decision Abulard Harkonnen made. He should have been charged with gross incompetence, or tactical stupidity. Also the Harkonnens are evil, because while Vorian Atriedes tried to end the fued on multiple occasion, the Harkonnens kept on with it. But that was in the books. We'll see what happens on this show.
The club scene kinda killed it for me even being a past techno & house dj myself I seriously doubt this world or universe would have 4/4 drum patterns and synth based sequenced techno tracks. This was really a bad choice introducing that into a scene 🤦🏽♂️
Paul has done his homework on Dune. I love that! Other channels are speculating that Ragnar might be a ghola or a face dancer and talking about the water of life when the sisterhood clearly hasn't taken that step yet -FFS they're still early into prana bindu training. I hope HBO doesn't take it off the rails. Kasha's death has me concerned that they will.
I try to give a new show at least 3 episodes, maybe 4 if I’m on the fence. I had high hopes for Prophecy, but I didn’t find myself immediately sucked in. I know I’ll finish the series regardless bc since I’m a dune fan. I came straight to YT after watching, hoping you had a video up 😂. Long way of saying thank you!
As a casual dune fan I actually didn’t mind the lore and character building in only episode. I thought it was generally easy to understand. Also having recently watched the newer movies I think I see the path they are going g no whether or not it it s book accurate that’s up to u guys for debate . But I always treat it as an adaptation ..which it is .
Let us know your thoughts on the episode below
No Silo, seriously??!
@@Tempo_Gigantewhat’s worth covering about silo? the show runners mastered the art of cliff hanging their cliff hangers with extra cliff hangers. Now second season splits it between 2 locations, which means their first cliff hanger is a 2 week hang. Couple that with lazy flash back writing and you got 1 supremely bird fed cliff hung shit show.
The guy's head could be shaking because if he had been exposed to spice In high AmountsHe could be going through withdrawals, And in the Dune universe we'd never actually seen anyone go through withdrawals from spice, Were led to believe that not having spice in your system once you're addicted causes death but maybe that wasn't true
Just a reminder that the Bene Gesserit were breeding humans to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, which would be a being with the full potential to access both male and female ancestral memories, unlike the Bene Gesserit women who primarily access their female lineage memories. PAUL was the darkness where they could NOT see...
@michaeldeats328 I am sorry that it's not part of some boyish comic. Some of us love that show. They would cover Anoka or Aria Stark, but not Juliete no matter how good the show is.
Travis Fimmel will forever be Ragnar Lothbrok.
Talk about a one trick pony, he really does play the same character in every single thing he's in.
It’s like he never got OUT of character after Vikings 😅
@@Arlechinu he was perfectly cast as that part and perfectly useless in everything else
I laughed out loud when he even started talking about 'gods' 😂😂
No longer 😋
Travis Fimmel walked straight off the set of raised by wolves onto the set of Dune😂😂
the same way the emperor walked off from the penguin as carmine
@marvinselbut5108 Travis literally damn near in same outfits as raised by wolves lol
@@dwightwright6334 that's what you get given its the same franchise lmao
@marvinselbut5108 lol facts
😂 I was thinking the same thing!
I think the eyes are The Worm God looking back from the future.
That would be the better choice from the writers, at least.
@hfztt the thinking machine God that has guided humanity.
Humans lost the war but was used as cattle and convinced they are free. There basically biological robots bred by the thinking machines.
It's Omnius. The thinking machine god.
@@Aaron-hb4wu Might be, but I hope not. The less Brian stuff the better...
@@hfzttthat’s from frank herberts Dune books…
I’m pretty sure the mother superior was seeing Leto II’s eyes. She specifically said the tyrant, and there was only one person known as the tyrant
That would be soooooooooooooo Awesome ! Leto II is probably my favorite character !
@ same. Him, Scytale, Odrade and Tegg just to name a few lol
It's thinking machine/ gods. There was a robot sound accompanying them.
@ true, only time will tell. But there was only one god. His name was Leto II. The Tyrant. The Worm.
MAYBE... however, only POSSIBLE futures can be seen at any given time in the present...
“We just folded space from Ix…” there will be thinking machines in this show. Because with humanity it’s always the hard way.
My theory is the assassinations were due to both victims being regular spice users. My theory is Desmond has somehow been granted the power to manipulate spice & it was then simple for him (even across time & space) to burn their spice-infused bodies from the inside out.
I think there’s clearcut evidence Kasha had been taking spice. Basically, she’s implausibly young! We first see Kasha as one of the young sisters allied to Valya's & Tula's faction. Accordingly, she belongs to their generation. But when we jump forward 30 years, the grown-up Kashs clearly looks like she’s from a younger generation than Valya & Tula. If you don’t buy this, consider the actors’ ages: Emily Watson (Valya) = age 57 ; Olivia Williams (Tula) = age 56 ; Jihae Kim (Kasha) = age 35. There’s no way a prestige production like this would make such a basic casting error! It is well established in the Dune universe that regular spice use improves health and can radically extend life expectancy.
There’s also several more circumstantial arguments supporting Kasha taking spice:
* Kasha is by far the most important of all the Truthsayers - both in her role as adviser to the Emperor & in persuading the sole heir to join the sisterhood. Strategically, it makes sense for Kasha to be given first call (ahead of even Valya) to whatever spice the sisterhood held to improve her powers & so make her even more indispensable to House Corrino.
* We saw an early (maybe the first) use of the Voice by a proto-Bene Gesserit. In the later Dune sagas, many Bene Gesserit are regular spice users. It would make sense for us to be also shown one of the first examples of a proto-Bene Gesserit taking spice.
* The episode slyly suggests the sisterhood were linked to the spice thefts on Arrakis.
* Kasha’s prescient dream is consistent with someone regularly taking spice.
I admit the case for Pruitt taking spice is much weaker - but isn't non-existant. For a start, we can assume it would be his ruthless, risk-taking father illicitly giving Pruitt spice. Pruitt looks to be the sole heir to House Richese and, as noted above, regular spice use improves health. House Richese appear to be the wealthiest of all the houses & procuring a regular supply of spice would be nothing to them in the context of potentially protecting their heir.
We could also view Pruitt illegal AI robot toy - undoubtedly given to him by his father - as evidence of his father’s risky (and wildly inappropriate) attitude of giving his son access to anything that might tactically augment his upbringing.
Lastly, when Desmond fatefully meets Pruitt alone in a corridor, Pruitt explains he is there because he has had a bad dream. This could well be inferred he had - in parallel with Kasha - a spice-induced prescient dream. However, as an untrained young child, he was much less well equipped than Kasha to appreciate the significance of the dream.
Whoa
I think Desmond was telling the “truth”, he is the ally of the emperor that stole the spice
Honestly the best and only channel for (anything) DUNE content. The amount of knowledge you know of the Dune-verse is insane !! Thank you Paul !
Check out Quinn's Ideas, he is a true Dune scholar and massive sci fi fan.
Thank you and yeah definitely check out Quinn’s ideas. Absolutely insane amount of knowledge on there.
Thank you and yeah definitely check out Quinn’s ideas. Absolutely insane amount of knowledge on there.
@@eloquentsarcasm thank you
@@heavyspoilers thank you
Herbert wasn't alone/visionary for his thinking machines wariness back in the sixties,.. others right back at the beginning of machine computing were well aware of the implications. Alan Turing was terrified of / resigned to the bleak future of humanity with thinking machines.
Asimov is an obvious exemple
@@targard.quantumfrack6854 True, scifi writers have always been very forward thunking (it's their main job!). However, it's obviously speculative and very hit or miss. I guess I was thinking more of the actual scientific founders of the field,..from the very inception of the field.
Asimov was an interesting hybrid (like Clarke), but as a writer he corrupted his thoughts for narrative gain. The laws or robitics are obvioulsly full of holes, and deliberately so to create interesting stories. (tho I expect he was more scientificly explicit in his vast writings,.. I just dont know them well eough)
Samuel Butler should obviously be mentioned
Source???
It's good to know that 10,000 years from now club music will be exactly the same.
Great first episode. Looking forward to seeing where this goes
You know, sometimes it fine if a show is just okay. Not everything has to be mind blowing.
If my mind isn't blown, I have other stuff to do! 😆
Agree! I’m just excited to get some Dune content going beyond the early Paul Atreides storyline!
First episode….
Sadly... For money reasons... If you have a big budget, you better have a mind blowing show on your hands... You want to get away with an "ok show" then you better make it on an "ok budget" 🤷🏽♂
Okay, but Dune 1 and 2 are masterpieces. This being objectively mid so far is undeniably disappointing
Also, the Golden Lion Throne is on Salusa Soncondus. But as mentioned in the books, it was nuked by a rogue house. Hence why in DUNE the home world of the Corrinos is Kaitain and why Salusa Secondus is a barren wasteland. It was nuked long ago
"Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!"
This is what the Mother sees before she passes
Wow. Good call
Paul has drank deeply of the Water of Life, and can see THEORY TIME
Well done
LOL!!! WOW !!!! LOVE IT!!!! YES YES YES !!!!
@@SPIKESPIEGEL1969 long running channel joke
A few lines of spice gets his creativity flowing....
I feel like desmond is an ai machine disguised as a human
Maybe bene theliax project
Face dancer
I go with gholas :D
Erasmus
It does feel that way
You talked about eyes most of the video but missed the most important moment, when Kasha used her truth ability on hart the camera went to his eye and made a connection to her. That sand worm encounter gave him special abilities which is what he told Pruwet just before he killed him
I took it as simply she couldn’t penetrate his mind and thoughts. Meaning he is a being with more capable magic or of equal power, or he is indeed not a human at all. And possibly a robot posing as one.
@@robtothejuicei feel like an android (proto face dancer) would be an interesting plot choice.
@@smittyjjensin558 me too. But werent face dancers not introduced until thousands years later? Or am I incorrect in that? It’s been awhile since I read the books lol.
@@robtothejuice Yes, in the original novels face dancers were a more recent invention by the Bene Tleilax. But in the Brian books, it contradicts the original, as face dancers are T-1000s made by the machines to terminator people lol
So I guess the show could use that. Or simply we could discover the Tleilaxu had earlier prototypes of face dancers than history remembers.
I still want to know how he pulled off his "magic" trick! It has to be some hidden tech
@@askani21 ahhhh I gotcha. Thank you for clarifying that! I remember there was some controversy surrounding the facts of the subject matter, so I completely forgot lol. So do I! There’s a list of theories you can surmise imo but nothing to solidify any just yet. For instance, there’s a lot of plausible theories for how the child was burned, but for kasha to be burned simultaneously, I think throws them out the window of reasonable logic. Such as poisoning, an injection while controlling with the reptile machine, etc etc. It’s a very interesting path to go down imo.
Paul didn't break the convention when he used atomics because he didn't use it on people. He used atomics to destroy the shield wall, a natural rock formation that protected the city of Arrakeen.
Brilliant breakdown! So many details and clips makes it easy to understand. Your knowledge is extremely extensive and I’m very appreciative. Looking forward to the next one! Cheers
Love that it has Space Ragnar Lothbrook
Let’s not forget the thinking machines are still the ultimate bad guy at the end of the tunnel, it’s what Paul tries to avoid with his golden path, it’s what the god emperor also tries to avoid once he takes over the breeding program in book 3, so to see those machines in action and potentially, see a thinking machine being used by a house is great,
The future is coming and there is not stopping to it. From the looks of itTravis Fimmel's character wants to destroy the sisterhood as he realizes they are a threat.
This channel and quinns ideas are top notch when it comes to dune...the dream bit was hilarious because its true 👍👍
Well in the books, Paul used the resoning that he didn't use the Atomics on people, he used them on a natural structure in order to get to the Emperor.
The guy is a humanoid AI. That is why the sister cannot read him, he cooks people by microway wave,
Woah!!! I like that theory!!
Or the Ixians gave him technology without his knowledge, and he's interpreting it as divine power?
Or he's a face dancer.
@Dothreban lol
I kinda fw your idea. My interpretation of the glowing eyes at the end or her visions (there were mechanical sounds playing when they appeared), is they might be Omnius....
Hya Paul, Excellent breakdown, and so fast as always!
Loved the details and the background you provide, as for the take on this premiere episode, I kinda did not mind that it has yet to have blewn the roof off.
For me I took the series about the newly formed bene geserit story to be mysterious , and being 10k years apart from the DUNE movies / book events not much to tie into that story, except for the visions that we keep guessing are for AI or Paul.
I am hyped and looking forward to the future episodes, and hoping they will unravel the story at a steady pace, and surprise us at some turns, that would be a joy to see.
The lore , the costumes, the world building, the desing, the visuals all look stunning, the cast seems spot on for the main characters, so I am full of optimism!
Just like to your breakdowns, always deep, always gives additional info, background makes the viewing / reviewing experience better!
So keep em coming! :)
It wouldn't surprise me if Desmond was a ghola. We know ghola's play a large part in Dune: Messiah, and with that movie on the horizon, they may be using the show as a "soft launch" of the idea to the audience.
this is most likely correct especially if the bene gesserit is his enemy
I think Desmond is a ghola. The original Desmond was actually eaten by the worm and there will probably be a “reveal” scene where we do see the rest of the recording of his death and find out that he didn’t actually rise from the sand like he said he did. Desmond also said he felt “reborn” and this show would be a great introduction to the idea of gholas in general.
I'm thinking he is a face dancer...
Using the show to introduce ghoalas, then have Jason Momoa return as Duncan for dune 3 👏
@@XxIkeWittxXthere were no face dancers or Bene Tlielax 10,000 years before Dune! Read the books!
That’s not how Gholas were made and certainly not 10,000 years before Dune! Read the books.
My only question is, I thought Gholas had to be made from part of the corpse….but the worm eats him….
8:15 mentats do not use spice for their abilities, that is not anywhere i nthe books, they're a) gifted people with natural predispositions b) use sapho berry juice to enhance their ability
If I remember correctly, the old Lynch movie said sapho juice was made from spice. It was wrong, but it might be where this idea comes from.
@@askani21 maybe, doesnt change the fact it's wrong though, does it, but hey, made me comment
@@furak no no, you're right loll, sapho juice isn't spice in the novels!
I always found funny the stains it left on lips, though. Mentats somehow can't use straws loll
Nope they do... at least the Baron Hakonnen's Mentat (forgotten his name) used it a lot (can't remember if its illegal) which is how he foresaw that the Harkonnens would be forced to relinquish CHOAN on Arrakis to the Atriedes and was able to warn his master. That was why when the Emperor switched their duties from Arrakis, they were not disturbed or bothered but were prepared to strike back.
@@kirstinemmanuel-sule4175 nope, Piter de Vries (i assume you mean him) was a heavy sapho juice user, which definitely is not spice
I like it so far. The pacing is actually better than I expected as I was worried it would get bogged down in long shots of the planets,etc. And they are beautiful. But better in a 3hr movie than a 50min series. Still when i first heard they were doing a prequel series I wanted it to go further back to get into the machine wars. Been 20yrs since I was into the books,but I think for me & for everyone I know 'Dune Messiah' is the favorite.
I think the worm scene is a reference to leto II taking controll of the bene gesserit breeding program, and tiran-arafel is pretty on the nose for the god emperor, this episode really got me excited :))))
Well....at least none of the Bene Gesserit droned on about, "The Power of One, the Power of Two, The Power of Many"...so there's that.
well they did go out of the way to recruit at least one specimen of each human ethnicity
@@pandatrix9663 Yeah, fortunately they can do that with the Bene Gesserit and still make sense
This is the best comment right here lmao 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
@@pandatrix9663 You would think that thousands of worlds in a vast universe would have various ethnicities huh
@@pandatrix9663girl what... This takes place like 10k years after our current day... It'd be likely that the social construct of race (and even ethnicity) would be evened out and meaningless so far in the future.
It would be genuinely weird if everyone was white.. unless they're gonna add some past extermination event to explain.
I disagree with you on complaining about the slow parts. We need to see the scheming and planning & build up.
The Sorceresses of Rossak could cook people alive (telekinetically), though they were focused on thinking machines during the Jihad. Also, Valya and Tula are aware of their Harkonnen lineage and consistently hunted Vorian Atreides for retribution in the books. In the book that took place before the show ("Navigators of Dune") they were convinced they finally killed him... Heavy Spoilers needs to research the lore better.
Thank you. Yeah that makes more sense.
@heavyspoilers No problem. Also, check out the story of Tula Harkonnen and Orry Atreides. It's crazy.
A lot of youtubers that talk about Dune haven't read enough of the books. I think I heard somewhere in this video that the Harkonnens ran during the Butlerian Jihad?? No the Harkonnens(Tercero Xavier Harkonnen) were the heroes of the Jihad. Vorian Atreides, the son of Titan Agamemnon was on the side of the machines, and that is why the feud between the houses started. Harkonnens were the good guys.
@@Junglist619000 To be fair, Vorian Atreides switched sides and became a hero for mankind. Xavier Harkonnen sacrificed his reputation as a war hero by assassinating Iblis Ginjo, who switched sides like Vorian Atreides but became an corrupt politician. This was a while before the conflict ended, however. What really tanked the Harkonnen's reputation is when Xavier's grandson, Abulurd Harkonnen, defied Vorian Atreides at The Battle of Corrin. The situation was complex since the machines had hostages. That's why Abulurd was reluctant to attack. As a result he was branded a coward and a traitor and exiled.
Thank you, I was going to say the same thing. I'm glad I looked through the comments first.
Bro gets those advanced screeners and barely lets the episode finish before dropping the upload 😂… slow down Smokey! Dam!
Why slow down? Lol I don’t want to wait to get an explanation
Love it
Who wants to wait?
That’s kinda the point of getting advanced screeners…
no you slow down, you don't HAVE to watch it.
I just wanted to know how and why both the little kid and the benigeserit suddenly combusted
That Desmond Hart has come back from Arrakis with some sort of power.
I'm guessing she cooked too because they were bonded. Desmond cooked them from the inside out. Not sure how yet, though. Probably has something to do with surviving the sandworm. That's probably also how they became seen gods (the sandworms) on Arakkis.
I am waiting to hear who he really is and how they get rid of him
@@BimRen246 why would you not wanna enjoy his acting for as long as possible? lol I’m hoping he stays a long time!
He said the kid was a sacrifice.
I was thinking the same thing with the kid when I first watched it. My guess is that killing the kid and the sister was good old revenge from the sisters at the start, for revenge of killing of Dorteata at the start of the show. They probably thought killing the kid and the sister would destroy everything but really started it all of it. I think the solider was just there wrong place and time and got some more ptsd.
Great video I liked your takes especially the parts about what you didn’t like. You said something so profound to me the music is a window into what the characters are feeling without saying anything
Travis Fimmel Character Desmond Hart from viewing the trailer. Seem very similar to Caleb in the brilliant Raised by Wolves series, which unfortunately was cancelled after two seasons 😭
Loved that show was so disappointed when it got cancelled.. but yeah his character reminds me exactly of his character from RBW
yes same psycho eyes
Ok
Loved that crazy show
Oh!! I never knew it was cancelled!! Such a good show
Gimme that 'Matrix is a Dune prequel' video just as soon as it is convenient.
It’s mainly due to the blind prophet able to see the future and picked as the chosen one as part of an algorithm. There are a lot of similarities though.
I think one of the MAIN reasons I am watching this Series is because YOU are providing the Breakdowns (making it even more informative, understandable, and entertaining!
Loved pheniox nights “ I’m getting the word, ….Non-“
Travis Fimmel is one of my favorite actors. He was incredible on the History Channel's drama series "Vikings."
He took his character, "Ragnar Lothbrok," and hit the ground running with it. I mean, to go from a pretty boy look, modeling for Calvin Klein to this bad a** warrior & king in Vikings, he literally flipped the script to a whole different level.
Then his next big drama series on HBO's "Raised By Wolves" had me thinking what he would do next?
And he didn't disappoint ...
Travis Fimmel stars in
"DUNE: Prophecy" as
Desmond Hart, and after seeing the 1st episode, it most definitely has me wanting more, and the 2nd episode can't get here fast enough!
Brian Hebert’s work is exemplary. He does an excellent job of offering more content and giving more detail to the complex world of his father. I didn’t know some readers questioned its canon; some people can’t be pleased.
Fell back 2 episodes. But HS always comes thru breaking it down Barney Style for the masses. ❤ it!
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It was different than the movies yes but different isn’t always bad. I enjoyed it.
Desmond Hart. OG Fremen..... cyborg....tlelaxu....face changer..... ? WHo knows. But he can activate poison (maybe a sonic cellular destabilizer) when he touches his temple.... who can do that? ALso.... bene gesserit in the future are trained to resist poison.... we might be learning why. Is it really poision? Lots of mystery is great.
I just realized, Desmond telling the emperor that the spice was stolen, the sister confirming it, and then showing him that it was actually destoryed might call into question the Sisters ability to see truths
I think the poison might have been on the princess’ skin somehow !? She is the only person both Kasha and the kid had direct contact with !
Oooo interesting! There has to be some significance to the pomegranate being maggot infested. It would imply that ynez or her womb are "rotten" in some way. whether this be because ynez herself will become a problem or her actions will ultimately betray her goals (seemingly to control the universe with the BG). I'm guessing it has something to do with her possibly becoming pregnant with an atreides instead of pruwet, thus invalidating vallyas "confirmation" that pruwet will stabilize corrino.
This was Absolutely Glorious, I'm so glad they showed flashbacks of The Machine War!!!
A show about the Butlerian Jihad would have been better in my humble opinion.
@craigs71 That would've been awesome as well 👍
I hated the fact that they use the term "Machine War" instead of the Butlerian Jihad.
Awesome breakdown, as per usual!
My Theory: Hart (Hayt? Coincidence?) is from the Bene Tleilax. Could be a ghola, but also, would be kind of cool if he turned out to be a Face Dancer.
Bro I died at 23:43 when he said the Fremen can ride worms easily with a sl*tty clip of Zendaya 😂
great explanation. Makes me appreciate the films even more.
The Matrix and Dune connection is crazy work because it makes sense
I'm not very smart i watched both Dunes and don't really know wtf was going on lol. I could tell the acting was great and it looked awesome i just couldn't follow exactly what was happening
Your not missing anything weirdos get high on spice and struggle cuddle ...
Hot take ...I don't think anyone likes Dune ...it's shit. ...
@@russelllemieux shit bait comment
@@russelllemieuxno
@@russelllemieuxfor u
Do i need to watch Dunes to do this series or can i start it and catch-up on Dunes later?
Both! 😂
It takes place a long time before the movies
It takes place 10,000 years before the events of Dune. I think it doesn't matter what you watch first.
You'll be a bit confused in regards to the spice which is mined on a planet called Arrakis. Its basically future oil and is used to fuel space flight and in various foods and drugs. Apart from that, you're good to go 👍
Enjoyed this much more on second viewing. I think I'd foolishly gone into it hoping for hour long episodes of a Denis Villeneuve film, which was obviously never going to happen. Those films have arguably the best director, director of photography, composer, VFX artists, production designers, sound department etc. working in cinema today. As well as, of course, a healthy serving of some of the most charismatic and good looking Hollywood stars of recent years, not to mention they're shot in IMAX format for BIG screens. Prophecy is a TV show with a fraction of the time and budget and while HBO have a really solid track record of producing some of the greatest shows of all time, they were never going to be able to match the films in terms of spectacle.
Gave my head a shake before watching a second time and got a lot more out of it. Scenes with the younger characters definitely do feel like Children of Dune or Stargate Atlantis or something though... But I think I can get past that. Looking forward to Mark Addy popping up. I'm just happy to have a weekly HBO show to watch because my life is very empty.
This is not going to be true to the Dune Lore. There were no Fremen on Arrakis 10,000years before Paul Atreides! There was no Spice either, that came later when they found the planet and the Spice which was used before the Bene Gesserit started using it. I do wish they’d stick to the lore much more closely.
Those parts confused me, too.
Paul having a wife that looks like Florence Pew and having her die a virgin is literally the worst thing he ever did in canon.
I have never seen Paul’s wife, but if she looks like her, it must be all that UA-cam money that attracted her 😂😂😂 joking Paul I know he’s on about the film before anyone kicks off
I have never seen Paul’s wife, but if she looks like her, it must be all that UA-cam money that attracted her 😂😂😂 joking Paul I know he’s on about the film before anyone kicks off
If memory serves, Florence is a second cousin to Pepe le.
Penguin bored me, I loved this. I don't mind character building conversations.
As a massive fan of FH's Dune Universe, I am very optimistic. I was afraid this would be a take on BJ & KJA's sisterhood book, but I was positively surprised. There is even a hint at God Emperor. I really hope they keep up this quality. Haven't seen a good series for years.
Desmond is doing prana-bindu burnout short circuit (the prana-bindu training was sort of mentioned in the episode)
I loved the episode, wasn't expecting anything at all :o
This show sure definitely brings Syfy's Children of Dune vibe cinematography-wise, ESPECIALLY the first episode's prologue...🤯
You have captured my heart, fellow Dune-obsessed man. And you have a new subscriber 😍
Good to see Jess Barden getting big roles again
I don’t think Hart killed Pruitt. I think Hart has prescience and knew where and when the boy would die.
You did a lot of reading and research. Well done!
I suspected Keiran as Tula's son as oppose to Desmond .. Travis Fimmel (Desmond) said that this was his favorite episode, he was captivating as always...
i think the dagger used to "kill" de lizard was poisoned
Perhaps the poison was in the knife. Desmond stabbed the lizard and returned in a way that would prevent him from touching it? This first episode was 7.5/10
I thought that too, but it wouldn’t explain how Kasha got burned alive
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I thought the same thing and just posted that. Yup, I feel the same way.
@@billyfarmerii1669 absolutely true.
@billyfarmerii1669 I'm not sure how it works but it was most likely because she was bound to the kid.
I believe the poison on the blade he had was transferred to the little AI lizard and is what poisoned and burnt the kid. I can't explain how the Reverend mother was affected though. Unless she touched it too?
The casle on Wallach IX being consumed by the worm happens on chapterhouse.
Which is another reason I think the orange flecks are referencing the Honored Matres. They are seeing visions well past the God Emperor.
From a DUNE reader I give this show 9,32/10 so far, looking forward to part 2 😃
Eh... a rather precise rating.
@@DavidAnderson-m5c 😁
Excellent vid
It’s been a while since I’ve read the books but from what I remember, spice doesn’t make you better at maths.
The mentats take Sappho Juice for that. And what allows the Space Guild the ability to navigate is not that the spice makes them better at calculating the paths but that they can see the future and so choose the safe path by seeing which one doesn’t collide with anything.
THIS IS NOT DUNE SO THERE IS NO DUNE LORE HERE.
@@The_Reality_Filter were you born yesterday? This is canon for dune from the son’s books. It’s absolutely dune.
@@robtothejuice if it's not written by Frank Herbert IT IS NOT CANON. Ps Brian Herbert is a dogshit writer cosplaying at Duneverse and cashing in on his father's legacy.
@@robtothejuice if it's not written by Frank Herbert it is NOT CANON. Ps Brian Herbert is a terribad writer cashing in on his father's legacy.
@@The_Reality_Filter I wouldn’t say that at all. Does he compare to his fathers legacy? Absolutely not. But that’s also one of the greatest revolutionary writers in the past century imo. Hard to measure against for anybody. But the house books aren’t bad at all. I still think some of the work is quality, just not on the level of his predecessor and that’s completely ok lol.
You said they’re training with shields like when Duncan and Paul practiced but I think you mean Gurney not Duncan
I'm glad I'm not the only one that heard that 😅
Love your content. But I do disagree that the Bene Jesuit plans didn't go the way they wanted. They may not have worked out as they anticipated, but their plan kept them in power until the very end. So their plans absolutely worked and help them maintain a power base for 40,000 years
Gesseret. Not Jesuit. I don't get why so many people call them Bene Jesuits when that's clearly not what their name is.
@@alexp601 Elton John called them Benny and the Jezzerets.
@@DavidAnderson-m5c😂😂😂😂
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If you look really close at Valya's eye during the vision she sees in the embers, the enbers turn into what I think looks like ships. Possibly a thinking machine fleet due to the overwhelming numbers.
"As you know, the Fremen can rise worms easily", shows picture of Zendaya from Challengers 🤣🤣🤣 Paul's Wild boy
When the Bene Gesserit ladies were gathered around , I thought about Acolyte ," The power of one the power of two, the power of many. "
It's the first time I've seen Jodhi May in anything since "Last of the Mohicans". She still looks Great! Great 1st episode
I read "The Battle of Corrin" book. I always thought the charge of cowardice was incorrect. It took much courage to make the decision Abulard Harkonnen made. He should have been charged with gross incompetence, or tactical stupidity. Also the Harkonnens are evil, because while Vorian Atriedes tried to end the fued on multiple occasion, the Harkonnens kept on with it. But that was in the books. We'll see what happens on this show.
The flying lights are not robotic. They operate on suspension fields they house bacteria that give off light.
The club scene kinda killed it for me even being a past techno & house dj myself I seriously doubt this world or universe would have 4/4 drum patterns and synth based sequenced techno tracks. This was really a bad choice introducing that into a scene 🤦🏽♂️
Paul has done his homework on Dune. I love that! Other channels are speculating that Ragnar might be a ghola or a face dancer and talking about the water of life when the sisterhood clearly hasn't taken that step yet -FFS they're still early into prana bindu training.
I hope HBO doesn't take it off the rails. Kasha's death has me concerned that they will.
Ted its great to see you back!! Lookin' sharper that a lego dumb tac
Yes, she said the crips strike the bloods at midnight with her left hand
Huh. And I was thinking Jets v Sharks.
OK algorithm just remember that I want to be on this channel every week on Sunday
I try to give a new show at least 3 episodes, maybe 4 if I’m on the fence. I had high hopes for Prophecy, but I didn’t find myself immediately sucked in. I know I’ll finish the series regardless bc since I’m a dune fan. I came straight to YT after watching, hoping you had a video up 😂. Long way of saying thank you!
When does the spoiler alert ends ? 9:38
I wanna see the war against thinking machines.
It’s the matrix
Terminator
As a casual dune fan I actually didn’t mind the lore and character building in only episode. I thought it was generally easy to understand. Also having recently watched the newer movies I think I see the path they are going g no whether or not it it s book accurate that’s up to u guys for debate . But I always treat it as an adaptation ..which it is .
Hi Pauly
Sheit I knew the series was coming but didn't realize it started tonight. 😮 I had to go and watch the episode before this video. Woot
HBO is becoming some form of its
own cinematic universe but amazing
Desmond could be a face dancer manipulating the emperor